1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Bye there, everybody, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: and I'm an editor at how stuff works dot com. 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: Sitting next to me, as usual, is Jonathan Strickland, one 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: of our senior writers. Hey there, Crispy. All right, then 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting that. I know, That's why I threw 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: the one out there. All right, So today we're going 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: to talk about a subject that UM is. I don't 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: know if I'd go so far as to say controversial, 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: but I'll definitely go so far as to say there's 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: conflicting information about it. We're gonna be talking about cell 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: phones and environments in which you aren't supposed to use them. 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Oh that's a not like that. No, No, let's not 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: go there, none of the cutting out stuff. Okay, So ready, 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: I was like, oh now I've been derailed. People send 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: your email directly to UM. So we're gonna talk about 19 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: specifically two different environments in which you are at least 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: sometimes told you are not supposed to use your cell phone. 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: That would be hospitals and airplanes, but not not an 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: airplane in a hospital or vice versa. You're not I'm 23 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: not supposed to use it twice as much there? Uh anyway, alright, 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: So why would anyone tell you that you should not 25 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: use a cell phone in one of these environments? Do 26 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: you want to take a stab at it? Chris? Yes? 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: All right. You know what, we actually have a question 28 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: of the Day on the site dedicated to this very 29 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: topic or these very topics, and uh, in short, it's 30 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: radio interference. Yes, there are a lot of communications that 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: are going on any any given time in these environments 32 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: and they are concerned that cell phone reception and could 33 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 1: interfere with those communications. Right, So when you think about 34 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: cell phones, they are radio frequency generators and receivers. I mean, 35 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: that's that's how they that's how you communicate over a 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: cell phone is through radio frequencies. So this really fits 37 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: into a larger umbrella of electro magnetic interference, which encompasses 38 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: everything from radio waves to just about everything else you 39 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: can imagine that involves electrons. So anything like an integrated 40 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: circuit can create electromagnetic interference. Um and depending upon how 41 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: close you are to UH to sensitive equipment, how well 42 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: that equipment is shielded, the uh, the kind of antenna 43 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: that equipment has, how powerful your cell phone is. You 44 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: may or may not actually affect anything UM to a 45 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: degree that is actually noticeable, but the possibility is enough 46 00:02:54,600 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: to make people scared. Sorry, no, go ahead. Yeah. By shielding, UM, 47 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: what we mean here is a lot of electronics, actually 48 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: virtually everything UM has some kind of shielding in it. 49 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: If you've ever taken apart um an electronic device and 50 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: seeing that thin metal uh section in there, and you've gone, 51 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: what is this for? Doesn't it's flimsy, it doesn't have 52 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: anything to do with anything. Well, it's it's shielding, And 53 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: it's basically the kind of thing that should be in 54 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: your speakers when you set next your cell phone next 55 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: to it and make sure your speakers do that little 56 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: clipping noise that Yeah, yeah, that's that's because your your 57 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: speakers are have faulty shielding or lousy shielding, cheap cheap shielding, shielding. 58 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: There's lots of different adjectives we can throw in there, 59 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: but yeah, it means that the it's whenever your cell 60 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: phone is connecting with a cell phone tower, UM, then 61 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: the that signal is is actually getting picked up by 62 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: the speaker. Uh. This can happen because of multiple reasons. 63 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: There's the possibility that your phone is operating on a 64 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: frequency that is very close to or identical to the 65 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: frequency that the that the other devices using. Sometimes it 66 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: doesn't even need to work work on a on a frequency, 67 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: it's just the fact that the radio frequencies themselves are interfering. 68 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Or it can do this thing called intermodulation. Now, that's 69 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: when you have one piece of equipment that relies upon 70 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: radio frequencies to transmit data or receive data, and another 71 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: gadget in this general vicinity that also uses radio frequencies, 72 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: and they're using two different frequencies. So generally you would 73 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: say that these wouldn't overlap, you know, if you have 74 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: a lot of different gadgets, but they're all operating on 75 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: different frequencies. Theoretically, they're not going to really interfere with 76 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: each other. They're not they're not communicating on the same string, 77 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: if you want to think of it that way. But 78 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: sometimes frequencies can sort of intermingle a little bit. This intermodulation, 79 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: you'll you'll get little spikes in the the transmission which 80 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: if you're using something that's really sensitive, um, a very 81 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: sensitive piece of equipment, that could translate into a faulty 82 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: reading or a malfunction. Which that's where you start thinking, 83 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: all right, now, this is a serious problem and basically 84 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: just bleeds over into those harmonic side bands. Yes, exactly, 85 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: you know it just it's it's sort of it's not 86 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: nice and neat. It doesn't stay in its own lane. 87 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: It's to swerve out into the other part of traffic. Yeah, 88 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: anything that's harmonic, we're talking about a frequency that's sort 89 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: of a multiplier of the main frequency you're talking about. 