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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal Hell that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 1: for a day? Ato steak? Is that woo woom?

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Speaker 2: And Dan and Tie, welcome back to the solid verbal

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Speaker 1: My name is Ty hilden Brandt.

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Speaker 2: That guy over there, for those of you watching the

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Speaker 2: video on Patreon, his name, of course, is Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 2: We are the solid verbal Dan. How are you pretty good?

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Speaker 1: Pretty good? I got some grocery shopping done today. I

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Speaker 1: went for a run yesterday, I showered yesterday. These are

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Speaker 1: not daily things for me anymore with a newborn and

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Speaker 1: had some twigs, some mini twigs earlier because Jody with

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Speaker 1: So things are just clicking. Tie and I get to

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Speaker 1: talk to you. Now, you get to talk to me.

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Speaker 1: You get to talk to the verballerhood. We've been advertising

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Speaker 1: this show. I'm talking in hushed revered tones. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: did Kate find out about the How's Your Marriage? Show? No?

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Speaker 1: A no, did you ask her what you brought to

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Speaker 1: the relationship? But I need to close the door. Hold on,

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Speaker 1: close the door, close the door, close the door. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean people on Patreon know what we're talking about

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Speaker 1: But if you know, you know is what we like

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Speaker 1: to say on the program here. Yeah, so you didn't

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Speaker 1: ask Kate. No, this is my cue for your a.

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Speaker 1: You did not ask Kate what you tie bring to

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Speaker 1: that discussion before in the past. Okay, good, good, good good. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So this is we're doing a Q and A show,

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Speaker 1: So oftentimes what we do on this show is we

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Speaker 2: So you had the bright idea, and I just had

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Speaker 1: It's not as bad as I thought. It's a lot

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Speaker 1: of it. Continue to pose the question to the wonderful

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Speaker 1: for baller hood and say, folks, what do we get

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Speaker 1: wrong consistently?

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Speaker 2: What do I tie? What do you Dan? What do

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Speaker 2: we consistently get wrong in our analysis, in the way

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Speaker 2: So before us we have our trust to Google document,

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Speaker 2: of course, as we always do, with a page and

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Speaker 1: Just line after line after line after line. There's like

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Speaker 1: thirty five of these things here, Yeah, of the best ones. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: you guys, if you're watching, you get to see me

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Speaker 1: wearing the Dodger hat that I wear pretty much every day,

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Speaker 1: for probably seven dollars in twenty thirteen. Shall we get

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Speaker 1: started with what we think each other gets wrong? Dan? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Sure we can do that too. So we, as you

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Speaker 2: Tell me what I get wrong?

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Speaker 2: these guys know what they're talking about. Hey, there's a

432
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Speaker 2: lot of money on the line.

433
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Speaker 1: It's got to work. They've got it's a perfect fit

434
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Speaker 1: all these things.

435
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Speaker 2: Never was it more apparent to me that I do

436
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Speaker 2: this than when I started saying nice things about the

437
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Speaker 2: Jedfish higher at Arizona. Hmm, yeah, because that it's very clear.

438
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 2: It's not even in like the fine print. It's very

439
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: clear that some people like the president of the university

440
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: I think, really like the hire, and everybody else was like,

441
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Speaker 2: hmm yeah, not so sure about that, right. So, though

442
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Speaker 2: my default state is to say something nice and to

443
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Speaker 2: be optimistic, even the people involved in that hire weren't

444
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Speaker 2: all that optimistic about it. And so perhaps Jedfish is

445
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Speaker 2: going to be the ultimate barometer for this. But I

446
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: am guiltiest charge. I am one hundred percent guilty of charge.

447
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Speaker 2: You got me this.

448
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Speaker 1: This item was submitted with the names Lane Kiffen and

449
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Speaker 1: Sam Pittman. I watched a good amount of Arkansas and

450
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Speaker 1: all missed this year and that's generally why. And I

451
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: watched a good amount of ole miss in Arkansas these

452
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Speaker 1: last few years. Not full games with commercials and everything,

453
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Speaker 1: but extend everyone. You watch drives and you watch you know,

454
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: sped up games, and you scrub through it quickly. And

455
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Speaker 1: there is always to me something really exciting about a

456
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Speaker 1: coach who takes a clearly flawed team and gets their

457
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Speaker 1: act together. And there's just there is that special something

458
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Speaker 1: to me about somebody seeming like the right guy in

459
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Speaker 1: year one, because the team goes from looking uninterested or

460
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Speaker 1: disinterested and unorganized, disorganized and not looking like they want

461
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Speaker 1: to be there, not looking like they belong to fighting

462
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Speaker 1: hard to winning games, to looking competitive. That I just

463
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Speaker 1: I hate bad football, like seeing a seventy seven to

464
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Speaker 1: three interconference game, be it you know, Arkansas Rutgers, Oregon State,

465
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Speaker 1: Kansas like that, It's not fun for me. So when

466
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Speaker 1: there is a situation like Arkansas and Sam Pittman, who

467
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Speaker 1: finally after being this really well known position coach, and

468
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Speaker 1: it seems like an out of the box higher right,

469
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Speaker 1: it's always going to be like the hot offensive coordinator

470
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Speaker 1: who's hired for these big jobs or a guy who's

471
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Speaker 1: like an also ran or a stud smaller school head

472
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Speaker 1: coach gets a job in the SEC or the Big ten.

473
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Speaker 1: What have you? So when you have a different way

474
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Speaker 1: of hiring, which is Sam Pittman, somebody who seemed to

475
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Speaker 1: be well liked position coach and has developed guys along

476
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Speaker 1: a position group really successfully over many years, he gets

477
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Speaker 1: a shot. You're like, I like that somebody went in

478
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Speaker 1: a different direction, and I like that people up here

479
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Speaker 1: from many hundreds, if not thousands of miles away, seem

480
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Speaker 1: to be buying in. See that the transfers are coming in.

