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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks. It is Thursday, June and twelfth day

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Speaker 1: twenty two officially in the fifth week of the Didy trial.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Any and TJ. We continue

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Speaker 1: to be your one stop shop for all things did

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Speaker 1: He trial to get you caught up on the latest,

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Speaker 1: and we are recording this robes on this day twenty

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Speaker 1: two and as of this recording, testimony hasn't started yet,

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Speaker 1: and it was supposed to start a couple of hours ago.

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Speaker 1: We need to start with whatever this is going on

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Speaker 1: in court this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for everyone to know.

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Speaker 3: The judge called back the attorneys for both sides into

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Speaker 3: his chambers and there's been a lot of back and forth.

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Speaker 3: The courtroom's buzzing, and the reporters who are inside that

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Speaker 3: Lower Manhattan courtrooms say, no one knows what's going on.

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Speaker 3: They're trying to read Ditty's facial expressions, his lawyer's facial expressions.

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Speaker 3: But there's some issue that has not been resolved yet,

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Speaker 3: and it appears to be something different than whether or

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Speaker 3: not this juror that we've talked about is going to

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Speaker 3: be allowed to continue in this trial.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it hasn't been resolved. It hasn't been made

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Speaker 1: clear at all exactly what this particular issue is to again,

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Speaker 1: to go back every single day courts supposed to start

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Speaker 1: at nine am. Usually they have them come in a

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Speaker 1: little early to get some of the house keeping out

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Speaker 1: of the way so they can stay on schedule. So

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Speaker 1: as we sit here recording this, we are a couple

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Speaker 1: of hours I mean, we're creeping up on lunchtime here shortly,

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Speaker 1: and they have not started testimony in the courtroom. So

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Speaker 1: from the reporters in the room they're telling us they

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Speaker 1: came in, there's been at least two, do I have

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Speaker 1: it right, closed door meetings with attorneys and the judge

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Speaker 1: in his robing room chambers as we call it, But

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Speaker 1: that's happened at least twice, and one of them went

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Speaker 1: for a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit correct And so some of the reporters in

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Speaker 3: the room are describing Diddy as initially visibly upset, very animated,

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Speaker 3: talking with his lawyers, passionately, they say, as his lawyers

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Speaker 3: stood sober face and attentive. And then we just got

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Speaker 3: another report saying that Diddy's lead attorney just made a

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Speaker 3: Usain Bolt style arm gesture in the courtroom, and the

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Speaker 3: defense attorneys are laughing and Combs cracked a smile.

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Speaker 2: So we it's like they've gone.

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Speaker 3: Through a gamut of emotions up and down, and no

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Speaker 3: one really understands what the issue is.

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Speaker 1: It seemed to be you said it a moment ago,

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Speaker 1: different from the other issue we were expecting to hear

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Speaker 1: from the juror. So this one seems to be directly

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Speaker 1: related to Jane, who has been testifying. She's up what's

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Speaker 1: sixth day now, this.

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Speaker 2: Will be her sixth full day of testify, that full day.

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Speaker 1: Of testifying, so we're waiting to get her back up

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Speaker 1: on cross examination nation she was supposed to finish today.

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Speaker 1: Now we're all getting an update from the courtroom right now,

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Speaker 1: Folks will getting this in live time or real time

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Speaker 1: as we're talking to you about it. But it appears

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Speaker 1: that Jane is now returning to the stand a couple

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Speaker 1: get any clarity on what that issue was. But the

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Speaker 1: issue Robes we thought the judge needed to address was

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Speaker 1: about the potential of kicking one of the jurors off

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Speaker 1: this jury.

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Speaker 3: That's correct, So we were expecting a ruling from the

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Speaker 2: The prosecutors want.

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Speaker 3: The government wants this juror to be removed in an

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Speaker 3: alternate to take his place. The defense wants this juror

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Speaker 3: to stay. And at issue is, again, this is vague,

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Speaker 3: but we've been told that this juror has not been forthcoming,

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Speaker 3: or at least that's what the prosecutors say, that he

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Speaker 1: Lack of candor.

