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Speaker 1: Happy Monday. Welcome to another episode of the Chuck Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you I have a little extra

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Speaker 1: bouncing my step because we just had a weekend of

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Speaker 1: meaningful football. Okay, I am a college football fanatic. I

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Speaker 1: love these first two weeks where college football gets center stage.

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Speaker 1: Week zero. Literally, I'll watch anything. I watched some fcs,

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Speaker 1: I will watch all of it. Kansas State Iowa State,

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Speaker 1: of course, was the best game of the day. But

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Speaker 1: Stanford Hawaii, right, you got to go all day long.

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Speaker 1: It's just nice to have football back. So that put

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Speaker 1: me in a good mood after what was an excruciating

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Speaker 1: time dropping off my youngest at college. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to go through the specifics. It's not fair to him.

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Speaker 1: But let's just say that this is it's as hard

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Speaker 1: as everybody will tell you that it is. And then

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Speaker 1: some if you've this was my second time, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny when you know you still have another child

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Speaker 1: at home, there's sort of one set of emotions. When

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Speaker 1: suddenly it's empty, it's a whole new set of emotions.

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Speaker 1: So but I will I will spare you some of that.

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Speaker 1: But let's just say that a good distraction from my

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Speaker 1: glumness and me missing my son. Is the start of

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Speaker 1: college football season, that's for sure, and which sort of

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Speaker 1: brings me here we are. We're in August. I know

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Speaker 1: some of you think college football shouldn't start in August.

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Speaker 1: It should start, you know, first of September. But here

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Speaker 1: we are. That's what it is. And it gets me

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Speaker 1: to my theme that I want to jump in on.

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Speaker 1: By the way, my guest later today. The guest is

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Martin of Politico, and Jonathan and I have known

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Speaker 1: each other longer than this century. I it goes past

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Speaker 1: the twenty first. We've been friends, colleagues, and then some

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Speaker 1: going back to the nineties. We regularly have conversations and

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Speaker 1: sometimes we put them on camera and put them on tape,

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Speaker 1: and that's essentially what my Monday episode with him is.

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Speaker 1: So I hope, I know if you're a political junkie,

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Speaker 1: you will enjoy the conversation. And if you like you're

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Speaker 1: a little taste of college football on the side, I

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Speaker 1: think you'll also enjoy it as well. But we hit

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Speaker 1: the gambit. We were all over the place, whether it's Trump,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the Democrats, whether it's the primary calendar in

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Speaker 1: twenty eight elections in twenty five, the midterms in twenty six.

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Speaker 1: We covered the entire tapestry of things, but let me

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Speaker 1: get started. One of the topics I actually did have

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Speaker 1: a conversation with him on was in reaction to to

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Speaker 1: what I want to talk about today. Because for most

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Speaker 1: of my thirty five years here in Washington, I got

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Speaker 1: here in nineteen ninety, August has always been the slowest

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Speaker 1: month of the year, right, slower even than December, right

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Speaker 1: because December, yes it's slow, but we're we've got so

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Speaker 1: many obligations, right, you know, August is the slowest month

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Speaker 1: of the year. Congress leaves town, the White House throttles back.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, as a traffic there's no traffic in Washington

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Speaker 1: unless there's a Nats game, even right now, especially if

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Speaker 1: the Nets playing the Phillies are Mets these days. But

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Speaker 1: you know, that's literally the only traffic you run into.

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Speaker 1: And the rule of thumb about August was simple, don't

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Speaker 1: launch anything new until September, when everyone is paying attention again,

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Speaker 1: when all parents are, the kids back at school, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: August really was always used for regrouping. Presidents took vacations.

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Speaker 1: That didn't mean stuff didn't. There was a lot of

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Speaker 1: important stuff what happened in August. I think I said

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Speaker 1: this to you before. I actually have always done a

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Speaker 1: July vacation. I've learned to do that lately, more so

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Speaker 1: than August, because for me, August there is always a

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Speaker 1: lot more happening in August than people realize. So August

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Speaker 1: for me is about preparing for September in many ways.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's sort of made August even more

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Speaker 1: interesting at times because it was so baked in that

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Speaker 1: happened in August it was unplanned, and that it was

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Speaker 1: a bigger story than you realized. Bill Clinton thought he

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Speaker 1: was in the clear in August of ninety eight, and

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Speaker 1: the mona to the Lewinsky Grand jury test about he

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Speaker 1: he could vacation in Crawford. Then he had Hurricane Katrina,

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Speaker 1: which turned August into a political catastrophe. But it was

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Speaker 1: these are semi unplanned events, right, and in some ways

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Speaker 1: you were encouraged to try to keep your head down

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Speaker 1: in August. Of course, Donald Trump's never bought into that idea.

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Speaker 1: For him, there is no regrouping, There is no resting.

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Speaker 1: August is no different than April, than May, than December

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Speaker 1: of course this August has been anything but sleeping. We've

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Speaker 1: had two high profile summits, a federal takeover the DC

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Speaker 1: new redistricting order in Texas, a response in California, a

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Speaker 1: manufactured Epstein file. I'm sure I'm leaving a few things out.

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Speaker 1: We had a lot of motion in August. But you

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Speaker 1: of movement right where things stood between Ukraine and Russian

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Speaker 1: July they still stand today. The summits produced nothing, but

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Speaker 1: there was a big TV show. The takeover DC policing

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Speaker 1: has been performative. Troops are deployed in all the wrong

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Speaker 1: neighborhoods South Park Head right. For what it's worth, I've

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Speaker 1: been driving around town and wherever you would think that

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Speaker 1: what Donald Trump's stated goal is. He's not been. He's

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Speaker 1: not been. I've not seen him in parts of town

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Speaker 1: that aren't tourist attractions. It's like being anchored in the

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Speaker 1: ocean while the boat rocks back and forth. Right, there's

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Speaker 1: plenty of turbulence, but no forward direction. And at some

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Speaker 1: point that motion without movement simply makes everybody seasick. So

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Speaker 1: take the redistrict find in Texas. Trump's order was met

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Speaker 1: with such resistance that had triggered a nationwide scramble. Everyone's

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Speaker 1: trying to outgain the other side for partisan advantage. Democrats

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Speaker 1: are justifying their actions by pointing to Republicans, Republicans point

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Speaker 1: to Democrats, and the result is a complete abandonment of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic princes bull of fair representation. That's motion with

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Speaker 1: real consequences, but it's the kind that corrodes institutions rather

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Speaker 1: than strengthens them. And ultimately the goal for both parties

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Speaker 1: is to fight to a draw, which is motion without movement.

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Speaker 1: Let's look at the Epstein file gambit. Trump managed to

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Speaker 1: stage a faux revelation by saying this was this is

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Speaker 1: actually like unpack what he did with Epstein here. Right.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you believe there are all these files

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Speaker 1: really be angry by what he did. Right, Because Trump

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Speaker 1: managed to stage a faux revelation by sending his old

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Speaker 1: personal lawyer to interviewed Gallaine Maxwell. Of course, before the

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Speaker 1: so it sort of obviously had an impact under testimony.

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Speaker 1: Right then, of course, they released the transcript that surprise

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Speaker 1: seemed to clear Trump manufactured theater through it through right here,

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Speaker 1: we had a convicted fallon begging for a pardon, coach

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Speaker 1: Gallaine Maxwell transcript as something that's worthless or worth something.

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Speaker 1: I kind of think it's totally worthless, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: at what point did the transcript which he says, hey,

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Speaker 1: let me add something, and it's this extra It's almost

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Speaker 1: like her lawyer said, hey, you didn't clear Trump enough.

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Speaker 1: You need to make sure you clear Trump more. Or

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Speaker 1: let's look at the John Bolton prosecution threat. What was

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Speaker 1: the point of that Not to win a conviction. The

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Speaker 1: point is to send a message criticized Trump and the

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Speaker 1: government will be weaponized against you. That's why cash Ptel

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Speaker 1: at the FBI now makes JEdgar Hoover look like a statesman.

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Speaker 1: And that's why the sudden firing of Trump loyalists Billing

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Speaker 1: Long at the IRS is extra suspicious because there's only

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Speaker 1: one of two reasons Billy Long was fired. Either he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't go far enough on something, or he was willing

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Speaker 1: to go too far, and Scott Besson stepped in. Either way,

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Speaker 1: something that stinks to high heaven. Here. Let's just say

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Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember when House Republicans used to

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Speaker 1: care about abuse at the IRS or and they would

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Speaker 1: spend all sorts of of time trying to I mean,

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan, I think, became a household figure by going

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Speaker 1: really suspicious activity at the IRS. I would say, don't

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Speaker 1: hold your breath for James Comer to start issuing subpoenas

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Speaker 1: for testimony from Treasury to find out what's actually happened

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Speaker 1: to actually care. And it's not confined to Washington. Virginia,

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice has been working to elevate the

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Speaker 1: But here's the federal government being used to try to

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Speaker 1: going to see, right, We're starting to see, right, the

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Speaker 1: power of the federal government. Trump will use this power

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Speaker 1: by the way, if you're wondering, like all this mortgage

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Speaker 1: of the more interesting sort of manufactured crises that they've created,

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Speaker 1: And I will just tell you a basic rule of thumb.

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Speaker 1: If Roger Stone, which is a longtime Trump dark arts

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Speaker 1: it's part of a bigger pattern, right, constant motion, not

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Speaker 1: a lot of movement. Every day, one of these stories

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Speaker 1: takes over every day the boat rocks again. Trump's first

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's Bessin on the economy, maybe Ruby on Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I do wonder if you didn't have Bessin

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Speaker 1: on the economy, we'd probably already be in a recession

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Speaker 1: But outside of that, everyone else is enabling this chaos.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is I mean, my gosh, the FBI

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Speaker 1: It all feels And if I were a rank and

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Speaker 1: file a BI agent, I'd be just appalled. This is terrible. Say,

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Speaker 1: This is doing long term damage where it's just trust

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Speaker 1: will erode for everybody. But it also brings me to

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Speaker 1: when things get worse with this economy, and they're going

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Speaker 1: to get worse, right, You've heard it from Mark Xandy.

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Speaker 1: I just heard it from one of Trump's most loyal

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Speaker 1: economic advisor, Steve Moore, who's certainly more bullish than most,

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Speaker 1: I mean, now, just give you everybody hates the airport anecdote,

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Speaker 1: when they started Farmageddon when Nebraska joined the Big Ten,

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Speaker 1: which I thought was a brilliant a brilliant way to

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Speaker 1: name a rivalry that never really existed before Nebraska. I

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Speaker 1: got in the Big Ten, Iowa Nebraska never played and

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Speaker 1: then it was like it was always Iowa State in Nebraska.

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Speaker 2: Because I was ill Big Eight, I got familial ties

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Speaker 2: to Iowa State.

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Speaker 1: My grandparents both graduated from Iowa State. My big beef

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Speaker 1: with Iowa State are those school colors. Men. They only

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Speaker 1: go together when you're at an Iowa State dame.