481
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Speaker 1: The offensive progress is clear. He resonates with hiring Kendall

482
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Speaker 1: bryle Bury ot, I'm like, there is something about that,

483
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Speaker 1: just like, okay, there's something that resonates with that with me,

484
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Speaker 1: and it's for like Lane Kiffen specifically. They had a crazy, fun,

485
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Speaker 1: explosive office. I don't know what a miss ceiling is. Yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: but is Lane?

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Speaker 2: See like, I feel like Lane's a bad example. I'm

488
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Speaker 2: guilty as charged on this, I'll admit it. Well, that's

489
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Speaker 2: also narrative driven too, right it is. But Lane Kiffin

490
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Speaker 2: is not a a so an up and coming coach

491
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Speaker 2: that we are too quick to get high on Lane.

492
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Speaker 2: Kiff has been a coach for a long time, right,

493
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Speaker 2: I don't think we can classify him as an up

494
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Speaker 2: and coming coach. But he's a new coach at ole Miss.

495
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Speaker 2: He's a new coach at ole Miss. He's a known

496
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Speaker 2: quantity in a way that Sam Pittman surely was not

497
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Speaker 2: in year one at Arkansas. So again, guilty is charge.

498
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Speaker 2: I think Lane's a bad example where we want to

499
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Speaker 2: go next.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was just going to say, with those two,

501
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Speaker 1: you're also talking about an sec where Ole Miss has

502
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Speaker 1: dropped to really low levels. Arkansas has dropped to really

503
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Speaker 1: low levels. So we hope for good games, and so

504
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: we talk ourselves into it, and it's all rooted in

505
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Speaker 1: the hope for more good games. We hope for Ole

506
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Speaker 1: Miss challenging Alabama like they did in years past, and

507
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Speaker 1: like they did last year. We hope for Arkansas doing

508
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: the very same thing. So I think it's rooted in

509
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Speaker 1: hope and seeing a movement forward in year one and

510
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Speaker 1: hoping that progression continues. Actually, where are we going? Let

511
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Speaker 1: me jump in. Yeah, I think we can have a

512
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Speaker 1: good debate about this one. Okay.

513
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Speaker 2: Somebody writes in one thing that we get wrong. USC

514
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Speaker 2: was never actually that great. It was the same state

515
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Speaker 2: out I've said that, Yeah, more of a circumstance of

516
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Speaker 2: a down conference, with the implication being that the right

517
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Speaker 2: coach couldn't make them a consistent playoff contender. This is

518
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Speaker 2: something that you've argued. Yes, I don't think I've ever

519
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Speaker 2: argued that USC wasn't great. I think I'm more argued,

520
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: and maybe I can clarify this if we're going to

521
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Speaker 2: go back to takes on a USC stretch from like

522
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Speaker 2: two thousand and three to two thousand and nine. Although

523
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Speaker 2: I know that like it's always going to hang over

524
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Speaker 2: the modern program when you reach that level.

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Speaker 1: I think they were great. I think it's a tougher

526
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Speaker 1: place to be great, and I think it's much more

527
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: just dumb luck lightning in a bottle that I mean.

528
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Speaker 1: USC tried to hire Mike Riley, they tried to hire

529
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Speaker 1: Mike Blatti. Pete Carroll ended up I think being their

530
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: fourth choice. So that their fourth choice happened to grow

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Speaker 1: into an amazing college football coach and and then a

532
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Speaker 1: really strong NFL coach. Was nothing that anybody in Heritage

533
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Speaker 1: Hall knew was going to happen orlo he would have

534
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Speaker 1: been their first choice. So every school, aside from probably

535
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Speaker 1: modern Alabama or the Alabama saban Era, is a beneficiary

536
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Speaker 1: of great context within their conference, be it Clemson, be

537
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. If Michigan were extremely strong right now,

538
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: wile State probably wouldn't beat him by forty every year.

539
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: And so there's nothing Ohio State can do about it

540
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: except strive for excellence. But what USC did was destroy

541
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Speaker 1: the Pac twelve for a number of years, and then

542
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: Oregon got good with Chip Kelly and Pete Carroll ran

543
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: away scared, and USC couldn't find another Pete Carroll. And

544
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Speaker 1: so here's what I would posit to you. I think

545
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Speaker 1: this is and I think USC could be excellent. I

546
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Speaker 1: don't know how well USC can attract that next incredible

547
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level coach. Which schools are the most

548
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: average coach proof, which schools can can win ten games

549
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 1: with average coaches most years?

550
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Speaker 2: Because it's not USC, No, well, it's clearly not USC.

551
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Speaker 2: My point here is that greatness is very relative and

552
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Speaker 2: in the sports world, very temporary.

553
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: Hmm.

554
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: What we see going on right now with Alabama, with Clemson,

555
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: to some extent with Ohio State, Like I think it's

556
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Speaker 2: I think it's it feels pretty rare that you have

557
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: a triumvirate like that that's just so dominant atop the

558
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: sport for as long a period of time as we have.

559
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: We've always had blue bloods, sure, but it feels like

560
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: the dominance on all three fronts has been remarkable to watch.

561
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: USC was great for a moment in time. The program

562
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: has obviously taken some turns. There were sanctions that I

563
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: think crippled that program and knocked them down a couple pegs.

564
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: You know, certainly they've had a hard time finding that

565
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: coach to get back to that to that same level.

566
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Speaker 2: They may never find that coach. It may have been

567
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: a lightning in a bottle situation. So is the program

568
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: itself now great? Probably not. We've seen it be pretty

569
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Speaker 2: damn average. We've played the Hudson News game with Clay Hilton.

