Speaker 1: Hey, the folks. It is Thursday, June and twelfth day
Speaker 1: twenty two officially in the fifth week of the Didy trial.
Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Any and TJ. We continue
Speaker 1: to be your one stop shop for all things did
Speaker 1: He trial to get you caught up on the latest,
Speaker 1: and we are recording this robes on this day twenty
Speaker 1: two and as of this recording, testimony hasn't started yet,
Speaker 1: and it was supposed to start a couple of hours ago.
Speaker 1: We need to start with whatever this is going on
Speaker 1: in court this morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for everyone to know.
Speaker 3: The judge called back the attorneys for both sides into
Speaker 3: his chambers and there's been a lot of back and forth.
Speaker 3: The courtroom's buzzing, and the reporters who are inside that
Speaker 3: Lower Manhattan courtrooms say, no one knows what's going on.
Speaker 3: They're trying to read Ditty's facial expressions, his lawyer's facial expressions.
Speaker 3: But there's some issue that has not been resolved yet,
Speaker 3: and it appears to be something different than whether or
Speaker 3: not this juror that we've talked about is going to
Speaker 3: be allowed to continue in this trial.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it hasn't been resolved. It hasn't been made
Speaker 1: clear at all exactly what this particular issue is to again,
Speaker 1: to go back every single day courts supposed to start
Speaker 1: at nine am. Usually they have them come in a
Speaker 1: little early to get some of the house keeping out
Speaker 1: of the way so they can stay on schedule. So
Speaker 1: as we sit here recording this, we are a couple
Speaker 1: of hours I mean, we're creeping up on lunchtime here shortly,
Speaker 1: and they have not started testimony in the courtroom. So
Speaker 1: from the reporters in the room they're telling us they
Speaker 1: came in, there's been at least two, do I have
Speaker 1: it right, closed door meetings with attorneys and the judge
Speaker 1: in his robing room chambers as we call it, But
Speaker 1: that's happened at least twice, and one of them went
Speaker 1: for a.
Speaker 3: Little bit correct And so some of the reporters in
Speaker 3: the room are describing Diddy as initially visibly upset, very animated,
Speaker 3: talking with his lawyers, passionately, they say, as his lawyers
Speaker 3: stood sober face and attentive. And then we just got
Speaker 3: another report saying that Diddy's lead attorney just made a
Speaker 3: Usain Bolt style arm gesture in the courtroom, and the
Speaker 3: defense attorneys are laughing and Combs cracked a smile.
Speaker 2: So we it's like they've gone.
Speaker 3: Through a gamut of emotions up and down, and no
Speaker 3: one really understands what the issue is.
Speaker 1: It seemed to be you said it a moment ago,
Speaker 1: different from the other issue we were expecting to hear
Speaker 1: from the juror. So this one seems to be directly
Speaker 1: related to Jane, who has been testifying. She's up what's
Speaker 1: sixth day now, this.
Speaker 2: Will be her sixth full day of testify, that full day.
Speaker 1: Of testifying, so we're waiting to get her back up
Speaker 1: on cross examination nation she was supposed to finish today.
Speaker 1: Now we're all getting an update from the courtroom right now,
Speaker 1: Folks will getting this in live time or real time
Speaker 1: as we're talking to you about it. But it appears
Speaker 1: that Jane is now returning to the stand a couple
Speaker 1: of hours behind schedule. We'll wait to see if we
Speaker 1: get any clarity on what that issue was. But the
Speaker 1: issue Robes we thought the judge needed to address was
Speaker 1: about the potential of kicking one of the jurors off
Speaker 1: this jury.
Speaker 3: That's correct, So we were expecting a ruling from the
Speaker 3: judge today.
Speaker 2: The prosecutors want.
Speaker 3: The government wants this juror to be removed in an
Speaker 3: alternate to take his place. The defense wants this juror
Speaker 3: to stay. And at issue is, again, this is vague,
Speaker 3: but we've been told that this juror has not been forthcoming,
Speaker 3: or at least that's what the prosecutors say, that he
Speaker 3: hasn't or wasn't forthcoming.
