Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode seventy five of the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1: We had John Mayor on the show last week and
Speaker 1: he came by and we talked for an hour, and
Speaker 1: so we put it all out here for you, completely
Speaker 1: unedited for radio purposes. We had to like take some
Speaker 1: segments and put them on the air for radio. But
Speaker 1: this is all of the hours, so and so I
Speaker 1: wanted to give it to you. I'm a huge John
Speaker 1: Mayor fan, so for me it was cool. But this
Speaker 1: is episode seventy five. It's John Mayer on myself, and
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Speaker 1: Show all right, John Mayer and Studio, Hey, dude, how
Speaker 1: are you? Dude? Thanks for coming to appreciate that. Thank
Speaker 1: you for supporting this record in the song and giving
Speaker 1: me an opportunity to come in. You know, I guess
Speaker 1: we can start this. We were talking yesterday. The last
Speaker 1: concert that I paid money to go to was your show.
Speaker 1: I saw you in Minneapolis and we went up and
Speaker 1: watch that show. And I can't go tonight and night.
Speaker 1: You're like three blocks down the road where you can't
Speaker 1: afford it. I can't. I spent money I'm doing. I'm
Speaker 1: at the Opera tonight, so yeah, I can't come and listen.
Speaker 1: There's always a cool reason not to come to my
Speaker 1: show because someone has a show of their own. That's
Speaker 1: the best reason not to come. So I hope everybody
Speaker 1: goes the whole thing school. You did the show in chapters, yeah,
Speaker 1: and kind of breaking it up a little bit. Same
Speaker 1: thing with your music. Talk about that for a second,
Speaker 1: because I enjoyed how you put out the songs and waves,
Speaker 1: meaning I got to enjoy four songs at a time. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: as a music listener myself, I was starting to feel
Speaker 1: the experience of listening to new music change, where like
Speaker 1: I wasn't listening to records anymore. I was listening to
Speaker 1: what was thrown at the top of like if you've
Speaker 1: got Spotify placement or if you've got like the Apple
Speaker 1: Store placement. I would listen to those things. I'd listen
Speaker 1: to what was in memes, I'd listen to. But I
Speaker 1: wasn't really listening to records, you know, and the records
Speaker 1: that came out by artists that I loved. What's sort
Speaker 1: of like you'd hear about it for a second and
Speaker 1: then it would kind of disappear, and I go, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a shame, is that anything? And then you hear
Speaker 1: the record, You're like, this record is great, and so
Speaker 1: all this great music sort of slipping through the cracks,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I knew how hard that not
Speaker 1: just I had worked, but how hard people around me
Speaker 1: had worked on this record. It's not necessarily anymore like
Speaker 1: this endeavor where I'm trying to get my name out there.
Speaker 1: But when you see people who are staying in the
Speaker 1: studio longer than I am, and I'm in the studio
Speaker 1: for hours a day, and the fact that there are
Speaker 1: people who I work with who are there an hour
Speaker 1: and a half before me, in an hour and a
Speaker 1: half after me, you want to you want to do
Speaker 1: it in service to those guys, you know, and in
Speaker 1: terms of getting the record out and making sure people
Speaker 1: see it and making sure people understand what it is
Speaker 1: you made. And the idea became like, well, what if
Speaker 1: it came out the way like the way television is
Speaker 1: going to Netflix and everyone's sort of putting the whole
Speaker 1: season up all at once. What if records just switched
Speaker 1: places with it, and it was like, take four songs,
Speaker 1: get used to it, get your head around it. Here's
Speaker 1: another four get used to because I knew each song
Speaker 1: was really important, and twelve is a funny number to
Speaker 1: consume now, you know, Like, hey, I want you to
Speaker 1: watch twelve with these, you know what I mean when
Speaker 1: someone's like, someone's like, oh, you're gonna love that series,
Speaker 1: but you gotta get through the first six. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to make it a little more easily consumable, and
Speaker 1: I think it worked in the sense that people felt
Speaker 1: really familiar with the record by the time I got
Speaker 1: on the road. Yeah, I did for me because I
Speaker 1: was able to consume the songs and spend time with
Speaker 1: four of them instead of going, here's the entire dinner,
Speaker 1: Like I got to eat a little bit of the
Speaker 1: clisser on a little bit of chicken, and so I
Speaker 1: enjoyed the songs because of that. And I'm not even
Speaker 1: an album guy anymore, Like when someone puts out a
Speaker 1: whole album, I don't have time, Like that's not the
Speaker 1: leading songs. I mean, I'm like, you know, and then
Speaker 1: I don't listen to it three times. That's the thing
Speaker 1: I mean, if that. But that's a lot of great
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of great stuff. You think
Speaker 1: that like the more stuff there is, the worse it becomes,
Speaker 1: But it's actually the other way, Like everything's really cool
Speaker 1: right now. There's a lot of great music. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of great movies. There's a lot of great podcasts.
Speaker 1: By the way, everybody has a podcast I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: listen to, and it's all great, But I just it's
Speaker 1: very difficult to find these slots in your life to
Speaker 1: get that in, you know, into your world, and so
Speaker 1: it for me. It helped also because I could like,
Speaker 1: this record was so big for me to get out
Speaker 1: the door that I had to break it down into
Speaker 1: four parts just to get it out. What do you
Speaker 1: mean so big to get out that it took forever
Speaker 1: to mix it too, you know, the record was in
Speaker 1: suspended animation for quite a while. That was the only
Speaker 1: challenge in this record was that the songs had been
Speaker 1: opened for two years. I mean I was listening to
Speaker 1: two files that were two years old, you know by
Speaker 1: the time this record came out. So putting it out
Speaker 1: in waves allowed me to finish it in waves too.
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't all done with it and was like,
Speaker 1: let's just put four out at a time. I was like,
Speaker 1: I got four for you now, so let's hear this
Speaker 1: one here. Why I start with this one. It was
Speaker 1: the first one that was done, No, it was it
Speaker 1: was the first so I had played a little bit
Speaker 1: of cat and mouse with people for a bunch of
Speaker 1: different reasons, and some of it I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: be as evasive musically as I became, and I felt
Speaker 1: like this was the song that was like, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: not gone talked up to the post like a good
Speaker 1: radio guy, right up to the post. You ever tried
Speaker 1: to do that? You ever hop in and try to
Speaker 1: do the radio thing where you talk up to song ramps? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do it in the car? Oh you do if
Speaker 1: a song comes on you just you see how hard
Speaker 1: I hit that? Can you do your own? Give me
Speaker 1: any one of them, I'll do it, okay, any one
Speaker 1: of your songs. I'll talk right up to the post.
Speaker 1: All right, I mean here, let's go back to your
Speaker 1: first ever. Here we go, ready, three to and it's
Speaker 1: something kind of temperature time out there in Nashville today,
Speaker 1: sitting in the studio with John Mayer. Been a while
Speaker 1: since he's been here with us. We're gonna talk to
Speaker 1: him right after this. But this is a song from
Speaker 1: his very first record. It's no such a thing by
Speaker 1: John Mayor. Check it out. No, yeah, like three seconds loud.
Speaker 1: But that that was where there was going to be
Speaker 1: a church John, Oh, you're get an imaging? All right?
