Speaker 1: Welcome to Behind the Influence, a production of I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio and t DC Media. Hey what the fuck did
Speaker 1: I just say that? Oh my god? I feel stupid.
Speaker 1: Am Mostly I think I made to stop drinking. I
Speaker 1: got people blaming me for ship they did to me,
Speaker 1: lots of people shaming me for ship they didn't see.
Speaker 1: So want the thing and pull the drink and throw
Speaker 1: them off. Your chick, you'll get your season. I've been sinking,
Speaker 1: coping at my heart broken. I don't know why. I've
Speaker 1: been thinking, get hoping. Can we leave it open? I
Speaker 1: just need time, I just need time. But why even try,
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think with entertainers, though, it's interesting because
Speaker 1: a lot of entertainers I talked to are actually introverts,
Speaker 1: and I think that you are actually like you are
Speaker 1: this ball of energy. Yeah, you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a show, right, No, for sure. I've always been
Speaker 1: the class clown, like I was always getting in trouble
Speaker 1: with my teachers, always drawing attention to myself, and I've
Speaker 1: always just been that person. To me, it's like fun
Speaker 1: and I like to create that energy because I think
Speaker 1: life's fucking boring. I think life's so boring. Like if
Speaker 1: you think about it, like the only thing that matters
Speaker 1: is a conversation and human interaction when you boil it
Speaker 1: down at the end of the day, and like how
Speaker 1: other people make you feel. And to me, it's like
Speaker 1: I was like sitting in class, or I would be
Speaker 1: like sitting in like an assembly or at football practice,
Speaker 1: and everyone's just going through the motions of life, just
Speaker 1: like we're here, We're sitting here, this is what we
Speaker 1: have to do. And I was or is the person like, no,
Speaker 1: let's make this fun. Let's make jokes, let's talk about ship,
Speaker 1: let's like prank people, let's spice this up a little bit.
Speaker 1: You have six point five a million subscribers if not more,
Speaker 1: on YouTube, and then you have almost four million followers.
Speaker 1: I did have four million at one point, and then
Speaker 1: Instagram did their sweep and then I was a meme
Speaker 1: and then I lost the bunch, and then we're basically
Speaker 1: bribing Brian here to play Macy's single that she just
Speaker 1: played for me, cry for Help. It is so good.
Speaker 1: Such a departure, not in it. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: other stuff wasn't good, but such a departure from your
Speaker 1: other music. Yeah, it's so different, and like I want
Speaker 1: people to recognize that I think too. I mean, opening line,
Speaker 1: it's different than anything I've ever heard. And if you
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about, go check out it's right,
Speaker 1: it's it's already been released. Go check out the song.
Speaker 1: You will not regret it, you guys. It's Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: definitely a shocker. It's a shocking opening line. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I thought of it as like I would want
Speaker 1: to listen to the rest of the song. You move
Speaker 1: out to l A, everybody's eyes are on you, but
Speaker 1: then sometimes you're getting in trouble, right, But it's because
Speaker 1: you're creating your own I guess, non boring life, right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like just doing what you want because
Speaker 1: you don't care what other people think. And yeah, like
Speaker 1: I've kind of always been like the problem child. Why
Speaker 1: do you think I think for that reason, Like because
Speaker 1: I literally get bored, Like we were in the we
Speaker 1: we were I just an interview and like we're in
Speaker 1: the green room and we're just in this room. There's
Speaker 1: like a TV. I was like started to like I'm
Speaker 1: just like yo, like what's going on here? Like like
Speaker 1: we need to do something like I get bored super easily.
Speaker 1: I think that's where it stems from. And I have
Speaker 1: a lot of energy and a d h D like
Speaker 1: we were talking about for and and I like adrenaline
Speaker 1: and stuff, so I think, like a lot of the
Speaker 1: ship I do like involved as adrenaline and like just
Speaker 1: being outside of the box. And yeah, I always I
Speaker 1: kind of start to find myself in trouble, but I'm
Speaker 1: ex controversial now, no more trouble. Yes, You're branding is
Speaker 1: a very clean as of now. Yes, great. So on
Speaker 1: that point, you are one of the most talked about
Speaker 1: people digitally and even mainstream media, one of the most
Speaker 1: talked about people, and I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: power in that. But I also think that there's got
Speaker 1: to be downsides to it too, because when something goes wrong,
Speaker 1: then on top of everybody's celebrating you one minute, they're
Speaker 1: celebrating you, the next minute, everyone's shooting on you. So
Speaker 1: there's pros and cons, right, and You've had days when
Speaker 1: you've woken up and there's news outlets reporting on you,
Speaker 1: people who don't know anything about you assuming things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the biggest most annoying thing that I deal
Speaker 1: with is misconception and people misunderstanding like who I am,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, like I have
Speaker 1: a reputation, and there's a reputation and there's like who
Speaker 1: you actually are. And for the past to three years,
Speaker 1: I've had like kind of a notorious reputation. Who I
Speaker 1: am as a person is like very different from how
Speaker 1: the world perceives me. Like partially a lot of it's
Speaker 1: my own fault. I don't like some of the old
Speaker 1: ship that I did. I don't like my old self.
