Speaker 1: It's the biggest issue right now. We live golfs. Are
Speaker 1: they gonna get what ranking points are? These guys can
Speaker 1: be able to play in the majors and it will
Speaker 1: be hysterical if the MENA Tour becomes important. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been dormant since two thousand and twenty. In the
Speaker 1: last four years it's played one full season in five events,
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Speaker 1: Joined by by two aces, not four aces like on
Speaker 1: Live Golf, we have two aces in Michael Bamberger and
Speaker 1: Ryan Friends. Um, so it was quite an eventful week
Speaker 1: in oflf Jen's I think, well you should start with um,
Speaker 1: Tom Kim, who is just going off. I mean, a
Speaker 1: few months ago, even the most restless Golf channel viewer
Speaker 1: never heard this guy's name. He's won now, He's won
Speaker 1: twice on the PGA Tour. He dusted Patrick Cantley in
Speaker 1: a great shootout in Vegas, and of course he had
Speaker 1: quite a starring role the President's Cup. I was struggling
Speaker 1: to think of the last basic unknown who was burst
Speaker 1: on the scene like this. I mean, you can't say
Speaker 1: Tiger because he had an incredible amateur career. Maybe Sergio,
Speaker 1: but you know he was making cameos in the big time. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean for both, I'll just put out to both
Speaker 1: of you guys, who does it this this uh? Who
Speaker 1: does this kid remind you of? It's just this incredible
Speaker 1: debut on the on the global golf stage. And let's
Speaker 1: just note for any listener who doesn't know what you
Speaker 1: just said when you say kid, he's a kid. He's
Speaker 1: twenty yeah, and so everyone knows, no one since Tiger
Speaker 1: has won twice before before turning twenty one. And that
Speaker 1: is a really good question because everyone no Now I've
Speaker 1: trotted this out a million times, but when Ernie Els
Speaker 1: turned pro at about nineteen and he's catting, he was
Speaker 1: playing in his first tournament in Europe and I happen
Speaker 1: to be catting in his group, and my guy Peter
Speaker 1: Terravan and said, I don't know who the funk this
Speaker 1: kid is, but he can golf his ball and that's
Speaker 1: started that started this. Tom Kim is, how does somebody
Speaker 1: come up and now you look at him, he looks
Speaker 1: like he's thirty four. You know, he's got an old man.
Speaker 1: You know, he's you know, he's not ready for the gym.
Speaker 1: He doesn't look like he cares and he doesn't look
Speaker 1: like he's trying to hit her hard. You know, he's
Speaker 1: just like he's out of nowhere everything about him, and
Speaker 1: he's laid off like a lot of modern guys are.
Speaker 1: That's a great question, Alan. I can't think of anyone
Speaker 1: read all except for maybe you know Ernie way back
Speaker 1: when before the internet, Ryan, you follow all these young
Speaker 1: golfers coming up that did you know about him yourself? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So there's a guy named Jude uh Deloye who's uh
Speaker 1: is a follower and become friends of mine, and he's
Speaker 1: a big he's a gambler, you know, one of these.
Speaker 1: And he was on another guy named skyler Um who
Speaker 1: has been on Tom Kim for a long time. He's won,
Speaker 1: you know, he won over in Asia a couple of times.
Speaker 1: And so um, I'll tell a quick Tom Kim story.
Speaker 1: I posted the video Jake as the producer. You gotta
Speaker 1: put it in right here, right here. Uh. We're at
Speaker 1: the Waste Management Monday Qualifier in two thousand, nineteen or twenty.
Speaker 1: Tom Kim has hit his ball onto a bridge. Okay,
Speaker 1: and like at that time, I think he had won
Speaker 1: two or three times and he was eighteen years old.
Speaker 1: I think this was his first trip to the United States.
Speaker 1: So welcome to the Monday que life. McCormick ranch, where
Speaker 1: the waste Management Monday has played. Is not a good
Speaker 1: golf course. You hit Matt's, you know it's not great. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's just a factory. Uh. So Thomas hit his ball
Speaker 1: onto a bridge and his waiting for a ruling. In
Speaker 1: the meantime, me and Neil are watching the Monday qualifier
Speaker 1: and watching Tim Tom and we see a woman with
Speaker 1: two dogs walking on the golf course and she is
Speaker 1: coming directly for Tom and this bridge and we're like,
Speaker 1: no way this is going to happen. And sure enough
Speaker 1: she comes across the bridge. She's Canadian. She goes and
Speaker 1: Tom Kim is over his ball. This can be the
Speaker 1: social clip. He's over his ball, like guarding it as
Speaker 1: she comes across the bridge, and she goes, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good job. I'll know he'll eat it. He'll
Speaker 1: he'll grab that ball. You better protect it. And she
Speaker 1: and then she walks by and goes, I know this
Speaker 1: is important, but I gotta walk my dogs and leaves
Speaker 1: and I was just like, what just happened. And this
Speaker 1: poor eighteen year old South Korean kid who's just come
Speaker 1: to the United States for the first one. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, the PGA tour must be so great.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for all these dreams. And here he
Speaker 1: is on a bridge and this woman is walking hit
Speaker 1: and dog over the bridge. It was wild. And I
Speaker 1: posted that video tonight just now to say, like, wow,
Speaker 1: one of two two and a half years it's been
Speaker 1: for time kid who's now like a rising star. How
Speaker 1: how old was when he was already playing pro at eighteen? Then? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was seventeen or I think no, I think he
Speaker 1: turned pro and he was fifteen because his his his family,
Speaker 1: they moved to the Philippines at one point because they
Speaker 1: thought it'd be better for golf and better for the
Speaker 1: dad's professional life. And he kind of dominated golf in
Speaker 1: the Philippines. He wasn't getting recruited by American colleges. He
Speaker 1: was fifteen years old, and he knew he wanted to
Speaker 1: be a pro golfer. He said, screw it, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna turn pro. And you know, it's kind of the
Speaker 1: Thai trion or um, you know. So there's there's been
Speaker 1: a few others we've turned pro around that age. You know,
Speaker 1: back in the day that you and wose numbs of
Speaker 1: the world. You know, it wasn't unheard of to turned
Speaker 1: pro in your in your mid teens, but um, somehow
Speaker 1: he made it work. I mean, I think any any
Speaker 1: modern golf observer would have said that that's nuts, that's crazy,
Speaker 1: but he did. He did as Ryan said he I mean,
Speaker 1: he's had success throughout Asia. I guess maybe in the
Speaker 1: beginning we kind of oversold it a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're a serious student of the game, you you've
Speaker 1: heard this kid's name. But the casual fan, it's just
Speaker 1: certainly he's come out of nowhere. And to your point, Michael,
Speaker 1: I mean, in the ear of the Internet, it's almost
Speaker 1: impossible to sneak up on anyone. But it just feels
Speaker 1: like he went from being Oh, this this, there's this
Speaker 1: kid who's playing pretty well in Malaysia, to all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he's one of the biggest stars in the game.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think any tournament in the world would
Speaker 1: kill to have Tom Kim in their field right now
Speaker 1: because of his charisma and the way that people have
Speaker 1: responded to him. So that brings up the question, guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you live, if you're Greg Norman. Right,
Speaker 1: you have to have a target on Tom Kim, right, Like,
Speaker 1: he's twenty years old. He's like everything that you need
Speaker 1: on that tour, right, Like you have a bunch of
Speaker 1: old guys, you have some names, like you need a young, vibrant,
Speaker 1: rising star. Not that they don't have a little bit
Speaker 1: of that camp Smith a little bit older, but they
Speaker 1: don't have like, you know, the kid if I mean,
Speaker 1: they have to be just absolutely hammering that guy with offers. Well, yeah, anecdotally,
Speaker 1: I mean I was I was told already earlier this
Speaker 1: year that he he had an offer that he turned down. Um,
Speaker 1: but of course they can just add another zero to
Speaker 1: it and it becomes a lot more interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: certainly the price tag has gone way up. But you know,
Speaker 1: I wrote this, I think one of my mail bags.
Speaker 1: I mean, the President's Cup is the greatest recruiting tool
Speaker 1: the PGA tour has right now, because um, that experience
Speaker 1: that Tom Kim had being embraced by all these world
Speaker 1: class players, including the Americans. And I think he said
Speaker 1: that Sunday night party was like the first party ever
Speaker 1: went to. You know, he's like a very serious, determined,
Speaker 1: focused kid, like Um, you know, I think that that
Speaker 1: will make a loyalist of him. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: if you follow you know the social media of the
Speaker 1: live players are they're doing their own partyings. But and
Speaker 1: they've they've tried to foster this atmosphere as well, but
Speaker 1: it's a little more organic from I think, what what
Speaker 1: Tom Kim enjoyed it the President's Cup, But um, he
Speaker 1: does seem like you know, I I go back in
Speaker 1: Michael uth side of this Max this Max home line
Speaker 1: a few times you can't buy my dreams, right, And
Speaker 1: I think this kid, this this very winding path he
Speaker 1: took the beginning in the Philippines as an early teenager.
