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Speaker 2: I'm good. I am trying to figure out when this

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Speaker 1: If Michigan goes out there this year, they should have

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Speaker 2: And he's getting what I'm sure he wants, which is

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Speaker 1: Yeah brood. Yeah, he has a brute. He has no

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Speaker 1: desire to up and move. So he's happy where he's

439
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Speaker 1: at Cincinnati is thrilled to have a coach of his caliber.

440
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Speaker 1: He'd probably only leave for Ohio State or Notre Dame.

441
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Speaker 1: Those are the two schools that we've heard in the past.

442
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Speaker 1: Who knows about Notre Dame in the future, but Ohio

443
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: State for the presence in a pretty good spot as well.

444
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Speaker 1: So I don't think Luke Fickle's going anywhere. They're going

445
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Speaker 1: to move to the Big twelve. I don't think he

446
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Speaker 1: really feels like there's any great weight on his shoulders.

447
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he wants to win. I'm sure he wants

448
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: to make the team better. He's going to have his

449
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 1: work cut out for him, being so he had so

450
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Speaker 1: much NFL talent walk out the door. But Luke Fickle

451
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: truly is in a position where he can kind of

452
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Speaker 1: have it however which way he wants, and he doesn't

453
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Speaker 1: have to worry about the weight of expectations or media

454
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Speaker 1: pressure or other jobs. Like he truly can do whatever

455
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Speaker 1: he damn well pleases.

456
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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially as a nice landing spot for guys in

457
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Speaker 2: the portal from the Midwest, where you're perhaps not staying

458
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Speaker 2: in the Big ten, You're not staying in the ACC

459
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Speaker 2: if you're coming from the East Coast something like that.

460
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Speaker 2: But you're playing at a major conference at a program

461
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: that is more and more proving to develop especially defensive

462
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 2: players and now obviously quarterback for the NFL. We'll see

463
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: if it takes for those guys. But those are big names.

464
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Speaker 2: Where did Sauce Gardner get taken?

465
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Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner five?

466
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Speaker 2: Top ten went to the Jets, but high pick, right,

467
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, top ten pick, So establishing that sort of

468
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: reputation enormous, enormous. I just had Cincinnati in the freedom

469
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Speaker 2: category of freedom from the storyline and narrative that a

470
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Speaker 2: G five team was not going to make the playoff.

471
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Speaker 2: Now that G five program is now about to become

472
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Speaker 2: a Big twelve program, but we are free from that

473
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Speaker 2: sort of ceiling regarding the college football playoff, even at

474
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Speaker 2: just four teams. So that's where I had Cincinnati in freedom.

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Speaker 1: If you are a Tennessee fan, do you feel like

476
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Speaker 1: you have been freed of that deep dark era from

477
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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen to twenty twenty.

478
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Speaker 2: Particularly continued continued Jeremy Pruitt, good vibes being gone.

479
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Speaker 1: I am talking specifically about that offense for about a

480
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: four to five year period where they were just dreadful,

481
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Speaker 1: just dreadful. And then Josh Hipel comes to town, puts

482
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Speaker 1: his offense in place, Hendon Hooker comes to town as

483
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Speaker 1: a transfer, and suddenly this is a top ten caliber

484
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Speaker 1: offense to scoring points in buckets totally. That level of

485
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Speaker 1: independence on offense is very exciting if you're a fan

486
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: of Big Orange, very very exciting to see that even

487
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: if you don't win right SEC is tough. Tennessee's always

488
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: got a tough schedule, but to have that offense, to

489
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Speaker 1: know that you're always a play away from putting on

490
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Speaker 1: the board is pretty damn exciting. And there was a

491
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Speaker 1: real stretch there. I went back and looked at scoring

492
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: offense statistics the Guarantano. Yeah, yeah, it was bad, man,

493
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: it was really bad. Now that they are kind of

494
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: on the rise down there, I think is pretty damn exciting.

495
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Speaker 1: You got to be thrilled to be rid of, to

496
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Speaker 1: be out from under that old offensive system.

497
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a certain relief that comes with knowing that

498
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: there is not a likely nightmare series of drives to

499
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Speaker 2: be unfolding, which is what we had with Tennessee for

500
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: a long time, that in any given game, Tennessee could

501
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: look strong for a quarter and a half.