570
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Speaker 2: It's very unspectacular at the moment, despite the fact that

571
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Speaker 2: they're in a recruiting hotbed. Were they great back in

572
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: the day and age with Matt Lioner and Reggie Bush and.

573
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Speaker 1: Those teams were awesome? Definitely, those teams were awesome. So

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Speaker 1: I take issue with They were never actually that great.

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Speaker 2: Those teams were freaking awesome. They were awesome, They were

576
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Speaker 2: fun to watch. They may not have had this sustainable

577
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: success for myriad reasons that an Alabama or a Clemson

578
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: does now. But yeah, those teams were great. They were

579
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Speaker 2: absolutely great.

580
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had a tough time with Oregon State.

581
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: Tough time with Oregon State. But who does how Vallas

582
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: is a weird place. Uh No, I think it's you know,

583
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Speaker 2: I think that a lot goes into us C. I

584
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: think had USC hired Urban Meyer, I think they would

585
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Speaker 2: win eleven games every year. Again, but I think there

586
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: are reasons coaches like Urban Meyer don't want to go

587
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: to USC as well. I think there's there are specific

588
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: challenges to USC that are hard to overcome.

589
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Speaker 1: That's all. Yeah, what else we want to talk about?

590
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: Michael Dyer was not down. I thought we had gotten

591
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Speaker 1: past this.

592
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: Dan. I was on the field, sir or madam, I

593
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: had a pretty you were on the field in a

594
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Speaker 2: cold sweat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was on the field. Though we were right

596
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: than fielding that great vantage. Okay, here we go.

597
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody says we're wrong that Northwestern is boring. Northwestern

598
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: pretty much plays more nail bighter games than any team

599
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: in college football. I would pause it. The reason that

600
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: they're in the nail bighter games is because the offense

601
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: is boring and they have to win exclusively through defense.

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00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: Right yeah, okay, so that's my point. Northwestern is boring

603
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Speaker 1: because we know Northwestern could be exciting and Northwestern, which

604
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: is seems like they're doing the right thing by I'm

605
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: trying to look up Northwestern's team history of offenses. It's

606
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: not pretty, as we can imagine. It's a lot of

607
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: offenses in the nineties, hundreds, whatever. Northwestern games are fun

608
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: in a certain way because it's thirteen seventeen, they're down

609
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: and they're driving. There is an element of that, okay,

610
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: what's going to happen at the end of this game,

611
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: Like it's coming down to the final drive, and that's fun.

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00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: The problem is, when you've watched a full game of

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Speaker 1: Northwestern football and they've scored thirteen points, it's hard to

614
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: get really excited that they're going to drive eighty three

615
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: yards for a game winning touchdown.

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00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: From the thirty eight yard line. Now, I'm sorry, that's

617
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: boring football. It's boring football, and they are to phrase

618
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: that they're able to teach effort and tenacity and develop

619
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Speaker 2: NFL level talent on defense.

620
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Speaker 1: More often than they are on offense. I think maybe

621
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Speaker 1: the number two offensive tackle Rashaan Slater is from Northwestern

622
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: in this upcoming draft. But the fact is they run

623
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: an offense that has long been there to serve the defense,

624
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: to control the ball, to give the defense some rest,

625
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: and maybe to grind out, you know, a few touchdowns.

626
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: But it's a personal preference in that excitement to me

627
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: comes from creative, interesting speed on offense, right, and that

628
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: it just hasn't been the case in probably over a

629
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Speaker 1: decade with Northwestern. I mean, you go back to when

630
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: Randy Walker was like a true modern pioneer of the

631
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: spread offense with that like crazy shootout I think as

632
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: Michigan around the turn of the century, and you thought

633
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Speaker 1: to yourself, man, this is one of those schools that's

634
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: punching of its talent weight class because they're creative and fast,

635
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: and they're you know, confusing defenses across the country, more

636
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: talented defenses NFL, you know, filled defenses. And then Pat

637
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald for a long time just remained very stubborn and

638
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: keeping around his offensive coordinator being satisfied with an offense

639
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: that underwhelmed but was good enough to get the team

640
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: to nine and three and to win a down West.

641
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: It's just it doesn't make for it. If you're trying

642
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: to convince me to watch your TV show, it's hard

643
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: to sell it on The shots are always in focus

644
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: and well lit. I need more, I need more.

645
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: And look, people have written in to me specifically it

646
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: have said that, not as part of this exercise, but

647
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Speaker 2: throughout the years and have said, well, one thing that

648
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: I get wrong is that I always, I always AerR

649
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: on the side of offensive football being exciting.

650
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

651
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: You know, the whole defense wins championship's crowd and that

652
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: for a lot of people, that old slugfest that style

653
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: of football can be equally as exciting.

654
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: And that's true.

655
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: That that's one vantage point. It doesn't do it for me.

656
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't do it for me. I think two things

657
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: can be true at the same time. I think Northwestern's

658
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: offense could be boring as hell and underwhelming, and they

659
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: could go into some games against much better competition and

660
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: get drilled and sort of prove the point. At the

661
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: same time, Pat Fitzgerald being an innovative coach who has

662
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: done amazing things in Evanston. Is he innovative or is

663
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: he just good? He's good, I don't know, he's something.

664
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: He's got to be innovative to win with the talent

665
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: that he's had at his disposal. I think both those

666
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: things can be true. Northwestern can be boring. Pat Fitzgerald

667
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: can be a genius. Northwestern can be a team that

668
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: we root for and do root for. Hell, you live there, now,

669
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 2: you're the hometown earlier.

670
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: Yep, you know.

671
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: So these are all things that can be true about Northwestern.

672
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: There is something to be said for capitalizing on the circumstances.