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Speaker 3: They lack of candor, And so Ditty's team called this

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Speaker 3: investigation into the juror a thinly veiled effort to dismiss

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Speaker 3: a black juror. Because this particular juror is a forty

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Speaker 3: one year old man from the Bronx who works at

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Speaker 3: a corrections facility and enjoys nineteen nineties hip hop. That's

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Speaker 3: what we know of this juror.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we don't want to stereotype him, but they for

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Speaker 1: some reason think he might be a fan Diddy. They

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Speaker 2: I don't know where you could get that from.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a Again, we don't want to jump to

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Speaker 1: any conclusions, but remember it was a few weeks ago

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Speaker 1: Diddy was it moniged the judge for gesturing too much

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Speaker 1: set out remove you from the courtroom if you do

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Speaker 1: that again. And now there seems to be a debate, yes,

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Speaker 1: thing we thought we were going to get an update on.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was about all this. I thought the

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Speaker 1: So two issues need to get worked out. But Jane

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Speaker 1: has returned to this stand yes.

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Speaker 3: And we understand from folks in the courtroom that Jane

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Speaker 3: is expected to cover the allegation that she suffered multiple

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Speaker 3: injuries in that big fight in the summer of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four where she after that fight, she says Colmbs

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Speaker 3: did he told her to ice her bruises, put on

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Speaker 3: lingerie and perform with the male escort. She's expected to

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Speaker 3: be cross examined about that specific incident.

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Speaker 2: And it was an emotional day for her yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So she's been through the ringer seemingly, and there were

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Speaker 3: questions as to whether or not she wanted to even

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Speaker 2: It all today.

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Speaker 1: You know what you make a I mean, just how

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Speaker 1: gut wrenching some of this testimony is. Think of think, folks,

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Speaker 1: what you've been doing for the past week. If every

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Speaker 1: day for the past week you've had to sit in

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Speaker 1: public in front of strangers and reveal the most intimate

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Speaker 1: it may be embarrassing parts of humiliating.

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Speaker 2: I would say, she's been.

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Speaker 1: Sitting there doing that for the world to see for

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Speaker 1: six days. Now, that has to take a hell of

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Speaker 1: a toll. Of course, if she doesn't want to get

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Speaker 1: back up there, I could imagine a lot of people

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Speaker 1: would sympathize. But didn't you say she needs to be

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Speaker 1: wrapped by today? What does this mean now with a

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Speaker 1: two hour delay in testimony.

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Speaker 3: They haven't reiterated or brought that back up again, But

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Speaker 3: certainly that was a point last week that they made

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Speaker 3: that she had somewhere she had to be internationally and she.

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Speaker 2: Needed to leave this evening.

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Speaker 3: So there certainly was an effort by the judge and

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Speaker 3: by prosecutors to try and make sure her testimony was

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Speaker 2: But this delay.

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Speaker 3: Certainly is throwing a wrench into the system, I believe

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Speaker 3: prosecutors so they also still have a few more people

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Speaker 3: they'd like to call to the stand after Jane as well.

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Speaker 2: They hope to wrap their case.

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Speaker 3: They mentioned by next Wednesday or at least by next Friday.

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Speaker 2: So that's a bit of the timeline.

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Speaker 3: We don't know how much this delay is going to

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Speaker 3: cause problems for Jane and for prosecutors, and the timeline altogether.

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Speaker 1: It's every day, even when you think you know what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen, because she's been up every day. So

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Speaker 1: we've been talking. Okay, she's scheduled to be up at nine,

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Speaker 1: she'll go through the day. We had it all worked out,

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Speaker 1: and now a two hour delay for something that had

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Speaker 1: to be significant. It had to be so important for

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Speaker 1: these attorneys to be going back and forth to this degree.

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Speaker 1: I cannot I am so anxious to hear what this

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Speaker 2: And we don't even know if we will hear. That's

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Speaker 2: the thing.

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Speaker 3: We aren't sure what will be revealed to the public,

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Speaker 3: courtroom or not. We do know that, as I mentioned yesterday,

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Speaker 3: Jane broke down crying multiple times on the stand, and

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Speaker 3: specifically after reading a text message where she professed her

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Speaker 3: her boyfriend. And so when she went through and as

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Speaker 3: you pointed out, relived her feelings, and she says she

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Speaker 3: still loves him. She said it several times throughout her testimony.

