1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I heard radio podcast. Okay, 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm coming in hot to this podcast, okay, I And 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because in Eastern I have 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: you on too, because I really need like the male's 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: perspective even though you are like polar opposite from this person, 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: but I still need to have like your you know, 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: male nous in this um and I and I get that, 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: like I'm about to just sound maybe crazy to some 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: Do you have any idea where I'm going, Like no clue, 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to follow so bad. I love it, though, 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: what is it? Okay? You know, we don't really talk 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: about a lot of like pop culture stuff on this podcast, 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: like not too much. I mean we talked about you know, 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: selling sense and all those things. Blah blah blah. We 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: have some housewives on. I have to talk about the 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: apology that Tristan gave to Clarie. I'm sorry that was 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: not an apology and I'm not, like, can I just 18 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: read it really fast because I like got like actually triggered, 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: and I know it's not about me whatever, Like I 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: get that I can see where that's triggering. Yeah, So 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: I take full responsibility for my actions now that blah 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I sincerely apologized to everyone I've heard 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: or disappointed throughout this ordeal, both publicly, uh and privately. Chloe, 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: this is this is where my my my boil goes 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: because I'm like, again, I have lived through I haven't 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: not to my knowledge, he hasn't. I don't have any 27 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: little babies. So he has little babies out there. I 28 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: don't know, like there's there is always that possibility. Um, 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: but Chloe, you don't deserve this, That's right. You don't 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: deserve the heartache and humiliation I have caused you. You 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: don't deserve the way that I've treated you over the years. 32 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: My actions certainly have not lined up with the way 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: I view you. I have the This is the part 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: that literally boils my skin ready for it. I have 35 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: the utmost respect and love for you. Mm hmm. Clearly 36 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: not were This is another thing that this is the 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: next line is so gaslighting to me, and I don't 38 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: know if it's just me regardless of what you may 39 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: think mm hmm. Again, I am so incredibly sorry. I 40 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: was like, no, that's not an apology, and this is 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: what my issue is. And maybe I'm maybe I'm close 42 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: to this because I feel like I haven't gotten the 43 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: apology that I feel like I deserved from my last situation. 44 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: But like, first of all, don't say in there I 45 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: have the utmost respect for you, regardless of what you 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: may think. Well, of course he doesn't ever what you don't. 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: You don't cheat on someone over and over and over 48 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: and over again and say that I respect you like 49 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: you have an issue. You should have said I have 50 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: been I have been so disrespectful and I haven't respected you. 51 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: That's owning something. That's apologizing, that's saying. And you can say, fine, yes, okay, 52 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: you love her. You You can say I love you, 53 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: but I don't know how to love because that's not loving. 54 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: So if someone says I have respect for you, I 55 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: respect you both, sorry, I'm getting heated because this is 56 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: like same like the ship with Mike. But like, how 57 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: can men like that that say that say they have 58 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: respect for you and then go regardless what you may think, 59 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: Because then then that makes us feel crazy. That goes 60 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: to us to going, oh, well, maybe they do respect 61 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: us because they're saying like the amount of times that 62 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: he would say regardless of what you think, Like I 63 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: won't do it again. And I love you and I 64 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 1: respect you, and that's not respect and it's not regardless 65 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: of what you may think, Like, that's so gas lighting. 66 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: Am I alone in this? No? No, no, you're not 67 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: not at all. It's a lot, it's a lot. This 68 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: is something dudes do, though, which is terribly upsetting because 69 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: I think when when when guys do something terrible, they 70 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: go into like this dumb panic mode part of their brain. Like, 71 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: these are things I can say that I know they're 72 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: not true, but there's things I can say because they 73 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: make me appear to be something that I am not, 74 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: and then it can get me past this till and 75 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: then I can I can just move on with my life. 76 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: And uh it's always like uh you know, um, I 77 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: I can change. You know, this isn't who I really am. 78 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, regardless of what you think, I have the 79 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: almost love and respect for you know, regardless of what 80 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: you think, I'm not going to do it again, and 81 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: regardless of what you think. I'm healthy now, regardless of 82 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: what you think, and you know what that does. It's 83 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: just gas lighting and making this woman feel crazy. And 84 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: that's why we take back cheaters every single time. But 85 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: Is that a man thing or is that just like 86 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: an unhealthy a addict behavior. I mean, but both our 87 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: genders are prone to between this, but it's it's heavy 88 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: handed on the man. In my personal opinion, I think 89 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: men do that a lot more than than women do. 90 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: I will say when I