673
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: As we mentioned with USC, the Big ten West has

674
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: been down, it's been down. Who you got Wisconsin who

675
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: has been kind of the notable second fiddle? I'll wait, Minnesota, Okay,

676
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: they had a good year. Nebraska.

677
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: Now it's just Iowa, Wisconsin.

678
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: I know it's Iowa, it's Wisconsin. So you know, Northwestern

679
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: has done a really good job with that.

680
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Northwestern has won the division like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no,

681
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: relative to what they probably should. Yeah. Absolutely, there's a

682
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: defending champ. I think it's about balance and it's not

683
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: just a Northwestern thing. It's across the sport where if

684
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: you were to bite into a wing, it's great that

685
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: it's spicy, maybe a little sweetness, maybe a little tang,

686
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: maybe some saltiness. Like you want balance. You want balance

687
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: in all things. And if Northwestern is giving you strong

688
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: defense and an unwatchable offense, it's hard to pry my

689
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: attention away from other games.

690
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: It is here you go, Dan, Okay, Someone says they've

691
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: been listening since twenty twelve. Yes, you always pick Minnesota

692
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 2: against Wisconsin in the acts game. I swear he'll always

693
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: say something like, sky you Bob, give me the Gophers.

694
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: Did he have a bad experience with Badger fans or something?

695
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: And then somebody rides into the contrary that I always

696
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: trust the Gophers, and then I should never trust the Gophers.

697
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: I will never trust the Gophers again. The Gophers did

698
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: me dirty the way TCU has been over the years,

699
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: and no longer will I put any time, any energy,

700
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: any hard earned American currency behind the Gophers.

701
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: Full stop, take it. No bad experience with Wisconsin. I

702
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: tell people when they ask me what college towns they

703
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: should go to to watch games. Madison is extremely high

704
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: on the list. And my number one in the Big Ten.

705
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: I've always had a great time in Madison and Wisconsin,

706
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: and I have loved watching Wisconsin football. I think it's again,

707
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: it's more of the desire to see the power struck

708
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: sure up ended in every part of college football that

709
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, Wisconsin has done such a fantastic job, along

710
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: with Iowa, to a lesser extent, Northwestern. But I want

711
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: a good Minnesota. I like going to Minneapolis. I like

712
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: that there is a Gopher mascot for a college football team,

713
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: and not just any gopherhers Golden Gopher, a Golden Gopher.

714
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. So yeah, maybe it's just my desire to

715
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: see because we've also Minnesota is also one of those

716
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: schools that tends to when I think back to recent seasons,

717
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, looking at you, Jerry Kill and Tracy Clay's whatever,

718
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: we're like you look up and they're seven and one.

719
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: Huh what really, And you're like, all right, let's let's

720
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: beat Wisconsin. Then let's win something big near the end

721
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: of the season. And then they come up short. And

722
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: so I think it's just a desire to see an

723
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: upset and a fun game, And I get I get

724
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: talked into specific players, you know, whether it's Eric Decker

725
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: or Rashad Bateman, whatever it is, Lawrence Maroney, We're like,

726
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: that guy's pretty good. I like watching him and that

727
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: does it for me. I don't know, but no, nothing

728
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: against Wisconsin. Yeah, I'm I mean, if you look at

729
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: my dating career, my my short lived dating career, even

730
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: New York wherever, I'm very big ten focused. So no,

731
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: I don't discriminate. Somebody says that I call Baylor Baylor.

732
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: Okay, explain this to me that I call b a

733
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: y l O R b A I l O R.

734
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: How am I saying it versus how should I be

735
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: saying it?

736
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: I believe the Bears and the people who are in

737
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: Waco or went to school in Waco, they pronounced it

738
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: baylorre Baylor. I think it's the difference between bay Watch

739
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: and bail of Hay.

740
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: Baylor, not bailor Baylor. Baylor, Baylor bailor Baylor.

741
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, not bail. Like you know, how the woman's name

742
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: Haylor Haley can there's some that are h A y

743
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: and some that are h a I.

744
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: And it's Haley versus Haley Haley versus Haley Baylor Baylor, Baylor, Baylor,

745
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: just Baylor.

746
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: Baylor, Babe, baby, bye bye bye bye bye bye bye.

747
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rexss down phonetically next. I mean, isn't this

748
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: our I didn't even think about this. And it's not

749
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: Christmas time, it's not the holidays. Isn't this the airing

750
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: of the grievances? We've got a couple of dan is

751
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: too pessimistic about the Ducks. We got a couple of those.

752
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: Let me, let me come to your defense here.

753
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: Okay, they lost organs, eight lost organs. We we do

754
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: a national show, and whenever one of us is optimistic

755
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: about our teams, we get it on Twitter, we get

756
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: it through email. Another Homer pick that you talk too

757
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: much about Oregon, talk too much about Notre Dame. I

758
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: feel like there is kind of like, deep down inside

759
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: of us, we have that tick where we want to

760
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 2: try not to oversell our team too much.

761
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: Well, it's just not that fun to listen to.

762
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did, but we don't want to do it

763
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: because we don't want that feedback. I don't want feedback,

764
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: and I think that inherently makes us a little bit

765
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: more pessimistic.

766
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: Well, I just think it's we have a more realistic

767
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: view of everything, and it's hard to just be too

768
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: optimistic because you have the complete picture. Like I could say, ty,

769
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: I think Mama H is just the best. I think

770
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: she's awesome because in every single one of my experiences

771
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: she's been amazing. But you know Mama H more than

772
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: I do, so you could say yeah, but like we

773
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: all have weird days and we're like, Okay, I've never

774
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: caught Mama H on a weird day, so I don't know.

775
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: So when I am mystic about Oregon, I know about

776
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: this linebacker who struggles to tackle in the open field.