90 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: So anything that's related to it on a on a 91 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: different factor than then you're gonna have some issues with 92 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: some harmonic interference. So what does this mean with the hospitals, Well, 93 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: it means that if you were to have a cell 94 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: phone and you were near a sensitive piece of equipment 95 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: and your cell phone then tries to contact the cell tower, 96 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: that interference could cause that equipment to give out, like 97 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: I said, of faulty reading or even fail. And of 98 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: course in the hospitals, there are a lot of pieces 99 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: of equipment that are uh pretty pivotal to people's survival. 100 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: So in general, a lot of hospitals will ban cell 101 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: phones out right now. I should also add that cell 102 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: phones have advanced quite a bit since they first hit 103 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: the scene, and now they're so well tuned that usually 104 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: the frequencies don't interfere as often. And also a lot 105 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: of equipment has much better error correction uh software and 106 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: and hardware, so they don't necessarily pick up rogue frequencies 107 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: the way they used to, so they're not as big 108 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: a threat as they used to be. Yeah, there's this 109 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: myth about a four year old girl actually went out 110 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: in a chain email a while back. Um, and I 111 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: saw this on Snopes when I was doing research for 112 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: this podcast. And apparently the myth goes that this sway 113 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: old girl broke her leg and required surgery and everything 114 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: was going fine until suddenly she flatlined and died. And 115 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: when the doctor walked out, he found a woman in 116 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: the hallway using her cell phone and he smashed it, 117 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, there was a brew ha ha 118 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: between the pain, the doctor, and the person out in 119 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: the hallway because the doctor had to tell the parents 120 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: that his that their daughter had died because someone was 121 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: using a cell phone in a hospital. Um. No, Yeah, 122 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: I was about to say, I'm assuming there's no actual 123 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: support or evidence of that being true. No. No, As 124 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, a snows found that there was nothing. 125 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: Uh you know, there were no reports of anybody dying 126 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: as the result of cell phone interference with medical equipment, although, um, 127 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: there is there is some interference that can result from 128 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: cell phones on different frequencies. Um. The Mayo Clinic did 129 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: a study in in two thousand seven in which they said, basically, 130 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: you don't need to worry about it, um, but there 131 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: are there are some things that they did find, like um, 132 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: anti theft technology. You know that you see the big 133 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: pillars that you see next to the doors your local 134 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: shopping mall that always stopped me from stealing you know, 135 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: handfuls of CDs. Those exactly hate those those in the 136 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: security cameras. Yeah, anyway, that that hand the technology has 137 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: been known to interfere with people's pacemakers and defibrillators. Right. 138 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: And here's here's just a tip just in case you 139 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: are ever in the incredibly unlikely situation that someone collapses 140 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: in between these pillars, The first thing you should do, 141 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: assuming this person hasn't suffered some sort of back injury 142 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: is move them out of the way, because prolonged exposure 143 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: is really what's gonna cause irreparable damage. If you can 144 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: get them away from the signal, sometimes they can actually recover. 145 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: There's no actual permanent damage to the pacemaker or other equipment, 146 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: and the person will be all right within a few minutes. 