like messed up, I never 91 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: said like, well and again I'm not in my last marriage, 92 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: but like and when I was like dating relationships, I'd 93 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: be like, I would never say regardless of what you 94 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: may think, because that's just like I don't have to 95 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: say that. I'd just be like, I'm not going to 96 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: do that or I'm not gonna this is what I did. 97 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's like a regardless you may think it's 98 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: so narcissistically gas lighting, that was just throwing something in 99 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: there to make them. Yeah, I don't know. I respect 100 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: you regardless of what don't like. Literally, this is what 101 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: you should have said, Chloe, I messed up. I did 102 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: not respect you. You know, I mess up over and 103 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: over again. I didn't respect you. I have even I 104 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: wanted I love like I tried to love you, but 105 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how to love because I don't know 106 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: respect for myself. You know, I don't respect for so 107 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: don't say you respect someone and then do that well, 108 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: And I just think that they probably don't have the 109 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: ability to be that vulnerable and to do that. No, 110 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: they don't have empathy. That's the issue. That's the piece 111 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: that there's actually my ex never got. That's a piece 112 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: that I don't think Tristan get. Then why girls they 113 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: don't feel truly bad. They don't take full ownership. And 114 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: that's my issue with those kind of apologies. And they 115 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: can make up in their head why they did something. 116 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: They can literally make up a reason. Well, I did 117 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: too hard. I was dating Chloe or you know, we 118 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: wrote a book and it was like so much pressure. 119 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: I don't care that you haven't you made choices? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 120 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: I was heated when I read Surprise Now Yeah, because 121 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: when I saw it, I was like Jan was going 122 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: to have a thought about for sure. It's just I 123 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: just don't understand how someone can say I respect you 124 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: and then still like regardless of like, I just can't 125 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: well and then she deserves a reapology, don't Yeah, like 126 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: why didn't you clear that with someone? You know what 127 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: I mean? Did some woman tell him? Yeah? That's not 128 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: like actually because he might here's here's the thing, and 129 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: this is Devil's advocate. He might be like, okay, and 130 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: this is the same thing with Mike or any X 131 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: or whatever uh they might That is how that's that 132 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: that they think they're respecting like to their best ability 133 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: of what respecting is. But that is not true respect 134 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: at all. So I don't know. I just in like 135 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: any woman out there, don't first of all, don't listen 136 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: to regardless of what you think, because regardless of what 137 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: you think they're doing it, they're still doing it. They're 138 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: gonna do it regardless of what you think. I personally 139 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: think that's like the I mean the amount of times 140 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: that I heard that in my last relationship, Like it's 141 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: like you're trying to convince the other person. I don't 142 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: even I don't even understand why. I'm never going to 143 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: do it again, regardless what you think. I'm never I'm 144 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: a changed person, regardless of what you think. I don't 145 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: lie anymore, regardless of what you think. I'm sober, regardless 146 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: of what you think. Because you're telling the other person 147 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: that that their thoughts don't matter, and and that in 148 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: itself means you don't respect them. You know, like, oh, 149 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: what you're thinking isn't the truth, And that's not that's 150 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: it's not important to me the person that is like 151 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: on my hands and knees telling you how much I 152 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: love you. Also, your thoughts don't matter because they're wrong. 153 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, and I remember taking that one piece too 154 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: to therapy, like how can you say you respect someone 155 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: and do be? Yeah? How I don't say And that's 156 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: what got me the most. More regardless we're saying I 157 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: respect you, I'm like, no, no, no, you don't get 158 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: to say that. You do not get to say I 159 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: respect you, because out of all the things you might, 160 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: you might actually love that person might actually whatever you 161 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: do not respect to them, or you wouldn't do it. 162 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: I don't think all yeah exactly, like don't say you 163 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: respect me? Like I have disrespected you and I'm so 164 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: sorry for this. I would have I would have accepted that, 165 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: as Chloe. I would have accepted that if Mike said 166 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: that to me, you know, I have disrespected you? Not 167 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: well I did these things because but then would you 168 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: just go back to him because he said the right thing? 169 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: I mean, they're always going to say the right thing. 170 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: That's the that's the problem. But then that's you have 171 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: to look at the pattern. It's like if I were 172 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: to look back at all the things that like Tristan, 173 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: like Mike person said, they're gonna if they do it again, 174 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: it's a pattern. Yeah, I hope she doesn't. Oh, I pray, 175 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: And I was like rooting for them, like to make 176 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: it work because I'm always the person like even to 177 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: this day, everyone's like, do you believe in the good fight? 