Speaker 1: I don't like some of the videos that I would do.
Speaker 1: But there's a reason I did it, and in the moment,
Speaker 1: it was what I was doing and it got me
Speaker 1: to where I am today. But I definitely had to
Speaker 1: grow and learn from that. But I think the biggest
Speaker 1: thing is when your reputation doesn't match who you are
Speaker 1: as a person, and that is really hard to deal
Speaker 1: with and an annoying because you're just like yo, like
Speaker 1: I'm not that, Like I'm not this person, I'm not
Speaker 1: like I'm not an asshole. I'm not like doing all
Speaker 1: these like dumb things like it may look like this,
Speaker 1: but like what's my side of the story. And a
Speaker 1: lot of the times because I am Jake Paul and
Speaker 1: I have a target on my back. People don't want
Speaker 1: to hear that side of the story, and people just
Speaker 1: will like just add to like the Jake Paul like
Speaker 1: oh he's doing that, Oh he's doing that, Like it's
Speaker 1: so easy to just like it's too easy. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: they put your name in their titles, and then they're
Speaker 1: they're getting views off of talking about you. And that's
Speaker 1: what I hate is like those haters will watch like
Speaker 1: other people making up about my reputation, but they don't
Speaker 1: ever care to like go in and figure out for themselves,
Speaker 1: which I understand and I'm not like but her, but
Speaker 1: it's like that is the most annoying thing to deal
Speaker 1: with in the entertainment industry. But also if there's somebody
Speaker 1: who cares enough about me to follow me because they
Speaker 1: hate me and they want to see if I'm going
Speaker 1: to say or do something dumb, then I mean there's
Speaker 1: still a fan. Actually, you probably have way more than
Speaker 1: a six point five million subscribers, because you know, people
Speaker 1: watch the videos and just don't subscribe. Yeah. I actually
Speaker 1: thought about that the other day because I was trying
Speaker 1: to think about how many people in the world don't
Speaker 1: know me yet, because obviously it's a massive number of
Speaker 1: people who don't know me. But then I was like, well,
Speaker 1: six point five, probably only about one percent of people
Speaker 1: who have seen me subscribe. So that's scary too, to
Speaker 1: think about how many people have seen you in passing.
Speaker 1: And that's not even including like uploaded content that Facebook
Speaker 1: pages have taken my compilations and put them, and those
Speaker 1: have a hundred million views. And that's just people that
Speaker 1: have no idea who I. It's crazy to think about, yeah,
Speaker 1: and scary, weird and gross. So on the topic scary
Speaker 1: of all these people with their eyeballs on you, Have
Speaker 1: you ever had a situation that is actually been scary
Speaker 1: with a fan? Yeah, I actually currently have a stalker,
Speaker 1: which I guess I shouldn't say too much about because Ascerbaby,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to show up. I can't believe you
Speaker 1: started this whole podcast. This is unreal. I've never been
Speaker 1: in a situation. No, I actually had been in a
Speaker 1: situation where I felt really actually scared and I had
Speaker 1: to get um a security guard to follow me around
Speaker 1: while I was in New York. It was the first
Speaker 1: time I was in New York for MTV and there
Speaker 1: was somebody, can we swear on here? What's the I
Speaker 1: think we can. Let me get some clear because he
Speaker 1: was saying some really vulgar stuff, saying like, next time
Speaker 1: you're in New York, you better beef up your security
Speaker 1: because you will be dead next time I see you,
Speaker 1: and then talking about like burying up my dead grandma
Speaker 1: and like fucking her skull, and like like killing and
Speaker 1: raping my baby sister. Like it was dark. And this
Speaker 1: was right after the Vegas shootings, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm gonna be in Times Square and
Speaker 1: this guy is telling Manny to beef up my security
Speaker 1: and he's gonna kill me, and he's clearly very angry.