777
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: I know about this safety who gets caught looking in

778
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: play action, and so I overthink things because I'm looking

779
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: at a more complete picture than I am for most teams,

780
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: and so I also know what could go wrong in

781
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: ways that I don't necessarily know for Florida State or Tennessee,

782
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And so it's not hedging. But

783
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: I think it maybe is kind of my personality too,

784
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: to not get too high or too low. The Don

785
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: pellam Era, the end of the Don Pellamra had me actually,

786
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: by the end of our respective Foreign eight seasons, Notre

787
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: Dame's Foreign Eight season, Organ's four and eight season. You

788
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,959
Speaker 1: can't be angry, you just like you could. Yeah, they're bad,

789
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: they're bad at football, and it's okay most teams have

790
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: these years. But when you thought they would be okay

791
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 1: and they were terrible, that's when it's not fun, right,

792
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: It's it's exactly.

793
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the four and eight season was a don't cry

794
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: because it's over, smile because it happened.

795
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: Kind of thing. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know.

796
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: I think that there are times I've gotten the feedback

797
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 2: that I'm too pessimistic about Notre Dame. Yeah, and uh, well,

798
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: we've all watched Notre Dame. We've watched the guiltiest charged,

799
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: guiltiest charge. I've been especially pessimistic about him. Book, and

800
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: he might go down as the greatest quarterback in Notre

801
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 2: Dame history. Didn't do it for me, couldn't throw a

802
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: thirty yard pass, but be Clemson did be Clemson did

803
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: be Clemson. What else we got here? You tell me

804
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: we have a couple about Yeah, continue, Dan is too pious,

805
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: Oh too pious about teams who've had scandals for years after.

806
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: Hold on, let me look this up. Devoutly religious. I

807
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: think that I think this is meaning holier than now,

808
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: perhaps too holier than now, so making a hypocritical display

809
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: of virtue. Okay, okay, let's dive in. Do you agree

810
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: with this? Like do you think? I? Okay, So we

811
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: have a bunch of recent scand trying to think of

812
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: the program. So you have Baylor, you have Penn State,

813
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: are like the two biggie biggie ones of the past

814
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: decade or so, right, that had lasting effects in terms

815
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: of program reputation. But it's all over the sport as well, so.

816
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: You know a little bit maybe I I don't know

817
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: if I go to this extreme with it.

818
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's difficult because I think there's an element,

819
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: and I understand the element of a scandal happens and

820
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: the administration cleans house, you know, maybe like the president

821
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: fires the athletic director and all the coaches and every

822
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, everybody that was even remotely close to said

823
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: scandal wherever it happened. I think there's an element of, well,

824
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: they fired everybody, they hired an interim guy, they had

825
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: a disastrous season, and now the rebuild begins. When I

826
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: still think there's a stink on certain programs where it's

827
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: hard to like when the calendar flips from December thirty

828
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: first to jan one, say, can't wait to see what

829
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: Phil Steele says about this Falls team. And I try

830
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: to balance the stink that a program has because certainly

831
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: it's generally a larger rot than just like a head

832
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: coach or an athletic director or whatever, that there's some

833
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: sort of program wide or institution wide issue that needed

834
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: to be rectified. But also fans had nothing to do

835
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: with it. Players had nothing to do with it. Family

836
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: of the players had nothing to do with it. So

837
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: I try to sympathize and say, man, that sucks. That sucks,

838
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: and I just want to judge. You know, this Penn

839
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: State team, this group of nineteen year olds who stayed

840
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: at state college, or this group of you know, nineteen

841
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: to twenty year olds whatever in Waco that are just

842
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: trying to play football. But it's tough. It's just it's

843
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: tough because they're representing a place that handled things in

844
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: some way, and it's not limited to pend State in Baylor,

845
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: not Baylor. Baylor, Baylor that Baylor to handle things terribly

846
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: as an institution and to view that institution as new

847
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: a year after or two years after it's hard to

848
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: just be like binary and just like Okay, new year,

849
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: new thought. It's tough. Yeah.

850
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: See, I you know, I can think of instances, so

851
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: like Brian Kelly's not without scandal, right, He's not without scandal.

852
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly had the Forkliff situation. He's not without scandal.

853
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I'm not going to sit here and

854
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: say that you're you're too pious about that, holier than

855
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: thou about that, because that was a horrible thing. It's

856
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: a horrible thing, and you know, Kelly does bear some responsibility.

857
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: So I understand that perspective. I struggle to place the

858
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: appropriate label on how you've analyzed those situations over the years. Right, Well,

859
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: there's definitely there have definitely been moments where I'm thinking,

860
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: like Dan's getting a little carried away here. But but

861
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: I do understand the perspective. I feel that same way

862
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 2: too about me. But continue, Yeah.

863
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm not even trying to be critical.

864
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: No, no, it's fine, I'm I'm I I understand the spirit

865
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: of the comment. I do take issue with the word

866
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: pious or the holier than that aspect of it. So yeah,

867
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: but I I okay.

868
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there are because there are certain things that

869
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: coaches do. Our coaches say that the schools say, well,

870
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal, we're going to keep him around,

871
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: or like we reprimanded him. Like there are certain things

872
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: where like you're trying to see what is okay and

873
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: not okay in terms of the people who hold responsibility

874
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: at certain schools. And it's like, okay, did this coach

875
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: know about this thing? Is he's still employed? Well, who's

876
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: still employing him? And who employs that person? Like, oh,

877
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: this university is okay with this situation continuing, And so

878
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: if the situation is going to continue, I'm going to say, okay, well,

879
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: let's let's not say because it's a new year that

880
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: this person's reputation isn't what it is. That that to

881
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: me is difficult all times. And like college football is

882
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: just like a screwed up sport that we love dearly.

883
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: It's just kind of a reality.

