1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, fire away, dude. I want to. I want to 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: get a deeper as we can. I mean, a lot 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: of life has happened since we crossed past the last Yeah, 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: and I feel like we're very aligned in our goals. Yeah, 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: our go forward goals are very much aligned. So yeah's everything, 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: It's all. I was free open season. 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: I was talking to Amber last night and I said, 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: I said, when's the first time I met Canaan and 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: and I think I think it was you and Christy 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: were at an award show and we were like sitting 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: either next to each other or close to each other. 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: Is that right? 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, totally right. I'm trying to remember which one 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: it was. 15 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: It would be. 16 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't the CMTS. It might have been like the 17 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: the CMA's here in town. And then I remember, you're right, 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: we did. 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: Another time early on this is this is kind of embarrassing, 20 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: but we were and it's kind of a vague memory. 21 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: We were somewhere, I think West Coast. We were on 22 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: tour and it was one of those days were just 23 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: bands are in and out, in and out, in and out, 24 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: and for some reason, I was just in a bad mood. 25 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: It was like a poorly run festival, really hot, and 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: I remember seeing you and you were like coming off 27 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: the stage and you're really mad. 28 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: And then I. 29 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: Like, you like threw a drumk you like threw a 30 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: tomb or something a drum And I remember feeling so good. 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: I was like, oh good, somebody else has got the 32 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: same movie, dude. 33 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: How many of those shows have we played where it 34 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: was just a total, you know, train wreck? 35 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: You know those thrown goes situations can be so so 36 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: frustrating man, And no, that doesn't surprise me. I will say, 37 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: I look back at there are definite moments in my 38 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: career where I look back and I'm like, I was 39 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: as much as as much fun as I had in 40 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: some of those peak moments, like when I had a 41 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: hit on the radio and I was out there in 42 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: front of big, big crowds. All the rush of that 43 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: was exciting and fun. But when I look back on it, like, 44 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: the character that I'm looking at, the person that I'm 45 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: looking at from this side, is so different than who 46 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: I am now like, And I think that what you 47 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: just said that story is a perfect example of I 48 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: was missing it. I was I was just kind of 49 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: missing it, missing the point of it all, you know 50 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: what I mean. I just wanted everything to be perfect 51 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: and for what for me to make a bigger name 52 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: for myself so that everyone thought I had my stuff together, 53 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, Like, I don't know, man, that's just as 54 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: a reminder to me. It's funny because I'm thankful now 55 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: I can laugh at that and I'm not mad at 56 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: myself anymore. But I went through a season of life 57 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: where I was like, really just discouraged at how I 58 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: was kind of handling my business and handling myself. 59 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: You know, yes, I do. I know, man, I lived it, 60 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: and I saw it in you and you probably saw 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: it in me. But that's the rat race that we 62 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: were living, you know, that was the hamster wheel we 63 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: were on. And if you think about like what the 64 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: things we saw and how the beautiful people in the 65 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: incredible country, and it's like we weren't really even enjoying 66 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: any of that at some level truly. 67 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: I know, dude, as much as I saw, I feel 68 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: like it's all a blur. 69 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: It's all a blur, you know. Yeah, So what was 70 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: the shift for you? How are you? How are you 71 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: sitting here now with a new perspective? 72 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: Kids? Oh? Yeah, you know, we had kids, and that 73 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: literally changed the game for me. Plus I walked away 74 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: well as let me rewind a little bit. I got 75 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: to the point where I was so lost as an artist. 76 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: After we had Lovey like that it was a hit, 77 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: and then we followed it up with a song called 78 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: Hole in a Bottle and it was like twenty three 79 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: and it was just chugging along, you know, running out 80 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: of gas. It felt like it wasn't going to make 81 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: it all the way and I was frustrated that, you know, 82 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: we couldn't do two in a row. Yeah, and I 83 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: wanted that momentum. And I was looking left and right 84 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: at everyone else and what they had going, and I 85 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: was like, why is my you know, why is this 86 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: not happening? Meanwhile, you got you know, a bunch of 87 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: people in your ear, you know about you know help. 88 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: You know, decision making wasn't just from my gut or 89 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: my prayer, you know, time with God. It was a 90 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: bunch of advice from more than just me. You know 91 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of cooks in the kitchen. 92 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: And I felt lost in that process and I got lost. 93 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: So I actually walked away from it as far as 94 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: like the record deal situation. I had a talk with 95 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: the CEO of the record label, Mike Dungan, who was 96 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: an awesome dude, and we hit it off really good. 97 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: But I just went into him and I told him 98 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: how I felt, and I just laid it all out there. 99 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even know what I want 100 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: to do anymore. To be honest with you, man, I 101 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: don't know what I have to say as an artist. 