147 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's one of those few times where if 148 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: someone does fall down it might be important to move them. Yeah, 149 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: and it's uh, it doesn't um, well, I don't know, 150 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: but it is the same kind of thing that you 151 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: see when you see, uh at your convenience store, the 152 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: sign in the microwave that say that says if you 153 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: have a pacemaker, you know, microwave is also a radio frequency, right, 154 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: electromagnetic frequency right. Right. So so this study that you 155 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: were talking about, the Mayo Clinic study back in two 156 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: thousand seven, they used two different kinds of cellular phones 157 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: on on different carriers and they tested out with a 158 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety two different medical devices and found no 159 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: significant interference whatsoever, and that everything seems to be fine. However, 160 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: that very same year, two thousand seven, over at the 161 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: University of Amsterdam, there was a study which came to 162 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: very different conclusions. And in their tests, they tested cell 163 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 1: phones near sixty one medical devices, uh that were not 164 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: hooked up to patients. They thought that might be a 165 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: bit unethical to test it on actual people. Perhaps perhaps, 166 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: And out of the sixty one medical devices, they recorded 167 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: forty eight incidents in twenty six devices. Uh, and they 168 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: said a third of those incidents were hazardous. So it 169 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: caused the machine to fail in such a way that 170 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: it would have been harmful to the patient had that 171 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: been hooked up to someone. So we have here two 172 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: very different studies. Now they're different explanations for what could 173 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: have gone on to get such different results from different studies. Uh. 174 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: The first one I can think of is different equipment. Yeah, 175 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: there's no real I don't have the details on what 176 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: the equipment was that the Mayo Clinic was testing with 177 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: or that the University events are Dam was testing with. 178 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: Also the cell phones, as you were pointing out earlier, 179 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: and I totally escaped my my attention. Cell phones in 180 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: Europe operate on different frequencies and cell phones in the 181 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: United States. Yeah, I mean this could be attributable to 182 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, the equipment and the medical equipment and cell 183 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: phones in the United States versus medical equipment and cell 184 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: phone overseas. So I mean it, it may just happen 185 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: to uh be a convergence of technologies. So, as I 186 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: was pointing out to Chris, the moral of the story is, 187 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: if you have to go to the hospital, go to 188 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: the United States. Don't get sick in Europe. I'm sure 189 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: that's convenient for everyone. I hope so well, what with 190 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: our wonderful healthcare industry here. So it seems like it's 191 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: not it's not likely that it's going to cause a 192 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: serious problem, but it's one of those situations where I 193 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: think a lot of people would say better safe than sorry. Yeah, 194 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: And there are no laws. The FCC doesn't have any 195 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: laws pertaining to using cell phones inside hospitals. They leave 196 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: that up to the individual hospital to decide. So some 197 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: hospitals may have a ban on cell phone use, but 198 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: that's just the policy of that particular hospital. Others may 199 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: not have any policy at all. And you can walk 200 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: up and down the halls talking on your cell phone 201 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: as much as you like until you annoy someone enough 202 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: for them to kick you out. But there's no there's 203 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: no legal reason why you can't use a cell phone 204 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: in a hospital, although you know, if you're talking to 205 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: your doctor about what's wrong with you and you're on 206 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: the phone at the same time, that could be Yeah, 207 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: that's often, like I find that doctor's offices and being 208 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: in line for fast food are two places you don't 209 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: want to be on a cell phone because people just 210 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: think it's so snooty. So well, that's hospitals. Did you 211 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: have anything else add on that before we move on airplanes? Okay, 212 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: so airplanes. Now, if you've ever been on an airplane 213 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: in the United States, at least you have heard the 214 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: spiel that includes all cell phones have to be turned 215 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: off as soon as the the the door is closed. Um. Really, 216 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: they definitely have to be turned off when you are 217 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: taking off. That's that's the policy across every major airline 218 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: in the United States. All right, then, well, how come 219 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: Well it's for a very similar reason. We're talking about 220 00:12:54,400 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: phones potentially interfering with very sensitive flight uh devices, so 221 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: everything from navigation equipment to anything that involves operating the plane. 222 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: The fear is that a cell phone could somehow affect 223 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: these electronics in such a way as to give false 224 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: readings or to cause something to malfunction. And therefore put 225 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: everyone in jeopardy. And it seems not the game show 226 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: just jumping ahead of you there, but everyone in danger. 227 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: How about that? Uh, just so that you can chat 228 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: with your buddy about the game last night. They think 229 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: that's probably a little irresponsible. Yeah, if it interferes with 230 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: landing gear, that would be like a wheel of misfortune. 