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Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest in my home, you gotta come to me empty.

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Speaker 2: And I said, no, guests.

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Speaker 1: Your presences presents enough. I'm already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to, I said, no gifts. I'm I'm Bridger Wine Gert, the loudest man in podcasting. I'm so excited to have you here today. I hope you're excited to have me. Very little is going on in my life. There's almost nothing happening that's different from last week or the week before. So I don't have anything to tell you, and that's fine. You don't need any more information from me. Only information you need is about our guest. I'm so excited to have him here. Truly, just a joy, none other than John Milstein.

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Speaker 2: John, Oh my gosh, fridgeir.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to, I said, no gift. It's so nice to see you.

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Speaker 2: I'm so thrilled. I'm such a fan of the show. I'm such a fan of you, I'm a fan of the listeners. I'm just excited to be go on my favorite place online and in the world.

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Speaker 3: John, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty well. I just got back from a week long visit with my sweet parents, so I'm thrilled I got to do that. They got vexed. They are in Lakinta, not the hotel, but the beautiful city in the desert and it was great. I am feeling very relaxed.

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Speaker 3: So you were out in the desert and what were you doing in the desert.

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Speaker 2: Well, my nephew is out there, so you got to play around with him. He's two years old. He is a delight. We took him to the skate park. He got to ride on the skateboard there. That was very nice. Yeah, yeah, you skateboard, but does your brother? He doesn't know, OK, but now you know. You can see the influence. Like a skateboard has such an influential power over a child. You know, once they see it rolling through, they just are so excited. And yeah, he's thrilled to skate. I think the nephew may very well skates too. Youryears old. He's so awesome, man, he is really fun. He we went hiking with him. He was talking about how he did a hike on his own little feet. So he has a certain boun of self awareness there about you know, being small, right, that's amazing for a two year old. Yeah, he's so fun. How long have you been skateboarding? Because you're a good skateboarder.

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Speaker 3: I think people kind of know that about you, but it is something that's a surprise, I think because you're you don't strike me as a skater.

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Speaker 2: Punk, right, don't. I don't break rules, but on the skateboard I feel at home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm in skateboarding for I don't know ten Okay, so twenty years pretty much years? Yeah, yeah, more than half my life for sure. Wow.

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Speaker 3: When did you start? Was this like middle school?

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Speaker 2: I was eleven when I started. Okay, I'm thirty years old now, Okay, that's what the information we're trying to get out here. Yeah, let's just set the record straight. Yeah, and like I know, you're a big Tony Hawk pro skater guy. You like to play Tony.

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Speaker 3: Hawk pro skater.

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Speaker 2: You've told me you like to listen to music, find new music. While that's like your meditative quarantine, that thing all I need.

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Speaker 3: That's one of the few things that calms me down anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got into it. You know, Tony Hawk came out, it was the most fun game. All the neighborhood kids started skating, and then yeah, some of us stuck with it and it defined my personality for most of my life. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm interested about the life of an aging skateboarder because you know, you're an adult man now, there's nothing wrong with you go to these skate parks and it's probably largely teens.

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Speaker 2: Well, I feel like I always assume that everybody there is the same age that I am, So like, if someone is twenty five, I just assume they're thirty. Like there may be people there are who are sixteen years old who I just think are also thirty. Yeah, it's my fun. I was at the skate park recently and like a fifth probably like you know, fifteen year old, asked me to film them doing a clip. Sure, and it felt like such a like generation's colliding sort of situation. Where As a millennial, I would never ask another millennial to film me doing something. But I guess gen Z or at least this particular guy is comfortable enough to be like, hey, can you film for like a long time?

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Speaker 3: Right? Like just even asking someone to take your photo feels uncomfortable to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he asked me to heart the clips where he like he almost landed one, and he was like, can you heart that? I'm like, this is crazy. I'm just like managing assets on his phone. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I think, like to answer your question, you know, you try to not get hurt as much as possible, right, Yeah, you try to go there early before there's too many kids flying or flying around, and you can manage your risk pretty with a good amount.

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Speaker 3: Of Do you feel like do you feel like it's becoming more difficult for you as you get older? You know?

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Speaker 2: I was at the skate park with my mom and nephew and my mom said, you look more graceful than you ever have.

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Speaker 3: That was great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was like, you're you're somehow better, You're just more You're very graceful, and so the grace just rises with age, I think. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I saw recently that non video game Tony Hawk had like done his final like he's amazing or something. Okay, yeah, yeah, he did.

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Speaker 2: A seven twenty. He's fifty years old. I mean, you can keep at it. There's this one of the songs Bridger you know this in the Tony Hawk and the Newest Tony Hawk game. One of the songs that played that plays on the soundtrack is called mid twenties Skateboarder.

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Speaker 3: I've never heard this song.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because you stream.

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Speaker 3: Your immediately unless I'm really in a nostalgic mood and I'll let the old music play. Otherwise you have my new tunes. Yeah, the Ska Large Ska soundtrack.

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Speaker 2: One of the songs on the Tony Hawks soundtrack is called mid Twenties Skateboarder, and it's like, the lyrics are mid twenties skateboarder. I hope I don't get hurt, and I'm like when I was in my mid twenties. That's like the prime of skateboarding. Like what is this song? How did it make it all the way to the soundtrack when it totally misrepresents the experience?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that misrepresents just life in your twenties from twenty to thirty. I think is the golden age for the body, right, I mean, yes, you're no longer an awkward teenager, You're no longer an an adult thirty year old.

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Speaker 2: You don't see you don't see a baseball player professional baseball player and says he's a mid twenties baseball player. If they benched this guy.

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Speaker 3: It's like, no, that's when you do sports best. Who is who's behind this mid twenties skateboarder song?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I tried to block it out, you know, I don't I don't want this band. I don't want them entering into my brain.

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Speaker 3: We don't need to give them any more press.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess though. I mean, if you're gonna do that song, you're not gonna you're not going to ride a mid fifties skateboarder anthem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I would, I would listen to that one. Also, sure, there's always I find that, Like there's always a video of someone in his mid fifties going viral or something like that. A skateboarder in there. Like, if you're fifty years old, yor forty five years old, if you have gray hair and you skate, just like get those clips online because you can become a celebrity.

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Speaker 3: People will go nuts for it. Look at this dad skating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get the Grandberry juice. Yeah, take the Grandberry juice out and just roll down the street and viral is in your future?

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Speaker 3: Do you do any other sort of extreme sport?

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Speaker 2: No? I think like like you kind of said, I'm somewhat mild. You know, I'm not like a big risk taker. It's just this one became my thing. But like motor like, I'm not going to hop on a motorcycle. I'm not gonna bungee jump. Like, yeah, skydiving is not my thing.

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Speaker 3: Would you ever skydive?

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Speaker 2: I don't think think so. Uh yeah, I don't think so. My brother did and enjoyed it. What about you, Bridger? Would you do it?

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Speaker 3: I think if first of all, someone else paid for it, yes, And if it was with a company that I knew someone personally had used before, someone that I can say, Okay, that person is still alive. I know them, and they weren't killed in a skydiving accident. I'm willing to use the company they used. I would do it once. The numbers, Yeah, the numbers are good. I mean, like the statistics. People don't die skydiving right at right. Yeah. I just worry about like the physiological reaction I would have as they're trying to push me out of the plane. I wonder if my body would take over and I would become sort of animalistic and you know, push back on the instructor or something to the point that it become right calling it their eyes screaming, and then the plane is in danger. We're all in danger. So that's the one. I just worry about my brain like over writing or would it be your brain overwriting or your body over writing. I don't know, something would snap there's Yeah, I can understand that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the pure pressure that's like built into the waste skydiving is organized probably makes you act so normal. Like the fact that there's multiple people up in a plane together, there's a there's an instructor like literally attached to your back. Everything about it is just forcing you to be like to just not just be cool about the ordinary. Yeah. Yeah, like I do this all the time. I always jump out of planes another day for me, Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I I guess you know, there's like a period I feel like if I can get to like my sixties and still be alive post sixty, I think I'm going to start making a lot of dangerous choices. Yeah, I think I'm willing to skydive. I'm already planning to, you know, in my nineties or hundreds, to try heroin and just start doing things that why not let's get the experience in while we're still alive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, keep things like all completely pushed into that one part of life and do everything as normal as possible until you hit ninety sixty. Right, I just go go absolutely wild.

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Speaker 3: At that point, I'll just allow my body will just be kind of a testing a playground essentially for life's most dangerous things, right right, I mean, what other dangerous things can you do?

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Speaker 2: Get shot out of a cannon? Connections? Yeah, yeah, some sort of like cold submersion, I know that they do.

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 2: Is that certain places you know, like polar swim sort of things that that's maybe just like more it will not harm you, but it won't be fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that to me is just discomfort. That doesn't there's no thrill there except for the fact that you're in agony.

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Speaker 2: Right. It needs to be hot. We need to go on with the hot side of the spectrum.

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Speaker 3: For one.

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Speaker 2: If you really want to the lobster lobster dive, I would.