Speaker 1: So that was really scary. Like walking around in New
Speaker 1: York that weekend, I had my eyes peeled. And then
Speaker 1: my phone got hacked that same weekend, like drastically hacked,
Speaker 1: Like they stole my phone number, put their SIM card
Speaker 1: on their phone, so I lost my phone numbers, so
Speaker 1: they were getting all my two step verifications and I
Speaker 1: was like, is this the same guy? Is this the
Speaker 1: attack the same guy? Know, it was just very harmless hacker.
Speaker 1: So everyone always puts digital personalities in one box, and
Speaker 1: then traditional celebrities like a Tom Cruise in a different box.
Speaker 1: You guys probably have I mean, you definitely do. Their statistics,
Speaker 1: have more fans than a lot of these traditional celebrities.
Speaker 1: And also there's this other layer of people. They have
Speaker 1: more access to you guys because a lot of you,
Speaker 1: especially you, you're very real on there. You let people
Speaker 1: into your real lives. So now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: if you do have a sick grandma, or you have
Speaker 1: like a little brother, whatever it is, they know their names,
Speaker 1: they know Yeah, they're very invested. Yeah, and they know
Speaker 1: details that maybe you wouldn't know about. You know, a
Speaker 1: Naomi Watts or something like that, who chooses to put
Speaker 1: nothing out there. You have to guard and shield certain
Speaker 1: elements of your life just to protect your family. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: A lot of people ask me because I kind of
Speaker 1: allude a lot to some of the stuff that I
Speaker 1: write about with my childhood and my parents and my
Speaker 1: relationship with my family, and people really want details, like
Speaker 1: what happened to you. I'm open about my mental illness
Speaker 1: and see PTSD and anxiety and stuff like that, so
Speaker 1: people want to know, like what is your PTSD from?
Speaker 1: And it's like I can't share that much. I would,
Speaker 1: but it's not just my story. So people need to
Speaker 1: realize that people in my life aren't just an extension
Speaker 1: of me. They are their own person, and other people
Speaker 1: share that story with me. So I can't tell my
Speaker 1: story without also exposing the personal lives of my siblings
Speaker 1: and my family and my aunts and my uncle's and
Speaker 1: that's not fair to them. And then also, if I'm
Speaker 1: dating somebody, I'm very very careful to keep it under
Speaker 1: wraps because if something goes wrong, I don't want them
Speaker 1: to get hate. I don't want to have to deal
Speaker 1: with a breakup publicly, so very personal things I keep
Speaker 1: to myself. But if it has to do with me
Speaker 1: and me only, I'm pretty open about it. Yes. So
Speaker 1: Layla is my best friend from college. We've been best
Speaker 1: friends forever, and her daughter is my god daughter, Isabelle
Speaker 1: obsessed with Macy. Macy had this bob out. It was
Speaker 1: like a s it was vibe right or is it?
Speaker 1: It was fine? It's because I always want to say
Speaker 1: kill my vibe, but it's just vibe. And my goddaughter
Speaker 1: would dance this forever, and I'm like, oh, Macy's coming
Speaker 1: out with a new song. I'm going to play it
Speaker 1: for her, and then I hear the first line of
Speaker 1: this song, I'm like, yeah, Isabel will not be dancing
Speaker 1: to this song. Not yet. There actually is a clean version. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what is it? Hey want to play chess? It's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just it's like bleeped out, like
Speaker 1: it's just what everyone knows, right right, But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: actually whenever I do it live, I have to like
Speaker 1: do a clean version for you know, all of the
Speaker 1: general public. Yes, so what is the do you just
Speaker 1: not say I say, hey, want to love or like,
Speaker 1: you know that's cute. Yeah, yeah, the difference she's like
Speaker 1: a love let's I tried to figure out like replacement
Speaker 1: words like want to hug or like want to hook
Speaker 1: up or something. I think love is fine. Yeah, it works,
Speaker 1: is natural. Yeah. So, for those of you who are
Speaker 1: not familiar, Macy is a very very talented female artist
Speaker 1: who actually caught her start on YouTube and when it
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense for this show behind the influence of
Speaker 1: millions of subscribers on your YouTube channel. When I first
Speaker 1: discovered Macy, she was doing covers. But before that you
Speaker 1: did have a legit music career. You just kind of
Speaker 1: like went solo, decided to do your own thing and
Speaker 1: start your YouTube channel. And that's when I saw all
Speaker 1: of her amazing covers, which if you guys haven't seen those,
Speaker 1: go check out her YouTube channel because your voice is insane.