102 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm completely I need to go find myself. Can you 103 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: let me out of this deal? He was he understood, 104 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: he's a he's an artist first, kind of label execut 105 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: in the first place. So like that was to my 106 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: advantage that he understood where I was coming from and 107 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: he and he supported that, you know, me going to 108 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: find myself again. So I walked away from it and 109 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: I shelved a really good situation because I was being 110 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: impatient and ungrateful. I lost sight. You know, that was 111 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: a recipe for like, okay, well now what you know, 112 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: Like now I'm totally yeah, rude here, I've got no team, 113 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: I got no go forward songs. I don't know what 114 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: I want to have to say or who's going to 115 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: help me say it. So that was a time of 116 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: just shit like kind of reflecting, and. 117 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: So what years this happening. This is twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, yeah, yeah, yeah, 118 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: that's probably the same year I saw you at that festival. 119 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: Probably was, dude, Probably was. And I took a minute 120 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: and I was hanging out with Tyler Hubbard. He was 121 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, and we were working out 122 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: and he started telling me that he was about to 123 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: start a new venture, a publishing venture and maybe a 124 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: record label at the same time. And I was like, oh, 125 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: that's interesting, that could be cool. And so honestly, that 126 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: just kind of like came about through it just sort 127 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: of just coming to the table naturally, through us hanging 128 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: out in conversations about what he wanted to do next 129 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: in his career, the kind of the team and structure 130 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: he wanted to build. And I ended up fitting into 131 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: that equation. And so I signed a record deal with 132 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: him and b K under the name Your Records, and 133 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: a publishing deal as well. And so this was twenty nineteen, 134 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: and at this time, Granger, I was like not even sure. 135 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I like I told you, I was lost 136 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: as an artist, So I didn't know what I was 137 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: going to do next in that regard, But I still 138 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: loved writing songs, and so I focused a little bit 139 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: more on that than I had been in the past. 140 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of double down as a songwriter 141 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: and go hard in the pain on that front, and 142 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: so I did that whole right, you know, four times, yeah, 143 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: sometimes five times a week. And I did that for 144 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: about two years and not really even thinking about what's 145 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: next for me as an artist. And that was a 146 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: transitional phase where it was a little bit tough at first, 147 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: because you know, you go at one speed and you're 148 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of just coasting for a minute, 149 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: and then everything it felt like the rug was pulled 150 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: out a little bit and I had to had to 151 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: down shift and go back to square one and kind 152 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: of find my bearings again. And what was beautiful about 153 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: the partnership there with Tyler and BK was it I'd 154 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: known those guys for enough time that they knew I 155 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: was lost, you know, and they were able to kind 156 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: of like speak in to me and help me get 157 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: back on track a little bit. So it was a 158 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: transitional season. And then meanwhile, my wife gets pregnant, and 159 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: this is you know, going on in the background too. 160 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: All the same time, and our daughter, Virginia was born 161 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: on Halloween of twenty nineteen, so shortly after I started 162 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: working with those guys, we had our first child. And 163 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: I was starting at that point to be like, Okay, 164 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I've got some new direction 165 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: as far as where I want to go next musically, 166 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: and I started to put a little tour together for 167 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: the January JA. I think we're going to do some 168 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: late Jamesnuary dates in twenty twenty. So two weekends into 169 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: this club tour thing, COVID hit and then that couldn't 170 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: be on the road anymore. And so it was another 171 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: bit of a rug pulled out from under me. And 172 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: I'm starting to see a theme here actually, as we're 173 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: talking that God has intervened multiple times on my path 174 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: in the form of pulling the rug out, and not 175 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: as I don't say that as a victim. I say 176 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: that with gratitude, honestly, because I've never been happier than 177 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: I am. 178 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: Now, well, let me say right there that there's an 179 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: interview that you did, and there's a quote that you 180 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: have that says, around the same time you're talking about 181 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: you said, I feel like I had come home and 182 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: God knew it. My perspective needed shifting. 183 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: Yeah it did, dude, it really did. I didn't know it, 184 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: but he did. And sometimes he you know, in the 185 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: Bible he talks through a donkey at one point, is 186 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: it Byalem as a donkey? 187 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: He does a bush too, and a bush and a witch. Yeah. Yeah, 188 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: wow crazy. 189 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: So I felt like you know, I have, I have 190 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: felt redirected. And then to speed up the story a 191 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: little bit, COVID hit came off the road for a 192 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: good long season. Got to spend real quality time at home. Yeah, 193 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: for the first time, you know, really, because Christy and 194 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: I got married and I went on radio tour literally 195 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: a week after we got married in twenty fourteen, so 196 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: you know with that site. 197 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 198 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: Anyhow, then being home and having a new being, a 199 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: new dad, all of that at the same time was 200 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: exactly what my heart needed and exactly where what my 201 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: faith needed because all the tearing that happens, you know, 202 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: even as a I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you, bro, 203 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: I have moments every single day where I fall apart. 