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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about defense today. Last week we
Speaker 1: started talking about changes on this team, we specifically talked
Speaker 1: about the offense. Today we talk about the defense, where
Speaker 1: there were quite a few more changes I think then
Speaker 1: then on the offense, but a similar story overall, not
Speaker 1: a lot of positions to be had, not a lot
Speaker 1: of opportunity for new guys coming in. I guess let's
Speaker 1: start first with just kind of talking about overall, what
Speaker 1: were your thoughts of this defense coming out of last year?
Speaker 1: They played far better than they were expected to play.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts going into the offseason next to
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys really need? To do with this unit. Well,
Speaker 1: I think they were pretty good and then until they weren't.
Speaker 1: I mean in the Rams game. It's really hard. It's
Speaker 1: way to put it. The Rams game just kind of
Speaker 1: messes up everything because it's the last game of the
Speaker 1: year and you're like, well, you know, they couldn't run
Speaker 1: the ball and they couldn't stop the run. Those are
Speaker 1: the two things that you're supposed to do in any
Speaker 1: level of football, and so it's hard to think about
Speaker 1: how the season was successful, which it was, but those
Speaker 1: are the two things that kind of carry over this
Speaker 1: team and the cloud that hangs over them. So defensively,
Speaker 1: you think defensive tackle, they got to get better there.
Speaker 1: They can't get you know, pushed off the ball, and
Speaker 1: you know they gotta get they gotta get more takeaways.
Speaker 1: I mean, as good as Byron Jones was, they've got
Speaker 1: to get more takeaways and get some interceptions and plays
Speaker 1: like that. So pretty good, but it wasn't good enough
Speaker 1: at the end. Everything you just said's right, But I
Speaker 1: try not to overreact to the last game of the year,
Speaker 1: and you know, you gotta look at the whole picture.
Speaker 1: My main thing was like, all right, that was awesome.
Speaker 1: Signed tank and maintain that momentum and not turn this
Speaker 1: into like a Dez Bryant situation, which they didn't. And
Speaker 1: you know which, DeMarcus isn't going through the off season program.
Speaker 1: You needed surgery. I'm curious to see how he comes
Speaker 1: back from that, what his training camp looks like, and
Speaker 1: how quickly he can be ready. But my big thing
Speaker 1: was they're gonna let this fall apart after all the
Speaker 1: good work they did, and I don't think they did,
Speaker 1: so it gives me a pretty favorable impression to this point. Yes,
Speaker 1: well yeah, I didn't know if she was going to
Speaker 1: make a point there too. But but I'm gonna argue
Speaker 1: with you a little bit on that because I understand, like, well,
Speaker 1: you don't want to look at the last game and
Speaker 1: all that, but this team hasn't taken that next level.
Speaker 1: They haven't taken that step, and at some point you've
Speaker 1: got to do that, Like you you can't just just
Speaker 1: keep well, this is a good year divisional around and
Speaker 1: lost again. I mean like you've got to do something there.
Speaker 1: So yes, it was good until they got a team
Speaker 1: that was just better than them and and they I
Speaker 1: mean again, and step number one to that was making
Speaker 1: like again getting to Marcus Arms back fold all of
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, like, you're right, they did,
Speaker 1: they did need to improve it, but you have to
Speaker 1: keep what you had in tact before you can build
Speaker 1: on it, right, I mean, And I was convinced that
Speaker 1: the law was going to be Like I was convinced
Speaker 1: we would be sitting here in June, it's the second
Speaker 1: day of mini camp, and we would be writing about
Speaker 1: whether or not he was here. That's what I was
Speaker 1: thinking in February. So that's a big first step. They
Speaker 1: trade for Robert Quinn, even with Randy Gregory suspended, I
Speaker 1: feel like they made a significant addition that makes their
Speaker 1: defense better. And then what they spend their first pick
Speaker 1: in the draft on. You know, as much as we
Speaker 1: might have wanted a safety, they clearly agree with you
Speaker 1: because they're like, we need to beef up this d line.
Speaker 1: We need a defensive tackle who can pressure the quarterback
Speaker 1: and also preferably defend the run better, free up late
Speaker 1: and Vandrueshi and Jalen Smith to make plays. And they
Speaker 1: did that by drafting Tristan hill Um. So yeah, and
Speaker 1: hopefully that does help just safety, because when you start
Speaker 1: pressuring in the quarterback. Hopefully that would allow for more
Speaker 1: opportunities for them to take away the band. Yesterday, we're
Speaker 1: looking at OTAs at the very end of practice and
Speaker 1: this was a Cooper rush pass and it wasn't one
Speaker 1: of his better days at all yesterday. But that White,
Speaker 1: Mike White, Hey, he threw a Yeah, he wasn't. He
Speaker 1: only threw one three. But the last pick was the
Speaker 1: one that Donovan Wilson covered a lot of ground, runs
Speaker 1: over there, makes a nice play, and it's like this,
Speaker 1: this guy's it's gonna be hard for me to think
Speaker 1: that he doesn't work his way into this this mix.
Speaker 1: Just just looking at him, just the plays he made
Speaker 1: in college, big time hitter. I just I feel like
Speaker 1: he's kind of your next Gave Frasier type guy comes
Speaker 1: right in. I want to get to some of those details,
Speaker 1: but I want to take you back for second. Nick,
Speaker 1: you talked about that final game of the season, Dave,
Speaker 1: you said you don't want to overreact that. How much
Speaker 1: does the Colts game factor into that? Because really, when
Speaker 1: I look at it, you look at really that would
Speaker 1: be the last four or five weeks of the season.
Speaker 1: You had two games where this defense got completely overpowered,
Speaker 1: and that was what to me was more of a
Speaker 1: more of a signal that something was maybe not like,
Speaker 1: maybe there was something that was being figured out about
Speaker 1: this defense far more than just the final game. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts there? That was the game where they
Speaker 1: walked out with like, oh no, that was at home.
Speaker 1: Marlon Mack just bullied them and Andrew Luck didn't even
Speaker 1: need to do anything. Yeah, and the Cowboys offense didn't
Speaker 1: score point. That was That was the game they got dominated.
Speaker 1: That was the first time all season they got dominated.
Speaker 1: I think they had. They walked out with the hard
Speaker 1: hats on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good timing, which actually
Speaker 1: could time. That's a that's a great place to start.
Speaker 1: And I mean, you don't want to overact overreact to
Speaker 1: the Rams game, but you still have to take it
Speaker 1: into account. Obsolete. Give up two hundred rushing yards in
Speaker 1: the NFL, that's that's eyebrow raising in the playoffs, especial playoffs.
Speaker 1: Um so back up, running back, most of that are good.
Speaker 1: Part of that. To see that play again, that last
Speaker 1: play they just showed, Sorry about that. The last play
Speaker 1: they just showed Daniel Ross just gets not to the ground,
Speaker 1: like really, for no reason that's like, Okay, we gotta
Speaker 1: get better. There are defensive tackle rotations, gotta get better.
Speaker 1: He had a nice I mean, he was surprisingly good
Speaker 1: at times. But yes, and I think I think that's, uh,
Speaker 1: that's a great way to put it in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is surprisingly good the Cowboys have. They drafted, identified developed,
Speaker 1: and retained their best pass rusher since to Marcus Ware.
Speaker 1: He to Marcus Lawrence is awesome. If you listen to
Speaker 1: this show ever, you know how I feel about him.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys pass rush slash slash defensive
Speaker 1: line as a whole is there. It's probably as good
Speaker 1: as it's been since where No, it's definitely as good
Speaker 1: as it's been since Ware retired. But it's not. It's
Speaker 1: not this elite unit that calls to mind the twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen Broncos or even you know, the Philly lines from
Speaker 1: a few years ago, you know, when Cox was even
Speaker 1: younger and Benny Logan was still really good, Vinny Curry.