Speaker 1: And then the reason we thought this would be a
Speaker 1: great tie in for the show is you actually were
Speaker 1: able to leverage your fan base on YouTube and digital
Speaker 1: on through Instagram, Twitter, to them launch a really successful
Speaker 1: which is still up and common. It's still happening, it's
Speaker 1: growing and still absolutely growing, and so let's talk about
Speaker 1: that a little bit. When you first started the channel,
Speaker 1: was your motivation or was the game plan to always
Speaker 1: do what ended up happening. When I started it, no,
Speaker 1: I was like twelve, and I was like just wanting
Speaker 1: to do covers. I just found out I could sing.
Speaker 1: I wasn't I wasn't seasoned in writing or producing yet
Speaker 1: at all. So starting the channel, it was more for
Speaker 1: fun doing covers, and then once it started taking off,
Speaker 1: I started going into original stuff and writing. But even
Speaker 1: before I started the channel, I was already touring and
Speaker 1: doing stuff, you know, live and everything. It's a little
Speaker 1: backstory just for people who don't know the story. You
Speaker 1: were into music prior to launting the music account. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually moved to Atlanta when I was like twelve,
Speaker 1: and I was in a girl group in Atlanta, and
Speaker 1: that was where we had full artist development, which now
Speaker 1: is like really not a thing. I'm so glad I
Speaker 1: went through it those especially at such a young age
Speaker 1: where you could actually be like okay, because nobody knows
Speaker 1: they aren't twelve like at all. So you go, You're
Speaker 1: getting all the great training that you needed that could
Speaker 1: probably help you. And honestly, like, I feel like I
Speaker 1: have some sort of advantage because I had artist development
Speaker 1: to handle things under pressure and you know, to be
Speaker 1: juggling so much and and you know, like having interviews
Speaker 1: and shows and stuff all while you know a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff behind the scenes are happening. So that was
Speaker 1: a great way for me to really figure out the industry.
Speaker 1: I think too. I was trained by like amazing people
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, so it was great. After the girl group,
Speaker 1: I kind of took those producers and writers that I
Speaker 1: had worked with in the girl group and just made
Speaker 1: connections through there. Then was managed by another uh female,
Speaker 1: strong female her names Amber Grimes, and she helps me
Speaker 1: throughout the industry in Atlanta and producers and writers who
Speaker 1: now funny enough are all out here doing amazing things
Speaker 1: and like writing hits first Beyoncation. I'm just going to
Speaker 1: continue to do me. Hopefully they'll see like, oh that
Speaker 1: kid isn't as bad as we thought he was, or
Speaker 1: all that kid was just young and he made stupid
Speaker 1: mistakes like justin Bieber, like me jumping on a news van,
Speaker 1: like you know, me lighting a pool on fire, Like
Speaker 1: it's all that dumb ship. That's like lighting people on fire,
Speaker 1: said people. I was like, damn interview over, Um, you
Speaker 1: have to grow as a person. And I think the
Speaker 1: world has seen even me and my brother do that
Speaker 1: in front of their eyes. Hopefully. I think there's definitely
Speaker 1: still a target on our back. But well that's never
Speaker 1: going to change, right as long as you're relevant and
Speaker 1: people are talking about you, you have to know that
Speaker 1: that's what you signed up for, right, Yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: like that sucks. Yeah, I honestly, I think that's really
Speaker 1: evolved of you to think that way and to say that.
Speaker 1: But putting myself in your shoes, I mean, somebody makes
Speaker 1: fun of you, you you feel horrible, like one person you
Speaker 1: have to have such thick skin and such a good
Speaker 1: head on your shoulders to keep it moving, because I
Speaker 1: remember when a lot of controversies were happening, you kept
Speaker 1: it moving and you just kept doing your thing. That
Speaker 1: has to be hard, and I feel like you probably
Speaker 1: have a really strong community around you. Ever saying, I
Speaker 1: think my support system is awesome. My parents, my brother,
Speaker 1: even I was there for him when he needed me,
Speaker 1: and he's been there for for me when I needed him.
Speaker 1: And the way we look at it is just different.