178 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: Do you believe? I one percent believe that people can 179 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: change and that you can grow. But I mean even 180 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: like you know Lisa Um you know turkish i was 181 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: pronounced her last name butcher. But I love her and 182 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: she's like, you know, people if the patterns they continue, 183 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: and it's like at some point you just have to 184 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: realize it as a pattern and not it's not changing. 185 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: So but I do believe in if someone makes a mistake, 186 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: they ability to change and to not cheat again. I 187 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: do believe that, But I also think there's if there's 188 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: a pattern and it's not changing, like don't stay in 189 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: it because you're gonna be you know you just yeah, 190 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, Catherine, if I would have stayed in 191 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: my marriage, it would have happened again, and and how 192 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: who knows when I would have left, would start over 193 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: at fifty sixty. Yeah, yeah, but anyways, I'm sorry. I 194 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: just had to get on my little soapbox because it 195 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: really triggered me the other day when I read it, 196 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: and I can only imagine how freaking Chloe felt. And 197 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: I just like, I don't know, we don't know the 198 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: ins and outs. But regardless of who they are, what 199 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: they are, how they are, that is not an apology, 200 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: and someone who's been in the same shoes deserves a 201 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: better apology. Don't do don't do it to the people, 202 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: do it to her. Yeah, that's the other thing. Anyone 203 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: listening with apology, Come on, I can't with that. Just yeah, 204 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: and anyone else listening, don't say hardless what you think. Yeah, 205 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: just do it. Yeah, just do it. Show people the action. 206 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: Actually yeah, it really is. Yeah, it's all complicating. Yeah, 207 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: actually easiest thing just yeah, just like own what you 208 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: did and uh and talking about how you're going to 209 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: move on. Yeah. I mean, Catherine, you've got some stuff 210 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: you want to talk about too, but we have um 211 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: so can we say that to the end of the show. 212 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: I know you and the wind down. Listeners have some 213 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: burning questions burning um, but we have got Have you 214 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: ever watched catfish? Yes? A few times. Have you ever 215 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: been catfished? Now you haven't, have you? Well they define catfished. 216 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: Well that's what I kind of want to know. I 217 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: want to ask. Okay, I really kind of need the 218 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: definition of catfished. All right, Well, we have a host 219 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: of catfish on the show, Niv Shulman, so I'm excited 220 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: to get him on. Let's take a break and then 221 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: we will talk all about catfish. What's up? Nive? Hey you, 222 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: how are you? I'm really glad you didn't. You probably 223 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: heard that. I'm really glad you didn't. Catfish mean today 224 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: many times to get that one. Oh my mom just 225 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: coming out and saying they're coming. I am a black 226 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: belt in bad jokes. The more than okay good um okay. 227 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: I as a former Dancing with the Stars alumni as well, 228 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: I was really rooting for you on that show. You 229 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: were so fairly good, not hard enough. Maybe you had, 230 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: you know, got a few more people to vote. I know, 231 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I could I would have had it. But 232 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: do you have fun? Those that experience is the only 233 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: thing that's ever happened. That really made me regret my 234 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: life choices. I should have just been a professional dance 235 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: I should have just pursued dance and been a dancer. 236 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: But alas, I'm happy with what I'm where I'm at, 237 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: So it's fine. No, you were even you were really 238 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: good and you were fun to follow along. So that 239 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: was if anyone wants to go watch your experience semi finals. 240 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: But you know, I had a few breakdowns along the 241 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: way because it's like, you know, I'm not a dancer. 242 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: It was it was in the bottom or yeah, me 243 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: and Gleb we're in the bottom like all the time, glove. 244 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: At the time, I was I was separated. Interesting question, Yeah, yeah, 245 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: I was separated. Um, but yeah, no, it was to 246 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: talk about that another time. But it was it was 247 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: a fun it was it was. It was. It was 248 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: crazy because I feel like it's just mentally just messes 249 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: you up, you know, because you're like you're you and 250 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: you are successful and then you go on a show 251 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: and you're like, I suck and it makes you feel 252 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: like you're just I don't know. For me, it was 253 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: a it was a kind of it was fun. I 254 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: would actually love to go back and then have more 255 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: fun with it, yeah, and not be like miserable with 256 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: my marriage. How your oh I got divorced. Yeah, so 257 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: speaking of catfish, um oh man, we can laugh about 258 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: it now, I know, but I will tell you like 259 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: it's been you know now in like the dating world 260 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: and like the terrified of being like catfished, right because 261 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: like a lot of times you meet people online or 262 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, dating apps, or remember one time and when gosh, 263 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: before I met my ex husband, I went on a 264 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: I think it was I don't even know. I think 265 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: it was okay Cupid, and I met with this guy, 266 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: but he was like not what he had the height 267 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: he was at like he said he was like six 268 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: foot and I show up and he's like five foot. 269 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, is that catfished or no? Yeah, well actually 270 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: that's funny. I just I was just talking to someone 271 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: I can't remember the who, but who is in a 272 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: relationship now with a girl. But when they when when 273 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: they met, he was shocked because you know, the pictures 274 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: that she had posted we're either from a long enough 275 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: ago and or had been edited and altered to make her, 276 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, look a lot thinner than she is. And 277 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: if she had posted photos of herself the way she 278 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: really looked, they probably would not have gone out with them, 279 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: but they did and they amazingly it didn't matter and 280 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: they actually ended up in a relationship. But yeah, it's happening. 281 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: A lot of the people are obviously doing whatever they 282 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: can to make themselves as as appealing as possible. And 283 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: I think the word is is technically kitten fishing. Um 284 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: where you're you, but you're sort of bending and blurring 285 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: the lines women want to be. Yeah, like there's that 286 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: there's a little younger or yeah, I mean there's that 287 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: face app I mean there's there's one even filter on 288 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: Instagram that I tried using one time because I was like, oh, 289 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: my friend Caitlin looks so pretty, and I tried it 290 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I look nothing 291 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: like myself. So I was like, no, Caitlyn Crosby, because 292 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: we don't, you know, we can't talk. We know, we 293 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: don't talk about Caitlin Bristow. We're good, I know, I 294 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: know I really like her. Anyway, cat fishing for sure, 295 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: still still happening more and more. Um Yeah, but like, 296 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: I mean, your show has been on for ten years, 297 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: so obviously it's still happening. We're going to have our 298 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: tend anniversary soon. We're about to Yeah, we're about to 299 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: actually have our tenure anniversary. And I'm actually at the 300 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: Catfish office in l A right now about to go 301 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: film another episode. I mean, we're just they just keep 302 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: coming in, the emails, the applications, there's no doesn't seem 303 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: to be any end. So it used to be you've 304 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: got catfished, like how did you get catfish? Ten years ago? 305 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: And there wasn't really the dating app were there's dating 306 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: apps ten years ago? There was just like that was 307 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: sort of early on, but not really no. I mean 308 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: I think it it tended to be primarily just sort 309 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: of through social media. Um, that was sort of where 310 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: the show started, which was, you know, I'm on Facebook, 311 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: I got this friend request this guy or girl seems 312 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: really sweet and cute, but they live far away, and 313 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: now we're talking and you know, or we met on 314 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: an a l chat room or on my Space, you 315 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: know like chat right. Yeah, um, I we even did 316 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: an episode once where people met on like a chat line. 317 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that. You know, you 318 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: call in a phone number and you listen to people's 319 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: recordings where they're like, hey, I'm Jeff and I'm twenty five, 320 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: and then you're like, yeah, that sounds good. Then it 321 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: connects you with them. But I never used one, but 322 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: it's a thing, um anyway. So so there've been you know, 323 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: different forms over the years, obviously before the Internet, but 324 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: we're getting catfish, you know, through like letters, right, people 325 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: had pen pals, and it's throughout the ages. There have 326 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: been different ways. Um, but yeah, I mean now it's 327 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: just so easy. What's been like the saddest thing for 328 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: you over the years, Like, was there a story that 329 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: you actually felt like really bad for someone? But yeah, 330 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: for sure there have been. Um it's hard to separate 331 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: them in my brain when I kind of just try 332 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: to like go through the catalog of because I think 333 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: we've done almost two hundred episodes now and and sort 334 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: of pick pick one out. I mean, there have definitely 335 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: been people who I think we're more devastated or heartbroken 336 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: than others, um at sort of discovering the truth of 337 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: this relationship, whether it was because it was a longer 338 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: relationship or just because they had really thought this person 339 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: cared about them. Oh you know what it was there 340 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: was one that just came to mind. That was this girl, 341 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: um and I can't remember the names, but she was 342 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: she was a young black girl, and we took her 343 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: to meet this other black girl. It was the first 344 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: time she'd ever like dabbled in a same sex relationship, 345 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: which was a big deal for her, and she was 346 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: really nervous about it. Um And I don't know if 347 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: she had come out fully to her sort of family 348 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: and friends. Um. And we took her to meet this 349 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: girl in San Francisco, and it turned out the girl 350 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: wasn't lying about who she was. She she was just 351 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: scamming her. She was just like using her for money. Mum. 352 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: And obviously the other girl was just so devastated. She 353 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: felt like she finally put herself out there and and 354 