Speaker 1: They just like waves on waves of good guys. Like
Speaker 1: It's not that the defensive tackle position needs to be upgraded,
Speaker 1: even with Tristan Hill here, I'm not convinced it's elite.
Speaker 1: I thought it was great that they brought in Robert Quinn.
Speaker 1: Be even better if Randy Gregory could work his way
Speaker 1: back from this suspension. But that's where it starts for me,
Speaker 1: the defensive line as a whole. So that was actually upgrading.
Speaker 1: That was a question I was going to ask, and
Speaker 1: maybe it changed your answer changes a little bit when
Speaker 1: I when I make asked this question. But so between
Speaker 1: going out of the season, when the season was done,
Speaker 1: you get to February, what did you think was the
Speaker 1: position of greatest need on the Dallas defense? Safety is
Speaker 1: one that had a lot of people threw out obviously,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Where do you think that that Going into
Speaker 1: the offseason, this team felt like they had to be
Speaker 1: most active in trying to upgrade. I think they answered
Speaker 1: the question themselves. I mean they felt like it was
Speaker 1: a defense of tackle, uh not not safety. And they
Speaker 1: showed that because they got one of each Covington and Alca,
Speaker 1: two guys that they're like, you know, hopefully they'll fit
Speaker 1: in here. But they didn't break the bank on either
Speaker 1: one of them. And then when it came down to
Speaker 1: it to get Thornhill was sitting there and they took
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill I mean, I think they just kind of
Speaker 1: showed to answer your question where did they thought? But
Speaker 1: was that more about the player or was that more
Speaker 1: about the position of need? Position? I think okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it was position. I do. And
Speaker 1: from what you know we've heard is um Christopher Shard,
Speaker 1: you know kind of any he kind of I think
Speaker 1: it's position because he talked about the position of what
Speaker 1: they have and said, hey, sound like you know Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be good. I think I'm excited about him.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone was saying the same about
Speaker 1: the defensive tackles in there, you know, to that level.
Speaker 1: So and and that speaks volumes for a coach, because
Speaker 1: coaches are greedy. They want their players. They want to
Speaker 1: look they want to look good, so they'll get good players.
Speaker 1: And he was like, listen, this will be a better
Speaker 1: move for us. And so I thought that was that
Speaker 1: that just kind of showed the position of need was
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Do you think it would have been the
Speaker 1: same if the safety that they were looking at was
Speaker 1: a better replacement for Jeff Heath So if Abrams, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a tricky question because when you're drafting fifty eight,
Speaker 1: it's much less likely you're gonna get in him. I mean,
Speaker 1: you want you want guys who can start with your
Speaker 1: first three picks. I always say, but when you drop
Speaker 1: down a fifty eight, as opposed to let's say, you know,
Speaker 1: if they had picked twenty seven, I think that's where
Speaker 1: Abram was picked. The Raiders used our Cowboys pick on him.
Speaker 1: It's less likely you're going to get a guy that
Speaker 1: is ready to beat out of what three year incumbent starter.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean if somehow if Jonathan Abram is there, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think maybe that changes their tune. But I think
Speaker 1: that you can say that about seven or eight other positions,
Speaker 1: you know. I think you can say that about an
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, a tight end, a wide receiver. You know
Speaker 1: that they have graded high that falls down there as well.
Speaker 1: So to me, it's always, you know, best player available,
Speaker 1: and if it's close, then it goes the best available need.
Speaker 1: And I think that I think they showed that tackle
Speaker 1: was a bigger need there. As Amber said, you get
Speaker 1: a good tackle, your your safeties will look better. Well,
Speaker 1: And I might sound stupid saying this, but I don't care.
Speaker 1: This is just my perspective on things to me, when
Speaker 1: you start talking about overall versus specific games like the
Speaker 1: Rams game the Colt game, I personally I'm satisfied with
Speaker 1: what the defense did last year. Obviously not in those games,
Speaker 1: but those are the games where you need the offense
Speaker 1: to play their part and pick it up, do what
Speaker 1: you need to do. And there were instances games where
Speaker 1: the defense was doing all they could and then the
Speaker 1: offense get to the ball and they don't really produce anything.
Speaker 1: And to me, that obviously plays into the role of
Speaker 1: how tied your defense gets and how they're gonna keep
Speaker 1: performing throughout the game. But when you have a bad day,
Speaker 1: that's when you need your teammates from the other side
Speaker 1: to be able to contribute and step in, and they,
Speaker 1: from what I remember, weren't able to do that. I
Speaker 1: think that's probably accurately in the Colts game. I think
Speaker 1: I have a little different opinion in the Rams game
Speaker 1: because I felt like the offense kind of got it going.
Speaker 1: It reminded me a lot of that again that playoff
Speaker 1: game against Green Bay. Yeah, they started offense started slow,
Speaker 1: but they kind of got themselves back into position to
Speaker 1: be in that game a little bit. And you know,
Speaker 1: the fateful moment was that, you know that that conversion.
Speaker 1: I think they're showing the play right now where where
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath was basically out of position and they were
Speaker 1: able to convert and game over right, And if they
Speaker 1: get the ball back right there, the offense has an
Speaker 1: opportunity to then be able to make a play or
Speaker 1: make a few plays, and they're they're right there in
Speaker 1: the game right. So I just think that I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would say the offense was completely inept
Speaker 1: in that game like they were in the Colts game
Speaker 1: and the offense was horrible. No, it was their worst
Speaker 1: game of the year, I agree, But the thing about
Speaker 1: it is they only ran for forty seven yards in
Speaker 1: that Rams game, and that middle stretch that had nice
Speaker 1: drive early, they had nice you know, scramble drive late there.
Speaker 1: But in between, there wasn't a whole lot going on.
Speaker 1: It picks up towards the end somehow, when Dak or
Speaker 1: the offense is starting to feel that pressure. It's like
Speaker 1: the light bulb comes on and all that sudden they're
Speaker 1: playing great, but then there's just not enough time on
Speaker 1: the clock to do anything to make it happen. Was
Speaker 1: it me? Xavier Woods looked like he had three really
Speaker 1: bad plays in that I mean, like he didn't have
Speaker 1: I don't look at Xavier Woods just having a bad
Speaker 1: season or anything like that, but just some of those
Speaker 1: plays right there. That wasn't his best game. We've said
Speaker 1: Laton too, all of them. Yeah, I don't think that
Speaker 1: had a good game. Yeah, in that game, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was bad. It was a bad performance all the way.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know they deserve all yeah, good yeah,
Speaker 1: Sue and even no, actually Donald didn't have a good game.
Speaker 1: Just wait, they had you know, they had amazing seasons
Speaker 1: and they deserved all credit in the world. Uh Leyton
Speaker 1: and Jalen were both bad in that game. Everybody was. Um.
Speaker 1: The best thing that came out of that game, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean is the fact that two of your two
Speaker 1: rookies stepped up and really did you know, some some
Speaker 1: great things in that game. Number one, Michael Gallup had
Speaker 1: a couple of nice plays there. You kind of see that,
Speaker 1: you know, he I think he led the team in
Speaker 1: receiving yards. But more importantly, Connor Williams said, all right,
Speaker 1: you know, you got the best in the world right here,
Speaker 1: and we're not giving you a ton of help. And
Speaker 1: he played really really well, and not because he's a rookie.
Speaker 1: He just played well against the best defensive player in
Speaker 1: all of football. Um, Aaron Donald, I mean it wasn't
Speaker 1: like well for I think there was one play maybe
Speaker 1: he got called for holding, but he won that that battle.
Speaker 1: He had like one tackle in one hurry like he
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Sue had the better game handled Zue Martin. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was a little bit concerning there, but but I mean,
Speaker 1: here's your rookie that is he big enough? Can he
Speaker 1: make this transition? And with all the world watching, he
Speaker 1: did a really nice job. So so that was a
Speaker 1: good move for him. Do you think, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to go too far down this hole, but do
Speaker 1: you think that having a defense that played so well
Speaker 1: throughout most of the season be so thoroughly dominated in
Speaker 1: that game? Do you give any any part of that
Speaker 1: to maybe coaching more so than the players. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I say that is because you're facing a
Speaker 1: guy that is notoriously known as a great offensive mind.
