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Speaker 1: Joined by by two aces, not four aces like on

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Speaker 1: I stopped opening emails and I just deleted them. I

427
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Speaker 1: assumed I would never get paid. I mean, we talked

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Speaker 1: about this offline. It's just unbelievable how often this happens

429
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Speaker 1: in Many to our golf and the someday Ryan French

430
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Speaker 1: is gonna write ten thousand words about who these people

431
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Speaker 1: are who decide that starting a mini tour is a

432
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Speaker 1: good way to make a living. I mean, it's it

433
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Speaker 1: seems like any crow bonn of work to make a

434
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Speaker 1: very small amount of money and then you get then

435
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: things go sideways and you left hold in the bag.

436
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's to see. Sometimes it's incompetence. But it's just

437
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: like it's a crazy part of the golf world. But

438
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: the interesting question in this and as Ryan points out

439
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: in a story, he reached out to the commissioner of

440
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Speaker 1: the Mena tour who's a buddy of Greg Norman's, and

441
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: the guy didn't get back to us, so we don't

442
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Speaker 1: He didn't answer the tough questions like did you know

443
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: about um? You know? Does does Live Golf know about

444
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: this checkered history like to Live Golf do its due diligence?

445
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 1: Did they know what's in your d m s? I mean,

446
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 1: I think they lashed onto this crazy idea and they

447
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: probably don't. They may not even be aware of this

448
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 1: until they read your story. And again it's just again,

449
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 1: you know, lives attitude is let's just move fast and

450
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Speaker 1: break things, and it's gotten them this far. They you know,

451
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: but there's some untidiness involved, and this is just yet

452
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Speaker 1: another example. Ryan. I'm really glad you did the reporting

453
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Speaker 1: you did. I think it's I think it's great. But

454
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Speaker 1: I think where we're gonna find here is that all

455
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: Greg Norman and the libsters who are looking for it's

456
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: obvious to all of us. I'm sure is some existing

457
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: paperwork that they could latch onto and uh so whatever

458
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: problems there are, you know, if they have to write

459
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Speaker 1: a check for a couple of million dollars to make

460
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Speaker 1: things straight with a bunch of pistolf people, they'll they'll

461
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Speaker 1: do exactly that. They'll do whatever they I mean, look

462
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Speaker 1: how they've elevated the Asian Tour in no time. Look,

463
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: as Alan pointed out, just on a trickle down effect.

464
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: Look how much they're already going to elevate US Open

465
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Speaker 1: British Open qualifiers come this summer, which used to be

466
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Speaker 1: a thing that was really fun to pay attention to

467
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: and it and that's sort of diminished over time. Um so, yes,

468
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: it has it sounds like I'm sure Ryan has it.

469
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Speaker 1: You know, dead to rights. They've got a lousy history.

470
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Speaker 1: Uh they've got a really bad acronym. I I mean,

471
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Speaker 1: if you can't come up with something better than Mina.

472
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it would be, but Mina just

473
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Speaker 1: does not trip off the tongue. And of course you

474
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: flip the Ruther sign and at the mean tour. But

475
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: in any event, Uh, they'll make it straight and they'll

476
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Speaker 1: do with that Meaning Tour what they've already done with

477
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Speaker 1: the Asian Tour, and they will you. I think they'll

478
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Speaker 1: be effective with this Alan. Uh. I know why you're mocking,

479
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: and I understand that, but I think they'll say, you know,

480
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Speaker 1: we are them and they are us, and if they've

481
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Speaker 1: got points, then we get points. Uh. How you're gonna

482
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: actually allocate points for you know? Uh? No cut four

483
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: holes short field? I don't know. Uh, you know that's

484
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: really that's always going to remain remain The actual facts

485
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: are the actual effects. Uh. Is that it's very hard

486
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Speaker 1: to compare even the kid who went today super talent.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I know he is, you know, with with

488
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Speaker 1: a with a pedigree, um, but we don't know what

489
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Speaker 1: he would have done in the seventy seconds in the

490
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Speaker 1: holes in the in the fourth round. Uh. Everybody who's

491
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Speaker 1: ever won on tour in fifty four holes, it's always

492
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Speaker 1: like yeah, L maybe and I think I'm not sure

493
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Speaker 1: I have this correct. I think it used to be

494
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: that if you want to reign shorten event they didn't

495
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Speaker 1: give you the invites to the Masters. I don't know

496
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Speaker 1: if that's changed over the years, and it very seldom happens,

497
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Speaker 1: but it would be kind of interesting to know that.

498
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Speaker 1: But I think it was a clever you know. Yeah,

499
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: it looks tacking and is tacking, and it's a you know,

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Speaker 1: it looks like a disreputable organization or poorly run one

501
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: at best. But I think it's gonna work. I think

502
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Speaker 1: I think they're going to get what they want out

503
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Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I mean, I think from the live perspective,

504
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: it's very much like I mean, I put out a

505
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Speaker 1: tweet this like it feels kind of like both are

506
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: both the PJ Tour and the Lift Tour. Obviously more

507
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: on the Lift Tours, like they're kind of flying like

508
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: by the seat of their pants this Mina Tour. I

509
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: am with you, Alan, I am almost positive they know

510
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: nothing about what is going to come out in the story.

511
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: They were just like to plan whether it was two

512
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Speaker 1: weeks or twenty four hours or whatever, like, hey, we'll

513
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Speaker 1: sign on this Mena Tours you know, hasn't hasn't played

514
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Speaker 1: in two years, will say, where the MINA tour and

515
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: we'll get World ranking points. Let's do it. And if

516
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: they really thought that, or they just wanted to put

517
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Speaker 1: more pr you know, pressure on the O w g

518
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Speaker 1: R to to give them points, I don't know, um,

519
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: but it just seems like they're flying by the seat

520
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: of their pants. I'm almost positive they know nothing about this.