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Speaker 2: I've done some cool turings to their uniform and recent years,

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Speaker 2: but you know, I don't get too deep in the

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Speaker 2: socio socioeconomic culture of Iowa and Kansas.

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Speaker 1: But as you know, from having roots in Iowa, Iowa state.

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Speaker 2: In case state are the aggie schools in Kansas, right,

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Speaker 2: and you know Ku and Iowa the liberal arts English

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Speaker 2: majors and the budding lawyers you know, the farmers and

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Speaker 2: the engineers are going to Ames in Manhattan.

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Speaker 1: You you know, my grandfather was a mechanical engineer, so

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Speaker 1: you're gosh going right.

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Speaker 2: He would say that, and he would say, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: know Iowa, you know he would.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's funny though about islands. As much as

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Speaker 1: there's an Iowa state Iowa rivalry outside the state, you know,

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Speaker 1: all islands route for both schools when they're playing anybody

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Speaker 1: outside the state.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like there is this weird like, hey, don't pick

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Speaker 2: only we get to pick on each other. They all

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Speaker 2: hate e Chad like some of the instant Robin. No,

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Speaker 2: it's not like you know the way I feel about

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Speaker 2: the Gators. And then their islands are good people, you

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Speaker 2: know exactly, and they deserve first in the nation status

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Speaker 2: and if they don't get it, my second choice is

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Speaker 2: actually Kansas if if you know, it's actually not a

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Speaker 2: bad place for you andied riff a bit, which is not.

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Speaker 2: The Democrats are trying to figure out where to go

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Speaker 2: first in the nation and the three states that they're

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Speaker 2: supposedly contemplating. To me, I look at what they're doing

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Speaker 2: and it looks like a party in retreat. They're afraid

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Speaker 2: to go anywhere that's remotely leans red. So you're you're

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Speaker 2: reporting that it's going to.

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Speaker 1: Be New Hampshire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what my view on this is, Iowa New

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Speaker 2: Hamshire believed they have this like divine right to the

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Speaker 2: first and in the nation primer, which of course drives

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Speaker 2: the other state's crazy chuck. But shere's one New Hampshire

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Speaker 2: is different. It's a state of law. It's not a

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Speaker 2: part of an issue. It's run by the State of Newhampshire,

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Speaker 2: not the two parties. They're gonna have it in January,

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Speaker 2: you're you or wherever. And if they are a leap frogged,

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Speaker 2: well we know what happened in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 2: We spend New Year's Eve in Des Moines because the

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Speaker 2: states will just move up their primaries to avoid the

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Speaker 2: leap frog and chuck. More to a point, Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: did obviously grahame damage to his party on a lot

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Speaker 2: of levels. One of the things that's largely forgotten that

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Speaker 2: he did was he rearranged the primary calendar to ensure

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Speaker 2: his renomination with little challenge, and he threatened to take

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Speaker 2: away New Hampshire's delegates if they still went first. Well,

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Speaker 2: of course they still went first. And guess what happened

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Speaker 2: at the convention last summer in Chicago. Surprise, surprise, New

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Speaker 2: Hampshire's delegates were restored. So they fired the one bullet

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Speaker 2: they had, which is we'll take away your delegates, because no,

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Speaker 2: you won't.

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Speaker 1: You'll give them back up the convention. But here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: The DNC does not look at this as a way

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Speaker 1: to build their party. And what the DNC needs is

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Speaker 1: to expand. This is not a party that's a national party.

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Speaker 1: At the most. They're basically they cannot compete in about

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Speaker 1: twenty states, and that is not a functioning political party

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Speaker 1: if they go down this road if not competing they need.

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Speaker 1: The beauty of what Iowa did is Iowa essentially because

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Speaker 1: it was first in the nation, the voters became swing voters.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those cases where if you looked

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Speaker 1: at Iowa through one the prism of demographics the way

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Speaker 1: you look at any other state, it never made sense

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Speaker 1: that it was a swing state. For as long as

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Speaker 1: it was. Arguably the reason it was is because it

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Speaker 1: got this outsized attention. Iowan's liked it, and I think

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Speaker 1: Frankly took It's a reminder to me. I've preached about

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Speaker 1: this before, but I believe you can manufacture a swing

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Speaker 1: state if you treat the voters like swing voters, they

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Speaker 1: will the voters will respond in ducon. I mean it is,

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Speaker 1: and that is what I think is the lesson of Frankly.

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Speaker 1: Both Iowa New Hampshire states that on paper aren't necessarily

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Speaker 1: purple states the way a Michigan Wisconsin the way the

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Speaker 1: actual battleground states look. They look different. But it's because

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Speaker 1: of all this early action and the early exposure. The voters,

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Speaker 1: Frankly do wait, and they do kind of want to

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Speaker 1: be persuaded. So and the Democratic Parties problems in rural

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Speaker 1: America don't get solved by being in New Hampshire. Okay, world,

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire is not rural Iowa or a Worlal Nebraska.

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Speaker 2: World questioning about it, right, it's more ll being than

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Speaker 2: this car hard. Oh there's some car r in the

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Speaker 2: and by the way, and that's not right. There's certainly

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Speaker 2: some right here.

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Speaker 1: Look you spend a lot of time, and I know

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Speaker 1: the main second discart spending their time Merlin right there

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Speaker 1: their enfortment acts that are in Keen, not many where.

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Speaker 1: During the caucases. There's almost a premium put on the

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Speaker 1: candidates that do the ninety nine counties, right, they like

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Speaker 1: brag about it. It's sort of a part of the

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Speaker 1: it's part of the DNA. So it's a I find,

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Speaker 1: you know, but my god, I mean, Jonathan, can you

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Speaker 1: remember a time when that the functioning leaders of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party were this week?

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Speaker 2: And no, I mean the two congressional leaders have profile challenges.

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Speaker 2: The governors obviously have talent. They're the strength the governors

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Speaker 2: the parties for we have five podcasts onto this. But

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Speaker 2: the parties themselves are so weak now that it doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter who the chairman is. The party itself just doesn't

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Speaker 2: have the cloud that it once did because they don't

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Speaker 2: have the tools they once had. And for all the

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Speaker 2: reasons we know, a small dollar giving social media, you know, uh,

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Speaker 2: fragmented traditional media has made it so those folks just

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Speaker 2: don't have the don't have the chance. But the one

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Speaker 2: thing they do control is the calendar. And so here

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Speaker 2: we know because you know, I will say, Jock, I

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Speaker 2: think Iowa is not coming back, even if.

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Speaker 1: Rob sand wins the guvenorship.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: I think if he wins the governorship her I think

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Speaker 1: the calendar is set by November twenty second. He was

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Speaker 1: too late. You know. Well, by the way, speaking of

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Speaker 1: the DNC, are they about to have a mess on

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Speaker 1: their hands in Minnesota. They're going to bring the entire

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Speaker 1: DNC to Minnesota and have this fight with the socialists.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, you know, when it rains in forest Man, right,

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Speaker 2: you're about to have the DNC meeting, and yeah, why

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Speaker 2: not expose one of the biggest visures in the party.

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Speaker 1: And I know it's just just a filthy pull in.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't paid attention to Minneapolis mayor's race, Suddenly

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Speaker 1: the state party up there is pulling an endorsement of

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Speaker 1: the challenger who won the state Minnesota DFL politics, you

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Speaker 1: can win a party endorsement at a convention without the

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Speaker 1: voters and all this. And so a socialist at DSA

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Speaker 1: candidate a Democratic Socialists won the nomination. He sort of

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Speaker 1: gained the system, which is a reminder that the just

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Speaker 1: like the the RNC was in for traded by Ron

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Speaker 1: Paul acolytes who became mega people and took over the

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Speaker 1: mechanics of these state parties. The DSA is doing the

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Speaker 1: same thing in a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of states, aren't they, Jonathan, Yes, No, no, absolutely, you know,

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Speaker 2: most prominently in New York, where they're about to like

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Speaker 2: to mayor, the biggest city in the country. But yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I mean there's lots you can do with the weakened

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Speaker 2: party to basically go into it and sort of take

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Speaker 2: it over, all right, Chuck is a story. Is a

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Speaker 2: story that obviously the UPE has been living through for

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Speaker 2: the last ten years. Trump Trump factor took over that

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Speaker 2: party and part of the reason why he did was

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Speaker 2: because they were so concerned at twenty fifteen that he

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Speaker 2: would take his ball.

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Speaker 1: And go home, and so they.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't keep him out, and so instead they brought

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Speaker 2: him in and he turns out he took over the party.

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Speaker 2: I keep thinking about, by the way, the what if

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Speaker 2: if Trump, If Ryan's previous and other sort of party

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Speaker 2: fathers had had really come down hard on him in

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, I think Trump would have been tempted to

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Speaker 2: create what we're seeing today in the UK.

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Speaker 1: And I'm acture that Trump would have had the attention

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Speaker 1: span to do it, That's what I think. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he would have had the follow through.

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Speaker 2: But Nigel Faraj has effectively marginalized one of Britain's two

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Speaker 2: great traditional parties, the Tories, by creating his own reform party, and.

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Speaker 1: Which can I do?

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Speaker 2: Like, I would have more faith than Nigel Farage to

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Speaker 2: have the attention span to focus versus Trump. That's the

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Speaker 2: wing does I mean, I'm like, you know, he's proven

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Speaker 2: that with Brexit on board. So but yeah, no, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the common threat is overs out of the Atlantic. The

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Speaker 2: traditional parties are just are just the shadow of what

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Speaker 2: they were.

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Speaker 1: So my my sort of opener today for this before

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Speaker 1: before people listen to you, is about sort of this

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Speaker 1: weird August we've been through and I think sometimes and

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Speaker 1: I know you will appreciate this right August for any

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Speaker 1: other entity, at any other time in our politics. For

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Speaker 1: my thirty five years in Washington, August has been this

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Speaker 1: sort of time to reset. If you had a major

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Speaker 1: thing you wanted to do, you didn't want to do

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Speaker 1: it in August, you waited until September, or you hurried

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Speaker 1: up and did it in July. That's not how Trump rolls, right.

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Speaker 1: Trump just wants you know, as I say, I call

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Speaker 1: it motion, even if there's no movement, Right, He's always

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Speaker 1: rocking the boat, even if it's anchored to the ground. Totally,

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Speaker 1: this has been quite I mean, think about the list

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Speaker 1: of stuff that's happened versus what how much of it matters? Right,

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Speaker 1: We've had the We've had two summits involving Russia and

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Speaker 1: Ukraine that appear to have done nothing. We've had We've

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Speaker 1: we just had. Now let's we can work backwards.

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Speaker 2: The FBI raiding John Bolton's house appears to be the

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Speaker 2: weaponiizing of the FBI.

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Speaker 1: We've got Suddenly the government is Donald trump version of

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Speaker 1: socialism with intel ten percent that the federal takeover of Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. Manufactured interview with Gallainne Maxwell that they released

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Speaker 1: make it look like they've released something. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: actually been and amazing the stuff he's sort of thrown

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Speaker 1: up there. But in all this sort of noise and nonsense,

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Speaker 1: we still have an economy that's that's in really tough shape.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if Trump can distract his way.