Speaker 1: And was he just better to out was he better
Speaker 1: at out scheming coming up with better opportunities to take
Speaker 1: advantage of this defense than what the defense could counter
Speaker 1: with whatever coaching decisions they were. I mean, he kept
Speaker 1: his job, you know, their offensive coordinator, So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean definitely was. I mean, you can't say that about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys guy. He didn't keep his job. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think coaching plays a part of it if it. If
Speaker 1: they didn't, then they wouldn't have made that I was
Speaker 1: talking about the flip side. I was talking more a
Speaker 1: a Cowboys defense and the Rams offense. Okay, I thought
Speaker 1: you're talking about the offensive coase we're talking, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about the defense again and again. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out, is that is what we saw in that
Speaker 1: game in the Colts game and aberration or is it
Speaker 1: really and and if and if you would put it
Speaker 1: more on coaching, then maybe it was. Maybe it's something
Speaker 1: that hey, they just that was just one of those games.
Speaker 1: They just got out schemed. And it happens. That happens,
Speaker 1: and it happens to be because when you think about it,
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly their talent level didn't go down. They're
Speaker 1: they're good players. So maybe that's where you stand from
Speaker 1: coaching and what they were doing and they weren't able
Speaker 1: to match up what the Rams were doing there offensively
Speaker 1: that's I mean, it's a and then we gave the
Speaker 1: Rams so much credit all last year for keeping it
Speaker 1: simple but unpredictable, and yeah, I mean there's definitely an
Speaker 1: element of that, but again, like I think you're kind
Speaker 1: of falling into that trap of overreacting. Basically, it was
Speaker 1: the last game we saw and for the third time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were terrible, but I mean Sean Payton's pretty awesome
Speaker 1: coach too. Thirteen points, and it's like, I look at
Speaker 1: the whole body of work like they had. They probably had.
Speaker 1: They had like four really incredible games and three kind
Speaker 1: of lousy ones and then the rest it was somewhere
Speaker 1: in between. And that's that's about right. That it comes
Speaker 1: down to the defensive tackle position, because and those games
Speaker 1: they were they were blown off the ball running. We
Speaker 1: know that their their secondary is pretty good, their linebackers
Speaker 1: are good, but it was just too easy for the
Speaker 1: Colts and the Rams to run the ball, and that's
Speaker 1: what opens up everything, and that's what's going to be
Speaker 1: harder for to get your offense and rhythm and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So the Colts was just the
Speaker 1: worst game we've seen on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: But sorry, go ahead, but I don't. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: This is bad, which well to go to go back
Speaker 1: a minute, and yeah, I mean the Cowboys clearly they
Speaker 1: set the agenda like defensive tackle, and it's hard. It's
Speaker 1: hard to argue with the performance we saw in both
Speaker 1: of those games, just giving up way too many rushing yards.
Speaker 1: And I would I mean, if you if you look
Speaker 1: at the roster, it's so obviously safety and defensive tackle position.
Speaker 1: When you're just like, all right, where where are we
Speaker 1: deficient in talent? It's those two positions, I think, and
Speaker 1: I think most people would agree. Having said that, as
Speaker 1: good as you might feel about defensive tackle, and it
Speaker 1: does I mean Tristan Hill, I think Christian Covington's an
Speaker 1: underrated signing, honestly, like he had a pretty good career
Speaker 1: in Houston. Reminds me a lot of Terrell McClain, who, again,
Speaker 1: like didn't really knew nobody was very excited when he
Speaker 1: signed on and he wound up being pretty useful. Having
Speaker 1: said all of that, I do I like, are there
Speaker 1: enough playmakers on the back end of this defense? Are there?
Speaker 1: I mean, Byron Jones was great last year. He doesn't
Speaker 1: get picks Cheeto has gotten a pick each in the
Speaker 1: season finale of both of his seasons. Jeff Heath is
Speaker 1: your best ballhawk and everybody in the world wants to
Speaker 1: get rid of him. Xavier Woods has shown flashes of it,
Speaker 1: but it hadn't been there on a consistent basis. How
Speaker 1: many career interceptions does he have? No, Xavier Woods, not
Speaker 1: a not a lot. For I think that might even
Speaker 1: be high, um, And that's that's part of it is
Speaker 1: you can have all the talent in the world, like
Speaker 1: takeaways or a big part of it. And basically, for
Speaker 1: the entire time that I've covered this team, they have
Speaker 1: not had a playmaker who can get takeaways, and I
Speaker 1: wonder about that. In order for them to take the
Speaker 1: next step this year, they're gonna need Byron Jones, They're
Speaker 1: gonna need Xavier Woods, The're gonna need Cheat Obey, They're
Speaker 1: gonna need all those guys to start getting their hands
Speaker 1: on the ball and actually turning the ball over. And
Speaker 1: in order for them to turn it, I would love
Speaker 1: where to be. Jordan Lewis, I'd a good friend. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get It's gonna get as many opportunities, but I
Speaker 1: would love where to be keeping the way he did yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'm well, I'm excited about him. And a lot of
Speaker 1: it's because Byron can't practice. I understand that, but they're
Speaker 1: putting him outside and he's holding his own against Cooper
Speaker 1: and anybody else that wants some So that's really in
Speaker 1: uraging to see. Um. Parts of me want to get
Speaker 1: excited from yesterday's practice, and then we remember who were
Speaker 1: the players and yeah, and they're you know, they're purposefully
Speaker 1: mixing and matching. So yeah, like I try not to
Speaker 1: overreact to it too, but I mean, it's Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: I don't care who's throwing him the ball or what.
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis has looked pretty solid in every practice that
Speaker 1: we've seen. There was a play yesterday, would you It
Speaker 1: was kind of refreshing because you're like, oh, it's just practice,
Speaker 1: it's mini camp. Yeah, tell that Sean Lee. Like Sean
Speaker 1: Lee was just berating this poor official who you know,
Speaker 1: probably works Conference USA or something like that. Maybe I
Speaker 1: if that, but I'm just saying it was late in
Speaker 1: the game and it was a deep ball to Cooper.
Speaker 1: It was Cooper and Jordan and Jordan. I thought Jordan
Speaker 1: the great play. It was a BS call. It was
Speaker 1: not a flag, and they called pass interference on like
Speaker 1: the two yard line, which I guess. I guess Jason
Speaker 1: did one review that, you know, I guess we're not
Speaker 1: We're not there yet, and uh Sean Lee I thought
Speaker 1: was just gonna lose it right there, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's just practice. But then you're like, that's okay. At
Speaker 1: least you know they're getting into it. And I actually
Speaker 1: I saw Jordan in the locker room after that, and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know, these refs are getting
Speaker 1: paid like fifty bucks to be here, like you really, like,
Speaker 1: give this guy a break. I mean, you're killing him
Speaker 1: over an off season flag. Like he's not getting paid
Speaker 1: enough to be putting up with that. But I was kidding, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're right. But then you know, then again Jordan
Speaker 1: lois like, this is my chief trying to him after
Speaker 1: they got the ball, they got down there and Dak
Speaker 1: is that when Dak was waiting waiting and then he
Speaker 1: got a Randall Cobb in the corner on a touchdown.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was really nice play and design and
Speaker 1: it's one of those where you know, you can't do
Speaker 1: this with a lot of offensive lines. But but this
Speaker 1: Cowboy offensive line can can hold up, you know, long
Speaker 1: enough for a play like that to develop. And he
Speaker 1: you know, Cobb was crafty and you know, and you
Speaker 1: know you want to be like, wow, you know they
Speaker 1: don't they have never had that before, but they have.
Speaker 1: I mean, Beasley easily did those kind of things, and
Speaker 1: I think Cobb's going to be able to do that.