521
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: And and I think to Michael's point, obviously, I hope

522
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: that and the players that are that spoke to me

523
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: are hoping that that's what happens. Is they they get

524
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: some of the you know, they pay off these players,

525
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: and it looks good on them, right, It's like good

526
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Speaker 1: pr that, oh we didn't know about this, we'll happily

527
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Speaker 1: take care of it. You know, it's like forty dollars

528
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. So that's you know, pocket change for for them.

529
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: And and I mean, that's what I hope happens. But

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Speaker 1: it just seems like all of it is kind of

531
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Speaker 1: like I mean, I think it could go like that, Michael,

532
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: or they could go, oh, I'm sorry, we didn't know that,

533
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: let's hook onto the I mean, the Indian Pro Tour

534
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: has world ranking points. Okay, so of uh and it's

535
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: short fields all the time, all right, So they're just

536
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: gonna go over to the Indian Pro Tour and latch

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Speaker 1: onto them. I mean, what's amazing about the menatour schedule

538
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Speaker 1: is they've got ten events that are seventy person They

539
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Speaker 1: have ten events or twenty million dollar perst. Like the

540
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: history of Western civilization, has there ever been a bigger

541
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Speaker 1: gulf between the halves and the have nots. This is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: My favorite part of the of the release is, I mean,

543
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Speaker 1: you can read in this story, but the fact is

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Speaker 1: they sent out members. They send on an email to

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Speaker 1: members to send more money. These are people that have

546
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: been ripped off by this this tour to send more

547
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Speaker 1: money to become a member again because they need members

548
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Speaker 1: to be ow g R. And it says in the email,

549
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: we can skip Q school this year because we were

550
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: shut down for COVID blah blah blah. To send more money,

551
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: but your category and the schedule won't be released until

552
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: after you send your more money that we already And

553
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: then they released the schedule, and if you look at

554
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: it from a MINA players perspective, they promised in the

555
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Speaker 1: email there would be twenty four events. There's only twenty,

556
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: but twelve of them are mina are lived tour events

557
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: that these players will obviously never get into. I think

558
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Speaker 1: ten of them are actual events. The seventy dollars that

559
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: you speak of, uh Allen, and only one of them

560
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 1: has a venue, so they don't have a schedule. They

561
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: have an idea. They have like countries listed with dates,

562
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: no venues, no nothing. They're just like, yeah, that looks great,

563
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: let's just send that out and will look like a

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Speaker 1: very reputable I mean, all of it is to to

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Speaker 1: t b A. It's like it it is just MANI

566
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: tour perfection. I mean it is the hand of like

567
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: how do we run a shady mini tour? Is a

568
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: bunch of promises, not pay players and big you know,

569
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Speaker 1: like we're gonna have a twenty four events schedule, just

570
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: we don't have golf courses yet. Besides that, we are

571
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Speaker 1: ready to roll. And yet the media tour could hold

572
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: the key to the future of professional golf because as

573
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Speaker 1: Michael was seeing earlier, I mean it's the biggest issue

574
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Speaker 1: right now with live golfs. Are they gonna get what

575
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Speaker 1: ranking points are these guys can be able to play

576
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: in the majors and it will be hysterical if the

577
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: MENA Tour becomes important. I mean, it's been dormant since

578
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty. I mean it's just two thousand

579
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: and eighteen. I mean again part of the checker passes.

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00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: It's in the last four years, it's played one and

581
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Speaker 1: of one full season and five events, and it is

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Speaker 1: somehow a key cog in the wheel of one of

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Speaker 1: the biggest golf stories in our lifetime. It is wild wild.

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Speaker 1: Are there any new developments in jurisprudence as it relates

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Speaker 1: to uh, well, the various lawsuits that are in the

586
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: works and and the liking points and all the rest.

587
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Speaker 1: Really nothing in the latter half of this week. I mean,

588
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Speaker 1: I think most people by now know that Phil dropped

589
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: off the lawsuit with some other players, and um, that

590
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: becomes an interesting act of Phil came back on Twitter. Two.

591
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: What's that? Phil came back on Twitter too? That was

592
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: the development this week. Yeah. No, Phil is slowly emerging,

593
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: like liv is starting to use him a little bit

594
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Speaker 1: more and their promotional stuff and in their social media,

595
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: and he's talking a little bit more after his rounds

596
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: and you know, he just went underground, but he's still

597
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: an important asset for Live. I mean, he's kind of

598
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: the guy in a lot of ways. He's he's the

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Speaker 1: face of the tour even more than Camp Smith or

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Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson, and um, you know, but you can you

601
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: can talk those two other guys can't well exactly. And

602
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Speaker 1: I mean if you remember what a sensation Phil was

603
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Speaker 1: on social media for a while, like he's incredibly funny

604
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: and he's got a sharp needle and he could be

605
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: a great asset. And I think he's like kind of

606
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: slowly starting to find his footing and he's playing a

607
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: little better, you know. He Um, he just looks so

608
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Speaker 1: woe be gone this summer as he was kind of

609
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Speaker 1: adapting to these changes in his life and his his

610
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: his professional image. But he's starting to shoot better scores.

611
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: And again it's it's live golfing on how much stock

612
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: to put in in you know, a type for fifteenth

613
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, but it's clearly it's better shot sixty six

614
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: and seventy four. We all know that. So um, you

615
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: know it feels feeling a little frisky or that can

616
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: only help live golf, and it's just it becomes more

617
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: interesting heading into next season. But there's been so much,

618
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: Like we all know, the phrase grow, grow the game

619
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Speaker 1: has become such a pejorative and such an i roll.

