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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to the second hour of the Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show. You know, Clay, Sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: funny because I have in my head a story that

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna end up talking about, and then

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Speaker 1: it changes rapidly because of events. And one of those

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Speaker 1: unfolded in the last twenty four hours where there was

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Speaker 1: a report out there, because you could say, an allegation

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Speaker 1: that a Hilton branded hotel was canceling the reservations of

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Speaker 1: anybody who works for Immigrations and Customs Offorcement, just like

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Speaker 1: everyday folks, government employees when they travel to places, they

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Speaker 1: don't have homes everywhere, they stay in hotels. And there

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Speaker 1: was this report out about a Hilton hotel that had

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Speaker 1: turned and not just refuse to take it as it

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Speaker 1: but canceled active reservations of a of some ICE contingent.

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Speaker 1: And it came from I believe officially or initially the

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Speaker 1: official DHS account saying this is that this happened. So

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Speaker 1: they go right to the people with this stuff. Now,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this Trump administration doesn't hold back. It was

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Speaker 1: amazing to see how quickly to Hilton's credit. Now I

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Speaker 1: think they understand what's at stake here? But Hilton Hotels. Man,

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Speaker 1: they were at the comms, they were on it. They

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Speaker 1: right away publicly, this is absolutely not our policy. We

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Speaker 1: would never do such a thing. We are open as

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Speaker 1: a hotel for all who wish to stay. And you know,

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Speaker 1: they they went and they said we are looking into

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Speaker 1: this right away. And then they said the it's a franchisee.

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Speaker 1: People forget this that there's often, you know, these big brands,

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Speaker 1: you have to play by certain rules. You're a franchise e,

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Speaker 1: so you independently operate it under the overall corporate umbrella,

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Speaker 1: so there's kind of limited. There's not really direct oversight.

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Speaker 1: There's some oversight, but it was a franchise e hotel

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Speaker 1: and Hilton.

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Speaker 2: Do you see.

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Speaker 1: The latest out of Clay was that Hilton Hotels came

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Speaker 1: out I think it was either last night or early

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Speaker 1: this morning to just say, you know what, this franchise

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Speaker 1: e told us. They fix it. They didn't fix it.

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Speaker 1: They're no longer a Hilton Hotel. This was in less

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Speaker 1: than twenty four hours. I just think that this is

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Speaker 1: indicative of how much the vibe, as the kids say,

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Speaker 1: has changed now in corporate America, where the second that

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Speaker 1: anyone starts to get a whif that you think that

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Speaker 1: half the country should go stuff it and that they're

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't want their business is if they're

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Speaker 1: going to vote for Trump or whatever. Oh the days

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Speaker 1: of half the country sitting back quietly and letting that

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Speaker 1: stuff f lie are are long since gone.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think this is the legacy of bud Light,

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Speaker 3: which is why I think the bud Light story is

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Speaker 3: going to linger for years in years to come. Look,

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Speaker 3: Michael Jordan had it right buck Republicans by Sneakers too.

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Speaker 4: Back in the day. They tried to get Michael Jordan

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Speaker 3: Super political and he said, no, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: do that, And he gave the quote Republicans by sneakers too.

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Speaker 3: That means that maybe he had Democratic leanings, but he

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Speaker 3: wasn't going to get involved. And as a result, you

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Speaker 3: know what the legacy of Michael Jordan is, He's the

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Speaker 3: most popular athlete in the entire country. Still, he sells

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Speaker 3: more Jordans his sneakers than any current NBA player does combined.

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Speaker 3: The air Jordan brand is more valuable than every current

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Speaker 3: NBA player combined. Tiger Woods took the same approach Tiger

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Speaker 3: Woods basically said, look, I want to be the greatest

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Speaker 3: golfer that has ever lived. Now, he didn't beat Jack

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Speaker 3: Nicholas in overall majors. I think he just turned fifty.

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Tiger Woods. You're listening. And Tiger made the

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Speaker 3: decision that he wanted to have the same level of appeal.

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Speaker 3: And I just it seems very basic to me. If

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Speaker 3: I ran a company that was desirous of of of

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Speaker 3: trying to appeal to everyone, which most companies are, why

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was so interesting because and I

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Speaker 1: pulled this up, it was from the official Homeland Security

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Speaker 1: like the comms for DHS said, we're getting reports about this,

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Speaker 2: The end all in caps and Hilton.