Speaker 1: He was a laser focused on the PGA tour, and
Speaker 1: I think it has a lot of meaning to him.
Speaker 1: You know, it was it was the shining, you know,
Speaker 1: city on a hill kind of thing. And so for
Speaker 1: guys like that, maybe you know, the tour stuff runs deeper.
Speaker 1: But no doubt, I'm sure you're right Ryan that that
Speaker 1: that that another offers forthcoming. I may be very that's
Speaker 1: very well set out. And I think that the biggest
Speaker 1: thing to come out of this President's Cup will probably
Speaker 1: be Tom Kim's affection for anything related to the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour and and I was on the phone with Davis,
Speaker 1: you know, right after that. Davis loved the captain of
Speaker 1: the of the U S t and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: Tom Kim was wandering around, uh the U S team
Speaker 1: room where everyone celebrating, of course, with with adult beverages.
Speaker 1: And he literally at age twenty. It's got hard to imagine,
Speaker 1: but I think Davis is just something straight. He was
Speaker 1: walking around with the water bottle because he was under age,
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't really know. I don't know the
Speaker 1: kid at all, but uh uh, that kind of experience
Speaker 1: will last a lifetime. And we all know what it's
Speaker 1: like to be twenty. The things that happened to when
Speaker 1: you're twenty stay with you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: And uh now, of course, you know Live has had
Speaker 1: a lot of success recruiting people that I would have
Speaker 1: guessed would have been unrecruitable. I would have put pat
Speaker 1: Reid Patrick Read in that category. I would have been
Speaker 1: completely wrong about that. But just looking at his comments
Speaker 1: after the the the the the tournament today, you know,
Speaker 1: he's citing the PGA Tour by name, and he's too
Speaker 1: young and naive to be like playing one, I would think.
Speaker 1: I think he's really proud to be winning on the
Speaker 1: PGA too. Were beating Patrick Cantley and you know other
Speaker 1: Jason Day and other name brand players down the stretch
Speaker 1: and it's it's neat. Yeah, I mean, it's obviously just
Speaker 1: I mean, of what perfect timing for the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Fall Series is obviously, even in a
Speaker 1: normal year, it's pretty boring for most fans, uh And
Speaker 1: obviously this year just the PGA Tour needs as much
Speaker 1: good stuff happening as as it can. So um, you know,
Speaker 1: the President's Cup in general, it is pretty boring, but
Speaker 1: if it produces stars like this every once in a while,
Speaker 1: then it's worth it. And the fact that he's came
Speaker 1: and capitalized after that, it's just a huge, a huge
Speaker 1: win for the PGA Tour, assuming that he stays. And
Speaker 1: I agree with all that you guys have said that
Speaker 1: it seems you know what he said. Obviously. The other
Speaker 1: side of being twenty years old is you put a
Speaker 1: big enough blank check in front of you, you can
Speaker 1: just kind of forget about all the dreams and think
Speaker 1: about all the cars you can buy. You know, just
Speaker 1: a up right on that point real quick, and I know,
Speaker 1: and you've got something. I'll make this real quick. The
Speaker 1: uh but Nicholas said this right right from the start. Uh,
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour will lose players and it will develop
Speaker 1: new stars, and the Live Tour will develop its own stars.
Speaker 1: And you know, here's a man who his early eighties
Speaker 1: saying that. But it sounds so obvious. But it's until
Speaker 1: someone says it. It's not obvious. But it's true. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the way of the world, and especially the way
Speaker 1: of the PGA Tour. But the PGA Tour has something
Speaker 1: that live golf doesn't have, which is a system to
Speaker 1: earn your keep. You're not invited, you have to earn
Speaker 1: your way there. And uh so for me, that would
Speaker 1: that would always be uh something extra special. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to cut you off. I saw you were
Speaker 1: right about to say something. Oh no, I was just
Speaker 1: I feel like, in a in a weird way, live
Speaker 1: golf is elevated the Fall series on the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: because these scrappy tournaments with not really brand name players. Um,
Speaker 1: the palpable hunger and the chance that change the whole
Speaker 1: trajectory of your career. Welcome to my world, everybody, This
Speaker 1: is what I've been preaching for five years now, I know, well,
Speaker 1: but it's it's hard. You couldn't feel that during the
Speaker 1: FedEx Cup when you know Rory of all people are
Speaker 1: gonna win another eighteen million dollars, Who cares? That's that
Speaker 1: feels like live golf. That's the rich getting richer. But
Speaker 1: now you come to come to Vegas and and all
Speaker 1: these other events that are are lacking depth and stars
Speaker 1: for the most part, and there's a chance for a
Speaker 1: young guy to become go to a whole different level.
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen it throughout this fall series with
Speaker 1: with with players like really there's there's a desire there
Speaker 1: that you can feel. It's been neat right because when
Speaker 1: you talk about you know, and we're going to get
Speaker 1: to it, I know. But just to jump the gun
Speaker 1: here for for a quick second, when you talk about
Speaker 1: Kara might pronounce anthing correctly. Yeah, when Chakar wins that event.
Speaker 1: Of course, he's a super talented player and he'd beat
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of good players to win this thing.
Speaker 1: But if it weren't Chick, but Norman decided or the
Speaker 1: committee whomever decided, oh we want this kid and not
Speaker 1: this kid. It's just a little bit more not a
Speaker 1: little bit, it's a lot more random and not really
Speaker 1: what tournament golf has always been. That doesn't mean it
Speaker 1: always will be. Which is survival if it is to
Speaker 1: get there, it's an invitation, you know, as Norman says,
Speaker 1: we're a closed shot by invitation only. That's just very different. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, here you got to your car is probably
Speaker 1: right about the same age. I don't know his exact age,
Speaker 1: but think i'd be their total contemporaries. Okay, but they're
Speaker 1: total contemporaries. Uh, which of these two guys is better?
Speaker 1: We don't really know, but you kind of guess Tom
Speaker 1: Kim because he's proven against has proven himself against a deeper,
Speaker 1: bigger field. Yeah, of course we're talking about Eugenio Lopez Jakara,
Speaker 1: who won the live events in Bangkok Um recently of
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. And he wasn't important signing for live because
Speaker 1: as you were saying before, Ryan, I mean, a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that went over there have significan amount of
Speaker 1: uh wear and tear. There's not much tread left on
Speaker 1: some of those tires. But this this is a young
Speaker 1: ascendant player obviously, um not not of us origin, which
Speaker 1: makes it probably more attractive from a loose standpoint. And um,
Speaker 1: you know for him to throw in we Live instead
Speaker 1: of what could have been a very long and healthy
Speaker 1: career on the PGA Tour, and that those are the
Speaker 1: kind of signings that were important for Live. And but
Speaker 1: this kid did to breakthrough and win was a big deal.
Speaker 1: And of course his his team also, UM had a
Speaker 1: terrific showing. They won that, so you know, he in
Speaker 1: he took home four point seven five million dollars today,
Speaker 1: which more than Tom Kim's two victories combined easily on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. So it is interesting because I was
Speaker 1: talking to a college coach recently and I you know,
Speaker 1: it was actually was someone whom coach Taylor Gooch, and
Speaker 1: of course Taylor Gooch went to Oklahoma State. And I said,
Speaker 1: how much of the college kids talking about Live And
Speaker 1: he said a lot. It's you know, they recognize it
Speaker 1: as you're saying, Michael, it's invitation only. But how they
Speaker 1: play in college and these amateur events of the summer,
Speaker 1: that's how they get invited, and that becomes an avenue
Speaker 1: to win five million dollars in one day in Bangkok, Thailand.
