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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about defense today. Last week we

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Speaker 1: started talking about changes on this team, we specifically talked

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Speaker 1: there were quite a few more changes I think then

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Speaker 1: then on the offense, but a similar story overall, not

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Speaker 1: start first with just kind of talking about overall, what

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Speaker 1: They played far better than they were expected to play.

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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts going into the offseason next to

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Speaker 1: what the Cowboys really need? To do with this unit. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think they were pretty good and then until they weren't.

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Speaker 1: I mean in the Rams game. It's really hard. It's

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Speaker 1: way to put it. The Rams game just kind of

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Speaker 1: how the season was successful, which it was, but those

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Speaker 1: a little bit about defense. We have. We've kind of

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Speaker 1: talked about the general big topic things I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to some about the strengths of this defense. I

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Speaker 1: think the two strengths are pretty obvious. I think it's lineback,

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Speaker 1: or I think is defensive end with the addition of

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Speaker 1: Robert Quinn. If you had to choose which one would

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Speaker 1: be the greatest strength of them, which one would you say?

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Speaker 1: It is defensive end, not a linebacker easily for me,

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Speaker 1: defensive end. A conversation on this, how many tell me? Why?

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Speaker 1: Because how many? First of all, how many teams have

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Speaker 1: like three Pro Bowl caliber players, like I mean, and

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Speaker 1: now we know for sure Sean Lee is gonna play

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Speaker 1: some Sam, So you've got a Pro Bowl caliber player

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Speaker 1: at all three positions. And you know, I feel weird

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Speaker 1: even saying this, because I'm the guy that's like, well,

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Speaker 1: physicality is being taken out of the NFL. Linebacker is

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Speaker 1: kind of like the running back of the defense. It's

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Speaker 1: like it's losing its place. But having seen the athleticism

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Speaker 1: of these two young guys and the plays that it

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Speaker 1: allows them to make and the tone that it allows

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Speaker 1: them to set was incredible last year. And you know

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Speaker 1: I said there aren't enough playmakers on this defense. Well,

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Speaker 1: the probably the closest thing that they have to that

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Speaker 1: in the back seven is Jalen and Layton. I mean

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Speaker 1: they both of them made plays, takeaways and tackles that

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Speaker 1: single handedly turned games. They're just they're impressive and they

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Speaker 1: appear to be durable. Lock knock on Wood and I

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Speaker 1: just I think it's a hell of a strength on

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Speaker 1: this defense. Amber, tell me why you would say defensive end. Well,

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Speaker 1: what demark well, you got Robert Quinn here now added

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Speaker 1: hoping that he's able to play at a high level,

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Speaker 1: and what he's shown here during this little practices has

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Speaker 1: been promising. Now when you add that to DeMarcus Lawrence

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Speaker 1: and the line Anton Woods, Malee Collins, they were able

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Speaker 1: to do things as well that we're good for the defense.

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Speaker 1: So having those main guys there, Lawrence and Robert Quinn

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Speaker 1: creating pressure allowing not just for themselves, but aligning opportunities

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Speaker 1: for everybody else on the line, to me, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of where it all starts. And being able to put

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Speaker 1: the pressure in it plays into the role what the

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Speaker 1: linebackers are doing back there and creating opportunities for them

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Speaker 1: as well. I mean they were able to play great.

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Speaker 1: Layton made some plays on his own where he basically

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Speaker 1: dry guys. Remember last year in certain plays where he

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Speaker 1: just looked absolutely amazing and he would do certain things

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Speaker 1: all on his own. But to me, that all starts

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Speaker 1: with the line and what the Marcus Lawrence was able

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Speaker 1: to do and the rest of the line. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that you've got it. From a potential standpoint.

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Speaker 1: I think the linebackers have a little bit more upside

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Speaker 1: because they're young and they're going to grow into that.

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Speaker 1: But I think as far as production goes, I think Quinn,

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Speaker 1: the combination of Quinn and Lawrence and then you got

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Speaker 1: Gregory as well, I think those guys are the strength.

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Speaker 1: And what she said, I think it all starts with

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Speaker 1: the pass rush and then the linebackers can feed off

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Speaker 1: of that. Now they did make plays on their own,

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Speaker 1: and it's a It's a close second to me. I

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Speaker 1: think if if a team it was an expansion team,

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Speaker 1: they would take the linebackers because of their youth and

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Speaker 1: all that. But I think as it stands right now,

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Speaker 1: I go with the guys that I've done it a

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Speaker 1: little bit more. And the Sean Lee part's a factor

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Speaker 1: in there too, because now you're talking about three guys,

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Speaker 1: but those three versus is Gregory Quinn and d Law.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not, like, how are you including Gregory

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Speaker 1: in this right now? I mean, I can't count on him.