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Speaker 3: I would really love to be shot out of a cannon. I've not I've never even considered that.

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Speaker 2: But have you ridden a motorcycle.

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Speaker 3: I've ridden a motorcycle, you know. I have two older brothers and a dad, all who are very much like a traditional let's just say it, a guy's guy, right, And so they were all riding motorcycles this sort of thing. So I was pressured into that as a kid, and it was obviously horrible and it was a traumatic experience. I was so bad at it.

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Speaker 2: Where oh sorry, go on.

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Speaker 3: Oh And just in the last couple of years, I've, for whatever reason, something has awoken in me and I'm kind of I like the idea of owning a dirt bike, although Jim says, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: I wonder we're in Los Angeles. You'd have to take it to the desert. And like, actually I was staying out in the desert for a lot of last year at my parents' house there, and they we went to this place called Acatello Wells and it's like the birthplace of off roading. Really, I'd never seen these types of places before, but they're all these you know, in the desert, there's like things are set up for dune buggy riding and four wheeler riding and so this this one park has like all these tracks carved into the sides of mountains. I mean, you can really if you have a dirt bike. You can really get in some really tear it up. Yeah, you can really tear it up. Yeah, I feel like that for you. I would love to give that a shot.

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Speaker 3: I would also like I might become one of those maniacs who drives a dirt bike on city streets. There's something you got.

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Speaker 2: A briefcase dangling off the off the arm like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not interested in regular motorcycles like a bullet bike or Harley or any of those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're so image focused, really, you know, it's like that's a later life thing. I think the Harley you have to be fifty five to really you certainly.

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Speaker 3: Have to be fifty five. You have to be comfortable in a lat you're comfortable on a motorcycle.

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Speaker 2: You have to have like some sort of with the ones that you really lean back on the shoulders has to be like through the roof to just keep your arms at that like sixty degree angle for hours at a time.

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Speaker 3: Posture. What is that doing to your back? No, I mean the dirt bike. I think there's something very exciting, something very like mildly trashy, but there's there's it may become part of my life at the point I mean it'll probably end my relation.

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Speaker 2: I think gen side by side, holding hands on dirt bikes, just bouncing around. I would like to see that all quite a lot. The I like that they do seem so like bouncy and fun. The shocks on those things are really like right, you're like a little bunny rabbit just kind of skipping down the road. I like that.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever been on a snowmobile? No?

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Speaker 2: I I know, like because I'm from New Hampshire, so like you know you're from Utah, we're both from places where people get into fun sports outdoors. But I somehow, yeah, I've never been on a dirt bike. No snowmobile. You know, I've been on a motor boat and I loved it. And I have been on a what is the you know, the motor boat, the motorcycles of the ocean. Yeah, a jet ski or the waves are amazing. I could spend hours.

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Speaker 3: Those are so much fun. I mean, these are all things that I feel like for the most part, jerks, they're kind of they're centric, that's the issue. They're extremely awd. But you get on one and you're having the time of your life.

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Speaker 2: I know. This is why we all need to recognize that, you know, we we love our our beautiful brains, and we love to think that we're you know, beautiful special people. But if you can just like give yourself to the jet ski, you're going to have more fun. Like try to apply that to your whole life if you can.

00:15:51
Speaker 3: I'm fully on board with that. I really I would love to get out on a jet ski and bounce across some way at some point.

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Speaker 2: The doughnuts or straight. There's basically two options, either circles or you know, really trying to see out about how fast you can go.

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Speaker 3: The problem is is you have to find like, I don't want to own any of these things. It seems like a giant hassle to own. So you have to make friends with people who own Yeah, and I don't know a single person who owns any of these things.

00:16:15
Speaker 2: You need some So I've got some Republican friends who with big muscles who will just invite you on the jet Ski Podcast audience.

00:16:25
Speaker 3: If you're an owner of any of these pieces of equipment, I'm looking for friends who own them, and I will be using you. I don't have any interest in actually becoming friends with someone, but I am willing to use someone for their motorsports equipment.

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Speaker 2: So the offers out there, the offers out there. I feel like the biggest, one of the biggest obstacles to me is when you're you see the truck or suv or whatever car that has the trailer with the with the snowmobile or jet ski on it, and just my mind starts thinking about all the hassle of like hitching up the trailer, getting the vehicle on the trailer. I'm like, all these things I just wasn't brought into the world to do, right.

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Speaker 3: I Mean, my dad, you know, as I said, is very into the sort of thing. So I've been a victim to much of this, having to get things on trailers or having to like wash mud off of things after you've used them. No element of that is mostly I need to Yeah, that's in my past. I need to show up, have the motor whatever ready for me to get on. I use it, and then I return and then it's no longer part of line. Yeah, the moment I'm like guiding a trailer into a lake or that kind of thing, I crumble. I absolutely crumble. And the stress is too much.

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Speaker 2: I know. Just work with the nice long haired, laid back gentleman at the rental place who will just push you into the thing, and like, you know, maybe it's not the you want people to get the top of the line jet ski the rental plays.

00:17:56
Speaker 3: I don't need it. I'm not trying to win a race.

00:17:59
Speaker 2: Completely agree. You're not trying to jump the wake here. You're just trying to do a donut. I go home.

00:18:08
Speaker 3: John. Speaking of home, you know you've been to my home. You know where I live. You you know I've given you my address just because we're friends and I trust you, and I feel like John is not a threat to me. John is somebody that could almost be an emergency contact if needed. I trust you. So it was. It was a surprise. It was a mild shuck when recently I opened my front door and some things had arrived, some packages which I I know I hadn't ordered this podcast. You know, you know you knew about this podcast before the podcast even launched, before it was even.

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Speaker 2: Part of so excited to hear about the idea.

00:19:02
Speaker 3: So to say that you are familiar with the podcast, I think is an understatement. At this point, I said no gifts, So you know I've been dealing with some of these feelings of betrayal, some of these just disappointment, anger, this kind of thing over the last couple of days, knowing that you were going to be coming on this podcast and knowing that I had, let's just say it, had been blindsided by something that isn't this kind of this bag that says the bag says one hundred percent authentic, cool and smooth, awesome, my handsome man. I don't know. First I just want to say, John, I hate this bag. I absolutely hate whatever is happening here. I don't know what's going on, but I do have to ask, is this a gift for me?

00:19:55
Speaker 2: Well, Richard, I mean you've cut right to the bottom of the matter. As you said, you told me about this podcast. You know, it must have been a year ago, and I always.

00:20:06
Speaker 3: Thought probably two thousand and five.

00:20:07
Speaker 2: I always thought I want to be the guy to mix it up. And I see myself almost as is an executive producer role associate producer COOE co associate producer, and so I did want to kind of flip the formula and bring a.

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Speaker 3: Gift, Okay, I mean, as your your role as EP COEP, I feel like that this almost feels like a huge misstep on your part, because my heart is pounding, I'm a little hot under the arms. Is that I don't know? I didn't I don't even know what to say.

00:20:44
Speaker 2: But these are the moments we're creating magic here, you know, these are the things that you need sometimes a third eye to step in. You've been running the show with no gifts, and sometimes you need someone to say, what if there were to be the gifts? Right?

00:20:59
Speaker 3: I mean, the the one mistake I think you're making is this is not a live show. So as far as I'm concerned, we'll just edit all of this out and we'll just cut to minute fifty of the podcast when we're wrapping things up and people won't even know.

00:21:13
Speaker 2: So there's an energy, there's a certain energy that will be that you will evince that people will know something magical has happened the viewer.

00:21:21
Speaker 3: My voice will be hoarse from screaming, well, I don't know, I should I open it here on the show? I think so, yes, I'm going to dive in here. Let's pull this tissue out and just get it near the mic.

00:21:41
Speaker 2: Just do that for a moment.

00:21:43
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, so I'm going to get into this bag. There are two things in here. It looks like, I mean, they're both Ian packaging. So I'm going to open them up. Is there a you have no idea what which is which? So I'll open this first one here. It's kind of a brown.

00:21:59
Speaker 2: Bad retailer of some.

00:22:05
Speaker 3: Mominpop dot com.

00:22:09
Speaker 2: Local local business dot org, go on.

00:22:13
Speaker 3: Uh yard sale dot biz. Let's see, I've I underestimated.

00:22:18
Speaker 1: Now.

00:22:19
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I was afraid I wasn't gonna be open this because it's this bizarre packaging that's almost impenetrable. But I'm gonna. Okay, I'm diving in here. What is this? This is okay? So it's a trash stash car trash bag from the company. Let's just name the brand high Road high Road. It sounds like a Christian brand.

00:22:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've I've worked with this all right, I've used this brand of car trash bag before and you stand by high Road.

00:22:55
Speaker 3: Wait, yeah, explain to me why you've given me this. Well, this looks fantastic.

00:23:00
Speaker 2: I think people don't have these in their cars that much. A trash bag, right, and it's absolutely essential. So bridget do you have one? I don't?