884
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's sort of like the black Sheep sibling

885
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 2: where if you look too close, you're going to find

886
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: something under every rock. Yeah, you're going to find something

887
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: every under every rock. And also it's hard to respond.

888
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: It's hard to respond to this when we weren't given

889
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: specific examples like Dan was too pious about Baylor, or

890
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: Tan was too pious about Penn State, or Dan was

891
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: piss about Brian Kelly Notre Dame, Dan was too pious

892
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: about whatever USC's sanctions or what ever. I wish I

893
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: knew an example to talk about. No fair, all fair,

894
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: all fair to say, And you know, I just I

895
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: to your point.

896
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: I just it is a flawed sport. It's flawed sport.

897
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 2: I think if you look too close pretty much anywhere,

898
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: you're going to find stuff. And I know, just as fans,

899
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 2: you know, we try to we try to do our

900
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: best here to cover things in the right way, to

901
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: give attention to the things that we think matter. But

902
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: it's there are definitely times, more often than not, where

903
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: there's a moral dilemma like how do we cover this

904
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: here issue? Because we know that there's a lot of

905
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff in the sport that's not so great.

906
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, understand the spirit of it. I want to

907
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: get to this one here. There have been a lot

908
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: of Notre Dame ones that have come through.

909
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: This one is mostly snail mail. That was good.

910
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 2: That Tie says he's a Notre Dame fan, yet wants

911
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 2: them to join a conference. Plus, I think I heard

912
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: that he hasn't been to South Bend for a home

913
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: game in a decade.

914
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: Exclamation, Bark. You're only allowed to think one way if

915
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: you're a Notre Dame fan.

916
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: I remember the humanity, the humanity. I haven't been to

917
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 2: South Bend in a decade because we do our show

918
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: on a Sunday. Yeah, and that makes it hard, really

919
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: hard to do a podcast, national podcast. When I'm on

920
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: the road at a game and I can't watch all

921
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: the action, It's damn near impossible. So rather than go

922
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: an experienced game day at South Bend, really anywhere, I've

923
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: only been to a handful of games in the last

924
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: you know, however many years we've been doing this thing,

925
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: thirteen years. It's because of the show. It's for you

926
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: that I don't go to these games.

927
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I haven't been to Eugene since twenty eleven. The

928
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: last game I saw in Eugene. I've been to National

929
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: championship games, but the last game in Eugene I saw

930
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: was when Matt Barklay and USC beat Oregon. I forget

931
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: I think that organ miss a field goal something like that,

932
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: and it was an absolute joy to go back to Eugene.

933
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: But I haven't been there in a decade. I don't

934
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: think i've been to State College since twenty eleven? Really now,

935
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: is that? No? You've been? Because I remember getting a

936
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: text at some point it was it twenty eleven that

937
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: you were recognized in a bar in State College? Twenty eleven?

938
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: Did you go to a spring game or anything there? No? No,

939
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: twenty eleven it was the Nebraska game. But you haven't

940
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: been back to the town at all. No, I'm a

941
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: Notre Dame fan. Yes, I want them to join a conference.

942
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah I do. Okay, that makes me wrong. I'm happy

943
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: to be wrong, but I do. I want them to

944
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: join a conference. I hope that what we saw the

945
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: ACC makes them join a conference.

946
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: It was fun to have Notre Dame in conversations that

947
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: they're not usually in this past fall, in talking about

948
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: the ACC championship game, in talking about standings, and talking

949
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: about looking at their schedule and saying, man, there is

950
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: a cohesive theme to this schedule, and I can look

951
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: at this Notre Dame opponent and say, Okay, this is

952
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: how they did against this other Notre Dame opponent earlier

953
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: on in the year, and you can think about Notre

954
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: Dame in that in a more familiar context. And it's

955
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: not that, you know, Notre Dame football isn't fun to

956
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: watch if they're good and they're playing USC and Michigan

957
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: in North Carolina whatever. But to have those ties, no

958
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: pun intended throughout the schedule, those three points nice. It

959
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: was nice because Notre Dame on an Island is not

960
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: as fun because you're just like, oh wow, they're playing

961
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech this week and the next week they play

962
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: Michigan State. What are the implications if they lose to

963
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech when they play Michigan Cit or like they're none,

964
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: there are none, doesn't matter. But now that this, you know,

965
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: watching him in twenty twenty, there.

966
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 2: Was okay, we've got one other one here.

967
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: Recruiting rankings. Recruiting rankings. Yeah, well we have the one

968
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: about you hating ketchup. Oh yeah we can, and we

969
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 1: can end with you have what some sort of life

970
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: criticism about me in weather right? Well, I mean it's

971
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: not that I think Dan Klobakar also mentioned something about

972
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: that in the assuming recruiting rankings are accurate, when it's

973
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: just as likely that services will get it wrong. Okay, fair,

974
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: just so as likely. Here, here's the deal.

975
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: Recruiting rankings have gotten demonstrably better over the last decade.

976
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: There's just more money in it. They're more eyes on

977
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 2: the talent. It's easier to get recognized than ever if

978
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: you are a prospect. There's just more information. So I

979
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 2: think because there's more info, it's it's easier to get

980
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: it right. There's no doubt that recruiting rankings are still

981
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: very wrong on a number of guys. It's not always

982
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: their fault, though, because only half of the battle is

983
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: what kind of athlete these kids are in high school.

984
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: Once they get into a system, once they get into

985
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: you know, coaches foundation at their new school coaches, that's

986
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: when things go sideways. Yeah, that's when things can go sideways.

987
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 2: And it may not have as much to do about

988
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: whether the recruiting services got it wrong. Some kids just

989
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: aren't a good fit. So I take a little bit

990
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 2: of issue with just as likely.