620
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Speaker 1: But how is this week for professional golf? You know

621
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Speaker 1: PJ Tours in Japan and lives in Saudi Arabia. I

622
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: mean talking about growing the game, it's sort of happening unwittingly,

623
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: like um, pretty far flung events. You can be some

624
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: some strange nocturnal habits if you want to watch any

625
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: of this stuff live. But you know, I think it'll

626
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: be interesting to see what Live does this week. If

627
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: they have any more announcements up their sleeve. You know,

628
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: they'd like to drop something the week they're in aut

629
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Speaker 1: Arabia and um, you know, I thought they might try

630
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: and announce their women's schedule. That would be quite a

631
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: coup um. But talking to folks that live, they're not

632
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: ready for that. I mean one of their staffers or

633
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: one of their senior staffers said, we'd have to double

634
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: a number of people. And you know, we're we're still

635
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: building the plane as we're trying to fly like they's

636
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: just they're not ready for that. That's probably a year away.

637
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Speaker 1: But um, whether they can, they can announce another signing

638
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: or whatever that may be finalizer schedule. You know, the

639
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: next year schedule has been leaked tentatively, but we don't

640
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: have some venues and we don't have some some of

641
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: that stuff. So it'll be interesting. And how much are

642
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: they gonna try and win hearts and minds? You know,

643
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: take Patrick Read to an elementary school classroom again and

644
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: whatever whatever goofiness like you know, when the European Tour

645
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: goes over to one of these countries, they always do

646
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: some funds any things, like what is the vibe going

647
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: to be um at this tournament? I think we're all

648
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: waiting to see the lift. The lift uh social media

649
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: team is like going a little more out, but they

650
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: aren't getting players, big name players to join in. I

651
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw the video of taking

652
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: players to go eat crazy uh Thailand street food and

653
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 1: the two players they took were James Piatt and like

654
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, someone else and they're like, I mean they

655
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: must have been down the line before they finally got

656
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: to James, and he's like, yeah, I guess, oh man,

657
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: I got I mean, they didn't ask James, they just

658
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: got to James. And we're like, hey, James, guess what

659
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: you're in this bit that you gotta go eat four

660
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: year olds. You're probably gonna, you know, gonna miss tomorrow's

661
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: round with food poisoning. But you know your spot on

662
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: this tourist precarious at best, so best get out there.

663
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: Along those same lines. I don't know what they're gonna

664
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: do to start selling interest or starting gate what to

665
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: whatever degree, there is a public following for Live at

666
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: this point. I'm not saying it can't grow, because it

667
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: certainly can. But that team concept, you know, I'm looking

668
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: at the internet right here. Uh, the Crushers finished at

669
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: thirty eight under uh to lose by seven to the

670
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: fire Malls in the team in the team competition. The

671
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: new names so bad. Oh man, there's a zero point

672
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: zero chance that anybody anywhere in the world other than

673
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: the three of us is talking about the results. Uh,

674
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: the Fireballs, the Crushers, the Clicks and the iron Heads. Oh,

675
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: the Majestics finished seven finished, That's true. But you know,

676
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: of course I'm in too deep on all this stuff.

677
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: But like the team that won UM this week, I

678
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: mean it's like it's they're basically the hot blooded Latin players, right, Like,

679
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: that's how they're gonna have to sell them, and they

680
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: are going to rebrand, rename all that's up for grabs

681
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: next year. You know, this was abit a year they

682
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: were adding players as they went and the whole team

683
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: thing will be much more baked out next year. And

684
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: because I think they're cleverly grouping them by by country

685
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: or by region, I do think that creates more interest.

686
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: Like if if I'm if I'm a fan in in

687
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: Latin America, UM, and I see all the players on

688
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: one team kind of look like me, and they're speaking

689
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: Spanish to each other and they're waving their national flags,

690
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: Like I do think that has a chance. And if

691
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: they get the richest guy in UM, you know, Peru

692
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: to buy the team and promote it and it's it's

693
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: on some regional cable network throughout Latin America, Like there

694
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: is a possibility that this this could work, just like

695
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: you'll have an Australian team, you'll have a South African team,

696
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: you'll have an all English team, You'll have you know whatever.

697
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: Like I think that if they rebrand and they get

698
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: away from these hokeey names and it's a little more

699
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: organic to the identity of the players and the teams.

700
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: They could have some fun with it. So Alan, you

701
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: your point is well taken, Michael, right now, it's it's

702
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: a nonstarter with respect. College college football in the United

703
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: States is one of the most popular sporting entertainments in

704
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: the world. As Ryan will tell us, and he knows

705
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: better than you or Ryan, nobody watches college golf. So

706
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: if they can't make college golf work, how are they

707
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: going to make the fireballs in the aces in the

708
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: Majestics watchable? Yeah? I not watchable, but care that you

709
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: care about it. I mean, if you had a South

710
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: African team and you call them the Springboks, you know,

711
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: which is like one of their their big um is

712
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: it rugby or is it I think it's rugby? Whatever?

713
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: You know these sports, you get an Indian a team

714
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: of all Indian players, and you you've somehow grafted onto

715
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: the cricket fan base by by aligning it with a

716
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: big team, like you know, I'm just I'm just thinking

717
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: out loud here, Like underneath this podcast, someone is saying

718
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: that Alan is paid by Live right, I mean, like

719
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: that one of them. I'm not saying it's gonna work

720
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's the vision. I'm not saying you're

721
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: saying that. I'm just saying, yeah, well, I mean I

722
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: get it. I get it both ways. I'm a studge

723
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, that's what. That's the tour. Yeah, tomorrow

724
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get like, well, the PGA Tour must have

725
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: put you know, put you up to this. I mean,

726
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: if someone did the math on the on all the

727
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: bitchiness we get on Twitter, we'd be zillionaires. Ryan, because

728
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: everyone's paying us to do every story. I'm only getting

729
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: one check for the fire pit that sucked me. I

730
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: should the PGA Tour by timpionship j Monahan, Greg Norman Like,

731
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm where's the money, show me the money back to

732
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: the team thing. I'm with you, Alan, I honestly think

733
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: it could be a thing. The fact that everyone switched

734
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: teams and they have stupid names and all that kind

735
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: of stuff is really kind of ruined it. And I

736
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: called and here's the deal. Is the championship, the year

737
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: end Championship is fifty million and it's all team related.