Speaker 1: Have I tried it? Though? That was good? All right,
Speaker 1: pretty close you did. How about what if I really
Speaker 1: knew the temperature? Though? It would have been if you
Speaker 1: had nailed the temperature. Yeah, improv to the temperature. Whenever,
Speaker 1: when recording this record, do you have like Steve and
Speaker 1: Piano record with you or do you just bring them
Speaker 1: out and play? Uh? I would write as much as
Speaker 1: I could and have them come and then kind of
Speaker 1: flesh out the tunes, and then when we were done
Speaker 1: with that, I'd be like, hey, stay around for an
Speaker 1: hour or two, and then we kind of do this
Speaker 1: thing called free play, which is where you set up
Speaker 1: and you know, you take I take advantage of being
Speaker 1: able to jam with those guys any time they're around,
Speaker 1: So we set up like I set up to Mike,
Speaker 1: let's try something, and for an hour or two I
Speaker 1: try to find something in the universe with those guys
Speaker 1: in the same room. But most of the time it's
Speaker 1: uh me writing something getting good enough to where they
Speaker 1: can come in and play on it, and then they're
Speaker 1: pretty much the finishing touches on it. It seemed to
Speaker 1: me having gone to a show, and I think I've
Speaker 1: been to I mean, I'll show you my nerdiness little.
Speaker 1: I think I've been a fifteen Mayor show. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been around them in the shows. So I'm a pretty
Speaker 1: big fan than you are. You welcome free, though I
Speaker 1: didn't pay for many of the tickets, Like Lee, is
Speaker 1: that since what Lee two thousand three or four you've
Speaker 1: been hooking me up? Why did you pay for the
Speaker 1: one in Minneapolis? Because well, I didn't pay for the tickets,
Speaker 1: but I flew up there and paid for the trip.
Speaker 1: And then he was like, I get your tickets. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: I got it better. I get better seats. All the
Speaker 1: truth comes out, I bought worse seats and then he
Speaker 1: gave me a front row seats. He weren't standing outside
Speaker 1: the Coconuts record store, That's true, I wasn't. So okay,
Speaker 1: Back to Michael, what my question? You were explaining that
Speaker 1: you have you look the happiest when you're playing in
Speaker 1: the trio during this show, any trip to that, um probably, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a freedom to that that. Nobody's really quite sure
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. Three super capable guys who aren't
Speaker 1: who didn't talk about what they were going to do
Speaker 1: before they got on stage to do it. Uh, so
Speaker 1: anybody could start it. Sometimes I'll just stand there and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're just here, Okay, Steve starting it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's the it's like total freedom. Also,
Speaker 1: it's like you can kind of embrace the fact that
Speaker 1: that's what that band is. You don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about whether it's going to be whether you're playing a
Speaker 1: song that people know from the radio, or whether you're
Speaker 1: playing it whether people are tired of hearing this or
Speaker 1: whether they want to hear that they're kind of resigned to. Like,
Speaker 1: you're playing three songs with this power trio that they're
Speaker 1: probably not going to really totally know unless they're like
Speaker 1: super fans. So I have fun in that freedom for
Speaker 1: three songs. It's like, look, you're gonna get this super
Speaker 1: powerful blues trio thing. I was thinking about Marty McFly
Speaker 1: saying like, you might not understand that, but your kids
Speaker 1: are gonna love it. That's how I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: back to Change the Sea Dance. There are times I
Speaker 1: look out into the crowd and I see some of
Speaker 1: the people who are not totally initiated into the blues
Speaker 1: rock thing. And I feel like I'm Marty McFly at
Speaker 1: the Enchantment Out of the Sea dance in nineteen fifty five,
Speaker 1: and they don't. They probably don't get who Marty McFly
Speaker 1: is either. At the same they would also a shame.
Speaker 1: That would be I hope, I hope it becomes a
Speaker 1: Citizen Kane reference in the next ten fifteen years, good
Speaker 1: back to the future reference. If it's not understood. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure we have a connection. John Mayor's here now.
Speaker 1: So I'm buds with the guys from the Zach Brown
Speaker 1: Band and Clay Cook and oh and I know the story.
Speaker 1: But you and Clay were Berkeley together and Clay was like,
Speaker 1: you know, let's move down to Atlanta. And you and
Speaker 1: Clay kind of had a duo together from you all right, yep,
Speaker 1: that's how we started. That's how I started right out
Speaker 1: of college, was playing in an acoustic duo. And so
Speaker 1: you move down to Atlanta, and so why at Lanta
Speaker 1: of all places? He had Clay had family in Atlanta
Speaker 1: and said, I think we can do and he said
Speaker 1: there was a great music scene down there, which he
Speaker 1: was absolutely right. He did have family, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: long about either family and a music scene. So we
Speaker 1: moved down there and just started doing open mic nights
Speaker 1: and writing and you know, he that's how I got
Speaker 1: my start in music was following him down to Atlanta.
Speaker 1: We lived in Snellville, Georgia. Are you on the radio?
Speaker 1: And Snaillville, Georgia where everybody's somebody that's the that's the
Speaker 1: catchphrase for that snail like the snail the bug or
Speaker 1: snell but it's pronounced snail Ville, but it's Snellville, S
Speaker 1: and E L L. So you guys moved to Atlanta
Speaker 1: and you ride a lot of things together. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: wrote of we had we had, we had written you know,
Speaker 1: five six songs at that point, we're still trying to
Speaker 1: put it all together. So you guys decided to go
Speaker 1: your own different way. Is that big decision for you too? Yes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well no one's ever cared about this. Yeah. Uh, falling out.
Speaker 1: We had a falling out creatively, did you part of it?
Speaker 1: That was part of it? Uh? The part that I
Speaker 1: can attest to. Um said, I have pretty pretty big feet,
Speaker 1: pretty strong head. I don't think anybody could have been
Speaker 1: in a duo with me at that time. That's the
Speaker 1: part that I can take responsibility for is that I
Speaker 1: probably wasn't extremely collaborative. I was, Uh yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think I was a strong group worker. Well
Speaker 1: were your roles and that duo, because everybody's got the
Speaker 1: role inside of a team. He was and still is
Speaker 1: hyper musical, incredible musical mind. Um and we were also
Speaker 1: by the way, completely we're really good friends now. I
Speaker 1: mean we are a pure closeness. There's these are two
Speaker 1: kids where the stars of their town, the musical stars
Speaker 1: of their town, coming together, obviously seeing something in one
Speaker 1: another that they identify with making music together, but never
Speaker 1: having really given over to someone else. I probably shouldn't
Speaker 1: have two really strong solo kind of mindsets coming together
Speaker 1: to collaborate. And where I think if you're if you're
Speaker 1: still going, well it doesn't add up. Uh put me
Speaker 1: in his life as a guest, and it gets a
Speaker 1: little strange. It's like two people sharing a birthday, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like he I was, I entered his entire social life,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think there was an identity thing
Speaker 1: of like wait, what's mine and what's yours? And again
Speaker 1: taking responsibility for it. Um, I have very big shoes.
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily subtle, especially at that age. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to mess around with young John. You don't want
Speaker 1: to mess around nineteen year old John Mayor who just
Speaker 1: figured out that the world is bendable and he's out
Speaker 1: to just destroy it. You know. So you decided to
Speaker 1: move to California, like to make it well. I I had,
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, like most of my team came out of
Speaker 1: that time in Atlanta, you know. And then I moved
Speaker 1: to New York, and then I kind of began this
Speaker 1: sort of jumping around thing for me, Like I'm still
Speaker 1: jumping around. Yeah, because you have a house, and I
Speaker 1: where's your dog by the way, because I was watch
Speaker 1: on social media. No, that's that's a real question. Did
Speaker 1: your dog stay in Montana? My dog does not stay
Speaker 1: in Montana. This is this is what happened. I got
Speaker 1: a dog. I wanted to have a dog on the
Speaker 1: road road dog. Uh. A dear friend of mine happens
Speaker 1: to be an incredible dog trainer. She took my dog trained.
Speaker 1: My dog turned into a per fick beast. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm taking my dog on the
Speaker 1: road dog hates music. Hates music. He thinks it's like thunder,
Speaker 1: like thunderstuck, So he's trembling in the dressing room first night.