204 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: So and yeah, I know you know what I'm talking. Yeah, 205 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: I'm I yell at the kids, and I hate myself 206 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: for it, but I'll get so short with them because 207 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: I've got other things I need to get done. The 208 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: chaos is keeping me from getting done. But all of 209 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: that's so good for me, for a guy like me, 210 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: It's like and God's just like being so gracious to 211 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: me along this path of you know, me having to 212 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: this this great awakening that's happened and is happening still 213 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: for me. And I don't know what what the point 214 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: is other than on a on a you know, on 215 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: the level of being dad and being Christie's husband, like 216 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: on that level the things that matter most. I'm being 217 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: tweaked in all the right ways. I think God's tightening 218 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: what needs tightened and tearing off what needs tear tearing 219 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: and and and as a result of that, I'm also 220 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: feeling more fulfilled creatively. I'm getting to open myself up 221 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: and what I bring to the table now comes comes 222 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: from you know, a different side perspective that is on 223 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: the other side of not maturity, but sort of. I mean, 224 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: I guess, right, So that was the shift, really, man, 225 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: that was a many It took a few steps, right, 226 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: and even the record deal I ended up signing with 227 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: with the with the boys that got canned when they 228 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: called it quits as a duo, they closed up shop 229 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: on the record deal. And that was another like rug 230 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: pulled moment that I needed to get me to hear 231 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: for this album that I was put out even to 232 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: have happened, you know, it wouldn't have happened had I, 233 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: you know. And I was actually halfway down the road 234 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: cutting the second album with them for in some the 235 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: same songs that are on this album, we're already underway, 236 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: but we re recorded them obviously. 237 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: And this is independent. This record's independent, totally independent. Yeah, 238 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: how did you? How'd you fund it? I mean it 239 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 2: sounds it sounds expensive. 240 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of It is expensive to record music, 241 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: as you know, but it was a partnership with I got. 242 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: I got fifteen thousand dollars. Actually I got a twenty 243 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: thousand dollars check from a camper company. I use we 244 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: have a camper trailer. 245 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: I saw that on your Instagram. It looks awesome. I 246 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 2: want to talk to you about that thing because that, Yeah, 247 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: for sure, that looks like goody. 248 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: It's called Modern Buggy. That's the brand, and they have 249 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: all kinds of different models. And sizes and things, but 250 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: the one we had fits in my garage. It's super 251 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: easy to just hook up and go. But I had 252 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: bought one from from the guy who owns the company. 253 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: We crossed paths somehow. He was host in like a 254 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: songwriter night in Michigan, and I got asked to do 255 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: it and we hit it off, and he ended up 256 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: telling me, you know, he had these cool buggies, and 257 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, sweet, I might want to get one. 258 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: I ended up getting one. He gave me a great 259 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: deal on it, and then you know, I made some 260 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: posts about it because I really love it, and we 261 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: used a lot, and he just decided, you know, let's 262 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: let's try to collaborate on that front, and you know, 263 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: let's help each other out. You advertise the buggy, and 264 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: I'll give you some money to do that. So he 265 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: gave me twenty thousand dollars last year. Yeah, in April 266 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: of last year, and three two weeks later, we were 267 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: in the studio recording the album. With that money. It's 268 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: I spent fifteen thousand dollars for the entire project at 269 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: the recording of the project, and I spent the other 270 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: five thousand on a videographer to help with some assets 271 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: for socials. So all in it was twenty thousand dollars 272 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: to get it to where it is now. 273 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: And that's for people listening. That's still very difficult to 274 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: be within twenty. 275 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: That's dirt cheap. 276 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: That is dirty crazy. I mean a normal record where 277 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: you say one hundred thousand, like a normal normal record 278 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: with the record label just to record it. 279 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: And paying a producer fee and all that other stuff 280 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: that Anthony Olympia, who produced my record, decided he didn't 281 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: need a producer fee. We just did a split the 282 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: master situation, and I'm so grateful for that. So you 283 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: can get creative these days, you know, and get a 284 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: piecemeal a record together the way that you have, you know, 285 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: the way that you can afford. And that's what we did. 286 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: There are people that will charge twenty five hundred dollars 287 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: just to mix a song, and you you have eleven 288 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: songs on this record. That's to put it in that 289 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: in perspective. 290 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, So I've got I mean, this is the 291 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 4: this is the result of very kind, very talented humans 292 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 4: who gave their incredible gifts to this project for a very. 293 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: Insanely low price. You know. I don't know that I 294 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: could replicate it again necessarily because they're worth a lot 295 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: more than that. But yeah, I'm really proud of of 296 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: where we came in. 297 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you should be, man, I mean, sonically, the thing 298 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: is solid. I've gotten to listen to it several times now, probably, 299 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: like if I was going to decide a favorite, probably 300 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: every day, Joe, I think, I think I'm going there, 301 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: or pay It Forward or in Time with You. Probably 302 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: I love so eleven songs, did you know? Let me 303 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: ask you this could there's no way you could know 304 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: this answer, but let me just me ask you anyway, 305 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: eleven songs. How many of the eleven do you think 306 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: have some kind of faith element in the