1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day BAQ podcast. Give Morning. It's Monday, 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: the twenty sixth of January. I'm Caroline Hepka in London and. 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today. Anger and political 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: outrage mount in the United States after another American citizen 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: is killed in an immigration crackdown. 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: Gold rises above five thousand dollars an ounce, pushed higher 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: by a weeker dollar and global uncertainty while markets are 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: on alert for intervention in the Japanese yen after a 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: shop strengthening of the currency. 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: Plus Europe's defense dilemma, the challenges of building capacity as 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: fears over relying on the US for security grow. 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Congressional Democrats are threatening a US government shutdown after federal 15 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: immigration agents shot dead a second American citizen on Saturday. 16 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: In Minnesota, ice officers killed intensive care nurse Alex Pretty 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: as they subdued him. Widely circulated videos showing the incident 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: from multiple angles suggest that a handgun, which Pretty had 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: a permit to carry, may have been removed from him 20 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: by an agent before other officers opened fire. Democratic Senator 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: Amy Klobashar of Minnesota spoke to ABC's This Week program. 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: Somehow fifty thousand peaceful protesters in ten below weather. I 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 3: was there with them marching when we're able to march 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 3: without any problems, and then the next day a half 25 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: a dozen ICE and Border Control agents couldn't handle a 26 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 3: guy with a cell phone taking video of them and 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 3: shot him. So I think it's pretty obvious what's going 28 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: on here, so sort and what needs to happen is 29 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: they need to leave. 30 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: Senator Abi Klobachar was speaking to ABC after Border Patrol 31 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: Commander at Large Gregory Vino said Alex Pratty approached officers 32 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 1: with a handgun and violently resisted attempts to disarm him. However, 33 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: neither he nor other federal officials said he had brandished 34 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: the weapon. 35 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: Growing anger over the Trump administration now threatens to trigger 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: a partial government shut down this week. Senate Democratic leader 37 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer says his party will vote against a sweeping 38 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: funding package needed to keep the US government running and less. 39 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: Republicans strip out funding for the Department of Homeland Security, 40 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: which oversees ICE. Democratic Senator Adam Schiff of California spoke 41 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 2: on NBC's Meet the Press, Well. 42 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 4: I'm not giving ICE or Border Patrol another dime given 43 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 4: how this agency, these agencies are operating. Democrats are not 44 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 4: going to fund that the government will shut down. If 45 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 4: Republicans insist that that be joined with other government funding, 46 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 4: it will be a Republican decision. 47 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: Adam Schiff speaking there. With the effects of another shutdown 48 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: expected to be widespread, including possibly delaying the next Bureau 49 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: of Labour Statistics report, and there are signs that some 50 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: congressional Republicans are wavering. Speaking on Fox News, House Oversight 51 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: Chairman James Corner suggested that President Trump should consider taking 52 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: his immigration crackdown to another city. 53 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: The price of gold has surged past five thousand dollars 54 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: an ounce for the first time. It extends a breakneck 55 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: rally that's seen bullion more than double in value over 56 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: the past two years. The latest gains come as pressure 57 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: from the Trump administration on the FED threat to annexed 58 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: Greenland and the prospective military intervention in Venezuela have fueled 59 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: a flight away from sovereign bonds and currencies, and that 60 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: uncertainty was underlined again this weekend after the US President 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: threatened a one hundred percent tariff on all Canadian goods 62 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: if the country becomes what Trump described as a drop 63 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: off port for Chinese exports to the US. 64 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: The Japanese yen has extended gains against the dollar as 65 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: traders start the week on alert authorities intervening in the 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: FX market. Coordinated currency intervention is rare, but has been 67 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: fueled by comments on Sunday from Japanese Prime Minister Takei 68 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: Ichi about addressing quote speculative and highly abnormal movements. Traders 69 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: reported on Friday that the Federal Reserve Bank of New 70 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: York had contacted financial institutions to check on the yen's 71 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: exchange rates, something that is seen as a precursor to intervention. 72 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: In the UK, allies of the Prime Minister of blocked 73 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham from standing to become a 74 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: member of Parliament and an upcoming by election. The decision 75 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: leaves Burnham, a key rival of Keir Starmer, with no 76 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: clear route to Parliament. Steve Reids, the government's Housing secretary, 77 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: says it's the wrong time for him to return to Westminster. 78 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 5: Well, I look forward to seeing Andy Burnham back in Parliament. 79 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 5: In due course, but right now he's only halfway through 80 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 5: a four year term as mayor. Two million people helped 81 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 5: the right to vote in that area. They're not expected 82 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 5: a by election for their mayor halfway through the term 83 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 5: of the current mayor. 