Speaker 1: So um, you know, it's it's interesting there. It's invitation only,
Speaker 1: but you have to earn that invitation with good play
Speaker 1: and having some other things that make you marketable. So um,
Speaker 1: I thought that was that was an interesting comment. But
Speaker 1: it's like getting into Cyprus Point Club, you know, for
Speaker 1: you Northern California is like, we want this guy, and
Speaker 1: we're not going to take this guy. But then other
Speaker 1: guys a quality guy too, but he just didn't get
Speaker 1: invited for whatever reason. So yeah, this this kid got in,
Speaker 1: but some other kid didn't. And if this kid had
Speaker 1: said no, even some other kid. But I think this
Speaker 1: is very important for live this win from the standpoint
Speaker 1: of I think it makes other people, other young guys
Speaker 1: look and makes like makes that trip more real, Like
Speaker 1: going over there and seeing them in that really doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. But to see a guy that they've played with,
Speaker 1: that they've you know, just we're in college tournaments with,
Speaker 1: you know, win five million dollars and win an event
Speaker 1: and have his name you know, all over the internet
Speaker 1: on this podcast, on podcasts all over. I think it's
Speaker 1: important from the recruiting standpoint of when you do go
Speaker 1: to that time amateur you can go, hey, this guy
Speaker 1: just want five million dollars. Look at what's happened to
Speaker 1: his life. He's changed his life in Ryan, I don't
Speaker 1: know Ryan if I agree with that, because if there's
Speaker 1: no path to the Master's Golf Tournament and the U
Speaker 1: S Open, British Open, the PGA Championship, it's that's that's
Speaker 1: a that's a serious for that kid from college. For
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson, Patrick Greed, they've got a path because you
Speaker 1: know of what they've done for a while. They do anyway,
Speaker 1: and of course, in Patrick Greed and Dustin Johnson's case,
Speaker 1: they'll play the Masters forever. But for the kid out
Speaker 1: of college, are making a really really big calculation about
Speaker 1: Max Holmas. You know, you can't buy my dream because
Speaker 1: he may never play in the Masters. But but Michael,
Speaker 1: I mean that the pitch that they're giving him is
Speaker 1: that they will have o w g R points and
Speaker 1: that if he plays well enough. You know that we're
Speaker 1: talking about a hypothetical top amateur obviously, that they get
Speaker 1: o w g R points and he comes over and
Speaker 1: plays well, he will be at the Masters, assuming the
Speaker 1: Masters doesn't turn their back on lived players. I go
Speaker 1: back to a conversation I had at a bar in
Speaker 1: at the U S Open with someone who knows James
Speaker 1: Piatt very well, right, and James finished six his best
Speaker 1: finished ghost parties. Uh. But you know, he said, Ryan,
Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen in your golf career. Obviously,
Speaker 1: James is a little bit of exception. He struggled, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a senior year after winning the US Amateur,
Speaker 1: and he got seven figures to go over there, like
Speaker 1: he set for life, he hopes. I would assume that
Speaker 1: maybe he's able to come back and play the b
Speaker 1: J Tour, but he also can go be a club
Speaker 1: pro and work twenty hours a week and live in
Speaker 1: his nice house because he just got a bunch of millions.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting. Also, the one thing that's that
Speaker 1: hasn't been talked about enough, the path to the majors
Speaker 1: like US Open and British Open Open qualifying are going
Speaker 1: to be lit. I mean, look, you could have some
Speaker 1: big names rolling up for these these qualifiers. I mean,
Speaker 1: if that's if that's what it comes down to. But
Speaker 1: this is the perfect segue to Ryan's story about the
Speaker 1: Mina Tour. Um. I would implore everyone to check out
Speaker 1: fire pick Collective dot com. Um as as everyone knows
Speaker 1: Live Golf, I give them credit, like there's such like
Speaker 1: they're they're so shady and there's such pot stirs like
Speaker 1: instead of just patiently waiting for the World Ranking m
Speaker 1: and meeting all its criteria and maybe possibly tweaking their
Speaker 1: format so they could they could check the various x
Speaker 1: is that that have been laid out for every other
Speaker 1: tour in the world. They're always looking for a back door.
Speaker 1: They're always looking to like cut a corner, and so
Speaker 1: they lashed onto the Mina Tour, which has been dormant
Speaker 1: for years. That um and they have seventy five persons
Speaker 1: and they think this might be their avenue to the world.
Speaker 1: I mean the hubris and as as Bambers, taking the
Speaker 1: hutzpah is unbelievable. Whether it works or not, I mean,
Speaker 1: I love it. It's ridiculous and it's funny and maybe
Speaker 1: it's clever. But um so, all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: golf will discover the menu tour, which no one really
Speaker 1: has been paying attention to. You, um, but our our
Speaker 1: dogged detective here, Ryan french Uh has learned a bit
Speaker 1: about the Mena Tour. Ryan and tell the listeners what
Speaker 1: what you know that very few people do. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the opening paragraph that I just changed my story
Speaker 1: is like it's a kind of a tale of old
Speaker 1: as old as time and many tour golf that happened
Speaker 1: way before the Internet. That many tours would come and
Speaker 1: go and not play players and disappear, and owners would
Speaker 1: disappear with money or bounce checked his checks would bounce
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I get so many d m s
Speaker 1: about tours either being delayed and pay or not paying
Speaker 1: that I had totally forgot that. At the beginning of COVID,
Speaker 1: I had got multiple d ms at the Mina Tour
Speaker 1: h had not paid players. So a d M about
Speaker 1: from a follower that kind of reminded me, said, didn't
Speaker 1: it the Mina Tour not pay? So I went back
Speaker 1: and did a lot of research, and I mean, the
Speaker 1: story is is pretty wild. I mean, there's players that
Speaker 1: still haven't been paid. They've been given some sort of
Speaker 1: credit voucher that is worthless basically, and uh, it took
Speaker 1: fifteen months to play to pay players. There was multiple
Speaker 1: emails with what most people would describe as lies or
Speaker 1: stretches of the truth, with yet another excuse and all
Speaker 1: of this is in the failed Many Tour handbook that
Speaker 1: someone has has put out, because this happens every time.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, we're gonna I mean, it happened in
Speaker 1: the Big Money Classic. We're gonna pay players. We're suing
Speaker 1: state kings, this happened. That happened, this is why we
Speaker 1: can't pay you. And the Minutae Tour, the Menta Tour
Speaker 1: is the same exact. So, I mean, all the guys
Speaker 1: that I've talked to, you know, took thirteen to fifteen
Speaker 1: months to get paid. And this was for five events.
Speaker 1: They put on five events prior to COVID, and no
Speaker 1: one got paid a dime until they finally got paid
Speaker 1: for the first two events. But then the three events.
Speaker 1: I'm disappared. I mean it got to the point one
Speaker 1: player said it perfectly is like there's so many excuses.
Speaker 1: I stopped opening emails and I just deleted them. I
Speaker 1: assumed I would never get paid. I mean, we talked
Speaker 1: about this offline. It's just unbelievable how often this happens
Speaker 1: in Many to our golf and the someday Ryan French
Speaker 1: is gonna write ten thousand words about who these people
Speaker 1: are who decide that starting a mini tour is a
Speaker 1: good way to make a living. I mean, it's it
Speaker 1: seems like any crow bonn of work to make a
Speaker 1: very small amount of money and then you get then
Speaker 1: things go sideways and you left hold in the bag.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's to see. Sometimes it's incompetence. But it's just
Speaker 1: like it's a crazy part of the golf world. But
Speaker 1: the interesting question in this and as Ryan points out
Speaker 1: in a story, he reached out to the commissioner of
Speaker 1: the Mena tour who's a buddy of Greg Norman's, and
Speaker 1: the guy didn't get back to us, so we don't
Speaker 1: He didn't answer the tough questions like did you know
Speaker 1: about um? You know? Does does Live Golf know about
Speaker 1: this checkered history like to Live Golf do its due diligence?
Speaker 1: Did they know what's in your d m s? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they lashed onto this crazy idea and they
Speaker 1: probably don't. They may not even be aware of this
Speaker 1: until they read your story. And again it's just again,
Speaker 1: you know, lives attitude is let's just move fast and
Speaker 1: break things, and it's gotten them this far. They you know,
Speaker 1: but there's some untidiness involved, and this is just yet
Speaker 1: another example. Ryan. I'm really glad you did the reporting
Speaker 1: you did. I think it's I think it's great. But
Speaker 1: I think where we're gonna find here is that all
Speaker 1: Greg Norman and the libsters who are looking for it's
Speaker 1: obvious to all of us. I'm sure is some existing
Speaker 1: paperwork that they could latch onto and uh so whatever
Speaker 1: problems there are, you know, if they have to write
Speaker 1: a check for a couple of million dollars to make
Speaker 1: things straight with a bunch of pistolf people, they'll they'll
Speaker 1: do exactly that. They'll do whatever they I mean, look
Speaker 1: how they've elevated the Asian Tour in no time. Look,
Speaker 1: as Alan pointed out, just on a trickle down effect.
Speaker 1: Look how much they're already going to elevate US Open
Speaker 1: British Open qualifiers come this summer, which used to be
Speaker 1: a thing that was really fun to pay attention to
Speaker 1: and it and that's sort of diminished over time. Um so, yes,
Speaker 1: it has it sounds like I'm sure Ryan has it.
Speaker 1: You know, dead to rights. They've got a lousy history.
Speaker 1: Uh they've got a really bad acronym. I I mean,
Speaker 1: if you can't come up with something better than Mina.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it would be, but Mina just
Speaker 1: does not trip off the tongue. And of course you
Speaker 1: flip the Ruther sign and at the mean tour. But
Speaker 1: in any event, Uh, they'll make it straight and they'll
Speaker 1: do with that Meaning Tour what they've already done with
Speaker 1: the Asian Tour, and they will you. I think they'll
Speaker 1: be effective with this Alan. Uh. I know why you're mocking,
Speaker 1: and I understand that, but I think they'll say, you know,
Speaker 1: we are them and they are us, and if they've
Speaker 1: got points, then we get points. Uh. How you're gonna
Speaker 1: actually allocate points for you know? Uh? No cut four
Speaker 1: holes short field? I don't know. Uh, you know that's
Speaker 1: really that's always going to remain remain The actual facts
Speaker 1: are the actual effects. Uh. Is that it's very hard
Speaker 1: to compare even the kid who went today super talent.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I know he is, you know, with with
Speaker 1: a with a pedigree, um, but we don't know what
Speaker 1: he would have done in the seventy seconds in the
Speaker 1: holes in the in the fourth round. Uh. Everybody who's
Speaker 1: ever won on tour in fifty four holes, it's always
Speaker 1: like yeah, L maybe and I think I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I have this correct. I think it used to be
Speaker 1: that if you want to reign shorten event they didn't
Speaker 1: give you the invites to the Masters. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's changed over the years, and it very seldom happens,
Speaker 1: but it would be kind of interesting to know that.