738
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: So it's like they're going to force it down our

739
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: throats kind of in a way of like, hey, this

740
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: is important. This is what it does. I'm not saying

741
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. I'm just saying it's coming. And the

742
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: biggest thing that I've agreed with that that Live has

743
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: changed is shotgun starts are good. I like them. I'm

744
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: all in a shotgun starts. Obviously, it can't work because

745
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: the fields are too big. In the PJ Tour, I

746
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: love a two or three, you know, a four hour

747
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: everybody's on the course at the same time. It's really good.

748
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: Do you think, Ryan, do you think these massive pay

749
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: days for team events that you think that becomes more

750
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: appealing to the public at large, Because I think if

751
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: I think the opposite for sure, and I think the

752
00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: FedEx quote playoffs end quote is almost proof of that. It.

753
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree, I'm not even talking about I

754
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: agree Michael totally on the money. I mean that obviously,

755
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: as you know, like funny money and no cut events

756
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: just zero interest to me to start. But I'm just

757
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: saying they're forcing the team to it, so they're going

758
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: to really push for that too, you know, be a

759
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: huge part of who they are. I mean, it just

760
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: is so it's either going to work or it's not.

761
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: It's not like they're having it in the background, is

762
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Is they're making it a prominent part

763
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: of who they are well, and it's a it's an

764
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: important part of their business model because everyone's like, these

765
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: guys are not trying to make money, they're just pooring,

766
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: they're just pissing it away. I mean, they do want

767
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: to make money. They at least want to break even,

768
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: like you don't. You don't have the biggest fund in

769
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: the world by making bad business decisions. And uh, you know,

770
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: the vision is they can sell these franchises for tens

771
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: and tens of millions, maybe a hundred million. You know,

772
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: some of the numbers sound fantastical, but when you think

773
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: about it, there's a very limited number of English Premier

774
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: League football tea teams are available, or NFL teams or

775
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: NBA teams, and there's a lot of really rich dudes

776
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: who want to own something in the in the sports space.

777
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: Probably most of them play golf, and so they may

778
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: have more interest in buying these franchises. And we could

779
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: imagine because we're not board rich guys and so, and

780
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: especially as you talk alan in other countries, you know,

781
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean the guy in Spain who knows Sergio, and

782
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, wants to hang out with Sergio. And there's

783
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: a billionaire, it's like, yeah, sure, I'll buy this team

784
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: for a hundred and fifty million or whatever that's going

785
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: to be. You know, you buy Dustin's team, you could

786
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: hang out on the the yacht with him and Paulina. It

787
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: looks it looks fun right like. Um, so anyway, we

788
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: don't have to go totally down the live rabbit hole.

789
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: But it's um. I just think that this week when

790
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: they're in in Saudi Arabia is going to be fascinating

791
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: on any number of levels. And um, but um, anything

792
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: else we need to talk about before we end this

793
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: Fire Drill podcasts. I think Jim Furick won the senior event. No,

794
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: he didn't. It was his event, Dude, wasn't that he

795
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: didn't win it? I don't know, but I don't think

796
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: Jim did because it's his event. Hope. Please Steve Stricker

797
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: won the Furk the Constellation furc in friends. No, I

798
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: would like to see Steve Stricker and Tom Kim compare

799
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: swing notes because it's Tom Kim. He's just got a

800
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: short backswing without much of them. If it doesn't look

801
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: like he's trying to kill it at all. Has any

802
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: has anybody thank you for that update, Bryan. I appreciate that.

803
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: Has anybody heard Tom Kim talked about what he's trying

804
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: to achieve with that golf swing or why he swings

805
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: the way he swings. It's beautiful, it's different. I mean,

806
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: it's not wrong, it's so just Oh John wrong by

807
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: the way, shot sixty two twin in Spain, which I

808
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: think is so cool because and then congratulated the guy

809
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: from Live for winning very controversial. Yeah yeah, um well,

810
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: and John Robinson out there saying he wants he wants

811
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: to Live guys on on the Ryder Cup team. Um,

812
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: you know there's all these little subtle exactly well, Rory

813
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: said the opposite. You know, Roy's flat out said I

814
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: don't want these guys are I'm paraphrasing, they are a cancer.

815
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: We don't want him in our team room. I think

816
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: Rom's more more pragmatic, like we're seriously outgunned. We need

817
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: some depth and let's bring some of those boys over.

818
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I think about John ram he's

819
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: probably the best golfer on planet Earth, but he just

820
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: doesn't win enough, Like shoot sixty two to win on

821
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: his home soil, Like maybe that will be some rocket

822
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: fuel for him. Um, you know, it's it's kind of

823
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: a B list European Tour event, but he goes other

824
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: he goes there and supports it, which is cool. And

825
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: anytimes shot sixty two on Sunday to win a term

826
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: that has meaning to you, Um, that's massive momentum. So

827
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: I love John Wrong. I think he's a great stage

828
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: and it's really fun to watch play, and I do

829
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: think he's the most proficient golfer we have. But I

830
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: just would like to see more victories. So it would

831
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: be awesome if this, if this ignites something. Okay, this,

832
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: I know people are gonna start clicking off. I can

833
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: feel the clicks right now. But Frank lick Lighter okay,

834
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: otherwise known as the Blade, and I'll get to that

835
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: in a moment. But Frank lick Lighter in the Constellation

836
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: Fark and Friends finished dead fucking last by ten strokes,

837
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: which is hard to do in a professional golf tournament.