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Speaker 2: Out of it. Yeah, one of the most famous examples

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Speaker 2: of what you're alluding to, which is a sort of

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Speaker 2: a fascination of mine has been for a long time,

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Speaker 2: which is this idea that nothing happens in August. Was

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Speaker 2: Andy Carr famously gave a quote to The New York

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Speaker 2: Times Elizabeth B. Miller in twenty twenty two saying, you

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Speaker 2: don't roll out ANYTHENTY too long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, until after labor talking about the Iraq War by right, right,

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Speaker 1: it was the Iraq War.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: You don't roll it on to after labor at any

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Speaker 2: event infamy. Yeah, No, it's a old cliche in Washington.

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Speaker 2: Nothing happens in August. I actually have written something about

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Speaker 2: this years ago, that it's not true that a ton

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Speaker 2: of historic events have taken place in August.

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Speaker 1: But no, Trump doesn't do the king. He plays a

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Speaker 1: lot of golf, obviously, and takes in a lot of TV.

646
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Speaker 1: But he's not a vacation guy. He's not going to

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Speaker 1: deal with his wife and kids. Doesn't sit down. Hey,

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Speaker 1: why don't we play Monopoly like my kids love when

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Speaker 1: we're when we're not at home. That's the one time

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Speaker 1: dad will play board games? Right, No, but I will.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's no off switch with Trump. Right, it's

652
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Speaker 2: always on and so you you, I think, put your

653
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Speaker 2: finger on it. It's constant in motion. And really the

654
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Speaker 2: point for Trump is the attention, right, The publicity is

655
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Speaker 2: the point. I always chuckle when his his dab said

656
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Speaker 2: he's the most transparent president history. Well, yeah, because the

657
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Speaker 2: points to the attention every day, right, And so when

658
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Speaker 2: you want to be on TV every day, that's going

659
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Speaker 2: to lead you to go face the cameras every day

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Speaker 2: because he wants to be the star of the show

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Speaker 2: seven days a week, right, So yeah, he's always going

662
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Speaker 2: to do stuff that's going to make him center stage.

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Speaker 2: It's a one man act.

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Speaker 1: And here we are.

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Speaker 2: And so but to me, Chuck's I keep thinking about

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Speaker 2: this too, which is that's point. You have to think

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Speaker 2: that the tariffs are going to start pinching, right at

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Speaker 2: some point.

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Speaker 1: They are now. I mean, you know there's these little anecdotes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've had my own personal anecdotes. I buy

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Speaker 1: all my chicken a Trader Joe's. They don't offer it

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Speaker 1: in four packs. It's now three packs for the same

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Speaker 1: price for chicken thighs. Shrinkflation was at the DFW airport

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Speaker 1: earlier this week, and I'm having ordering a couple of eggs,

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Speaker 1: and the guy says, sorry, hey, the price changed. We

676
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Speaker 1: charged six dollars an egg. Right now, we have a

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Speaker 1: six dollars search charge on eggs. And he says, My

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Speaker 1: boss says, we lose money if we charge the price

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Speaker 1: that's on the menu. And you're sitting there going, you know,

680
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Speaker 1: and this the fact is, yet you're already getting gouged

681
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Speaker 1: in airport. So the gouge of the gouge is there.

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Speaker 1: And so I know nobody's shocked when you're gouging an airport.

683
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Speaker 1: But these are these little things. You see it all

684
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Speaker 1: over the grocery store. Everything's gone up. Every streaming service

685
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Speaker 1: has raised their price in the last two power bills

686
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Speaker 1: are higher.

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Speaker 2: Everything is higher. I don't know how he can. You know,

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Speaker 2: that's something you can't distract away from, right right, But

689
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Speaker 2: you know, Trump is it's interesting. But for all the

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Speaker 2: damage he did to Biden non inflation, his fascination with

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Speaker 2: the word groceries being one of my favorite examples of that. Uh,

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Speaker 2: there's this new word called crousters. Everybody's saying it's like

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Speaker 2: old fashioned word groceries. Trump cares more about the stock

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Speaker 2: market than the price of goods, right.

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Speaker 1: Because Steve Moore was my guest this week on newspaper

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Speaker 1: and he said, Steve Moore said, the only thing that

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Speaker 1: he will react that the cheap advisor is not a person,

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Speaker 1: it's the market. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I've said this a thousand times. Trump is moved by

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Speaker 2: two things, and they're interconnected. Press coverage and the markets.

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Speaker 2: Those are the those are the institutional courses that chef Trump.

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Speaker 2: It's not the als, right, uh. And he does care

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Speaker 2: about the markets. And so this is why he's so

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Speaker 2: consumed with getting j. Powell to lower interface because he

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Speaker 2: knows that will have up. It is what we saw

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Speaker 2: Friday when Pale hinted at his speech in Jackson Hole

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Speaker 2: that it's time to bring down rates. In September, Oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, right, the market zooms and so Trump is

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Speaker 2: just dying to bring down interest rates because he cares

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Speaker 2: entirely about moving the market north.

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Speaker 1: Well, as Steve Moore told me, you know why he

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Speaker 1: wants to bring that interest rates because he's a real

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Speaker 1: estate guy. I'm about it fascinating that a Trump defender,

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Speaker 1: and Steve Moore is a Trump defender, is somebody that

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Speaker 1: can't ignore the reality, which is well he thinks of

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Speaker 1: everything like he does. It's real estate business, and how

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Speaker 1: do you refinance debt? You do it at a lower

718
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Speaker 1: interest rate. But I mean, I feel like you're right.

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Speaker 2: The elephant in the room as we get closer to

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Speaker 2: twenty six is the cost of good I just think

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Speaker 2: it's what was so devastating to Biden. I think it's

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Speaker 2: still out there and for all of the the sort

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Speaker 2: of bread and circus, if you will, that Trump puts

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Speaker 2: on every day. If Pyboar are painon more and the

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Speaker 2: economy is non in good shape, that that's.

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Speaker 1: Going to be a no no. It's it seems that's

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Speaker 1: something he can't he can't totally erase away with this showmanship.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about the John Bolden thing here a minute,

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Speaker 1: because I want to connect it to something else that

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Speaker 1: also happened this week, which is there's the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: will use the government to try to impact elections. I

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Speaker 1: know you pay attention a lot to Virginia regularly. Right,

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Speaker 1: look at the Justice Department is suddenly deciding to target

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Speaker 1: Fairfax County in Arlington County schools.

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Speaker 2: Right, jeez, what's going Is there an election coming up

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Speaker 2: in sixty to ninety days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I see the John Bolten thing in the

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Speaker 1: fall of twenty six. If Democrats look like they're poised

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Speaker 1: to pick up Senate seats and win the House, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be a nominee in a swing state

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Speaker 1: because I have a feeling I might have an IRS investigation,

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Speaker 1: maybe an FBI investigation. You know, all you have to

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Speaker 1: do is announce something they may not like. I don't

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Speaker 1: think John, but there's not gonna be a grand jury

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Speaker 1: with John Bolton. I bet you what we saw Friday

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Speaker 1: is that is the is the some of the parts

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Speaker 1: on that one, because there's probably no there there, and

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Speaker 1: yet it was the you know, the point was to

749
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Speaker 1: create the headline, right, and so no matter what you google,

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Speaker 1: John Bolton, FBI raid And that's all Chnald Trump wants.

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Speaker 2: I could agree more. We're going to see this in

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Speaker 2: twenty six The Texas. The Texas redraw is only the

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Speaker 2: beginning and not the beginning of reapportionment play, although it's

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Speaker 2: certainly in the beginning of that, and then then that's

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Speaker 2: going to be a master of the next six to

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Speaker 2: eight months. It's the beginning of Trump's campaign to avoid

757
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Speaker 2: a third impeachment. He's consumed with not being impeached for

758
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Speaker 2: a third time. He will do whatever it takes to

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Speaker 2: keep the house. That starts with, you're right, That starts

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Speaker 2: with trying to grab more seats through a mid decade redraw.

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Speaker 1: But I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I think next summer and fall, if there are districts

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Speaker 2: where you got to go into and you sort of

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Speaker 2: you know, damage and incumbent or damage a challenger, absolutely whatever,

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Speaker 2: and borgat fraud, Hey, look, margettraud, what what are you

766
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Speaker 2: talking about?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And then you have to read the details. Oh, I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's mortgage fraud. But the headline is the headline, right,

770
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Speaker 2: like it's common.

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Speaker 1: And you know, what's to say?

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Speaker 2: What's to say that even after the election, if there's

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Speaker 2: a contested result, or California has taken a long time

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Speaker 2: like it sometimes can, what's to say that you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: just just tell Mike Johnson don't see those folks.

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Speaker 1: You know, right, don adjourn it's election? Yeah? Or how

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Speaker 1: about donut darn if he tries that, are.

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Speaker 2: Sure, don't start the new Congress?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean we uh we we we live in

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Speaker 2: an environment where all this is totally plausible that we

782
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Speaker 2: have to, you know, accept that it's just so different

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Speaker 2: from what you and I car wants new and you

784
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Speaker 2: think about a difficult mid term for a Republican president.

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Speaker 2: In two thousand and six, there was somebody in suburban

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia who the junkies listening, we'll call it him Kurt Weldon,

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Speaker 2: who is a longtime house member I think Delaware County,

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Speaker 2: and I think he had his Homer's almost rated in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and six and by Bush's DOJ and lost

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Speaker 2: his lost his his reelection. I mean this, here's a

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Speaker 2: question for you, Chuck. Will Donald Trump's Department of Justice

792
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Speaker 2: indict a single high profile Trump supporter for any white

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Speaker 2: collar crime the next three years?

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Speaker 1: No? No chance, no chance. Look at this, Maxwell, what

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Speaker 1: are we doing? You know? By the way, look at

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Speaker 1: this Maxwell thing? So yours to tell me that Trump's

797
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Speaker 1: personal lawyer who now has as a Senate confirmed Justice

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Speaker 1: Department official. After dangling a partner at commutation interviews, Maxwell

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Speaker 1: Maxwell goes, My favorite part of the transcript is she says, hey,

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Speaker 1: can I add something here. It's almost like the lawyer said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you haven't like sucked up to Trump enough in your

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Speaker 1: in your yes kit and so she adds this statement

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Speaker 1: more clearing of Trump, and then the Justice Department releases

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Speaker 1: the transcript as if they're being transparent, right, like, pay

805
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Speaker 1: no attention to the actual supposed Epstein files that have

806
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Speaker 1: been buried for years. Oh, by the way, we're gonna

807
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Speaker 1: we're going to try to get a judge to release

808
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Speaker 1: grand jury testimony, because that's something that never happens, you know.

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Speaker 1: They I admire the attempt to look like they're trying

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Speaker 1: when they it was painfully obvious they didn't want to

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Speaker 1: release anything that they had, but they want to look

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Speaker 1: like they're releasing something to feed, uh, to feed their base.