Speaker 1: I think Red Rocks was like the first place we
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, well I got a dog, let's do
Speaker 1: this cowering in the corner. Also, like when he's home
Speaker 1: with me, if I pick up a guitar and plug
Speaker 1: it and start playing it, he does the funniest thing
Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to offend me, but he like
Speaker 1: slowly SLINKs his two paws front paws off the couch
Speaker 1: and just waddles out of the room because I'm playing music.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't gonna work. But it turned out that
Speaker 1: my dog trainer, she loved him so much, and she said, well,
Speaker 1: he's a part of our family too, so I'll be
Speaker 1: the mommy. And I thought that's awesome. So my dog
Speaker 1: lives a better life than I do. He lives in Brentwood, California,
Speaker 1: and I pick him up. It's like doggy daycare, but
Speaker 1: it's months long. Sounds more like custody. It's joint customer.
Speaker 1: Yes so, but but I've heard of people doing that.
Speaker 1: I know singers who do that. You know they try
Speaker 1: to get a dog, and it's a very noble idea
Speaker 1: to get a dog. Okay, I'm growing up. I want
Speaker 1: to get I wanna get something to take care of
Speaker 1: and responsibility for. And then you realize that it would
Speaker 1: be you taking the elevator down to the street level
Speaker 1: in Denver, Colorado at seven in the morning to make
Speaker 1: it go potty. So it's it's a wonderful thought. I
Speaker 1: was like, where's the dog. Yeah, the dog. I was interesting.
Speaker 1: I pick up the dog on my way out to
Speaker 1: Montana and we get to know each other again on
Speaker 1: the plane and then and we're then we're there and
Speaker 1: he's got fifteen acres of pure dog park. You don't
Speaker 1: have to take him out. He's a black lab, so
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to run too far. There are bears, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are Yeah, I've seen the snapchats. There was a
Speaker 1: bear in my yard a couple of summers ago. I'm
Speaker 1: scared of bears, man. I'll walk outside across the driveway
Speaker 1: in the dark and just totally scared of bears. I
Speaker 1: know a couple of people in my life were like,
Speaker 1: walk out in the dark and they're totally scared of bears.
Speaker 1: Bears are scary. I mean they sell bear pepper spray
Speaker 1: at the supermarket, and if you go hiking, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to bring bear pepper spray. I have a feeling in
Speaker 1: your demographic there's plenty of people who have with them
Speaker 1: as they listen to this bear pepper spray. Do you
Speaker 1: know what you're supposed to do if you encounter a bear?
Speaker 1: Play dead or run or scream? I think it's different
Speaker 1: for each bear. It actually is. I think it's deffer
Speaker 1: bridged person too. It's different for each bear. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: you need to be prepared. You're supposed to be prepared.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to have bear pepper spray. I think if
Speaker 1: you see bear poop, you're supposed to sort of get
Speaker 1: out of there if you see you know, there's things
Speaker 1: that ever, but I've heard I've heard things like like
Speaker 1: a bear will mall you but not kill you, and
Speaker 1: then like you think it's left, but it's just hiding
Speaker 1: under some leaves, just watching you die or just watching
Speaker 1: you be injured. There, Like these bears are serious, they're
Speaker 1: not messing around. This is true that the bear will
Speaker 1: maim you and then sort of hide and watch you.
Speaker 1: You just said you heard, and now you're saying it's true.
Speaker 1: You've converted in like two sentences this this is fact
Speaker 1: because I have I have people who I trust in
Speaker 1: me around my life, and they've told you that the
Speaker 1: bear will attack you and then watch you. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: bear will attack you. I think a grizzly will attack you,
Speaker 1: bring you to the edge of death, and then watch
Speaker 1: you and if you get up, then it will kill
Speaker 1: you and you eat that. So it's like Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1: And yes, it's the revenue. Yes in Montana. Uh, do
Speaker 1: you have a Facebook page or something? People can verify this.
Speaker 1: They don't worry, they will every bit of it. I
Speaker 1: feel really good about this information. John Mayor hanging out
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Speaker 1: All right, back in the studio, John Mayer's here with
Speaker 1: us today. Let me play this song here. I like
Speaker 1: this one, Rosy that's my hall of notes jam Philly Saltzer.
Speaker 1: It's good. Talk up to the posts again the guitar.
Speaker 1: Would you talk up to the guitar? Solo vocal? It
Speaker 1: depends what format your in. So if I listen, I
Speaker 1: did rock for a while, would you've talked over this
Speaker 1: next time? I would have talked over the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I have been like the vocal. Yeah, I would be like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're with John Mayre. We're gonna play a whole seven
Speaker 1: songs in a row, John Ayr, We're here all morning long, Hedge.
Speaker 1: It's like karaoke, sixty four bars instrumental, and then then
Speaker 1: you just stand there with your friends. I will that's
Speaker 1: very vocal. It's almost its own hook. It's its own hook.
Speaker 1: But I'd probably talk over it now. I mean I
Speaker 1: probably talk over it. Well, let's give it. Listen to
Speaker 1: Rosie right now. Check it out. Come down and proud
Speaker 1: of yourself on that one. Yeah, I have to make up.
Speaker 1: I'm truck again, Rember. When we your it's fluffy. Who
Speaker 1: do you run your songs about you? Right one? You go, hey,
Speaker 1: we think of this boom? Who who's that person? Me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know? And and even there's even people I would
Speaker 1: run my songs buying the go that's great, and I go, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. So it's me again, big feet, big strong head,
Speaker 1: most of it's most of it's in house. I don't necessarily, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't necessarily collaborate very well, but
Speaker 1: I kind of know. I kind of know what I know.
Speaker 1: I don't finish songs that aren't I think strong enough
Speaker 1: to make records. I don't usually have any extra songs
Speaker 1: left over that aren't you know, I don't have parts
Speaker 1: falling off of them or what I'm done with an album.
Speaker 1: So I know, I I know what makes a me
Speaker 1: song now and what doesn't. And they are even good
Speaker 1: song ideas that I have, like really cool things. I
Speaker 1: listened back to it and I go, I don't buy it.
Speaker 1: And I know myself well enough now that I can
Speaker 1: do more stuff than I should be than I should do.
Speaker 1: Like I can do more stuff with a guitar or
Speaker 1: with a band or with a drum programming than I
Speaker 1: then then I should have as and I you know,
Speaker 1: as music that's called my music. So it's really weird.
Speaker 1: It has to pass like a lot of times I
Speaker 1: call it like it's like a four quadrant test, like
Speaker 1: is it good? Do I like it? Which is different
Speaker 1: than is it good? Right? So you can you can
Speaker 1: have a song that's of that you don't like. You
Speaker 1: can have a song you like, that's not good? Is
Speaker 1: it me? That's the third, So it can be good
Speaker 1: and you like it, but if it's not you, and
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know, if I don't know if
Speaker 1: I really want this to be my thing. And the
Speaker 1: fourth question is like, do I want to play this
Speaker 1: every night as I go on tour? And if it
Speaker 1: passes all four of those questions, then I know it's
Speaker 1: a really good song. I don't know what a hit
Speaker 1: is anymore, but I know what is one of those
Speaker 1: songs where you're like, oh, this is bulletproof. Let's go
Speaker 1: around the world with this and Rosie it's like anywhere
Speaker 1: you go, people they're don't necessarily like cheer for the
Speaker 1: recognition of the tune, but the cheer because like, it
Speaker 1: feels so good, you know. So I'm pretty good about
Speaker 1: being my own A and R guy. Do you play
Speaker 1: all your instruments on your demos? Yes? Yes I do.