838
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: He fired eight two, eight, two seventy five to shoot

839
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: plus twenty three. And for the people listening that haven't

840
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: been to a champions event, this is not the most

841
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: difficult setups in the world. Okay, these are not You're

842
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: not meant to shoot plus twenty three. So is nickname

843
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: the Blade is because he allegedly pulled the knife on

844
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: somebody and was arrested. That that part is not allegedly

845
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: but allegedly was my my Frank lake Lighter story. At

846
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: the John Deere Monday Qualifier. Uh, he comes in. Frank

847
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: lack Lighter for those that don't know, smokes very very grumpy,

848
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: very cross, smokes like a chimney, plays in every Monday

849
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: qualifier for reasons no one knows, because he hasn't been

850
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: sniffed one in fifteen years. Uh. Is that the John Deere.

851
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: He's forty nine and he's eligible to play in the

852
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: corn Ferry event in Utah. And I'm standing outside and

853
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: his caddy puts down the bag and Frank goes into

854
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: scoring and his Caddy's like, I'm not fucking going to Utah.

855
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I don't care what Frank says. He's an old, grumpy asshole.

856
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm not going. I'm whatever happens, I'm not going to Utah.

857
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: And Frank comes out and goes, let's go to Utah,

858
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: and the caddy goes okay, puts his bag and they

859
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: had to Chicago. Well, so there was a period of

860
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: franklick Ladder was shooting good scores in the PGA, and

861
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: that was like the beginning of my That was like

862
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: mid nineties. I was new to the beads um. He

863
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: was the most frightening guy to interview because he just

864
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: d g a f. I mean, he did not pretend

865
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: to care and had no social graces. But I did

866
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: catch him one time during a rain delay at Pebble

867
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Beach and he spoke about ten segrets. He told me

868
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: all kinds of great stuff and it made my whole story.

869
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: So I've always had some affection. I love them. I

870
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: love him. There's no that, none of that that is

871
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: all in Allegedly he carries a gun in his you

872
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: know bag. I just he's just it goes back to

873
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: everyone always says Alan that I like, I'm happy with,

874
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, people who smoke. It's not it's that smokers

875
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: are the golf's best character's end of story. Like, I

876
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: don't have to agree with anything that Frank does, but

877
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: he's just a great character. Yeah, I Mean, the great

878
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: thing about someone smoking is they're just gonna kind of

879
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: stand there. You can hit him about twenty questions per sugarette.

880
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're not going anywhere like you can't literally,

881
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: they literally cannot go inside. Michael. Have you talked to

882
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: Frank look Lighter and you're prolific career? Yeah? I have. Uh,

883
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: there was the thing I remember, but I'm not remembering

884
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: the details. Allen will probably remember, Yeah, what what happened there?

885
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: Um it was I think it was. It was like

886
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: maybe the Shark shootout was a team of it, I think,

887
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: and lick Lighter was taking a drop and Facts and

888
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: kind of wandered over to check it out, like what

889
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: the are you doing here? Yeah, exactly, he dropped him.

890
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: He dropped an F bomb and it got really spicy,

891
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: and I think the cameras caught it, and it was

892
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: it became a whole thing. Of course, Brad Facts and

893
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's the nicest guy in the world, and

894
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: so the public opinions on Brad's side put it that way.

895
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: I don't know said about his opinion of Fred Facts.

896
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: This is who when we sent out the text message

897
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: of what we were going to talk about, the Blade

898
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: was not anywhere on this and that was that was

899
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: very subtle. Well, I thought it was. You know, I

900
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: served you up easy one with the reference to the

901
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: senior event. They'll let you go a D two eighty

902
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: two seventy eight for twenty three over. I think the

903
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: way Ryan, if I may use this phrase twice with respect,

904
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: one doesn't say one fires in eighty two. Now if

905
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: Alan and I are playing together and he's going to

906
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: report my score of eighty two back to let's say

907
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: Matt Janella, because yeah, Barmberger was, he was amazing. He

908
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: fired in eighty two. That would be appropriate because that's

909
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: as good as I can shoot. What he he slogged

910
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: his weight to heed he returned eighty two. He's signed for,

911
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: he signed for. I mean, honestly, that would have been

912
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: the most compelling golf of the whole season if he

913
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: was miked up and they showed, oh my god, I mean,

914
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: if you would have a month on Frank Lick, letter

915
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: and and Candy when he's fired, firing, when he slogging

916
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: through break the Internet, Break the Internet type stuff. But

917
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: before I knew live golf was ever going to exist,

918
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: I believe I watched Phil win this Furic event Furk

919
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: and Friends at Tim mcquanin and and I don't know

920
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: if that's where they still play it. And I felt

921
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: just watching it off TV, I could Phil was winning

922
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: the thing or I think went on to win the thing,

923
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: and um, I felt like I could feel palpably Phil's boredom.

924
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: I think the handwriting was already on the wall and

925
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: people want to blame. People want to blame Schipnuk for

926
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: the whole live thing, but I think it might have

927
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: been It might have been Jim fearing we might have

928
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: to do it, but I think Phils. I think when

929
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: Phil won that tournament realized that it meant nothing to him.

930
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: It's like, I gotta find something else to do with

931
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: my next twenty years Now Why he didn't why he

932
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: didn't go into business with Larry David and start doing

933
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: their thing, Because Larry David likes golf and feel to

934
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: try to be funny. That had promise, but anyway he

935
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: went another way. So a side note about that, this

936
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,479
Speaker 1: would be the same question for the corn Ferry event.

937
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: You go up to a hundred players, a hundred fans casual,

938
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: you know that watches golf knows something about golf. How

939
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: many would be able to answer that Steve Stricker one

940
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: the Champions Tour this week because the four people, the

941
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: three people on this podcast no way too much about golf,

942
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: and I know way way too much about meaningless golf.