00:23:08
Speaker 3: I mean, so this is the history of trash in my car. So I moved to Los Angeles in about twenty ten. I became a production assistant, which means you put a lot of stuff in your car you're driving things around. I did that for about four years. My car essentially became an extremely fast garbage can. I just trash everywhere at all times. And also, you know, there were also various I'm sure psychological issues this kind of thing, just being like, you don't deserve a clean car at any.

00:23:44
Speaker 2: Point, right right, You're making the car reflect your inner self from one of the car to look like you felt.

00:23:50
Speaker 3: So my car was absolutely full of trash. And then I entered my current relationship Jim was not having any of that. I love it the car. And then I sold that car, so I had to. I think I cleaned it once when I sold it.

00:24:06
Speaker 2: That's nice. Oh too, you sold it to a cellar, so you sold it to be presentable, right right right, got it, got.

00:24:12
Speaker 3: A new car in the last few years, kept it clean up until a year ago, which you know, pandemic companies whiltzting.

00:24:22
Speaker 2: Around making the car look the way you feel.

00:24:26
Speaker 3: Once again, Well, I'm eating in the car a lot you know, the big treat is to go get food at a restaurant and sit in the car and eat it rather than eat it at home. So there the glove box is just essentially a bursting with napkins. There's trash.

00:24:41
Speaker 2: So I'm feeling like you're setting me up to absolutely nail it with this gift. This story.

00:24:47
Speaker 3: This is a godsend.

00:24:49
Speaker 2: It's like, I just feel like I had a car and I got a new car, right and when I went for my old car, which had a trash bag in it, to my new car, which briefly did, and I felt completely lost. I didn't know what to do anymore. It's like everybody should have a trash bag in their car. It's just so obvious. I mean, are you not making trash there? I feel like we are. You know, it's and so this one is you know, you clip it to the side of the passenger seat. It hangs over the back of the passengers seat.

00:25:19
Speaker 3: I love that.

00:25:20
Speaker 2: So you kind of get to do a cool guy stretch to throw stuff away, as if you were stretching your arm around. You know, your your this is a great movie theater, your your your boy or gal, and you know now you just dunk it right in the trash. I think. I'm just like so thrilled to hear that you don't already have one.

00:25:40
Speaker 3: Oh, I certainly don't, and this is truly going to turn everything around for me. This is incredible. I mean both of my what is the little side pocket what are those called? Technically?

00:25:51
Speaker 2: Yeah? Cigarette hole? Who knows?

00:25:54
Speaker 3: Ciga? Cigarette holes? Absolutely full of trash. My middle thing full of trash. The floor there's garbage.

00:26:03
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like when I don't have one of these, if a cup comes into my car, a can comes into my car, that becomes the trash can, and I'm like taking the paper wrapper on a straw and stuffing it into the tiny hole on a coke bottle, cutting my finger. Who knows, Like now, yeah, I mean this trash can bridger. It's not big. Not a lot of trash fits in.

00:26:23
Speaker 3: That's good though, but it's a rotting Once it frews up, you've got to empty it.

00:26:28
Speaker 2: I would not go organic in this one. If you organic trash, apple cors go out the window. Still orange peels maybe can go in this.

00:26:36
Speaker 3: I'm going to fill it with things that are decomposing and fill my garden with it later.

00:26:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, compost the back of my car. Yeah. And I'll tell you I looked at other you know, I was on this small time online retailer, you know, looking at the options, and I looked at some other ones. This one is not the most highly reviewed, but it's the one I have.

00:27:00
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, then a trusted friend has used it.

00:27:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to. I had to make the call of you know, maybe since I bought my garbage can, there have been developments in the field and new ones have come in with new technologies. But I know that mine works, so so you have it now. And I've actually gotten it as a gift twice before. But you've gotten it, someone's given it. This isn't a fantastic gift because no one owns these and everyone can use them. Why don't people have these things? It's like, I'll tell you the place where I found out about them was driving in a car with my friend and he had one in his car, and I thought, this is great. I said, man, that's great. I should really have one of those. He said, yeah, it's my mom's car. Only mom's. Only moms have this knowledge of car garbage cans. And I want to spread it.

00:27:46
Speaker 3: I mean, I almost feel like car manufacturers should I mean it should be built into the car.

00:27:51
Speaker 2: I think they wanted to buy a new car instead. You know, your Carmel's up with your ash and then you have to.

00:27:57
Speaker 3: Turn it in well, and I guess there's like it's a hard selling point. Oh, like Honda doesn't want to say built in trash. Can that doesn't sound sexy or appealing, or like that's not in a car commercial. You don't want to hear the announcer saying built in garbage.

00:28:11
Speaker 2: I bet like Elon Musk could make one that like it has a sound effect of like an explosion when you put the trash in, or it says like Kobe or something. They would have a high tech spin on this.

00:28:22
Speaker 3: I feel like he would build in like an incinerator. I feel like a Tesla could have a built in it.

00:28:28
Speaker 2: Just burns your trash. Yes, I think that's right on. You know this feature of Tesla's where they have like a fart sound effect that comes out of the chairs you're sitting. I've never driven in a Tesla. I'm not the right I'm not the expert, but I know that like part of Tesla's thing is like, oh, you can make the lights flash in certain sequence. There's like all these different fun modes and yeah, so one of them is the you can do whoope cushions and your friends.

00:28:54
Speaker 3: I don't support that in any way. It's a horrible idea.

00:28:58
Speaker 2: I agree, a literal clown car. It's just it's kind of sad that, like the good electric car that's actually like not outrageously expensive. Now, I guess you can get a Tesla for like, you know, the price of a nice car. But it's kind of too bad that the elon stink is all over.

00:29:15
Speaker 3: These Yes, each of them's built by a jackass. Although I was talking to a friend about this recently, and I have this almost visceral reaction to him and his company because he's just makes such an ass of himself all the time. But then I don't know anything about Ford or Chevy or any of these companies. I have no opinion on them.

00:29:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, so I yeah.

00:29:41
Speaker 3: Maybe it's because they the power of these companies is spread out among various people, whereas a Tesla it's just this one idiot.

00:29:51
Speaker 2: Although who knows. I mean, I do feel like he is the most visible guy, but they're they're like, does he is he involved in the decision that are being made other than like memes all the time? Yeah, he made that. The other funny guy is John Lagier. I think the T Mobile ceo do you know, I definitely even know he's really funny. He's not the CEO of T Mobile anymore, but he is very big on social media, wears pink all the time the T Mobile color like has like a very long haircut. But but is uh, you know, is grown up, so it looks you know, it's the kind of aging rock star look sure. Yeah. Yeah. To be a CEO of a fortune five hundred company and decide I want the brand to be me being silly, it's like unbelievable.

00:30:38
Speaker 3: I guess it's like maybe the godfather of this is Richard Branson.

00:30:42
Speaker 2: Is that Yeah? That feels right?

00:30:45
Speaker 3: Is he still alive?

00:30:46
Speaker 2: I mean he's the by the way, he's the jet ski king. I feel like, if you want a snowmobile or jet ski or ride a motorcycle, like, call sir Richard because he has all the toys, right.

00:30:57
Speaker 3: He seems like a good time. I feel like he would probably make you feel very uncomfortable. He seems like the sort of person that just expects you to have fun at all times with him.

00:31:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can't believe that. Do you remember, like soon after Obama was no longer president, there were pictures of him like waterskiing with Brandson, per hang gliding or something like that. It's just so fun to think, like, you become president, you're done. You want to figure out how to spend your time, and like Richard Branson is just in your voicemail or whatever, like come play around with my toys.

00:31:30
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's a very aggressive uncle energy there that I don't know time I've Richard Branson when I was working as a production it's just an At some point I think I had to carry his luggage from his helicopter and it had no interaction with him whatsoever. But that was I remember the helicopter landing and then the luggage coming out, And that was my experience with Richard Branson.

00:31:55
Speaker 2: So so you knew that somewhere in the helicopter he was sitting there, you know, maybe flipping through a catalog of fun things to buy.

00:32:05
Speaker 3: Bounce houses. Yeah, okay, this trash bag is fantastic. I mean, you know, it's like every fifth guest on this podcast brings something that's just like a life changing. It's utilitarian, yeah right, which is so wonderful and so I can't. I'm also looking at it's leakproof, and the image they have on it is a person literally pouring juice into the into the garbage can, which feels like a weird move.

00:32:35
Speaker 2: One funny thing about these is they're always advertised as like since they're sealed up, a lot of these garbage cans in the car are advertised as like it can be a garbage can, or you put an ice pack and a couple of soda and then there, all of a sudden, it's cooler. It's like, I don't have put my food in the garbage, Like, what are you talking about?

00:32:53
Speaker 3: Throw a couple of hogies in your garbage?

00:32:55
Speaker 2: Yeah? Just eat out of the garbage at the beach, Like what could be better?

00:33:00
Speaker 3: Oh all right, let's get into whatever else is happening here, because we do need to see what is next now this Okay, I keep worrying that I'm not gonna be able to open these packages, but I think I should be able to.

00:33:13
Speaker 2: There we go, nice ASMR again.

00:33:16
Speaker 3: Dive into oh this is double package, so we're getting every type of sound you could.