502
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Speaker 3: But you knew something was coming.

503
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Speaker 2: You knew some sort of disastrous string of three straight

504
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: drives was coming and was going to end in a

505
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: horrific loss or something like that. And now the freedom

506
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Speaker 2: of having confidence that this is an offense on the rise.

507
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: Now there's not full on freedom in the future of Tennessee,

508
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Speaker 2: just because I think the CAA is still looking into

509
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: things with the Valls, So you know, we're not We're

510
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: not free from that kind of attention. But still, I

511
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: think the extended period of from the Jeremy Pruitt era,

512
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: I think it is worth talking about absolutely.

513
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Speaker 1: And let me ask you about a rival of Tennessee's. Okay,

514
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Speaker 1: is there a certain degree of independence that can be

515
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Speaker 1: gained through security, through things not changing, things not being dynamic, continuity, sure.

516
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: Free from the drama. How about no longer in your life? Yeah?

517
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Speaker 1: How about Alabama retaining its coordinators for an offseason?

518
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how Alabama fans would feel in

519
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: terms of relief over the continuity on defense at coordinator,

520
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: it's still a pretty good defense, And there were there

521
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: were definitely times where they didn't love this situation with

522
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: Bob but it's hard to like group everybody into a

523
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: single you know way of thinking. Yeah, continuity is nice,

524
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 2: but I truly believe it's doesn't It matters who who's

525
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: coordinating things. But if Nick Saban's there, I think things

526
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: fall into place. And if Alabama loses a game, it's

527
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: not because they're losing to a team that's clearly more

528
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: talented or clearly better prepared. You just lose sometimes, And

529
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Speaker 2: so I don't know if Alabama people fans specifically care

530
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: aggressively about assistant continuity when year over year results are

531
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Speaker 2: pretty similar.

532
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Speaker 1: Results are pretty similar, But it is one less thing

533
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: to worry about. That's true, and I'm sure Nick Saban

534
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: would say it's the kind of thing that gives him.

535
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Speaker 3: A little bit of freedom.

536
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Speaker 2: The SEC and college football as a whole, feel a

537
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: sense of and not having to deal with everybody on

538
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: that Georgia defense for last year. Yeah, yeah, that's nice.

539
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: That's where some fireworks that you don't have to deal

540
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: with any of those. Well, now you still deal with

541
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: a bunch of dudes on that Georgia defense. But Trevon

542
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: Walker and na Kobe Dean and Lewis I'm forgetting my

543
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: last names already, my pronunciations already. But that's a sense

544
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: of a beautiful backyard day without having to deal with

545
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: those guys. Ow Jalen Carter still there, the Ringo's still there.

546
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: There's a lot of dudes. But it's nice that historic

547
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: defense in Athens. Out the window, out the window.

548
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: All right, what else do you got?

549
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: All right? I have. I'm sure Oklahoma fans that's the

550
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: you know, the Lincoln Riley thing that they're free of,

551
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: the guy who didn't want to be there.

552
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Speaker 1: Better off without him, Dan right, better off off without him.

553
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've spent probably too much time on that. How

554
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: about this one, Michigan State definitively being free of the

555
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: experience of watching late stage Mark D'Antonio, do you remember

556
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: and I do? Do you remember the last I think

557
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: it was the last senior day of the D'Antonio era,

558
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: where there were one hundred and seventy three people in

559
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: the stadium, the end of Michigan State football, and that

560
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: era should be remembered fondly for on field results for

561
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: the most part, late go into the playoffs being free

562
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: and seeing Kenneth Walker and Peyton Thorn Jane Reid like

563
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: seeing full on guys on offense, making plays downfield, Go green,

564
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Speaker 2: go white. They don't forget the end of the Dantonio era,

565
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: and it was it was akin to watching a freak

566
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Speaker 2: occurrence in which like a setup man had to come

567
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: in to take an at bat. We're like, I don't

568
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: even know if he knows how to hold a bat. Yeah,

569
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: he's wearing a jacket, he's playing his fat bass what. Yeah,

570
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: it looks like he's right handed but wearing a lefti's helmet.