song itself, 307 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: in the lyrics? I know the answer. I'm just asking 308 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: probably half of them. 309 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd say a majority of them. 310 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: Ten ten songs have and I wow, yeah, I didn't 311 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: know that. The only one is in Time with You 312 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: is the only one that does it, and that's you know, 313 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: it's a love song. But every other one, and I'm counting, 314 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: I'm counting if it the word angel, the word prayer, 315 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 2: the word preacher. You know, I'm adding I'm make so 316 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: your record is you're definitely thinking through things and there's 317 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: something inside of you that that speaks in your songwriting, 318 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: in your performing, whether you even know it or not. 319 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: I think it's just that's the foundation you're on. You 320 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 2: you come from this foundation. So it's I guess I 321 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: should say it's like impossible for you to write an 322 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: album and not your faith not be prevalent in it. 323 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: Praise God for that, dude. Honestly, there's you know, we're 324 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: set apart as believers, That's what That's what the word 325 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: teaches us, that we're set apart, right, and then we're 326 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: called out out of the world, We're called out of 327 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: darkness and delight. 328 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 2: That's the what the word holy means. Holy means set apart, 329 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: which is which is God's overarching attribute is his holiness. 330 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: It's often forgotten because people go, well, God, his greatest 331 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 2: attribute is love, No, not necessarily love is a is 332 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: an outpouring of his holiness. He's loving because he's holy. 333 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: Set apart, He's we are not like him. He is. 334 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 2: He is set apart from the universe, and so we're 335 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: made in his image, but almost like a shadow is 336 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: in the image of me or you, the shadow is 337 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 2: made in our image, but it is not like us. 338 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: It mimics, it mimics our appearance, or like a like 339 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 2: the George Washington or nutsbetic like the uh, the Abraham 340 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: Lincoln Memorial in Washington in DC mimics his appearance of Lincoln, 341 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: but it's not like him. He is holy, and so 342 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: the Bible says we should be holly too. And now 343 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,239 Speaker 2: word is like, uh, it's almost looked down upon, like 344 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: we can't achieve it, or like the word saint for instance, 345 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: that that word is holy one. That's what the word 346 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: saint means. 347 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. 348 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: You know, in country music we think a lot of 349 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: times was like you're like, I'm not a saint like 350 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 2: my wife. Well, we're called to be saints. In fact, 351 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: we're referred to as Christians as saints, meaning to your 352 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: point set. 353 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: Apart, that's wild, dude. 354 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 2: You know, at some point in our lives, things got 355 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: a lot easier at gee dot com and grangerspent dot 356 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: com when me and my two brothers switched over to 357 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: Shopify and let them handle the checkout portion of our website. 358 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: I know that kind of sounds complicated, but if you're 359 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: wanting to start a business or start some kind of 360 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: e commerce marketing company, you need to think about Shopify 361 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 2: to handle all your checkout needs like so many thous 362 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: thousands of other companies have done across the world. 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It's super easy and it's a 382 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: good gift. I've been doing this for many years now. 383 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 2: It's a good gift to someone that is impossible to 384 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: buy for and you don't know what to get them. 385 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: Once again, go to cameo dot com slash granger Smith. 386 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: I got to tell you all about this and have 387 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 2: you heard about Yegefest. It's happening this year May ninth 388 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 2: and tenth in Georgetown, Texas at the EEE Farm, So 389 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: you can come hang out with us. Me, my brothers, 390 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: my family will all be there. We've got a truck 391 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 2: show happening. We've got a mud bog competition, kind of 392 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: like we did last year, but the new edition this 393 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 2: year is a concert by me and my band and 394 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: my old crew. This is not a tour, This is 395 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: not me getting back into music. This is one time 396 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: every year we hope to do a concert for my 397 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: friends and family, especially Maverick who's never seen me play 398 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: live before. So come out have a meal with me 399 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 2: and my family. On Friday night. I'm gonna give a 400 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: little devotional from the Bible, maybe play an acoustic song 401 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: or two. This is really a once in a lifetime experience, 402 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 2: and if you want to find out more, go to 403 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 2: eeye dot com. 404 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: There's a part of me that can't run, and there's 405 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: I think once you're and I can talk about my brothers, 406 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: my older brothers, because they've they've had a journey with 407 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: their faith. They've had they've had ups and downs, They've 408 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: lived a hard life. We all dealt with loss, you 409 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: know when we were kids, and they took it really hard. 410 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: And did you not? 411 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: I did? 412 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: Uh? You were younger? Is that what you're trying to say? 413 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: I was. I was eleven and they were fifteen, you know, 414 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: so there was a difference there. But also there's like 415 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: a there's like a foundation, and back to that foundation 416 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: right there, I can look back at our the way 417 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: I was raised, uh speak, you know, uh spiritually speaking, 418 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: and point out a bunch of things that nowadays I 419 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: was like, man, I was misguided, or gosh that was 420 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: controlling or this, you know, and point to a lot 421 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: of things that were not great and and damaging honestly 422 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: in some of the upbringing, the faith practices and the 423 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: church as a whole, at different times, but I was. 424 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: I was the foundation. You