00:33:21
Speaker 2: Possibly at them.

00:33:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:33:22
Speaker 2: I told them to be very safe with this one. As many packs as possible full of black pepper or something. It's just gonna boil in my face.

00:33:30
Speaker 3: Let's see.

00:33:32
Speaker 2: Oh, so this is kind.

00:33:33
Speaker 3: Of a wh I smelled it before I got it, John, Have you ever been in my car? I feel like this is I never have.

00:33:40
Speaker 2: So this was the compliment gift to the first gift. The first gift is the headline. But yeah, please please tell the listeners You've.

00:33:47
Speaker 3: Given me several air fresheners. I've gotten a Royal Pine, a new car, sent black ice, rainforest miss and bayside breeze at The smell of these combined is not as confusing as you would imagine.

00:34:05
Speaker 2: Wow, you have a very good nose. Your nose is like the twenty twenty vision. But for smelling.

00:34:10
Speaker 3: I was just having this argument with Jimmy was telling me that I can't smell anything. But huh, I think I've just proven him very hard.

00:34:16
Speaker 2: Have him listened to this show? Yeah? Or use these nude gifts to, you know, prove yourself in some sort of demonstration.

00:34:23
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm gonna smell each I'm trying to determine where the actual smell is coming from.

00:34:29
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit confused that you can even smell them through the These are like the classic trees, right. I love that. I love a tree, me too, me too, you.

00:34:38
Speaker 3: Know what I don't. It's very interesting because individually you can't smell these, but they've been wrapped up in this little thing, and I think the scent just managed to make it out into the thing. And now, oh, okay, I just smelled royal pine. But now you know what I'm smelling is the scratcher. I think there's a scratcher on the front.

00:34:56
Speaker 2: Oh, that's probably what the smell of the bag too. Now that makes sense. I was of smell escaped from the newly sealed I thought, maybe you know, these had been stuffed back in the bag by some rascal.

00:35:06
Speaker 3: These are pre postman could smell them, and they open it up for a little taste of his own. Do you do you use a car freshener in your car?

00:35:14
Speaker 2: I do, and and so yeah, I mean I got the car trash bag. I thought this would be a fun compliment. And I'll tell you that I love the trees. And I recently went into to write eight and tried to get you know, you assume that basically every store is going to have the tree. You know, usually it's like black black ice or new car smell, those are common ones. But they didn't have it. So I got one of the like oil pods they put on your air conditioner thing.

00:35:42
Speaker 3: That's right.

00:35:43
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was so much worse. It like, I immediately took it out. It suck.

00:35:48
Speaker 3: You're getting blasted with that, right, Yeah you don't.

00:35:51
Speaker 2: I don't need to, Like, I just want a reminder that my car smells good. I don't want the whole driving experience to feel like, you know, I'm trapped in a smell.

00:35:58
Speaker 3: You don't want to smell like your car after you get out of it.

00:36:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now it's funny I store, I took this pot out. I don't am bad at throwing things away. I can't like say I don't want this, I'm gonna throw it away. I'm always like, maybe I'll want to later. So I have it in a little I have a little box where I keep my masks, and so now my masks are like poisoning me with car smells. Whenever I put them on it. It's so I just wanted to prevent you from from having that fate.

00:36:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want one of those. And I don't like the ones that are like a little cat food can do you know those ones?

00:36:31
Speaker 1: Oh?

00:36:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that you put in the car in the well? Here's the thing. These usually go in the cup holder, right, that's like the.

00:36:38
Speaker 3: Place these go. Oh, the cat food can once go in a cat holder.

00:36:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, they much right, which your cup holders now are going to be beautifully empty because you have the car car trash can. So maybe you know, who knows, maybe you will decide later on that you want the cat food.

00:36:52
Speaker 3: Those ones. I have a very you know, my my feeling anytime I see one of those that I just imagine wet fish or dog food or whatever, and it's a confus It sends so many confusing signals to my brain. I feel like, what are they full of gel or slime or I mean, you know, scented meat. I don't know.

00:37:13
Speaker 2: I feel the same way about the oil pod ones and generally about diffusers, Like I love candles, I love incense, right, smell great, But a diffuser, I don't know, it just is weird to think of the oil. I don't like the oil as a smell.

00:37:30
Speaker 3: Right, the essential oil, the whole essential oils industry is a little there's a lot of stuff going on there that I don't trust.

00:37:39
Speaker 2: Yes, where are they getting the oil? Yeah?

00:37:44
Speaker 3: So, and what is the oil doing once it gets into my lungs? And I don't need that blasting out of my air conditioner. And then also I feel like if you turn on the heat, you're getting the hot smell.

00:37:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a good point.

00:37:57
Speaker 3: I've never it doesn't sound good.

00:37:59
Speaker 2: I just kind of feel like we cracked it with the trees. Like the things that hang they look cool, they smell great. It's not overpowering. You can do that thing where you and it's what you're instructed to do on the bag. You like cut the bag from the top and then slide it down to reveal more of the.

00:38:17
Speaker 3: Oh, kind of slowly undressing the tree.

00:38:20
Speaker 2: Yes, but I feel like that's if you're really that's like depression era. It's a Frair freshenery treatment, Like you know, this is why I got you six. So you can kind of feel like, just put it in there, get the full blast and then switch it out when I.

00:38:34
Speaker 3: Think that's like when these were person invented, they were probably each eighty dollars. Yeah, right, and now you know it's just how much does an air freshener cost? Let me try to guess. This feels prices right to me. I'm gonna guess it's like three dollars. Well, here's what I think. Are you asking how much I paid for the ones that I got for you? I want to just hear it no, because I feel like that's a little ghost.

00:38:56
Speaker 2: It's a little ghost.

00:38:57
Speaker 3: I mean I did.

00:38:58
Speaker 2: I did pick these air Freshness, you know, because they're the best so well, price didn't enter into the equation.

00:39:03
Speaker 3: But I'm trying to figure out what someone would pay for an air freshener. I'm going to say I don't want to get it wrong because I do want to be correct, but I feel like the value you're getting like a twelve dollars value. But I can't imagine someone's paying twelve dollars for one of these, and it feels like a three dollars thing.

00:39:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you can. Really this is an example of they will determine your need and I can knick you off. You know if you're in the right aid, like and it's just the one air freshener without others, you know that they know that you really need the single package air freshener, and they'll they'll they'll charge you five dollars.

00:39:44
Speaker 3: Charge you whatever they want because they know you're sick and they know you're weak and you need these things.

00:39:49
Speaker 2: But I think, like, if you're at maybe the autos, like I don't know where you would get a good value on them, but if you buy But what I'm trying to say is if you buy them in bulk, if you buy them with mindfulness, you can get a good a good price. But if you're if you're buying them impulsively, you can get really royally screwed.

00:40:06
Speaker 3: Really ripped off. Yeah, this is making me think something I've never spoken to anyone about before. This is not a personal issue, So I don't know why I'm bringing.

00:40:15
Speaker 2: It up like this.

00:40:16
Speaker 3: But why do you have any idea why at a car wash they sell greeting cards? Why is that a thing? Is that universally true as in my personal experience? And I don't want to speak for the listener or for you, but I feel like every time I met, like, you know, a car washer where you get out of the car and then they drive it through the tunnel.

00:40:36
Speaker 2: I'm being presented with greeting cards. Maybe it's because they know you have idle time. That's like, you know, they just want you to do another errand and keep you in the in the seats, keep feeding you that good, good powdered coffee that they have there. And yeah, personally, I like, I don't want to change the subject, but I don't go to those sit down car washes all that much.

00:41:01
Speaker 3: Right where are you?

00:41:03
Speaker 2: Yeah? I go to the self spray.

00:41:06
Speaker 3: The self spray.

00:41:07
Speaker 2: It's a blast. It's like, I have so much fun.

00:41:09
Speaker 3: Do you get that giant gun?

00:41:11
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? I mean, like sure, I don't think that the value there is even very good because you end up paying like eight dollars and you don't do as good a clean on your car as you would if if, even if you drove through the tunnel, right, you know, the automated one. But it's fun and you need to feel like a you know, you feel like a young spirit and you know you feel sexy. What can I say? You know, you're just you're wet. You're having fun, like it's just a good time.

00:41:38
Speaker 3: You're in your bikini.

00:41:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, California, the sun's shining.

00:41:43
Speaker 3: You want surfing Safari. I do like the kickback of that gun that you get to blast your car with and you really feel like you're just giving it to your car while you're doing it. And you get to use the giant brush. Yeah, but there's the panic. It's you know, feeding the machine, it's the quarters. You're like, I'm running out of time. Have I used this part enough? I don't know.

00:42:05
Speaker 2: Luckily a lot of them do use the credit card now. But I actually like that. The panic element is kind of part of the appeal for me. It's you feel like you're on a pit crew and it's a NASCAR race and you got to wash that car as fast as possible so the driver can win the race. I've never seen NASCAR, but I assume that that's what they're doing.

00:42:21
Speaker 3: Feels right, Yeah, I feel like part of NASCAR, the pit crew should always have to do a highly detailed cleaning job each time around the track.