571
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: It's very difficult to see that this is going to work.

572
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: And some of those Rocky Lombardi games, all due respect

573
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: to a very successful NIU quarterback. We're tough. We're absolutely tough.

574
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: So yes, I will tip my cap to the feeling

575
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: of freedom from the late stage. Mark d'antonine.

576
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Speaker 1: I'm actually crying over here from late stage D'Antonio.

577
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: It's tough, man, It's real tough.

578
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure I wasn't the only one, but man.

579
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Speaker 2: It was. There was. I just remember looking late out

580
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: later on in the season and seeing like Northwestern and

581
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: Michigan State battling to see who would have the historically

582
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: worse offense, putting up like zero point six four points

583
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: per drive, something incredibly low where he's just like, I

584
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: don't know, this is major program. Michigan State has, you know,

585
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: some really fun, excellent teams in the last few years.

586
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: It sucks to see this, and so I'm happy for

587
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: them to have that sort of weight off of their

588
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: their minds.

589
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: Michigan State, by the way, in twenty nineteen was tied

590
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: for one hundred and fourth nationally with twenty two points

591
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: per game. And I think it makes it sound better

592
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: than it was, Yes, truly.

593
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I'm trying to think if I have so,

594
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: I have Virginia Tech breaking free of whatever it was,

595
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: the treadmill of mediocrity under Justin Flentey. Yeah, I think

596
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: that's that's worthwhile to talk about. I'm I'm hopeful. I

597
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: have no idea if there's reason to be hopeful, but

598
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful that Brent Prye and his massive hog allegedly

599
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: per messageboard geniuses gets it done. You know, Minnesota breaking

600
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: free of the Mike Sandford era on offense. Going back

601
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: to Kirk Sharrakai, I appreciate that. How about this one.

602
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: We got an acc season in which we had no

603
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: idea who the best team in the was in the conference,

604
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: and near the end of the season we actually had like, oh,

605
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: if they beat this team, then they get into the championship.

606
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: But if they lose to this team and that team

607
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: loses to that team, and they don't get in the championship.

608
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: But we had the sort of calculus of Wake Forest

609
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: and NC State and pitt and Clemson, and that was fun.

610
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: That was fun that the ACC was not and the

611
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: championship game was not a foregone conclusion in terms of

612
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: who's winning and who's participating. I dig that. I'm good

613
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: with it.

614
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

615
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Speaker 1: How about free of the divisional structure in the PAC twelve?

616
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah not this yere right, Well, there's still divisions, but

617
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: the championship doesn't necessarily involve the North versus the South.

618
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 1: For all intents and purposes, the divisions are already gone, right,

619
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Speaker 1: I'm merely a formality in twenty twenty two, but before

620
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: long we're going to see everybody do this is this

621
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: is the movement of the moment. Everyone's ditching their divisions

622
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: and run and lean.

623
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Don't know if that's a good thing.

624
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: Or a bad thing.

625
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 1: It definitely helps scheduling, Yeah, to some extent, and it

626
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: may help for better conference championship games, albeit maybe increasing

627
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: the likelihood of rematches and things like that. But otherwise,

628
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: I think we'll be free of the divisional structure before long,

629
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: and most of the conferences there are already five that

630
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: have done it.

631
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Speaker 3: I do think that.

632
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: Before long we will probably be free of this nil,

633
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: this current nil reality in which there is too much freedom.

634
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you think is going

635
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 2: to happen?

636
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: I think on some either federal or NCAA level, there

637
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: has to be legislation that gets passed, maybe not to

638
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: really curtail where things stand at the moment, but there

639
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: has to be I think just there have to be

640
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: more guidelines put in place. There has to be some

641
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: way to kind of make sure that everyone's playing within

642
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: the same boundaries, because right now now it's a total

643
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: freaking free for all. Nobody knows which ends up. There's

644
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: no way to enforce it. The NCAA claims that retroactively

645
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: they'll go back and look at some of these situations,

646
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: but we talked to Matt Brown. He openly acknowledges, like, dude,

647
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: there's no way they have the bandwidth to do all

648
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: of this. So I think before a while and there

649
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: will be some more structured, more rigid legislation, set of rules.