943
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: And I didn't know that Steve Stricker one. So like

944
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: like if you went to like a local UNI and

945
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: you asked a hundred golf right like tomorrow morning on

946
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: the range you went to, you know, you went to

947
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: a municipal course range and you said, hey, who won

948
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: the champions event? Would one be able to? I did know,

949
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: and I've forgotten that Steve Stricker wanted. And I'll tell

950
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: you why. I know because I looked at the scores

951
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: and I think Bernhard Langer finished about four shots back

952
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: and he's about eighty. Yeah. Well, I mean he's one

953
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: like every event. That's just that's a bad sign for

954
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: the the bad sign for the champions Ship. It's a

955
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: huge statement about Bernhard liner Ryan. He's about sixty three

956
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: and he's an absolute, complete, total stud. He's the closest

957
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: thing we have to a Hogan in our Eric go

958
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: Ahead run. This thing has gone off the rails. And

959
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: I on my fault with with Frank Lick later and

960
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: the John dear story, and from there it has been

961
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: a fucking ship show. But great. I think it's great.

962
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: I love this part of it. I love it. I

963
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: love the mess of all of this, and I love

964
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: that Jake is sitting silently for those listening. There's three

965
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: windows across that we can see each other, but Jake

966
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: goes incognito, and I know he's got his do reg

967
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: on this morning tonight and like he is going, like

968
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: what the fund has happened to my podcast? And he

969
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: hates when I do this ship And I loved the

970
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: Frank Lick letter stuff, and I love that I know

971
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: that you cornered him for a thing, and I just

972
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: love everything about it. I think, I mean, I think

973
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: the answer is the lunatic fringe of golf fan that's

974
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: who listens to our podcast. Probably the people out there

975
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 1: might be enjoying this because this is what they signed

976
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: up for. This, they signed up for what not making

977
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: them listen? I think they're doing it by choice and

978
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: the hopefully slightly entertained or at least they're finishing their

979
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: work out whatever it is. So, but you could be right, right,

980
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: we might have lost eighty percent of our audience at

981
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: this point it's fine. I mean one of the biggest

982
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: questions I always get when I tweet about uh, Frank, look,

983
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: Layer's wise he called the blade, and that answer is

984
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: in this podcast. To answer your hypothetical, I would say,

985
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: if you asked a hundred players at the sliest Fairways

986
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: range tomorrow we won the champions Event, I'm gonna say

987
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: six because there are some people who are just bored

988
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: at home and they just fill on or they're in

989
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: the grill room after their round and they just happened

990
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: the end. I mean, that's not three. Yeah, yeah, I

991
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: would say one. Yeah, maybe the guy from Wisconsin, you

992
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: know Alan, you know John rom sixty two? It's great.

993
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: Tom Kim, it's great. And when when people see Tom

994
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: Kim's name, they shouldn't think it's like a type over.

995
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: Tom Kite is actually Tom Kim. But I would say

996
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: Bernhard Langer. Is he sixty three shooting ten under when

997
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: the winnership fourteen under is actually astounding? And I have

998
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: a little bit of a theory on that. I think

999
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: this guy has played so much tournament golf, like who Alan, Oh, well,

1000
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: who are we talking? Well, must have been Jeff Ogilby.

1001
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: We're saying you know, guys play fast at home, they

1002
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: shoot sixty eight, and then they go to a tournament

1003
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: they shot you know, you know, they shot seventy three.

1004
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: But Bernhard Langer has played so much tournament golf at

1005
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: this point that I would think it's just like a

1006
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: continuation of his everyday golf life. I mean probably that's

1007
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: probably the only golf he plays, this tournament golf. So

1008
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: there's no nervous disorder or anything else. He just knows

1009
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: how to play golf and get the Justin Thomas's whoop

1010
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: reading is I'd actually on Bernie longer because I bet

1011
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: he goes on Sunday afternoon his heartbeat is the exact

1012
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: same as a Tuesday practice round. Like you're saying, Michael,

1013
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: I think he's completely immune to the nerves and the

1014
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: mojo and all of it, and he just playing golf,

1015
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: just skill. Yeah, sup, you know, doesn't care what the

1016
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: swing looks like. Would't that be delightful. It's like I

1017
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: know that my own game when I got off to

1018
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: a crappy starting around and I'm like, oh my god,

1019
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 1: this sucks. I'm gonna I have to struggle to break ninety,

1020
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you start playing great

1021
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: because you've given up and you know, to quote sic Irons,

1022
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: you've let the nothingness into your shots and you're just

1023
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: you get out of your own way and you just swing.

1024
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think that's probably the blessed state

1025
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 1: that a very small number of humans on the planet

1026
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: can summon in tournament golf. And we know, yeah, I

1027
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: think Ryan knows something about this because and we're not

1028
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: going to get into another time, but he won the

1029
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: club championship at a at Alpina, his his home club,

1030
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: once when he was I believe eighteen years old in

1031
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: the UH in the late summer of let's see, because

1032
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: he's born in seventy seven, and we won't get into

1033
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: it now, Ryan, So don't get into it now. We'll

1034
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: save it for another time. But his general attitude through

1035
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: the round was I don't give a fuck. And it

1036
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: went to a third playoff hall and Ryan wanted hit

1037
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: six on this par three and the Dad's like, no,

1038
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: it's a five, and Ryan's like, I don't give a fuck.

1039
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: So he took the five and he stiffed in and

1040
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: won the won the event. But I think, I mean, Ryan, Ryan, No, No,

1041
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: I don't know this is about the d G A

1042
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: F Mark Baldwin. It, I mean, pro golf is exactly

1043
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: if you could bottle d G A F right like

1044
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: Mike Baldwin or any other pro can go out on

1045
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: a casual round of golf and shoot sixty five relatively easy. Uh.