can't replace the value that 425 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: that that that now has in my adult life. And 426 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for it. Even though it wasn't perfect, 427 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: Like the people who are trying to lead me and 428 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: my parents who you know brought me up this way 429 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: were doing their best through all the imperfections that foundation 430 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: for it to stand still, they did something right. And 431 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: the faith is the faith has been tested and proven 432 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: to be authentic over time. And what you're saying by 433 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: the fact that there's I don't even know it and 434 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: it's coming out, that's just proof that that foundation was 435 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: real and that what what I believe and what I've 436 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: proclaimed to believe from a from the age of a 437 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: child till now like has been proven authentic because I 438 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't talk about it otherwise it wouldn't come out in 439 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: my It wouldn't come from my heart if it wasn't 440 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: in there, you know. So my brothers, I want them 441 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: to get to that point where they can celebrate the 442 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: imperfections from the past and there in that spiritual upbringing, 443 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: because they're more damaged by it than it's almost they 444 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: haven't gotten to that point where they were able to 445 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: to to accept the imperfections for what they were and 446 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: and and still be left with at the end what 447 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: they're holding their hands, a true, honest faith that comes 448 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: from the heart. So that's kind of like, I don't 449 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: even know what got me talking about them. 450 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: Do you know? Do you know the can you trace 451 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: back the root of your brothers? You lost your brother 452 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 2: when he was sixteen, you were eleven, right, car accident? Right, 453 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: tell me walk me through the community in the church. 454 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: And also you know what went wrong? What did the 455 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: church do wrong that now your brothers are where they 456 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: are now? 457 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: Great questions. The community was very much supportive through all 458 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: of it. We had a lot of close friends. We 459 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: had people who who cared deeply for us. That was 460 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: never a question. We never felt alone in that regard, right, 461 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was going through through loss alone, 462 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: which it was a huge blessing. 463 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: Yes, the I think I. 464 00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: Think honestly, man, like you know, probably you've had is 465 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: that you can relate to, or or that you've been 466 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: through on your own. In regards to sometimes there's misguided 467 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: or there's there's a misuse of power sometimes and in 468 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: any organization and a church isn't you know, in Layman's terms, 469 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: is an organization to a degree, right. 470 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 2: So exacted by humans. Yeah yeah, yeah, so. 471 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: I think that there were just some say one thing, 472 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: but behind closed doors do another kind of like examples 473 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: that made them think that it was kind of a joke, 474 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, or that this person's not you know, they're 475 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: not living the walk that they're talking. You know. 476 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: So what kind of church was it? 477 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: You know, it was a non denominational you know, spirit 478 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: filled you know, we spoke in tongues and we were 479 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: rolling on the ground, banners up and down the aisles. 480 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: Man, you know that's not non denominational. 481 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a Pentecostal. 482 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. See what happens is churches that non denominational churches 483 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:21,239 Speaker 2: are either Baptist or Assembly of God. But they and 484 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: you'll know by well how are they, how are they baptizing, 485 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: and how are they receiving the Holy Spirit? You know, 486 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: you could tell quickly, oh, I see this is actually 487 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 2: an Assembly of God church, or I see this is 488 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: actually they just took the name off the sign. 489 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. It definitely had Assembly of God roots because 490 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: we would I mean, look, I'm not throwing you don't 491 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: throw the baby out with the bathwater. They'll say, No, 492 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: I won't. I won't do that either with my upbringing. No, 493 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: I believe in I believe in the feeling of the 494 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: Holy Spirit the moment you profess your faith, at the 495 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And I believe in the 496 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: gifts of the Holy Spirit. 497 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 2: But I think that the the. 498 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: Intentional or not. Once you mix humanity with the Holy Spirit, 499 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: there can be there can be some ugly misguided stuff, 500 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: and you can start chasing after the gifts of the 501 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: Spirit more than you're chasing after pleasing God in your 502 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: real life. And so that's where the damage was the most, 503 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: Like this holy roller kind of like speak but really 504 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: that couldn't you know, being far from that and their 505 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: actual how they're treating people, their outlook of you know, 506 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: the world, and and and and so it was just, 507 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, it just didn't add up. 508 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: So are you saying, are you saying that you know this, 509 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: this huge tragedy happens in your family and that the 510 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: church as loving and supportive as they were. There's also 511 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: this element of well, seek him harder, you know, seek 512 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: God harder. You guys, you know you're missing the Holy 513 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: Spirit needs to pour himself out on you, so work 514 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: harder to seek him. That's kind of what you're saying, 515 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: go bingo. And so your brother your brothers end up 516 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: just saying I don't want to work hard anymore. Nothing's happening. 517 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent, dude. Yeah, that's I've never 518 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: seen it that that uh, that profoundly simple. But I 519 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: think that you're right. I think that there was a 520 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: sense of like, you can if you pray hard enough 521 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: or consistently enough, you can get you can feel a deeper, 522 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: you can get closer, you can have a more uh 523 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, a bigger Holy Spirit encounter, you know, and 524 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: or or you can this person will be healed from cancer, 525 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: damn it if you pray hard. 526 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 2: Enough, you know. Yeah, And sometimes sometimes you just need 527 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: them to say. 528 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Man. 529 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 2: Let me just sit with you. Yeah, I'm so sorry. 