991
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, just as likely isn't true. So I mean it's

992
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: a loaded topic, but basically, the recruiting services don't get

993
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: it wrong. Recruiting services are projecting the data that they

994
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: have is so crazy and complete with football because of

995
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: talent level, because of available video, which has gotten way

996
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: way better, like the ability to evaluate these guys at

997
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: camps competing. Its like, but they're not in pads at

998
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: all of these camps. And so this is like a

999
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: crazy and perfect science that was never expected to be perfect.

1000
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: And so we've gone over the reasons why schools miss

1001
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: on what becomes an All American or a first round

1002
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: pick or an NFL Hall of Fame or whatever. You know,

1003
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: it's late growth spurts, it's injuries, it's grades, it's transfers,

1004
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: it's all sorts of reasons that the coach who is

1005
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: recruiting them leaves and then that school is no longer.

1006
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: You know, a new guy comes in and he's got

1007
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: his own recruits. There are crazy situations across the sport,

1008
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: and so we it always happens around NFL Draft time

1009
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: where they're like JJ Watt was a two star and

1010
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: look what he did with his life. Well, he was

1011
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: a two star tight end. He went to Central Michigan

1012
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: and he became a walk on defensive end at Wisconsin. Like,

1013
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: there's context to a lot of these stories, and also

1014
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: we look at that it's it's become an industry based

1015
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: on what essentially now three sometimes four ratings indicators a

1016
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: two star, three star, four star, five star, which doesn't

1017
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: leave a lot of room for nuance. Like maybe if

1018
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: it were like an A plus AA minus B plus

1019
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: I know, twenty four to seven that has like the

1020
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: numbering system like at an eighty seven fifty one, I

1021
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: don't know what that means. It's I guess it's a

1022
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: B plus ish. So the star system doesn't leave a

1023
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: lot for nuance. But what the star system does do

1024
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: is say, okay, this person. I think Brandon Hoffman talked

1025
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: about it on the show. What a five star is,

1026
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: what a four star is, what a three star is?

1027
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: For example, Yeah, a three star is a clear college

1028
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: football player who has potential to be a contributor at

1029
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: the very least. A four star is that same thing,

1030
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: but with a physically really impressive starting point that they're

1031
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, tall and strong and they run quickly, and

1032
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: a five star is both of those things, but special

1033
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 1: in a way that separates them from somebody who looks

1034
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: like a contributor and is physically ready. And so that's

1035
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 1: a very vague way of looking at things, because a six'

1036
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: four to three hundred pounds strong dude playing against terrible

1037
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: competition on a low, level who is said to be

1038
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: a four, star five. Star it's just a. Projection it's

1039
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: not a finished product. Rating it's just a. Projection so

1040
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: it was never meant to. Be these are the best

1041
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: players that have arrived and are finished products and ready for,

1042
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: college and this is what they will. Be this is

1043
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: where they are. Trending and so THAT i think is

1044
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: the miss the misinterpretation that a lot of people have

1045
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: when they, say, oh this quarterback was a two. Star

1046
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: he declared he decided to declare after one junior college

1047
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: year before he was evaluated and only played half the.

1048
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: Year they're, like there are so many weird circumstances with

1049
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: evaluation and recruiting services that to blanket say they got it. Wrong,

1050
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: no it doesn't tell anywhere near the whole, story because

1051
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: by and, large the teams that amass the most of

1052
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: those four and five star guys the ones winning the most.

1053
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: Games and there's a reason to. True it's a bites

1054
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: at the apple thing if you are if you are

1055
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: building up a roster full of guys that all of

1056
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: these services by and large conclude are the most talented

1057
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: did guys in terms of projecting them. Forward those teams

1058
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: tend to win ten games every. Year it's just sort

1059
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: of how it works. Out, no all, right well that's

1060
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: ALL i. Have people or a couple people Said Shan

1061
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: clifford's not going to be the, starter Or Shan clifford

1062
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: is going to be the, starter and you're wrong saying

1063
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: that he's not going to. BE i don't know IF

1064
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: i have it in me to talk More Shan. Clifford, no, no, no, no,

1065
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: no, no no me.

1066
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: Neither he may he may. Be he may be the

1067
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: starter week. One, okay he, probably he probably will.

1068
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: Be he shouldn't. Be he stinks when you drive to

1069
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Speaker 1: The chicago suburbs if he is benched. Before if he,

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Speaker 1: is if he is the every week starter all year,

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Speaker 1: long WILL i? Drive, yeah come on over and watch

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Speaker 1: The Big Ten championship game with. ME i will drive To.

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Speaker 1: Chicago If Seawan clifford starts every game For Penn state

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Speaker 1: this coming, Year, okay you have to make. Pizza absolutely

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Speaker 1: make you. PIZZA i will drive there for The Big

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Speaker 1: Ten championship. Game.

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Speaker 2: YEAH i just bought some really good new tomato.

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Speaker 1: SAUCE i went to a bulk supply store. Today of

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Speaker 1: course you. Did i'm very. EXCITED i have to make

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Speaker 1: a longer drive for my cheese moving, forward But i'm

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Speaker 1: in a good. Place you wanted to take issue with

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00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: something with HOW i feel about cold. Weather you, An,

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Speaker 1: Well i'm not going to say you're a big old. Ninny,

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Speaker 1: NO i. DON'T i. Don't the weather there is colder

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Speaker 1: than it is, here So i'm not going to.

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Speaker 2: Compare, yeah BUT i have noticed the tendency with you

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Speaker 2: to view cold weather almost in the same way that

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Speaker 2: people Viewed little Nas x's devil shoes like you are?

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Speaker 2: You cold weather to you is like the ultimate slap

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Speaker 2: in the. Face AND i worry you're. Laughing this is,

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Speaker 2: True it's a hundred.

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Speaker 1: Percent it's. Funny it's a funny way to phrase.