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Speaker 1: You know, there there was a time there was a

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Speaker 1: time when I think at best what you could hope

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Speaker 1: And they would sort of just hope that it goes

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Speaker 1: There was a time when some corporations in recent memory

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Speaker 1: But in this case, Hilton came out with right away

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Speaker 1: like all that they could bring to the public conversation

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Speaker 1: and say we absolutely do not do this, would not

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Speaker 1: to get a little used to this, guys, it's only

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Speaker 1: been a year. That is a massive, massive corporate sea

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Speaker 1: when clearly this is because it's Trump's ice, Trump's policies,

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Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. Under the Biden administration, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think it's also reflective of an unfortunate reality, which

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Speaker 3: is most business leaders are cowards, and they go whatever

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Speaker 3: a long time, the way that they would lose their

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Speaker 3: jobs was by not seeming left wing enough. So if

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Speaker 3: you remember in twenty twenty in the summer, remember when

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Speaker 3: every brand that you ever bought anything from suddenly had

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Speaker 3: to email you to let you know what they thought

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Speaker 3: some kitty litter. I don't need to know what my

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Speaker 3: pet company, pet food company thinks about geopolitics. And yet

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Speaker 3: everybody felt compelled to send you those message. A lot

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Speaker 3: of those same CEOs knew it was BS and then,

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Speaker 3: but they were concerned about protecting their own jobs. Now,

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Speaker 3: because Trump won, they can go back and try to

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Speaker 3: address what they knew to be ridiculous for a long time.

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Speaker 4: And I think the math on it was is pretty clear, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're Hilton or Hyatt, I always get

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Speaker 3: tell the difference. Probably not helping me for us getting

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Speaker 3: a big hotel chain sponsorship here, But you should want

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Speaker 3: everybody under the sun, Democrats, Republicans, independents, people who don't vote.

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Speaker 3: Everybody should be your target market. And I give them credit.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right. They looked into this, they got

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Speaker 3: back to it fast, and they said, we're not going

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Speaker 3: to allow this to occur. This guy is no longer

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Speaker 3: one of our franchisees.

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Speaker 1: The people who decided to send bud Light a message

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Speaker 1: to your point, message received by corporate America. Doesn't bud

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Speaker 1: Light now who they had with the MMA, and they've

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Speaker 2: Like some right wing film.

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Speaker 3: It still hasn't come back because maybe it's gonna take years.

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Speaker 1: No, No, but I just mean that they.

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Speaker 3: Spent god knows how much money on the UFC. They

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Speaker 3: can't watch in a college football or NFL game without

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Speaker 3: bud Light commercials everywhere. Look, the most toxic thing that

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Speaker 3: that you're cool with dudes pretending to be chicks like

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Speaker 3: and everybody just said, yeah, we're not going to do

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Speaker 1: Well, you can unpack this really quickly, right. Why do

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Speaker 1: the Democrats have such a problem with masculinity? This was

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't care who it is. You can

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, you're like whatever, the ultimated masculinity

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Speaker 1: have him say, in earnestness, not ironically or kidding, I'm

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Speaker 1: a male feminist and I believe that men don't have

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Speaker 2: There's no way around this. It doesn't matter who you are,

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Speaker 2: doesn't You can.

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Speaker 1: Have the top you know, NBA or NFL athlete in

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Speaker 1: So you actually don't have balls. To borrow from a

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is and I think it's why it

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Speaker 3: We were talking about off air, it looks like Trump

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Speaker 3: I'm reading in the Wall Street Journal this morning as

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Speaker 4: Then the inflation is going to go through the roofs.

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Speaker 4: And they were wrong.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of economists they're looking around saying, now like,

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Speaker 3: how do we all get this so wrong? And by

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Speaker 3: I think there's actually pretty good history that when you

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Speaker 3: And there's this idea out there that Biden bought into

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Speaker 1: This is where common and sense is seemingly less common

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Speaker 1: than we would want it to be. If you can

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Speaker 1: deal with it, and you'll buy whatever you want and

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Speaker 1: get whatever you want with it, we should just set

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Speaker 1: up for every American, yes, a bank account, put a

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Speaker 1: million dollars in it. Yes, If that's a problem, why

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Speaker 1: is it a problem. Well, once you establish why that's

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Speaker 1: clearly a problem, you understand why soon to be forty

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Speaker 1: it's very straightforward stuff. On the tariff's issue, I will

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Speaker 1: apply the same common sense. This is what we kept

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Speaker 1: saying on the show Clay. Okay, somehow every other country

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Speaker 5: Us, wondering how come the Monroe doctrine doesn't apply to

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Speaker 1: You're talking about geography as deterministic here in some way,

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Speaker 1: been thinking about Brad a lot lately.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 4: I've been.