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Speaker 1: He's not on the roster right well, you counted on

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Speaker 1: Sean Lee. He Sean Lee played games last year, I

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Speaker 1: mean he was, but he's not on the roster. He's

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Speaker 1: not here. I think that's an important thing to take

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Speaker 1: into account. In my opion, it is. It is an

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Speaker 1: important thing. But the Cowboys seem confident that he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be and they know something. I guess I would imagine

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Speaker 1: I assume they know more than we do. It certainly

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Speaker 1: seems like they know something the way they keep talking

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Speaker 1: about it. I would love to see him. I hope

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Speaker 1: he rolls up in Oxnard, but I'm not counting on

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Speaker 1: him as part of the pass rush right now. About

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Speaker 1: a Hyder, yeah absolutely, I think he might, you know,

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Speaker 1: the factor into this, and I think they they've got

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Speaker 1: some some good depth there. But it starts to me

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Speaker 1: it all comes down to Quinn. You know, is Quinn

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Speaker 1: the type of guy that he was? Kenny Ken, Marion

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Speaker 1: Ellie and Leon Let get that out of him again,

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Speaker 1: because if you can, then that's gonna be good. But

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Speaker 1: who would you say has been the best defensive end

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Speaker 1: that's lined up opposite DeMarcus Lawrence in his career. I mean,

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Speaker 1: since he's been really good. I mean Greg Hardy. I

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Speaker 1: hate to even bring him up, but Greig Hardy. Yeah, Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: the reason I'm asking is because then I want you

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Speaker 1: to make the comparison. Is this now the best guy

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Speaker 1: that he will have had on the opposite side, Because

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Speaker 1: I think that makes a difference when you have a

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Speaker 1: guy as dominant as DeMarcus Lawrence has been at the

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Speaker 1: defensive end position, having another guy on the opposite side

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Speaker 1: who was equally dominant or can even get closer that

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Speaker 1: range forces defense is to make some really really interesting

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Speaker 1: decisions and that may either make more opportunities for DeMarcus,

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Speaker 1: more opportunities for Quinn on more opportunities for those defensive tackles.

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Speaker 1: You know what I like about this situation is you

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Speaker 1: got two pass rushers that play naturally play the position

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Speaker 1: that they're going to play. It's not like they drafted

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Speaker 1: a guy who really likes the play on the left side,

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Speaker 1: but he's gonna have to play right because d laws there.

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Speaker 1: Quinn lines up on the right. He goes up against

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Speaker 1: these left tackles all day long. Law lines up on

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Speaker 1: the left, goes up against these right tackles. It's perfect

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Speaker 1: for what they both want to do and do well.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's it's gonna fit. I think the

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Speaker 1: combination it's gonna be really good. Yeah, I completely agree

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Speaker 1: with that. For the record, I do this is as

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Speaker 1: good as the defensive end position has been in my

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Speaker 1: time here. And that's before Gregory comes back again. You know,

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Speaker 1: I did a story on Carrie Hyder last week. I

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Speaker 1: didn't realize, you know, me and Brian brought us watching

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Speaker 1: tape of him. We thought there was a chance they

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Speaker 1: brought him in here to be an under tackle, and

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Speaker 1: maybe they would have if they hadn't drafted Tristan Hill,

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Speaker 1: but they did. So they've got him playing left end

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Speaker 1: now and that's where he easily had the best season

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Speaker 1: of his career in twenty sixteen. Eight sacks for Detroit.

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Speaker 1: Just I mean, that's that's better than anybody on this

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Speaker 1: roster other than Quinn Law Quinn too, but none of

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Speaker 1: the other guy. I mean, Tyron Crawford has never gotten

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Speaker 1: that high. Gregory never got that high. Malik had five

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Speaker 1: and a half, I think, so if he can get

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Speaker 1: back to that, that's awfully enticing. I like his odds

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Speaker 1: to make this roster as part of that rotation for sure,

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Speaker 1: if my memory starts correct. When he did that, he

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Speaker 1: had talent on the other side. Yeah, so that that's

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Speaker 1: something to consider here, is that when you have the

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Speaker 1: opposite a guy on the opposite side, it really does

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Speaker 1: help out everybody on the defensive line. I mean, would

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Speaker 1: Robert Mathis have had a great career for the Colts

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Speaker 1: if you didn't play again? You know, with Dwight Freeney

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Speaker 1: it out, did the same thing. Where had Greg Ellis.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for every great defensive end you can probably

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Speaker 1: find in most of their years when they had greatness,

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00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: they had somebody that was pretty good on the opposite side.

642
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they they probably had something to

643
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: do with that, but it kind of goes hand in hand.

644
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: Two is better than one. Yeah, I still can't which

645
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: everything we just said is right, But those two freakazoids

646
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: that linebacker, they're impressive. Man. Here's the good thing. And

647
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: I actually agree with you for the record, Clinton. Well,

648
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: the good thing about these debates like that is that

649
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: you get them both. Yeah, you know, this isn't like

650
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: a quarterback we should we play this one or this one.

651
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: It's like they're both going to be good. Just proved

652
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: me wrong, prove me wrong. This is a This is

653
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: a point that I wanted to make at the back

654
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: end of the last segment, kind of going back to

655
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: my thing about takeaways, though, is like I don't know

656
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: realistically how much better you can expect them to be,

657
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe I don't set my expectations high enough.