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine that must have been gutting for

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Speaker 3: her to have to say her own words of love

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Speaker 3: for some of the most horrific things possible.

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Speaker 1: And so why is that all important?

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Speaker 3: Was?

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Speaker 1: Yes, the defense is trying to show that this young

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Speaker 1: lady was a willing participant. She was at times an

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Speaker 1: enthusiastic participant. She was also a participant that had choice

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Speaker 1: who was sex trafficked. She went willingly to these places,

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Speaker 1: She benefited from this. They showed about gifts she got

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Speaker 1: that she likes. She got jealous when another woman might

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Speaker 1: have gotten something. So all of this is to tear

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Speaker 1: away at this idea that sex trafficking. Was Jane sex

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Speaker 1: trafficked if she willingly participated, where's that line right between

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Speaker 1: coersion and consensual.

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Speaker 3: Well, and we got so many more details yesterday during

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Speaker 3: then just going over them. It's it's phenomenal. And again

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Speaker 3: I keep saying mind blowing and jaw dropping that after

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Speaker 3: we already know of that each day there'd be new revelations.

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Speaker 3: And among the details we heard from her yesterday, there

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Speaker 3: was about a two month stretch that the defense was

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Speaker 3: able to point out where Jane and Diddy just had

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Speaker 3: a normal relationship, as much as that could be described

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Speaker 2: There weren't any freak offs.

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Speaker 1: An take out the freak offs, and it's a normal relationship,

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Speaker 3: The rest of us, normal problems, normal sex, Okay, all right,

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Speaker 3: But they were trying to point out that it shows

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Speaker 3: they did have a personal, genuine, one on one relationship

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Speaker 3: outside of these accusations of coercion and abuse and sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: Can you be partially sex trafficked? Like could? For three

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Speaker 1: months I was being sex trafficked, and then the following

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Speaker 1: two months I wasn't, but I willingly went with the

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Speaker 3: That's obviously sowing massive seeds of doubt injurers' minds. I

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Speaker 3: would think when they're able to point it out and

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Speaker 3: have her confirm that she also talked about some of

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Speaker 3: the things she did to prepare for the freakoffs, and

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Speaker 3: that would, of course also point to her willingness to

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Speaker 3: be involved, to prepare, to purchase, to arrange, and coordinate

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Speaker 3: the freakoffs before they happen. That doesn't sound like someone

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Speaker 3: who's co worst. She would buy matching shorts for Diddy

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Speaker 3: and the male escorts he hired. Why did we need

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Speaker 3: to know that?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure those brilliant defense attorneys think that detail

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Speaker 1: is important for some reason. Again, it's an odd one.

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Speaker 3: But did he wanted matching shorts with darts male?

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Speaker 1: According to this witness's.

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Speaker 3: Testimony, yes, Did they say what the matching shorts looked like?

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Speaker 1: Well, they liked to role play with playing basketball players.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they were uniforms. Just making that up.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea that would be so disturbing Jersey

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Speaker 3: long basketball shorts.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't need that.

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Speaker 1: Visual effect thing. You remember Kobean?

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Speaker 2: How could I forget?

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Speaker 3: He was Michael Jordan, Paul was Shack and Jane was Kobe. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget that actually, as much as I might

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Speaker 3: want to. All Right.

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Speaker 2: She also bought Rhino erection pills. I didn't even know

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Speaker 1: They said, you can get these just at the countertop

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Speaker 3: But they said that, And this was again building the

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Speaker 1: But to your point, she did that on her own,

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And then also we learned that did he spent fifteen

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Speaker 1: Again, they keep showing how the nice moments and the

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Speaker 2: That just does wouldn't think anybody would dare do that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen in real life. It just does not happen.

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Speaker 3: I know, and I'm amazed that Diddy is, and this

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Speaker 3: assuming he's saying, hey, I'll get humiliated, I'll get embarrassed. Fine,

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Speaker 2: That's powerful.

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Speaker 1: I meanfore the jury, Is it not. Yes, it sounds

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Speaker 3: I mean, she texted him, you are truly a blessing

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Speaker 3: Dropping, it does, and that juror does appear to continue

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Speaker 2: When did they break for lunch around like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they usually have been doing it right around lunchtime.

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