Speaker 1: And we almost joke about people hating on us because
Speaker 1: we just know it's not fucking true and we know
Speaker 1: who we are. It's like we deal with things with
Speaker 1: comedy a lot of the times, and I'm not going anywhere,
Speaker 1: so it's like these people can hate on me all
Speaker 1: they want, but like, I'm smarter than that to like
Speaker 1: let that drag me down. I know what I'm doing
Speaker 1: in this industry, and this industry is literally a game,
Speaker 1: and when you figure out like how to play it
Speaker 1: and be smart about it, you pretty much secure a
Speaker 1: spot in the industry. And me and my brother have
Speaker 1: already done that. And it's like we've gone through the
Speaker 1: most amount of hate already that we possibly can. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't see how it could go any worse or
Speaker 1: be any stronger than what it's already been. Like we
Speaker 1: were at one point in January early January two, that
Speaker 1: was eighteen, my brother and I were the most hated
Speaker 1: people probably on the internet, and we rose about that.
Speaker 1: Here we are. I feel better than ever. I feel
Speaker 1: more knowledgeable than ever, same with my brother, and we
Speaker 1: are making bigger moves than we've ever done before. And
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily just involve like making vlogs or like
Speaker 1: YouTube stuff. It's just like business. So I actually have
Speaker 1: a lot of really close friends in the YouTube world
Speaker 1: because we understand each other in a way that nobody
Speaker 1: else can. I'm just not posting about it, so people
Speaker 1: think that I'm not hanging out these people, but I am.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. And do you notice there's a clickiness in
Speaker 1: the YouTube space? Yeah, because, as you know, I've worked
Speaker 1: on YouTube platforms. I don't know if you've heard of
Speaker 1: Clever TV, but like where I got my start, we're
Speaker 1: working as a network, but we're not individuals trying to
Speaker 1: get more followers and get more views. And you can
Speaker 1: hear all these stories about you know, people that were
Speaker 1: once friends and then this person got more followers, and
Speaker 1: then there was jealousy, and there's like all this random
Speaker 1: stuff that happens. It seems like clicks are always shifting,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean, I'll be the first to say
Speaker 1: that in the beginning, I definitely dealt with that too,
Speaker 1: because it's so hard when say, like you're the person
Speaker 1: who everyone's like, oh my god, I want to be
Speaker 1: that person's friend, and then they start to get bigger
Speaker 1: than you. Of course you're going to feel some type
Speaker 1: of jealousy until you learn how to check yourself and
Speaker 1: balance that, and then of course you're happy for your friends,
Speaker 1: but then there's like, oh, well they got the brand
Speaker 1: deal over me, or YouTube is recommending them over me now.
Speaker 1: And that's why I like to keep it separate, because
Speaker 1: I found myself getting jealous of people and resenting helping
Speaker 1: and just it's an ugly place to be. And I
Speaker 1: was an ugly person at that time. It's like four
Speaker 1: or five years ago. But I see a lot of
Speaker 1: people now not being able to check themselves and recognize
Speaker 1: themselves and then trying to bury each other because of
Speaker 1: those things. It honestly is so scary and that's why
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to get more into music and other projects,
Speaker 1: because YouTube causes me so much anxiety. Me too, And
Speaker 1: I'm not even a YouTube I go on YouTube and
Speaker 1: it's like my response to so and so, and I'm
Speaker 1: just oh god, yeah and so out. I think the
Speaker 1: thing that is the worst about YouTube now and just
Speaker 1: the culture in general, is I've never in my life
Speaker 1: saying so many people celebrate the destruction and downfall of people,
Speaker 1: whether you think somebody did something awful or not. When
Speaker 1: I see people doing live streams of people losing subscribers
Speaker 1: and making memes of everybody's celebrating that people are losing subscribers,
Speaker 1: It's like, this is somebody's life. This is somebody's career.
Speaker 1: Whether you're fifteen, thirty, fifty, I don't know how whatever
Speaker 1: the rest of your life, this is going to follow them.
Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody deserves the amount of hate
Speaker 1: from millions and millions and millions of people. And no
Speaker 1: matter what you call it, it is bullying. Whether you
Speaker 1: think that person deserves what they're getting or not, then
Speaker 1: sit back and say, you know what, this person deserves
Speaker 1: to lose their subscribers. Fine, but to get online and
Speaker 1: make videos putting their faces a thumbnail, putting memes next
Speaker 1: to them, making full videos saying how they're a horrible
Speaker 1: person and like laughing and showing their social blade. It's
Speaker 1: disgusting and I just can't, like, I just can't get
Speaker 1: behind it. And maybe that's just me, but I just
Speaker 1: wish that the world was a little bit more compassionate
Speaker 1: for people, even people that they believe deserve punishment. I
Speaker 1: just felt like I was boxed in in Atlanta in
Speaker 1: a way. So I was like, I feel like I
Speaker 1: need to like figure out how to get to l A.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll just start auditioning for reality shows.
Speaker 1: So I auditioned for reality shows like what kind of
Speaker 1: reality shows, American Idol, The Voice, all of that, and
Speaker 1: also all while I was doing that, I also had
Speaker 1: my YouTube channel happening, so I had reality shows contacting
Speaker 1: me as well to audition because reality shows are not
Speaker 1: always stand in line an audition. It's like you'll get
Speaker 1: called in and be like, hey, can you come audition.
Speaker 1: So I ended up planning this reality shows called Rising Star,
Speaker 1: which brought me to l A. And I was out
Speaker 1: here for three months, staying and they put us in
Speaker 1: this amazing hotel is called the SLS and and it
Speaker 1: was just like, that's pretty fancy for a show. We're
Speaker 1: literally living there for like three months. That's insane. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I was at the pool. How old are you? I
Speaker 1: was like, I had to be, like fourteen fifteen. You're
Speaker 1: living at the fucking s l S as a fifteen
Speaker 1: year old. My mom was loving it too, she was
Speaker 1: I mean, I was a minor, so I had to
Speaker 1: have my parents' hilarious. Yeah, we were like, we're just valent.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it gave us like a weekly allowance was great.
Speaker 1: But anyways, yeah, that was an amazing experience as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think when you're in when you get
Speaker 1: into the reality show world and the TV side of things,
Speaker 1: it's a lot different than like traditional music industry. It's
Speaker 1: like very staged and all of that. I definitely found
Speaker 1: myself through reality shows, I think too, a lot of
Speaker 1: like experiences that I experienced at a really young age
Speaker 1: to you know, be documented and comparing like where I
Speaker 1: am where I was when filming those and then where
Speaker 1: I am now is just like really dope to look at.
Speaker 1: So yeah, once I went through the reality show it
Speaker 1: kind of gave me like a another platform on top
Speaker 1: of YouTube to like bounce off of. And then at
Speaker 1: the same time, I was still just trying to like
Speaker 1: figure out how to get in touch with the executives
Speaker 1: and all that. So I was going I was going
Speaker 1: to music conferences as well. So in Florida and Atlanta,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of music conferences and a lot
Speaker 1: of executives that are there, so I would pull up
Speaker 1: I would like try and make relationships, and I ended
Speaker 1: up making this really dope relationship with Reverb Nation and
Speaker 1: the owner of Reverb Nation, and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we had a band cancel on this opening night of
Speaker 1: this conference was called Driven Music Conference, and he was like,
Speaker 1: do you want to come perform for like all the
Speaker 1: executives at the executive dinner? And I was like duh,
Speaker 1: And I ended up performing there that night. Florida's A
Speaker 1: and R was at the executive dinner. I ended up
Speaker 1: leaving super fast because I had to show the next day.
Speaker 1: So he apparently was trying to find me after the dinner.
Speaker 1: Ended up not connecting at all, and he had sent
Speaker 1: someone out to like go to my show the next day.
Speaker 1: This girl came to my show and was like Florida's
Speaker 1: A and R has been trying to like find you
Speaker 1: for like, was that the craziest thing to Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I'm like, when you're doing stuff, you feel like nobody's watching,
Speaker 1: when really there are people in silence watching you at
Speaker 1: all times. And that was like a crazy moment because
Speaker 1: I'm like I was feeling like no one was like
Speaker 1: getting what I was doing. At the time, I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like run down. I was like sixteen seventeen,
Speaker 1: and I had been doing this for like not super long,
Speaker 1: but like five years felt like a long time for me,
Speaker 1: And especially when you're so young, it's like your whole
Speaker 1: high school career basically, so you've given up normal high
Speaker 1: school things to pursue this passion. So yeah, that does
Speaker 1: seem like a really long time. Yeah, so that hindsight,
Speaker 1: it's not that long of a career of somebody, but
Speaker 1: for that age, yes, I was like getting impatient and
Speaker 1: and then to hear that was like, Wow, this is
Speaker 1: like it's really dope to have recognition. Finally, we feel
Speaker 1: like we are just starting. We feel like we haven't
Speaker 1: even scratched the service of like what we're able to accomplish,
Speaker 1: and we learned a lot I think in the past
Speaker 1: like four to five years since you we were talking
Speaker 1: about like off camera, like since I first moved here
Speaker 1: and when we met, like I'm so much a different
Speaker 1: person from that person to who I am now, and
Speaker 1: so I can only imagine where like the next four
Speaker 1: years ago, we just I feel like we have so
Speaker 1: much more to offer than like what we are coined as,
Speaker 1: which is like YouTubers. Do you not like the term YouTubers?