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Speaker 2: It and you seem to have a blind spot that

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 2: people who grow up in cold weather.

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01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: Happen to have parents who don't like.

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01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: Them, continue people who grow up in cold weather can

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01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 2: turn out to be, normal productive human.

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Speaker 1: Beings, yeah that is. TRUE i married somebody WHO i

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Speaker 1: think just tried to walk into this, room who grew

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Speaker 1: up in cold, weather AND i will love her for

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Speaker 1: the rest of my. LIFE i think being cold is not.

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Speaker 1: FUN i THINK i agree with you on. THAT i

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01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: agree with you on that driving in the snow is not.

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Speaker 1: Fun and that's my personal. Take all sorts of people

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Speaker 1: grow up to be, really really great contributors to society

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01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: that grew up in cold. WEATHER a lot of them are.

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Speaker 1: Shorter i've found that the lack of sun. Exposed, sure,

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01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: sometimes is that is that based on real? Science, no

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01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: not at. All but my friends WHEN i was WHEN

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Speaker 1: i grew up in Southern, california we're all around my.

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Speaker 1: Height and THEN i worked with a bunch of people

1112
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Speaker 1: In New york and they were not around my height

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Speaker 1: who grew up In New jersey And, connecticut In.

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania it's very very, Scientific, yeah extremely.

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Speaker 1: Scientific, sure the cold weather thing is Just i'm affected by, gray,

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01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: cold icye like just an outdoors, person AND i don't

1117
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: feel like snowshoeing to get. Groceries, okay that's not a me.

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01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: Thing SO i respect everybody's preferences and. Opinions if you

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01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: enjoy cold, weather bully on. You BUT i think IT'S

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Speaker 1: i think it makes me. SAD i don't necessarily enjoy.

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Speaker 2: IT i want to GET i want to get that out.

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Speaker 2: THERE i just don't think it's quite the death. Sentence

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Speaker 2: not a death.

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Speaker 1: Sentence but if you're going to spend a few months

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Speaker 1: of the year having to put in a lot of

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Speaker 1: work to live your life, regularly that's a. Choice it

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01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: is a. Choice, okay it's a. Choice if all of

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Speaker 1: the Hilden brandson colorusos and Uh solid Wife kate's, families

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Speaker 1: if they're all LIKE i think, we're we've all decided

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Speaker 1: to base Camp Palm springs and we just want to

1131
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Speaker 1: play golf all the time and set up like a

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Speaker 1: breezy podcast. STUDIO i don't think you'd hate.

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Speaker 2: IT i don't THINK i wouldn't like a breezy studio

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Speaker 2: because of the.

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Speaker 1: Wind, okay let's Say. Dyson dyson is designing the studio

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Speaker 1: to be a, silent breezy. Studio it's the most division

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Speaker 1: studio if we've ever been able to divide in the.

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Speaker 1: Laboratory that's that's what everyone At dyson sounds. Like, YEAH

1139
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Speaker 1: i THINK i think you would jump out the opportunity

1140
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Speaker 1: to broadcast With dyson designed podcast studio between nine holes

1141
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Speaker 1: of golf every, day all year.

1142
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Speaker 2: Long If dyson starts doing microphones and. Mixers i'm In,

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Speaker 2: Yeah i'm talking like.

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Speaker 1: An air conditioning system or like an open air, breezy

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Speaker 1: but they dead in the air at the same. Time

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Speaker 1: you know, what you know WHAT i learned About dyson.

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Speaker 1: Recently you know.

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Speaker 2: THOSE bigtl podcasts About. Dyson, yeah you know those big

1149
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Speaker 2: like oval kind of air. Purifiers, yeah that look like they're.

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Speaker 1: Magic mm. Hmm they have they're the fans, too, right

1151
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Speaker 1: Are they're just like these big oval rings that are

1152
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Speaker 1: somehow air.

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Speaker 2: Conditioners, yeah there's a little slot all around the, oval

1154
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: and that's where the air comes out. Of it's not

1155
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: just like magically charging the air and forcing it through

1156
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: a big. Hoop, right there's a little vent THAT i

1157
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Speaker 2: did not know about until.

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Speaker 1: Recently that's, okay that's. Okay we never claimed to be,

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Speaker 1: bright and people that chimed in increasing they know THAT

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Speaker 1: i agree with us that we're. NOT i learned that

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Speaker 1: the guy who Started dyson was a wheelbarrow a, designer

1162
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: and he was, like it makes no sense that a

1163
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: wheelbarrow has this single regular wheel when it should be

1164
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: a ball so it can tilt and turn more. Efficiently

1165
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: and he designed that and that got him started on

1166
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: trying to reinvent everyday. Household they did the ball with the, vacuum,

1167
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: right it turns more. EASILY i have one in the other. Room,

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01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: yeah and there was. THIS i think it was HOW

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01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: i built. This he also, mentioned like why you have

1170
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Speaker 1: to keep buying bags for. VACUUMS i don't want bags and.

1171
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: Vacuums and so he just decided to be more efficient

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Speaker 1: with all sorts of everyday. Items and that culminated with

1173
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Speaker 1: you saying there's a. Event there is.

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Speaker 2: Event, okay there's a. Event the airing of grievances show

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Speaker 2: in the. Books soliverbloodgmail dot. Com right, in let us

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Speaker 2: know what we got, right what we got? Wrong will

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Speaker 2: we continue to get? Wrong you can also hit us

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Speaker 2: up on social media and go on. Out if you

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Speaker 1: Com dan SO i got. SO i got to have

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Speaker 1: a good. Weekend, YEAH i have a good. Weekend all?

1182
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: Right you two for that guy over, there my good

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01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: Friend Dan, rubinstein for, Myself tie Hilden. Brand we'll catch

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Speaker 2: all y'all next. Week in the, meantime stay, solid, peace