231 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: So nice, So we don't want to go down this path. 232 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: Trust me. What we'll be doing game show references for 233 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: the rest of the day. And I can. I am 234 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: fully capable of doing that. People are more capable than I. 235 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: So I have a question for sure, go ahead. So 236 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: why don't they put really fancy shielding on airplanes? Well, 237 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: surely somebody is is bound to forget that they have 238 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: their phone turned on. There's a couple of things. First 239 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: of all, the in general the airplanes do have very 240 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: good shielding, not necessarily the equipment from each other, but 241 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: the the cockpit from the passenger section is pretty well shielded. 242 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: And uh, and there have been several tests. Again I've 243 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: seen conflicting reports. Some tests say that really there's virtually 244 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: no way a cell phone would affect um the the 245 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: electronics of an airplane to any measurable degree. Others say, no, 246 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: that's totally wrong. This person turned on his cell phone 247 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: and it caused the compass to fail. Well that's a 248 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: pretty big deal, right, Like, come on, you can look 249 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: out the window. Um, so, well, the sun's over there, 250 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: so we must be going south. Um No, but that 251 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: so they are actually pretty well shielded. And when you 252 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: think about it, they have to be. It's not just 253 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: the fact that your your cell phone could potentially cause 254 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: this plane to malfunction. I mean, if that were as 255 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: sensitive as planes were, we would never get anyone off 256 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,479 Speaker 1: the ground because planes are constantly flying around being bombarded 257 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: by different waves. I mean, radio frequencies are everywhere. You know, 258 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: it's not just on the Uh. You don't turn your 259 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: phone and then magically radio frequency suddenly appear. I mean 260 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: some are being admitted by your phone, but there are 261 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: others that are already in the environment. What's the same 262 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: thing with um turning off your CD player's iPods. Those 263 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: things are emitting interference and that's why they ask you 264 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: to turn those things off until you're in the air 265 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: at a certain altitude and they ask you to turn 266 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: them off again. Another another reason for that, but beyond 267 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: just the interference is simply practical in the sense that 268 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: you don't want a lot of loose things in the 269 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: in the cabin when you're taking off in landing, because 270 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: that's that tends to be the roughest part of any 271 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: flight unless you hit some really serious turbulence, and that 272 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: means you just have loose projectiles bouncing around the cabin 273 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: which could potentially bang into someone's head. And then you've 274 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: got a lawsuit on your hands. And uh so that's 275 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: another reason, you know, I mean, it's it's completely separate 276 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: from the interference angle, although we also still do have 277 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: this interference issue. Uh. But you have to ask yourself 278 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: other questions, like, well, if cell phones are so deadly, 279 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: why are there satellite phones on planes? I mean, you 280 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: can use a satellite phone. Well, it's different radio frequency. 281 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: So you could argue that, well, the cell phone range 282 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: of frequencies maybe closer to the planes equipment. That's not 283 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: really the case, by the way. Uh Another argument you 284 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: might make if you are on the corporate side of things, 285 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: is well, this way we can charge people to use 286 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: the phone and we can monetize that um as opposed 287 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: to if we let people just use their cell phones, 288 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: they might be able to use it whenever there's there 289 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: is one interesting thing I found on the the FCCS 290 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: I specifically about this. Let's see if I can, if 291 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: I can pull up the the specific wording here about 292 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: about cell phones and why you shouldn't use them. Besides 293 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: the fact that it affects, it could potentially affect the 294 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: aircraft's UH systems. Here it goes. The primary concern is 295 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: a cell phone used while airborne would have a much 296 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: greater transmitting range than a land mobile unit. Their use 297 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: could result in unwanted interference to transmissions at other cell 298 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: UH other cell locations, since the system uses the same 299 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: frequency several times within a market or given operating area. 300 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: Since the cell phone is capable of operating on various 301 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: cellular frequencies, unwanted interference may also affect cellular systems in 302 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: adjacent markets or operating areas. So one of the reasons 303 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: they don't want to use cell phones is because it 304 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: can screw up the cell phone network down on the ground. 