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say it's a bad thing to be called. But you
Speaker 1: are an actor as well, you are getting into music,
Speaker 1: you do a lot of stuff. We have pages and
Speaker 1: pages on things I want to talk about with you,
Speaker 1: and we will not have enough time because you have
Speaker 1: so much going on. So yeah, I hate the term YouTuber.
Speaker 1: And like I'm a professional boxer now, I'm literally a
Speaker 1: licensed professional boxer. We need to talk about So okay,
Speaker 1: I don't I can't categorize myself into one thing because
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out there's so many different
Speaker 1: angles with you, right, and I was like, Okay, what
Speaker 1: are we going to focus on his business angle? Because
Speaker 1: he's made people millions of dollars. He's made people famous
Speaker 1: from literally being nobody's. He has boxed real boxers. He
Speaker 1: makes music videos and spends more on budget for production,
Speaker 1: probably than Nicki Minaj. So let's discuss all these things.
Speaker 1: I feel like you go hard, and not only do
Speaker 1: you go hard in all these areas, but you dominate
Speaker 1: all these areas. Why do you think you've been given
Speaker 1: this superpower? You're not. Oh, I want to become a
Speaker 1: boxer and then take a class at box Union. You
Speaker 1: fucking train and like you get the best trainers and
Speaker 1: you actually do televised events boxing, And when did you
Speaker 1: decide to do this two years ago and now you're
Speaker 1: an actual boxer. Yeah. I think it goes back to
Speaker 1: a couple of things, one being the goal of becoming
Speaker 1: the best at whatever I do, or at least giving
Speaker 1: my one effort into becoming the best at that, which
Speaker 1: goes back to like my roots being in Ohio, and
Speaker 1: like my work ethic, which like my parents installed in me.
Speaker 1: Like I had a landscaping company when I was like
Speaker 1: fifteen sixty, and I wanted it to be like the
Speaker 1: best landscaping company. I want to have the most clients,
Speaker 1: and I just always like worked hard, and I think
Speaker 1: hard work in this industry beats everything. And then beyond that,
Speaker 1: it's like the team that I surround myself with. We
Speaker 1: have an amazing team smart people above as smart advisors, UM,
Speaker 1: great relationships. So if I'm new into something or UM
Speaker 1: not as good at something like you know, boxing for example,
Speaker 1: it's how do we put ourselves around the best people
Speaker 1: to be able to make us the best in that
Speaker 1: category and teach us the most amount of ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the content that gets shared is the stuff that's making
Speaker 1: fun of people, Like whenever the whole monster meme thing
Speaker 1: happened where everybody was just making fun of me because
Speaker 1: of a clip in one interview which was explained very like,
Speaker 1: but there was a logical explanation for exactly everything that happened.
Speaker 1: But regardless of whether or not I hit the no,
Speaker 1: I didn't hit the note, I can sink, I can't
Speaker 1: sing whatever. There were these channels who are making videos
Speaker 1: who are like get a hundred thousand views of video maybe,
Speaker 1: and they were making these hate videos about me where
Speaker 1: they're saying I just can't sing and then making up
Speaker 1: musical terms that don't exist and then those videos are
Speaker 1: getting three million views on this channel that gets not
Speaker 1: that many views, So then that gets shared over and
Speaker 1: over and over and everybody's rallying in that. But then
Speaker 1: the same people once I put out Medicaid, we're making
Speaker 1: videos being like this song is amazing, like I think
Speaker 1: she's an actual artist and she really found her voice,
Speaker 1: and those have a hundred thousand views. Again, so nobody
Speaker 1: cares if somebody's doing great. Nobody cares if somebody's succeeding
Speaker 1: or creating something beautiful. They just want to join in
Speaker 1: on hating. And I don't know where that came from.