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: met a woman and had felt something, and it turned 355 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: out it was just kind of all fraud. It's a bumber, 356 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: especially like when you're trying to like something that's you know, new, 357 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: and what's tips tips not to get catfished? Um, it's 358 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: getting getting cat fished, you know, just like you know 359 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: nowadays right with like COVID Right, I'm not I don't 360 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: want to try to say that they're similar, but like 361 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: you can take precautions, right, you can wear a mask, 362 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: and you can social distance, you can do all these 363 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: things that were all that are all like good and 364 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: good precautions to take. But you're there's always gonna be 365 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: a vulnerable spot, right, There's always gonna be some way 366 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: in that you can't predict or that you're not looking 367 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: out for or you let your guard down for a second. 368 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: Um And and I think it's the same with like love, right, 369 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: I mean, no matter how closed up someone as or 370 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: how many times they've been burned, or if they have 371 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: trust issues, like if the right person with the right 372 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: message at the right time catches you kind of off guard. 373 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: I think people are so desperate for affection and attention 374 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: that there quick to forget that Oh my god, wait 375 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: a second, this person. I don't know this person. We 376 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: don't have neutual friends. You know, their their profile is weird, 377 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: but like, but god, they're so sweet and oh they 378 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: make me feel so good, so like, let me just 379 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: talk to them. And then before you know it, that 380 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: sort of turns into a flirt flirting and then uh, 381 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, a daily the conversation and feelings like it's hard, 382 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: it's hard and so the trick, I guess is if 383 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: you can give yourself like a very strict rule that 384 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: if you're talking to someone that you don't know in person, 385 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: they have to video chat with you. Um, you know, 386 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: they have to have a certain sort of level of 387 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: presence online, whether it's photos with friends and tagged accounts 388 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: and like people that you interact like. I'd always think 389 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: it's weird when I talked to people on the show 390 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you've been talking to them for a 391 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: few years, like, who are their friends or or are 392 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: you friends with any of their friends? On Instagram? Who 393 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: do you fall? Like? Surely people post pictures of their 394 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: life and there like if they don't have anybody else 395 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: in their life that's visible that you can sort of 396 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: contact or connect with or follow, like, that's weird. So 397 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, there's lots of ways to sort of 398 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: look out for it. But again, it's amazing what the 399 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: sort of brain and heart are able to do to 400 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: convince people when they're something that they want, you know, 401 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: especially if you're wanting that companionship. But to sort of 402 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: tie it in to what you said before, what the 403 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: story I've said before about the girls who kind of 404 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: got scammed. Um. Similarly on like in ways to not 405 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: get catfished, you should also like there's a lot of 406 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: romance scams are happening right now. Like I think people 407 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: forget that just because you're on a dating app means that, 408 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: like someone can't be on there just looking to scam you, 409 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: whether they're lying like not, not to cattish you for love, 410 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: like just to scam you. Um, which is which is which? 411 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: Sort of partly why I did this this whole thing 412 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: with Zel because use Dell. No what is that? Really? 413 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: Don't know what Zell is? No, you do? What is it? 414 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: Heard of it? So I've never heard of it? Oh wow, Okay, 415 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: so I'm looking. Yeah, it's it's a like peer to 416 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: peer payment platform. Um, it's similar. Um the differences at 417 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: Zell is like built into your banking app. Right, so 418 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: if you have is a fast, safe and easy way 419 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: to send and receive money with friends failing others you trust, 420 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: right exactly. And what's cool about Zel is that it's 421 00:23:54,760 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: it's way more like sort of verified um. And they're 422 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: making a big effort and I'm thrilled to be a 423 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: part of it to like help people avoid sending money 424 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: to the wrong people and getting scammed. Um. And so 425 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm realizing more and more that, like, especially with the pandemic, 426 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people are out of work and they're 427 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: turning to sort of online scam activities to support themselves. 428 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: We even did an episode where the person was like, yeah, 429 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm just since the pandemic, I lost my job and 430 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: now I just go online and the catfish guys and 431 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: they send me money. Um, oh my god. Anyway, yeah, 432 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: so you gotta you gotta be really carefully, gotta you 433 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: gotta be smart with your heart and your cash. Yeah, 434 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't give cash. No. And it's so 435 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: crazy too because I'll get people being like, oh, you know, 436 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: we've been talking for you know, months, and I'm like, 437 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: that is not my account, like you know, it's like 438 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: and then it's like, are you at this person says 439 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: you're asking for money, and I'm like, anybody with the 440 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: blue check mark is not going to ask for money, 441 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: Like you're just not, like right, I'd hope not Jesus. 