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Speaker 1: And they just did it with Maxire right, yeah, exactly, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it's it's but it it does show you how, you know,

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Speaker 1: he really has turned the FBI in the Justice Department.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think right now, I don't if

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Speaker 1: an FBI official showed up at my house, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: believe the charges, obviously because I don't don't commit any crimes,

819
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Speaker 1: but it would be like I just think that the

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Speaker 1: FBI is is its reputation is it's going to take

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Speaker 1: a long time to recover. Well, cash Ptel said before

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Speaker 1: they rated.

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Speaker 2: Bolt and the sort of you know, I guess he's

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Speaker 2: chasing online cloud even that he runs to the FBI.

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Speaker 1: No one's above the law. Okay, well, if that's the codash.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll be waiting with baited breath for again

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Speaker 2: a single high profile Trump supporter who will be indicted

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Speaker 2: for white color crime the next three years.

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Speaker 1: Here I am, I'm waiting now, you'll be if you

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Speaker 1: hold your breath, you'll die. But because if you if you.

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Speaker 2: Were really a member of Congress or a senator for Trump,

832
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Speaker 2: you did take a bag of cash, and they would

833
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Speaker 2: wouldn't indict you.

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Speaker 1: You know, no, you can get away with anything. At

835
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Speaker 1: this point. Let's talk about the redistricting reaction of the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: I watched Obama indorset right, they put out that state

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Speaker 1: that's basically trying to convince good government Democrats that disenfranchising

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Speaker 1: voters in California is okay as long as it's done

839
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Speaker 1: temporarily and with another goal in mind. I just cannot

840
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Speaker 1: sit here. I find it. Oh, we're supposed to believe

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00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: by the way, the whole that's you know what that

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Speaker 1: sounded like to me. Remember that Flight ninety three essay,

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Speaker 1: the famous essay which is, Look, there's an existential threat

844
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Speaker 1: stopping Hillary Clinton, no matter how corrupt Donald Trump is,

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Speaker 1: no matter how flawed of a characters. You have to

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Speaker 1: how is that any different than Barack Obama's argument about

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Speaker 1: supporting undemocratic this undemocratic redistricting. I understand the frustration.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I get it, and I will say this, At

849
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Speaker 2: least Californians get to vote on this, right, they get

850
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Speaker 2: to decide whether they want to do this or Okay,

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Speaker 2: but what a colossal waste of money, I think, And

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Speaker 2: you're going to alienate an ally and Arnold Swartzeneker, which

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Speaker 2: I said, and this is what drives so many NASA

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Speaker 2: were forem minded democrats crazy, including uh the congressman named

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Speaker 2: name Brendan Boyle in Philadelphia, who is this gun's a

856
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: blazon on this stuff? He says, you know, we we

857
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: do all this Google reform stuff to create these conditions

858
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Speaker 2: to do phara lines or whatever.

859
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Speaker 1: Look, we get no credit for it.

860
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Speaker 2: And also it doesn't help us politically, and like there's

861
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: no chance in hell that like red state governors but

862
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: in a million years do something like this. But Obama

863
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 2: is wedded to this big as Eric horns Agen. You

864
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: know part of this national reapportionment project, and you know

865
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Speaker 2: they want to do fair lines ostensibly. Well, no, actually,

866
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Speaker 2: a lot of your Democratic others don't want to do

867
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Speaker 2: a fair lines.

868
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Speaker 1: They want to use this, but it's always been done.

869
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: It's just a grab board seat because guess what, the

870
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: other guys are doing the same. And if you're not,

871
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: then you're not fighting an you know, affair fight here.

872
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: But I think the Democrats Albama is engaged at all

873
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: in this time. Why is he weighing in on the

874
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: stuff they were trying to get because they're desperate for donors.

875
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: I think there's some donors that don't. I'm not sure

876
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: whether they should go all in on this, and I

877
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: think they needed Obama to give Yeah, it's okay, I'm

878
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: okay with this, but I have to tell you I

879
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: think the reason the Democratic Party has had a messaging

880
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 2: problem for a decade, but they've been very competitive, and

881
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: I think they've been competitive for one reason. Voters believe

882
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: the Democrats were the adult in the room. The minute

883
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 2: the Democrats give up adult in the room status, I

884
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: think they alienate a sice of voters that cost them

885
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: more than I.

886
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: Know they feel this makes you feel good. This makes

887
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: the base feel hey, you're fighting, you know. Hey, that's great,

888
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Newsom, all caps is awesome. Yeah, okay, I don't

889
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 1: think you're winning over a swing voter with this. I'm sorry.

890
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that that ship sailed after Biden

891
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: because the whole premise of Biden, Chuck was, it doesn't

892
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 2: have to be like this America.

893
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: But Biden didn't govern that way. Biden governed as a

894
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: left winger for the first two years when Ron Klain

895
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: basically opened the door to every progressive idea in America,

896
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: and it didn't get shut. It didn't get shut until

897
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: Jeff Zion showed up. But it was too late. I mean,

898
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: I disagree. I understand what you're saying.

899
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: The perception is Biden was a failure because they tried

900
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 2: to moderate and it failed.

901
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: No, it was a failure because he tried to govern

902
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: as a left winger and it was a failure.

903
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do wonder what his three looks like if

904
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: Biden comes in in January of twenty twenty one with

905
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell as the same majority leader. Because the win

906
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: one of those two seats in Georgia, right, I mean,

907
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: history turns on small things, and it was specials in Georgia.

908
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: And in the words of Abigail Spanburger, nobody elected FDR. Yeah,

909
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: and that was a really good reporter. She gave that

910
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: quote to whatever happened to that guy? He used to

911
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 2: wear it for the New York Times.

912
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I know that was me.

913
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 4: Uh.

914
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: By the way, a fun fact about that that quote.

915
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: That's the day after.

916
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: Mccallf loses the gov race in twenty twenty one, when

917
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: Biden's numbers are early going south after Afghanistan, and Spanburger

918
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: is speaking for the frustrations with a lot of moderate Democrats,

919
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: which is, we did not elect you to be FDR right,

920
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: We've liked to you to get shipped done and bring

921
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: the country together. So flash forward a year from that conversation.

922
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Speaker 2: Spanberger's own re election in twenty twenty two is called

923
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 2: pretty early in the night, and Biden calls her. He's

924
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: calling everybody who won to say congratulations, and she picks

925
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: up the phone and said, Abigail is Franklin.

926
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Speaker 1: It's a pretty good line.

927
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Speaker 2: It is.

928
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: But it's all aware a year later about that.

929
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, I mean, is it that

930
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: such a reminder, presidents here every criticism, every criticism, right,

931
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 2: Trump hears every criticism.

932
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: Biden heard every criticism. Trust me, I've leveled some and

933
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: I have heard. Let's just say I'm a little scared

934
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: of driving through the state of Delaware lately. Steward, Yeah,

935
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: I have to stay away if I'm not going to

936
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: any art exhibits on that front.

937
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 2: But so what do we think here, uck, this is

938
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: going to be such a legal Why don't think people

939
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: realize just how many states are going to jump in

940
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: the court fund suits, courts And here's what is it

941
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 2: going to do to action potential candidates.

942
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: You're going to have people like I don't know what

943
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: lines I'm running in. We may not know the lines

944
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: until a certain date. And and this is just its madness, right,

945
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: And we saw that Trump is you know, this is

946
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: a what's funny. We talked about how weak the parties are,

947
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: but Trump has created a strong Trump Party. Right. It's

948
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: not a Republican party, it's a Trump party, right. And

949
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: this is what a party machine looks like.

950
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: Right.

951
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: If people wanted to know what a Tammany hall, what

952
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: was that like? Right? This is it where he just says, no,

953
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: you're doing this. It's all personality, right, yeah.

954
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: Right, very personally hre me long, right, very personality driven. Well,

955
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: it's all personality driven. It's not based on the partial movements.

956
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: Right.

957
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: This isn't about a larger idea, trust me, what what

958
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: what is the you know there is no larger idea anymore?

959
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: Right, this isn't about limiting government. My god, we imagine

960
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: what would the right be saying if Joe Biden took

961
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: a ten percent stake in Intel, or.

962
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: Or told the video, oh yeah, it's fun. If you

963
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 3: want a ship, we need to kick back. Yeah, but

964
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 3: you got to give me a taste. They say in Philadelphia,

965
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 3: give me a taste. Give you a little taste, baby.

966
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 3: I mean, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so alarming.

967
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: Uh.

968
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: By the way, Mike Murphy has has this great project

969
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: to which he wants to get every city's reference to

970
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: a bribery. So like in Philadelphia they said, give me

971
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: a taste. Yeah, I think it's Chicago Base you got

972
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: dusted off. My favorite though, Chuck is getting your peak wet.

973
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: I've heard wet yet. I got to get my beak

974
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: wet here, you know. So I think that was originally

975
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: about something else in life, you know, for a young

976
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: mobster needed to get his beak wet. Yeah he's so

977
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 2: Florida especially Yeah yeah, but in uh right, so so

978
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: so here we are the year twenty twenty five. Uncle

979
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: Seam is getting his beak wet with ten percent of

980
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: Intel fifty percent of every chip sold at the China

981
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: by Navidio. It's not a conservative pride, it's a Trump project.

982
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: But you're right, it does have the the sort of

983
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: impact of being a hell of a machine. It is

984
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: all these campaigns you run for this, you do all

985
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: run for that.

986
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he he basically has decided the Florida

987
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: governor's race, at least in the primary and probably for

988
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: the general. He just decided Ron de Santis doesn't get

989
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: depict this person. I do, so yeah, I'm gonna Makemspyron Donalds.

990
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: You know, South Carolina and a Republican primary are not great.

991
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 1: All that matters those that Trump is still for Lindsay.

992
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: As long as Lindsay has that, he gets renominated, wins

993
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: six more years. So like I joke, like Lindsay could

994
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: keep doing his codels all over the world and spend

995
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: half of this time shuttling between you know, Tel aviv

996
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: Amon and like you know, back to Paris, Brussels in

997
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: London and never set foot in like Ain or South

998
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: Carolina or do the oakra straught or like you know,

999
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: go to Charleston or Columbia, whatever, because as long as

1000
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: Tromp is four, I'm don't have to go to a parade, right,

1001
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean, are the only two responsible people in the

1002
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: Trump White House right now Rubio and Bescent Because I

1003
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: think about it, but wasn't for Rubio, Ukraine would already

1004
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: be under the bus, And if it wasn't for Bessant,

1005
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: the economy would already be you know, we'd already be

1006
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: in the crapper.

1007
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: But we can't overemphasize how much there's this credle in

1008
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: scott we trust, whether it's on Capitol Hill or the

1009
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: financial markets. I mean, the reliance on Besson to keep

1010
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: a lid on Trump is incredible, right, amazing. Yeah, And

1011
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: in some ways all the threats against Powell are kind

1012
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 2: of ignored at this point because they don't think Trump

1013
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: will actually act on it.

1014
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: It's kind of the ultimate Taco trade.

1015
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: He's never going to actually threaten how beyond just ranting

1016
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: but boy, the second Besson is gone, you can see

1017
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: the nervousness, you know.

