WEBVTT - Musicians Mash Up: Jake Paul, Gabbie Hanna, and Macy Kate 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.680 Welcome to Behind the Influence, a production of I Heart 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:21.520 Radio and t DC Media. Hey what the fuck did 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:25.960 I just say that? Oh my god? I feel stupid. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:40.280 Am Mostly I think I made to stop drinking. I 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.000 got people blaming me for ship they did to me, 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.840 lots of people shaming me for ship they didn't see. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.400 So want the thing and pull the drink and throw 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:54.960 them off. Your chick, you'll get your season. I've been sinking, 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.280 coping at my heart broken. I don't know why. I've 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.360 been thinking, get hoping. Can we leave it open? I 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:08.600 just need time, I just need time. But why even try, 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.480 I'm saying. I think with entertainers, though, it's interesting because 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.040 a lot of entertainers I talked to are actually introverts, 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.560 and I think that you are actually like you are 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.200 this ball of energy. Yeah, you know, I don't think 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.680 it's a show, right, No, for sure. I've always been 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.280 the class clown, like I was always getting in trouble 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.720 with my teachers, always drawing attention to myself, and I've 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.120 always just been that person. To me, it's like fun 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.319 and I like to create that energy because I think 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.600 life's fucking boring. I think life's so boring. Like if 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.360 you think about it, like the only thing that matters 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.480 is a conversation and human interaction when you boil it 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.559 down at the end of the day, and like how 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.000 other people make you feel. And to me, it's like 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:50.800 I was like sitting in class, or I would be 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.440 like sitting in like an assembly or at football practice, 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.640 and everyone's just going through the motions of life, just 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.560 like we're here, We're sitting here, this is what we 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.680 have to do. And I was or is the person like, no, 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.600 let's make this fun. Let's make jokes, let's talk about ship, 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.320 let's like prank people, let's spice this up a little bit. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.839 You have six point five a million subscribers if not more, 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.120 on YouTube, and then you have almost four million followers. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.399 I did have four million at one point, and then 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.280 Instagram did their sweep and then I was a meme 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.680 and then I lost the bunch, and then we're basically 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:27.080 bribing Brian here to play Macy's single that she just 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.840 played for me, cry for Help. It is so good. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.120 Such a departure, not in it. I'm not saying that 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.280 other stuff wasn't good, but such a departure from your 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.800 other music. Yeah, it's so different, and like I want 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.320 people to recognize that I think too. I mean, opening line, 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.680 it's different than anything I've ever heard. And if you 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.160 don't know what I'm talking about, go check out it's right, 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.239 it's it's already been released. Go check out the song. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.520 You will not regret it, you guys. It's Yeah, it's 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.840 definitely a shocker. It's a shocking opening line. I mean, 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.480 like I thought of it as like I would want 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.000 to listen to the rest of the song. You move 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.480 out to l A, everybody's eyes are on you, but 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.040 then sometimes you're getting in trouble, right, But it's because 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.880 you're creating your own I guess, non boring life, right, Yeah, exactly. 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.680 It's kind of like just doing what you want because 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.480 you don't care what other people think. And yeah, like 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.760 I've kind of always been like the problem child. Why 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:24.000 do you think I think for that reason, Like because 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.560 I literally get bored, Like we were in the we 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.160 we were I just an interview and like we're in 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.560 the green room and we're just in this room. There's 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.480 like a TV. I was like started to like I'm 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.640 just like yo, like what's going on here? Like like 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.320 we need to do something like I get bored super easily. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.520 I think that's where it stems from. And I have 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.760 a lot of energy and a d h D like 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:46.480 we were talking about for and and I like adrenaline 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.240 and stuff, so I think, like a lot of the 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.720 ship I do like involved as adrenaline and like just 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.760 being outside of the box. And yeah, I always I 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.160 kind of start to find myself in trouble, but I'm 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.920 ex controversial now, no more trouble. Yes, You're branding is 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.240 a very clean as of now. Yes, great. So on 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.440 that point, you are one of the most talked about 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.200 people digitally and even mainstream media, one of the most 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:09.840 talked about people, and I think there's a lot of 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.600 power in that. But I also think that there's got 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.360 to be downsides to it too, because when something goes wrong, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.360 then on top of everybody's celebrating you one minute, they're 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.760 celebrating you, the next minute, everyone's shooting on you. So 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.360 there's pros and cons, right, and You've