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Speaker 1: we come back, I'll ask the question, what is the
Speaker 1: greatest strength of this defense. It's the linebackers or is
Speaker 1: the defensive ends? With the addition of Robert Quinn. We'll
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Speaker 1: a little bit about defense. We have. We've kind of
Speaker 1: talked about the general big topic things I want to
Speaker 1: talk to some about the strengths of this defense. I
Speaker 1: think the two strengths are pretty obvious. I think it's lineback,
Speaker 1: or I think is defensive end with the addition of
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn. If you had to choose which one would
Speaker 1: be the greatest strength of them, which one would you say?
Speaker 1: It is defensive end, not a linebacker easily for me,
Speaker 1: defensive end. A conversation on this, how many tell me? Why?
Speaker 1: Because how many? First of all, how many teams have
Speaker 1: like three Pro Bowl caliber players, like I mean, and
Speaker 1: now we know for sure Sean Lee is gonna play
Speaker 1: some Sam, So you've got a Pro Bowl caliber player
Speaker 1: at all three positions. And you know, I feel weird
Speaker 1: even saying this, because I'm the guy that's like, well,
Speaker 1: physicality is being taken out of the NFL. Linebacker is
Speaker 1: kind of like the running back of the defense. It's
Speaker 1: like it's losing its place. But having seen the athleticism
Speaker 1: of these two young guys and the plays that it
Speaker 1: allows them to make and the tone that it allows
Speaker 1: them to set was incredible last year. And you know
Speaker 1: I said there aren't enough playmakers on this defense. Well,
Speaker 1: the probably the closest thing that they have to that
Speaker 1: in the back seven is Jalen and Layton. I mean
Speaker 1: they both of them made plays, takeaways and tackles that
Speaker 1: single handedly turned games. They're just they're impressive and they
Speaker 1: appear to be durable. Lock knock on Wood and I
Speaker 1: just I think it's a hell of a strength on
Speaker 1: this defense. Amber, tell me why you would say defensive end. Well,
Speaker 1: what demark well, you got Robert Quinn here now added
Speaker 1: hoping that he's able to play at a high level,
Speaker 1: and what he's shown here during this little practices has
Speaker 1: been promising. Now when you add that to DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: and the line Anton Woods, Malee Collins, they were able
Speaker 1: to do things as well that we're good for the defense.
Speaker 1: So having those main guys there, Lawrence and Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: creating pressure allowing not just for themselves, but aligning opportunities
Speaker 1: for everybody else on the line, to me, that's kind
Speaker 1: of where it all starts. And being able to put
Speaker 1: the pressure in it plays into the role what the
Speaker 1: linebackers are doing back there and creating opportunities for them
Speaker 1: as well. I mean they were able to play great.
Speaker 1: Layton made some plays on his own where he basically
Speaker 1: dry guys. Remember last year in certain plays where he
Speaker 1: just looked absolutely amazing and he would do certain things
Speaker 1: all on his own. But to me, that all starts
Speaker 1: with the line and what the Marcus Lawrence was able
Speaker 1: to do and the rest of the line. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that you've got it. From a potential standpoint.
Speaker 1: I think the linebackers have a little bit more upside
Speaker 1: because they're young and they're going to grow into that.
Speaker 1: But I think as far as production goes, I think Quinn,
Speaker 1: the combination of Quinn and Lawrence and then you got
Speaker 1: Gregory as well, I think those guys are the strength.
Speaker 1: And what she said, I think it all starts with
Speaker 1: the pass rush and then the linebackers can feed off
Speaker 1: of that. Now they did make plays on their own,
Speaker 1: and it's a It's a close second to me. I
Speaker 1: think if if a team it was an expansion team,
Speaker 1: they would take the linebackers because of their youth and
Speaker 1: all that. But I think as it stands right now,
Speaker 1: I go with the guys that I've done it a
Speaker 1: little bit more. And the Sean Lee part's a factor
Speaker 1: in there too, because now you're talking about three guys,
Speaker 1: but those three versus is Gregory Quinn and d Law.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not, like, how are you including Gregory
Speaker 1: in this right now? I mean, I can't count on him.
Speaker 1: He's not on the roster right well, you counted on
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. He Sean Lee played games last year, I
Speaker 1: mean he was, but he's not on the roster. He's
Speaker 1: not here. I think that's an important thing to take
Speaker 1: into account. In my opion, it is. It is an
Speaker 1: important thing. But the Cowboys seem confident that he's gonna
Speaker 1: be and they know something. I guess I would imagine
Speaker 1: I assume they know more than we do. It certainly
Speaker 1: seems like they know something the way they keep talking
Speaker 1: about it. I would love to see him. I hope
Speaker 1: he rolls up in Oxnard, but I'm not counting on
Speaker 1: him as part of the pass rush right now. About
Speaker 1: a Hyder, yeah absolutely, I think he might, you know,
Speaker 1: the factor into this, and I think they they've got
Speaker 1: some some good depth there. But it starts to me
Speaker 1: it all comes down to Quinn. You know, is Quinn
Speaker 1: the type of guy that he was? Kenny Ken, Marion
Speaker 1: Ellie and Leon Let get that out of him again,
Speaker 1: because if you can, then that's gonna be good. But
Speaker 1: who would you say has been the best defensive end
Speaker 1: that's lined up opposite DeMarcus Lawrence in his career. I mean,
Speaker 1: since he's been really good. I mean Greg Hardy. I
Speaker 1: hate to even bring him up, but Greig Hardy. Yeah, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: the reason I'm asking is because then I want you
Speaker 1: to make the comparison. Is this now the best guy
Speaker 1: that he will have had on the opposite side, Because
Speaker 1: I think that makes a difference when you have a
Speaker 1: guy as dominant as DeMarcus Lawrence has been at the
Speaker 1: defensive end position, having another guy on the opposite side
Speaker 1: who was equally dominant or can even get closer that
Speaker 1: range forces defense is to make some really really interesting
Speaker 1: decisions and that may either make more opportunities for DeMarcus,
Speaker 1: more opportunities for Quinn on more opportunities for those defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: You know what I like about this situation is you
Speaker 1: got two pass rushers that play naturally play the position
Speaker 1: that they're going to play. It's not like they drafted
Speaker 1: a guy who really likes the play on the left side,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna have to play right because d laws there.
Speaker 1: Quinn lines up on the right. He goes up against
Speaker 1: these left tackles all day long. Law lines up on
Speaker 1: the left, goes up against these right tackles. It's perfect
Speaker 1: for what they both want to do and do well.
Speaker 1: And I think it's it's gonna fit. I think the
Speaker 1: combination it's gonna be really good. Yeah, I completely agree
Speaker 1: with that. For the record, I do this is as
Speaker 1: good as the defensive end position has been in my
Speaker 1: time here. And that's before Gregory comes back again. You know,
Speaker 1: I did a story on Carrie Hyder last week. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize, you know, me and Brian brought us watching
Speaker 1: tape of him. We thought there was a chance they
Speaker 1: brought him in here to be an under tackle, and
Speaker 1: maybe they would have if they hadn't drafted Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: but they did. So they've got him playing left end
Speaker 1: now and that's where he easily had the best season
Speaker 1: of his career in twenty sixteen. Eight sacks for Detroit.
Speaker 1: Just I mean, that's that's better than anybody on this
Speaker 1: roster other than Quinn Law Quinn too, but none of
Speaker 1: the other guy. I mean, Tyron Crawford has never gotten
Speaker 1: that high. Gregory never got that high. Malik had five
Speaker 1: and a half, I think, so if he can get
Speaker 1: back to that, that's awfully enticing. I like his odds
Speaker 1: to make this roster as part of that rotation for sure,
Speaker 1: if my memory starts correct. When he did that, he
Speaker 1: had talent on the other side. Yeah, so that that's
Speaker 1: something to consider here, is that when you have the
Speaker 1: opposite a guy on the opposite side, it really does
Speaker 1: help out everybody on the defensive line. I mean, would
Speaker 1: Robert Mathis have had a great career for the Colts
Speaker 1: if you didn't play again? You know, with Dwight Freeney
Speaker 1: for smonging that that stuff matters. Anthony Spencer finally figured
Speaker 1: it out, did the same thing. Where had Greg Ellis.