658
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean, they were they were seventh in total defense

659
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: and sixth and scoring. That's pretty damn good. I'm obviously

660
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: they could be number one, but injuries and schemes. I mean,

661
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, great pass rushers will only average like half

662
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: a sack per game. Like, so I think about that

663
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't care about them being statistically

664
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: that much better. I want them to get the ball

665
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: back more like That's what I that would be the jump,

666
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, like that's what great defenses do on In

667
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: addition to that, what we've heard of of Chris Shard

668
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: Plea in the draft room when they were trying to

669
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: make a decision between defensive tackle and safety. Part of

670
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: that plea was, look, you give me a better pass rush.

671
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: If our pass rush is better, I feel confident at

672
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: the back end will be also better. So maybe that's

673
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: the point they go out and they get a Robert Quinn,

674
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: they drafted Tristan Hill. They feel like they have some

675
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: guys that can really get after the passer, even more

676
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: than they were able to do last year. And maybe

677
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: that gets Byron Jones those interceptions that maybe he didn't

678
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: get before. Again, quarterbacks under pressure, he's gonna make more

679
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: bad decisions Aaron throws that may create more easy opportunities

680
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: for them to get turnover. Absolutely, I'm not trying to

681
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: say that I know something Marinelli doesn't or anything like that,

682
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: but I feel like sometimes they get these pass rushers

683
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: in the center of the defense. These you know, even

684
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: though one technique they can get up the field or

685
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: a three technique, which is great, but those guys also

686
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: get gashed out of the way. And that's what If

687
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: I remember the Colts game, I just remember these guys

688
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: getting up the field, schemed out of the way, and

689
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's just these gaping holes.

690
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: So the Tristan Hill highlights that I remember that he

691
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: was just a nightmare for the center. He was all

692
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: over the quarterback. But I didn't see a lot of

693
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: the run defense in him that plays and I don't,

694
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: I don't. I'll defer to you guys. He watched a

695
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: lot more tape, but I just remember a little bit

696
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: more pass rushing plays and I want those guys that

697
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: stay home eat up those double teams. And in second nine, well,

698
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: I just Covington is a name that I've got my

699
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: eye and for that purpose. Yeah, so I was gonna

700
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: throw out Covington, But I also was going to ask

701
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: this question, what do you think about Antoine? Was obviously

702
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: last year he was another one of those guys that

703
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: was surprisingly good, was he? But but I think in

704
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: some of those instances where you were getting pushed out

705
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: of the way, he was a part of that. Do

706
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: you think he's increased his it will be better this year,

707
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: so he's not going to be pushed around like that

708
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: in those instances throwing a caveat which you know excuses,

709
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: I get it, nobody wants to hear him. He hurt

710
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: the shoulder that he had surgery on. He hurt it

711
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: during the Rams game, so I'm sure that sucked for him.

712
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: He was trying to that's like, yeah, he doesn't look

713
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: the same as he did last year. He's got a

714
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: different bad or good. Um, well, I don't know. You

715
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: just know what it looks like right now. Well for

716
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: the beach he better, But for playing football, I don't know.

717
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying he looks he looks slimmer,

718
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: but I mean, is that good in this situation. I'm

719
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: not questioned. Is he stronger. We'll find out. Well, he's so,

720
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: he had surgery, he's working his way back. He's not

721
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: part of these practices. But we actually talked to him yesterday.

722
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: I loved his response. It wasn't anything new, but I

723
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: just love his attitude because I'm I've said it a

724
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: couple of times, no disrespect toward the guy, But I

725
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: don't consider his job status as being that safe, you know,

726
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: like he's he's not this untouchable all pro starter that's

727
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be in the lineup or necessarily even have

728
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: a job at the end of training camp, in my opinion,

729
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: And I asked him about that. I was like, you know,

730
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: you were this guy a year ago. It doesn't seem

731
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: like it because you had such a good season, but like,

732
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: you know, you were trying to lose weight so you

733
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: could catch somebody's attention and make the team. And he

734
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, like you know, my mindset doesn't change.

735
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: Like people in this locker room know me a little

736
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: bit better now. But there's like three guys here that

737
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: are doing right now trying to do what I did

738
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: last year. Like there's somebody here who's hungry, who's trying

739
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: to drop weight and get in shape and take my job.

740
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: Like that's the name of the game this league. They're always,

741
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: I think he was like, they're always trying to find

742
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: your replacement always, and I recognize that, and I know

743
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, well, I like your attitude at

744
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: least you know, you don't want to be and I

745
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: say this with respect to him, but you don't want

746
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: to be lucky Whitehead. You know, because a guy that

747
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: just kind of oh, he comes in, he does some

748
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: good things like wow, this is great, and then you know,

749
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: and he loved the camera, love doing all the fun

750
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: things and because his personality is great, but like if

751
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: you don't keep it going and you care too much

752
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: about this other stuff, then you're not going to be around.

753
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: And so I love that that answer, Well that was

754
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: kind of my thing too, as I was like, I like,

755
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: I like that, you know this, Like I like that

756
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: you understand what it's going to take. Joe Looney's on

757
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: the team because he's a really good versatile center guard.

758
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: That's why he's on the team. All this other stuff,

759
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: National Doughnut Day, all this stuff, that's great. Ha ha.

760
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 1: He's on the team because he's a really good player

761
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: and he's worked his butt off to do that. And

762
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, I think sees that and yeah, you know

763
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: you can be We did a play. We'll show it

764
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: um you know later this summer on our series of

765
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: Tale of the Tape where Brian brought us sits down

766
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: with these players and and does you know they go

767
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: through a play on the tape. It was really good.

768
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: And the one for Jalen Smith he makes it runs

769
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: down to Shaun Watson and it makes a great play.

770
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: But Antoine Woods is right there running stride for stride too,

771
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: and it's like this guy that size can make a

772
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: play like that, he can play ten years in this

773
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: league if he can, If he can play like that.

774
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: So he's got he's got a lot of upside too.

775
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: Going back to what Dave said, I think defensive tackle

776
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: position probably is a position of anyone on this defense

777
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: that what we think right now can drastically change by

778
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: the time you get to week one of the NFL season.

779
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: Who knows who will be the starter, who knows will

780
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: be in the who will be in the rotation. You

781
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: got a couple of guys in there, the Vets who

782
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: were only one year left under deals, and you got

783
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are coming in. Hell's the

784
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: only guy on this team with multiple years on his deal. Yep,

785
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: that's exactly. So defensive tackle is a position that that

786
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: we'll be watching very very close to when we get

787
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: out to Oxnard, because it is a position that could

788
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: change quite a bit as we go through those practices.

789
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: I guarantee you, before we went to training camp, we'd

790
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: never said Antoine's name on this show, right, Or if

791
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: we did, it was because me and Nick were looking

792
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: at the roster like Antoine Woods is here, like he

793
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, he got here in May eighteenth fix. Yeah, exactly.

794
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm glad that it wasn't just because

795
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: of Travis Frederick's condition. You know, we didn't know it

796
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: back then, and the way that he was beating Travis

797
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: Fredrick was like that was what caught everyone's eyes and

798
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: started hearing, Oh, who's this guy Antoine Woods. But then

799
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: later on you find out, oh, Travis is dealing with this,

800
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: and then you started questioning it, well, how good is he? Actually?

801
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: Like is he? But he was able to show it

802
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: throughout the season and show it up. But when you

803
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: start talking about the line, a lot of these guys,

804
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 1: hopefully they're able to come back healthy because you had

805
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: plenty of injuries. They are guys that were playing throughout injuries.

806
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: So we'll see at what level they come back. That's

807
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: probably the biggest thing. I don't you know, on paper,

808
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: this defense looks a lot better than it was last year,

809
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of guys dealing with stuff, some

810
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: that aren't serious. But I mean, you know Byron Jones

811
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: is he's aiming to come back at training camp. We

812
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: don't know. DeMarcus is kind of the same. I don't

813
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: expect we'll see a ton of him until the season. Yeah,

814
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: and in Oxnard Layton is working his way back this week,

815
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: but he's dealing with a pelvic issue. I feel like

816
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting somebody to antoine. There you go, Yeah, so

817
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: what how many starters did I just name for? You?

818
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: Had my league calling he's always dealing with which actually,

819
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: he's been healthy so far this spring and he's looked good,

820
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: he says. But last year it was like back to

821
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: back one of the it was like switch legs. He's

822
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: had a hard time staying. You guys would all worry

823
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: about Layton from standpoint of health because last year there

824
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: were a lot of just little things. It seemed like

825
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: to me like it was always something that seemed like

826
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: he was kind of nursing and and now you talk

827
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: about the pelvic issue he has. Are you at all

828
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: concerned about even a little bit? He he heard his

829
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: like growing in training camp and it held him out

830
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: for a while. My memory suck, Like what else happened?

831
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: I thought during the season he had a some kind

832
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: of foot or something. Well, yeah, there's a time where

833
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: he was kind of limping off the fat. I mean,

834
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, you get in a car right forty times

835
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: a game. I mean that's what happens. I mean, these

836
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: middle linebackers, it's we kind of you know, joke about

837
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: the Sean Lee thing unfairly really, but I mean all

838
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: those linebackers the best in the league. I mean, that's

839
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: what separates you from being an All Pro. Linebackers are

840
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: being just to go. The guys that are just durable. Yeah,

841
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm sure you know, I know Luke

842
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: Keekley seems like he stays hurt a lot too. You know,

843
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: it's hard. I mean, linebacker is a hard position to

844
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: play and stay healthy. It's it's the running back of

845
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: the defense, like you just get brutalized. That's I mean.

846
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: I saw Navarro Bowman just retired with the Niners a

847
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: couple of days ago and say like he was incredible

848
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: for like, I don't know, three years. He was it

849
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: only three years, that's exactly. He was in the same

850
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: draft to class as lead. I don't know, was he

851
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: as good. I'm just well, I'm talking his peak, like

852
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, when him and Willis were there and they

853
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: were just unreal, like amazing. It couldn't have been longer

854
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: than like four years because then he started dealing with injuries. Obviously,

855
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Speaker 1: you know, the most as good as he was, like

856
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: the thing, he's going to be associated with for the

857
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Speaker 1: rest of his life is blowing his knee out in

858
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: that playoff game. So it's it's a tough position to play.

859
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: It just is. But remember him having any major I

860
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: need to see, and it was anything major it was.

861
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: It was just those kind of things where you know,

862
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: some players they never missed games, but it's always kind

863
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: of these little nagging things. And it's just kind of

864
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: though he was on that rehab thing, like because I

865
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: would be trying to get him to do the show

866
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: No Last and he would spend hours getting rehab, getting massages,

867
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: this treatment, that treat didn't want He just didn't want

868
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: to talk to you. That's all. Watching on the show,

869
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: I realized why he didn't want to do it. He

870
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: was really terrible. It wasn't very comfortable, It wasn't very

871
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll be better this year. I need to see

872
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: a larger sample size of him being hurt before I

873
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: think he's got an injury because he played well, you know,

874
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: in all those games. So yeah, I think that's the

875
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: nature of the position. And if I remember, you know,

876
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: even back to Brady James, I think there was time

877
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: so they put Brady James on Wednesdays where he was at.

878
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's just the position. I mean, wasn't Kevin

879
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: Burnett kind of like that when that his like he

880
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: didn't miss a lot of games, but he was always

881
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: had something that he was nursing because he was always

882
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: getting banged up. All right, let's take our final break

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Speaker 1: of the final show before we head to training camp.

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Speaker 1: This is the break Life on the SWBC Morts videos.

925
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: At the start, we've been talking about the defense. Who

926
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: want to get some questions and comments from you guys?

927
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: Call us at eighty two two nine seven. You can

928
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: also hit us on Twitter at Cowboys Break and But

929
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: let's start with some questions from Twitter. What do you have? Well?

930
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: I see some people wondering if we're expecting to see

931
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: any more player editions before training camp at some big position.

932
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: Somebody asked me about that on Twitter a week or

933
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: two ago. And typically if they do that, they do

934
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: they They have been known to like switch it up

935
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: when all of this is over, like nine OTA's three

936
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: day mini camp. You watch the tape, you're you're do

937
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: an honest assessment and if there's somebody they're not thrilled about.

938
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: I remember, I think our guy Ryan Williams. You remember,

939
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: you know, the running, you know, the his hype train

940
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: wasn't as big as the Kristen Michael hype train, but

941
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: he had some hype, and they just like unceremoniously cut

942
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: him like two days before we left for Oxnard and

943
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: brought somebody else in. So they could, I mean, didn't

944
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: they worked out a guy yesterday after practice fullback. I

945
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: just think I don't think so, yes, they could. It's

946
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: just not going to be anything that right, it won't

947
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: be anybody in sexy If that's it ain't gonna be.

948
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: Is there a sexy player? Is there anybody out there

949
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: that's still a free agent at any position the Cowboys

950
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: could actually use that would be worth picking up? I

951
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: you know, I we already said I would have gone

952
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: after Gerald McCoy. They didn't. I can't think of a

953
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: ton of other you know, Ziggy Ansa signed forgot where

954
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: he signed. Zig Ziggy is with Seattle. McCoy. McCoy is

955
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: in Carolina also went to Seattle as in Seattle. McCoy's

956
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: in Carolina. Sue is in Tampa. Eric Berry, They're not

957
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Speaker 1: going to do that. They're sorry, that ain't happening. I

958
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: suspect here in the next few months, we're probably gonna

959
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: hear that Eric Berry is doing a press conference or retire.

960
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 1: It's what I would say, what I would guess would

961
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: not surprise me. Um other than that, Yeah, I mean,

962
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, maybe, you know, if if one of these

963
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: wide receivers just didn't impress him or something like that,

964
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: maybe they might bring in a guy. You know, Lance

965
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: Lenore joined late a couple of years ago. But it

966
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: ain't ain't gonna be anything super noteworthy at this point.

967
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: The next time you would expect to see names that

968
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: you would know that are even available would be once

969
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: you get to training camp and get out of training camp,

970
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: when teams start making cuts. Yeah, you notoriously will have

971
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: some veterans that will hit the street and then it

972
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: will be an option of whether the Cowboys at that

973
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: point I want to go out and get them. But

974
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: rarely do you find those kind of guys at this

975
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: point of the year. Not to say they won't sign somebody,

976
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: but just find somebody at this time of the year.

977
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Speaker 1: Let's take a call from Trade in Mississippi Trade. What up? Hey,

978
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: how you guys doing today? Right? All right, So I've

979
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: got a couple of things about the defense, and I'll

980
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: ask you guys. One, I think a lot of people

981
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: is kind of buried Georgia Locu down the depth chart,

982
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: and I think I think maybe Christia Shark could do

983
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: something with him that maybe he hasn't been used before.

984
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: I think it's a mistake to look at what a

985
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: player has done up until this point. You got to

986
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: look at how they've been used also, and I think

987
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: that we might use a little different than he's been used,

988
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: and that might play into his size and everything. And also,

989
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: do you guys think that there's potential for us to

990
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: have a really interesting sort of NASCAR package along the

991
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: dua with all the speed that we have, even if

992
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: we got so much depth at the end, we could

993
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: kick Dall inside on a couple pass rushes and have

994
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: Maleek Collins dlall. Then you know you got Door jarn Strong,

995
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: Robert Claid and maybe Randy if he comes back. I

996
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: just kind of want to hear what you guys think

997
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: about that. Thank you, guys, love the show. I'm playing

998
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: up the lizards you know, love both of those questions. Yeah,

999
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: good questions. Start with the last one first, because the

1000
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: thing about that is you have a really good pass

1001
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: rusher in DeMarcus Lawrence, one of the one of the

1002
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: best in the league. Obviously, playing him inside, I mean,

1003
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: that's not where he's making his money. That's not what

1004
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: you're paying him for. So I get the notion, But

1005
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: to me, I want my best players doing what they

1006
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: do well. We'll figure out the defensive tackle part there.

1007
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: But I just remember the touchdown against in the Seattle game,

1008
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: the first time there was a deep ball. I remember

1009
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: just thinking, why is he playing on inside just so

1010
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: they could get Taco on the field and all that. Like,

1011
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't love that. I don't love that at all.

1012
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: I don't need dorn tom Strong on the field for

1013
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: that reason. I want Quinn on the outside and d

1014
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: law on the outside, and we'll figure out some guys

1015
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: that can rush in the middle. I think, I agree.

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00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but like throw in, throw Tyrone

1017
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: in their attackles. Maybe you know Tristan Hill looks athletic

1018
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: as hell when he rushes the passer on his UCF tape,

1019
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: So that's where maybe, yeah, which Hyder's not working at

1020
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: tackle right now, but Rod Marinelli said that he could

1021
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: once he gets a little more acclimated. There's no shortage

1022
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: of guys that can do both, so you know, college

1023
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: teams do that all the time and it's so much fun.

1024
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: So I would I would love to see. Yeah, and

1025
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't mean this in any disrespect to d Law.

1026
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: I just haven't seen it yet. But when JPP was

1027
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,959
Speaker 1: really doing his thing, when he was all over the place,

1028
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: you blind him aforet those tackles. I just haven't seen

1029
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: d Law do that to that kind of effective. Yeah,

1030
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: we did get a peep of that last year during

1031
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: training camp. If you remember, there were a few days

1032
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Speaker 1: during practice when they let him line up all across

1033
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,479
Speaker 1: the line, so basically as they're doing one on ones,

1034
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: they would line him up a defensive end. In the

1035
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: next rotation, he'd be a defensive tackle, and he'd go

1036
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Speaker 1: all the way down the line and go up against

1037
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: every offensive lineman on the first team and fair pretty well.

1038
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Speaker 1: The only guy I don't think he beat was zech

1039
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: I if my memory serves correct, but they did. We

1040
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: did get a peep of that and seeing him kind

1041
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: of move around a little bit as for Iloca. I'm

1042
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: gonna guess Trey listen to the comments he made last week,

1043
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: because if he didn't, he's he's really perceptive, at least

1044
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: because Iloka talked to the media a week ago and

1045
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: was like, I love this scheme. You know the defenses

1046
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: I played him before. You know, they asked me to

1047
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: play fifteen twenty yards back. The Cowboys want me more

1048
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: up in the box. I think that'll suit me better.

1049
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with him. I mean, the dude

1050
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: is six three, he is all arms and legs. Man,

1051
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of especially for somebody as short as me,

1052
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: it's weird to be around him. Like he's his legs

1053
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: are just enormous. So in my elementary mind, I'm like, well, yeah,

1054
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: like if you're you know, down in the box where

1055
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: there's less space, like that'll probably suit you better. I

1056
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: don't you know, like wacky waving inflatable tube man out

1057
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: there trying to play in space. I don't know how

1058
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: great of an idea that is. So I liked the

1059
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: thought of him being in the box. And the other

1060
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: thing he said what he said, my goal is to

1061
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: have the best year of my career. While I went

1062
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: and looked back at his career. He had eighty tackles

1063
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: in three picks with you know, eight or ten pass

1064
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: deflections in two separate years, which maybe that's not all pro,

1065
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: but that's that's better than what we've seen from the

1066
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: safety position for a long time. So if he's better

1067
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: than that, then it would be noteworthy. When he was

1068
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: out there last year, I think all of us on

1069
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: this show were like, hey, go get him, bring him

1070
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: in here. That think that was what middle of the

1071
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: season or so when when he was out there on

1072
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: the street. So yeah, he's certainly got some skill, no

1073
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: doubt about it. I you know, I don't want to

1074
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: take credit away from Jeff Heath because I drive that bandwagon.