Speaker 1: But I think it was a clever you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks tacking and is tacking, and it's a you know,
Speaker 1: it looks like a disreputable organization or poorly run one
Speaker 1: at best. But I think it's gonna work. I think
Speaker 1: I think they're going to get what they want out
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I mean, I think from the live perspective,
Speaker 1: it's very much like I mean, I put out a
Speaker 1: tweet this like it feels kind of like both are
Speaker 1: both the PJ Tour and the Lift Tour. Obviously more
Speaker 1: on the Lift Tours, like they're kind of flying like
Speaker 1: by the seat of their pants this Mina Tour. I
Speaker 1: am with you, Alan, I am almost positive they know
Speaker 1: nothing about what is going to come out in the story.
Speaker 1: They were just like to plan whether it was two
Speaker 1: weeks or twenty four hours or whatever, like, hey, we'll
Speaker 1: sign on this Mena Tours you know, hasn't hasn't played
Speaker 1: in two years, will say, where the MINA tour and
Speaker 1: we'll get World ranking points. Let's do it. And if
Speaker 1: they really thought that, or they just wanted to put
Speaker 1: more pr you know, pressure on the O w g
Speaker 1: R to to give them points, I don't know, um,
Speaker 1: but it just seems like they're flying by the seat
Speaker 1: of their pants. I'm almost positive they know nothing about this.
Speaker 1: And and I think to Michael's point, obviously, I hope
Speaker 1: that and the players that are that spoke to me
Speaker 1: are hoping that that's what happens. Is they they get
Speaker 1: some of the you know, they pay off these players,
Speaker 1: and it looks good on them, right, It's like good
Speaker 1: pr that, oh we didn't know about this, we'll happily
Speaker 1: take care of it. You know, it's like forty dollars
Speaker 1: or whatever. So that's you know, pocket change for for them.
Speaker 1: And and I mean, that's what I hope happens. But
Speaker 1: it just seems like all of it is kind of
Speaker 1: like I mean, I think it could go like that, Michael,
Speaker 1: or they could go, oh, I'm sorry, we didn't know that,
Speaker 1: let's hook onto the I mean, the Indian Pro Tour
Speaker 1: has world ranking points. Okay, so of uh and it's
Speaker 1: short fields all the time, all right, So they're just
Speaker 1: gonna go over to the Indian Pro Tour and latch
Speaker 1: onto them. I mean, what's amazing about the menatour schedule
Speaker 1: is they've got ten events that are seventy person They
Speaker 1: have ten events or twenty million dollar perst. Like the
Speaker 1: history of Western civilization, has there ever been a bigger
Speaker 1: gulf between the halves and the have nots. This is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: My favorite part of the of the release is, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can read in this story, but the fact is
Speaker 1: they sent out members. They send on an email to
Speaker 1: members to send more money. These are people that have
Speaker 1: been ripped off by this this tour to send more
Speaker 1: money to become a member again because they need members
Speaker 1: to be ow g R. And it says in the email,
Speaker 1: we can skip Q school this year because we were
Speaker 1: shut down for COVID blah blah blah. To send more money,
Speaker 1: but your category and the schedule won't be released until
Speaker 1: after you send your more money that we already And
Speaker 1: then they released the schedule, and if you look at
Speaker 1: it from a MINA players perspective, they promised in the
Speaker 1: email there would be twenty four events. There's only twenty,
Speaker 1: but twelve of them are mina are lived tour events
Speaker 1: that these players will obviously never get into. I think
Speaker 1: ten of them are actual events. The seventy dollars that
Speaker 1: you speak of, uh Allen, and only one of them
Speaker 1: has a venue, so they don't have a schedule. They
Speaker 1: have an idea. They have like countries listed with dates,
Speaker 1: no venues, no nothing. They're just like, yeah, that looks great,
Speaker 1: let's just send that out and will look like a
Speaker 1: very reputable I mean, all of it is to to
Speaker 1: t b A. It's like it it is just MANI
Speaker 1: tour perfection. I mean it is the hand of like
Speaker 1: how do we run a shady mini tour? Is a
Speaker 1: bunch of promises, not pay players and big you know,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna have a twenty four events schedule, just
Speaker 1: we don't have golf courses yet. Besides that, we are
Speaker 1: ready to roll. And yet the media tour could hold
Speaker 1: the key to the future of professional golf because as
Speaker 1: Michael was seeing earlier, I mean it's the biggest issue
Speaker 1: right now with live golfs. Are they gonna get what
Speaker 1: ranking points are these guys can be able to play
Speaker 1: in the majors and it will be hysterical if the
Speaker 1: MENA Tour becomes important. I mean, it's been dormant since
Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty. I mean it's just two thousand
Speaker 1: and eighteen. I mean again part of the checker passes.
Speaker 1: It's in the last four years, it's played one and
Speaker 1: of one full season and five events, and it is
Speaker 1: somehow a key cog in the wheel of one of
Speaker 1: the biggest golf stories in our lifetime. It is wild wild.
Speaker 1: Are there any new developments in jurisprudence as it relates
Speaker 1: to uh, well, the various lawsuits that are in the
Speaker 1: works and and the liking points and all the rest.
Speaker 1: Really nothing in the latter half of this week. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think most people by now know that Phil dropped
Speaker 1: off the lawsuit with some other players, and um, that
Speaker 1: becomes an interesting act of Phil came back on Twitter. Two.
Speaker 1: What's that? Phil came back on Twitter too? That was
Speaker 1: the development this week. Yeah. No, Phil is slowly emerging,
Speaker 1: like liv is starting to use him a little bit
Speaker 1: more and their promotional stuff and in their social media,
Speaker 1: and he's talking a little bit more after his rounds
Speaker 1: and you know, he just went underground, but he's still
Speaker 1: an important asset for Live. I mean, he's kind of
Speaker 1: the guy in a lot of ways. He's he's the
Speaker 1: face of the tour even more than Camp Smith or
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson, and um, you know, but you can you
Speaker 1: can talk those two other guys can't well exactly. And
Speaker 1: I mean if you remember what a sensation Phil was
Speaker 1: on social media for a while, like he's incredibly funny
Speaker 1: and he's got a sharp needle and he could be
Speaker 1: a great asset. And I think he's like kind of
Speaker 1: slowly starting to find his footing and he's playing a
Speaker 1: little better, you know. He Um, he just looks so
Speaker 1: woe be gone this summer as he was kind of
Speaker 1: adapting to these changes in his life and his his
Speaker 1: his professional image. But he's starting to shoot better scores.
Speaker 1: And again it's it's live golfing on how much stock
Speaker 1: to put in in you know, a type for fifteenth
Speaker 1: or whatever, but it's clearly it's better shot sixty six
Speaker 1: and seventy four. We all know that. So um, you
Speaker 1: know it feels feeling a little frisky or that can
Speaker 1: only help live golf, and it's just it becomes more
Speaker 1: interesting heading into next season. But there's been so much,
Speaker 1: Like we all know, the phrase grow, grow the game
Speaker 1: has become such a pejorative and such an i roll.
Speaker 1: But how is this week for professional golf? You know
Speaker 1: PJ Tours in Japan and lives in Saudi Arabia. I
Speaker 1: mean talking about growing the game, it's sort of happening unwittingly,
Speaker 1: like um, pretty far flung events. You can be some
Speaker 1: some strange nocturnal habits if you want to watch any
Speaker 1: of this stuff live. But you know, I think it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see what Live does this week. If
Speaker 1: they have any more announcements up their sleeve. You know,
Speaker 1: they'd like to drop something the week they're in aut
Speaker 1: Arabia and um, you know, I thought they might try
Speaker 1: and announce their women's schedule. That would be quite a
Speaker 1: coup um. But talking to folks that live, they're not
Speaker 1: ready for that. I mean one of their staffers or
Speaker 1: one of their senior staffers said, we'd have to double
Speaker 1: a number of people. And you know, we're we're still
Speaker 1: building the plane as we're trying to fly like they's
Speaker 1: just they're not ready for that. That's probably a year away.