Speaker 1: Lack of candor.
Speaker 3: They lack of candor, And so Ditty's team called this
Speaker 3: investigation into the juror a thinly veiled effort to dismiss
Speaker 3: a black juror. Because this particular juror is a forty
Speaker 3: one year old man from the Bronx who works at
Speaker 3: a corrections facility and enjoys nineteen nineties hip hop. That's
Speaker 3: what we know of this juror.
Speaker 1: Okay, we don't want to stereotype him, but they for
Speaker 1: some reason think he might be a fan Diddy. They
Speaker 1: think maybe he was.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you could get that from.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a Again, we don't want to jump to
Speaker 1: any conclusions, but remember it was a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: Diddy was it moniged the judge for gesturing too much
Speaker 1: in the direction of a particular jury got on doom
Speaker 1: set out remove you from the courtroom if you do
Speaker 1: that again. And now there seems to be a debate, yes,
Speaker 1: about what to do with this jury. And that's the
Speaker 1: thing we thought we were going to get an update on.
Speaker 1: I thought it was about all this. I thought the
Speaker 1: back and forth was about that. Apparently it wasn't this morning.
Speaker 1: So two issues need to get worked out. But Jane
Speaker 1: has returned to this stand yes.
Speaker 3: And we understand from folks in the courtroom that Jane
Speaker 3: is expected to cover the allegation that she suffered multiple
Speaker 3: injuries in that big fight in the summer of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four where she after that fight, she says Colmbs
Speaker 3: did he told her to ice her bruises, put on
Speaker 3: lingerie and perform with the male escort. She's expected to
Speaker 3: be cross examined about that specific incident.
Speaker 2: And it was an emotional day for her yesterday.
Speaker 3: So she's been through the ringer seemingly, and there were
Speaker 3: questions as to whether or not she wanted to even
Speaker 3: testify again.
Speaker 2: It all today.
Speaker 1: You know what you make a I mean, just how
Speaker 1: gut wrenching some of this testimony is. Think of think, folks,
Speaker 1: what you've been doing for the past week. If every
Speaker 1: day for the past week you've had to sit in
Speaker 1: public in front of strangers and reveal the most intimate
Speaker 1: it may be embarrassing parts of humiliating.
Speaker 2: I would say, she's been.
Speaker 1: Sitting there doing that for the world to see for
Speaker 1: six days. Now, that has to take a hell of
Speaker 1: a toll. Of course, if she doesn't want to get
Speaker 1: back up there, I could imagine a lot of people
Speaker 1: would sympathize. But didn't you say she needs to be
Speaker 1: wrapped by today? What does this mean now with a
Speaker 1: two hour delay in testimony.
Speaker 3: They haven't reiterated or brought that back up again, But
Speaker 3: certainly that was a point last week that they made
Speaker 3: that she had somewhere she had to be internationally and she.
Speaker 2: Needed to leave this evening.
Speaker 3: So there certainly was an effort by the judge and
Speaker 3: by prosecutors to try and make sure her testimony was
Speaker 3: wrapped up by the end of court today.
Speaker 2: But this delay.
Speaker 3: Certainly is throwing a wrench into the system, I believe
Speaker 3: prosecutors so they also still have a few more people
Speaker 3: they'd like to call to the stand after Jane as well.
Speaker 2: They hope to wrap their case.
Speaker 3: They mentioned by next Wednesday or at least by next Friday.
Speaker 2: So that's a bit of the timeline.
Speaker 3: We don't know how much this delay is going to
Speaker 3: cause problems for Jane and for prosecutors, and the timeline altogether.