Speaker 1: I mean, for every great defensive end you can probably
Speaker 1: find in most of their years when they had greatness,
Speaker 1: they had somebody that was pretty good on the opposite side.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they they probably had something to
Speaker 1: do with that, but it kind of goes hand in hand.
Speaker 1: Two is better than one. Yeah, I still can't which
Speaker 1: everything we just said is right, But those two freakazoids
Speaker 1: that linebacker, they're impressive. Man. Here's the good thing. And
Speaker 1: I actually agree with you for the record, Clinton. Well,
Speaker 1: the good thing about these debates like that is that
Speaker 1: you get them both. Yeah, you know, this isn't like
Speaker 1: a quarterback we should we play this one or this one.
Speaker 1: It's like they're both going to be good. Just proved
Speaker 1: me wrong, prove me wrong. This is a This is
Speaker 1: a point that I wanted to make at the back
Speaker 1: end of the last segment, kind of going back to
Speaker 1: my thing about takeaways, though, is like I don't know
Speaker 1: realistically how much better you can expect them to be,
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe I don't set my expectations high enough.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were they were seventh in total defense
Speaker 1: and sixth and scoring. That's pretty damn good. I'm obviously
Speaker 1: they could be number one, but injuries and schemes. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, great pass rushers will only average like half
Speaker 1: a sack per game. Like, so I think about that
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't care about them being statistically
Speaker 1: that much better. I want them to get the ball
Speaker 1: back more like That's what I that would be the jump,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's what great defenses do on In
Speaker 1: addition to that, what we've heard of of Chris Shard
Speaker 1: Plea in the draft room when they were trying to
Speaker 1: make a decision between defensive tackle and safety. Part of
Speaker 1: that plea was, look, you give me a better pass rush.
Speaker 1: If our pass rush is better, I feel confident at
Speaker 1: the back end will be also better. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: the point they go out and they get a Robert Quinn,
Speaker 1: they drafted Tristan Hill. They feel like they have some
Speaker 1: guys that can really get after the passer, even more
Speaker 1: than they were able to do last year. And maybe
Speaker 1: that gets Byron Jones those interceptions that maybe he didn't
Speaker 1: get before. Again, quarterbacks under pressure, he's gonna make more
Speaker 1: bad decisions Aaron throws that may create more easy opportunities
Speaker 1: for them to get turnover. Absolutely, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: say that I know something Marinelli doesn't or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I feel like sometimes they get these pass rushers
Speaker 1: in the center of the defense. These you know, even
Speaker 1: though one technique they can get up the field or
Speaker 1: a three technique, which is great, but those guys also
Speaker 1: get gashed out of the way. And that's what If
Speaker 1: I remember the Colts game, I just remember these guys
Speaker 1: getting up the field, schemed out of the way, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's just these gaping holes.
Speaker 1: So the Tristan Hill highlights that I remember that he
Speaker 1: was just a nightmare for the center. He was all
Speaker 1: over the quarterback. But I didn't see a lot of
Speaker 1: the run defense in him that plays and I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'll defer to you guys. He watched a
Speaker 1: lot more tape, but I just remember a little bit
Speaker 1: more pass rushing plays and I want those guys that
Speaker 1: stay home eat up those double teams. And in second nine, well,
Speaker 1: I just Covington is a name that I've got my
Speaker 1: eye and for that purpose. Yeah, so I was gonna
Speaker 1: throw out Covington, But I also was going to ask
Speaker 1: this question, what do you think about Antoine? Was obviously
Speaker 1: last year he was another one of those guys that
Speaker 1: was surprisingly good, was he? But but I think in
Speaker 1: some of those instances where you were getting pushed out
Speaker 1: of the way, he was a part of that. Do
Speaker 1: you think he's increased his it will be better this year,
Speaker 1: so he's not going to be pushed around like that
Speaker 1: in those instances throwing a caveat which you know excuses,
Speaker 1: I get it, nobody wants to hear him. He hurt
Speaker 1: the shoulder that he had surgery on. He hurt it
Speaker 1: during the Rams game, so I'm sure that sucked for him.
Speaker 1: He was trying to that's like, yeah, he doesn't look
Speaker 1: the same as he did last year. He's got a
Speaker 1: different bad or good. Um, well, I don't know. You
Speaker 1: just know what it looks like right now. Well for
Speaker 1: the beach he better, But for playing football, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying he looks he looks slimmer,
Speaker 1: but I mean, is that good in this situation. I'm
Speaker 1: not questioned. Is he stronger. We'll find out. Well, he's so,
Speaker 1: he had surgery, he's working his way back. He's not
Speaker 1: part of these practices. But we actually talked to him yesterday.
Speaker 1: I loved his response. It wasn't anything new, but I
Speaker 1: just love his attitude because I'm I've said it a
Speaker 1: couple of times, no disrespect toward the guy, But I
Speaker 1: don't consider his job status as being that safe, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's he's not this untouchable all pro starter that's
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be in the lineup or necessarily even have
Speaker 1: a job at the end of training camp, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: And I asked him about that. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you were this guy a year ago. It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like it because you had such a good season, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, you were trying to lose weight so you
Speaker 1: could catch somebody's attention and make the team. And he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, like you know, my mindset doesn't change.
Speaker 1: Like people in this locker room know me a little
Speaker 1: bit better now. But there's like three guys here that
Speaker 1: are doing right now trying to do what I did
Speaker 1: last year. Like there's somebody here who's hungry, who's trying
Speaker 1: to drop weight and get in shape and take my job.
Speaker 1: Like that's the name of the game this league. They're always,
Speaker 1: I think he was like, they're always trying to find
Speaker 1: your replacement always, and I recognize that, and I know
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, well, I like your attitude at
Speaker 1: least you know, you don't want to be and I
Speaker 1: say this with respect to him, but you don't want
Speaker 1: to be lucky Whitehead. You know, because a guy that
Speaker 1: just kind of oh, he comes in, he does some
Speaker 1: good things like wow, this is great, and then you know,
Speaker 1: and he loved the camera, love doing all the fun
Speaker 1: things and because his personality is great, but like if
Speaker 1: you don't keep it going and you care too much
Speaker 1: about this other stuff, then you're not going to be around.
Speaker 1: And so I love that that answer, Well that was
Speaker 1: kind of my thing too, as I was like, I like,
Speaker 1: I like that, you know this, Like I like that
Speaker 1: you understand what it's going to take. Joe Looney's on
Speaker 1: the team because he's a really good versatile center guard.
Speaker 1: That's why he's on the team. All this other stuff,
Speaker 1: National Doughnut Day, all this stuff, that's great. Ha ha.
Speaker 1: He's on the team because he's a really good player
Speaker 1: and he's worked his butt off to do that. And
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, I think sees that and yeah, you know
Speaker 1: you can be We did a play. We'll show it
Speaker 1: um you know later this summer on our series of
Speaker 1: Tale of the Tape where Brian brought us sits down
Speaker 1: with these players and and does you know they go
Speaker 1: through a play on the tape. It was really good.
Speaker 1: And the one for Jalen Smith he makes it runs
Speaker 1: down to Shaun Watson and it makes a great play.
Speaker 1: But Antoine Woods is right there running stride for stride too,
Speaker 1: and it's like this guy that size can make a
Speaker 1: play like that, he can play ten years in this
Speaker 1: league if he can, If he can play like that.
Speaker 1: So he's got he's got a lot of upside too.
Speaker 1: Going back to what Dave said, I think defensive tackle
Speaker 1: position probably is a position of anyone on this defense
Speaker 1: that what we think right now can drastically change by
Speaker 1: the time you get to week one of the NFL season.