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Speaker 3: I've been thinking we need to talk about what the

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Speaker 3: job Brad's doing in Idaho. There was the background of

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Speaker 3: the governor of Idaho. No one loves him more than us.

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Speaker 3: Podcast listener Paul from Wisconsin.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Clay, this is Paul from Wisconsin calling in. You

446
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Speaker 7: really had my hopes up there when you said a

447
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Speaker 7: couple of times that we had arrested Machado, and as

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Speaker 7: a Brewers fan, I really thought maybe we got Manny

449
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Speaker 7: Machatta finally, but apparently it was Maduro we got It

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Speaker 7: wasn't but see, I just thought up there for a second.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was just doing his Spanish pronunciation there,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't want to correct him.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 3: I got Manny Machado Maduro mixed up, So apologies. Manny

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Speaker 3: Machado has not been arrested. He is still a really

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Speaker 3: talented baseball player. We did get Maduro though. That's very funny.

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Speaker 3: Chris and Tampa w FLA Hey.

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Speaker 9: Guys, can y'all help me understand this a little bit better.

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Speaker 9: You're talking about Greenland, people choosing what country to be

460
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Speaker 9: part of, and then you get the Trump administration talking

461
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Speaker 9: about taking Greenland. Are you talking about Cuba and then

462
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Speaker 9: you're talking about Venezuela. What's the difference between China and

463
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Speaker 9: Taiwan and Putin and Ukraine and it's all land grab.

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Speaker 4: There's some truth to it. Look there. The entire history

465
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Speaker 4: of the world.

466
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Speaker 3: Is people deciding that they want to expand the sphere

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Speaker 3: of influence of their own country and take in other parts.

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Speaker 1: What's the great quote from Pompy Magnus, Do not quote

469
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Speaker 1: laws to men with swords. They'll never forget that one, everybody.

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Speaker 1: They might have tried to quote some laws to the

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Speaker 1: Delta forest before they got whacked in the Cuban security

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Speaker 1: team around Maduro.

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Speaker 2: Not to be confused with Mahado.

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Speaker 3: Now, that is very It's one of the funniest talkbacks

475
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Speaker 3: we've had in a while. Some of the others out

476
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Speaker 3: there who are baseball fans, Yeah, my bad on that.

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Speaker 3: Let me also, if I were going to distinguish here,

478
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Speaker 3: what I would say is now Russia would likely make

479
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Speaker 3: the same argument the motivations of the United States as

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Speaker 3: it pertains the Venezuela, the motivations of the United States

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Speaker 3: as it pertains potentially to Cuba, to other countries, I

482
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Speaker 3: would argue that we are providing the average citizen of

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Speaker 3: those countries a better standard quality of living than they

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Speaker 3: would otherwise have and more freedom, and so the average

485
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Speaker 3: citizen of Venezuela or Cuba would end up in a

486
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Speaker 3: better position than they were before. We are also not

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Speaker 3: actually engaging in war and killing tens of thousands of

488
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Speaker 3: people as Russia has done with Ukraine. Now Russia would

489
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Speaker 3: say Vladimir Putin, Hey, I'm going to make life better

490
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Speaker 3: for everybody in Ukraine, and this is historically Russian land

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Speaker 3: that we are reclaiming. So look, I think the biggest

492
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Speaker 3: difference is there's not tens of thousands of people dead,

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Speaker 3: and the average quality of life in theory of Venezuela

494
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Speaker 3: is much different. And I would say the average Venezuelan

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Speaker 3: supports Maduro being taken out of power as opposed to

496
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Speaker 3: the average Ukrainian who does not support the invasion of Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: So if this would be two justinbacks on the peace

498
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Speaker 1: of Westphalia, sixteen forty eight to start flying in here

499
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Speaker 1: and the origin of the modern nation state system, what's

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Speaker 1: considered the origin of it as we know it. I

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Speaker 1: would say that the lines on the map that represent

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Speaker 1: national boundaries, that is actually just the extent to which

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Speaker 1: an entity can enforce.

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Speaker 2: With force its political will and sovereignty. That's it.

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Speaker 1: The lines on the map are drawn by agreement based

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Speaker 1: upon power. That's actually the truth. So, yeah, is it arbitrary, Sure,

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Speaker 1: it's arbitrary, but that's the world.

508
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Speaker 2: That we live in. It's the best that we've got.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the nerdiest talkbacks we've ever gotten.

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Speaker 3: Buck and I don't even I'm gonna be honest, I

511
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Speaker 3: don't know if he's correct, but it's so specific I'm

512
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Speaker 3: going to say that he is correct. TB from Cincinnati,

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Speaker 3: listening on fifty five KRC says about Greenland.