84 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: As ANG secretary Steve Read speaking there following the eight 85 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: to one vote by Labour's National Executive Committee against the 86 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: attempt in Gordon and Denton, Bloomberg understands that Keir Starmer 87 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: told the panel that Burnham standing would trigger month of 88 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: psychodrama and badly damaged labor ahead of May's local elections. 89 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: Posting on social media on Sunday, Andy Burnham said he 90 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: was disappointed by the decision and concerned about its potential impact. 91 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: New research by Morgan Stanley says that the UK is 92 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: losing more jobs than it's creating because of artificial intelligence. 93 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's un Potts has more. 94 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 6: Morgan Stanley's study found AI innovations are coming at a 95 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 6: particularly heavy cost of workers in Britain. The reports surveyed 96 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 6: firms in five industries that have been using AI for 97 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 6: at least a year. It found that for many companies, 98 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 6: tech investments are already paying off, with an average eleven 99 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 6: and a half percent increase in productivity. But when it 100 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 6: comes to employment, so you get companies reported the highest 101 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 6: level of net job losses of any of the countries 102 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 6: in the survey. In London, I'm you and pots Spooberg 103 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 6: Radio and. 104 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 2: Those are some of our top stories for you this morning. 105 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 2: In terms of the markets, the Japanese yen currently surging 106 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: about one percent one hundred and fifty four to nineteen. 107 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: There is speculation that the US may assist Japan to 108 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: halt the currency's slide. This would be highly unusual, very 109 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 2: rare for there to be either coordinated action or indeed 110 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: action by the US. In the FX markets, Japanese stocks 111 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: have been falling sharply on the back of that. NIK 112 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: is currently down by one point seven percent the dollar 113 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: weekening against all FX majors. The other big story in 114 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: markets is the surge in metals, especially gold, which is 115 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 2: now by one point eight percent this morning, training at 116 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: five seventy eight dollars. Ryanair says that it sees full 117 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: year profit after tax being two point one to two 118 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: point two billion euros. US natural gas futures have also 119 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: surged because of the freezing weather. They're they've sowed above 120 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: six dollars for the first time since twenty twenty two. 121 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: Those are the markets. 122 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: In a moment, we will bring you more on the 123 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: potential backlash against the US immigration crackdown that could result 124 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: in a government shutdown, plus Europe's defense dilemma back in 125 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: focus after the recent tensions over Greenland. But another story 126 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: that we've been reading this morning in case you feel 127 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: like you achieved nothing with your weekend, or perhaps you 128 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: stayed in bed late on Sunday morning, contrasts that with 129 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: the climber Alex Hannold, who spent his Sunday morning climbing 130 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: the Type A one oh one tower without ropes while 131 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: being streamed live on Netflix. Took just over ninety minutes 132 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: to climb the five hundred and eight meter building, which 133 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: houses officers including the Taiwan Stock Exchange. Bigot even for him, obviously, 134 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: but also for Netflix it's part of their push into 135 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: live programming. Our colleagues though also writing that it's a 136 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: boost for Taiwan because publicity surrounding the climb are a 137 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: high profile soft power wind for the island as well, 138 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: been battling for increased international visibility amidst the of course 139 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: ongoing campaign by China to isolate it diplomatically. So all 140 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: sorts of consequences from this event stunt, what do you 141 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: want to call it? 142 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: Consequences for me? Vertigo inducing TV. I mean I could 143 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: barely watch Free Solo, which was the first time that 144 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: the world really understood the powers of Alex Honald and 145 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: his skills to kind of climb without assistance, without ropes. 146 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: Don't know whether you ever watched the movie in twenty eighteen. 147 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: A lot of it was about his now wife Samny McCandless, 148 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: you know, and the fact that they traveled around in 149 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: this tiny van to get anyway. It's I don't know, 150 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: climbing is yes, I say, it's my heart's palpitated just 151 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: thinking about it or. 152 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: Something that you can read more about on Bloomberg dot 153 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: com as well. Let's bring you more there on on 154 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: our top story, the Trump Administration's immigration crackdown, fueling growing 155 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: outrage in the US after a border patrol agent shot 156 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: and killed the thirty seven year old nurse Alec Presting 157 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis on Saturday. Joining US Now with more details 158 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg's Tia Out of Bio Tia, Good morning, Quada 159 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: has been the impact then of this shooting. 160 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 7: So far, this is the second time this month that 161 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 7: ICE agents in Minnesota have been involved in a fatal shooting. 