00:42:29
Speaker 2: Yeah right. People aren't watching the show to see when you're dirty, Josh Joe Oppi's you know, farting down the track. They want they want to clean stuff.

00:42:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, I occasionally go to one where that you get out of the car then it gets dragged through the machine. But my preference is the one where you sit in the car and it drags you through and then you're getting like the lava.

00:42:54
Speaker 1: You know.

00:42:54
Speaker 3: These these are like the last bastion of maximalism in America. I feel like we're all there's like lights flashing, there's colored soap blasting down on your car. I find it very exciting. And the tackiness and the absurdity of the car wash is one thing that minimalism has not gotten to.

00:43:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need like a bone a petite car wash, curated experience. Yeah, mid century soap, I'm not sure.

00:43:26
Speaker 3: All polished wood and concrete, that sort of thing. No, if that ever happens, joy will be finally dead. I need a car wash that feels like I'm going through a laser tag arena, that kind of thing.

00:43:38
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's you feel the child childish wonder in those spaces designing these things. I think it's money to the ones that are like clearly a modular order from a catalog type of car wash, you know what I mean. Like often attached to a gas station. Right. Sometimes it's like in these ones, your car stays still and the cage of soap moves around right like machine and that that you know, it feels like it's trying to recreate the experience of the ones where you're getting pulled through the track. Right. It doesn't, it doesn't come close.

00:44:14
Speaker 3: I need to feel the roller coaster, the world's slowest roller coaster, pulling me through towards the giant brushes those what are those giant tentacles that kind of just wave.

00:44:25
Speaker 2: Around so wonderful.

00:44:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have to feel one of those just slap against my face.

00:44:30
Speaker 2: That's that, honestly, is the newest millennial innovation. If they can do an airbnb that's car wash themed and the shower is like a car wash with blacks dragging all over you, yeah, I would pay for that. I would buy a group on.

00:44:49
Speaker 3: What air freshener do you currently have in your car?

00:44:53
Speaker 2: Well, after the chemical one, the oil pod got thrown out, I should out of luck and and so I have nothing, but but the one I had before was I was with my family in Idle Wild and we went to ah there's like a nursery there and in the nursery, which is very cool in Idlewild that recommend you visit. Lovely there's a like an airstream in the back that has a lot of National Park themed gifts. And my family and I were also we think of ourselves as such outdoorsy people, we got suckered in by the National Park air fresheners we were we were paying now that in that time we were paying eight dollars for the air fresheners for individual ones. That's a lot of money just because they were themed.

00:45:45
Speaker 3: It was like, how are they shaped?

00:45:50
Speaker 2: They were shaped like tents and bears and moose.

00:45:54
Speaker 3: That sounds adorable.

00:45:55
Speaker 2: They were gorgeous and and the sense were very cool. It was like, you know, more like it's like tobacco type or like you know, like these kind of car yes, yeah, right, but they didn't smell that strongly. Oh okay, I.

00:46:14
Speaker 3: Mean I think you know that's kind of the trend in sense is you want to really subtle?

00:46:18
Speaker 2: What is it?

00:46:19
Speaker 3: Is it peturely?

00:46:21
Speaker 1: Yes?

00:46:21
Speaker 2: Petrurely? Pet I don't know. I think it's like a seventies I think like guys in the seventies used it as like cologne. I don't know what are we talking about?

00:46:32
Speaker 3: What is the object in the real world. I can't even visualize what that would be.

00:46:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, and I don't want to know. But but yeah, the last air Fisher was like shaped like a tent, which is to be trying to project this image of a guy who likes to go outside. That's how I want the word.

00:46:48
Speaker 3: But I don't feel like you're projecting that image. You're really that person. I know for a fact you went on a high class night.

00:46:53
Speaker 2: That's true.

00:46:54
Speaker 3: And like hiking, you're the one person I can count on to hike.

00:46:59
Speaker 2: I love to hike. Yeah, yeah, I I know, but it's you know, it's also it's it's a chosen identity in a way, isn't it, though Bridger aren't don't we all wear a mask? I don't know. My mask is a hiker's hat and yeah so, but yeah, we have had fun on our night.

00:47:19
Speaker 3: I love night hikes are new to my life, and they feel slightly dangerous. They feel slightly like you're trust passing. Yeah, they're quiet sometimes you are, sometimes you are, and that's fine. Trustpassing is great.

00:47:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was there last night, so I will blow up the spot here and say it's Griffith Park in Los Angeles and you can go at night and it's such fun. I recommend all the LA listeners try it out, but maybe not on Friday because that's when me and my friends tend to go and we like the sol dude. But yeah, no, as it closes at ten, and then there will be park rangers telling you or you know, park staff telling you you at ten get out of the park. But the joke's kind of on them because getting out of the park is what you came here to do. You came to walk around the park, So I'm not yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, if you're at the top of the mountain and they tell you to get out, that's what you were going to do anyways. So it's kind of a perfect crime in that sense.

00:48:18
Speaker 3: Have you have you had a park ranger come up to you? I know we haven't had. During our various night hikes, we have not been harassed yet.

00:48:26
Speaker 2: This was yeah, someone in a truck. Did you know? This was by the observatory, which is sort of the more high exposure area, right, That's where that's where you can really you really have to watch your back and somebody did kind of poke his head up to the window of his truck and say, please leave. But that was that was the extent of it.

00:48:46
Speaker 3: Before we you know, before we move on, I do want to ask about black ice. That's the one thing I need to know. What is the black ice smell?

00:48:53
Speaker 2: I think black ice is like, that's the masculine scent if you're a guy again, that meaning, well, you know, it's funny like so I think it's like a picture men's cologne. That's I think what Matt black eyes smells like. Okay, but as I was shopping for air fresheners, I always thought black ice was the de facto masculine guy air freshener. If you know, if you don't want bubblegum or a strawberry, say, but there's also one that's like by this Tree brand that's like steel and the image sprinted on the tree is like a steel grade or something like that.

00:49:32
Speaker 3: Oh boy, that sounds completely unappealing.

00:49:35
Speaker 2: How does this company have such a complete stranglehold on the market, Like this Tree company with a yellow label is just they have it.

00:49:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't tell you another brand of car air freshener outside of the wet cat food thing. But as far as the dangling ones.

00:49:52
Speaker 2: Forget it.

00:49:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know that needs to be disrupted by by it, you know, very millennials or what have you.

00:50:01
Speaker 2: I want yea subscription scented. Oh that's a great idea, which they send you a new one and it's like, yeah, it's kind of more low key sense.

00:50:11
Speaker 3: Right, new one every month for seventy dollars. Yeah, that feels like a thing that's just ready to happen. That's a shark tank pitch. That's part of what this podcast is. It's just thinking of new shark tank pitches.

00:50:25
Speaker 2: I feel like and have any gone to the tank? Yet?

00:50:27
Speaker 3: None of gone to the tank. I'm sending these ideas out to listeners kind of just you know, take it, take it to the tank and see what happens than I sue, And so that's a new one that you John can take to the tank, a listener can take to the tank. I don't have the willpower. I can barely do anything that I'm interested in. Let alone and invent a new product.

00:50:48
Speaker 2: Right, yes, starting a business right that's.

00:50:51
Speaker 3: Not for me?

00:50:51
Speaker 2: That can happen.

00:50:52
Speaker 3: I would like to get on the tank. At some point, I don't want to do any of the pitching. I feel like there's yelling there.

00:50:59
Speaker 2: I think, I like, I think any team that already has a product, idea pitch that's ready to go to kind of bring you in as sort of the is maybe the silent partner, you know, just sort of projecting confidence in the products from the stage.

00:51:14
Speaker 3: I want to be the third person in the pitch, and my only line is I'm just here to meet Barb and right, I have nothing to do with this product outside of wanting to say hello to Robert. That kind of thing.

00:51:27
Speaker 2: I would definitely tune in John.

00:51:29
Speaker 3: Let's move on. It's time to play a game. We've got to play a game. Do you want to play Gift Master or Gift or a Curse?

00:51:36
Speaker 2: For me, the answer couldn't be more obvious. It's got to be Gift a Curse. And although both games are great, but I just I really want to I feel like Gift or a Curse. I mean, the listeners know it's the one game where you really get to kind of compete with Bridger himself. The other game that is not as so combative, So I prefer I'd prefer to really get get real and raw.

00:52:02
Speaker 3: Well, this is going to get nasty. I've held myself together as long as I can on this podcast, and now this is the part where you and I are going to really butt heads and there's chance that there will be some screaming, hurt feelings just forgiven words.

00:52:19
Speaker 2: Yes, you will step in everything. Okay, they'll maybe come to.

00:52:23
Speaker 3: My house, Okay, gift or a curse it is. People have become very active on the Instagram, of course, listener. You can come and you know, you post it, post it to your stories, and then everybody votes on it. And that's also I'm getting a lot of people saying angry things at me, and I'm saying, you know what, I'm just reposting these people's stories. These aren't even my suggestions at this point. These are unauthorized, are authorized, sanctioned events. I'm just bringing them forward to be voted on. So leave me, b Maybe it's just the con of this game gets everybody hot, gets everybody bothered. Okay, John, I need a number between one and ten from you.