had days when 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.200 you've woken up and there's news outlets reporting on you, 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.760 people who don't know anything about you assuming things. Yeah, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:33.640 I think the biggest most annoying thing that I deal 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.560 with is misconception and people misunderstanding like who I am, 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:39.760 because at the end of the day, like I have 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.280 a reputation, and there's a reputation and there's like who 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.520 you actually are. And for the past to three years, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.599 I've had like kind of a notorious reputation. Who I 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.880 am as a person is like very different from how 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.640 the world perceives me. Like partially a lot of it's 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.200 my own fault. I don't like some of the old 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.719 ship that I did. I don't like my old self. 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.600 I don't like some of the videos that I would do. 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.679 But there's a reason I did it, and in the moment, 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.680 it was what I was doing and it got me 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.680 to where I am today. But I definitely had to 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.720 grow and learn from that. But I think the biggest 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.520 thing is when your reputation doesn't match who you are 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.360 as a person, and that is really hard to deal 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.760 with and an annoying because you're just like yo, like 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.240 I'm not that, Like I'm not this person, I'm not 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.880 like I'm not an asshole. I'm not like doing all 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.600 these like dumb things like it may look like this, 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.200 but like what's my side of the story. And a 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.080 lot of the times because I am Jake Paul and 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:32.640 I have a target on my back. People don't want 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.040 to hear that side of the story, and people just 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.159 will like just add to like the Jake Paul like 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:38.760 oh he's doing that, Oh he's doing that, Like it's 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.320 so easy to just like it's too easy. Yeah, And 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.280 they put your name in their titles, and then they're 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.480 they're getting views off of talking about you. And that's 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.159 what I hate is like those haters will watch like 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.279 other people making up about my reputation, but they don't 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.640 ever care to like go in and figure out for themselves, 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.039 which I understand and I'm not like but her, but 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.320 it's like that is the most annoying thing to deal 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.440 with in the entertainment industry. But also if there's somebody 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.400 who cares enough about me to follow me because they 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:06.760 hate me and they want to see if I'm going 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.080 to say or do something dumb, then I mean there's 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.200 still a fan. Actually, you probably have way more than 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.760 a six point five million subscribers, because you know, people 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.359 watch the videos and just don't subscribe. Yeah. I actually 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.279 thought about that the other day because I was trying 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.520 to think about how many people in the world don't 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.400 know me yet, because obviously it's a massive number of 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.440 people who don't know me. But then I was like, well, 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.680 six point five, probably only about one percent of people 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.040 who have seen me subscribe. So that's scary too, to 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.279 think about how many people have seen you in passing. 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.480 And that's not even including like uploaded content that Facebook 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.599 pages have taken my compilations and put them, and those 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.280 have a hundred million views. And that's just people that 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.119 have no idea who I. It's crazy to think about, yeah, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:50.080 and scary, weird and gross. So on the topic scary 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.400 of all these people with their eyeballs on you, Have 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.960 you ever had a situation that is actually been scary 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.560 with a fan? Yeah, I actually currently have a stalker, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.040 which I guess I shouldn't say too much about because Ascerbaby, 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.680 I didn't mean to show up. I can't believe you 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:11.720 started this whole podcast. This is unreal. I've never been 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.280 in a situation. No, I actually had been in a 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.880 situation where I felt really actually scared and I had 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.880 to get um a security guard to follow me around 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:19.200 while I was in New York. It was the first 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.280 time I was in New York for MTV and there 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.480 was somebody, can we swear on here? What's the I 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:27.000 think we can. Let me get some clear because he 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.840 was saying some really vulgar stuff, saying like, next time 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.000 you're in New York, you better beef up your security 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.080 because you will be dead next time I see you, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.280 and then talking about like burying up my dead grandma 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.360 and like fucking her skull, and like like killing and 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.560 raping my baby sister. Like it was dark. And this 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.040 was right after the Vegas shootings, and I was like, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.000 oh my god, I'm gonna be in Times Square and 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.000 this guy is telling Manny to beef up my security 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.120 and he's gonna kill me, and he's clearly very angry. 