1075
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: I think he's better than a lot of people want

1076
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: to give him credit for. But the other thing is too,

1077
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: is you know, his comfort in the scheme, his dependability

1078
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: with the coaches, that stuff matters. So I think I

1079
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: Loca is going to have to be significantly better to

1080
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: just take that job away. Like maybe we'll see him

1081
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: in a platoon situation where they're using three safeties, but

1082
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: if he's just straight up going to be the every

1083
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: down strong safety, I don't think he can just be

1084
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: like the same as Heath, you know what I mean,

1085
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: because they'll defer to Heath like he's gonna have to

1086
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: just blow everybody away with how much better he is.

1087
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: Gotta beat him. All right, let's take a call from

1088
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: Tim and Boston. Tim, Hey, guys, thanks taking my call.

1089
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: He appreciate it. A couple quick points. First, one is

1090
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: how long do you think it's going to take. We're

1091
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: all cautiously optimistic about the new look offense and things

1092
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: are they're going to be implementing, but how long do

1093
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: you realistically think that it's going to take as far

1094
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: as games before we start seeing dividends from that? And

1095
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: the second thing is I might be the the only one

1096
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: that's a little nervous about a backup quarterback. Ah, I

1097
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: apologize if y'all covered it earlier. I'm a little late

1098
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: to the show today, but I am very nervous. We've

1099
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: been very lucky, Dak's been a stud knock on wood,

1100
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: he's been healthy, but well nervous about that spot. So

1101
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: I'll hang up and let y'all talk about it. Thanks,

1102
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. And here's the thing, I'm pretty

1103
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: sure that that he Tim did not watch the tape

1104
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: from yesterday's practice, because if he did, he would be nervous.

1105
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: Not just a little nervous, he'd be very nervous. No,

1106
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: you're not the only one. You're not the only one

1107
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, those guys don't look capable really

1108
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: and and they haven't had haven't had to be right now.

1109
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: But but no, they don't look that good right now. Um,

1110
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: they don't. And that might be a product of this

1111
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: first question, which you know he just said, is he

1112
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: gonna take some time and all that. But see, Dak

1113
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: looks pretty good, you know that. I mean, I think

1114
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: he's had a really nice offseason. He throws the ball better.

1115
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: I think you can see a difference here with doing

1116
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: Kellen and Kitnah so far, we'll see that. Nobody's screaming

1117
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: off the edge to tackle him yet. But I think

1118
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: he looks good. But but yeah, the second part of that,

1119
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the worst part is being in at these

1120
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: practices like where you would expect them to be okay

1121
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: and like look better during this time because you're not

1122
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: really playing real football or anything, getting actually to the quarterback.

1123
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: So it's just it was bad what I saw yesterday

1124
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: from Cooper was bad, Like he would get out of

1125
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: the pocket and start running around not knowing what the

1126
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: heck to do out there, Like he I don't know,

1127
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: his conscious like awareness of the field and where each

1128
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: guy is supposed to be is just not not even there.

1129
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: There's nothing that he does that you just you know,

1130
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: we're always talking about traits. He just doesn't have any

1131
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: traits that you just watch in practice and go, oh,

1132
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: look at that arm or you know, he's somewhat mobile,

1133
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: but not he's not winning any races or anything like that.

1134
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: And your presence, you know, pocket presence, and it just

1135
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't look There was a play we had three

1136
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: interceptions from him yesterday, but there was another play where

1137
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: there was a safety coming right off the edge and

1138
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: I think it was West you maybe, and he was

1139
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: looking looking over here. Easy sack he would have been,

1140
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, he would have killed. I mean just this

1141
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: guy coming in and he didn't even look at him.

1142
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: So like, his awareness to me is not where it

1143
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: needs to be right now. The pick that Donovan Wilson

1144
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: pick was like it was the last play of two minutes,

1145
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: so I mean, the game's over, and it was a

1146
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: great play by Donovan Wilson. He just so that one

1147
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: doesn't concern me, but he threw a pick six to

1148
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: Donovan Alumba and another pick to Joe Thomas, where I

1149
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: was like, you didn't even see that guy even know

1150
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: he was there, which that's always troubling. And Mike White

1151
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: just hasn't It's not like he's much better right now.

1152
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: So the problem is I don't know that the Cowboys

1153
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: are gonna be interested in going out and finding somebody

1154
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: else to replace them, And so what you really have

1155
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: to hope is working with John Kitten through an entire

1156
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: training camp, you start to see one of these guys

1157
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: get better, because no, you know, the hope is that

1158
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott just keeps being healthy, very healthy, very terry,

1159
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: very very healthy. But but any event they have to play,

1160
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: I think that's your next best option because I don't

1161
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: know that the Cowboys have shown it, and I don't

1162
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: know if there's really anybody out there you want to

1163
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: go get. We know they hate going to get big names,

1164
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: but like, who's even there, right, who's even who's there?