Speaker 1: Who knows who will be the starter, who knows will
Speaker 1: be in the who will be in the rotation. You
Speaker 1: got a couple of guys in there, the Vets who
Speaker 1: were only one year left under deals, and you got
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are coming in. Hell's the
Speaker 1: only guy on this team with multiple years on his deal. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's exactly. So defensive tackle is a position that that
Speaker 1: we'll be watching very very close to when we get
Speaker 1: out to Oxnard, because it is a position that could
Speaker 1: change quite a bit as we go through those practices.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you, before we went to training camp, we'd
Speaker 1: never said Antoine's name on this show, right, Or if
Speaker 1: we did, it was because me and Nick were looking
Speaker 1: at the roster like Antoine Woods is here, like he
Speaker 1: you know, he got here in May eighteenth fix. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm glad that it wasn't just because
Speaker 1: of Travis Frederick's condition. You know, we didn't know it
Speaker 1: back then, and the way that he was beating Travis
Speaker 1: Fredrick was like that was what caught everyone's eyes and
Speaker 1: started hearing, Oh, who's this guy Antoine Woods. But then
Speaker 1: later on you find out, oh, Travis is dealing with this,
Speaker 1: and then you started questioning it, well, how good is he? Actually?
Speaker 1: Like is he? But he was able to show it
Speaker 1: throughout the season and show it up. But when you
Speaker 1: start talking about the line, a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: hopefully they're able to come back healthy because you had
Speaker 1: plenty of injuries. They are guys that were playing throughout injuries.
Speaker 1: So we'll see at what level they come back. That's
Speaker 1: probably the biggest thing. I don't you know, on paper,
Speaker 1: this defense looks a lot better than it was last year,
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of guys dealing with stuff, some
Speaker 1: that aren't serious. But I mean, you know Byron Jones
Speaker 1: is he's aiming to come back at training camp. We
Speaker 1: don't know. DeMarcus is kind of the same. I don't
Speaker 1: expect we'll see a ton of him until the season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in Oxnard Layton is working his way back this week,
Speaker 1: but he's dealing with a pelvic issue. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting somebody to antoine. There you go, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: what how many starters did I just name for? You?
Speaker 1: Had my league calling he's always dealing with which actually,
Speaker 1: he's been healthy so far this spring and he's looked good,
Speaker 1: he says. But last year it was like back to
Speaker 1: back one of the it was like switch legs. He's
Speaker 1: had a hard time staying. You guys would all worry
Speaker 1: about Layton from standpoint of health because last year there
Speaker 1: were a lot of just little things. It seemed like
Speaker 1: to me like it was always something that seemed like
Speaker 1: he was kind of nursing and and now you talk
Speaker 1: about the pelvic issue he has. Are you at all
Speaker 1: concerned about even a little bit? He he heard his
Speaker 1: like growing in training camp and it held him out
Speaker 1: for a while. My memory suck, Like what else happened?
Speaker 1: I thought during the season he had a some kind
Speaker 1: of foot or something. Well, yeah, there's a time where
Speaker 1: he was kind of limping off the fat. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you get in a car right forty times
Speaker 1: a game. I mean that's what happens. I mean, these
Speaker 1: middle linebackers, it's we kind of you know, joke about
Speaker 1: the Sean Lee thing unfairly really, but I mean all
Speaker 1: those linebackers the best in the league. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what separates you from being an All Pro. Linebackers are
Speaker 1: being just to go. The guys that are just durable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm sure you know, I know Luke
Speaker 1: Keekley seems like he stays hurt a lot too. You know,
Speaker 1: it's hard. I mean, linebacker is a hard position to
Speaker 1: play and stay healthy. It's it's the running back of
Speaker 1: the defense, like you just get brutalized. That's I mean.
Speaker 1: I saw Navarro Bowman just retired with the Niners a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago and say like he was incredible
Speaker 1: for like, I don't know, three years. He was it
Speaker 1: only three years, that's exactly. He was in the same
Speaker 1: draft to class as lead. I don't know, was he
Speaker 1: as good. I'm just well, I'm talking his peak, like
Speaker 1: you know, when him and Willis were there and they
Speaker 1: were just unreal, like amazing. It couldn't have been longer
Speaker 1: than like four years because then he started dealing with injuries. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, the most as good as he was, like
Speaker 1: the thing, he's going to be associated with for the
Speaker 1: rest of his life is blowing his knee out in
Speaker 1: that playoff game. So it's it's a tough position to play.
Speaker 1: It just is. But remember him having any major I
Speaker 1: need to see, and it was anything major it was.
Speaker 1: It was just those kind of things where you know,
Speaker 1: some players they never missed games, but it's always kind
Speaker 1: of these little nagging things. And it's just kind of
Speaker 1: though he was on that rehab thing, like because I
Speaker 1: would be trying to get him to do the show
Speaker 1: No Last and he would spend hours getting rehab, getting massages,
Speaker 1: this treatment, that treat didn't want He just didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk to you. That's all. Watching on the show,
Speaker 1: I realized why he didn't want to do it. He
Speaker 1: was really terrible. It wasn't very comfortable, It wasn't very
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll be better this year. I need to see
Speaker 1: a larger sample size of him being hurt before I
Speaker 1: think he's got an injury because he played well, you know,
Speaker 1: in all those games. So yeah, I think that's the
Speaker 1: nature of the position. And if I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: even back to Brady James, I think there was time
Speaker 1: so they put Brady James on Wednesdays where he was at.
Speaker 1: I mean that's just the position. I mean, wasn't Kevin
Speaker 1: Burnett kind of like that when that his like he
Speaker 1: didn't miss a lot of games, but he was always
Speaker 1: had something that he was nursing because he was always
Speaker 1: getting banged up. All right, let's take our final break
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Speaker 1: of the final show before we head to training camp.
Speaker 1: This is the break Life on the SWBC Morts videos.
Speaker 1: At the start, we've been talking about the defense. Who
Speaker 1: want to get some questions and comments from you guys?
Speaker 1: Call us at eighty two two nine seven. You can
Speaker 1: also hit us on Twitter at Cowboys Break and But
Speaker 1: let's start with some questions from Twitter. What do you have? Well?
Speaker 1: I see some people wondering if we're expecting to see
Speaker 1: any more player editions before training camp at some big position.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked me about that on Twitter a week or
Speaker 1: two ago. And typically if they do that, they do
Speaker 1: they They have been known to like switch it up
Speaker 1: when all of this is over, like nine OTA's three
Speaker 1: day mini camp. You watch the tape, you're you're do
Speaker 1: an honest assessment and if there's somebody they're not thrilled about.
Speaker 1: I remember, I think our guy Ryan Williams. You remember,
Speaker 1: you know, the running, you know, the his hype train
Speaker 1: wasn't as big as the Kristen Michael hype train, but
Speaker 1: he had some hype, and they just like unceremoniously cut
Speaker 1: him like two days before we left for Oxnard and
Speaker 1: brought somebody else in. So they could, I mean, didn't
Speaker 1: they worked out a guy yesterday after practice fullback. I
Speaker 1: just think I don't think so, yes, they could. It's
Speaker 1: just not going to be anything that right, it won't
Speaker 1: be anybody in sexy If that's it ain't gonna be.
Speaker 1: Is there a sexy player? Is there anybody out there
Speaker 1: that's still a free agent at any position the Cowboys
Speaker 1: could actually use that would be worth picking up? I
Speaker 1: you know, I we already said I would have gone
Speaker 1: after Gerald McCoy. They didn't. I can't think of a
Speaker 1: ton of other you know, Ziggy Ansa signed forgot where
Speaker 1: he signed. Zig Ziggy is with Seattle. McCoy. McCoy is
Speaker 1: in Carolina also went to Seattle as in Seattle. McCoy's
Speaker 1: in Carolina. Sue is in Tampa. Eric Berry, They're not
Speaker 1: going to do that. They're sorry, that ain't happening. I
Speaker 1: suspect here in the next few months, we're probably gonna
Speaker 1: hear that Eric Berry is doing a press conference or retire.