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Speaker 10: Listen ff citizens of Greenland are full citizens of Denmark

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Speaker 10: and the EU. This is a result of the Treaty

516
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Speaker 10: of Keel in eighteen fourteen. And then to comment about

517
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Speaker 10: NATO just complete nonsense.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember the NATO part, but I don't know

519
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Speaker 3: anything about the Treaty of Keel. I doubt very many

520
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Speaker 3: people are experts on the Treaty of Keel out here.

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Speaker 3: I have read quite a lot about Greenland, and my

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Speaker 3: understanding is that the people of Greenland have the ability

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Speaker 3: to have a referendum where they could be allowed to

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Speaker 3: vote as to whether they would like to be citizens

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Speaker 3: of Denmark or citizens of the United States. That that

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Speaker 3: is in their constitutional right. Remember, there are only thirty

527
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Speaker 3: thousand or so people who live in Greenland, So there

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Speaker 3: has been some talk that the United States could just

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Speaker 3: give all of those individual citizens of Greenland a certain

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Speaker 3: amount of money and say, hey, we want you to

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Speaker 3: now be a part of the United States protectorate.

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Speaker 1: When you include in this that the mineral rights alone

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Speaker 1: and fishing rights, things like that that would seed to

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Speaker 1: the United States if Greenland were to become US sovereign territory.

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Speaker 1: The price that we would pay those thirty thousand green

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Speaker 1: lenders would be a pittance. Yeah, would be great for them,

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Speaker 1: but a pitchonce for us in terms of the long

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Speaker 1: term implications of this. And Denmark has no prayer, no

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Speaker 1: no will, no budget, no ability to develop those resources

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Speaker 1: in the way that would be most beneficial to the

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Speaker 1: whole world. Actually, because you're talking about a lot of

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Speaker 1: like I said, mineral rights, there's.

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Speaker 2: Oil and things like that. You do offshore drilling all this,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a lot a lot.

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Speaker 3: Going on there. What doctor Joe emailed us, he's a VIP.

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Speaker 3: He says, what about this, Pay each of the thirty

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Speaker 3: thousand inhabitants of Greenland one hundred grand plus pay Denmark,

548
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Speaker 3: say ten billion or so, total cost about thirteen billion.

549
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Speaker 3: I'm sure the total nationwide cost of the Somali scam

550
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Speaker 3: would probably cover that, and it would be it would

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Speaker 3: be malpractice for Denmark if we made a real offer,

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Speaker 3: you know, not just like Trump having some fun on

553
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Speaker 3: TV and about this stuff and musing aloud. And I'm

554
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Speaker 3: not sure that Trump isn't gonna make a real offer,

555
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Speaker 3: by the way, I'm not convinced that that's not on

556
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Speaker 3: the table at some point. But if they made a

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Speaker 3: real offer to Denmark, for the people of Denmark to

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Speaker 3: sell this territory, why if you're the leadership of Denmark, like,

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Speaker 3: why do you care? I think it's great, it's a

560
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Speaker 3: great question because they think that the value based on

561
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Speaker 3: Arctic lane shipping opening, I think is incredibly valuable to Denmark.

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Speaker 3: By the way, doctor Joe says this too. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if he's right or not.

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Speaker 4: Buck. This is addressed to you.

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Speaker 3: Remember Greenland was green when the Vikings lived there. The

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Speaker 3: earth used to be warmer Medieval warming period, much more

567
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Speaker 3: fertile and habitable. We need the globe to warm, just

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Speaker 3: saying so, I am not And we got to now

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Speaker 3: look up not only that treaty, but also what was

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Speaker 3: the weather like in twelve hundred in Greenland?

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Speaker 2: All right, Greenland?

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Speaker 1: According to Grock, Viking explorer Eric the Red call that

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Speaker 1: Greenland around nine eighty two a d. As a clever

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Speaker 1: marketing tactic to attract settlers.

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Speaker 3: I thought you were right. I thought you were right,

576
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Speaker 3: and doctor Joe was wrong. I'm just reading.

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Speaker 1: Highlighting these surprisingly green, habitable coastal areas which did exist

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Speaker 1: during the Medieval warm period, but most of the island

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Speaker 1: was still covered in ice. The whole idea was that

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Speaker 1: it suggested you would arrive on these green coasts and

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Speaker 1: think that you would you know that you had like

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Speaker 1: a big version of Ireland. You had landed in Ireland.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Vikings founded the city of Dublin.

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Speaker 1: For those who didn't know the Vikings actually founded the

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Speaker 1: Great City of York in northern England. The Vikings had

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Speaker 1: a whole lot bigger hand in European history than a

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Speaker 1: lot of people realized. Side note, but yeah, so Greenland,

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Speaker 1: it was marketing, it was green herb, but.

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Speaker 2: It still wasn't that green, my friends, Because you'll.

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Speaker 1: Notice I think there was no settlement like way deep

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Speaker 1: in the middle of Greenland.

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Speaker 3: There's a reason for that. Do you think the King's

593
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Speaker 3: discovered America before Columbus?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't There isn't there evidence there they landed in,

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Speaker 1: or that there's belief that they landed in like what

596
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Speaker 1: would be Newfoundland.

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Speaker 2: Or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there are suggestions that there were there

599
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Speaker 3: were people living there in like the eleven hundred z.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think we should just do a whole

601
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Speaker 1: podcast about how Aliens discovered America alongside the Vikings and

602
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: tell everybody we have secret proof for it that will

603
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Speaker 1: emerge in six months, and rack up really big numbers

604
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Speaker 1: based on our secret special knowledge and then just be like,

605
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Speaker 1: oh man, we were way off, Samsonite, I was way off.

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Speaker 2: You know. That's That's where I think we're heading on

607
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: that one. See if anyone catches that movie reference. By

608
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: the way, glad did you get that one? I did?

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Speaker 1: Guys like the Easter Eggs Samsonite, I was way off.

610
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Speaker 1: Don't google it. One of you is going to get

611
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Speaker 1: that's a little obscure. Swans Swanson's Swans Samsonite, I was

612
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: way off. One of you going to get it. One

613
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: of you is going to get it. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of you're like, buck, what are you talking about? You're

615
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Speaker 1: talking a few million people. Stop spewing nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Uhait.

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Speaker 1: What was I gonna say about selling territory clay? If

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Speaker 1: if we offered Denmark, just theoretically we said Denmark, we'll

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Speaker 1: give you a trillion dollars for Greenland, they're insane not

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Speaker 1: to take.

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Speaker 4: That off correct.

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Speaker 2: Think of what that would do for the Danish people.

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Speaker 1: Right If if China came along and said, hey, we

624
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Speaker 1: are just going to buy New Jersey. We're just going

625
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Speaker 1: to take New Jersey. We'll give you a great price

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Speaker 1: as a New Yorker, I don't know. I think New

627
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Speaker 1: Jersey would do okay, a lot of dumplings, a lot

628
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: of you know, you'd be okay, New Jersey, we'd sell you.

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Speaker 1: We'd still visit sometimes you'd be all right, what state

630
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Speaker 1: would you want to sell? Oh, that's a great question.

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Speaker 3: I just like if we had to sell a state,

632
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Speaker 3: or like if we were bartering, like trading, we get

633
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Speaker 3: you know, Cuba and Venezuela and Greenland, but we have

634
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Speaker 3: to give up New Mexico. I think that's probably a

635
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Speaker 3: trade i'd make. Sorry, New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm like, do we have any stations in New

637
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Speaker 1: Mexico that I need to just say it?

638
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know that the world of.

639
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: The United States would be different if we didn't have

640
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Speaker 3: New Mexico. Like if we gave Mexico back in New

641
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: Mexico might make some sense. And we got you know,

642
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 3: we got Venezuela, and we got Greenland and we got Cuba.

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Speaker 3: I think that would be a good, good trade. Now

644
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 3: breaking bad, fabulous show filmed in Albuquerque. That would be tough.

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Speaker 3: I have to jump in.

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Speaker 1: We can continue this, but we're about to run into

647
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Speaker 1: our herd break here, So I'm gonna stop Clay from

648
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: insulting more states. Notice that I just playfully insulted New Jersey. Clay, meanwhile,

649
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: wants Manhattan to sink into the Abyss and wants to

650
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Speaker 1: give away New Mexico to the Chinese. Okay traded traded.

651
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Speaker 1: A lot of people make New Year's resolutions, my friends,

652
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Speaker 1: to get healthier. As you know, I went on a

653
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Speaker 1: fitness journey because some of you pointed out I gotten

654
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Speaker 1: a little puffy, a little too dadbod before the baby

655
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Speaker 1: even came.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back into clay On Buck. We got

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Speaker 1: a super quick turn. I'm sorry you were supposed to

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Speaker 1: do that, Clay, but it's so quick.

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Speaker 2: Who cares.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to shield you a little bit right

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Speaker 1: now from all the rage of New Mexico. They are

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, somebody has to be fiftieth. I just

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Speaker 3: governor campaign for New Mexico is off to a slow start.

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss