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Speaker 1: Second date, up date. What do you do if you're

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Speaker 2: You know, it really depends on the establishment.

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Speaker 1: Option. Be fake like you're choking, so she gives you

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Speaker 1: the Heimlick and at least you get some action out

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Speaker 1: of it. A couple of broken rams too, and a

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Speaker 1: one breakdown about how this date is actually going so far.

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Speaker 1: I think I take the Heimlich option over that one,

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Speaker 1: And I wonder if our listener Tina wishes she had

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Speaker 1: done the same. So let's talk to Urtina. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 3: Hi, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: That intro makes it sound like you told your date

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Speaker 4: in the middle of it that it was going terribly well.

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Speaker 1: You send us an email about this person's profile that

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Speaker 1: you met on Hinge, and I'm just going to read

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Speaker 1: some of the things that you sent from his bio

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Speaker 1: before we even get to the story.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm interested.

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Speaker 1: So according to this his name is Josh, he's a

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Speaker 1: specialist in education. His profile says he's dating with the

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Speaker 1: intention of marriage.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, sounds like a stable guy, good.

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Speaker 1: Career, and he's into skyscrapers and tropical fruits. Not sure

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Speaker 1: why we would need to know that information for this,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's nice to be over informed sometimes.

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Speaker 5: So you ever put a big apple on the big

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Speaker 5: apple this guy would freely out.

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Speaker 4: Sounds like if there's a lull in your date, you

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Speaker 4: just bring him to a tall building and he's really excited.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, now we have an idea about who

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Speaker 1: Josh is. Clearly you met him on the app. So

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Speaker 1: what did you two do for your date?

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Speaker 3: We actually went to the dow the zoo Zoo.

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Speaker 2: It's a cute date.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a couple of waffle combs and we

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Speaker 3: All right, that's good, I mean, well he did he

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Speaker 3: talked a lot.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay. Does that have anything to do with the

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Speaker 1: thing I mentioned earlier about when the date's kind of going?

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Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, he's the one who asked me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he asked you how the date was going?

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Speaker 3: Yes, because I was being kind of quiet and so

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Speaker 3: maybe he wasn't sure if I was having fun, so

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Speaker 3: he just asked, like, is the date going.

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Speaker 4: Okay, is that the first question he asked you? Because

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Speaker 4: it sounds like he was talking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you say?

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Speaker 3: I was like, do you want me to be honest?

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Speaker 1: I would have been like no, no, and that would

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he said yes please, So I told him directly, well, honestly,

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Speaker 4: Oh, okay, good feedback next day.

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Speaker 1: As a person who talks a lot, it's good to

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Speaker 1: know that. Well maybe, but some people might take that differently.

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Speaker 1: Did Josh seem offended by the critique.

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Speaker 3: No, he seemed more confused, like as if he didn't

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Speaker 2: Oh he did.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: We hung out for another hour, ended up grabbing drinks

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Speaker 3: there because at the Zoom you can buy beer. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: That they're offering alcohol at every kid's place these days.

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Speaker 4: Parents are just like them to like slough shots.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I think it's just beer and wine typically. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's just to take the edge off.

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Speaker 2: It's not to turn up doing body shots at the zoo. Maybe,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you bring your own in.

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Speaker 1: Okay, maybe a little bit of beer. A little bit

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Speaker 3: It actually did.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's just nervous, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you're just a strikingly beautiful woman and he couldn't

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Speaker 1: You said it, she's not denying that. Well, how did

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Speaker 3: Well, at the very end, we just hugged and said goodbye.

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Speaker 3: But while we were there, we worked on like an

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Speaker 1: So the date actually got better then after you told

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually did. Like I mean, he's more mindful.

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Speaker 3: He asked me questions, he allowed me to be Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You did an antelope puzzle. Yeah, I mean it's any date, jeh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, you said it just led to a

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Speaker 3: No we text since then, but they've all been pretty short,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. He talked too much before and now he's

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Speaker 1: I can see that he's over compensating, or it.

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Speaker 3: Could be something completely different that I didn't pick up on.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but you're definitely feeling the vibe like he is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because like I'm sending him Freddy text and Ferdy

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Speaker 1: That never happened, Like Antelope Skyscraper Guava fruits. Problem is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you said it.

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Speaker 1: Je follow me for my sexy Emoji handbook coming later

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Speaker 1: on in this winter. No spoilers, no spoilers. Okay, first,

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Speaker 1: we got to finish this second Date update. We'll call Josh,

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Speaker 1: get some answers and do it right after this hold

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Speaker 1: On Second Date update. I've learned two things so far today.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: One, you don't think at the zoo.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't believe you, of all people didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like you sniff out a beer.

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Speaker 1: Wherever it is, Zoo frequenter. But look for Brooke and

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Speaker 1: Jeffries listener Zoo Crawl coming soon. We'll meet you by

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Speaker 1: the Baboons for Jaeger Bombs.

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Speaker 4: I think it's like, I responsible you have a beer,

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Speaker 4: Jeff Don't only days Yeah on Brook and Jefferies listener

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Speaker 4: Zoo crawl Less passes out in the Bearclosures goals.

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Speaker 1: The second thing I've learned is with enough constructive criticism,

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Speaker 1: you can change a man. Brooke already knew that.

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Speaker 2: She tells me it is not worth your energy.

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Speaker 1: I said that because our listener Tina was honest on

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he heard her. You know, like that's the

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Speaker 2: amazing thing. He's like, oh okay, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Their day actually went pretty good after that. He didn't

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Speaker 1: this that we don't know about yet. So, Tina, even

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Speaker 1: though he has all these issues, why is it that

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, we had fun together and he's like

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Speaker 4: Well, the fact that he.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a big green flag.

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Speaker 4: Well, and anybody who's a talker knows that if you

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Speaker 1: Okay, maybe let's take some of our own advice. There,

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Speaker 1: I shut it, and we're gonna call Josh. Let's listen

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Speaker 3: Here we go, great, Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. Hello. Hey is this Josh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Who's hey Josh?

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Speaker 4: Josh?

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Speaker 1: Good morning?

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Speaker 3: How many parts there?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Yeah, there's there's a lot of us

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Speaker 1: in here. Because we're a show. We're called Brooke and

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey in the Morning, kind of like a Morning Zoo,

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Speaker 2: I worked on a show called The Morning Zoh.

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Speaker 1: God supposed to be a joke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're on the radio right now, Josh.

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Speaker 1: Why why is because we're doing a segment called a

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Speaker 2: It's okay, he doesn't know what it is.

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Speaker 4: No, you're not letting the pause happen. Well, you're doing

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Speaker 1: Don't force it. I'll try it again, Tina. Yeah, Tina,

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Speaker 1: She mentioned the vibe between you may have changed after

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: What did you think about her response?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, of her feedback, I mean she used this analogy.

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Speaker 5: See she called it the stop light rule.

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Speaker 4: Okay, stop light rule when she was talking about how

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Speaker 5: Well, she says that when you've been talking for twenty seconds,

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Speaker 5: because you've started to talk too long. Twenty seconds, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: twenty seconds. And then you said once you hit forty seconds.

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Speaker 1: It's a red light. What that's like a general rule

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she explained the whole thing to me, and she

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Speaker 5: didn't know that, like there was a traffic.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess to get to get conversation going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to count while you were talking.

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Speaker 2: Just now I heard it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't lose it, And this is all feedback you're

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Speaker 2: That would be difficult.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like the rule, but it's stressful.

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Speaker 1: Is that how it felt, Josh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean and I felt like I was like

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when I was sixteen, was.

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Speaker 5: Like speed up now, slow down, I use your blaker merge.

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Speaker 1: She's like, I love the way you parallel park that paragraph. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was perfect. It's understandable. And you know what, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you something here, Josh. I don't think Tina

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Speaker 1: is on the other line right now waiting for me

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Speaker 1: to hit my red light so you can stop talking.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna give her the green to go, So Tina,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. The intersection is yours.

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Speaker 3: Josh, my god, Like, you make me sound so horrible

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Speaker 3: even listening this whole time. Yeah, and you're making me

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Speaker 2: Think he was making you look bad. He was just

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Speaker 2: saying it was overwhelming, Tina. It was a lot for

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Speaker 4: What.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but like, where's the lie? Like I didn't

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, to be honest, when you were talking to

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Speaker 2: Oh why are you so offended? You gave him feedback

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Speaker 2: and now he's giving you feedback.

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Speaker 3: Because he has a tendency to like drone on and on,

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Speaker 3: and he actually thanked me in a moment, and like, Jo,

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Speaker 5: Like, what do you say to that?

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Speaker 3: Did you not ask me to give you honest feedback?

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Speaker 5: Okay I did, but like I wasn't expecting.

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Speaker 3: You like accountability, accountability, Like it's not your fault. You're

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Speaker 3: is you're trying to get better, and like I see

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Speaker 4: I don't don't think it's a compliment you think it

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Speaker 2: It's like you like the person for how they are now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah one day, right, So I didn't mean it like that.

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Speaker 3: I meant it like he's improving every second and he

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Speaker 3: And I also feel like the hosts are not even

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Speaker 2: That's true. I really don't pay that much attention at they're.

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Speaker 5: Not paying attention, like like I'm sure they are because

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Speaker 5: you're being rude and insensitive like.

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Speaker 1: So there take that advice.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm always open for getting better, Josh, But if

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Speaker 3: it doesn't come with a helpful analogy and a short one,

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Speaker 1: Like, actually, the stop like things already been taken, so

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Speaker 1: you need to find another sort of like commuter thing,

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Speaker 5: Complimentship relationships are not supposed to be this hard, especially,

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Speaker 5: but this isn't hard.

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Speaker 2: It's a little confusing.

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Speaker 3: I told you what it was, I explained to you

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Speaker 3: how it works, and I'm pointing out when you go

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Speaker 3: too long. So like, what's so hard about that?

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Speaker 4: It feels like one of those roundabouts where you don't

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Speaker 4: know what the third exit.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give everybody the red light here, okay,

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Speaker 1: And I'm just going to tell you a little fun

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Speaker 1: fact about me is that I am not I am

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Speaker 1: not the best talker either, but I think something we

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Speaker 1: can all agree on. Even Brooke will back me on.

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Speaker 1: This is everybody, all of us here, and every person

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Speaker 1: on earth has areas in their speech they could personally

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Speaker 2: Shut up, What does that have to do with him?

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Speaker 2: Thinking she was rused flaws.

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Speaker 4: Okay, there's an easier way to say that our speech.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think the twenty second rule is real because

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Speaker 5: it gets after that, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Speech. No more advice is needed, and I should just ask,

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Speaker 1: would do you care to both improve each other's lives

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Speaker 1: immensely by going out with one another one more time

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Speaker 1: and we'll pay for it.

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Speaker 3: I mean I would do it again and do it

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Speaker 3: for charity reasons.

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Speaker 1: So that's a big yes from Tina is looking to

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Speaker 1: work and change you over the next few years. Josh,

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Speaker 1: what do you say, will you be her project? I

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Speaker 1: say it under like twenty words. I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: you a yellow light on this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think so. I don't want to feel

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Speaker 1: So a big note from me.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting most people think traffic court is fun. Well,

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Speaker 4: it didn't work out, Tina.

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Speaker 2: It's off. It's so much for.

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Speaker 1: Something Jeffrey in the morning, red Light, green light, yellow

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Speaker 1: fatal and squid game and apparently in the dating world too.

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Speaker 2: How do you not make that connection earlier? It's funny.

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Speaker 1: Probably should have, but maybe we should use it on

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Speaker 1: this show. As soon as Brook starts telling one of

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Speaker 1: her pathetic, ugly duckling childhood stories where she tried to

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Speaker 1: any attention to her. Alexis, you're gonna start holding up

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Speaker 1: colored cards and when it flashes yellow means time to

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Speaker 1: start wrapping the story up.

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Speaker 2: I get red carded and you just.

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Speaker 1: Long Brook to get it. We know he left one

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Speaker 1: was a little wonky and he wasn't interested. We've heard

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Speaker 1: the stories.

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Speaker 4: He was always interested. Job doesn't matter how wonky things are.

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Speaker 1: But if you need help in your dating life, like

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Speaker 1: Brooke did back in her teenage years, you can always

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Speaker 1: email the show. We'll call that person who's not calling

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Speaker 1: you back. And go check out all of our Seconday podcasts.

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Speaker 1: They're up online where you get yours at Brook and

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey