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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 4: I loved Atlanta, always knew I'd probably move here. And

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Speaker 4: the community was strong, men and women, black and white,

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Speaker 4: and transgender, and it was always the dream abov and

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Speaker 4: made to have a community nightclub that was for everyone.

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Speaker 1: They called it the other Side Lounge. It was known

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Speaker 1: as a lesbian bar, but as Dana Ford just said,

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Speaker 1: it was a bar for.

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Speaker 5: Anyone, for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Inside outside other Side people would wander in, some of

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Speaker 1: them I didn't even know Ellen Degenerous, I guess at

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Speaker 1: sometimes Steve Martin.

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Speaker 4: It was a big spot. A lot of things were happening.

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Speaker 1: As you know now, back at the beginning of ninety seven,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even born yet. If the Sandy Springs abortion

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Speaker 1: clinic hadn't been bombed, I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't exist.

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Speaker 1: I've been picking at these threads for as long as

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Speaker 1: I can remember, and this podcast is my reckoning, my

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Speaker 1: coming to terms with the devil that made me. But

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Speaker 1: back in ninety seven, Dana Ford and her partner Beverly

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Speaker 1: had planted a pretty original flag with the other Side Lounge.

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Speaker 1: It was their personal love letter to the city of Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: a safe haven for free expression. But there's two sides

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Speaker 1: to that coin, and the truth is a place like that,

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Speaker 1: it's a refuge for lots of people, but for others,

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Speaker 1: it's a target.

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Speaker 5: Episode three, Army of God.

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Speaker 4: You know, back then, you still had to congregate together.

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Speaker 4: You know, you still had to be careful when you

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Speaker 4: walk the streets. And the politics were changing, and when

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Speaker 4: they were trying to get don asks, don't tell and

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Speaker 4: get people who were able to serve in the military,

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Speaker 4: and it was across the board looking for rights. You know,

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Speaker 4: we'd have people vandalize our property, had eggs thrown at me,

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Speaker 4: and bobblestone at me, and my car keyed and our

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Speaker 4: locks super glued, and people would come through the parking

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Speaker 4: lot and vandalize the cars or they'd and one time

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Speaker 4: there was a homicide outline, like a dead body on

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Speaker 4: our stoop. We'd get calls where you know, they're threatening

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Speaker 4: rape or harm or assaults, and you know, you had

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Speaker 4: to be careful and you had to be aware, and

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Speaker 4: the community needed to stick together. It was a hard

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Speaker 4: fought period to get to where we got with gay

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Speaker 4: marriage and these small little victories. But it starts at

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Speaker 4: the community level. And that's why Bev and I were

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Speaker 4: active and active in human rights and people who knew

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Speaker 4: We weren't just slinging drinks and making money. We wanted

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Speaker 4: to make a change.

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Speaker 1: Most people are creatures of habit. They don't like change,

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Speaker 1: and some folks they hated.

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Speaker 6: Reported by Brian Williams.

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Speaker 3: Good Evening, the city of Atlanta might have a big

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Speaker 1: It's the night of February twenty first, nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: Barely a month has passed since the bombing at the

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Speaker 1: Sandy Springs abortion clinic, and still no leads. But trouble

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Speaker 1: waits for no one, and with the echoes of this

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Speaker 5: Another bomb goes off in Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: Suddenly Atlanta's mayor thinks his city might be in the

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Speaker 5: Take me through.

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Speaker 1: When you first heard news of the bomb, you didn't

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Speaker 4: I knew something was detonated as my manager, I said,

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Speaker 4: what is it? You said, something blew up? Is it

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Speaker 4: What? What do you mean blew up? He goes, I

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Speaker 4: And there was a single young cop standing there kind

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Speaker 4: and he said, I think it's a bomb.

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Speaker 1: After the twin bombs at the Sandy Springs Clinic, law

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Speaker 1: enforcement changed their approach to these situations. Veteran GBI agent

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Speaker 1: Charles Stone was early on the scene.

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Speaker 8: We had had training sessions then to APD and beat

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Speaker 8: offshers and detectives saying, if you get a call of

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Speaker 8: and q's and look for damned secondary devices. Well they

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Speaker 8: did the very right thing. They combed the parking lot

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Speaker 1: The once again not one bomb, but two, which meant

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Speaker 1: the threat was not over. A second device was just

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Speaker 4: And I asked for the officer on duty. I said,

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Speaker 4: think we found a second device. And that second device

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Speaker 4: and she said, well, we need to get the people

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Speaker 4: know that's there. So I went inside and kind of

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Speaker 4: be frightened. I said, well, you know, guys, we got

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Speaker 4: and people were trying to down their drinks. I said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: hit them under their coats. I well, that's a good idea,

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Speaker 4: do know, though, my bartender, when I said just shut

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Speaker 4: I calmed them down and said, it's cops. They're not

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Speaker 4: going to steal it. They just leave it there. None

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Speaker 4: and I knew it was getting close. In my gut

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Speaker 5: People out of here.

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Speaker 9: They called in the bomb squad with the robot, and

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Speaker 1: US Attorney Ken Alexander, who was alreadinvestigating the two other

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Speaker 1: Atlanta bombings, was also in the parking lot.

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Speaker 9: You can actually diffuse bombs by shooting these high powered

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Speaker 9: water guns into them, and as they did it, the

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Speaker 9: shoot it. The bomb ended up exploding, and I distinctly

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Speaker 9: remember or the valet sign. It was riddled with what

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Speaker 9: looked like bullets, but as with Sandy Springs, remarkably nobody

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Speaker 6: A police robot shot it with a stream of water

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Speaker 6: about two this morning and it exploded. Authorities were investigating

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Speaker 6: another bombing at the same club when they found the backpack.