1018
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because if it's if you end up with

1019
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: somebody more like Lutnik, who really is sort of what

1020
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: I had somebody describe it to me on the news

1021
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: for show earlier this weekend, said there are times when

1022
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: Bestin's in the room and lawmakers will say, boy, I'm

1023
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: glad when LUTNX in the room. I'm glad Letnik was

1024
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: in the room. And literally the next day they'll be

1025
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: why was Lutnik in the room. He sort of ruined everything, right,

1026
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: because it's it's sort of Lutnik just reads Trump and

1027
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: whatever he thinks Trump's wants to hear, and he'll blow

1028
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: up a meeting versus Besant, who knows what the endgame

1029
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: is and tries to figure out how to get Trump there.

1030
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: And sometimes it'll be like, all right, let's let's end

1031
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: the meeting. We're not going to get him there today, right,

1032
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: Like best knows how to know, still wants to get

1033
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: the end game, Lutnik just wants to suck up to Trump.

1034
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, famously they the week of Liberation Day,

1035
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: Besson rushes over from Treasury to the White House when

1036
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 2: they know that Navarro is not around and got to Trump.

1037
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 2: It'sd are you seeing the bond markets? Man like, yep,

1038
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 2: we can't do this, and you know Trump? Trump responds,

1039
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: you know, so I.

1040
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: Want to pivot a little bit to twenty twenty five

1041
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: and these elections. If I were to spend time in

1042
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: one place, I would probably stay in New Jersey. That

1043
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: I feel like as New Jersey goes, so goes the

1044
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: perception of sort of the direction of both parties a

1045
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: little bit that New Jersey will tell me, you know

1046
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: how much how much progress did Trump make in sort

1047
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: of in the suburbs in twenty twenty four and did

1048
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: it stick? Right?

1049
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: Is Mom Donnie a problem with suburban voters in northern

1050
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: New Jersey? And is that something that's going to be

1051
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: exploitable in twenty six?

1052
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: The point is that I feel like New Jersey governor

1053
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: might be the most interesting, you know Mom Donnie's you know,

1054
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: I think we know the results going to be, we

1055
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: just don't know the margin. I think we have the

1056
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: same feeling about Virginia. Obviously, the California referendum becomes a

1057
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: different type of election night, and it's California, which means

1058
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: it's going to take three weeks to find out what

1059
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: the actual result is, but that New Jersey will sort

1060
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: of tell to me, tell us more. It's also hard

1061
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: for a.

1062
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: Political party to keep the governor's mansion for a third

1063
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: straight term one hundred percent. Governor Murphy's numbers are not

1064
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: great right now. Broadly speaking, in Jersey voters you're always

1065
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: cranky because taxes are so Jersey. They are inherently some

1066
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: of the crankiest voters in the country. Right, So yeah,

1067
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: all that's challenging plus something. Now, I think Jersey has

1068
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Speaker 2: just gotten trumpier, right, And I just think a lot

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00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: of the voters, especially in South Jersey, you know, parts

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Speaker 2: of coastal Jersey.

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Speaker 1: I think they call it the Jersey Shore. I believe

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00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: Chuck so I hear. Yeah, it's just a trumpet. Your plays,

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00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, like his style, his halffac. That's fine with

1074
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: a lot of Jerseys. So yeah, I look.

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00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: But at the same time, Democrats nominated you know, Minke Cheryl.

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00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: You could drop her in Minnesota, Arizona, Washington State.

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00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: Right, she bungled Mom, Donnie, though she bungled the answer, right,

1078
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: The easy answer is, I don't think New Yorkers want

1079
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: New Jersey people to tell you who to vote for,

1080
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: and New Jersey and certainly don't want New Yorkers to

1081
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: tell him who to vote for. But instead she first

1082
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: said she got the first time she was asked. She

1083
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: was asked on an SMEBC, so she felt like she

1084
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: had to say nice things my mom, Donny. Now they

1085
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: claim they've not endorsed, but of course, you know, she

1086
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: she got caught in the worst possible situation. She kind

1087
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: of supported then wants to back off, so now it

1088
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: looks like she's scared. So she's pissed off the base,

1089
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: and she's pissed off the medal. I mean, just a

1090
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: total miss. That was just a Frankly, as a friend

1091
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: of mine said, you know, you guys love to use

1092
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: this phrase political athlete. That was in a very athletic

1093
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: move by her, and I'm like, yeah, you're right. I

1094
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: had one more thing on on on New Jersey too,

1095
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: which is that.

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00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: Trump is much more sympathetic Jack Chitdarelly, but he's went

1097
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: some Seers forced own economy for governor who came around

1098
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: became a Trumper ran a pretty competitive reach. I think

1099
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: it was like three change points against Murphy four years ago. Correct,

1100
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: it was the pole's missed hit. By the way, New

1101
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: Jersey polling always is very, very erratic for what it's worth.

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Speaker 2: So I say all that because I kind of wonder

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00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: will Trump not only you know, it really helped hut

1104
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: a rally behind the scenes, but also can Trump get

1105
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: more money to chedter out?

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01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: Right? I look, I will tell you this. My spies

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01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: on the ground tell me Chittarelli's working harder. He's really

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01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: that there is he's learned some Look, running before and

1109
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: narrowly losing and not losing your mind is actually a

1110
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: pretty good recipe in governors. There's quite a few governors

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01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: who lost the first time they ran. Yeah, that is

1112
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: not that you know, especially if you didn't try to

1113
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: go do something else right, You come back and you

1114
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: do it again, and this time it's an open seat.

1115
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: Like how often have we seen that you come close

1116
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: against an incumbent, you don't quite get there? Because I

1117
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: always say this, the second hardest thing to do is

1118
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: to defeat a governor and a primary. The hardest thing

1119
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: to do is to defeat a president in a primary.

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Speaker 1: Right like these are the defeating a governor in primary

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01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: extraordinarily difficult. Defeating a governor in general extraordinarily difficult. It

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01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: doesn't happen very often, so we only had one in

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two mid and sitting governor lose, and.

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Speaker 4: So it is.

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Speaker 1: It is not easy. This is why, you know, I

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01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: do think Democrats nominated the best possible candidate. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it is Chitdarelli feels like Christie to me, and I

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01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: mean that as a compliment, a little Christie in him

1129
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: that feels like Christy had that right, Christy had that right.

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01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: Balance of Jersey and as you just said, there's just

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01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: something Jersey about Cheddarelli that that is that makes a

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01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: New Jersey person comfortable.

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01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: The difference is that the deeper polarization and frankly nationalization

1134
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 2: of politics between two thousand and nine and twenty twenty five,

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01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of folks in New Jersey who

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01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: are like Mikey Cheryl who aren't from there, who are

1137
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: you know, suburban, college educated people who find Trump to

1138
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: be anathema to everything that they stand and are never

1139
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: going to vote for the Trump Party. You know, isn't

1140
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: it interesting how many It's funny you bring that up, right,

1141
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 2: you've got like John Corzone was not from New Jersey, right,

1142
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 2: you have Cheryl not from New Jersey, Booker.

1143
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: Booker didn't when he wasn't born and raised born in Corey.

1144
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: Did grow up in Jersey or he is a New

1145
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: Jersey person, but there is some history of that. Yeah.

1146
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: Obviously Bill Bradley Missouri, right. I think both Bill Bradley

1147
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: and Corsine grew up and were born in Missouri.

1148
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: Right, then they Bill Bradley from Crystal City, Missouri, south

1149
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 2: of Saint Louis, and it comes east to go to Princeton,

1150
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: the Corps Corson grew up.

1151
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: I think a farm in Illinois is Illinois. I think

1152
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: you're right.

1153
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned this because I actually have this

1154
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 2: conversation with a prominent New Jersey in earlier this year,

1155
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: and my question was, would Mikey Cheryl be the least

1156
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: Jersey Jersey governor ever governor in modern history? Because she

1157
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: is much more of a kind of GGI for that

1158
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: is type figure you could drop her Eddy strim All

1159
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: in America. And by the way, I don't say that

1160
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Speaker 2: as a criticism of course that you know, well, there's

1161
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: a reminder that the suburbs. The suburbs are more like

1162
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 2: you know, the suburbs of Atlanta and the suburbs of

1163
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: Milwaukee have more in common than Milwaukee has with with

1164
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 2: with Scotch or Atlanta has with the Marjorie Taylor Green District. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1165
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Speaker 2: And I think the end I mean, the coresign was

1166
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 2: a farm kive in Illinois, but he was a banker

1167
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: of Goldman. Sure they have lived in northern New Jersey,

1168
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: and that's certainly a Jersey archtype.

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Speaker 1: You.

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01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 2: Tom Kane and Christy Todd Whitman were kind of both

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: to the man or born and have the accent. But

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01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: that's also a kind of Jersey arctive. There's a lot

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01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: of old money in New Jersey. And obviously Christy, for

1174
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: reasons that we all know, is very Jersey. So I

1175
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 2: think she is maybe that the sort of least Jersey

1176
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: Jersey figure in modern times.

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Speaker 1: Who are the governor? Let me wrap with this Labor

1178
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: Day brings right, Labor day before the labor day before

1179
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: the next election year is usually the start of the

1180
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: official sort of the more official start of the cycle.

1181
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: Right that it's really an eight you know, it's an

1182
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: eighteen month drive, right, fifteen month sprint to election day

1183
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: midterms twenty twenty six, which means, I'm we are going

1184
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: to get a handful of members who decide to seek reelection.

1185
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: If they decide they're not going to seek reelection.

1186
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: This is kind of the last accepted exit ramp, which

1187
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: is Labor Day this September move. Now, Look, we've got

1188
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: the House is a mess because of all the remaps, right,

1189
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 2: so that's going to in some ways that's a delayed thing.

1190
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 2: But let's talk about the Senate. Right, We've got Joni Ernst,

1191
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 2: who we don't know what she's going to do. I

1192
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: think that's still an open question. Susan Collins feels a

1193
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: little more of an open question. I think, but you

1194
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: tell me. But I feel like we're still we're still

1195
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: in the zone of we could.

1196
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: Have two or three more retirements, especially when people start

1197
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: to look at this, I think the spring of twenty six,

1198
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: if we're not in recession, we're awfully close. So if

1199
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: you're worried about if you don't really want to, if

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01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: you're looking at a third or fourth term and you're

1201
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: in there, you're in the president's party, you might decide

1202
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I'm out oh.

1203
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I think the uncertainty about

1204
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: the lines and the chaos next year will drive some

1205
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: away in the next month or two.

1206
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that.

1207
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: In the Senate, I think i'd split Ernston Collin to

1208
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: think Ernst unlikely to run for re election. I think

1209
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: the party rallies in less than twenty four hours around

1210
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 2: oh her fucking names so Ashley Hintston, Hintson, Hintson. Yeah,

1211
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: I agree with that. Opened up. Look, I think I

1212
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: was going to be one of the great say oh

1213
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: you're fine, You're fine, Ashley. I would split the I

1214
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: would split Ernston Collins. I think Ernst does not run again.