Speaker 1: It's what I would say, what I would guess would
Speaker 1: not surprise me. Um other than that, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe, you know, if if one of these
Speaker 1: wide receivers just didn't impress him or something like that,
Speaker 1: maybe they might bring in a guy. You know, Lance
Speaker 1: Lenore joined late a couple of years ago. But it
Speaker 1: ain't ain't gonna be anything super noteworthy at this point.
Speaker 1: The next time you would expect to see names that
Speaker 1: you would know that are even available would be once
Speaker 1: you get to training camp and get out of training camp,
Speaker 1: when teams start making cuts. Yeah, you notoriously will have
Speaker 1: some veterans that will hit the street and then it
Speaker 1: will be an option of whether the Cowboys at that
Speaker 1: point I want to go out and get them. But
Speaker 1: rarely do you find those kind of guys at this
Speaker 1: point of the year. Not to say they won't sign somebody,
Speaker 1: but just find somebody at this time of the year.
Speaker 1: Let's take a call from Trade in Mississippi Trade. What up? Hey,
Speaker 1: how you guys doing today? Right? All right, So I've
Speaker 1: got a couple of things about the defense, and I'll
Speaker 1: ask you guys. One, I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: is kind of buried Georgia Locu down the depth chart,
Speaker 1: and I think I think maybe Christia Shark could do
Speaker 1: something with him that maybe he hasn't been used before.
Speaker 1: I think it's a mistake to look at what a
Speaker 1: player has done up until this point. You got to
Speaker 1: look at how they've been used also, and I think
Speaker 1: that we might use a little different than he's been used,
Speaker 1: and that might play into his size and everything. And also,
Speaker 1: do you guys think that there's potential for us to
Speaker 1: have a really interesting sort of NASCAR package along the
Speaker 1: dua with all the speed that we have, even if
Speaker 1: we got so much depth at the end, we could
Speaker 1: kick Dall inside on a couple pass rushes and have
Speaker 1: Maleek Collins dlall. Then you know you got Door jarn Strong,
Speaker 1: Robert Claid and maybe Randy if he comes back. I
Speaker 1: just kind of want to hear what you guys think
Speaker 1: about that. Thank you, guys, love the show. I'm playing
Speaker 1: up the lizards you know, love both of those questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good questions. Start with the last one first, because the
Speaker 1: thing about that is you have a really good pass
Speaker 1: rusher in DeMarcus Lawrence, one of the one of the
Speaker 1: best in the league. Obviously, playing him inside, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not where he's making his money. That's not what
Speaker 1: you're paying him for. So I get the notion, But
Speaker 1: to me, I want my best players doing what they
Speaker 1: do well. We'll figure out the defensive tackle part there.
Speaker 1: But I just remember the touchdown against in the Seattle game,
Speaker 1: the first time there was a deep ball. I remember
Speaker 1: just thinking, why is he playing on inside just so
Speaker 1: they could get Taco on the field and all that. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't love that. I don't love that at all.
Speaker 1: I don't need dorn tom Strong on the field for
Speaker 1: that reason. I want Quinn on the outside and d
Speaker 1: law on the outside, and we'll figure out some guys
Speaker 1: that can rush in the middle. I think, I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but like throw in, throw Tyrone
Speaker 1: in their attackles. Maybe you know Tristan Hill looks athletic
Speaker 1: as hell when he rushes the passer on his UCF tape,
Speaker 1: So that's where maybe, yeah, which Hyder's not working at
Speaker 1: tackle right now, but Rod Marinelli said that he could
Speaker 1: once he gets a little more acclimated. There's no shortage
Speaker 1: of guys that can do both, so you know, college
Speaker 1: teams do that all the time and it's so much fun.
Speaker 1: So I would I would love to see. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't mean this in any disrespect to d Law.
Speaker 1: I just haven't seen it yet. But when JPP was
Speaker 1: really doing his thing, when he was all over the place,
Speaker 1: you blind him aforet those tackles. I just haven't seen
Speaker 1: d Law do that to that kind of effective. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did get a peep of that last year during
Speaker 1: training camp. If you remember, there were a few days
Speaker 1: during practice when they let him line up all across
Speaker 1: the line, so basically as they're doing one on ones,
Speaker 1: they would line him up a defensive end. In the
Speaker 1: next rotation, he'd be a defensive tackle, and he'd go
Speaker 1: all the way down the line and go up against
Speaker 1: every offensive lineman on the first team and fair pretty well.
Speaker 1: The only guy I don't think he beat was zech
Speaker 1: I if my memory serves correct, but they did. We
Speaker 1: did get a peep of that and seeing him kind
Speaker 1: of move around a little bit as for Iloca. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess Trey listen to the comments he made last week,
Speaker 1: because if he didn't, he's he's really perceptive, at least
Speaker 1: because Iloka talked to the media a week ago and
Speaker 1: was like, I love this scheme. You know the defenses
Speaker 1: I played him before. You know, they asked me to
Speaker 1: play fifteen twenty yards back. The Cowboys want me more
Speaker 1: up in the box. I think that'll suit me better.
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with him. I mean, the dude
Speaker 1: is six three, he is all arms and legs. Man,
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of especially for somebody as short as me,
Speaker 1: it's weird to be around him. Like he's his legs
Speaker 1: are just enormous. So in my elementary mind, I'm like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: like if you're you know, down in the box where
Speaker 1: there's less space, like that'll probably suit you better. I
Speaker 1: don't you know, like wacky waving inflatable tube man out
Speaker 1: there trying to play in space. I don't know how
Speaker 1: great of an idea that is. So I liked the
Speaker 1: thought of him being in the box. And the other
Speaker 1: thing he said what he said, my goal is to
Speaker 1: have the best year of my career. While I went
Speaker 1: and looked back at his career. He had eighty tackles
Speaker 1: in three picks with you know, eight or ten pass
Speaker 1: deflections in two separate years, which maybe that's not all pro,
Speaker 1: but that's that's better than what we've seen from the
Speaker 1: safety position for a long time. So if he's better
Speaker 1: than that, then it would be noteworthy. When he was
Speaker 1: out there last year, I think all of us on
Speaker 1: this show were like, hey, go get him, bring him
Speaker 1: in here. That think that was what middle of the
Speaker 1: season or so when when he was out there on
Speaker 1: the street. So yeah, he's certainly got some skill, no
Speaker 1: doubt about it. I you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: take credit away from Jeff Heath because I drive that bandwagon.
Speaker 1: I think he's better than a lot of people want
Speaker 1: to give him credit for. But the other thing is too,
Speaker 1: is you know, his comfort in the scheme, his dependability
Speaker 1: with the coaches, that stuff matters. So I think I
Speaker 1: Loca is going to have to be significantly better to
Speaker 1: just take that job away. Like maybe we'll see him
Speaker 1: in a platoon situation where they're using three safeties, but
Speaker 1: if he's just straight up going to be the every
Speaker 1: down strong safety, I don't think he can just be
Speaker 1: like the same as Heath, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because they'll defer to Heath like he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: just blow everybody away with how much better he is.
Speaker 1: Gotta beat him. All right, let's take a call from
Speaker 1: Tim and Boston. Tim, Hey, guys, thanks taking my call.
Speaker 1: He appreciate it. A couple quick points. First, one is
Speaker 1: how long do you think it's going to take. We're
Speaker 1: all cautiously optimistic about the new look offense and things
Speaker 1: are they're going to be implementing, but how long do
Speaker 1: you realistically think that it's going to take as far
Speaker 1: as games before we start seeing dividends from that? And
Speaker 1: the second thing is I might be the the only one
Speaker 1: that's a little nervous about a backup quarterback. Ah, I
Speaker 1: apologize if y'all covered it earlier. I'm a little late
Speaker 1: to the show today, but I am very nervous. We've
Speaker 1: been very lucky, Dak's been a stud knock on wood,
Speaker 1: he's been healthy, but well nervous about that spot. So
Speaker 1: I'll hang up and let y'all talk about it. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. And here's the thing, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that that he Tim did not watch the tape
Speaker 1: from yesterday's practice, because if he did, he would be nervous.