00:53:07
Speaker 2: Three three.

00:53:08
Speaker 3: I like a low number. Okay. You know, right now, you have to promote something, you have to recommend something, you have to do whatever you want. While I go and calculate, I'll be right back.

00:53:17
Speaker 2: Okay, great, Well, I'm so thrilled to be here and have this time with the listeners. I would like to promote, first of all, check me out online Twitter dot com at Jmilstein. That is a fun space. I work on a podcast called What a Day from Cricket Media. Tune in and it's a news podcast. You can get sort of a twenty minute digest all the things you need to know, nothing that you don't. Also, I'd like to recommend the app Canopy. It's the LA Public Library or any public library can use this streaming service to give you the movies that you want, nothing that you don't. Just like my podcast, and it's a little more intellectual than Netflix. And I'll leave it at that. John, It's free. Excellent.

00:54:05
Speaker 3: You're You've had a whole range of types of promotions there. I mean, my big promotion for you listener, Go find John anywhere you can on the internet. He posts videos that are maybe the absolute cream of the crop. A very funny person we're dealing with here. Find him on the internet. And yeah, excellent use of that time and Canopy. You're you're doing a public service here.

00:54:29
Speaker 2: It's so great.

00:54:30
Speaker 3: You believe Canopy to me? Right, it's great. Yes, it's like you know, it's not just you know whatever trash streaming company has you know, sanctioned. Yeah, dumped out. It's like you're going to the library and getting some good choices.

00:54:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of a twenty four movies on there. Great. I love that Alex Gibney documentaries. Oh that's my favorite place to dive in. Okay, yeah, on Canopy. I just I'm obsessed.

00:54:56
Speaker 3: Okay, excellent. But enough, it's time to play the Gift or a Curse. I'm gonna name three things. You're gonna tell me if it's a gift or a curse?

00:55:05
Speaker 2: And why?

00:55:06
Speaker 3: And there? You know, John, you know this. There are correct answers, there are wrong answers. The chance of you just falling flat on your face is, i mean higher than ever. So I just want you to be careful. Okay.

00:55:19
Speaker 2: I feel good. I feel I'm going to come into this game with a ton of confidence and I'm.

00:55:24
Speaker 3: Gonna tell you to do I will win, okay, John. Number one, This is a listener suggests suggestion gift or a curse? Opening bands. The bands that open the concert, the band that play before the other bands at the concert.

00:55:43
Speaker 2: I am going to say, and this is not if you're a musician, I don't want this to make you feel defeated. But for me, it's a curse. You know, typically the band you want to see plays for a half hour to an hour. That's the amount of energy that you probably have in the night to be very invested in music, and you know, you want to be a supportive audience member. You don't want to feel like you missed the opening band. But ultimately it's more of an exercise and support for the most part than it is in enjoyment. And that's why I will say that it's a curse.

00:56:26
Speaker 3: John, you came into this game with an enormous amount of confidence and it's failed you. It's like I think that opening bands are a gift. I mean, right out of the gate, you've failed. Look, it gives let's say, worst case scenario, it's a horrible band. Usually it almost always is. It gives everybody something to complain about and talk to discuss. It's a memorable experience. It's this nice buffer when you can kind of just be with friends, figuring out the venue, space. Oh wow. Best case scenario, you find a new band you like to listen to.

00:57:08
Speaker 2: See. I knew you were a lover of music, but I also know that you are a guy who has particular tastes, and I would have thought I'm approaching this game from the completely right angle. And you know, I did speak my truth. I do believe what I said. I stand by it.

00:57:25
Speaker 3: Look, I understand your look. I see where you're coming from. All that said, you're wrong. You've answered incorrectly, which is a strike against you, not only as a game player, but as a person.

00:57:39
Speaker 2: And right well, I've also exposed myself as a ya not a patron of the arts. It's sort of a cop. I'm sort of the resident cop on the show.

00:57:47
Speaker 3: At this point, we've brought in an arc and I don't even know what to tell on anyone anymore. I don't even know if I'm a march forward with the game. Okay, look, a lot of opening bands are terrible, but I'm saying Gift John has zero so far, and that's fine.

00:58:06
Speaker 2: Sometimes they I know that sometimes you tend to add an extra round in this game, sort of a person who's missed the first one back an opportunity to get three out of three. But we'll see if that happens or not. I'm not sure if it will happen.

00:58:16
Speaker 3: All right, John, Okay, second up? Okay, And you know I can occasionally struggle here and that's fine. Everyone has is patient with me, and they're okay with me.

00:58:28
Speaker 2: Doing this is he's doing minority report type gestures, multiple touch screens around in front.

00:58:34
Speaker 3: Of Tom Cruise trying to solve a pre crime. I have actually lost the next one. This is what the listener loves. They love to listen to me just kind of scroll through a Google doc. That's what keeps people coming back to this podcast. Oh, okay, gift or a curse? This is also a listener suggestion. And this is from somebody named Lizzie Gifter a curse. Dry brushing your body before the shower?

00:59:03
Speaker 2: Wow? Are you familiar with the of my death? Here? Dry brushing your body before a shower. I've never done it, I'm not I was not aware that it was practiced by people. And I'm trying to figure out what type of brush you use or where. I wonder if you do it, like I mean, presumably this to get off dead skin, right.

00:59:28
Speaker 3: Right, kind of exfoliating. I'm imagining kind of a horse brush, something rough.

00:59:36
Speaker 2: I'm imagining, like, you know, as close to sandpaper as you're willing to put on your body. Okay, so dry brushing your body. As someone who's never done it before, I will say that it kind of sounds like a gift to me because any thing that makes your shower routine longer was basically good. I mean, this is the most relaxing time of day that we have, right, You're it's completely focused on yourself. It's yeah, it's a selfish act, but one that we should all enjoy. It's right care and I would presume having exfoliated before that if you dry brush before you shower, then you get in the shower, your skin is as silky as can be, and so you probably feel great. It probably makes the shower enhanced. So it's a major gift for me despite not having done it. But maybe I'll try it now if I can find the right brush.

01:00:37
Speaker 3: Right, John, you got it right. Look, I've never dried brush before a shower before, but everything you've just said makes perfect sense to me. This is exactly what I was thinking when I read this suggestion. I think exfoliation probably should happen outside of the shower. I don't feel like an expoliation when you're wet, it doesn't seem like you can exfoliate as much. But if you've got this sandpaper that you're basically just burning your skin off in the before you step into the shower, that makes sense to me. This sounds like a new trend that like people with more money than me are onto like fancy people are out there doing this, and then I'll come out to it in ten years. I mean, I don't even know where I would begin to look for an exfoliation dry brush.

01:01:24
Speaker 2: What does that look like? My question is where you do this, because it seems like it creates, you know, some waste, you know, right, this this whatever you're brushing off has to go somewhere. Do you do you have a special room? Do you do it? You know, in the your skin very garbage can Yeah.

01:01:40
Speaker 3: Right, So that's why I'm saying that you've got to have a lot of dough for this sort of thing, otherwise your house is going to be full of down again.

01:01:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got a skin warehouse instead of home. Yeah, maybe you do it in the yard before hosing down. Yeah, probably you do it in the shower before the shower. Oh, that's you're trying to face it on and then you let the skin just swirl down the dream.

01:02:00
Speaker 3: Creating some sort of clay monster in the.

01:02:02
Speaker 2: Gear which will attack you from the Yeah.

01:02:08
Speaker 3: The problem with doing it in the shower to me is like I'm worried about the dry brush getting wet, and then my shower becomes an anxiety nightmare. I'm worried about where to keep this thing. I don't know. That is the one element of this that doesn't make any sense to me.

01:02:25
Speaker 2: And it's also interesting how the shower is such a comfortable, comforting, relaxing space when the water's on, but when the water's not on, it's a bit of a scary. It's an uncanny, feeling, unhygienic space.

01:02:38
Speaker 3: Right, you're in there and you're thinking I shouldn't be here.

01:02:41
Speaker 2: You feel like you're like a dog and someone's about to come in and do the wash to you, or a baby or something like that.

01:02:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, the shower. You make a very good point. The shower without the water on, it's you're maybe hiding from a killer. There are very few times that you're in the shower without and then also the water is not hot yet, you need to turn the water on and let it wark you're going to get a blast of cold water. The more I don't want, I don't want to get away from saying this is a gift.

01:03:12
Speaker 2: We established, there's no way that can be reverse.

01:03:16
Speaker 3: Okay, let's move on the final one here. Let's say this is one of my own own little suggestions. Gift or a curse?

01:03:26
Speaker 2: Off leash dogs? Oh well, this is interesting because you and I are both from the country Utah, New Hampshire. We love to let our animals run free. Yes, but we're in the city now and so it's quite a different different thing. Is it in a public space or.

01:03:50
Speaker 3: The assumption here is that the dog is off leash and other people are nearby.