162 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 7: It comes just weeks after the shooting of US citizen 163 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 7: Rene Good in Minneapolis. So just a recap of what 164 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 7: happened over the weekend in terms of what ICE is 165 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 7: saying took place. Gregory Bovino, who is the Border Control 166 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 7: Commander at large, said that a man approached border patrol 167 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 7: officers with a semi automatic handgun and then, he says, 168 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 7: violently resisted attempts to disarm him. He also says that 169 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 7: the agent then fired defensive shots. That's according to a 170 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 7: statement that he's made. We've had President Trump, who took 171 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 7: to truth social quickly afterwards as well, defending the federal 172 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 7: officials involved. But this version of events has of course 173 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 7: been widely disputed by others, including Minnesota's Governor Tim Waltz, 174 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 7: so the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frey, who have emphasized 175 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 7: that a number of videos of the event that are 176 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 7: circulating widely on social media, and Tim Waltz has called 177 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 7: IS's statement nonsense and lies. We've also heard in a 178 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 7: statement from the parents of Alex Pretty who have refuted 179 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 7: Trump's claims. But just in terms of the political impact, 180 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 7: this is raising a lot of difficult questions in Minnesota 181 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 7: and also for the US at large. We're now seeing 182 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 7: this sort of stand off situation between authorities in the 183 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 7: States and the federal government. President Trump has accused Tim 184 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 7: Waltz and Jacob Frey of inciting insurrection with their rhetoric, 185 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 7: and he's also suggesting now that the two have instructed 186 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 7: local police not to protect or aid ICE agents. There 187 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 7: are other politicians that we've heard from as well in 188 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 7: the Trump administration, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christy nem 189 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 7: who's called Alex Pretty a domestic terrorist and argued that 190 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 7: he was actually impeding the work of the border control 191 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 7: But there's also this question of the Second Amendment right 192 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 7: to bear arms. We've even had from the National Rifle Association, 193 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 7: who are traditionally a Republican leading organization, and they've called 194 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 7: for a full investigation into the shooting and described the 195 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 7: suggestion of a federal prosecutor that people who carry guns 196 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 7: have the risk of being lawfully shot by officers as 197 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 7: dangerous and wrong. So this incident is really bringing out 198 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 7: wider constitutional questions which affect all Americans, but just quickly 199 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 7: on the business impact as well, there's been a significant 200 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 7: impact in that respect. We've heard from more than sixty 201 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 7: CEOs of companies based in the state in an open 202 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 7: letter they're calling for immediate de escalation of tensions. Those 203 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 7: companies include names like Target and Cargol. But it does 204 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 7: seem like normal life has almost sort of ground to 205 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 7: a halt in Minnesota. Even an NBA game scheduled for 206 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 7: the weekend had to be postponed reports of federal agents 207 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 7: using tear gas and other violent crowd control techniques. So 208 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 7: it seems the situation are definitely far from calm in Minnesota. 209 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: No, absolutely, an absolute FURII really in terms of what 210 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: this means for a US government shut down, I mean 211 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:15,599 Speaker 2: the political consequences. They also kind of throw the finances 212 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 2: now of the government into question, don't they. 213 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, So we've been brought to this situation which some 214 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 7: may have called unimaginable perhaps at the start of the year, 215 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 7: the prospect of another government shut down, And that's because 216 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 7: this shooting has happened in the wake of some unpopular 217 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:35,359 Speaker 7: actions by the Trump administration, including aggression towards Venezuela over Greenland, 218 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 7: and now these incidents in Minnesota have sort of raised 219 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 7: tensions in Congress to new heights. We've seen Senate Democrats 220 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 7: sort of digging in against this bill which regards funding 221 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 7: for the Department of Homeland Security, that was expected to 222 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 7: pass this week as a final part of a package 223 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 7: for this fiscal year. But now Senate Democrats are saying 224 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 7: that they don't want to fund this building to vote 225 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 7: for it, and that means the fate of the larger 226 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 7: package is now uncertain as well. So Democrats are calling 227 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 7: for new restrictions on ice and a full investigation into 228 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 7: the shooting. And they're also calling for the Department of 229 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 7: Homeland Security bill to be separated from the rest of 230 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 7: the package, but of course doing so would cause new delay, 231 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 7: so that situation is also very uncertain. 232 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: Okay to you, Ada Bio, Thank you very much for 233 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: joining us with the latest Stay with us. More from 234 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Daybreak Europe coming up after this. 235 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: Now, last week's tensions between the US and Europe over 236 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: Greenland have again highlighted the security challenges that the continent 237 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: faces and its reliance on the United States. The new 238 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: US National Defense strategy published on Friday, restates American priorities 239 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: for Europe to take on more responsibility for its own defenses. 240 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: Our Bussels Bureau chief Suzanne Lynch joins US for more now. 241 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: Has the ramping up of threats against Greenland from the 242 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: US changed the conversation in Europe about defense in terms 243 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: of both spending and also autonomy from the United States? 244 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: I mean, how much has it ratcheted up that change? 