Speaker 1: And sometimes that's tricky because the ignorance of my playing
Speaker 1: a certain instrument that I don't really play predominantly adds
Speaker 1: to the um the certain geneseequa of it. And uh,
Speaker 1: and then you bring a really great musician in and
Speaker 1: then you gotta be like, will you played a little dumber?
Speaker 1: You're like, will you do it with just your left hand?
Speaker 1: Like can I hit you in the head once with
Speaker 1: a vase? And then can you do it? I go
Speaker 1: with the vas. I don't say vase. I'm fancy and
Speaker 1: uh so I have people try and replicate that kind
Speaker 1: of half half awake kind of way of playing. What
Speaker 1: is your day? Like becauld you wake up at what
Speaker 1: time depending on time zone? Touring, Yeah, depending on the
Speaker 1: time zone, like anywhere between ten and noon, depending on
Speaker 1: the times. And you do what when you wake up?
Speaker 1: I dive into like the excitement of the day via Instagram, Twitter, text, email,
Speaker 1: and I do I go round and around for like
Speaker 1: an hour, you know, like I was thinking this literally yesterday.
Speaker 1: If you want to offend most of the world with
Speaker 1: how good you have life, you don't. You wouldn't talk
Speaker 1: about like how much money you have. You would talk
Speaker 1: about how you haven't been like underslept in months. Like
Speaker 1: you could say like, yeah, I have a G four jet,
Speaker 1: People like, yeah, good for you to be, Like I
Speaker 1: have a woken up tired in a month. People would
Speaker 1: be like, how dare you? How dare you going so
Speaker 1: I don't really wake up tired. I just wake up
Speaker 1: at whatever time I have to wait my body system.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. You wake up whenever your eyes open. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got I have. That's the only way to do
Speaker 1: this for a living. The only way to do it
Speaker 1: for a living is to sleep has to come first.
Speaker 1: Sleep is like water. If you're in the survivalism of it,
Speaker 1: you have to have sleep. I quit drinking so I
Speaker 1: don't have to deal with hangovers. And I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: dangerous man without a hangover. Why did you quit drinking?
Speaker 1: Two things? Voice and I knew that if I wanted
Speaker 1: to not cancel shows for either health or mental health,
Speaker 1: that I was going to have to be um excited
Speaker 1: every time I woke up, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: and I have to be fully portable as a human being.
Speaker 1: And we've all been hungover on an airplane. Those are
Speaker 1: long flights. Those are long, sweaty, trembling flights. So I
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, I'm ready to go. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like psyched. Do you still practice at all? I
Speaker 1: do practice? Very good question. Um, I think that I'm
Speaker 1: about to practice, and then I plug in and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm still good, and then I put it down because
Speaker 1: I've already started. Like when I was younger, I practice,
Speaker 1: but now like I played with the best musicians in
Speaker 1: the world, like in the world that I can brag about,
Speaker 1: and then to go home alone to play without that sound,
Speaker 1: You're like, it's more like, yeah, just checking, still good,
Speaker 1: put it down and then go do something else. So
Speaker 1: what am I going to practice? I play? So like
Speaker 1: what's your hobby? I mean, not that's your job, but
Speaker 1: like what do you do with all this? Like you
Speaker 1: you wake up when you want. You don't have to practice,
Speaker 1: like I burned large swaths of time just to kill it.
Speaker 1: Just I'm a murderer of you've been on the road before.
Speaker 1: You're you're just trying to get to the show, the
Speaker 1: show we love, the show matters, and you're trying to
Speaker 1: basically encase yourself in a protective seal in between shows
Speaker 1: and do whatever it takes so that you're rested and
Speaker 1: you're healthy. And for me, I'm not necessarily into the
Speaker 1: Anthony Bourdain of life, like, oh I have an off day,
Speaker 1: Oh what kind of food they have here? Oh it's good.
Speaker 1: I might know. I pumped the room to like seventy
Speaker 1: five degrees. Stay in my pajamas all day. Use every towel.
Speaker 1: That's what I said, use every towel. Cleaning ladies come in.
Speaker 1: I just I call them the bad idea cleanup crew.
Speaker 1: I just come on in and used every towel. Yes
Speaker 1: I did. Did you use this one as a napkin? Yes?
Speaker 1: I did ever use a bath towels a napkin? Bobby
Speaker 1: in a hotel? Yes, I have and X, but no, no,
Speaker 1: I've I called the everything towel. It's the I call
Speaker 1: it the luxury clean X. I get you, man, I
Speaker 1: get it for the room. Well, that's why we are horrible,
Speaker 1: horrible people in the hotels. They leave those little notes
Speaker 1: to be conscious of, you know, the earth, and use
Speaker 1: one towel. Yeah, A towel on the rack means I'll
Speaker 1: use it again. A towel in the bathtub means a
Speaker 1: towel with barbecue sauce on it means I hate my life.
Speaker 1: I also feel like they don't change the comforter anyway,
Speaker 1: so we're even well. I can tell when they change
Speaker 1: the comfort some places, I'll put the note up it
Speaker 1: says your comforter has been changed. I think the note
Speaker 1: just stays up. I think they just put the note
Speaker 1: back up there. I don't listen. Hotel life is a
Speaker 1: bit rich. Continue what does that mean? It means you
Speaker 1: just run bits about hotels all day? Um? Yes, so, uh,
Speaker 1: we're having to debate in this room before you came in,
Speaker 1: and you mayn't want to answer this. Which song are
Speaker 1: you just tired of playing? Um? I'm tired of playing
Speaker 1: waiting on the World changed Boom? I said, why that
Speaker 1: I would have one? Or that would be that one? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: why do you think it is? I have a whole
Speaker 1: different reason. Why do you think it? I have a reason.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of hearing it? Why do you ever reading?
Speaker 1: Oh that's funny, let's go, let's boog it, let's book it.
Speaker 1: Here we go. I'm leaning into this. Why do you
Speaker 1: why are you tired of playing it? Um? It's it's
Speaker 1: honest to god, It's just a tactile thing. It's just
Speaker 1: after a while, like, by the way, you're gonna be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I hated the message. I was like, I just didn't
Speaker 1: like the way I felt in my hand. Um, it's
Speaker 1: right outside of my range. Like when I had vocal
Speaker 1: surgery that I had a procedure and like it. It
Speaker 1: cost me like two or three notes, and I needed
Speaker 1: those notes for winning on the World to Change, So
Speaker 1: I kind of kind of to sneak around it. So
Speaker 1: it's not exactly it never really was the most comfortable
Speaker 1: thing to sing, so weirdly enough, like all the songs
Speaker 1: that became very popular are are very difficult to sing
Speaker 1: for me. Meanwhile, all I wanted to do is like
Speaker 1: have a hit with like who says a kick is?
Speaker 1: Don't just wake up at five in the morning be
Speaker 1: able to do it? And uh so it's out of
Speaker 1: my range. It's also musically, um, pretty pretty circular, you know,
Speaker 1: so there's not a ton of room in it. It's
Speaker 1: you kind of get into it. You have to say
Speaker 1: your piece and then get out. It's not necessarily, uh
Speaker 1: meant for exploring the musical space of the song. Now
Speaker 1: you go, why don't you like waiting in the world
Speaker 1: of changing? I feel like it's not in your range anymore,
Speaker 1: Like you lost a couple of notes. Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Are you just saying I didn't know I was going
Speaker 1: that I was right. This is the true, the true,
Speaker 1: because on that record, I feel like that's the one
Speaker 1: song that is different than all the rest sonically listen,
Speaker 1: not a whole album. And I'm like, man, that one
Speaker 1: could probably go on a couple other records. That might
Speaker 1: be true. But also it's I felt like it was
Speaker 1: a radio song. Did you write that to be on
Speaker 1: the radio? You know? Talk about running it by somebody.