1215
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: The party rallies around actually Hintson the twenty four hours

1216
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: she's the congress woman from Cedar Rapids. I think that's

1217
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: a pretty clean extraction. I do think Colins ultimately runs again.

1218
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: She waited so long to have the gavel. Let's ended

1219
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: appropriations in some ways tragic now that they're doing all

1220
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: these precisions, which kind of takes away back.

1221
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: I do spending bills even matter anymore?

1222
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 2: If the Trump administrations, I mean, all the Southerners, right

1223
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 2: Cochrane Shelby, who held off for so long. If he

1224
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: curly gets the goblet appropriation, I don't think she wants

1225
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 2: to give that up too soon.

1226
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: I think Collins does run again for re election.

1227
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think in the House, certainly, we're going

1228
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: to see a lot of folks who just say this

1229
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: ain't worth it anymore. Where are you on Shared Brown?

1230
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 2: I mean he was running for governor. I wrote about

1231
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 2: this in May. I think he was leading that way.

1232
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: I think a couple of things happened. I think Schumer

1233
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 2: is very persuasive when it comes to recruiting folks for

1234
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: the Senate. I think he wants redemption for the Senate.

1235
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: Said he lost, he's a man of the Senate. I

1236
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: also think Chuck that he got promised a lot of

1237
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: money from Schumer that the DGA simply cannot guarantee in

1238
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: a red state open seat race. There's just not the

1239
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: money for a Democratic gov. Keep in Read America that

1240
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: there is for any high profile Democratic Senate canlet It's.

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Speaker 1: Just I hear that, and I just feel like it's

1242
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,919
Speaker 1: just such a miscalculation. I think Ramaswami is the most

1243
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: vulnerable potential. If you were the Democrats and said, if

1244
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: we have to run against anybody. You'd want a guy

1245
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: who's tied to Medicaid cuts, who's tied to the weirdness

1246
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: of Elon Muskin, Kennemine, you know, like to me Ramaswami, like,

1247
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: I think, John Houston. Here's here's why I'm I. Look,

1248
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: it's an easier commute if you'll run. I give Schumer

1249
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: credit for persuading Brown, because if you couldn't get Brown,

1250
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,479
Speaker 1: you couldn't put that race in play.

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01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 2: But who's the incumbent, Houston or Brown? I know, I

1252
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: know what a voters thing I think. If I'm John Houston,

1253
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 2: I could say, hey, I just got here. This guy

1254
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 2: keeps wanting to come back.

1255
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: Why is that?

1256
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure Schumer said, you know the history of appointees shared.

1257
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: You know those who are appointed are we And there's

1258
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: truth to that. Okay, but guess what happens if if

1259
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 2: you know what the prize for shared.

1260
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,919
Speaker 1: Brown's victory is, he has to run again in two years,

1261
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: So two hundred million dollar races in a presidential cycle

1262
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: in a red state, which was.

1263
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Speaker 2: That with j Jadi Vans might be on the top

1264
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: of the ticket, which is why he lost last year.

1265
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I think the gove Path was I

1266
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: can't believe Brown got talked into this. And I mean,

1267
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: like I said, you're right, Schumer deserves credit for his

1268
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: powers of persuasion. Yeah, all right, I give him that.

1269
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 1: It just feels like a I think it's a tougher

1270
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 1: race for Brown and also than they sold to him.

1271
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Speaker 1: It's easier to win a red state away game if

1272
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: you're a Democrat running for Gold then this Senate because

1273
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: the issues are different.

1274
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 2: Look, I am I was a I was a literally

1275
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 2: a fly on the wall for a polling presentation for

1276
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: Amy acting that it was designed to be semi public

1277
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Speaker 2: like they want I get, you know, and it was.

1278
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Speaker 2: It was from Molly Murphy, who's who's a really good

1279
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 2: bolster Democratic side, and it was Now, in hindsight, it's

1280
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: obvious they put they knew what Brown was going to do,

1281
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: so they were given like, you know, hey, go go

1282
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 2: make your case. You're you're likely going to be the

1283
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: nominee now. And look the Rama Swammy numbers are.

1284
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is, and I don't And it's

1285
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: possible that in a lesser known candidate like Acton can

1286
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: make Ramaswami a referendum and maybe shared Brown couldn't. Right,

1287
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: Like in a weird way you might, you might say

1288
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: that actually being a slightly lower profile where they the

1289
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: other person about the other person.

1290
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: Which is why I think it is why Shared Brown

1291
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: has a harder time in that race, because who's the

1292
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: go back, who's the incumbent?

1293
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: You know?

1294
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 2: But Chuck who share a raising money for from it's

1295
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 2: running for a job Ventnor And you should check out

1296
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 2: how much dramaswam He already has on hand too.

1297
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: Oh I know, Oh, I know it is. It's a

1298
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: mountain of crypto money.

1299
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 2: I know, I know. This is the Democrats problem that

1300
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 2: you go to Hollywood, you go to the Upper West

1301
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: Side of Manhattan, you go to the vacation enclaves already

1302
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 2: Martha's venue.

1303
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: You're ready for the Senate. You're running for the Senate,

1304
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: you can clean.

1305
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 2: Up, you're on a fad of and you're talking about

1306
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 2: the care issues facing the budget in Columbus next year.

1307
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, their eyes closed over man, you know. And yet

1308
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: this is why the Democratic Party is not a national

1309
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: party anymore, right, it is. It is just a Washington party.

1310
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,879
Speaker 1: They're constantly trying to get part of power in Washington,

1311
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: failing to realize that if they don't have power in

1312
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: the States, it's that much harder to get power in Washington.

1313
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got a following the way to start getting

1314
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: money down the thinking. Now, I will say that there

1315
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 2: has been an effort when it comes to secretaries of

1316
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 2: state to really drive home the importance of the attorneys general.

1317
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: I feel like trial lawyers in particularly been tapped in

1318
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: to those races in a more effective way than you've seen.

1319
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: You don't see the global the global effort to help

1320
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,560
Speaker 1: state capital democrats in ways that they got to have.

1321
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, you're right, Yeah, all right, who's your what's

1322
01:10:54,040 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: your college football attendance schedule? Hopefully robust. I've got a

1323
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: I've got a full calendar right now, at least through November.

1324
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 4: One.

1325
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:08,719
Speaker 1: Brother, I got Miami Notre Dame. I got Miami versus Florida.

1326
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 1: I've got Miami versus Florida State. I've got s m

1327
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: U versus Miami. Do you see a theme here? I

1328
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: got s m U Miami's. Miami's first road game outside

1329
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: the state of Florida is at s m U in

1330
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: Dallas November first. Their third road game out of Florida

1331
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: is November. How about that?

1332
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 2: Because they're they're on the road in Tallahassee. They're exactly so,

1333
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 2: and uh, you know so that's that's my schedule. That's

1334
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: my schedule so far.

1335
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 4: It's my first real college football freedom scheduled. Last twenty

1336
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 4: twenty four, I didn't have this freedom. You are you are,

1337
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 4: You're a little more. L s U yeah and TCU right, yeah, yeah,

1338
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 4: we love that. We love the frogs and they have

1339
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 4: that that dream, that dream march to the national title game.

1340
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 4: But I feel like I thought this is going to

1341
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 4: be a good year for LSU. Chuck, I'm really liking, Well, what.

1342
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 1: If it's not right? I mean, Brian Kelly, this is

1343
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: this is a classic case where he either wins the

1344
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: national title or he's fired like it is. It is

1345
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: Glen Garry, Glenn Ross. Right, I don't think you've got

1346
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: to win the title.

1347
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 2: I think he's probably got to get to the final four, though,

1348
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm not got to get into the playoff.

1349
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: He's got.

1350
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: It doesn't give the playoff. It's a disaster, right, That's

1351
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 2: what I mean that the right first place is a Cadillac.

1352
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: Second place is you know, playoff? Okay, well you get

1353
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 2: to keep your job. Third place you're fired like gasc

1354
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 2: title game but doesn't get to the playoff.

1355
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: He's gone. Nobody cares.

1356
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 2: You got to make a run in the playoff, and

1357
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 2: I think they can. The question I have is is

1358
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: can can they fill in gaps that in the secondary

1359
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 2: and on the offensive line. I think those are hugely

1360
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 2: uncertain questions that they open at Clemson. Uls you keep

1361
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 2: scheduling these damn tough open.

1362
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: I actually I admire that. And did you see the

1363
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 1: SEC rules? They're going to go to nine conference games

1364
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: from eight and they have to play one power for opponent.

1365
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: I no more. You know, we have to open at

1366
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: Clemson anyway. So Death Valley versus Death Valley, that's a

1367
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: game that I expected Jonathan Martin to be attending. Well

1368
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: Valley is the battle of the Death Valleys. Yeah.

1369
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Clemson in August is not exactly

1370
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 2: is not exactly Nantauculos put it that way. Seven of all, Chuck,

1371
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 2: I would say to be totally key, Tod. I have

1372
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 2: jinx LSU and so many openers in the last six

1373
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 2: to seven years that I'm just.

1374
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: Not going to do it again.

1375
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 2: Okay at the Rose Bowl, neutral sites in New Orleans,

1376
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 2: neutral site in Las Vegas.

1377
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: They're over.

1378
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're over, and I'm just not going to do

1379
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 2: it again. So they will open with that al me

1380
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: and I hope that they can get a win. What

1381
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 2: nuss Meyer's coming back. I think he's going to be

1382
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: one of the top quarterbacks in the country. Amazing receiving core,

1383
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 2: develop a running game, offensive line transfers come through.

1384
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: There's no reason they shouldn't make a run deep in

1385
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs. My favorite group of five team that could

1386
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: make the playoff is James Madison. How are you feeling

1387
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: about your home stay? A fun story, I mean, and

1388
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 1: then we're a one double, a.

1389
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: Powerhouse for so many years and they get a bit

1390
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 2: of an inferior complex and please no hate mail Duke's

1391
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 2: and they've made the jump to D one and boy,

1392
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 2: you know they're doing well and chuck the stadium experience.

1393
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 2: Just drive down eighty one Harrisonburg. I thingful a Tage Mahall.

1394
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:33,959
Speaker 2: Now it's incredible.

1395
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: Can I tell you? The other thing is sort of

1396
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: you know how Look, college sports does help improve your

1397
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: college application process and the number of kids in my

1398
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: son's grades. Oh yeah, that preferred James Madison over VA

1399
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 1: Tech ten years ago, VA Tech because of their football

1400
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: powis had become really started to rival UVA as a

1401
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: school of interest to a lot of kids and know

1402
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: the but Jake, but now that Va Tech has had

1403
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, basically ever since Beamer left, it just they've struggled.

1404
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 1: And it's James Madison's really the football power of Virginia

1405
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: sr UVA and it's helped. And you, like my son,

1406
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: he can't believe the number. You know, you gotta love Snapchat.

1407
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 1: You can geographically see where all your friends are. What's

1408
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 1: college move in was?