442 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. It's just it's just 443 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: it's great, Like it's just like, yeah, I love it. 444 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: Do the And I always say like within the first week. 445 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm face timing with you. I don't care, like, 446 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: because you never know, even if you do have a 447 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: blue checkmark, you could be scammed. Someone could be like, 448 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: um easily, you know, um, maybe their got hacked. I'm like, 449 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: why why is a rod wanted to DM me? I'm kidding, 450 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: but like, you know, so we also we did an 451 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: episode with a guy who was verified and he had 452 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: like he had his nephew kind of running his like 453 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: social media, so he like his nephew was using his 454 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: d MS to like talk to girls, and they thought 455 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: it was you know, like to get to get like 456 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: sexy pictures, you know, like you know, we're just happen. 457 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: It's great. How long have you married for? I will 458 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: have been married we got married and seventeen. I'm glad 459 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: I asked you, so it will be I guess it 460 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: will be five years in June. What's been what's been 461 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: the hardest part of marriage? Doing your wedding day has 462 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: been the hardest part? Um the hardest part about being married? 463 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: Mhm you well, yeah, I mean I think that's in 464 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: a good way though, because like you know, it hasn't 465 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: been that hard. That's good, you know. I mean I 466 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: think the hard right now that the occupied the space 467 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: that gets occupied for me about that's like difficult. It's 468 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: just dark kids, right like pick three having three kids. 469 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: It's just that's hard. Um, it's great, but it's also Hardum, 470 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: So I think right now then the answer would probably 471 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: be like finding time for us, you know, like being 472 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: able to like just to be in love. That's hard. 473 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: But when you're married, like it can get hard to 474 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: be to like just remember to be in love. Um. Yeah, okay, 475 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: So in the next few weeks, surprise your wife with 476 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: a date. Yeah. No, I'm I'm actively always looking for 477 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: ways to do stuff. Um, I even you know, like 478 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: it's embarrassing, but um, you know I get like ads 479 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: on TikTok for like cute like romantic gifts a lot 480 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: just great, you know, like like you know, oh my god, 481 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: if my boyfriend got me this, it would be so sweet. Um. 482 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: And so I even got her. And this is actually 483 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: funny because I kind of sometimes confuse our wedding anniversary 484 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: is it the June twenty So I actually got a 485 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: key chain, like a really cute heart shaped key chaining 486 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: with like the month of I guess it doesn't let me, 487 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: let me, let me google when you got married. And 488 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: but it's got like a circle around the day we 489 00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: got married. Get married, so that you got married July. 490 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: That's seventy right, I gotta write on the key chain. 491 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: Please tell me you did, because I would be hilarious. Well, 492 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: I love it. You know what, I think a combination 493 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: of age and now three kids, Like I'm thirty seven. Okay, 494 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm thirty eight. You can't talk about age because that's 495 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: not fair. Now you make me feel really old. Well no, 496 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: I just mean like you start to things. You know, 497 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: I have a lot of dates to keep in my head. Now, 498 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: I got to remember all the kid's birthdays. I gotta remember. Yeah, um, 499 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: well yeah, it's just a lot so security stuff, Like 500 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things, a lot of numbers up. Yeah. Well, 501 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: you know what, as long as you're happy, it's all 502 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: that matters. And it sounds like you are. And keep 503 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: watching a Catfish on MTV. I'm excited that it's been 504 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: on for so long. Wednesday's eight o'clock, Wednesday's eight talk 505 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: and um, maybe I'll see you on like the All 506 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: Stars Dancing with the Stars, you know, like I thought 507 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: maybe it was gonna happen this year because it was 508 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: like thirtieth anniversary season. But alas here, here, we are here, 509 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: where we are still sitting here, not dancing waiting. All Right, 510 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: you're the best. Don't get catfish out there, and um yeah, 511 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: stop the scammers because that's not cool. You're the best. 512 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: See you Okay. Bye. Oh he's so funny. I love him, 513 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: Thank you bye. He legitimately did not know if it 514 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: was Junior July. He had not a clue. Glad we 515 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: can google it though. So sweet. Um, that was really funny. Um, okay, 516 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: let's take a break and then Catherine, we'll be back 517 00:29:52,680 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: with some questions. Alright, cat, what's up? Well? First thing, 518 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: I forgot to ask you last week? Oh did you 519 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: cry on New Year's I didn't. I didn't you ear. 520 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: I was just curious. I was gonna ask you. I 521 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: was gonna wait. No, I made my little goal list 522 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: and I it's like I did personal work and relationship 523 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: like you know, friends, whatever what I want for the 524 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: hearts this year? Um, And it was great. And then 525 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: I played ping pong, had some friends over and it 526 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: was it was really really great and I was like 527 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: so happy. I didn't cry. Good. I'm so glad. Yeah, 528 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: it was. It was great. I mean, how many years 529 