650
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Speaker 1: What have you put in place to help govern the

651
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: NIL space. I don't know if it'll necessarily make it

652
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: easier for folks like us to follow, but it would

653
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Speaker 1: be helpful. I'm sure the people who are involved with

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Speaker 1: to make sure that this is fair across the board.

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Speaker 2: I just want to point out that Ty hilden Brandt

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Speaker 2: Solid Verbal Media LLC inc S Corp. Whatever we are,

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Speaker 3: Not a sponsor.

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Speaker 2: Life Wallet not a sponsor could be and we'll say

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Speaker 1: I think where I'm going with this, though, is the

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Speaker 1: matter of collectives. Sure, collectives, I think are kind of

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Speaker 1: a very gray space at the moment. Who is dealing

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Speaker 1: with the collectives? What kind of sway do collectives have?

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Speaker 1: Even though I don't mind the possibility of a bunch

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Speaker 1: of rich boosters pulling their money together to go out

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Speaker 1: and get a top recruit. I'm okay with that generally.

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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of always happened. Yeah, the situation

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Speaker 1: that bothers me is the boosters superseding the coach. Sure,

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Speaker 1: the situations that we've described all off season whereby the

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Speaker 1: recruiting group really likes a kid, they're going to pay

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Speaker 1: that kid X amount of money to go out commit

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Speaker 1: to the school, and the cod wh doesn't really want

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Speaker 1: that player.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I think there's communication. I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: a matter like I think there is communication between collectives

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Speaker 2: and recruiting departments. But I think what you're going to

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Speaker 2: run into, and this is I think, what could happen.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll have to actually hear if it

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Speaker 2: does happen. Is this financial investment in somebody's name, image

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Speaker 2: and likeness rights, and then that player not playing, and

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Speaker 2: then they're being pressure on the coach because there's an

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Speaker 2: investment that suddenly you have sort of shadowed gms. Isn't

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Speaker 2: that like a baseball thing in which the GM or

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Speaker 2: people in the front office are making decisions about lineups

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Speaker 2: and when to substitute pitchers and all you know, bringing

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Speaker 2: somebody from the bullpen, whereas like the manager is losing power.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of a thing in other sports. I know

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Speaker 2: it's a thing in basketball too, where there's like the

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Speaker 2: analytics feel a certain way about, you know, what different

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Speaker 2: lineups should be. Yeah, I think it could absolutely happen,

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Speaker 2: whether it happens before they.

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Speaker 1: Get there, just as they arrive, or after they're there

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Speaker 1: for a season. It does set up this scenario in

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Speaker 1: which the boosters have control over the team and the

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Speaker 1: team construction and the coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And though I'm fine with this new reality, the new

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Speaker 1: variables that are introduced here, the odd situations that we

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Speaker 1: find ourselves talking about because of NIL, I'm ultimately still

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Speaker 1: a football fan and I want to see football, and

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Speaker 1: I want to see programs get better. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they necessarily get better because the booster tells

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Speaker 1: the coach who should be playing. It does not seem

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Speaker 1: like a productive situation to me. So it gets more

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Speaker 1: interesting for us to talk about. It gets more interesting

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Speaker 1: hashtag content. Yeah, Okay, this is how I make my

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Speaker 1: money now, so I guess I have to be okay

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Speaker 1: with it.

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Speaker 2: But verballers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: That being said, yeah, I do think those who are

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Speaker 1: directly involved with this would probably appreciate a little bit

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Speaker 1: more of a and I'm drawing a box here on

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Speaker 2: John Ruiz solid verbal at gmail dot com. A sponsor

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Speaker 2: not a sponsor, could be absolutely. I don't know. I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to think if there are any other like obvious

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Speaker 2: situations in the sport. I'm sure we missed many, but

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Speaker 2: those are the obvious ones. I mean, I didn't mention

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Speaker 2: liberty in New Mexico State, Jacksonville State, and Sam Houston

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Speaker 2: joining Conference USA. Do you know who these are? The

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Speaker 2: teams that Conference USA again bringing it full circle lost

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Speaker 2: in this freedom Round? Okay, Charlotte, YEP, Florida, Atlantic, North Texas, Rice,

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Speaker 2: uab Utsa All going to the American Marshall Old Dominion,

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Speaker 2: Southern miss going to the fun Belt along with James Madison.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's a lot, it's a lot of change.