01:03:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, and I think it's a curse, because yeah, you just you don't want to force your dog on other dogs in the way that. I'm not a dog owner, but I am a dog fan, and I know how they work, and I know that an off leash dog is bound to interact with other dogs in the way that may be unwanted. They can obviously run away if they're a terrier type rat chasing dog. They'll just disappear into the woods. And you know, as nice as it is as a person for someone else's off leash dog to come up and approach you and you get to meet a new dog, it just seems like they risk outweighs the reward. So for me, it's a curse.

01:04:37
Speaker 3: John, what a way to turn this game around? You get another I'm everything you've just said makes perfect sense. I think when a dog is off leash, it's just this weird assumption. The dog owner is making so many assumptions about everyone else that they're comfortable with the dog. They're assuming that the dog may not run off. There's just so much immediately. Of course, I'm sure undoubtedly there's someone listening to this that's going to complain dogs should be off when other people are nearby. And I'm a dog owner. I love your dog, well, well she's a queen's an absolute empress, and I love a good dog. But I also am always acutely aware of other people's comfort around dogs, and not everyone's comfortable around a dog.

01:05:30
Speaker 2: You're a well behaved guide generally, I mean, I feel like you're you're aware of people's comfort around. You know, just generally, you're you're making sure to not disrupt people's day.

01:05:39
Speaker 3: Outside of when I'm dancing. I'm trying to keep.

01:05:42
Speaker 2: Wrapping or styling or something like that.

01:05:45
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I try to keep it in control. And I think, you know, I understand that. You actually I don't understand. Put the dog on a leash. You're I feel like you're protecting the dog, you're protecting other people. Everyone feels more comfortable. It's just kind of a rude move.

01:06:04
Speaker 2: And if you're lucky, you'll have you'll be able to take the dog to a space where they can be awfully right. Take it to the leash dog park. Yeah, at af leash dog park, you know, your mom's backyard.

01:06:15
Speaker 3: Take it to the country and run around.

01:06:18
Speaker 2: Go ahead, wind in its hair, yeah, tail flapping in the wind.

01:06:22
Speaker 3: It's right. But uh, okay, we've said enough. You've said enough. I've said enough.

01:06:28
Speaker 2: You've gone two out of three. Jump. I was going for three out of three. You know, the first one was a little bit weird. I think people, the listeners will agree. You know, there's a lot of three.

01:06:38
Speaker 3: Like the listener would have turned on you. They would have thought this guy is too polished, cheating. This guy's slick. I don't like this this image he's projecting. H Two out of three people like imperfection. That's the one thing that we know on podcasts, they love these deep dives into people's imperfections. And you've really revealed how flawed you are.

01:06:59
Speaker 2: I'm the underdog. I'm flawed, and I remained the underdog, and I'll be the underdog favorite for years to come. I think.

01:07:08
Speaker 3: Okay, let's move on. Final part of the podcast. I said no emails. People are writing into I said no gifts at gmail dot com and they have various gift related issues in their lives. Let's read one or two. John, you have to help.

01:07:23
Speaker 2: I can't wait. I'll do my best. I mean, I nailed it with the trash bag. But going on right, you did nail with the trash bags. Listener, No, I hope that you just keep recommending the trash bag.

01:07:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:07:34
Speaker 3: This first one just says high Bridger. So this person has Usually they'll write into the guest. This person is oh. Actually, first line of the thing says, I hope you and your guest can help me. There we go, So they have considered you, me and my partner have been recently going through a very rough patch in our almost seven year long relationship. We recently started couples counseling, but unfortunately no real results yet. We're in a weird place in our relationship, but we do still love each other and I'd like to get him something to do or do something nice, oh, for Valentine's Day. Okay, so we're recording this in March, so we're gonna march forward here. There's nothing we can do. What gifts do you recommend for me in this strange situation? Thanks? That's for Meg. Meg. First of all, greatest apologies that we have missed Valentine's Day by and by the time this airs, I mean probably two months.

01:08:30
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think it's true that you know, the holiday was created to sell cards. You can celebrate Valentine's Day in March, you can celebrate it in April, you can celebrate whenever you want air.

01:08:42
Speaker 3: I mean, first things first, Meg, Let's say, let's hope the relationship has repaired or ended. Let's hope you're in a good place. Meg. If you're still in the relationship, hopefully things have improved and you can say, you know what we were in a rough patch on February fourteenth. Thank god Bridger didn't add to this question. We would have, we would have forced the thing. Let's celebrate Valentine's Day on April twenty seventh.

01:09:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and good for you guys, are good for you both for being in couples counseling. Right, you're taking active steps and that's beautiful. That's the greatest gift of all to a relationship. Yeah, if we.

01:09:19
Speaker 3: Could all be in couples counseling, we'd probably all be, especially in the middle of a pandemic. Of course, you're in a rough spot. A pandemic is really uh testing us, it's really pushing us to the limit. That said, what what could they do? What's a special thing that we can do for this couple that's in a rough spot.

01:09:41
Speaker 2: I was a day of love. You know, we'll just call it Love Day. And it doesn't have to be the trademark Valentine's Day. It can just be Kissing Day or Love Day or something like that. That's interesting. So it sounds like we're not talking about sex. That's not you know, it's not like that. We want to do a special Valentte and Dan dinner and a special so you know, I obviously you know, knowing who I am. I had a bunch of ideas about different sex toys, run skiing.

01:10:15
Speaker 3: Hmmm, let's see, I'm trying to think of something special. They've been through this rough period. I feel like you were going to want to reset, and I feel like, you know, it's getting a little easier to get out and go do things, you know, hotels, this sort of thing. It feels like it's beginning to be more of an option. Why not? I don't know where Meg is. Unfortunately she didn't give her location. So Meg, why not find somewhere outside of where you are a couple hours, a little B and B, an airb and B, a little motel something like this, book a night and make a little miniature vacation as a reset. It's our first trip outside of pandemic. Unless you know, unless I mean, I'm assuming that Meg is not an anti masker. She might be out there demanding that she walked through the grocery store without a mask. Let's hope not.

01:11:07
Speaker 2: This is a pro mask show.

01:11:08
Speaker 3: This, this is a very pro mask show and I are.

01:11:10
Speaker 2: Both wearing masks. That's recording in our separate apartments and homes.

01:11:17
Speaker 3: But Meggie, I think a little vacation might be in the works for you.

01:11:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not?

01:11:25
Speaker 3: We all need a little break right now.

01:11:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll just say, don't put too much pressure on the vacation. Don't feel a need to try a bunch of new things. No, you know, you want to go to a new place and you know, relax. But if you want to just go and watch movies, that's fine too. It doesn't have to be a thing where you're each stepping outside of your comfort zone to you know, say, go skydiving or something like that. Could just be a nice likes Bridger saying retreat.

01:11:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, something that requires nothing of either of you outside of just feeling nice.

01:11:59
Speaker 2: Right, And I say, I have another suggestion. Oh, let's hear it. Is it a trash can sensory deprivation tanks? There? Like Joe Rogan and his buds.

01:12:09
Speaker 3: I think, did they go to these tanks?

01:12:12
Speaker 2: I think Arogan is a big tank advocate. I think, yeah, so, you know, try stepping into a completely neutral space, the void. And maybe it's sort of in the same way that Bridgers suggested a bit of a rebirth, but maybe even more literal because you're sort of in a womb environment and and you can both come out of it have something new to discuss, shared experience. It seems like it could be fun.

01:12:43
Speaker 3: I think have you been to one of those?

01:12:45
Speaker 2: Sean never never? I bought my brother this is like a horrible and I brought my brother a brother in IOU sensory deprivation tank trip and then never freaking followed through it. But I think I got something else as a presence, so he and I will still go in a sensory deforation tank. I'm certain.

01:13:02
Speaker 3: I think I think it's worth trying. I've done it once, and wow, it's a you know, it's three hours of nothing. It's it's as close as just like blacked out memory. Like it's almost like a redacted memory in your life or something.

01:13:21
Speaker 2: Were you anxious?

01:13:22
Speaker 3: I didn't get anxious. I was worried that. You know, three hours seems like a long time. Was it three? I think it was three hours. My friend who went bailed about forty five minutes in. We had driven separate cars to thank everything. But I said, and therefore, well, also I'm the sort of person that I spend money. I'm going to get my money's worth Yeah, but I you know, you've kind of flowed in warmish saltwater in total darkness for three hours. Just it's it's worthwhile. It's kind of a an Eternal Sunshine esque experience. You go down into some weird lab and then sit there in kind of a submarine. That's a suggestion.

01:14:00
Speaker 2: I think. I think it sounds great. And hey, you know I've never been give me invite me along because bridgerd just really sold it well. So if you need, you know, a third for your sensory deprivation.

01:14:11
Speaker 3: Retreat, I mean, John will not be part of your tank. He'll just be in another.

01:14:15
Speaker 2: I want my own tank, but it doesn't have to be big, it can be small. I can go fee always.