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: has it been? Years? Years? Years? Hey, there's in your year. 530 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm like, oh yeah, I actually re listened 531 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: to that episode with um Suarie because it was that 532 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: meditation stuff was good and then just kind of her 533 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: voice is very calming to beause. I loved her. I 534 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: know's so cute. Um. But yeah, no, that was that 535 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: was That was a good way to go into the year. 536 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: But I did have was it the next day? Oh no, no, no, no, 537 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: there wasn't a but but I had like I had 538 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: a freak out because I'm like and I kind of 539 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: posted it. I didn't kind of post I posted it 540 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: on Instagram. It's it's kind of like the unknown year. 541 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: So that kind of freaked me out a little bit 542 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: because I was like, because you know, even though last 543 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: year everything happened whatever, but at least I went into 544 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: the year like as a family and married and like, 545 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: I have no clue what's going to happen this year. 546 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: I have no clue. But it's like kind of great 547 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: and oh in Annie downs um she she because I 548 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: DMed her. I was like, I love you, thanks for 549 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: that talking church. She loved to come on the podcast, 550 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: So we're going to get her on. Yeah, yeah, to 551 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: kind of talk about the Unknown near and all about it. 552 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: But it was just like that. It caused me a 553 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: teeny bit of anxiety. But also I'm kind of like 554 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: looking at it in a way to be like, Okay, 555 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: let's it's exciting. Let's make exciting things happen, and the 556 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: unknown near Steve the Unknown near? Yes, go for it. 557 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: How are how how are how are things? How's your 558 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: love life? Oh? Wow? Okay, Mark, Mark's done here. I 559 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: thought I would just you know, I'm just gonna go 560 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: for it. Didn't even ask me if I could. No, 561 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: you did not. Uh did you see my TikTok asking? 562 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: I feel like if we're posting, I could ask. It 563 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: was cute. It was cute. I'm too old to be 564 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: doing TikTok, but it was fun and I laughed a 565 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: lot and I had a good time. That's all that matters. Yeah, 566 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: there are quite a few questions about the TikTok or no, 567 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: I um, he got it really cost I went to 568 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: so I said, you know, I'm instagramming, I mean instagramming, 569 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm podcasting today. If you guys have any questions. See, 570 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm just asking what the people want to know. And 571 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: the questions were all all that, Yes, new Man, happy 572 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: for you did? Who's the boys her boyfriend? Who's the 573 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: guys in your stories? Hope he's your guy and makes 574 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: you happy? Who's the guy you're hanging with? How did 575 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: you know? They're like? Literally every single one? Who are 576 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: you climbing on? You do look really happy in all 577 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: of them. I appreciate it, all right. I guess that's 578 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: all I'm kidding. Driving people scared? Okay, that's fat. This 579 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: is a scary thing. Dating is scary. Yeah, it's very scary. 580 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: It's a scary world out there. Yeah you know, I know, right, 581 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: and you know it's just it's a's It's just it's 582 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: scary and I'm scared. I'll say that. Taking it a 583 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: day at a time, day at a time, good, Yeah, 584 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: all right, and I'll let you off. I do have 585 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: another question, another one I forgot to ask you. Okay, 586 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: what is the update on your friend? And invited Mike 587 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: to the party. Well, she heard the episode, great unfollowed 588 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: me on Instagram, um, and then posted stuff about like 589 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: real friends, Uh, put truth to you, um, you know, 590 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: speak the truth to you and fake friends just don't 591 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 1: call you out. And I think that was directed towards me, 592 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: But either way, I'm I kind of sat back with it, 593 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: and again I'm like, Okay, my real friends would never 594 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: have done that. Um, And so I think, I, um, yeah, 595 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of what it is. And you know, 596 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: thinking kind of like what Amy said to your therapist 597 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: where she was like, focus on the friendships that really 598 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: matter to you, and that one I just having a 599 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: really hard time with. And I just have no need 600 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: to have that kind of friendship where someone can say 601 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: the negative things about someone support me. It feels very 602 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: like fake supportive and then not say anything to me 603 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 1: because they were hurt and do something that's a little 604 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: like what was the word use, opportunistic or me? Yeah, 605 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: oh yeah, it felt very um oh I forgot the 606 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: word I used now, but yeah, I mean it was like, 607 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: that's just a friend would never do that. No. Well, 608 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: and you know, we talk a lot in therapy about 609 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: loyalty and loyal friends and even if there was an issue, 610 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: she should have come to you, not just invited him 611 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: and not told you. Yeah, that's not being a loyal 612 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: friend and again like that's fine, Like I have no problem. Again, 613 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll be at the same things with but 614 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: I mean that would have been our only friends that 615 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: we would have maybe done something. But I had again 616 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: had no idea since they had said such negative things 617 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: and hadn't spoken to him, So