530 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: We don't have to say anything. It's not always about 531 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: let's work harder and you're going to be healed, you know. 532 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: Jesus Jesus didn't do that. Sometimes Jesus would just sit 533 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: and listen or ask questions, and really good questions. True, 534 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: how are your brothers today. 535 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: They're you know, they're amazing people like they have. They 536 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: have a lot of gifts as far as what they 537 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: could what they offer in a room. They can light 538 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: up a room. They can really connect with people and 539 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: make people feel like they're listening. You know that they care, 540 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, And those are qualities that I think are 541 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: super admirable about them both. But there's a there's a 542 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: fuse that's very short, and there's and I think it's 543 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: a lot of because I think it's a I think 544 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: it's the fuse is made out of bitterness and some 545 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: anger and some hatred, and that when it gets lit, 546 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's not fun to watch, like just uh, 547 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: it's just I feel like they're they're not happy, you know. 548 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: I think I think they're not. I don't think they 549 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: love themselves. I think they have a hard time believe 550 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: in Jesus still loves them. 551 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: Does two those two things work backwards. That what you 552 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 2: just said, When you realize Jesus loves you, then you 553 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: could truly know yourself. Then you could truly you could 554 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: truly rest in who you are because he has your identity, 555 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: not you. 556 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: And how how like, how how how simple and and 557 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: how powerful is that Jesus loves you, like like it 558 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: looks like a bumper sticker or it feels like a 559 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: preschool uh song. But it's not any more difficult. It's 560 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: not supposed to be any more difficult than that statement. 561 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus was God. 562 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: So loved the world, you know, And that's really the 563 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: pullball of wax. You're right, it's all right, like our contentment, 564 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: our purpose, our identity, everything down here hinges on. Do 565 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: we know that and do we accept that? 566 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, when I was in the darkest place in 567 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: my life and rock bottom, and when the Lord brought 568 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: me out of that, it was in a realization that 569 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: He loves me when I least deserved to be loved, 570 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: or when I was the most unlovable, you know, Romans 571 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 2: five eight, while we were still sinners, God shows his 572 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: love for us. How while we were still sinners, Christ 573 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: died for us when we were unlovable. And when that 574 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 2: reality grabs you, and I've heard so many people it 575 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 2: sounds like it's similar to your testimony too. When that 576 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: reality finally wraps you up, you say, why would he 577 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 2: forgive me? Why would he pursue me? Why would he 578 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: give Why would he give me an an inheritance to 579 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: the kingdom. Oh, because he loves me beyond what I 580 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: could possibly understand. And it's usually that's the thing, like, 581 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: that's what that's what wakes people up and they go, oh, 582 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: my God. Then from there then they want to be obedient. 583 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 2: Then they want to read their Bibles. Then they want 584 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: to join a local body of believers and celebrate and tell. 585 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 2: Then they want to evangelize and tell other people about it. 586 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 2: It comes from being loved. That's the beginning of it. 587 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: And so so many times people try to do it 588 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: backwards and they go, man, I need a first, I 589 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: need to learn how to love myself. And once I 590 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: learn how to love myself, then I'll then I'll really 591 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 2: get into the church thing. And and the way the 592 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: Bible speaks, it's like, you can't love yourself, bro, and 593 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 2: until you know who he is. You can't even know 594 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 2: yourself until you know who he is, and then everything changes. 595 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 2: That sounds like the story of your brothers. I think 596 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 2: it is, man, And it sounds like what the conversion 597 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: you made from the old days to you're a different 598 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: person man than what. 599 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: You used to be. 600 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: So I yes, but I'm talking about you you're a 601 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 2: different person. Something happened with you. Man. You say it's kids, 602 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 2: the Lord Jesus kids. 603 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's I think he still got a 604 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: long way to go. But I'm very grateful to have 605 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: more purpose, or at least be aware that there's more 606 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: purpose than just how big is my music career gonna be? 607 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 2: You know, well, let's let's get to that. Let me 608 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 2: tell you these let me tell you these lyrics here. 609 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 2: You wrote these in the grip of changing winds and 610 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 2: the hands of open waters, the shadow of the moon 611 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 2: and the rising tide. It conjures heaven. Hear my prayer, 612 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 2: lest the will of God desert me. You didn't bring 613 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 2: me all this way for Baron Shules to show me 614 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 2: no mercy. You believe that. 615 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: I still every day believe it. I am on the 616 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: journey still. And that's why that song, every time I 617 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: hear it, it helps me. It helps me remember I'm 618 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 1: gonna feel tossed, I'm gonna feel lost, I'm gonna feel 619 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: like I'm never gonna I'm always gonna feel like will 620 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: I ever get there? 621 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 2: You know what you said three times? You realize what 622 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 2: you said three times in a row. Feel the problem 623 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 2: is feel. I'm gonna feel lost, I'm gonna feel like 624 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: he's abandoned me. I'm gonna feel like the tides are changing. 