305 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: You know that's that's a good because I saw some 306 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: people basically saying that the reason you can't use your 307 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: cell phone on a plane is just a web of 308 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories because the carriers don't want you messing with 309 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: the communications at the tower level. The planes basically don't 310 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: want to pay to have their equipment shielded more thoroughly 311 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: because that would be really and I can imagine that 312 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: would be really expensive. You're outfitting an entire fleet, sure, exactly. Um. 313 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: And the government, which I think is really funny, Um, 314 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: the government doesn't want you talking on the phone because 315 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: basically they're afraid that people are gonna talk too loud 316 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: and somebody else is gonna fly off the handle and 317 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: try and beat their head in on a plane. Sultans, 318 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: I can understand that. So that you know, the biggest 319 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: argument I've seen from the average Joe or Jill, if 320 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: you will, UM, seems to be, hey, no, let's leave 321 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: these off, because I really don't want everybody around me 322 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: on the phone. I'm on the plane. It's one of 323 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: the last places that we have that nobody's talking on 324 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: the phone. Yeah, and and for more evidence that the 325 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: cell phone would not bring the plane down for one thing, 326 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that there's always gonna 327 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: be at least one person who purposefully or not leaves 328 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: his or her cell phone on during any given flight 329 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: or just forget or just forgets I have. I have 330 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: forgotten about my cell phone once I thought I had 331 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: turned it off, and then when we landed, I was thinking, 332 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: I'll turn my cell phone on and call it. Pull 333 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: my cell phone out, and it's on, and I'm thinking wow. Oops. 334 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: Because I'm I'm a goody two shoes. I follow the rules. 335 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: I mean, even when the rules are not necessarily maybe 336 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: they don't make sense, I tend to follow them anyway. 337 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm not one of those who questions authority and turns 338 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: my cell phone on and says I'm gonna either crash 339 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: or I'm gonna prove them wrong. And then that's I'd 340 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: rather get to where I'm going and not get hit 341 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: by fine or pepper spray. So because that could happen, 342 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: it has happened. Well, not the pepper spray on a plane, 343 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: but um grand uh fine. Yeah, one guy was hit 344 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: with the twenty grand fine when he refused to get 345 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: off the the phone in midflight. Um he said it 346 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: was a life or death situation. I believe, as I 347 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: recall it was his father had passed away and so 348 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: he or was passing away in the process. Of dying, 349 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: and he had to arrange make final arrangements with the 350 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: hospital and he felt that it could not wait. So 351 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: you know what had happened was he apparently had left 352 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: his phone on, received a phone call, found out it 353 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: was the hospital, and then called the hospital a couple 354 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: more times, and despite the fact that flight attendants told 355 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: him to stop calling, he continued until they essentially restrained 356 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: him and slapped him with a fine. I think, yikes, yeah, 357 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: that's a bad day right there, my friend. But cell phones, 358 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we've got wireless on lots of flights. Now, yeah, 359 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: we've got WiFi. So so again, it's clear that obviously 360 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: these radio frequencies aren't bringing planes down left and right. 361 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: People are finding ways to monetize it, and suddenly it's 362 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,239 Speaker 1: okay to use it. I'm not going to get all 363 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: cynical there. But and the European Union actually is UH 364 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: has some flights that allow you to use cell phones. 365 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: They have different arrangements depending on what plane you're on, 366 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: like what airline you're on. UH. Some have very special 367 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: plans that you have to opt into before you can 368 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: use your cell phone on them, and if you have 369 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: decided even though they're in the European Union have decided 370 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: not to allow cell phones because the customers, as you 371 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: were pointing out, said they don't want it. You don't 372 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: want to sit next to a chatty catty Cathy all 373 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: the way from Berlin to l A. Yeah, call, that 374 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: would be a very long call. Um. I know some 375 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: teenagers who could do it, though, So I wonder now 376 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: the WiFi is allowed on flights. This is another one 377 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: who's extemporaneous. I just thought of it sort of questions. 378 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if Skype would work a lot of airlines 379 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: specifically block Skype. Really, yes, they specifically firewall the heck 380 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: out of Skype because they don't want voice over Internet 381 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: Protocol calls going out. Um. Again, part of it is money. 