Speaker 1: It's every day, even when you think you know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen, because she's been up every day. So
Speaker 1: we've been talking. Okay, she's scheduled to be up at nine,
Speaker 1: she'll go through the day. We had it all worked out,
Speaker 1: and now a two hour delay for something that had
Speaker 1: to be significant. It had to be so important for
Speaker 1: these attorneys to be going back and forth to this degree.
Speaker 1: I cannot I am so anxious to hear what this
Speaker 1: potentially was about.
Speaker 2: And we don't even know if we will hear. That's
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 3: We aren't sure what will be revealed to the public,
Speaker 3: to members of the media who were there in the
Speaker 3: courtroom or not. We do know that, as I mentioned yesterday,
Speaker 3: Jane broke down crying multiple times on the stand, and
Speaker 3: specifically after reading a text message where she professed her
Speaker 3: love and she said that he didn't like being called
Speaker 3: her boyfriend. And so when she went through and as
Speaker 3: you pointed out, relived her feelings, and she says she
Speaker 3: still loves him. She said it several times throughout her testimony.
Speaker 3: I can only imagine that must have been gutting for
Speaker 3: her to have to say her own words of love
Speaker 3: and adoration for this man who now stands on trial
Speaker 3: for some of the most horrific things possible.
Speaker 1: And so why is that all important?
Speaker 3: Was?
Speaker 1: Yes, the defense is trying to show that this young
Speaker 1: lady was a willing participant. She was at times an
Speaker 1: enthusiastic participant. She was also a participant that had choice
Speaker 1: and made choices and what escorts they were going to
Speaker 1: use and where they were going to go. So this
Speaker 1: is not a woman the defense is trying to establish
Speaker 1: who was sex trafficked. She went willingly to these places,
Speaker 1: She benefited from this. They showed about gifts she got
Speaker 1: that she likes. She got jealous when another woman might
Speaker 1: have gotten something. So all of this is to tear
Speaker 1: away at this idea that sex trafficking. Was Jane sex
Speaker 1: trafficked if she willingly participated, where's that line right between
Speaker 1: coersion and consensual.
Speaker 3: Well, and we got so many more details yesterday during
Speaker 3: cross examination. We were reading them in real time and
Speaker 3: then just going over them. It's it's phenomenal. And again
Speaker 3: I keep saying mind blowing and jaw dropping that after
Speaker 3: six days on the stand, five full days of testimony,
Speaker 3: we already know of that each day there'd be new revelations.
Speaker 3: And among the details we heard from her yesterday, there
Speaker 3: was about a two month stretch that the defense was
Speaker 3: able to point out where Jane and Diddy just had
Speaker 3: a normal relationship, as much as that could be described
Speaker 3: as normal.
Speaker 2: There weren't any freak offs.
Speaker 1: An take out the freak offs, and it's a normal relationship,
Speaker 1: you know, like.
Speaker 3: The rest of us, normal problems, normal sex, Okay, all right,
Speaker 3: But they were trying to point out that it shows
Speaker 3: they did have a personal, genuine, one on one relationship
Speaker 3: outside of these accusations of coercion and abuse and sex trafficking.
Speaker 1: Can you be partially sex trafficked? Like could? For three
Speaker 1: months I was being sex trafficked, and then the following
Speaker 1: two months I wasn't, but I willingly went with the
Speaker 1: guy who sex trafficked me.
Speaker 3: That's obviously sowing massive seeds of doubt injurers' minds. I
Speaker 3: would think when they're able to point it out and
Speaker 3: have her confirm that she also talked about some of
Speaker 3: the things she did to prepare for the freakoffs, and
Speaker 3: that would, of course also point to her willingness to
Speaker 3: be involved, to prepare, to purchase, to arrange, and coordinate
Speaker 3: the freakoffs before they happen. That doesn't sound like someone
Speaker 3: who's co worst. She would buy matching shorts for Diddy
Speaker 3: and the male escorts he hired. Why did we need
Speaker 3: to know that?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure those brilliant defense attorneys think that detail
Speaker 1: is important for some reason. Again, it's an odd one.