1409
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 2: And he looked at he goes, kind, I didn't realize

1410
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,799
Speaker 2: how many of my friends were going to James Madison.

1411
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: He goes I'm glad I didn't end up there. It

1412
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 2: to have been like thirteenth grade.

1413
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:32,520
Speaker 1: But it has really become you know, their advancement in athletics,

1414
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: as I think in everything you hear, it's really improved

1415
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: the entire school's bottom line academically, financially. So I have

1416
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: to admit, I'm I'm as a Virginian transplant. You know,

1417
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 1: I've paid more taxes in Virginia than any other state.

1418
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's need to say.

1419
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 2: Now it's fun to say, you know, the nickname for

1420
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 2: Jmu for a long time was just missed Uva and.

1421
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: Bat and sports though, man, they're they're taking a no

1422
01:15:59,640 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: and you.

1423
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 2: Know, but James Madison is the father of the Constitution,

1424
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: and my god, I wish we had more people that

1425
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 2: followed the Constitution. So full circle, my friend Johnathan Martin,

1426
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: go enjoy your week zero football games. Let's hear it

1427
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,440
Speaker 2: for the cyclones, go Quille.

1428
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: All right, let's do a little ask Chuck, Ask Chuck.

1429
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: We got a decent number of questions today. I don't

1430
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 1: know how many I'll get through. I'd pick I'll try

1431
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: to get through four, maybe five. We'll see how long

1432
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 1: I ramble on here. Question one here, This comes from

1433
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:49,799
Speaker 1: Dylan Lebanon, Pennsylvania, Swing state. Very appreciated. Can you explain

1434
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: how a vice presidential pick can boost or hurt a

1435
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: campaign with some examples of both. Also, do you think

1436
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: that if Gored picked Graham, Bob Graham over Joe Lieberman

1437
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: in two thousand, he beats Bush? Well, that's it's a

1438
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: it's a It's certainly something many of us Floridians believe.

1439
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 2: Right.

1440
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: Was Bob Graham worth five hundred and thirty eight votes. Right,

1441
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: Bush won by five hundred and thirty seven votes. Officially,

1442
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: was Bob Graham worth five hundred and thirty eight votes?

1443
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 1: The answer is yes, Right? The point is do running

1444
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: mates matter? Well, if an election is decided by five

1445
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eighty seven votes, having that person from

1446
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: the home state probably is worth something. Right? Is it

1447
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: a half a percentage point? Is it a whole percentage point?

1448
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: Is it too? You could? I don't think we've had

1449
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: enough instances to prove it. Does John Kennedy carry Texas

1450
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: without olbj right now? Michael Ducacas had Lloyd Benson, a

1451
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 1: Texas Senator, on trying to do the same Massachusetts Texas

1452
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: pairing was trying to invoke Kennedy Johnson with Douke Coccus Benson,

1453
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush Kerry Texas. So you know, it

1454
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: is it's one of those things that I think is

1455
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: extraordinarily overrated, right, which is is I do think you're

1456
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: better off picking a running mate to help you with

1457
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: a state or help you with an image issue. Right,

1458
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: So as much, you know, let's take your two thousand example,

1459
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 1: I do believe Bob Graham on the ticket is better

1460
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 1: than Joe Lieberman for carrying Florida. But Joe Lieberman getting

1461
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: Joe Lieberman was a way for al Gore to separate

1462
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: from Bill Clinton on a character level in a way

1463
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: that served Gore well. I think it when you look

1464
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: at the Gore surge, it really begins the naming of

1465
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: Lieberman and the idea that he was his own person.

1466
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: He was separating himself from Clinton. It was seen as

1467
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest critic of Bill Clinton's morality in

1468
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party at that time was seen as Joe Lieberman.

1469
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: So that created that and it you know, and boy

1470
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 1: did Bill Clinton hate those headlines. And I know there

1471
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: are some that will argue that Gore should have wrapped

1472
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: his arms around Clinton even more right, And the one

1473
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 1: Democrat who did wrap his arms around Bill Clinton was

1474
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: a Democrat named Jade Dicky in the fourth District of Arkansas.

1475
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: He was a Democratic incumbent. He wanted Bill Clinton's help,

1476
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: and Jay Dickey won reelection. And Bill Clinton made sure

1477
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: everybody knew that the one place he did campaign, he

1478
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,919
Speaker 1: was an asset, not a liability. Obviously that was Arkansas.

1479
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: But still we could And yet George W. Bush is essential,

1480
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: you know, he was running against Bill Clinton's character the

1481
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: entire campaign, right, his tagline was I'm going to restore

1482
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 1: honor and integrity into the White House. He wasn't running

1483
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: against Al Gore. He was running against Bill Clinton and

1484
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky, and he was running against sort of are

1485
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: you exhausted from this? Not saying whether he should be,

1486
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: he did not. You know, he separated himself from all

1487
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 1: the impeachment nut jobs and all of that stuff. But

1488
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 1: he was running on character and Gore taking character off

1489
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: the table. Suddenly even that race out. So and then

1490
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: you throw in the kiss, right, which said, hey, look

1491
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: at this marriage. Now the irony of course Bill and

1492
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton are still together, Alan Tipper or not, So

1493
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, irony is what it is.

1494
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: But at the time, so you know, Lieberman did help. Collectively,

1495
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: it helped reinforce a message. Right. It's about reinforcing a message, right,

1496
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton picking Al Gore was reinforcing a youthful message. Now,

1497
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: there was also a tactical reason he picked oult Gore

1498
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: in it. At the time, Ross Perot, when he picked

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01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: out Gore, ros Parou was the leader in the presidential race.

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01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: It looked like an even three way race that this

1501
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: was going to be an electoral college knife fight, and

1502
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: in an electoral college knife fight in the early nineties,

1503
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: the Democrats benefit from a Southern strategy, so going with

1504
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: an all Southern ticket would have allowed them and it

1505
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 1: would open the door. And you basically, you know, the

1506
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: Democratic vote being largely African American in many of these

1507
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: Southern states, the Democratic floor is thirty eight, thirty nine,

1508
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: forty percent in many of those states, versus the Republican

1509
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: floor if you're splitting it with pro now par ends

1510
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,839
Speaker 1: up dropping out then getting back in, and Bush essentially

1511
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: consolidated enough vote where where only I think Clinton did

1512
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: carry Georgia, does Cary, Arkansas, it does carry Tennessee. So

1513
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: he certainly overperformed in the Southern states having an all

1514
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: Southern ticket. But that was so I could make a

1515
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: both practical case and it reinforced this hey young change message, right,

1516
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: so you know you can. It's one of those things

1517
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: where you can argue both sides. Now, Kamala Harris, I

1518
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: don't think did a single thing for Joe Biden, right,

1519
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if it hurt them, I don't know

1520
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: if it helped them. And I would love to know

1521
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 1: what val Deming's been enough to help find three percentage

1522
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, three percentage points in Florida. I don't know, right,

1523
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: we can't. You know. That's that's why it's impossible to

1524
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 1: sit here and say, you know, can can these running

1525
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: mates help in a specific way? You know? Did Vance

1526
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: add any thing to the numbers in Ohio? For Trump?

1527
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: I'd argue no, So I don't know. Advance was an asset.

1528
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:10,879
Speaker 1: In fact, it could argue that maybe he brought more problems,

1529
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: potential problems to the ticket than he did a good

1530
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: upside of course. Financially though for Trump, Vance was a

1531
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 1: huge upside because Silicon Valley wont advance, and they gave

1532
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: Advance in the crypto community and they all came in heavy.

1533
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: So it so, I guess the question over VP picks,

1534
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: it's what do you need from your VP pick? Do

1535
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:38,600
Speaker 1: you need a state? Do you need to unite a

1536
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: faction of your party? Right? Reagan picked Bush not for

1537
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 1: a state, but to bring the moderates into the fold,

1538
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: the sort of the forward wing of the party. It

1539
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: was originally going to be Reagan Ford in nineteen eighty

1540
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: and it instead became Reagan Bush. So it is there

1541
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: are examples of when it works or examples when it doesn't.

1542
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,560
Speaker 1: It's still usually like ninety five percent of of the

1543
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: equation is the top of the ticket in a super

1544
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 1: close race. That's when you can look at examples of

1545
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: the bottom of look. I think Sarah Palin helped McCain

1546
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: lose by less than he would have lost by. You know,

1547
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: McCain wanted Liberman Gore. Obama Biden I think beats McCain

1548
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: Lieberman by a bigger margin because the base of the

1549
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: Republican Party, particularly the pro life community, would have probably

1550
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 1: sat on their hands. And I think that I think

1551
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: Obama probably wins Georgia. He already won North Carolina that year,

1552
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: and he probably gets awfully close in like a place

1553
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: like Mississippi or South Carolina. When I say awfully close,

1554
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: like within five points, I think it becomes because I

1555
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: think that was what McCain was warned about, which is,

1556
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 1: be careful if you pick a Democrat, particularly an abortion issue,

1557
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and eight. So I'd argue that

1558
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: Sarah Palin helped McCain. I think Sarah Palin saved Georgia

1559
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: for the Republicans in that electoral So The point is

1560
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: is I think you can. You can look at it

1561
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: through one eye and make one case, look at it

1562
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: through the other eye. Again, it's still ninety five percent

1563
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: about the top of the ticket, but in a super

1564
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: close selection, everything matters, all right. Next question, Hey, Chuck,

1565
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm a recent college grad who now is the time

1566
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: to read for pleasure? Again? Do you have a book

1567
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: suggestion or two? I'd love a suggestion for a non

1568
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: political book if you have one. I'm from Michigan, where

1569
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: people are already canvassing for Jocelyn Benson at the local

1570
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: farmers market Mike dug and billboards are all over the place,

1571
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: and my phone is blowing up with political texts. I

1572
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 1: want something non political to read. Well, I'll tell you

1573
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: this stuff that i've I guess it's look. I'll admit

1574
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm mostly a history and nerd. I if you're tired

1575
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: of the political side of things, but you want some nonfiction,

1576
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: I would recommend a few of these business it's biographies.

1577
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: You're from Michigan, I actually think you'd enjoy the memoir

1578
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,759
Speaker 1: of Leiah Coca, who was the former chairman of Chrysler,

1579
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: because the coolest part of it is learning about Lei

1580
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: Coca was the father of the mustang. He's from soup

1581
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 1: to nuts, and the book helps you understand the history

1582
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: of the auto industry in Michigan. So that might be

1583
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 1: and it's an easy read. Look Lee, on one hand,

1584
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 1: it's a way back in time. So it's a forty

1585
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: five year old book, all right. So I apologize for going,

1586
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: but I was just trying to think of things that

1587
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: that that might can you know, that might be of

1588
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: interest to you, tell you something about the history of

1589
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 1: your state without that. If you're a baseball fan, there's

1590
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: a couple of books that I that I've really enjoyed

1591
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: over the years that are historical in nature. A history

1592
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: of the of the Negro Leagues. It was called only

1593
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: the Ball Was White, and it was. It is a

1594
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,719
Speaker 1: history of the legendary black players and all black professional teams.