382 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: You're looking at at a you know, if the plane 383 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: has the satellite phones where they charge you to use them, 384 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, you slide your credit card in and suddenly 385 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: you can make a phone call. Uh. It makes way 386 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: more sense to force you into using that than to 387 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: allow you to use some other method. And also they 388 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: do want to discourage people from just you know, becoming 389 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: even more compartmentalized and thinking that they are the center 390 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: of the universe and chatting as loudly as they need 391 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: to in order to you know. That's the other thing 392 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: is that airplanes are allowed, and humans tend to increase 393 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: the volumes of their voices, uh in loud environments because 394 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: they figured the person on the other end can't hear 395 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: them very well, right, I mean, it's just a natural thing. 396 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: It gets louder you start speaking more loudly. Yeah, of course, nice. 397 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: I think we probably just hit the top level on 398 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: that one, so Liz will be pulling that down later. Sorry, Liz, 399 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: that wasn't the hay there or anything. And uh, but yeah, 400 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you you tend to do that sort of thing, 401 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: and you don't necessarily need to do that. When you're 402 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: on the phone. The microphone picks you up your voice 403 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: pretty well, so you're shouting your head off at someone 404 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: who could hear you if you just talked to a 405 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: normal voice. But because the plane itself is kind of loud, 406 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: you naturally get louder and louder, and then the whole 407 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: environment gets louder and louder, and flighting flying just becomes 408 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: even less of a pleasure. I actually used to really 409 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: enjoy flying, not quite as much now, but I used 410 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: to makes my arms tired. Waca, waca walka. Oh my gosh. 411 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: We should have accepted that challenge with stuff you should know, 412 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: because at least then I feel like we were doing 413 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: this for a reason. Um So, So anyway, that's all 414 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: I have right now for for cell phones and hospitals 415 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: and planes. Again, we're talking about a lot of conflicting information. Yeah, 416 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: some people feel it it hasn't really been tested that thoroughly, 417 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: but the FCC in two thousand seven basically decided to 418 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: close the book on cell phones on planes for right now. 419 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: So it's I don't think it's going to get turned around, 420 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: at least not in the immediate future. Yeah, it's it's 421 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: one of those things where I think, Um, you know, 422 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: the tough thing is it's hard to test this stuff 423 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: without it without testing it in a dangerous, dangerous environment. 424 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: And so people are saying, well, is it really worth 425 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: testing this much or could we just go without for 426 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: the duration of a flight or a visit at a hospital. Uh, 427 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, is your life so really important that you 428 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: are willing to put it at risk and the lives 429 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: of everyone else around you just so that you can 430 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: collect and make a you know, complete a call, and 431 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: most people would say no. I mean, I'm not one 432 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: of them, because obviously my life is important enough for that. 433 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: But most people would be reasonable and say no, al right, 434 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: well that's all I had for that. Yeah, I don't 435 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: have anything else either. Well then that means that we 436 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: are to my favorite segment, a listener mail. Yeah, yeah, 437 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: I thought you'd appreciate that. This listener mail comes from Kathleen. 438 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: Kathleen says, hey, guys, I have two requests, but it 439 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: would be awesome if you guys did either one of them. 440 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: I would love to hear a Google Wave podcast at 441 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: some point, either based on the one point five hour 442 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: long developers demo or later in the year after it 443 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: comes out. Ironically, I found out about Google Wave through 444 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: Marshall Brain's blog, not the Tech Stuff blog, which I 445 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: thought kind of weird. I have since blogged about Google 446 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: Wave just so you know, Kathleen, so you coul should 447 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: go back and check it out. I also think it 448 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: would be cool to compare the new search engines what 449 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: do you even call them? If not search engines that 450 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: are coming out, specifically Wolf from Alpha and Bying, but 451 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: it's not Google with the Google Search Engine or maybe 452 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: even have individual podcasts on each. Now, of course, we 453 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: talked about Wolf from Alpha. We'll probably talk about Bang 454 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: and Google at some point, and I've blogged about this 455 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: as well, so I'm covering all the bass is on 456 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: this one. But here's the reason why I read Kathleen's email. Finally, 457 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: here's my Shakespearean sonnet. Since you guys already got two 458 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: spince arians that I wrote in lieu of studying for 459 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: my English final, I think since she wrote it instead 460 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: of studying, we owe it to her to read this. 461 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: This is to text stuff and all that you do. 462 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: Your fans love you dearly. Also, please note a sonnet 463 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: is harder than a haiku against stuff. 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