1046
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: But when it's when the chips are down. Mirk always says,

1047
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: if I could just bottle, not giving a fuck, I

1048
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: would already be on the p G A Tour. You know, wow? Okay, last, Jake,

1049
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 1: I know you're struggling right now, and this has Gonne

1050
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: really Michael and Alan? How many Champions Tour wins? Does

1051
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: burn Hard longer currently on? Oh my god? Do you

1052
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: know the hardest tributa question in golf? And the only

1053
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: guy who can answer is the guy who used to

1054
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: run titlist? Peter your line while you while you line,

1055
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: Peter lins father. The hardest tribute question in golf is

1056
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: can you name all the lp J commissioners? Oh, but

1057
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: this is the second hardest question golf. I'm gonna go

1058
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: with But in thirteen years he had many six and

1059
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: five wins seasons. I'm gonna say it's um wow. Michael Bamberger,

1060
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: winner of the day forty three. Michael, you missed it

1061
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: by one. Honestly, God, I pulled out of nowhere. I

1062
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: have no idea why I got that. He had he

1063
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: passed his European Tour totally at forty two European Tour

1064
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: wins and now has forty three champions Stewart wins and

1065
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: somehow that second all time, which is wild. Who would

1066
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: be first? He's got to play enough to pass Hail. Yeah,

1067
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: Travino has gotta be up here. Hale broke Peter Thompson's record.

1068
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: I think in Hale won like eleven and I think

1069
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: Thompson had ten. And I was in Hawaii when Erwin

1070
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: broke the record writing for a Golf Plus story and

1071
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: I reached Peter Thompson somehow in Australia and we had

1072
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: just such a gent and just this incredible golfing mine

1073
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: and had the delightful conversation and um, this was This

1074
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: would have been the mid to late nineties, basically before

1075
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: the Internet. I don't think I had a cell phone,

1076
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: I didn't have an email. The Internet existed, but it

1077
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: was still rare, and Peter Thompson and I got him.

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00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: It would have been like basically I think it was

1079
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: Sunday morning in Hawaii would have been like Monday afternoon, right,

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00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't know something like that in Australia. And he

1081
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: said to me, well, let me know if if Hale

1082
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: does it, because I won't get the results for three

1083
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: or four days. And and so Irwin wins. He breaks

1084
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: the record. And I called Peter Thompson a couple of

1085
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: times in the phone rang and rang, and he never answered.

1086
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: That was like the kicker to my story. He was

1087
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: very poignant, like he just he didn't even know. And

1088
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: as a member of parliament he might have been doing

1089
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: some other more important word, did he not have an

1090
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: elected position and in parliament at some point? But maybe

1091
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: way off on that, I'm not sure. But it's interesting,

1092
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, as I'm I'm writing about you know, I'm

1093
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: writing this live book, and I'm Norman is obviously a

1094
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: central character. I've been talking to a lot of Aussee's

1095
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: and of course it has come through in some of

1096
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: our conversations with Jeff Ogilvie, the esteem that people have

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00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: for Peter Thompson. It's made me to appreciate him in

1098
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: a different way because and I've gone back and read

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00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: some of his writings like he rivals Bobby Jones for

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00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: the elegance of his prose um as far as professional

1101
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: golfers go. And he was just a great thinker and

1102
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: such a gent and that, you know, I think about

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00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: that conversation a lot. Is the only time I ever

1104
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: talked to him. But um, and when sometimes you know,

1105
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: you see on the internet these old golfers in their swings,

1106
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: and some of them don't hold up. It's like an

1107
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: old black and white movie like that. You can just

1108
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: tell their their club head speeds about eighty four and

1109
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: it just doesn't look like a real golf swing anymore.

1110
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: But Peter Thompson's action is so elegant and so timeless,

1111
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: Like I would encourage any golf fan to search it

1112
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: up because it's just a beautiful move. And it's a

1113
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: shame he didn't play more in the US and didn't

1114
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: have a um, you know, his heyday was was kind

1115
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: of I was never aware that he won, that he

1116
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: won so much on the senior Tour until you just

1117
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: said that, yeah, yeah, he came over and he did it.

1118
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he did the damn thing. Like he was

1119
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: just so gifted. Man, I could listen you guys talk

1120
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: about a little ship like that phone called that Peter Thompson.

1121
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean that is so cool. When when Peter was

1122
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: writing a book, Oh you've written y when Peter was

1123
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: really old. Let's see, well he died about three years ago,

1124
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen. I think there was an open

1125
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: St Andrew's. But in two thousand and fifteen he was

1126
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: not in great shape and he came to St Andrews

1127
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: and he played in that little outing where you know,

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01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: the old champs go out and they play one and

1129
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: two and seventeen and eighteen, you know. And just to

1130
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: see Peter Thompson on the old course and what he

1131
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: went five opens? Uh, that was something to see. Uh.

1132
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: And even then he had a beautifully fluid swing, you

1133
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: know in his in his mid eighties there. Um, yeah,

1134
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: he was a told Jon I think, uh, I think

1135
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: Bob Charles, whom I don't know at all, but I

1136
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: think he has held in in similar well, I know

1137
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: he's held in similar steam. You know, he didn't have it,

1138
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: he'd have nearly the record that Peter Thompson had, but

1139
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: he was he was a great golfer in his home right. Um.

1140
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: I remember when we started this podcast we'll just we'll

1141
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: just I mean every time we do it, we say

1142
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: it'll just be a half an hour. We'll just knock

1143
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: it out right real quick. And frank Licklider blew it up,

1144
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: blew it up. I mean, as as with many conversations

1145
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: the girl from Franklin Glader to Peter Thompson. It's a

1146
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: natural progressional taverns in st Andrew like his dog is

1147
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: gonna edit this whole thing out. So let's all right,

1148
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna if I may, I'm gonna read a quote,

1149
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: and you tell me the sport. Tell me the sport

1150
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: and the writer if you care to. Okay, it breaks

1151
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: your It breaks your heart. My brother just sent me this.

1152
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 1: It breaks your heart. It's designed to break your heart.

1153
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,959
Speaker 1: The game begins in the spring when everything else begins again,

1154
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings,

1155
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: and then as soon as the chill rains come, it

1156
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. Roger

1157
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: Angel baseball, Ryan, I mean, it's gotta be baseball. Uh.