Speaker 1: A dear friend of mine at the time. I sent
Speaker 1: it to her and she said, I don't hear it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's and I think it's huge. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be huge. It's I don't really hear it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be huge. I'm weird when
Speaker 1: it comes to hits, man, Like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: makes a song of mine a hit. I have a
Speaker 1: feeling it's like there's something in like you do stand up, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like your middle funny joke to you is
Speaker 1: your funniest joke to the crowd? I don't. I never
Speaker 1: know what jokes canna be the funniest. It's the one
Speaker 1: that that you're the least excited about, like it's your throwaway.
Speaker 1: They the accidental because you're interested in the upper ranges
Speaker 1: of your mind, Like, how can I be more clever,
Speaker 1: How can I be more interesting? And then somewhere in
Speaker 1: your in your middle is where the crowd kind of
Speaker 1: grabs onto what you're saying, Like the crowd probably applauds,
Speaker 1: and you go, You're like, oh that, Oh you like that? Okay,
Speaker 1: because that really didn't feel like anything coming out of
Speaker 1: my head. It's the same thing with music. It's like
Speaker 1: all the stuff where I'm like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is so complex and interesting and people are gonna love it,
Speaker 1: like they kind of don't. It's the stuff that for me,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a little bit um. It bores me,
Speaker 1: just the slightest bit, and it becomes like whatever I
Speaker 1: find boring in it, people find accessible. And here's the
Speaker 1: joke I'm thinking about the opera tonight. Tell me funny. Yay,
Speaker 1: I haven't used it yet. We're happy to bleep it out. Okay,
Speaker 1: you said the guy that got caught pledging himself with
Speaker 1: the movies to the emoji. Yes, this is good. It's
Speaker 1: not that good. No, I mean it's a good it's
Speaker 1: a good. Right. Everyone is freaking out about the guy
Speaker 1: doing that to himself in a theater. I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: which emoji he thought was super hot. Okay, so that's
Speaker 1: a setup. That's not that's not a punch line yet,
Speaker 1: it's still a setup, right, So then you break it down.
Speaker 1: Is that the Sauca Lady? And then I go through
Speaker 1: the thing and then at the end I end up
Speaker 1: with the purpose. Yeah, there's a lot of places plants?
Speaker 1: Is it the poop emoji? But I don't think people
Speaker 1: are like that's funny as I start rolling through emoji's Like,
Speaker 1: I think that's funny. It's funny if you can break
Speaker 1: it out. And I hate that I'm on your radio
Speaker 1: show telling you how to be funny. It's okay because
Speaker 1: I'm telling you songs I think very good. So we're
Speaker 1: all good. We're in a good place. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I think as long as you just like there's a
Speaker 1: place to go there sure like getting basically you're talking
Speaker 1: about emoji's represent is a fetishist. I like the girl
Speaker 1: because maybe there see, there you go, there you go,
Speaker 1: let's see, that's a whole. I probably can't tell that
Speaker 1: that which emoji if you had only one, Like what
Speaker 1: do you think? Somebody has a gun in your head?
Speaker 1: And like you have to pleasure yourself to an emoji. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the one you're gonna pick and be like, look,
Speaker 1: I'll make do the Police Girl. Yeah yeah, yeah, see
Speaker 1: I should join you on on stage of the opry.
Speaker 1: We have a thing going to come out. We riff
Speaker 1: and Police Girl too. Mikes. Yeah that, by the way,
Speaker 1: che did that. We did that. You did it in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. We did in San Francisco, Atlanta. We're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna do some what we did Red Rocks in Colorado.
Speaker 1: What do you do? Though? So I go on stage
Speaker 1: and I played for like minutes. He comes out and
Speaker 1: he's he's working on his new hour. He's almost done
Speaker 1: with this new hour, which is phenomenal, and then he
Speaker 1: calls me out and I'm sort of a DJ. It's
Speaker 1: like two guys at a party who found a guitar
Speaker 1: and I'm the DJ of like a joke DJ. So
Speaker 1: he loves music, Dave loves to like joke about songs,
Speaker 1: and he's he's almost like a the Savant where he's
Speaker 1: almost he's he's a musical MC as well. It's really
Speaker 1: straight like he's performing music but he's not singing. It's
Speaker 1: really hard to explain, but he's he's a genius and obviously,
Speaker 1: and so we throw ideas back and forth, and I
Speaker 1: can kind of play anything if I've ever heard it before.
Speaker 1: So he can throw a song to me and I
Speaker 1: just kind of know it. So it's a little bit
Speaker 1: like he throws a song idea to me, I do it,
Speaker 1: and he works it into this brilliance. Like basically it's
Speaker 1: like watching the Chapel Shaw. So it's like jazz with jokes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. And and and we have little we're starting
Speaker 1: to develop things that we know work. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like two people thinking with the
Speaker 1: same brain. Now, like like the way you build a
Speaker 1: file cabinet of jokes in your head, we're building a
Speaker 1: file cabinet of jokes based on songs. Like there's a
Speaker 1: foot loose joke that's just super funny because I'm I'm
Speaker 1: playing the footloose lick downing ironing, ironing earner, and with
Speaker 1: his mind he takes it into you know how out
Speaker 1: of place that would be. You know in the quote
Speaker 1: unquote hood you know the quote unquote which song when
Speaker 1: you start to get the biggest pot from when you
Speaker 1: first first second? Now, what's really weird in keeping with
Speaker 1: a conversation of like who knows what makes a hit
Speaker 1: of mine? Or whether people like slow dancing in a
Speaker 1: burning room? Man, Like I play slow dancing in a
Speaker 1: burning room, and if you had never heard any of
Speaker 1: my music, you'd be like, oh, was this his massive hit?
Speaker 1: You're like, no deep album track, and it wasn't even
Speaker 1: a thing. Almosn't even a single. I mean there are
Speaker 1: things about me that I don't end the other people
Speaker 1: for having to work with. One of those things is
Speaker 1: like I don't put records out where you're like, oh yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm not technically a pop artist. I
Speaker 1: don't hand in a record where people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a smash, this is smash. It's hard to
Speaker 1: be my record company. Like, not that I think that
Speaker 1: they've been like brilliant this time out, but we do
Speaker 1: live in an ever shifting landscape. But uh, it's it's
Speaker 1: really hard to be my record company. I give twelve
Speaker 1: songs to you. Four of them are like R and
Speaker 1: B bangers. Four of them are like, you know, like
Speaker 1: what someone else would call it sappy who stick ballad?
Speaker 1: You know, so I don't really know what makes a hit,
Speaker 1: but this is my new record, the Project, that's the
Speaker 1: Lindsay L record. So can we get a shot out
Speaker 1: of my new record the Project. Part of it was
Speaker 1: because you know, they didn't really recognize me on the cover,
Speaker 1: but this is who I this is my new record.
Speaker 1: I went by Lindsay L and U can we play
Speaker 1: cut off that? So yeah, so there it is. This
Speaker 1: this is a great recording, and you're asking me like seriously, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great recording. What's the difference recording?
Speaker 1: I just hear a song the way the way it
Speaker 1: was engineered. It's set. It's gorgeous. It's the best. That's
Speaker 1: the Gravity is the best record, Like you know, it's
Speaker 1: a difference between song of the year record of the year.
Speaker 1: Grammy's like, that's this isn't this is quite a record.
Speaker 1: This is how spare it is. If I stopped talking,
Speaker 1: well now I'm just gonna keep going because we're so
Speaker 1: really key into the record, especially the vocals. This is
Speaker 1: gravity from continue checking out Gravity when I want to
Speaker 1: When I want your show Minneapolis, she didn't play it.