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.520 So that was really scary. Like walking around in New 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.040 York that weekend, I had my eyes peeled. And then 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.280 my phone got hacked that same weekend, like drastically hacked, 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.280 Like they stole my phone number, put their SIM card 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.560 on their phone, so I lost my phone numbers, so 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.760 they were getting all my two step verifications and I 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.480 was like, is this the same guy? Is this the 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.720 attack the same guy? Know, it was just very harmless hacker. 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.360 So everyone always puts digital personalities in one box, and 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.520 then traditional celebrities like a Tom Cruise in a different box. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:22.680 You guys probably have I mean, you definitely do. Their statistics, 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.280 have more fans than a lot of these traditional celebrities. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.480 And also there's this other layer of people. They have 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.040 more access to you guys because a lot of you, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.000 especially you, you're very real on there. You let people 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:35.920 into your real lives. So now all of a sudden, 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:37.880 if you do have a sick grandma, or you have 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.160 like a little brother, whatever it is, they know their names, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.800 they know Yeah, they're very invested. Yeah, and they know 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.880 details that maybe you wouldn't know about. You know, a 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.439 Naomi Watts or something like that, who chooses to put 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.920 nothing out there. You have to guard and shield certain 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.840 elements of your life just to protect your family. Absolutely. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:56.640 A lot of people ask me because I kind of 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.720 allude a lot to some of the stuff that I 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.160 write about with my childhood and my parents and my 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.000 relationship with my family, and people really want details, like 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.640 what happened to you. I'm open about my mental illness 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.840 and see PTSD and anxiety and stuff like that, so 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.040 people want to know, like what is your PTSD from? 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.520 And it's like I can't share that much. I would, 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.880 but it's not just my story. So people need to 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.400 realize that people in my life aren't just an extension 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.800 of me. They are their own person, and other people 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.760 share that story with me. So I can't tell my 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.199 story without also exposing the personal lives of my siblings 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:27.800 and my family and my aunts and my uncle's and 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.360 that's not fair to them. And then also, if I'm 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.960 dating somebody, I'm very very careful to keep it under 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.360 wraps because if something goes wrong, I don't want them 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:37.719 to get hate. I don't want to have to deal 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.880 with a breakup publicly, so very personal things I keep 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:42.360 to myself. But if it has to do with me 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.880 and me only, I'm pretty open about it. Yes. So 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:46.960 Layla is my best friend from college. We've been best 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.800 friends forever, and her daughter is my god daughter, Isabelle 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.480 obsessed with Macy. Macy had this bob out. It was 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.160 like a s it was vibe right or is it? 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:58.800 It was fine? It's because I always want to say 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.480 kill my vibe, but it's just vibe. And my goddaughter 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.520 would dance this forever, and I'm like, oh, Macy's coming 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:05.920 out with a new song. I'm going to play it 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:07.480 for her, and then I hear the first line of 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.199 this song, I'm like, yeah, Isabel will not be dancing 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.760 to this song. Not yet. There actually is a clean version. Okay, 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.080 so what is it? Hey want to play chess? It's 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.040 I mean, it's it's just it's like bleeped out, like 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:26.880 it's just what everyone knows, right right, But yeah, there's 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:30.240 actually whenever I do it live, I have to like 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:34.120 do a clean version for you know, all of the 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.880 general public. Yes, so what is the do you just 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.040 not say I say, hey, want to love or like, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:43.400 you know that's cute. Yeah, yeah, the difference she's like 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:49.920 a love let's I tried to figure out like replacement 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.360 words like want to hug or like want to hook 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.599 up or something. I think love is fine. Yeah, it works, 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.760 is natural. Yeah. So, for those of you who are 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:03.960 not familiar, Macy is a very very talented female artist 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.640 who actually caught her start on YouTube and when it 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.960 makes perfect sense for this show behind the influence of 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.120 millions of subscribers on your YouTube channel. When I first 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.440 discovered Macy, she was doing covers. But before that you 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.560 did have a legit music career. You just kind of 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.440 like went solo, decided to do your own thing and 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.880 start your YouTube channel. And that's when I saw all 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:29.560 of her amazing covers, which if you guys haven't seen those, 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.240 go check out her YouTube channel because your voice is insane. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:35.520 And then the reason we thought this would be a 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.839 great tie in for the show is you actually were 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:42.720 able to leverage your fan base on YouTube and digital 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.640 on through Instagram, Twitter, to them launch a really successful 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.200 which is still up and common. It's still happening, it's 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:54.560 growing and still absolutely growing, and so let's talk about 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.480 that a little bit. When you first started the channel, 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.400 was your motivation or was the game plan to always 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.199 do what ended up happening. When I started it, no, 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.280 I was like twelve, and I was like just wanting 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.160 to do covers. I just found out I could sing. 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:14.959 I wasn't I wasn't seasoned in writing or producing yet 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:19.080 at all. So starting the channel, it was more for 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:23.920 fun doing covers, and then once it started taking off, 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.920 I started going into original stuff and writing. But even 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.360 before I started the channel, I was already touring and 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.280 doing stuff, you know, live and everything. It's a little 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.440 backstory just for people who don't know the story. You 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.600 were into music prior to launting the music account. Yeah, 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.800 I actually moved to Atlanta when I was like twelve, 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.679 and I was in a girl group in Atlanta, and 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:53.240 that was where we had full artist development, which now 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.280 is like really not a thing. I'm so glad I 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.920 went through it those especially at such a young age 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:59.920 where you could actually be like okay, because nobody knows 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.439 they aren't twelve like at all. So you go, You're 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.520 getting all the great training that you needed that could 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.800 probably help you. And honestly, like, I feel like I 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:14.319 have some sort of advantage because I had artist development 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.800 to handle things under pressure and you know, to be 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.760 juggling so much and and you know, like having interviews 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.040 and shows and stuff all while you know a bunch 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.560 of stuff behind the scenes are happening. So that was 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.400 a great way for me to really figure out the industry. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.400 I think too. I was trained by like amazing people 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.320 in Atlanta, so it was great. After the girl group, 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.600 I kind of took those producers and writers that I 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.480 had worked with in the girl group and just made 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:44.160 connections through there. Then was managed by another uh female, 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.920 strong female her names Amber Grimes, and she helps me 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.280 throughout the industry in Atlanta and producers and writers who 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.360 now funny enough are all out here doing amazing things 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.280 and like writing hits first Beyoncation. I'm just going to 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.160 continue to do me. Hopefully they'll see like, oh that 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.959 kid isn't as bad as we thought he was, or 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.840 all that kid was just young and he made stupid 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.640 mistakes like justin Bieber, like me jumping on a news van, 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.200 like you know, me lighting a pool on fire, Like 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.839 it's all that dumb ship. That's like lighting people on fire, 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:18.880 said people. I was like, damn interview over, Um, you 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.360 have to grow as a person. And I think the 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.760 world has seen even me and my brother do that 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:25.960 in front of their eyes. Hopefully. I think there's definitely 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.240 still a target on our back. But well that's never 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.720 going to change, right as long as you're relevant and 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.600 people are talking about you, you have to know that 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.720 that's what you signed up for, right, Yeah, And it's 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.760 like that sucks. Yeah, I honestly, I think that's really 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.520 evolved of you to think that way and to say that. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.760 But putting myself in your shoes, I mean, somebody makes 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.600 fun of you, you you feel horrible, like one person you 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.880 have to have such thick skin and such a good 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:50.920 head on your shoulders to keep it moving, because I 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.600 remember when a lot of controversies were happening, you kept 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.920 it moving and you just kept doing your thing. That 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:57.520 has to be hard, and I feel like you probably 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.560 have a really strong community around you. Ever saying, I 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:04.320 think my support system is awesome. My parents, my brother, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.040 even I was there for him when he needed me, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.040 and he's been there for for me when I needed him. 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.360 And the way we look at it is just different. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.200 And we almost joke about people hating on us because 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.560 we just know it's not fucking true and we know 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.920 who we are. It's like we deal with things with 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.040 comedy a lot of the times, and I'm not going anywhere, 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.480 so it's like these people can hate on me all 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.000 they want, but like, I'm smarter than that to like 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.960 let that drag me down. I know what I'm doing 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.960 in this industry, and this industry is literally a game, 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.880 and when you figure out like how to play it 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.480 and be smart about it, you pretty much secure a 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.720 spot in the industry. And me and my brother have 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.560 already done that. And it's like we've gone through the 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.960 most amount of hate already that we possibly can. Like, 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.520 I don't see how it could go any worse or 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.160 be any stronger than what it's already been. Like we 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.800 were at one point in January early January two, that 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.400 was eighteen, my brother and I were the most hated 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.080 people probably on the internet, and we rose about that. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.680 Here we are. I feel better than ever. I feel 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.560 more knowledgeable than ever, same with my brother, and we 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.320 are making bigger moves than we've ever done before. And 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.520 it doesn't necessarily just involve like making vlogs or like 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.240 YouTube stuff. It's just like business. So I actually have 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.160 a lot of really close friends in the YouTube world 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.120 because we understand each other in a way that nobody 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.360 else can. I'm just not posting about it, so people 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.600 think that I'm not hanging out these people, but I am. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.680 It's crazy. And do you notice there's a clickiness in 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:35.240 the YouTube space? Yeah, because, as you know, I've worked 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.320 on YouTube platforms. I don't know if you've heard of 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.400 Clever TV, but like where I got my start, we're 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.920 working as a network, but we're not individuals trying to 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.560 get more followers and get more views. And you can 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.120 hear all these stories about you know, people that were 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.320 once friends and then this person got more followers, and 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.560 then there was jealousy, and there's like all this random 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.120 stuff that happens. It seems like clicks are always shifting, 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.120 and yeah, I mean, I'll be the first to say 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.440 that in the beginning, I definitely dealt with that too, 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.840 because it's so hard when say, like you're the person 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.240 who everyone's like, oh my god, I want to be 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.320 that person's friend, and then they start to get bigger 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.080 than you. Of course you're going to feel some type 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.239 of jealousy until you learn how to check yourself and 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.080 balance that, and then of course you're happy for your friends, 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:13.720 but then there's like, oh, well they got the brand 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.480 deal over me, or YouTube is recommending them over me now. 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.720 And that's why I like to keep it separate, because 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:23.040 I found myself getting jealous of people and resenting helping 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.480 and just it's an ugly place to be. And I 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.119 was an ugly person at that time. It's like four 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:29.919 or five years ago. But I see a lot of 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.119 people now not being able to check themselves and recognize 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.560 themselves and then trying to bury each other because of 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.840 those things. It honestly is so scary and that's why 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:42.840 I'm so excited to get more into music and other projects, 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.479 because YouTube causes me so much anxiety. Me too, And 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.480 I'm not even a YouTube I go on YouTube and 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.800 it's like my response to so and so, and I'm 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.840 just oh god, yeah and so out. I think the 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.479 thing that is the worst about YouTube now and just 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:00.480 the culture in general, is I've never in my life 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.600 saying so many people celebrate the destruction and downfall of people, 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.440 whether you think somebody did something awful or not. When 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.880 I see people doing live streams of people losing subscribers 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.879 and making memes of everybody's celebrating that people are losing subscribers, 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.119 It's like, this is somebody's life. This is somebody's career. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.879 Whether you're fifteen, thirty, fifty, I don't know how whatever 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.280 the rest of your life, this is going to follow them. 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:26.200 And I don't think anybody deserves the amount of hate 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.280 from millions and millions and millions of people. And no 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.159 matter what you call it, it is bullying. Whether you 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.199 think that person deserves what they're getting or not, then 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:34.919 sit back and say, you know what, this person deserves 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.199 to lose their subscribers. Fine, but to get online and 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.560 make videos putting their faces a thumbnail, putting memes next 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.760 to them, making full videos saying how they're a horrible 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.960 person and like laughing and showing their social blade. It's 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.920 disgusting and I just can't, like, I just can't get 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:51.719 behind it. And maybe that's just me, but I just 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.000 wish that the world was a little bit more compassionate 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:58.199 for people, even people that they believe deserve punishment. I 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.359 just felt like I was boxed in in Atlanta in 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:02.720 a way. So I was like, I feel like I 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.919 need to like figure out how to get to l A. 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.879 And I was like, I'll just start auditioning for reality shows. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:11.920 So I auditioned for reality shows like what kind of 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:17.879 reality shows, American Idol, The Voice, all of that, and 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.880 also all while I was doing that, I also had 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.680 my YouTube channel happening, so I had reality shows contacting 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.600 me as well to audition because reality shows are not 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.840 always stand in line an audition. It's like you'll get 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:32.679 called in and be like, hey, can you come audition. 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.840