it just felt like, well, 618 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 1: you hurt me, so I invited him, Like what a 619 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: vindictive Yeah, So that's UM, And I just I don't 620 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: want to go into the year. I kind of send 621 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: my piece, UM, and I want to go into the 622 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: new year with focusing on the friendships that are really 623 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: important to me and cater to those and be a 624 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: good friend to those people, and continue to be a 625 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: good friend to those people. And I don't know what 626 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: about you and your friend. UM, I haven't heard back 627 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: from her, So what are you gonna do? I don't know. 628 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm still struggling with that one. UM. Loyalty is a 629 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: big one for me. I'm just we're talking about that 630 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: a lot in therapy, and we talked more about it 631 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: today your therapy today more lord, UM. But yes, to 632 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: answer that, loyalty is just a very big one to me. 633 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: I think going back to family, I didn't feel like 634 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: my family was loyal and yeah, when when did that 635 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: come up today? No? But I mean like when did 636 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: you realize that literally literally breakthrough a little bit. Yeah, well, 637 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: we've been talking about loyalty with friends, but then it 638 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: just kind of hit me today that I didn't feel 639 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: like people in my life growing up are loyal like 640 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: my mom when I mean for a lot of Yeah, 641 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: So in like, what ways did you not feel like 642 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: loyal from your mom? Well, I didn't feel like she 643 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: had my back. I didn't feel like I could trust her. Um, 644 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, I don't believe the things that come out 645 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: of her mouth still to this day. You know, we 646 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 1: have a fine relationship now, but there's no there's really 647 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: no trust there. And so when it comes out in 648 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: other people, when it comes out with friends, you know, 649 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: yeah it is And and there's a part of me 650 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: that just wants to email her back and go, Okay, 651 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: forget about it, forget I said anything, It's fine, don't 652 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: worry about it. I'm sorry, And that's always my like 653 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: go to and I still every day sometimes you're you know, 654 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: every whatever, I'm like, maybe I should just do that 655 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: to make everything okay. But I don't want to do 656 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: that this time, you know, I really don't. I just 657 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: want so I don't know. I don't know where that 658 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: will end up. But I never heard back from her 659 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: when we addressed it. So I did the first time, 660 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: but not the second time. So I don't know. If 661 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: it fizzles, it fizzles. You know, it's really interesting that 662 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: you say that piece because a part of me, I 663 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: was even a couple of days ago with the situation 664 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: with that friend of texting and being like, hey, I'm sorry, 665 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: let's sit down and talk, just because I don't want 666 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: And it's not that I don't want negative energy, but 667 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: I just I want her to like me and not 668 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: think that negative energy, yeah, or bad energy about me, 669 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: even though I know that, like I can sit and go. 670 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: I would love to hear how I heard her, even 671 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: it doesn't but yeah, I don't know's yeah, I mean, 672 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: we have mutual friends, and I constantly I'm like, I 673 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: hate that, Like, you know, our mutual friends may think 674 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 1: badly of me. But I'm like, you know what, I can't. 675 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: I can't at that. You know, there's always two sides 676 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: to every story. I understand that, um, but you know 677 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: it's tough, and I know that I'm gonna lose probably 678 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: some friendships over it. But you know, at the same time, 679 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: I'm not Catherine is not just going to go in 680 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: and say, Okay, I'm sorry, pretend to pretend like I 681 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 1: never said anything, and just sweep it under the rug. 682 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. So if she wants 683 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: to come to me and say, hey, let's let's really 684 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: talk about this and let me apologize for what I did, 685 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: but here's why I did and here's what you did 686 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: or whatever, I'm fine with that same um. But you know, 687 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: we don't need to go in and just clear the energy. 688 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: To clear the energy, and in my opinion, I mean, 689 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: I think that we can be respectful and we can 690 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: be kind and we can be nice, but that does 691 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: mean we have to cave either. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, 692 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: I like that a lot. Anyway, good is looking good, 693 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: looking great, looking good. We're falling on our butts from 694 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: TikTok's we're learning and therapy ever get it? Like good 695 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: the did you see it? I didn't see the good one? Yeah, 696 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: I didn't post the good ones on Instagram. And then 697 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: we did another one too, and then we might try 698 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: the koala. I saw you post that. I don't know 699 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: what it is. I'm not like a koala. Someone damned 700 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: me and was like, you should try the koala. I 701 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: don't want to watch, so I gotta ask him if, if, 702 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: if we can try that one. But I have a 703 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: feeling I would fall flat on my face. But having 704 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 1: said that, you're the girl that can't do handstand against 705 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: the Nope, I can't do it. Yeah, okay um, we'll 706 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: be back next week. See them, see