Speaker 1: I was sad, and I know you get that every
Speaker 1: show because you can't play everything. Well, well no, but
Speaker 1: you saw me at the beginning of this tour where
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna just play whatever I want,
Speaker 1: and the crowd was adamant that I played Gravity, so
Speaker 1: we added Gravity back in every night. That's cool. Look,
Speaker 1: it's cool to be that artist where you know there
Speaker 1: are things that people identify with you so so much
Speaker 1: that you have to play them. I dig it, and
Speaker 1: I'll play Gravity every night for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: Like that's a song I'll never get tired of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something about it. It's simple, but you can insert
Speaker 1: however you feel. And gravity can be different every day
Speaker 1: when you when you sing to it. It could be
Speaker 1: emotional gravity, it can be your time spent in space
Speaker 1: if you literal gravity. Yeah, I don't know the movie
Speaker 1: with George that's right. And what's your favorite song off
Speaker 1: the new record? Oh? Well, you know I have the
Speaker 1: one about She doesn't know any words to it, she
Speaker 1: doesn't knows the parts of it. No, I know about how.
Speaker 1: I just think it's really really clever about how you
Speaker 1: keep the shampoo in the shower in case and romantic.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think every girl sort of would would
Speaker 1: want a guy to to sing that for her. Got
Speaker 1: sticky hands man, it's hard, hard, getting hard, getting out.
Speaker 1: For me, it's it's good. But this song, no dude
Speaker 1: wants to have to write this song though, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's both being gonerable all songs. Sorry, enjoy it. No
Speaker 1: one knew what to do with it for listening because
Speaker 1: she told me, what do you get this song to like?
Speaker 1: And this leads in the blood conversation like if you're
Speaker 1: a station that's like a triple A station, you played
Speaker 1: John Man music and all of a sudden, Columbia is like, hey,
Speaker 1: here's the next John May song. Like it doesn't fit
Speaker 1: anyone's radio station, but does it have to fit? Because
Speaker 1: I'm a radio I think nothing has to fit radio.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, man, I mean, maybe that's why we're
Speaker 1: still filling the places up with people's because I'm not
Speaker 1: following this sort of format rule, you know, like I
Speaker 1: put mixed tapes out. I feel like so and you're
Speaker 1: here for a reason because you have a song. And
Speaker 1: I remember I went to this show and I was
Speaker 1: talking and by the way, Lee Levesner is your you
Speaker 1: want to explain you who he is? Lee Livesner uh
Speaker 1: died in ninette and it's come back as a ghost
Speaker 1: to set things straight. Is that correct? Yeah? I don't know. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just pitching movie ideas now, Leah. For years, thirteen
Speaker 1: years or so, like Lee has been in one way
Speaker 1: another with you champion, my champion of the stuff that
Speaker 1: I make. He I there are times he probably doesn't
Speaker 1: see where a song could work and promptly stuffs that
Speaker 1: thought deep deep, deep down inside him and returns back
Speaker 1: with the thought that this song can be huge and
Speaker 1: goes out and fights for it. Mean, there's a guy,
Speaker 1: I've the funniest thing you ever said. It is life
Speaker 1: was about Still Feel Like Your Man, because I thought
Speaker 1: that it could change the like I, I always believe
Speaker 1: that a song can change a format, a song can
Speaker 1: change people's thinking. And we're backstage at Madison Square, Carden,
Speaker 1: Columbia is there and this is right before Still Feel
Speaker 1: Like Your Bad comes out. And I looked at him.
Speaker 1: We had just finished a hug, but now we've got
Speaker 1: hands on each other's shoulders, and I said, I really
Speaker 1: believe and still feel like you're man, and he said,
Speaker 1: and we know that you do. And I thought that
Speaker 1: was just absolutely the funniest thing that I record company,
Speaker 1: Like the funniest if it was if there was a
Speaker 1: Curb Enthusiasm style show about my life, I would write
Speaker 1: that in and that would be in the trailer. It's
Speaker 1: hilarious and we know that you do. That's a guy
Speaker 1: who can't lie. Man. It was amazing. But listen to
Speaker 1: the jam three days. I lost my mind and I
Speaker 1: was only thinking about this song three days and a trance.
Speaker 1: What are you doing a trance? You're only about bringing
Speaker 1: the song with life. I was in a therapist office
Speaker 1: and I said, I still feel like her. I still
Speaker 1: feel like her Mania and I went, oh, no, here
Speaker 1: we go. It's I got in the car, I wrote down,
Speaker 1: still I still feel like your Man. And I looked
Speaker 1: at that title and I went, if we play our
Speaker 1: cards right, that is a major song I had felt like.
Speaker 1: And I immediately googled the title I still feel like
Speaker 1: your Man, because I thought someone must have had this idea.
Speaker 1: Whenever I have a good idea, I'm not even excited
Speaker 1: about it. I get immediately frightened that someone else has
Speaker 1: already had that good idea. So I google that good idea.
Speaker 1: No search results. That's when I got even more excited.
Speaker 1: I went, okay, I'm actually getting right now, like excited.
Speaker 1: My heart is racing as I talked about this, because
Speaker 1: this is about how you sneak up on an on
Speaker 1: an idea, trying to catch a greasy pig, and you're
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, there it is. Let's not sing it
Speaker 1: too soon. Let's not just throw some BS cliche stuff
Speaker 1: on this idea. And for for a whole day, I
Speaker 1: didn't sing it. I feel like your Man. I didn't
Speaker 1: make a note with it because I knew that whatever
Speaker 1: I sang, I was gonna start getting attached to and
Speaker 1: I don't want to get attached to a dumb idea
Speaker 1: for still feel like. So now I just have sheets
Speaker 1: of paper and I'm typing all different ideas about still
Speaker 1: feel like You're Man, and I don't list think. And
Speaker 1: then I was in the shower and I was like,
Speaker 1: could I do it like a Prince ballad? I still
Speaker 1: feel lack you me? You know, no, that's gonna be shallow. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't don't even sing it. Don't even sing it. And
Speaker 1: then I had already had written this idea, this chord changes,
Speaker 1: and then one day I went in the studio and
Speaker 1: it was the greatest luck in the world. That this
Speaker 1: one idea that I'd written musically locked in would just
Speaker 1: still feel like you're man thing, And it became this
Speaker 1: like we I called it ancient Japanese R and B.
Speaker 1: If you listen to it's like super staccato and clean
Speaker 1: toda didn't doom like I've never heard anything like it
Speaker 1: comes from me. And so for the next three days
Speaker 1: I did nothing but enter like this. It's hard to explain,
Speaker 1: but it's true. If you can feel it, you're a
Speaker 1: little bit not on earth, You're like half of you
Speaker 1: is in another place. And for three days I did
Speaker 1: nothing but bring this song into my life, and I
Speaker 1: listened to a lot of Marvin Gay. There's definitely like
Speaker 1: some Marvin Gay thing happening in the tune that I
Speaker 1: didn't want to block. And when I was done with it,
Speaker 1: this really interesting jam that's like hopeful but also like
Speaker 1: has the saddest line I've ever written. I literally cried
Speaker 1: when I wrote I still keep your shampoo in my
Speaker 1: shower in case you want to wash your hair. That's
Speaker 1: the saddest lyric I've ever written in my life. Think
Speaker 1: of how much desperation is in that line. She's not
Speaker 1: coming to wash her hair at your house. It's over.