Speaker 3: But did he wanted matching shorts with darts male?
Speaker 1: According to this witness's.
Speaker 3: Testimony, yes, Did they say what the matching shorts looked like?
Speaker 1: Well, they liked to role play with playing basketball players.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were uniforms. Just making that up.
Speaker 3: I have no idea that would be so disturbing Jersey
Speaker 3: long basketball shorts.
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't need that.
Speaker 1: Visual effect thing. You remember Kobean?
Speaker 2: How could I forget?
Speaker 3: He was Michael Jordan, Paul was Shack and Jane was Kobe. Right, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll never forget that actually, as much as I might
Speaker 3: want to. All Right.
Speaker 2: She also bought Rhino erection pills. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: that that was a thing.
Speaker 1: They said, you can get these just at the countertop
Speaker 1: at a like a truck stop type thing. Given all
Speaker 1: the drugs they talk about they had, I mean, that
Speaker 1: seemed like there was a better option for Diddy. He
Speaker 1: knew how to get some quality prescription stuff if he
Speaker 1: wanted to. That seemed rhino erection pills.
Speaker 3: But they said that, And this was again building the
Speaker 3: case that she participated willingly, that she actually purchased these
Speaker 3: rhino erection pills so that she wouldn't have to spend
Speaker 3: as much time getting the guys aroused and perhaps even
Speaker 3: saying aroused it mate, it meant less work for her
Speaker 3: and the pill could do the bidding instead of her.
Speaker 1: But to your point, she did that on her own,
Speaker 1: for herself, for her own benefit. Again, it's why we
Speaker 1: need to hear about that, because it's making the point
Speaker 1: and showing that she was a willing, a conscious, consensual
Speaker 1: participant in some of these things.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then also we learned that did he spent fifteen
Speaker 3: thousand dollars to throw Jane a birthday party that he
Speaker 3: didn't even attend, but just some of the gifts some
Speaker 3: of the money that he gave to her just because
Speaker 3: not because of a freak off, not because of what
Speaker 3: she was supposed to do, but apparently because he was
Speaker 3: being a nice boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Again, they keep showing how the nice moments and the
Speaker 1: nice things he did for her along the way, the
Speaker 1: tender moments. Look, I don't think anybody after seeing some
Speaker 1: of this stuff jumps to the conclusion, Oh, he really
Speaker 1: is a nice guy. They're not saying that, but they're
Speaker 1: just trying to sew a little doubt in somebody's head
Speaker 1: on that jury. And apparently the prosecution might think it's
Speaker 1: working that he's getting through to some jur that maybe
Speaker 1: they can tell in some why is a jury? I've
Speaker 1: only seen this in movies for the most part, right
Speaker 1: where the defendant kind of flirts with some jur a
Speaker 1: little bit or something like that.
Speaker 2: That just does wouldn't think anybody would dare do that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen in real life. It just does not happen.
Speaker 1: We've covered trials for decades, never seen anything like this once.
Speaker 1: So something might must be working in the defense line
Speaker 1: of questioning of these women. You're just so a little
Speaker 1: doubt and I show a different size.
Speaker 3: I know, and I'm amazed that Diddy is, and this
Speaker 3: is his defense team leading her into these details that
Speaker 3: I would imagine he would think are humiliating, and he
Speaker 3: wouldn't want people to know. His mom's in the room,
Speaker 3: his children are in the room, the world is watching,
Speaker 3: and yet his life is on the line. So I'm
Speaker 3: assuming he's saying, hey, I'll get humiliated, I'll get embarrassed. Fine,
Speaker 3: people will know all of these bizarre and sortid details
Speaker 3: about what I like. And even if that means I
Speaker 3: like men, it's better than being in prison for the
Speaker 3: rest of his life. That is what the stakes are
Speaker 3: at this point. So I mentioned when Jane broke down
Speaker 3: and was crying this text of love that she had
Speaker 3: written to Ditty, But man, I think we should read
Speaker 3: the actual text because it's powerful. Again, I'm imagining being
Speaker 3: a juror and hearing all I've heard and then hearing
Speaker 3: this text that she wrote, Ditty. The fact that you
Speaker 3: are the reason for my child's joy is a feeling
Speaker 3: inside me. I can't explain I love you so much
Speaker 3: as my friend, my lover, my boyfriend, even though you
Speaker 3: don't like that word.