1165
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: Didn't con Cook get cut? Yeah? Yeah, Connor Cook who

1166
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: has three hundred career passy offseason that ain't great, want

1167
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: me you want cut in June? Pull them Mickey. Yeah. Sure.

1168
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago we were at two thousand and four,

1169
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: we were saying same things about these two backups Drew

1170
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: Henson and this guy Romo. Romo is terrible, like he

1171
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: is terrible, and and you know, luckily Quincy and Vinny

1172
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: are here, but uh and they sign but luck yeah,

1173
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: luckily we got these guys. So but but Romo's terrible.

1174
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: Oh wait, they cut Quincy. Okay, well they have to

1175
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: cut this guy, I mean, because he is absolutely awful. Um,

1176
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: we've seen he doesn't even play flag football very well.

1177
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: With these guys. Yeah. So um, I'm just saying it

1178
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: was it was the shock of all shocks to think

1179
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: that god Tony Romo is going to be the face

1180
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, but that's that's so far fetched.

1181
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: I understand all that happened twice, I get it, I

1182
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: said three times, maybe because Dak looked like crap in practice.

1183
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: But Dak wasn't as much of a long shot as Tony,

1184
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't think. And Mike White wouldn't be as much

1185
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: of a long shot as Tony either, he was drafted.

1186
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there was a point in time where

1187
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: the thought of Tony Romo was worse than Mike White.

1188
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: Nick made a really funny point yesterday, like, I don't

1189
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: I might be wrong. I don't even think there is

1190
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: a veteran, you know, journeyman out there that would get

1191
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: people interested. But if there was, you would have to

1192
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: pay him like quadruple Dak's salary to come here. Yeah,

1193
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: because he knows he's not playing well. Because because quarterbacks

1194
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: have money, that's what the veteran makes. Like if you

1195
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: were going to bring in Ryan Fitzpatrick, I mean, he's

1196
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: not available, But if you were going to sign a

1197
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: guy like that, you would have to pay him so

1198
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: much more than what Dak is making. Yes, I agree

1199
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: with that, you would just because of how much Dak,

1200
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: how little Dak makes. Yes. So so it doesn't mean

1201
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean it's not doable. Though I think

1202
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: I didn't say it wasn't perception that what you said.

1203
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: The perception of what you said is is gonna cost

1204
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: you a ton of money. It's not gonna really cost

1205
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: you a ton of money. It's just going to cost

1206
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: you more than you're cheaply paying you. It's understood me completely.

1207
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be a ton of money in the grand

1208
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: scheme of things at all. It would just be enormously

1209
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: more than what Dak makes because he's the most underpaid

1210
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: player in the league. Yeah, it looks embarrassing, and you know,

1211
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,479
Speaker 1: get that deal done, like Dad, I just Dak would

1212
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: just be looking at this guy like really. But I

1213
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: have hard time thinking they're going to enter this season

1214
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: with Dak making the money he's making. I have a

1215
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: hard time believing. We'll see, We'll see, but I have

1216
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: a hard time believing that. I don't. I this is

1217
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: what it is. The backup, the back position is troubling,

1218
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: but I don't. I mean, here's what's gonna happen. It's

1219
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: gonna be like a Monday and it's gonna training camp.

1220
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: Like we've seen this before. You're like they've had like

1221
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: seven practice in row or off today. What are y'all doing? Like,

1222
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: I get this done and then um all day I'm like,

1223
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: wait what they just signed back? Here we go. You

1224
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: know what's what I'm scared of. And I hope it

1225
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, and I hope that does stay healthy. But

1226
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: remember when we were talking about Tyren Smith and his

1227
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: injury and then not doing something because they already knew

1228
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: he was dealing with the injury. They needed a backup

1229
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: that was good enough, and then you had um what's

1230
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: his name? Uh that that happens screen job. By the way,

1231
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: just sign this guy. It's amazing. At least two it's crazy.

1232
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: But I just hope that that there is not a

1233
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: scenario like that where we go into the season, something

1234
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: happens and then we're like, well, we talked about the

1235
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: backup quarterback the whole off season and they knew about it,

1236
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: they saw the tape that they didn't do crap about it,

1237
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: and look where we're at now. But that's also the

1238
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: problem is that the argument can be made anybody that

1239
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: would have been available to them this offseason or even

1240
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: right now, if we you'd still be like, Okay, Dack

1241
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: went down. I don't know what you're going to really

1242
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: expect from this team at that point, larn mccount or

1243
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: something one of them. Yeah, go get Luke again, somebody.

1244
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: All right, guys, I appreciate you joining us. We are

1245
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: we appreciate you join us this whole offseason. It's been

1246
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: a fun offseason. We'll be back at the opening of

1247
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: training camp. We're gonna be back that day here before

1248
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 1: we know it makes you join us, stand for Nick,

1249
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: even Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton. This has

1250
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

1251
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,720
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