Speaker 1: But the idea of keeping the torch lit where you say, well,
Speaker 1: I'm keeping it there. It's like, you know, there's like
Speaker 1: this dog in Japan and dog had an owner. The
Speaker 1: owner would go to the train every day and the
Speaker 1: dog would follow the owner of the train and then
Speaker 1: be there at the exact time the own or came
Speaker 1: back from work off the train. The dog will be
Speaker 1: waiting on the train platform. The one day the owner died,
Speaker 1: and the dog still waited at that platform for his
Speaker 1: owner for years until the dog passed away. I love
Speaker 1: that story. It is true. There's a statue of the
Speaker 1: dog where the dog once stood himself, and I very
Speaker 1: much in breakups feel like the statue of that dog,
Speaker 1: not even the dog, I feel like the statue of
Speaker 1: the dog. Fantastic story that I take a drink of water. Yeah, see,
Speaker 1: but where are you? I saw hope in you keeping
Speaker 1: the shampoo there. I think that's I think it's lovely. Yeah, everybody,
Speaker 1: it's different. Like for me, I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: so vulnerable, and it's vulnerable. But I felt like me,
Speaker 1: like I would do that. Yeah, she does come back.
Speaker 1: So the shower is a very vulnerable play, you know,
Speaker 1: and and you stare at it as this sort of totem.
Speaker 1: It's still life, it's the last It's like someone's shampoo
Speaker 1: is what they use in their most intimate, solitary moments,
Speaker 1: and they've brought their shampoo to your place and they've
Speaker 1: left it there because the implication is I'm going to
Speaker 1: be here so often it's worth my time to place
Speaker 1: some shampoo here and get some more for myself because
Speaker 1: I really feel like I'm going to take, you know,
Speaker 1: setup shop here and then it doesn't end up working out.
Speaker 1: But the shampoo, they're like the kids of divorce. The
Speaker 1: shampoo and condition are like children of divorce. And how
Speaker 1: do you break it to the kids? Never wants to suffer? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have feeling you and I could bullshit for six
Speaker 1: hours straight. Let me let me. I gotta call the
Speaker 1: more because around the time here, How about this the
Speaker 1: fact that you see colors when you play. I don't
Speaker 1: have synesthesia, and people, okay, that's that's where people know
Speaker 1: people somebody, Um, why would someone fake that about you? Then? Well,
Speaker 1: people misinterpret my metaphors a lot, which is easily done.
Speaker 1: And I don't have synesthesia. I have probably some um
Speaker 1: interpretive form of synesthesis. Synesthesia, by the way, is some
Speaker 1: people have a clinical I don't know if i'd call
Speaker 1: it a disorder. It was a gift of sorts whereby
Speaker 1: words and sounds actually are interpreted as colors in their brain.
Speaker 1: I have it, but not visually. I'm pretty close to
Speaker 1: I have relative synesthesia. Like what are you seeing when
Speaker 1: you're playing a solo? What are you singing in your head?
Speaker 1: How are your numbers? Colors? Muscle memory? What is it? Shapes? Colors? Uh? Geometry?
Speaker 1: That's actually, man, you're a very good interviewer, Like you're
Speaker 1: asking really interesting, untrodden on questions that are exciting to answer. Uh.
Speaker 1: The way that I do it is tons and tons
Speaker 1: and tons of streams of possibilities of shapes, What's where?
Speaker 1: Where does it go? And I've done it for so
Speaker 1: long now that a lot of that data has sort
Speaker 1: of dissolved and it's all feeling now. I just know
Speaker 1: where it is. I just it's very Jedi now, like
Speaker 1: I just know where it is, and it's sometimes I
Speaker 1: don't know how I know It'll be different every single night.
Speaker 1: But I found some weird confluence of what I know
Speaker 1: and what I don't know, but what I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: is going to be there. And it's more fun than
Speaker 1: ever to play guitar because I'm not playing it like
Speaker 1: a student of guitar anymore, Like I'm I'm just sort
Speaker 1: of forgetting it all. It's like a photographer wouldn't think about,
Speaker 1: like what f stopped there at? You just start shooting
Speaker 1: after a certain period of time. Is it easier to
Speaker 1: go for a jog or to play a solo? Because
Speaker 1: I feel like this, when you move your hands, it's
Speaker 1: just happening. It's just happening. At this point, it's a whole.
Speaker 1: It's I got, you know, it's its own other world.
Speaker 1: You know, whereas you run you have to be somewhat
Speaker 1: conscious of your steps. Are you conscious of your hands?
Speaker 1: And there are sometimes when I'm playing, like I looked
Speaker 1: out of my hands and I go, what is any
Speaker 1: of this? Like as I'm playing, I'm like, what is
Speaker 1: any of this stuff? You know, Like you've had the
Speaker 1: word mustard twelve times in a rug, You're like, mustard, mustard,
Speaker 1: this is a weird word. Not much. I did it
Speaker 1: the other day with certain and I went, did I
Speaker 1: ever really hear the word certain? Or did I just
Speaker 1: kind of ignore it? For did I have a really
Speaker 1: pay attention to the words certain certain mustard, A certain mustard,
Speaker 1: certain m's real certain Let me hear one more thing. Uh.
Speaker 1: So you went out and play with the Dead Company, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is fantastic. But I wondered how two things. One
Speaker 1: you had to learn a lot of songs, and too
Speaker 1: you had to learn them so good because you're playing with,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the greatest ever. You're playing a
Speaker 1: big shadow. So what's that pressure like as compared to
Speaker 1: John Mayer pressure, because it seems like it would be bigger.
Speaker 1: I think I always knew that it was. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: not on Mike always. I think that I all aways
Speaker 1: knew it was in my heart, like I could do it.
Speaker 1: I knew that I couldn't do it the day I
Speaker 1: said that I could do it, or that the day
Speaker 1: I said I was gonna do it. But I knew
Speaker 1: in my heart that I had that that I could
Speaker 1: somehow do something to it and with it that would
Speaker 1: be valuable. So I remember looking at it like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this might be in October, it's like April now,
Speaker 1: And I looked at the number of days that I had.
Speaker 1: I looked at the number of songs that were to learn,
Speaker 1: and I went, all right, that's three a day, let's go,
Speaker 1: you know, And I just knew in my heart. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like people ask me sometimes, like will you do
Speaker 1: this documentary about this person's life because we know you
Speaker 1: liked them, And I go like, well, I liked him,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what to say, and I don't
Speaker 1: really have anything to say. It's like, doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 1: really reverberate inside of me, So I don't really know
Speaker 1: if I can talk about it or like I'll have
Speaker 1: anything to say about it. The topic of Grateful Dead
Speaker 1: music for me at that time was like I want
Speaker 1: no thing but to think about it, talk about it.
Speaker 1: So I knew that it had taken some sort of
Speaker 1: purchase inside of me on a deeper level than anything
Speaker 1: ever had, and all I had to do was just
Speaker 1: take it day by day. And I felt like with
Speaker 1: my knowledge of the guitar and I think understanding where
Speaker 1: the music was coming from, even if I didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: have that myself, like I could play genealogists like I
Speaker 1: could I could figure out the d n A. I
Speaker 1: looked at it like a contractor looking at like an
Speaker 1: empty space, going like, yeah, I can I can build you.
Speaker 1: I can build this out. You can't eat here now,
Speaker 1: But in six months I think I can think I
Speaker 1: can build this. And it was really cool to become
Speaker 1: a student. I didn't tour, I didn't make a dime. Uh,
Speaker 1: I wasn't out in the world making a name for myself.
Speaker 1: I sat at home for six months and learned those
Speaker 1: songs which I was already learning. It wasn't like I
Speaker 1: um had forced myself to like something what a perfect
Speaker 1: thing that I was already in the midst of learning
Speaker 1: these songs on my own, just as a listener. And
Speaker 1: it it was like at a certain point in my
Speaker 1: career where where you'd think that I'd be done learning,
Speaker 1: it was like going to school for the first time again.