625 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 2: I'm gonna feel feel, feel, And so we take what 626 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 2: we feel and we put that under the accountability of 627 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: what we know, what we know he is doing. Paul 628 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: says in Philippians One that he who began a good 629 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 2: work in you will bring it to completion. Let's go 630 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 2: in the midst of all that. You're gonna feel tired, 631 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: You're gonna feel lost, You're gonna feel like your faith 632 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 2: is failing. You're gonna feel like you're a bad father 633 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: and a bad husband and a failed musician in your 634 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: career is tanking. You're gonna feel feel feel. We see 635 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 2: this in the Psalms all the time. It's great to 636 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 2: go see King David and what he writes in the 637 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 2: songs of it, he feels, feels, feels, and then he knows. 638 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 2: There's the accountability. But I know I know what you're doing, Lord, 639 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 2: and you wrote it in your song. You didn't bring 640 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 2: me all this way for Baron Scholes to show me 641 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 2: no mercy. The Lord didn't bring you all this way. 642 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 2: Canaan through all this through tragedy in your life. Your 643 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 2: parents didn't make it that, they didn't make it through this. 644 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: It was no, they're not together. What you mean No? Yeah, no, 645 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: the they get divorced. 646 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. 647 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 2: The Lord didn't bring you through all of this so 648 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 2: that at the very end he can go, oh o Cane, 649 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 2: you didn't make it. I'm so sorry, buddy. Now he's 650 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 2: working all of this, All of this pain has a 651 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 2: has a purpose. Paul says that this light, momentary affliction 652 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 2: is producing an eternal weight of glory. So all this 653 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 2: is working for us. And he didn't bring you all 654 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 2: this way for Baron Schulz to show you no mercy. 655 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 2: That's that is an amazing thought, because what you've been through, brother, 656 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 2: is is let me see it this way. It's impossible. 657 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 2: You can't do it. You won't make it on your own. 658 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 2: So you rest in him. You rest in him who 659 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 2: has a plan that that turn, that will be working 660 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 2: all things for good, it for those who love him. 661 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 2: That's an incredible promise, man. 662 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: I believe it. Thank you for that reminder, man, It's huge. 663 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: I love you, buddy, Thank. 664 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 2: You, man. I need to hear it. I'm sorry to 665 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 2: take us to this take us to this level of 666 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 2: we're just inviting everybody into a conversation between us right now. 667 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,439 Speaker 2: I do think there's more to say about about your career. 668 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. This is another another thinker here. 669 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: Do you think the Lord wants you to have a 670 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: successful music career? It's not a trick question, that's not 671 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 2: like a gotcha question. Do you think the Lord wants 672 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 2: you to have a successful music career? 673 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I I know the Lord wants me 674 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: to know him. 675 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 2: Boom, I know that. Boom. So when you know that, 676 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 2: the purpose of you knowing him, really, the Bible says, 677 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 2: is so that he is glorified. But it's not like 678 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 2: some cosmic narcissism, you know, like's not He's not up been, 679 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 2: heaven going. I want you to know me so that 680 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 2: I'm I get the glory. Caanan like like he like 681 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 2: he need, He doesn't need anything. In fact, he is 682 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 2: He's perfectly complete the way he is, the Triune God 683 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 2: is perfectly complete. He doesn't need you or me. He 684 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 2: doesn't need my evangelism or your music or anything. But 685 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 2: because he created you and here it is because he 686 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: loves you. He wants you to glorify him. And here's 687 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 2: the illustration to that. It's like, imagine a museum, incredible museum, 688 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 2: and in that museum, through all the displays, there's this 689 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 2: one painting that's mind totally dynamic, it's incredible painting, and 690 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 2: it's sitting there on this display. And here you come 691 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 2: and I come. We come walking in there, and we're 692 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 2: on our phones looking down walking through this museum, going 693 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 2: by this display, and we're looking down on our phones 694 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 2: just like mindlessly scrolling something. And if the painting in 695 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 2: that moment, if the painting could talk, it would say, Canaan, 696 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 2: look to me, look up, look to me. Not because 697 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 2: I need you to look at me, not because it 698 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 2: makes me feel better if you look at me, but 699 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 2: because if you look at me, this will change your 700 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 2: life because you will get so much joy, giving me glory. Yeah, 701 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 2: and that's that's why God says, canaan, know me, know me. 702 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 2: And then if you have a successful music career, awesome. 703 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 2: If you don't and he's leading you somewhere else, awesome, right, 704 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 2: But at some level, as long as the bills are paid, 705 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 2: as long as you're taking care of your wife and kids, 706 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,359 Speaker 2: then then and giving him the praise, then you will 707 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 2: feel joy, you will feel contentment in that. It's crazy, right. 708 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I can testify to that because I'm only 709 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm only there now for the first time where I'm 710 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: I have a career. My career is music, right, but 711 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm not defined by it for the first time. And 712 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: that's okay, It's it's beautiful that I'm not. I'm I've 713 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: accepted that. And you know, if I am open to 714 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: whatever he has because I want to know him and 715 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: I want my family to know him. I want us 716 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 1: to have I want us to experience God to the fullest. 