245 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 8: I think it has. I think the events of last 246 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 8: week have really shaken the European scene and decision makers 247 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 8: in Brussels and across the continent. As you said there, 248 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 8: I mean, this conversation about Europe's need to ramp up 249 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 8: defense has been happening for a few years, for almost 250 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 8: four years now as we approach that anniversary of the 251 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 8: full scale invasion of Ukraine in twenty twenty two, and 252 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 8: there has been a lot of change, and we've seen 253 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 8: a huge shift in attitudes towards spending. For example, from Germany, 254 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 8: which is really culturally as well as defense wise, very 255 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 8: very significant given that it's the biggest power. Because of 256 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 8: historic reasons there there was always there a look by 257 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 8: Germany to lead on this. We also saw the NATO 258 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 8: summit last year in the summer in the Hague, which 259 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 8: saw member states and members of NATO commit it's a 260 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 8: greater spending on defense. 261 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: So it's been looking. 262 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 8: There's been a lot more. But I think what's happened 263 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 8: last week is realization. I mean, I think all leaders 264 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 8: meeting in Brussels on Thursday night reunited in the realization 265 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 8: that Europe needs to stand on his own when it 266 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 8: comes to the economy and when it comes to defense. 267 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 8: But of course how to do that is a bit 268 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 8: more tricky. 269 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: And so Xander, have been efforts, as you say, being 270 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: made across the continent to ramp up investment in defense. 271 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: Of course the increased commitment to NATO spending as well, 272 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: but the your opinion, has also been trying to help 273 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: member states with this effort as well. How effective have 274 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: those plans been so far? 275 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 8: Yes, I mean the EU and URSUA under Lyon has 276 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 8: said a lot that she has now focused on defense 277 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 8: as an issue. However, look, being honest, Stephen, I mean 278 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 8: the EU is limited and what it can do in 279 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 8: defense this is more a challenge for nature. I think 280 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 8: now the EU has set up some programs, the Safe 281 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 8: Loan program for example, where countries and in some cases 282 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 8: third party countries can apply for loans if you like. 283 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 8: At fun defense that has been that is new, that 284 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 8: has been had a huge take up for example. That's 285 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 8: positive in terms of the EU trying to kick start 286 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 8: defense spending, but ultimately it becomes a decision for budgets 287 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 8: and national capitalist national governments who are trying to always 288 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 8: compete with different priorities when it comes to spending. But 289 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 8: we have seen individual countries increase their spending on this sector. 290 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 8: But look, there are a lots about with the European 291 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 8: defense sector, particularly it's fragmented nature and its dependence on 292 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 8: the US. And look, one of the issues that's emerged 293 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 8: from last week is the question can Europe continue to 294 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 8: depend on US, not in terms of just a reliable 295 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 8: partner in nature, but actually as a producer and provider 296 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 8: of defense equipment. You know, a lot of the defense 297 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 8: infrastructure and countries are dependent on the US. For example, 298 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 8: Alexander stud the Finished president, said last week that his 299 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 8: country's fleet of US made fighters needs the United States. 300 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 8: They can't fly without the US because they need spare 301 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 8: parts and hardware and software updates, and there's conversations going 302 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 8: on in the UK now about how interdependent they are 303 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 8: for the US and is the US a reliable partner 304 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 8: in the same way when it comes to defense. So 305 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 8: a lot of challenges at facing the sector. 306 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are all of this happening as the diplomatic 307 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: efforts to try to end the war in Ukraine have accelerated. 308 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: There have been these trilateral talks which have involved the 309 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: US over the weekend. But then how much progress has 310 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: been made? 311 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean Vladimir Zelenski, the Ukrainian President, gave a 312 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 8: press conference in Lithuania on Saturday, and he said the 313 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 8: progress had been made during the talk, but he said 314 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 8: a deal, those still compromise. So he's call you as officials. 315 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 8: We're calling these talks and Abujabi constructive and on February 316 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 8: first there will be a resumption of discussions in some way. 317 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 8: So look, a lot of what he was saying was 318 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 8: repeating what he'd said the previous week that really Ukraine 319 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 8: and the US have agreed to this kind of a 320 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 8: post war structure. This agreement obviously the Russia has not yet. 321 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 8: But look, all of this has taken place as Ukraine 322 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 8: is under pressure from Russia which has launched thousands now 323 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 8: of attack drones on Kiev. The city and other parts 324 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 8: of Ukraine have been under pressure as they faced power 325 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 8: outages due to these huge Russian airs strikes. So look, 326 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 8: I think it's an illustration of how much is at 327 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 8: stake here still in this war. 328 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 329 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 330 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast speed every morning on Apple, Spotify, 331 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 2: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 332 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 333 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 334 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 335 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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