Speaker 1: And that was really good for me to not feel
Speaker 1: as if, well, this is your life, John, you spend
Speaker 1: you you just basically play your own music till you die.
Speaker 1: Like that doesn't excite me. It will maybe at some
Speaker 1: point when I'm like, look, I got a wife and kids.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to reinvent the wheel. But it
Speaker 1: brought so much more complexity to the life of a
Speaker 1: guy like me who craves complexity and gets not bored
Speaker 1: but complacent really quickly. It was like a whole new
Speaker 1: world that I could discover, and every day was exciting,
Speaker 1: and it still is with those guys, it's incredibly exciting.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. I'm glad this all worked out
Speaker 1: where he could come in the day I came back
Speaker 1: from the show, I was like, man, you know, some
Speaker 1: of this record sounds like music that we would play,
Speaker 1: you know, in this format. And I went and listen.
Speaker 1: I'm not always the most popular guy traditionally in this format,
Speaker 1: just because I do things at lets out of the box,
Speaker 1: but I was like, man, some of this record, A
Speaker 1: couple of songs on there, um in the blood, they're
Speaker 1: rolling on, rolling on home for sure. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is exactly what it is, even more traditional than
Speaker 1: some of the things being played now. Um. And so
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, why aren't we playing it? And
Speaker 1: so I played it and get screamed at, and you know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But now there we come full circle
Speaker 1: and you've had a little time and some other stations
Speaker 1: and other people have played it, and I think it's
Speaker 1: been embraced really well by people outside and with you
Speaker 1: to thank for it. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: If you had played that song in the Blood without
Speaker 1: telling people that it was me, would they have objected? Now?
Speaker 1: But this is the truth. Almost nobody, I say almost, man,
Speaker 1: Almost nobody objected that listen anyway. The only people that
Speaker 1: objected were radio people. No listeners are like, this song
Speaker 1: is not country, the song is not anything. They were like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's a fantastic song, or wow, I love John Marry,
Speaker 1: but we don't play John Marry. That's what they're saying.
Speaker 1: That's what it was, just the thing from the inside.
Speaker 1: It wasn't people that wouldn't embrace it, that listen to
Speaker 1: consume it. And that's the weird part. I try to
Speaker 1: be a person of the people more so than a
Speaker 1: person in the industry. I get you and then that, well,
Speaker 1: that's why I feels so good. Like you said outside
Speaker 1: of the box to give a sense of how different
Speaker 1: the world is. I haven't heard the phrase outside of
Speaker 1: the box. No offense to you. I haven't heard the
Speaker 1: phrase outside of the box in ten years. Everything is
Speaker 1: outside of the box every possible, Like there's no box anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, and I think what you're saying is there's
Speaker 1: a box here, Well, there's a box here to box here,
Speaker 1: and and you know, people have vested interest in keeping
Speaker 1: the box taped up shut you know. And I think
Speaker 1: it's very interesting to say the least, that you're looking
Speaker 1: at it going well, why do you have to keep
Speaker 1: the box closed? Um? And that just goes to show
Speaker 1: you there's there's like when's the last time someone asked
Speaker 1: you what's on your iPod? Once the last time someone
Speaker 1: said like, what genre of music do you like? It's
Speaker 1: all completely disassembled and uh, you know, thank you for
Speaker 1: being a champion of stuff that's cool and fits and
Speaker 1: saying like, well, whatever your notion is of it, you know,
Speaker 1: let's try not putting that, you know, as a barrier
Speaker 1: in front of the song. You know, it's not not country,
Speaker 1: It's true, you know what I mean? Down in Livingston, Montana.
Speaker 1: I live in Livingston, Montana. That's pretty country. That's pretty western.
Speaker 1: That's pretty western. So a body in my backyard, hey
Speaker 1: do you want to? Amy gave him this picture in
Speaker 1: like two thousand and an old six shooter buried in
Speaker 1: the ground. For my birthday, Amy painted this for me
Speaker 1: a long time ago ago? Did you only have like
Speaker 1: one tattoo here? A long time ago? And then I
Speaker 1: started doing silly stuff and say this is you don't
Speaker 1: get to keep it. I'm a fan of Yeah, she
Speaker 1: painted it for me, So if you wouldn't mind signing that,
Speaker 1: I would love to. I'mna put it back in my
Speaker 1: room where it has been a gift from her. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like saying, what do you think UM like
Speaker 1: as an artist? As an artist, I think it's I
Speaker 1: could tell it was me. Yeah, yeah, I want that
Speaker 1: haircut bag. We're gonna play in the blood Busts. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming by. I help shore. It was awesome tonight.
Speaker 1: Thank you and yours too. I want to know how
Speaker 1: the emoji joke works, and I don't think I'm going
Speaker 1: to do that at the operation giving you my cell
Speaker 1: phone number, and I want you to I'm like, I
Speaker 1: have a home number, I'm gonna give you my home
Speaker 1: office and cell phone number. I'm giving you my cell
Speaker 1: phone telephone number. I don't want you to tell me
Speaker 1: how the emoji joke goes, and you can use emojis
Speaker 1: for it. I will not do that at the operate,
Speaker 1: but I'm a California show to California this weekend. We're
Speaker 1: you gonna be in California and so plug it, plug
Speaker 1: it well, trust me, I do enough. But I'll be
Speaker 1: in Monree a modesto both. But like a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of TV bookers are coming out to watch
Speaker 1: because I'm rarely on the West Coast and booking for
Speaker 1: what for lots of shows night slots? Or would you
Speaker 1: would you bail on this dump to be on a sitcom?
Speaker 1: Is this what you're saying? I would not bail, but
Speaker 1: they are coming out. It is kind of a dumpy theories.
Speaker 1: All right. They're gonna give you cones, are gonna give
Speaker 1: you a reserved spot. You're gonna Lisa Porsche Cayenne. You're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna live in Studio City. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: great for you. Your shop at Whole Foods. Oh, I see,
Speaker 1: they're gonna live the life parked right next to Johnny Galecky.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be on a You're gonna be on a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, running to Mario Lopez every damn day and
Speaker 1: forget about all these losers, aren't you? That's the goal,
Speaker 1: all right, John Mayre. Thank you, John. Good to see
Speaker 1: you about it than you have you enjoyed this? This,
Speaker 1: this was You're great. This was great. This is great. Like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't do that. I wouldn't do that. Um, this
Speaker 1: is like we we had a dinner and work already
Speaker 1: on dessert and I'm like, oh, we didn't even really
Speaker 1: get to it. I agree, we could have spent when
Speaker 1: next time you come to town or I'll come over.
Speaker 1: I'll come up to Mindanna. I would love to hang
Speaker 1: out with the dog, would love to all right, here
Speaker 1: we go, John Mayor. Everybody all right there It is
Speaker 1: episode seventy five The Bobby Cast thanks to John Mayer.
Speaker 1: I'm going to twitter now at the Bobby Cast. Its
Speaker 1: awesome to hang out with John Mayor for an hour
Speaker 1: and just talk. It was really fun. And here's a
Speaker 1: little bit of in the Blood from John Mayer. If
Speaker 1: you haven't heard this song yet, I think you should
Speaker 1: listen to it. Check it out. There's in the Blood.
Speaker 1: And we'll see you next week. How much from my
Speaker 1: father am I destined to become? You're that lesson? Sad
Speaker 1: me just to say it is fast and worm, You're
Speaker 1: not let this woman kill me? A joy with Jennis
Speaker 1: Love You're little watch out and water, see it always in.
Speaker 1: I can't feel about