Speaker 2: That's powerful.
Speaker 1: I meanfore the jury, Is it not. Yes, it sounds
Speaker 1: like a woman in love. That sounds like a woman
Speaker 1: who understands what she's getting from the relationship and appreciates
Speaker 1: what she's getting from the relationship. Look, you say all
Speaker 1: the time about the notes that sometimes saw the text
Speaker 1: messages that some of the alleged victims wrote in real
Speaker 1: time three four, five, eight years ago, said those are
Speaker 1: a good indication of where their heads were at the time.
Speaker 1: Is this yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean, she texted him, you are truly a blessing
Speaker 3: in my life. I have never had a man take
Speaker 3: care of me like you do. It's hard to argue
Speaker 3: against her own words. She also told Diddy she was
Speaker 3: having so much fun and would never take this for
Speaker 3: granted and will always make sure you are taken care of. Again,
Speaker 3: that is tough. That is really tough to have those
Speaker 3: texts be read and heard and understood and verified by
Speaker 3: her and then believe that she was also coerced and
Speaker 3: forced to do things against her will.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, and when they do a redirect
Speaker 1: later on today, we'll come back and we'll sit down
Speaker 1: and say, Wow, prosecution made a really good point on
Speaker 1: that one, didn't they right? This is what they're supposed
Speaker 1: to do. Make you feel it's supposed to be a
Speaker 1: back and forth you're supposed to That means they're doing
Speaker 1: a good job of putting on their cases if this
Speaker 1: is happening. But she is again supposed to be done today.
Speaker 1: She is supposed to be done on the stand today,
Speaker 1: and she will have testified more than twenty plus hours.
Speaker 1: She's already done that at this point. So this might
Speaker 1: be the last day, the last time we hear from
Speaker 1: this young lady. And it has robed. It has been fascinating,
Speaker 1: gut wrenching as always, and it continues to be draw.
Speaker 3: Dropping, it does, and that juror does appear to continue
Speaker 3: to be among the jury, and so we still have
Speaker 3: not heard word as to whether or not he will
Speaker 3: be removed again. There are alternates there waiting and ready
Speaker 3: to step in in case that decision is made.
Speaker 2: And perhaps the judge is still weighing, and maybe he just.
Speaker 3: Took in or listened to the prosecution's desires and is
Speaker 3: still weighing whether or not he should allow that juror
Speaker 3: to continue. But certainly that drama has not been revealed
Speaker 3: yet in the courtroom, and we know that Jane will
Speaker 3: be on the stand for at least part of the afternoon.
Speaker 2: When did they break for lunch around like.
Speaker 1: Oh, they usually have been doing it right around lunchtime.
Speaker 1: He's kept the pretty well for one, yeah, and then
Speaker 1: they come back and they're out of there by three.
Speaker 1: That's what the day has been. Very few do not
Speaker 1: delay like the one we have seen today. Nothing to
Speaker 1: that significance. He's gone a little later on some days
Speaker 1: as well. I think he was trying to accommodate some
Speaker 1: witnesses on those days. But this is it's so much
Speaker 1: is at stake for them to take this much time
Speaker 1: on what seemingly was a minor matter, if you will,
Speaker 1: But it is monumental possibly, and I mean it is
Speaker 1: case shifting potentially when a man's like life is at stake.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they gotta get it right.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Well, we will continue to update you on everything that's
Speaker 3: happening at that Lower Manhattan courtroom just a few blocks
Speaker 3: from where we're sitting right now recording this, and we
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