Speaker 1: Not just a little nervous, he'd be very nervous. No,
Speaker 1: you're not the only one. You're not the only one
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, those guys don't look capable really
Speaker 1: and and they haven't had haven't had to be right now.
Speaker 1: But but no, they don't look that good right now. Um,
Speaker 1: they don't. And that might be a product of this
Speaker 1: first question, which you know he just said, is he
Speaker 1: gonna take some time and all that. But see, Dak
Speaker 1: looks pretty good, you know that. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he's had a really nice offseason. He throws the ball better.
Speaker 1: I think you can see a difference here with doing
Speaker 1: Kellen and Kitnah so far, we'll see that. Nobody's screaming
Speaker 1: off the edge to tackle him yet. But I think
Speaker 1: he looks good. But but yeah, the second part of that,
Speaker 1: I mean, the worst part is being in at these
Speaker 1: practices like where you would expect them to be okay
Speaker 1: and like look better during this time because you're not
Speaker 1: really playing real football or anything, getting actually to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: So it's just it was bad what I saw yesterday
Speaker 1: from Cooper was bad, Like he would get out of
Speaker 1: the pocket and start running around not knowing what the
Speaker 1: heck to do out there, Like he I don't know,
Speaker 1: his conscious like awareness of the field and where each
Speaker 1: guy is supposed to be is just not not even there.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that he does that you just you know,
Speaker 1: we're always talking about traits. He just doesn't have any
Speaker 1: traits that you just watch in practice and go, oh,
Speaker 1: look at that arm or you know, he's somewhat mobile,
Speaker 1: but not he's not winning any races or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And your presence, you know, pocket presence, and it just
Speaker 1: it doesn't look There was a play we had three
Speaker 1: interceptions from him yesterday, but there was another play where
Speaker 1: there was a safety coming right off the edge and
Speaker 1: I think it was West you maybe, and he was
Speaker 1: looking looking over here. Easy sack he would have been,
Speaker 1: you know, he would have killed. I mean just this
Speaker 1: guy coming in and he didn't even look at him.
Speaker 1: So like, his awareness to me is not where it
Speaker 1: needs to be right now. The pick that Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: pick was like it was the last play of two minutes,
Speaker 1: so I mean, the game's over, and it was a
Speaker 1: great play by Donovan Wilson. He just so that one
Speaker 1: doesn't concern me, but he threw a pick six to
Speaker 1: Donovan Alumba and another pick to Joe Thomas, where I
Speaker 1: was like, you didn't even see that guy even know
Speaker 1: he was there, which that's always troubling. And Mike White
Speaker 1: just hasn't It's not like he's much better right now.
Speaker 1: So the problem is I don't know that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are gonna be interested in going out and finding somebody
Speaker 1: else to replace them, And so what you really have
Speaker 1: to hope is working with John Kitten through an entire
Speaker 1: training camp, you start to see one of these guys
Speaker 1: get better, because no, you know, the hope is that
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott just keeps being healthy, very healthy, very terry,
Speaker 1: very very healthy. But but any event they have to play,
Speaker 1: I think that's your next best option because I don't
Speaker 1: know that the Cowboys have shown it, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's really anybody out there you want to
Speaker 1: go get. We know they hate going to get big names,
Speaker 1: but like, who's even there, right, who's even who's there?
Speaker 1: Didn't con Cook get cut? Yeah? Yeah, Connor Cook who
Speaker 1: has three hundred career passy offseason that ain't great, want
Speaker 1: me you want cut in June? Pull them Mickey. Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago we were at two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: we were saying same things about these two backups Drew
Speaker 1: Henson and this guy Romo. Romo is terrible, like he
Speaker 1: is terrible, and and you know, luckily Quincy and Vinny
Speaker 1: are here, but uh and they sign but luck yeah,
Speaker 1: luckily we got these guys. So but but Romo's terrible.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, they cut Quincy. Okay, well they have to
Speaker 1: cut this guy, I mean, because he is absolutely awful. Um,
Speaker 1: we've seen he doesn't even play flag football very well.
Speaker 1: With these guys. Yeah. So um, I'm just saying it
Speaker 1: was it was the shock of all shocks to think
Speaker 1: that god Tony Romo is going to be the face
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, but that's that's so far fetched.
Speaker 1: I understand all that happened twice, I get it, I
Speaker 1: said three times, maybe because Dak looked like crap in practice.
Speaker 1: But Dak wasn't as much of a long shot as Tony,
Speaker 1: I don't think. And Mike White wouldn't be as much
Speaker 1: of a long shot as Tony either, he was drafted.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there was a point in time where
Speaker 1: the thought of Tony Romo was worse than Mike White.
Speaker 1: Nick made a really funny point yesterday, like, I don't
Speaker 1: I might be wrong. I don't even think there is
Speaker 1: a veteran, you know, journeyman out there that would get
Speaker 1: people interested. But if there was, you would have to
Speaker 1: pay him like quadruple Dak's salary to come here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he knows he's not playing well. Because because quarterbacks
Speaker 1: have money, that's what the veteran makes. Like if you
Speaker 1: were going to bring in Ryan Fitzpatrick, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: not available, But if you were going to sign a
Speaker 1: guy like that, you would have to pay him so
Speaker 1: much more than what Dak is making. Yes, I agree
Speaker 1: with that, you would just because of how much Dak,
Speaker 1: how little Dak makes. Yes. So so it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean it's not doable. Though I think
Speaker 1: I didn't say it wasn't perception that what you said.
Speaker 1: The perception of what you said is is gonna cost
Speaker 1: you a ton of money. It's not gonna really cost
Speaker 1: you a ton of money. It's just going to cost
Speaker 1: you more than you're cheaply paying you. It's understood me completely.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be a ton of money in the grand
Speaker 1: scheme of things at all. It would just be enormously
Speaker 1: more than what Dak makes because he's the most underpaid
Speaker 1: player in the league. Yeah, it looks embarrassing, and you know,
Speaker 1: get that deal done, like Dad, I just Dak would
Speaker 1: just be looking at this guy like really. But I
Speaker 1: have hard time thinking they're going to enter this season
Speaker 1: with Dak making the money he's making. I have a
Speaker 1: hard time believing. We'll see, We'll see, but I have
Speaker 1: a hard time believing that. I don't. I this is
Speaker 1: what it is. The backup, the back position is troubling,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I mean, here's what's gonna happen. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be like a Monday and it's gonna training camp.
Speaker 1: Like we've seen this before. You're like they've had like
Speaker 1: seven practice in row or off today. What are y'all doing? Like,
Speaker 1: I get this done and then um all day I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait what they just signed back? Here we go. You
Speaker 1: know what's what I'm scared of. And I hope it
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, and I hope that does stay healthy. But
Speaker 1: remember when we were talking about Tyren Smith and his
Speaker 1: injury and then not doing something because they already knew
Speaker 1: he was dealing with the injury. They needed a backup
Speaker 1: that was good enough, and then you had um what's
Speaker 1: his name? Uh that that happens screen job. By the way,
Speaker 1: just sign this guy. It's amazing. At least two it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But I just hope that that there is not a
Speaker 1: scenario like that where we go into the season, something
Speaker 1: happens and then we're like, well, we talked about the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback the whole off season and they knew about it,
Speaker 1: they saw the tape that they didn't do crap about it,
Speaker 1: and look where we're at now. But that's also the
Speaker 1: problem is that the argument can be made anybody that
Speaker 1: would have been available to them this offseason or even
Speaker 1: right now, if we you'd still be like, Okay, Dack
Speaker 1: went down. I don't know what you're going to really
Speaker 1: expect from this team at that point, larn mccount or
Speaker 1: something one of them. Yeah, go get Luke again, somebody.
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