717 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: That's my goal in life. So ammers whatever he's got 718 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: planned on, sign me up. 719 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 2: And by the way, on top of all that, you're 720 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 2: also incredibly talented that the Lord has gifted you with 721 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 2: incredible that this album is amazing. Uh And so you know, 722 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 2: we can't say any of that without also saying the 723 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 2: Lord has definitely gifted you as an entertainer, as a writer, 724 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 2: as a singer, performer, guitar player, all the above. But 725 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 2: that also doesn't necessarily mean because of that you will 726 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 2: equally have success in it, just like all your peers. Yeah, 727 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 2: so who knows. I mean, I love. I love that. 728 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 2: That's your answer. So we you mentioned earlier that we 729 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,720 Speaker 2: had this mutual friend nugget. I call him Chris Clifton. 730 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 2: That's right. And I said, dude, I said, I'm going 731 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 2: to have a conversation with Canaan today. I thought you'd 732 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 2: want to know. And he was like, oh, it's amazing. 733 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 2: And then he sends me this text and he says, 734 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 2: here's some things that you might not know about him. 735 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,919 Speaker 2: He cooks spaghetti three nights a week. What's true? What's 736 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 2: up that? 737 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: That's hilarious, dude, that is true. 738 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:50,919 Speaker 3: It is true. 739 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 1: We made it last night. 740 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 2: Actually, that's good. All right? What about this one? He 741 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 2: said he once pushed a terrified girl down a slide 742 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 2: on National Time. Oh god, what does that mean? What 743 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 2: does that mean? 744 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 3: I was on the Amazing Race that TV show, all right, 745 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 3: and the girl who was my partner I was dating 746 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 3: at the time, and we uh got to this. 747 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: The challenge was to just literally go down a water slide. 748 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: It was a big water slide, but it was still 749 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: just a water slide. All you had to do was 750 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: go down it. 751 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 2: And she was so. 752 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: Terrified that she sat up there for forty five minutes. 753 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: At the top and I was trying to peel her 754 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: hands from the bar so I could push her down 755 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: the slide and go get our million dollars. That's what 756 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: he's talking That's what he's talking about. 757 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 2: I remember when he first said that, I didn't know 758 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 2: what he was talking about. Now I remember that moment. 759 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 2: You know what else he said though he said this, 760 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,800 Speaker 2: Chris said, I will say he is one of the 761 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 2: kindest and most thoughtful dudes that I know. He's always 762 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 2: reaching out to his friends to check on them to 763 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 2: see how things are going. I know that's random, but 764 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,919 Speaker 2: he's really good at that. And I agree, man, Kana, 765 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 2: that's you, and that's the Lord working in you. That's 766 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,879 Speaker 2: not the same guy that that what that was throwing 767 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 2: the drums at the music festival on the West Coast 768 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 2: that day. The Lord has softened you, man, and uh god, 769 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 2: it's it's beautiful, man, It's beautiful to see what the 770 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,320 Speaker 2: Lord is doing with you. 771 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: Appreciate that very much. Yeah, like you said first, I 772 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: can't take the credit for that. That's that is Jesus 773 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: doing his thing, man. But it's really cool when people 774 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,919 Speaker 1: feel the effects of what he's doing, you know, because 775 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: the biggest our biggest responsibility is to try to love others. Right, 776 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: that was the great commission. 777 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,760 Speaker 2: That's right. So that's right. I love hearing. 778 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: Bro. 779 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 2: I love the record. I love all the songs. I 780 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 2: love that it's independent. I love that you made it 781 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 2: for an amazing fifteen thousand dollars. I still don't really 782 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 2: know how. 783 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 4: You did that. 784 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 2: But most importantly, I love that the Lord is drawing 785 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 2: you and changing you and redirecting your thoughts and your passions. 786 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I could definitely speak to that, that the 787 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 2: Lord starts rearranging desires and changing passions. And at one time, 788 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 2: at one time, you and I both were you know, 789 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 2: our whole world revolved around let's make the single work. 790 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah? And then when the single works, I mean, 791 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,399 Speaker 2: the very next thought you have is time for time 792 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 2: to do it again on the next single. And that 793 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 2: never ends. 794 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: No, And how can you be happy doing it like that? 795 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 2: I possible? 796 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't. 797 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 2: I mean, like, what would what would make us happy? 798 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 2: Five number ones? 799 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: It? 800 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 2: How about nine? Ten? 801 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:04,800 Speaker 1: No? 802 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 2: Because then you want fifteen with fifteen number one singles 803 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,240 Speaker 2: make us happy? No, you got to hit it even twenty. 804 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 2: That ends? So anyway, man, I appreciate the conversation. I 805 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,479 Speaker 2: hope you enjoyed it. You got to do it again. 806 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 2: I got a bud. I want to. I want to. 807 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: I want to do this again because I want to 808 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: hear like and we can just do it over over 809 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: beers and on the phone one time too if you want. 810 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot to catch up to on 811 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: your side of the story and I want to keep 812 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 1: diving in on too. Okay, thank you for the time today, man, 813 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: it was awesome. 814 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 2: No, man, that's the same same to you. It's an 815 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 2: honor to have you canan and let's keep talking. Love it, dude, 816 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 2: I love you, love you hell all right, see you bro. 817 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me on the Grangersmith podcast. I appreciate 818 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 2: all of you. 819 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 4: Guys. 820 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 2: You could help me out by rating this podcast on iTunes. 821 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,320 Speaker 2: If you're on YouTube, subscribe to this channel. Hit that 822 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 2: little light button and a notification spell so that you 823 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 2: never miss anytime I upload a video.