1595
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: It's more than just a book about baseball, more than

1596
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: just a book about racial justice. It's also a history

1597
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: of the country. Right. It's a history of and so

1598
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: a purely entertainment book. If you're a basketball fan, history

1599
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 1: of the ABA, which was the league, you know, the

1600
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: sort of it was the fun league of basketball, right.

1601
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 1: The ABA gives three point shot. Right. If you like

1602
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: today's modern NBA, you have the ABA to think, right.

1603
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: The dunk contests began in the ABA. Three point shot.

1604
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: All those things all began in the ABA. It's an

1605
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: oral history called Loose Balls, and it is just fabulous.

1606
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 1: There's Bob Costas, cameos, all sorts of fascinating figures from

1607
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: that era. And it also is culturally a great history

1608
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,560
Speaker 1: of the nineteen seventies, the good and the bad and

1609
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: everything in between. It's great, there are and it triggered

1610
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: two other oral histories. Big fan of oral histories. They're

1611
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: just I just enjoy them quite a bit. One is

1612
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: on the History of SNL by Tom Shales and the

1613
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: History of SNL, which was done I believe it was

1614
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 1: for the fortieth anniversary at the time by Tom Shales

1615
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: and Andrew Miller and James excuse me, and James and

1616
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: Jim Miller, who's somebody I've known a long time sort

1617
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: of in the history of the TV business. They also

1618
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: did the History of ESPN, which also was a fun

1619
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: little oral history of sort of ESPN's early days in

1620
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: the late seventies and eighties and all the different near

1621
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: misses for ESPN. Both positive and negative. So those were

1622
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 1: fun and oral histories that they're very thick books, but

1623
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 1: oral histories you can read fast. And if you're looking

1624
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 1: for some fiction, older Carl Hyason is a lot of fun.

1625
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: His new stuff's too political. It won't give you the

1626
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: break that you're looking for. So I have no idea

1627
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: whether I gave you good ideas or not, whether it's

1628
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: anything that will entertain you there, And I apologize for

1629
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: giving you older books because all the new stuff that

1630
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: I read is all history and politics these days. All right.

1631
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: Next question, it's from Jim in Tobahana, Pennsylvania. But he says,

1632
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 1: go Buffalo bills. Do you anticipate there may be any

1633
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: modifications in the post Trump era to limit executive power? Well,

1634
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: I hope so. But I don't think anybody runs for

1635
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: president of a major party nomination and then comes in

1636
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 1: and limits their own power. Right, they'll say it. Joe

1637
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: Biden said he would support, for instance, decreasing executive authority

1638
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:48,560
Speaker 1: on the More Powers Act and things like that. But

1639
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 1: did he do it right? Did it actually happen? I

1640
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: think it's going to take an outsider breaking up both

1641
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 1: parties for a term or something like that. That runs

1642
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: on this and runs on sort of constitutional restoration of

1643
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: the of the checks and balances. But I don't know

1644
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 1: if the public is ready for a message like that yet.

1645
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I wish it were. I think this is desperately needed.

1646
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: I think we're we're you know, I think this redistricting

1647
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: knife fight that we're seeing between you know, best exemplified

1648
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: by Texas and California, is a primal scream for a

1649
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: constitutional convention. We really need to refresh the rules of

1650
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: our democracy and rebuild some things here. Some of it

1651
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 1: needs to be refreshed, some of it needs to be renewed,

1652
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 1: and some of it needs to be subtracted in attitude. Right,

1653
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 1: but we we have a mess in our hands. It

1654
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:47,879
Speaker 1: is created the conditions that allow for somebody to hijack

1655
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: the government. And that's what's been happened, right. It's, you know,

1656
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: a cult of personality reanimated a dying political party and

1657
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: was able to shape it into his own vision. And

1658
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: it is he has recreated a political machine without it,

1659
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,440
Speaker 1: without an ideology, if anything, it's just a cult the personality.

1660
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 1: You know, if you've ever read the history of Tammany

1661
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: Hall or any of these party machines, Trump is trying

1662
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: to essentially bring it back, bring back the political machine,

1663
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: if you will.

1664
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 4: And.

1665
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: Democrats might be you know, my fear is that in reaction,

1666
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: Democrats sort of start behaving like machine party themselves, right,

1667
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 1: and they're doing it now, rallying around a bad idea

1668
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 1: like redistricting in California. You know, when your answer to

1669
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:44,440
Speaker 1: disenfranchising voters in Texas is to disenfranchised voters in California.

1670
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: And you want to be the constitutional party, you want

1671
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 1: to be the adult in the room. So I think

1672
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 1: there will be an appetite by some to try to

1673
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:59,520
Speaker 1: limit to try to sort of Trump proof the presidency

1674
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: after he leaves, But a lot of it depends on

1675
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: who replaces them and how he's replaced. All right, I'll

1676
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:10,560
Speaker 1: make this the final question here. This comes from Marcus R.

1677
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,839
Speaker 1: President Trump is attack pressured and threatened federal employees, colleges,

1678
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 1: media organizations, corporations, foreign countries, state governments, FISA holders, legal immigrants,

1679
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: and others with little to no resistance or consequences. His

1680
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 1: attacks are often based on dubious assertions or outright lies.

1681
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: It seems like he already has the power of a king.

1682
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: What would stop him from issuing an executive order stating

1683
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 1: that the Democratic Party is a terrorist organization and all

1684
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: Democratic leaders have the choice of switching to the Republican

1685
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 1: Party or be arrested. Based on the previous responses from

1686
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party leaders to Trump's power grabs, it seems

1687
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: like they would fall apart, like what toilet paper if

1688
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: that happened? Thank you. Well, Look, you get at sort

1689
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 1: of the dilemma that I think the Trump resistance is

1690
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,560
Speaker 1: running into. How do you push back on this and

1691
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: do you use any means necessary or do you try

1692
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:58,560
Speaker 1: to continue to follow some form of principles so that

1693
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: you can when the argument the right way. And maybe

1694
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 1: it's easy for me to say, you know, ends justifies

1695
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:11,600
Speaker 1: the means. Well, you know this is not going to

1696
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: end well. And I still don't believe it ends well.

1697
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: If Donald Trump is able to successfully radicalize both parties,

1698
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: that's troubling and that's my fear here. And yet you're

1699
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 1: not wrong. I think the real problem and the real

1700
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 1: reason why Trump is getting away with more this term

1701
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:33,719
Speaker 1: than he did the last term, is that we're missing

1702
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: Republicans with spines. There were quite a few Republicans that

1703
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: had working spines in the twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen,

1704
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: there are no elected Republicans left with a spine outside

1705
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 1: of Lisa Murkowski, right, I think she's it. Maybe Spencer

1706
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: Cox in Utah maybe so, maybe the governor of Vermont

1707
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 1: has a spine, and Phil Scott. But for the most part, right,

1708
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 1: there's no Republican pushback because the Republican pushback gave the

1709
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 1: Democratic pushback legitimacy. Right, It gave cover to corporate leaders

1710
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 1: to feel as if they were being above politics by

1711
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 1: pushing back. And you know, Trump basically crying bias and

1712
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: partisanship at every criticism has effectively neutered critics, the non

1713
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: political critics, and now the Democrats are alone in criticizing. Right.

1714
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 1: It's a that's a I guess a catch twenty two

1715
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 1: if you want to use that metaphor. But it certainly

1716
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 1: I think is a problem that the real, I mean,

1717
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 1: the real failure of accountability on Trump is his own party, right.

1718
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 1: You know, the Democrats can only do so much here.

1719
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 1: They were more The reason there was successful pushback at

1720
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: Trump in eighteen is that it was bipartisan. It was

1721
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 1: coming from multiple corners, you know, obviously more from one

1722
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 1: spot than the other. But you know, I don't see

1723
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,679
Speaker 1: any new list Cheney's walking through that door. I don't

1724
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: see any new Bob Krker's walking through that door. I

1725
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 1: don't see any new Jeff Flake's walking through that door.

1726
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 1: So it's I think that's I think that's why it

1727
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: feels like the Democrats don't know what to do. It

1728
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 1: is also a party that's just a mess right now.

1729
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean you've seen it. It's you know this is

1730
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 1: this goes back to and my last substack got into this,

1731
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 1: but you know it. The party was so convinced that

1732
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,600
Speaker 1: demographics were on their side. It's almost as if they

1733
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: decided they didn't need to have to worry about what

1734
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 1: voters thought of them because the demographics were going to

1735
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:53,560
Speaker 1: overcome any messaging problems that they would have. But you know,

1736
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 1: when you lose two and a half million voter registrations

1737
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: in four years while the other party gains two and

1738
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: a half million voter registrations, right, you've lost, You've lost

1739
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:07,679
Speaker 1: the plot on this front. I think it's I'm shocked

1740
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: that there has not been a bigger house cleaning of

1741
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: Democratic leadership. I'm shocked that there's not been more innovative ideas,

1742
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:20,600
Speaker 1: you know more, I'm shocked at the at the you know,

1743
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: I think the reason Gavin Newsom has sort of filled

1744
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 1: the void for the moment is nobody else is filling

1745
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 1: the void. But I'm not sure that's the answer. But

1746
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm the one that's out of touch.

1747
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: But I think that if the answer to an undemocratic,

1748
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:45,600
Speaker 1: unconstitutional movement is not to throw away democratic principles and

1749
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 1: throw away constitutional ideals, I just think the long term

1750
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: consequences of that it sort of I think it accelerates

1751
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: our decline and accelerates the possibility that we lose the republic.

1752
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 1: I think you got to give the voters something to

1753
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 1: fight for if everything is becomes purely transactional, which in

1754
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 1: some ways the Democrats are accepting that premise. Right, if

1755
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 1: you accept the premise that this is the only rule

1756
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: that matters, you know, that that is that is how

1757
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,680
Speaker 1: that that is how democracies crumble, right, That's essentially what

1758
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: Turkey is. Yeah, it's a democracy sort of, you know,

1759
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 1: but it's just that sort of. And by the way,

1760
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 1: everything's gotten worse than Turkey everything, so it hasn't been

1761
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: good for them to be this sort of democratic authoritarianism

1762
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 1: that they've been under, which is kind of what Trump's

1763
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 1: trying to create, right authoritarianism view with democratic Uh sort

1764
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: of support if you will, Smaaldy. But I think you're

1765
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 1: right to be concerned about what Trump will do. I

1766
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: just you know, I do think that lived experience will

1767
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: still trump everything else, and if everybody's paying more to

1768
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 1: get by, it does. I don't know how many indictments

1769
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 1: or proclamations he can put out. I don't know if

1770
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 1: he can win that, you know, if he can overcome

1771
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: that obstacle? All right? With that, I hope, do you?

1772
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 1: This is for some of you, the last week before

1773
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 1: the big, big September push. For others, it's a back

1774
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: to school week for quite a few, particularly on the

1775
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 1: university level classes. If it didn't start last week, just

1776
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: about everything else starts this week. So with that, I

1777
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 1: will take a rest for forty eight hours and see

1778
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: on Wednesday.