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Speaker 9: And it was really after that bomb when we took

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Speaker 9: were dealing with the same bomber.

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Speaker 5: We were dealing with the serial bomber.

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Speaker 6: The bomb that went off in Atlanta's Centennial Park last

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Speaker 6: July also was placed in a backpack. Nails were used

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Speaker 6: in that bomb, as well as in the second of

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Speaker 1: God law enforcement was now clearly dealing with a serial bomber.

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Speaker 1: The theories and suspicions from Sandy Springs were finding purchase

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Speaker 1: term serial bomber wasn't a very well known thing. Even

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Speaker 1: the forensic science surrounding a serial bomber was very much

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Speaker 1: But new evidence would begin to fit this story into

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Speaker 10: The bombings and sandy springs in Midtown were carried out

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Speaker 10: by units of the Army of God. The aboration was

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Speaker 10: the target of the first device. The murder of three

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Speaker 10: as a warning anyone in or around facilities that murdered

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Speaker 1: A very specific point of view was claiming responsibility now

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Speaker 1: They called themselves the Army of God. The letters were

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Speaker 1: serious and for as unprofessionals. The letter may have read

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Speaker 1: to most in the media. It was designed to put

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Speaker 1: the fear of God in you, and that's exactly what

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Speaker 10: The second device was aimed at agents of the so

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Speaker 10: called federal government ieatf FBI, marshals, etc. We declare and

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Speaker 10: will wage total war on the ungodly communist regime in

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Speaker 10: New York and your legislative bureaucratic lackeys in Washington. It

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Speaker 10: is you who are responsible and preside over the murder

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Speaker 10: of children and issue the policy of ungodly perversion that's

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Speaker 10: destroying our people. We will target all facilities and personnel

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Speaker 10: of the federal government. The attack in Midtown was aimed

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Speaker 10: at the Sodomite bar. The other side, we will target Sodomites,

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Speaker 10: their organizations, and all those who push their agenda in

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Speaker 10: the future, where innocent people may become the primary casualties.

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Speaker 10: And warning phone call will be placed to one of

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Speaker 9: The analyst said, first, who I was writing this is

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Speaker 9: the date of Waco.

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Speaker 1: Waco, Texas April nineteenth, nineteen ninety three. This was the

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Speaker 9: It was chilling to see that date, and it was

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Speaker 6: Sour's as close to the investigation tell NBC News there

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Speaker 6: are differences in those five bombs too. Natils used for

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Speaker 1: It, so the children's car seats and Dana and Bev's

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Speaker 4: The death threats that we subsequently received for years threatened

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Speaker 1: Dana doesn't know the exact contents of this hate mail,

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Speaker 5: Quite figured out yet. So what was the solution? A

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Speaker 4: The last one we received was two thousand and one.

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Speaker 4: You know the FBI. The reassurance they gave us was

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Speaker 4: I said I'm done. We closed in two thousand and one.

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Speaker 5: And that wasn't the only fallout.

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Speaker 4: Bev and I don't really have conversations. We broke up

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Speaker 4: It wiped out our savings, and you know, we have

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Speaker 1: Some consequences are unintentional, unanticipated, They aren't engineered to happen

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Speaker 7: I never knew I could have been so outspoken about something.

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Speaker 7: When I first got the job. It was exactly that

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Speaker 7: I looked in the newspaper doctor's office blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: Emily Lyons was thirty seven years old when she answered

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Speaker 1: the job posting for the new Woman All Women Healthcare Center,

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Speaker 7: The first day I went, there was a protester out

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Speaker 7: was like, what is that. I had no clue, but

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Speaker 7: the mental the verbal abuse they gave those women was horrible.

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Speaker 7: Then there was David Lackey, used to be the former

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Speaker 7: I was getting out of the car and he says,

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Speaker 7: It was brown paper, had a lot of stamps on it.

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Speaker 7: He was dressed to the office and I'm like, what

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Speaker 7: bomb squad. It's like, oh my goodness. But inside was

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Speaker 1: Emily says, even in the face of such threats, she

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Speaker 7: The pats would come to you afterwards and shake your hand,

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Speaker 7: people have a job and they just do it. The

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Speaker 1: And Thursday, January twenty ninth, nineteen ninety eight, was just

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Speaker 5: She was just doing her job. What do you remember

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Speaker 7: Nothing? Absolutely nothing. I don't remember getting up taking a

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Speaker 1: Robert Sanderson, better known as Sandy, was an off duty

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Speaker 7: I didn't know Sandy much. I mean, he came to work,

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Speaker 7: I considered him one of the good guys. I'm sure

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Speaker 7: The U paramedics and all those got there quickly after

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Speaker 7: your opinion, your thoughts are no more important than mine, Heart,

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Speaker 7: But I'm sure I'm gonna kill you. The FBI came

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Speaker 7: that first summer and told me it was different from

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Speaker 7: his other bombs he had made. The others were time related.

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Speaker 7: This was detonated by him, so we know he watched.

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Speaker 7: He stood out there and watched us, and when he

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Speaker 7: thought he was going to be found out, he pushed

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Speaker 5: Next time on Flashpoint, he heard.

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Speaker 11: The bomb explode, and when he looked out of his window,

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Speaker 11: you could see some smoke and some people moving that way.

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Speaker 11: But yet there was one individual that appeared to have

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Speaker 11: walking very hurriedly away from the scene. And he just

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Speaker 11: thought to himself, there's something wrong with this picture. Jeff

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Speaker 11: saw him get in a truck, a gray Nissan pickup truck,

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Speaker 11: and wrote the tag number of the pickup truck down

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Speaker 1: Flashpoint is a production of Tenderfoot TV in association with iHeartMedia.

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Speaker 1: I'm Your Host. Cola Cassio, Donald Albright, and Payne Lindsay

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