01:14:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, John, let's answer one more question. Let's hope that it's not as time sensitive as megs. But you never know. Okay, this is hello Bridger, and I guess I'm in a bit of a conundrum. My love language is gift giving. I've been blessed with the ability to pick out just the right gifts for people that are equal parts personal, funny and useful. This person written into brag I don't understand. Let's move on and okay, and truly nothing makes me happier than giving someone I care about a gift. But here's the thing. Most of my closest crew don't love receiving gifts. They feel like it creates some weird power imbalance like that owe me something which isn't true at all. My question is how do I proceed. I want to show my love for my friends, but I don't want to make anyone feel weird and uncomfortable. Fondly Olivia in Baltimore. Okay, so you know we cut through. Olivia's just show voting about being a good gift giver. Her friends are all uncomfortable. She's been creating these power imbalances in her life. Just willy nilly. It sounds like what does she do to continue her what sounds essentially like a hobby of gift giving without making her friends uncomfortable?

01:15:36
Speaker 2: Wow? First of all, I'm just so impressed by the level of communication in this friend group. It sounds like the openness is really like impressive as far as articulating complex emotions of gifts and things. Right, So you're winning already.

01:15:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, what can she possibly do? I mean, I feel like the friends I don't feel like a living I mean, she's reaching out to a podcast, she's putting in the work here. She loves doing this for her friends, and her friends are making it a problem.

01:16:07
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I know, I almost wish I could talk to these these other folks and just say, you know, this is what your friend likes to do, and spe chill.

01:16:18
Speaker 3: You wouldn't get in the way of your friend. Like wood carving. Yeah, she loves to give a gift.

01:16:23
Speaker 2: And this one you benefit. You have a huge benefit, you know. So I guess, Okay, So what we need to piece of advice we need to give is how to raise the idea of let me give gifts. That's basically the question here, right right, maybe we proceed.

01:16:42
Speaker 3: She doesn't want anyone to feel weird and uncomfortable, is it a h I think what you do, Olivia. First thought is you're constantly going to be throwing. You need to start throwing parties constantly where there are.

01:16:57
Speaker 2: Gift banks.

01:16:59
Speaker 3: So every time my friend comes to the party, the gift bag is just there for them to have your kind of tricking them. You're you know, you're getting whatever sick pleasure you get out of giving gifts, but the friends are don't feel as targeted. Suddenly there you know these party favors, maybe they're specially tailored to each guest. And this is probably going to cost you, This is going to drive you deeply into debt. But that's my first thought. Sorry, I mean just the logistically that might ruin your life. Yeah, but you've got to you gotta get your kicks.

01:17:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can find a way for your friends who you want to give gifts to just happen upon the gifts perhaps, right, maybe you don't find out where they work, just leave them at they're the key.

01:17:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's you know, throw it through a window.

01:17:57
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the answer here is to like invoice your friends for the gifts so it's not a so they're not left owing you anything. And you just say if you're you know, I actually, you know, I think the real answer is you seem like your skill is recommending purchases. Why not just do that? Send them an email that says, this is something I really think you should purchase and and then maybe you can offer to help them do it. But you know, you get the thrill of seeing your friend have the gift that you know they will appreciate so much. But maybe again they don't feel like they owe you.

01:18:38
Speaker 3: That's really a bad idea. And maybe if you know you're worried about, you know, the financial element, there's the you know kind of suddenly they find twenty dollars on their porch, fifty dollars comes from an anonymous downer in the mail. Yes, somebody venmos them five thousand dollars and then suddenly you're it just coincides with you saying, oh, you should buy a hot.

01:19:01
Speaker 2: Tub, right my apparently my grandfather used to do this to my dad, leave a twenty dollars bill in his wallet or something, just to be sweet. So it's very sweet. You could take a lesson from Jerry Milstein, my sweet grandfather and do something like that to start throwing money around.

01:19:17
Speaker 3: I mean, I do like the idea of invoicing. Just become You've tried being kind of a you know, this rich, benefactory benefactor to your friends. Why not become a financial burden and see if they like that. Yeah, maybe maybe the other way.

01:19:30
Speaker 2: I mean again, these people do seem pretty particular and not like people that I personally have interacted with, so they could they could get a particular thrill out of being in voice for a gift. Yeah, I don't they know themselves very well.

01:19:46
Speaker 3: Tell Meg otherwise, her social group seems like a different type of crowd than I'm running with.

01:19:52
Speaker 2: And maybe talk to them and try to ascertain if they are meeting without you, because this line seems so bizarre to me. It almost feels like it was created in a group setting a brainstorm.

01:20:06
Speaker 3: You've got to get Meg to stop giving us gifts.

01:20:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just seems like there's something in this picture. And and also you seem so lovely to have this as a skill. Frankly, you deserve friends who appreciate it, right, So I don't want to say find new friends because obviously that's that's.

01:20:26
Speaker 3: Tell them to get lost.

01:20:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, but definitely get someone in your life who wants to receive gifts, maybe on top of your friend group, because it's sad to think that this amazing skill and talent, which you're not so ashamed about talking about, as we saw, it's sad to think that this talent would go unused or underappreciated.

01:20:50
Speaker 1: Right.

01:20:51
Speaker 3: We don't want to hide our light under a what is it hydro light under a bushel?

01:20:55
Speaker 2: Is that yeah, exactly, never heard it, but I believe it. I mean, think about this, if Bach had never picked up a piano, or better yet, if Box friends hated it, hated the piano, and he loved playing it for Yeah, then that would be quite sad.

01:21:12
Speaker 3: Box's friend group has a text chain going about his obnoxious piano playing.

01:21:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, WoT the piano? He tells other people to play other stuff. I don't like this. I'm weird. You know, we don't need this person. Meg.

01:21:29
Speaker 3: You're in a tight spot and I can't wish. I can't do anything but wish you luck because this could blow up in your face in so many different ways, and I feel like you are in a dangerous, dangerous position. I'm telling you move out of town. That's my final word on this.

01:21:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the gift that the gift you need is to Yeah, keep yourself safe, and you know, keep looking over your shoulder because a group of gift hating discreens could be following you wherever you go.

01:22:02
Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna We've answered two questions here. One was nearly expired, and I apologize, but there are just there are so many questions that I only have so much energy, so people can't complain. I mean, they can complain, but that's not my problem. I'm not going to deal with the complaints.

01:22:19
Speaker 2: That's not me. And by the way, yes, and this is, by the way, is the best way to get advice or any question answered is send it in and listen to a podcast for the next two to three months every episode in the off chance that your question was.

01:22:33
Speaker 3: It's easily the best way. I can't recommend it enough. Again, Uh, this is this is advice. Other people, would you know come to me as pay me thousands as a consultant. They pay John hundreds of thousands as a consultant on the gift giving. So what you're getting here is free, it's timely, and no one can complain. Yeah, enough said, Look, John, you've given me two You've made some huge assumptions about the state of my car, and it paid off.

01:23:07
Speaker 2: It pay I was worried. I was definitely worried that like again, I don't I haven't seen this thing in too many cars, but I was worried that maybe you were one of the guys. You had it and my worries were completely unfounded. And I'm so glad that you're gonna use it.

01:23:21
Speaker 3: I love it. I might, you know, I might start smoking, just you know, because now I can mask the cigarette, smile with my black eyes, my bayside breeze.

01:23:29
Speaker 2: And start chewing and shelling peanuts in your car, So you can really create a lot of small pieces of waste with many that can really.

01:23:38
Speaker 3: Shatter, and my car will be like a saloon.

01:23:43
Speaker 2: Right, It's like a five guys, but one guy's car.

01:23:48
Speaker 3: I can't wait, too. And I also can't wait to have one passenger that always just has a face of trash.

01:23:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, that is the problem if you're really popular. I specifically buy this trash bag for people I know who are popular but not too popular.

01:24:02
Speaker 3: So you think I'm deeply unpopular. I'm losing friends by the minute. No one wants to get in my car. John, This is the end of the podcast. I thank you for being here. It's just been a wonderful time and long over too. I've wanted you on this podcast for months. You refused.

01:24:23
Speaker 2: You have put a spam filter specifically for gifts related and I think I've missed a lot of important other emails about gifts.

01:24:34
Speaker 3: This is the end of the podcast. We always there's always the struggle to wrap up a podcast. And you know, I listened to a lot of podcasts and none of them do it that well. So I don't feel any shame when I suddenly am just kind of trying to let go and let the listener off, and they're trying to move on with your life, and they're they're looking at the time, their sweating, they're trying to get to a meeting, maybe they pulled up to work and they just want to hear the last few moments of it. And I'm not letting that happen. That's fine, This is the end. Listener, have a wonderful day, Bye bye, I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's engineered by our dear friend Annalise Nelson and the theme song is by miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow the show on Instagram at I said No Gifts, that's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you found me, and why not leave a review while you're there. It's really the least you could do. And if you're interested in advertising on the show, go to midroll dot com slash ads.

01:25:43
Speaker 1: He lievt did you hear Funa man? Myself perfectly clear, But you're a guess, Tom. You gotta come to me empty, And I said, no, guest, your presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So how did you dare to surbey me?