Speaker 1: But um, whether they can, they can announce another signing
Speaker 1: or whatever that may be finalizer schedule. You know, the
Speaker 1: next year schedule has been leaked tentatively, but we don't
Speaker 1: have some venues and we don't have some some of
Speaker 1: that stuff. So it'll be interesting. And how much are
Speaker 1: they gonna try and win hearts and minds? You know,
Speaker 1: take Patrick Read to an elementary school classroom again and
Speaker 1: whatever whatever goofiness like you know, when the European Tour
Speaker 1: goes over to one of these countries, they always do
Speaker 1: some funds any things, like what is the vibe going
Speaker 1: to be um at this tournament? I think we're all
Speaker 1: waiting to see the lift. The lift uh social media
Speaker 1: team is like going a little more out, but they
Speaker 1: aren't getting players, big name players to join in. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw the video of taking
Speaker 1: players to go eat crazy uh Thailand street food and
Speaker 1: the two players they took were James Piatt and like
Speaker 1: you know, someone else and they're like, I mean they
Speaker 1: must have been down the line before they finally got
Speaker 1: to James, and he's like, yeah, I guess, oh man,
Speaker 1: I got I mean, they didn't ask James, they just
Speaker 1: got to James. And we're like, hey, James, guess what
Speaker 1: you're in this bit that you gotta go eat four
Speaker 1: year olds. You're probably gonna, you know, gonna miss tomorrow's
Speaker 1: round with food poisoning. But you know your spot on
Speaker 1: this tourist precarious at best, so best get out there.
Speaker 1: Along those same lines. I don't know what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do to start selling interest or starting gate what to
Speaker 1: whatever degree, there is a public following for Live at
Speaker 1: this point. I'm not saying it can't grow, because it
Speaker 1: certainly can. But that team concept, you know, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the internet right here. Uh, the Crushers finished at
Speaker 1: thirty eight under uh to lose by seven to the
Speaker 1: fire Malls in the team in the team competition. The
Speaker 1: new names so bad. Oh man, there's a zero point
Speaker 1: zero chance that anybody anywhere in the world other than
Speaker 1: the three of us is talking about the results. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Fireballs, the Crushers, the Clicks and the iron Heads. Oh,
Speaker 1: the Majestics finished seven finished, That's true. But you know,
Speaker 1: of course I'm in too deep on all this stuff.
Speaker 1: But like the team that won UM this week, I
Speaker 1: mean it's like it's they're basically the hot blooded Latin players, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's how they're gonna have to sell them, and they
Speaker 1: are going to rebrand, rename all that's up for grabs
Speaker 1: next year. You know, this was abit a year they
Speaker 1: were adding players as they went and the whole team
Speaker 1: thing will be much more baked out next year. And
Speaker 1: because I think they're cleverly grouping them by by country
Speaker 1: or by region, I do think that creates more interest.
Speaker 1: Like if if I'm if I'm a fan in in
Speaker 1: Latin America, UM, and I see all the players on
Speaker 1: one team kind of look like me, and they're speaking
Speaker 1: Spanish to each other and they're waving their national flags,
Speaker 1: Like I do think that has a chance. And if
Speaker 1: they get the richest guy in UM, you know, Peru
Speaker 1: to buy the team and promote it and it's it's
Speaker 1: on some regional cable network throughout Latin America, Like there
Speaker 1: is a possibility that this this could work, just like
Speaker 1: you'll have an Australian team, you'll have a South African team,
Speaker 1: you'll have an all English team, You'll have you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Like I think that if they rebrand and they get
Speaker 1: away from these hokeey names and it's a little more
Speaker 1: organic to the identity of the players and the teams.
Speaker 1: They could have some fun with it. So Alan, you
Speaker 1: your point is well taken, Michael, right now, it's it's
Speaker 1: a nonstarter with respect. College college football in the United
Speaker 1: States is one of the most popular sporting entertainments in
Speaker 1: the world. As Ryan will tell us, and he knows
Speaker 1: better than you or Ryan, nobody watches college golf. So
Speaker 1: if they can't make college golf work, how are they
Speaker 1: going to make the fireballs in the aces in the
Speaker 1: Majestics watchable? Yeah? I not watchable, but care that you
Speaker 1: care about it. I mean, if you had a South
Speaker 1: African team and you call them the Springboks, you know,
Speaker 1: which is like one of their their big um is
Speaker 1: it rugby or is it I think it's rugby? Whatever?
Speaker 1: You know these sports, you get an Indian a team
Speaker 1: of all Indian players, and you you've somehow grafted onto
Speaker 1: the cricket fan base by by aligning it with a
Speaker 1: big team, like you know, I'm just I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: out loud here, Like underneath this podcast, someone is saying
Speaker 1: that Alan is paid by Live right, I mean, like
Speaker 1: that one of them. I'm not saying it's gonna work
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's the vision. I'm not saying you're
Speaker 1: saying that. I'm just saying, yeah, well, I mean I
Speaker 1: get it. I get it both ways. I'm a studge
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, that's what. That's the tour. Yeah, tomorrow
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get like, well, the PGA Tour must have
Speaker 1: put you know, put you up to this. I mean,
Speaker 1: if someone did the math on the on all the
Speaker 1: bitchiness we get on Twitter, we'd be zillionaires. Ryan, because
Speaker 1: everyone's paying us to do every story. I'm only getting
Speaker 1: one check for the fire pit that sucked me. I
Speaker 1: should the PGA Tour by timpionship j Monahan, Greg Norman Like,
Speaker 1: I'm where's the money, show me the money back to
Speaker 1: the team thing. I'm with you, Alan, I honestly think
Speaker 1: it could be a thing. The fact that everyone switched
Speaker 1: teams and they have stupid names and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff is really kind of ruined it. And I
Speaker 1: called and here's the deal. Is the championship, the year
Speaker 1: end Championship is fifty million and it's all team related.
Speaker 1: So it's like they're going to force it down our
Speaker 1: throats kind of in a way of like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is important. This is what it does. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. I'm just saying it's coming. And the
Speaker 1: biggest thing that I've agreed with that that Live has
Speaker 1: changed is shotgun starts are good. I like them. I'm
Speaker 1: all in a shotgun starts. Obviously, it can't work because
Speaker 1: the fields are too big. In the PJ Tour, I
Speaker 1: love a two or three, you know, a four hour
Speaker 1: everybody's on the course at the same time. It's really good.
Speaker 1: Do you think, Ryan, do you think these massive pay
Speaker 1: days for team events that you think that becomes more
Speaker 1: appealing to the public at large, Because I think if
Speaker 1: I think the opposite for sure, and I think the
Speaker 1: FedEx quote playoffs end quote is almost proof of that. It.
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree, I'm not even talking about I
Speaker 1: agree Michael totally on the money. I mean that obviously,
Speaker 1: as you know, like funny money and no cut events
Speaker 1: just zero interest to me to start. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying they're forcing the team to it, so they're going
Speaker 1: to really push for that too, you know, be a
Speaker 1: huge part of who they are. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: is so it's either going to work or it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're having it in the background, is
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Is they're making it a prominent part
Speaker 1: of who they are well, and it's a it's an
Speaker 1: important part of their business model because everyone's like, these
Speaker 1: guys are not trying to make money, they're just pooring,
Speaker 1: they're just pissing it away. I mean, they do want
Speaker 1: to make money. They at least want to break even,
Speaker 1: like you don't. You don't have the biggest fund in
Speaker 1: the world by making bad business decisions. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the vision is they can sell these franchises for tens
Speaker 1: and tens of millions, maybe a hundred million. You know,
Speaker 1: some of the numbers sound fantastical, but when you think
Speaker 1: about it, there's a very limited number of English Premier
Speaker 1: League football tea teams are available, or NFL teams or
Speaker 1: NBA teams, and there's a lot of really rich dudes
Speaker 1: who want to own something in the in the sports space.
Speaker 1: Probably most of them play golf, and so they may
Speaker 1: have more interest in buying these franchises. And we could
Speaker 1: imagine because we're not board rich guys and so, and
Speaker 1: especially as you talk alan in other countries, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean the guy in Spain who knows Sergio, and
Speaker 1: you know, wants to hang out with Sergio. And there's
Speaker 1: a billionaire, it's like, yeah, sure, I'll buy this team
Speaker 1: for a hundred and fifty million or whatever that's going
Speaker 1: to be. You know, you buy Dustin's team, you could
Speaker 1: hang out on the the yacht with him and Paulina. It
Speaker 1: looks it looks fun right like. Um, so anyway, we
Speaker 1: don't have to go totally down the live rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: But it's um. I just think that this week when
Speaker 1: they're in in Saudi Arabia is going to be fascinating
Speaker 1: on any number of levels. And um, but um, anything
Speaker 1: else we need to talk about before we end this
Speaker 1: Fire Drill podcasts. I think Jim Furick won the senior event. No,
Speaker 1: he didn't. It was his event, Dude, wasn't that he
Speaker 1: didn't win it? I don't know, but I don't think
Speaker 1: Jim did because it's his event. Hope. Please Steve Stricker
Speaker 1: won the Furk the Constellation furc in friends. No, I
Speaker 1: would like to see Steve Stricker and Tom Kim compare
Speaker 1: swing notes because it's Tom Kim. He's just got a
Speaker 1: short backswing without much of them. If it doesn't look
Speaker 1: like he's trying to kill it at all. Has any
Speaker 1: has anybody thank you for that update, Bryan. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Has anybody heard Tom Kim talked about what he's trying
Speaker 1: to achieve with that golf swing or why he swings
Speaker 1: the way he swings. It's beautiful, it's different. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not wrong, it's so just Oh John wrong by
Speaker 1: the way, shot sixty two twin in Spain, which I
Speaker 1: think is so cool because and then congratulated the guy
Speaker 1: from Live for winning very controversial. Yeah yeah, um well,
Speaker 1: and John Robinson out there saying he wants he wants
Speaker 1: to Live guys on on the Ryder Cup team. Um,
Speaker 1: you know there's all these little subtle exactly well, Rory
Speaker 1: said the opposite. You know, Roy's flat out said I
Speaker 1: don't want these guys are I'm paraphrasing, they are a cancer.
Speaker 1: We don't want him in our team room. I think
Speaker 1: Rom's more more pragmatic, like we're seriously outgunned. We need
Speaker 1: some depth and let's bring some of those boys over.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I think about John ram he's
Speaker 1: probably the best golfer on planet Earth, but he just
Speaker 1: doesn't win enough, Like shoot sixty two to win on
Speaker 1: his home soil, Like maybe that will be some rocket
Speaker 1: fuel for him. Um, you know, it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: a B list European Tour event, but he goes other
Speaker 1: he goes there and supports it, which is cool. And
Speaker 1: anytimes shot sixty two on Sunday to win a term
Speaker 1: that has meaning to you, Um, that's massive momentum. So
Speaker 1: I love John Wrong. I think he's a great stage
Speaker 1: and it's really fun to watch play, and I do
Speaker 1: think he's the most proficient golfer we have. But I
Speaker 1: just would like to see more victories. So it would
Speaker 1: be awesome if this, if this ignites something. Okay, this,
Speaker 1: I know people are gonna start clicking off. I can
Speaker 1: feel the clicks right now. But Frank lick Lighter okay,
Speaker 1: otherwise known as the Blade, and I'll get to that
Speaker 1: in a moment. But Frank lick Lighter in the Constellation
Speaker 1: Fark and Friends finished dead fucking last by ten strokes,
Speaker 1: which is hard to do in a professional golf tournament.
Speaker 1: He fired eight two, eight, two seventy five to shoot
Speaker 1: plus twenty three. And for the people listening that haven't
Speaker 1: been to a champions event, this is not the most
Speaker 1: difficult setups in the world. Okay, these are not You're
Speaker 1: not meant to shoot plus twenty three. So is nickname
Speaker 1: the Blade is because he allegedly pulled the knife on
Speaker 1: somebody and was arrested. That that part is not allegedly
Speaker 1: but allegedly was my my Frank lake Lighter story. At
Speaker 1: the John Deere Monday Qualifier. Uh, he comes in. Frank
Speaker 1: lack Lighter for those that don't know, smokes very very grumpy,
Speaker 1: very cross, smokes like a chimney, plays in every Monday
Speaker 1: qualifier for reasons no one knows, because he hasn't been
Speaker 1: sniffed one in fifteen years. Uh. Is that the John Deere.
Speaker 1: He's forty nine and he's eligible to play in the
Speaker 1: corn Ferry event in Utah. And I'm standing outside and
Speaker 1: his caddy puts down the bag and Frank goes into
Speaker 1: scoring and his Caddy's like, I'm not fucking going to Utah.
Speaker 1: I don't care what Frank says. He's an old, grumpy asshole.
Speaker 1: I'm not going. I'm whatever happens, I'm not going to Utah.
Speaker 1: And Frank comes out and goes, let's go to Utah,
Speaker 1: and the caddy goes okay, puts his bag and they
Speaker 1: had to Chicago. Well, so there was a period of
Speaker 1: franklick Ladder was shooting good scores in the PGA, and
Speaker 1: that was like the beginning of my That was like
Speaker 1: mid nineties. I was new to the beads um. He
Speaker 1: was the most frightening guy to interview because he just
Speaker 1: d g a f. I mean, he did not pretend
Speaker 1: to care and had no social graces. But I did
Speaker 1: catch him one time during a rain delay at Pebble
Speaker 1: Beach and he spoke about ten segrets. He told me
Speaker 1: all kinds of great stuff and it made my whole story.
Speaker 1: So I've always had some affection. I love them. I
Speaker 1: love him. There's no that, none of that that is
Speaker 1: all in Allegedly he carries a gun in his you
Speaker 1: know bag. I just he's just it goes back to
Speaker 1: everyone always says Alan that I like, I'm happy with,
Speaker 1: you know, people who smoke. It's not it's that smokers
Speaker 1: are the golf's best character's end of story. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't have to agree with anything that Frank does, but
Speaker 1: he's just a great character. Yeah, I Mean, the great
Speaker 1: thing about someone smoking is they're just gonna kind of
Speaker 1: stand there. You can hit him about twenty questions per sugarette.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're not going anywhere like you can't literally,
Speaker 1: they literally cannot go inside. Michael. Have you talked to
Speaker 1: Frank look Lighter and you're prolific career? Yeah? I have. Uh,
Speaker 1: there was the thing I remember, but I'm not remembering
Speaker 1: the details. Allen will probably remember, Yeah, what what happened there?
Speaker 1: Um it was I think it was. It was like
Speaker 1: maybe the Shark shootout was a team of it, I think,
Speaker 1: and lick Lighter was taking a drop and Facts and
Speaker 1: kind of wandered over to check it out, like what
Speaker 1: the are you doing here? Yeah, exactly, he dropped him.
Speaker 1: He dropped an F bomb and it got really spicy,
Speaker 1: and I think the cameras caught it, and it was
Speaker 1: it became a whole thing. Of course, Brad Facts and
Speaker 1: you know, it's the nicest guy in the world, and
Speaker 1: so the public opinions on Brad's side put it that way.
Speaker 1: I don't know said about his opinion of Fred Facts.
Speaker 1: This is who when we sent out the text message
Speaker 1: of what we were going to talk about, the Blade
Speaker 1: was not anywhere on this and that was that was
Speaker 1: very subtle. Well, I thought it was. You know, I
Speaker 1: served you up easy one with the reference to the
Speaker 1: senior event. They'll let you go a D two eighty
Speaker 1: two seventy eight for twenty three over. I think the
Speaker 1: way Ryan, if I may use this phrase twice with respect,
Speaker 1: one doesn't say one fires in eighty two. Now if
Speaker 1: Alan and I are playing together and he's going to
Speaker 1: report my score of eighty two back to let's say
Speaker 1: Matt Janella, because yeah, Barmberger was, he was amazing. He
Speaker 1: fired in eighty two. That would be appropriate because that's
Speaker 1: as good as I can shoot. What he he slogged
Speaker 1: his weight to heed he returned eighty two. He's signed for,
Speaker 1: he signed for. I mean, honestly, that would have been
Speaker 1: the most compelling golf of the whole season if he
Speaker 1: was miked up and they showed, oh my god, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you would have a month on Frank Lick, letter
Speaker 1: and and Candy when he's fired, firing, when he slogging
Speaker 1: through break the Internet, Break the Internet type stuff. But
Speaker 1: before I knew live golf was ever going to exist,
Speaker 1: I believe I watched Phil win this Furic event Furk
Speaker 1: and Friends at Tim mcquanin and and I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's where they still play it. And I felt
Speaker 1: just watching it off TV, I could Phil was winning
Speaker 1: the thing or I think went on to win the thing,
Speaker 1: and um, I felt like I could feel palpably Phil's boredom.
Speaker 1: I think the handwriting was already on the wall and
Speaker 1: people want to blame. People want to blame Schipnuk for
Speaker 1: the whole live thing, but I think it might have
Speaker 1: been It might have been Jim fearing we might have
Speaker 1: to do it, but I think Phils. I think when
Speaker 1: Phil won that tournament realized that it meant nothing to him.
Speaker 1: It's like, I gotta find something else to do with
Speaker 1: my next twenty years Now Why he didn't why he
Speaker 1: didn't go into business with Larry David and start doing
Speaker 1: their thing, Because Larry David likes golf and feel to
Speaker 1: try to be funny. That had promise, but anyway he
Speaker 1: went another way. So a side note about that, this
Speaker 1: would be the same question for the corn Ferry event.
Speaker 1: You go up to a hundred players, a hundred fans casual,
Speaker 1: you know that watches golf knows something about golf. How
Speaker 1: many would be able to answer that Steve Stricker one
Speaker 1: the Champions Tour this week because the four people, the
Speaker 1: three people on this podcast no way too much about golf,
Speaker 1: and I know way way too much about meaningless golf.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know that Steve Stricker one. So like
Speaker 1: like if you went to like a local UNI and
Speaker 1: you asked a hundred golf right like tomorrow morning on
Speaker 1: the range you went to, you know, you went to
Speaker 1: a municipal course range and you said, hey, who won
Speaker 1: the champions event? Would one be able to? I did know,
Speaker 1: and I've forgotten that Steve Stricker wanted. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why. I know because I looked at the scores
Speaker 1: and I think Bernhard Langer finished about four shots back
Speaker 1: and he's about eighty. Yeah. Well, I mean he's one
Speaker 1: like every event. That's just that's a bad sign for
Speaker 1: the the bad sign for the champions Ship. It's a
Speaker 1: huge statement about Bernhard liner Ryan. He's about sixty three
Speaker 1: and he's an absolute, complete, total stud. He's the closest
Speaker 1: thing we have to a Hogan in our Eric go
Speaker 1: Ahead run. This thing has gone off the rails. And
Speaker 1: I on my fault with with Frank Lick later and
Speaker 1: the John dear story, and from there it has been
Speaker 1: a fucking ship show. But great. I think it's great.
Speaker 1: I love this part of it. I love it. I
Speaker 1: love the mess of all of this, and I love
Speaker 1: that Jake is sitting silently for those listening. There's three
Speaker 1: windows across that we can see each other, but Jake
Speaker 1: goes incognito, and I know he's got his do reg
Speaker 1: on this morning tonight and like he is going, like
Speaker 1: what the fund has happened to my podcast? And he
Speaker 1: hates when I do this ship And I loved the
Speaker 1: Frank Lick letter stuff, and I love that I know
Speaker 1: that you cornered him for a thing, and I just
Speaker 1: love everything about it. I think, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the answer is the lunatic fringe of golf fan that's
Speaker 1: who listens to our podcast. Probably the people out there
Speaker 1: might be enjoying this because this is what they signed
Speaker 1: up for. This, they signed up for what not making
Speaker 1: them listen? I think they're doing it by choice and
Speaker 1: the hopefully slightly entertained or at least they're finishing their
Speaker 1: work out whatever it is. So, but you could be right, right,
Speaker 1: we might have lost eighty percent of our audience at
Speaker 1: this point it's fine. I mean one of the biggest
Speaker 1: questions I always get when I tweet about uh, Frank, look,
Speaker 1: Layer's wise he called the blade, and that answer is
Speaker 1: in this podcast. To answer your hypothetical, I would say,
Speaker 1: if you asked a hundred players at the sliest Fairways
Speaker 1: range tomorrow we won the champions Event, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: six because there are some people who are just bored
Speaker 1: at home and they just fill on or they're in
Speaker 1: the grill room after their round and they just happened
Speaker 1: the end. I mean, that's not three. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say one. Yeah, maybe the guy from Wisconsin, you
Speaker 1: know Alan, you know John rom sixty two? It's great.
Speaker 1: Tom Kim, it's great. And when when people see Tom
Speaker 1: Kim's name, they shouldn't think it's like a type over.
Speaker 1: Tom Kite is actually Tom Kim. But I would say
Speaker 1: Bernhard Langer. Is he sixty three shooting ten under when
Speaker 1: the winnership fourteen under is actually astounding? And I have
Speaker 1: a little bit of a theory on that. I think
Speaker 1: this guy has played so much tournament golf, like who Alan, Oh, well,
Speaker 1: who are we talking? Well, must have been Jeff Ogilby.
Speaker 1: We're saying you know, guys play fast at home, they
Speaker 1: shoot sixty eight, and then they go to a tournament
Speaker 1: they shot you know, you know, they shot seventy three.
Speaker 1: But Bernhard Langer has played so much tournament golf at
Speaker 1: this point that I would think it's just like a
Speaker 1: continuation of his everyday golf life. I mean probably that's
Speaker 1: probably the only golf he plays, this tournament golf. So
Speaker 1: there's no nervous disorder or anything else. He just knows
Speaker 1: how to play golf and get the Justin Thomas's whoop
Speaker 1: reading is I'd actually on Bernie longer because I bet
Speaker 1: he goes on Sunday afternoon his heartbeat is the exact
Speaker 1: same as a Tuesday practice round. Like you're saying, Michael,
Speaker 1: I think he's completely immune to the nerves and the
Speaker 1: mojo and all of it, and he just playing golf,
Speaker 1: just skill. Yeah, sup, you know, doesn't care what the
Speaker 1: swing looks like. Would't that be delightful. It's like I
Speaker 1: know that my own game when I got off to
Speaker 1: a crappy starting around and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this sucks. I'm gonna I have to struggle to break ninety,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you start playing great
Speaker 1: because you've given up and you know, to quote sic Irons,
Speaker 1: you've let the nothingness into your shots and you're just
Speaker 1: you get out of your own way and you just swing.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think that's probably the blessed state
Speaker 1: that a very small number of humans on the planet
Speaker 1: can summon in tournament golf. And we know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Ryan knows something about this because and we're not
Speaker 1: going to get into another time, but he won the
Speaker 1: club championship at a at Alpina, his his home club,
Speaker 1: once when he was I believe eighteen years old in
Speaker 1: the UH in the late summer of let's see, because
Speaker 1: he's born in seventy seven, and we won't get into
Speaker 1: it now, Ryan, So don't get into it now. We'll
Speaker 1: save it for another time. But his general attitude through
Speaker 1: the round was I don't give a fuck. And it
Speaker 1: went to a third playoff hall and Ryan wanted hit
Speaker 1: six on this par three and the Dad's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's a five, and Ryan's like, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: So he took the five and he stiffed in and
Speaker 1: won the won the event. But I think, I mean, Ryan, Ryan, No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't know this is about the d G A
Speaker 1: F Mark Baldwin. It, I mean, pro golf is exactly
Speaker 1: if you could bottle d G A F right like
Speaker 1: Mike Baldwin or any other pro can go out on
Speaker 1: a casual round of golf and shoot sixty five relatively easy. Uh.
Speaker 1: But when it's when the chips are down. Mirk always says,
Speaker 1: if I could just bottle, not giving a fuck, I
Speaker 1: would already be on the p G A Tour. You know, wow? Okay, last, Jake,
Speaker 1: I know you're struggling right now, and this has Gonne
Speaker 1: really Michael and Alan? How many Champions Tour wins? Does
Speaker 1: burn Hard longer currently on? Oh my god? Do you
Speaker 1: know the hardest tributa question in golf? And the only
Speaker 1: guy who can answer is the guy who used to
Speaker 1: run titlist? Peter your line while you while you line,
Speaker 1: Peter lins father. The hardest tribute question in golf is
Speaker 1: can you name all the lp J commissioners? Oh, but
Speaker 1: this is the second hardest question golf. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with But in thirteen years he had many six and
Speaker 1: five wins seasons. I'm gonna say it's um wow. Michael Bamberger,
Speaker 1: winner of the day forty three. Michael, you missed it
Speaker 1: by one. Honestly, God, I pulled out of nowhere. I
Speaker 1: have no idea why I got that. He had he
Speaker 1: passed his European Tour totally at forty two European Tour
Speaker 1: wins and now has forty three champions Stewart wins and
Speaker 1: somehow that second all time, which is wild. Who would
Speaker 1: be first? He's got to play enough to pass Hail. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Travino has gotta be up here. Hale broke Peter Thompson's record.
Speaker 1: I think in Hale won like eleven and I think
Speaker 1: Thompson had ten. And I was in Hawaii when Erwin
Speaker 1: broke the record writing for a Golf Plus story and
Speaker 1: I reached Peter Thompson somehow in Australia and we had
Speaker 1: just such a gent and just this incredible golfing mine
Speaker 1: and had the delightful conversation and um, this was This
Speaker 1: would have been the mid to late nineties, basically before
Speaker 1: the Internet. I don't think I had a cell phone,
Speaker 1: I didn't have an email. The Internet existed, but it
Speaker 1: was still rare, and Peter Thompson and I got him.
Speaker 1: It would have been like basically I think it was
Speaker 1: Sunday morning in Hawaii would have been like Monday afternoon, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know something like that in Australia. And he
Speaker 1: said to me, well, let me know if if Hale
Speaker 1: does it, because I won't get the results for three
Speaker 1: or four days. And and so Irwin wins. He breaks
Speaker 1: the record. And I called Peter Thompson a couple of
Speaker 1: times in the phone rang and rang, and he never answered.
Speaker 1: That was like the kicker to my story. He was
Speaker 1: very poignant, like he just he didn't even know. And
Speaker 1: as a member of parliament he might have been doing
Speaker 1: some other more important word, did he not have an
Speaker 1: elected position and in parliament at some point? But maybe
Speaker 1: way off on that, I'm not sure. But it's interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, as I'm I'm writing about you know, I'm
Speaker 1: writing this live book, and I'm Norman is obviously a
Speaker 1: central character. I've been talking to a lot of Aussee's
Speaker 1: and of course it has come through in some of
Speaker 1: our conversations with Jeff Ogilvie, the esteem that people have
Speaker 1: for Peter Thompson. It's made me to appreciate him in
Speaker 1: a different way because and I've gone back and read
Speaker 1: some of his writings like he rivals Bobby Jones for
Speaker 1: the elegance of his prose um as far as professional
Speaker 1: golfers go. And he was just a great thinker and
Speaker 1: such a gent and that, you know, I think about
Speaker 1: that conversation a lot. Is the only time I ever
Speaker 1: talked to him. But um, and when sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: you see on the internet these old golfers in their swings,
Speaker 1: and some of them don't hold up. It's like an
Speaker 1: old black and white movie like that. You can just
Speaker 1: tell their their club head speeds about eighty four and
Speaker 1: it just doesn't look like a real golf swing anymore.
Speaker 1: But Peter Thompson's action is so elegant and so timeless,
Speaker 1: Like I would encourage any golf fan to search it
Speaker 1: up because it's just a beautiful move. And it's a
Speaker 1: shame he didn't play more in the US and didn't
Speaker 1: have a um, you know, his heyday was was kind
Speaker 1: of I was never aware that he won, that he
Speaker 1: won so much on the senior Tour until you just
Speaker 1: said that, yeah, yeah, he came over and he did it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he did the damn thing. Like he was
Speaker 1: just so gifted. Man, I could listen you guys talk
Speaker 1: about a little ship like that phone called that Peter Thompson.
Speaker 1: I mean that is so cool. When when Peter was
Speaker 1: writing a book, Oh you've written y when Peter was
Speaker 1: really old. Let's see, well he died about three years ago,
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen. I think there was an open
Speaker 1: St Andrew's. But in two thousand and fifteen he was
Speaker 1: not in great shape and he came to St Andrews
Speaker 1: and he played in that little outing where you know,
Speaker 1: the old champs go out and they play one and
Speaker 1: two and seventeen and eighteen, you know. And just to
Speaker 1: see Peter Thompson on the old course and what he
Speaker 1: went five opens? Uh, that was something to see. Uh.
Speaker 1: And even then he had a beautifully fluid swing, you
Speaker 1: know in his in his mid eighties there. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a told Jon I think, uh, I think
Speaker 1: Bob Charles, whom I don't know at all, but I
Speaker 1: think he has held in in similar well, I know
Speaker 1: he's held in similar steam. You know, he didn't have it,
Speaker 1: he'd have nearly the record that Peter Thompson had, but
Speaker 1: he was he was a great golfer in his home right. Um.
Speaker 1: I remember when we started this podcast we'll just we'll
Speaker 1: just I mean every time we do it, we say
Speaker 1: it'll just be a half an hour. We'll just knock
Speaker 1: it out right real quick. And frank Licklider blew it up,
Speaker 1: blew it up. I mean, as as with many conversations
Speaker 1: the girl from Franklin Glader to Peter Thompson. It's a
Speaker 1: natural progressional taverns in st Andrew like his dog is
Speaker 1: gonna edit this whole thing out. So let's all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna if I may, I'm gonna read a quote,
Speaker 1: and you tell me the sport. Tell me the sport
Speaker 1: and the writer if you care to. Okay, it breaks
Speaker 1: your It breaks your heart. My brother just sent me this.
Speaker 1: It breaks your heart. It's designed to break your heart.
Speaker 1: The game begins in the spring when everything else begins again,
Speaker 1: and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings,
Speaker 1: and then as soon as the chill rains come, it
Speaker 1: stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. Roger
Speaker 1: Angel baseball, Ryan, I mean, it's gotta be baseball. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know any good based Ken Burns. That's good.
Speaker 1: If I told you that it was herb and golf, Alan,
Speaker 1: would you be shocked? Why would not? It's Bart Jim
Speaker 1: Madi in baseball part Yeah. Do you know what, uh
Speaker 1: Roger said of Bart he's a career far hundred talker,
Speaker 1: but he was also a career four hundred writer. But
Speaker 1: the beauty of that quote, I think is it kind
Speaker 1: of would hold up for golf except for that they
Speaker 1: play golf. What professional golf fifty weeks a year. I
Speaker 1: like the fact that we, the three of us, have
Speaker 1: an offseason. Uh, I think it's good. But anyway, do
Speaker 1: we though? Do we? Do? You know? Do you know
Speaker 1: that Michael wrote a play about Yes, I just spent
Speaker 1: twelve hours in a fucking car with my with Michael Bamberg.
Speaker 1: We've covered it all the thing. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: different discipline, thank you, than journalism. So Guscott, he's a
Speaker 1: five tool player to use a baseball I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean he took a shot like you have to both. Alan.
Speaker 1: Mark is very subtle to when he caddies, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he'll say things like maybe we could grab
Speaker 1: a bar next time we go buy one, Like oh,
Speaker 1: you should have grabbed on the last time, you fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: But Michael. Michael said the other day, I said, man,
Speaker 1: I really just tried to shut up and listen, and
Speaker 1: he goes, Ryan, you do about the talking, and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, like noted, noted, shut the funk up
Speaker 1: around Michael Bamberg or sometimes I guess that's probably a
Speaker 1: good ending point. We should all shut up and this
Speaker 1: podcast because it's it's uh, it's a little discursive, but
Speaker 1: you know that's that's the fun of the medium. Like, uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, maybe maybe listeners should play it back
Speaker 1: at one point five speed. I guess a little faster.
Speaker 1: But hey, Jake, Andy your new rag, do not edit
Speaker 1: one second to this out. It was all expression. Jake
Speaker 1: mollowney will not touch this. He knows better than that.
Speaker 1: All right, well, this was this was a long and
Speaker 1: winding fire drill podcast, honest to god, honest to god.
Speaker 1: This was not not messing around. This was my favorite
Speaker 1: fire drill we've ever done. All right, well, I haven't
Speaker 1: even have have an Australia based story. It's gonna melt
Speaker 1: your face off for next time. I can't wait. It's
Speaker 1: it's like a ten minute story. We can't start it now,
Speaker 1: but remind me of the next time we do this,
Speaker 1: and I will I will say the listeners, Um, we're
Speaker 1: beta testing an idea. We're just gonna have a Sunday
Speaker 1: night podcast, Rainer Shine with a variety. We're not actually
Speaker 1: sending this out to people, are we? Yes? We are? Michael.
Speaker 1: It was like a warm up BacT for something like that.
Speaker 1: Was No, this was amazing. No, this is going out.
Speaker 1: I mean, so we're gonna call that around the fire.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a play on around the horn, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have maybe a half dozens talk about what
Speaker 1: they're doing and what's going on in the world of golf.
Speaker 1: But we haven't done a fire drill in a while,
Speaker 1: and we gotta we gotta feed the beast. Michael. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this is going Jake, Jake, that's the social clip. That
Speaker 1: is the social clip. Michael Bamberger saying we're not gonna
Speaker 1: send this actually out to people? Are we we are?
Speaker 1: I would have shaved, but yeah, because I think the
Speaker 1: more the more we do these things, the more fun
Speaker 1: it is for all of us. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: loved every second of that last forty minutes. I really did. Serious,
Speaker 1: not Matt, Matt, no, no jokes. I could listen to
Speaker 1: you guys tell little an aldotical stories about people like
Speaker 1: Peter Thompson and Bargia money and whatever. Wonderful God, that
Speaker 1: was awesome. Alright, I'm ending this. This is Michael's look.
Speaker 1: Look at Michael's look. He's like, no way, we're really
Speaker 1: releasing this could be the end of my career at
Speaker 1: night in Philly, poor guy. I mean, I gotta load
Speaker 1: my story. By the way, just a very quick aside.
Speaker 1: When people speak of teams like the Niblicks, like what Ryan,
Speaker 1: what are some of these other teams? The High Flyers? Okay,
Speaker 1: fireball Philadelphia. Our baseball team is called the Phillies. Our
Speaker 1: football team is called the Eagles. And nobody's got to
Speaker 1: do any social media anything to propone interests in those teams.
Speaker 1: In other words, because team well anyway, yeah, alright, both
Speaker 1: of you be silent so I can this this podcast.
Speaker 1: We have to release our listeners. Um, are you gonna
Speaker 1: make a pitch for our commercial sponsors again or you're
Speaker 1: done with that. I did that at the start, like
Speaker 1: an hour and a half ago. It's been so long
Speaker 1: you forgot I did here. But I had a question
Speaker 1: about the scoring system. This is Alan SCHIEFNAC. That was
Speaker 1: Ryan Frends and Michael Bamager. This was a fire drill podcast.
Speaker 1: Um our apologies to the listeners. Um, we'll tighten things
Speaker 1: up next time. We promise it's gonna be a solid
Speaker 1: thirty two minutes and next time. But this was good
Speaker 1: fun as always. Thank you for for coming along on
Speaker 1: our our our chats and we will be back into
Speaker 1: here soon. Um this is the end, but only for
Speaker 1: a week or so. I've been big and I played
Speaker 1: to win. I made a fortune, win my ship game
Speaker 1: and I ran the table. Never thought I could fall down.
Speaker 1: The winter time hit me like a cannon ball, and
Speaker 1: now I can't shake this loosing the street. Every road
Speaker 1: I take is a dead end street. I got thoughts
Speaker 1: in my head. Can't get him trying not to think
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about about going though in my head.
Speaker 1: I can't get him out, trying not to think what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about tw