1158
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't know any good based Ken Burns. That's good.

1159
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: If I told you that it was herb and golf, Alan,

1160
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: would you be shocked? Why would not? It's Bart Jim

1161
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: Madi in baseball part Yeah. Do you know what, uh

1162
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: Roger said of Bart he's a career far hundred talker,

1163
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: but he was also a career four hundred writer. But

1164
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: the beauty of that quote, I think is it kind

1165
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: of would hold up for golf except for that they

1166
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: play golf. What professional golf fifty weeks a year. I

1167
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: like the fact that we, the three of us, have

1168
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: an offseason. Uh, I think it's good. But anyway, do

1169
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: we though? Do we? Do? You know? Do you know

1170
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: that Michael wrote a play about Yes, I just spent

1171
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: twelve hours in a fucking car with my with Michael Bamberg.

1172
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: We've covered it all the thing. I mean, it's a

1173
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: different discipline, thank you, than journalism. So Guscott, he's a

1174
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: five tool player to use a baseball I mean, I

1175
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: mean he took a shot like you have to both. Alan.

1176
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: Mark is very subtle to when he caddies, he's like, yeah,

1177
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 1: you know, he'll say things like maybe we could grab

1178
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: a bar next time we go buy one, Like oh,

1179
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: you should have grabbed on the last time, you fucking idiot.

1180
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: But Michael. Michael said the other day, I said, man,

1181
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: I really just tried to shut up and listen, and

1182
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: he goes, Ryan, you do about the talking, and I

1183
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: was like, okay, like noted, noted, shut the funk up

1184
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: around Michael Bamberg or sometimes I guess that's probably a

1185
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: good ending point. We should all shut up and this

1186
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: podcast because it's it's uh, it's a little discursive, but

1187
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: you know that's that's the fun of the medium. Like, uh,

1188
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, maybe maybe listeners should play it back

1189
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: at one point five speed. I guess a little faster.

1190
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: But hey, Jake, Andy your new rag, do not edit

1191
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: one second to this out. It was all expression. Jake

1192
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: mollowney will not touch this. He knows better than that.

1193
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: All right, well, this was this was a long and

1194
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: winding fire drill podcast, honest to god, honest to god.

1195
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: This was not not messing around. This was my favorite

1196
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: fire drill we've ever done. All right, well, I haven't

1197
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: even have have an Australia based story. It's gonna melt

1198
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: your face off for next time. I can't wait. It's

1199
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: it's like a ten minute story. We can't start it now,

1200
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: but remind me of the next time we do this,

1201
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: and I will I will say the listeners, Um, we're

1202
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: beta testing an idea. We're just gonna have a Sunday

1203
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: night podcast, Rainer Shine with a variety. We're not actually

1204
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: sending this out to people, are we? Yes? We are? Michael.

1205
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: It was like a warm up BacT for something like that.

1206
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: Was No, this was amazing. No, this is going out.

1207
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: I mean, so we're gonna call that around the fire.

1208
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: It's kind of a play on around the horn, and

1209
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna have maybe a half dozens talk about what

1210
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: they're doing and what's going on in the world of golf.

1211
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: But we haven't done a fire drill in a while,

1212
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: and we gotta we gotta feed the beast. Michael. So yeah,

1213
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: this is going Jake, Jake, that's the social clip. That

1214
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: is the social clip. Michael Bamberger saying we're not gonna

1215
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: send this actually out to people? Are we we are?

1216
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: I would have shaved, but yeah, because I think the

1217
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: more the more we do these things, the more fun

1218
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: it is for all of us. Oh my god, I

1219
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: loved every second of that last forty minutes. I really did. Serious,

1220
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: not Matt, Matt, no, no jokes. I could listen to

1221
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: you guys tell little an aldotical stories about people like

1222
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: Peter Thompson and Bargia money and whatever. Wonderful God, that

1223
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: was awesome. Alright, I'm ending this. This is Michael's look.

1224
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: Look at Michael's look. He's like, no way, we're really

1225
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: releasing this could be the end of my career at

1226
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: night in Philly, poor guy. I mean, I gotta load

1227
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: my story. By the way, just a very quick aside.

1228
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: When people speak of teams like the Niblicks, like what Ryan,

1229
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: what are some of these other teams? The High Flyers? Okay,

1230
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: fireball Philadelphia. Our baseball team is called the Phillies. Our

1231
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: football team is called the Eagles. And nobody's got to

1232
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: do any social media anything to propone interests in those teams.

1233
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: In other words, because team well anyway, yeah, alright, both

1234
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: of you be silent so I can this this podcast.

1235
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: We have to release our listeners. Um, are you gonna

1236
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: make a pitch for our commercial sponsors again or you're

1237
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: done with that. I did that at the start, like

1238
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: an hour and a half ago. It's been so long

1239
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: you forgot I did here. But I had a question

1240
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: about the scoring system. This is Alan SCHIEFNAC. That was

1241
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: Ryan Frends and Michael Bamager. This was a fire drill podcast.

1242
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: Um our apologies to the listeners. Um, we'll tighten things

1243
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: up next time. We promise it's gonna be a solid

1244
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: thirty two minutes and next time. But this was good

1245
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: fun as always. Thank you for for coming along on

1246
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: our our our chats and we will be back into

1247
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: here soon. Um this is the end, but only for

1248
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: a week or so. I've been big and I played

1249
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: to win. I made a fortune, win my ship game

1250
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: and I ran the table. Never thought I could fall down.

1251
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: The winter time hit me like a cannon ball, and

1252
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: now I can't shake this loosing the street. Every road

1253
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: I take is a dead end street. I got thoughts

1254
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: in my head. Can't get him trying not to think

1255
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about about going though in my head.

1256
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: I can't get him out, trying not to think what

1257
01:07:54,920 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about tw