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Speaker 2: It's not the greatest addition I would say for Conference USA.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they got stronger necessarily, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's been a year of great change and administrative and

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Speaker 2: portal fireworks.

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Speaker 1: I like the way you brought that full circle. So

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Speaker 1: here is the deal. This episode, again for our Patreon

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Speaker 1: for Ballers, will drop on July the third. You will

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Speaker 1: have it in time for your cookouts. Again, if you

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Speaker 1: are we to judge, True, it's an option for you

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Speaker 1: if you are ever so inclined. For Ballers dot com

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Speaker 1: is where you can go and find out more information

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Speaker 1: about that. We will be posting on social media across Instagram,

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Speaker 1: across Twitter, across really all of our channels. We want

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Speaker 1: to get your take on these freedom slash independence situations

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Speaker 1: that you think are particularly interesting going into twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two looking back on twenty twenty one. Frankly, any college

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Speaker 1: football scenario that makes sense, because as we turn into

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Speaker 1: July fourth here, as the fireworks are booming and the

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Speaker 1: dogs are bar working inevitably, there are clearly many situations

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Speaker 1: that we missed and we want to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing for the fourth what's the plan?

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Speaker 2: What are you hanging with? Who are you cooking with?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Frankly, Because we're doing this show early,

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Speaker 1: it means that we have the day off.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And I believe you're going to be traveling. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'll be on the road. I'm traveling before then, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: You're traveling beyond before then. Yeah, you'll be on the

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Speaker 1: road to be away from the home office. I am

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Speaker 1: hoping to fire up the grill and cook some sort

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Speaker 1: of July fourth related food, whether that's or a dog

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Speaker 1: or just some corn on the grill. Love grill and

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Speaker 1: a corn on the grill. I don't have any definitive

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Speaker 1: plans at this point, how about you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my brother and his wife are coming up. It's

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Speaker 2: I'll be in California. They live at another place in California.

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Speaker 2: They're in Orange County. So I think he's gotten super

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Speaker 2: into barbecue, and I think he may be making a

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Speaker 2: brisket and some ribs, and so maybe I'll just be

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Speaker 2: dealing with the side dishes or making other stuff on

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Speaker 2: the grill. You know, burgers and dogs. There's I always

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Speaker 2: it's both disgusting and the best. I get chili from

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Speaker 2: a there's a fast food chain called Tommy's in California.

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Speaker 2: I get the chili from Tommy's. Put those on the

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Speaker 2: burgers and dogs. I'll probably grow up, some corn, maybe

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Speaker 2: some baked beans. I don't know what else. I really

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Speaker 2: like making a blueberry crumble. I've posted that recipe I

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Speaker 2: think that I use on July fourth. It's just it's great.

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Speaker 2: It's the best, and I think that's it. Some cold beer.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, nothing crazy, but you drink some family,

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Speaker 2: a couple of friends, a cold beer, a cold beer,

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Speaker 2: a cold takata. Not a sponsor, could be, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's there's a lot better in life

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Speaker 2: than eating and hanging out in an outside situation on

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Speaker 2: July fourth. It's just the best.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, wherever you may be, we wish you a

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Speaker 1: happy fourth of July. Yes, please be safe, Please do

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Speaker 1: enjoy your cookout, whatever your situation is, many of you

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Speaker 1: will be listening to this on July fifth, So we

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Speaker 1: hope that if you're listening to us after the fact,

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Speaker 1: that you had a good July fourth, and that you

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Speaker 1: were safe and happy and healthy and had a good

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Speaker 1: time with family and friends. We will be back on

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Speaker 1: Thursday talking more things college football. We are staring down

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Speaker 1: the barrel, mister Rubinstein of our twenty twenty two college

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Speaker 1: football previews. Yes, and as this is, of course, the

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Speaker 1: week of July fourth. As we get into bid July.

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Speaker 1: Just as we did last year, we have more exciting

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Speaker 1: things to announce as we get into the month of July,

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Speaker 1: So hang around, wait for that next week. Ricky Williams

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