Speaker 1: It's a toxic mentality, but I think people like to
Speaker 1: see people who have it all have a bad day.
Speaker 1: And I think people thrive off of watching a train wreck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a weird thing. It's not even just watching
Speaker 1: a train wreck at this point though, it's celebrating a
Speaker 1: train wreck. That's what's so scary. It's really really scary.
Speaker 1: And those people who are posting those videos are getting
Speaker 1: celebrated for it. So what are they going to do?
Speaker 1: They're going to continue to find things Exactly why do
Speaker 1: you think that happened? Like it feels like a trend
Speaker 1: that's very new. I think so too. And that's what
Speaker 1: I've been trying to figure out because I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's just like who I am as a person.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see anybody upset, whether you fucked
Speaker 1: up really bad or not. Like when James Charles, like
Speaker 1: even when everything looked the worse for him, when I
Speaker 1: was like watching him be destroyed, I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if all of these allegations are true, that's horrible and
Speaker 1: he needs to be punished, and like you can remove
Speaker 1: your support, But why do you have to make a
Speaker 1: million videos about it? Why do you have to like
Speaker 1: try to rally the troops to everybody attack this person.
Speaker 1: To me, I just don't get it, Like where did
Speaker 1: it come from? I think it's a lot of people
Speaker 1: who have time on their hands. So happened? You know?
Speaker 1: That's that's a definite thing. Nobody's ever really publicly aired
Speaker 1: their grievances the way that people so freely air their
Speaker 1: grievances now, because before that, it's like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 1: friends with this person anymore. I'm just gonna stop filming
Speaker 1: with them. People are going to ask questions, and that's
Speaker 1: my business. I'm going to answer it. But now it's
Speaker 1: people coming out being like, these are everything that I
Speaker 1: don't like about this person, and then people have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to take a side, and then it's a fun
Speaker 1: game because that is kind of human nature, is just
Speaker 1: to find your wolf pack and the strongest survive, and
Speaker 1: we naturally gravitate into clicks on platforms of sixteen and
Speaker 1: a half million people, James had. Now there's very public,
Speaker 1: All right, what team are you on? It's so weird
Speaker 1: the way that it went on, from Totti being like
Speaker 1: I need to get this off my chest to him
Speaker 1: responding to other YouTubers taking sides. I genuinely felt bad
Speaker 1: for him. I feel bad for everybody involved, because the
Speaker 1: thing is I loved Totti. I think she's an amazing person.
Speaker 1: She's always been so kind to me. When I went
Speaker 1: to her launch party for Halo Beauty, she was giving
Speaker 1: her speech about her products, and she stopped her speech
Speaker 1: to be like, and I just want to talk about
Speaker 1: Gabby and her music, and I'm so proud of her, Like,
Speaker 1: this is unreal. This is your moment, this is your event.
Speaker 1: These people are here for you, and you're talking about
Speaker 1: my music. So I love Totti and I don't really
Speaker 1: have an opinion because I know there's so much information
Speaker 1: that's not out, and I know there's so many feelings involved. Okay,
Speaker 1: James Charles in one day lost a million subscribers, that
Speaker 1: is one six of his audience. He lost in one day,
Speaker 1: and then he put out a video and he gained
Speaker 1: a million subscribers back. And to me, it's just like,
Speaker 1: how can you guys flip flop your opinion so either
Speaker 1: that you're literally just clicking. I support he's canceled, just kidding,
Speaker 1: he's not, and I'm like, guys, come on, at least
Speaker 1: have an opinion. Don't just follow what everybody's telling you
Speaker 1: to do, because that's what it comes down to, is
Speaker 1: just this herd mentality of I want to do what's
Speaker 1: cool and right now. It's cool to hate James right now,
Speaker 1: it's cool to hate Totti right now, it's cool to
Speaker 1: hate Jeffrey, and it's just just support who you want
Speaker 1: and then be quiet about it, in my opinion, So
Speaker 1: I ended up meeting with the n R after the
Speaker 1: conference and he brought me to the studio flow heard
Speaker 1: me live on the piano as well. I didn't have
Speaker 1: any original music at the time because I was doing
Speaker 1: covers on YouTube and I think I had like five
Speaker 1: six thousand followers at that point. He signed me on
Speaker 1: the spot, and then two weeks later I was on
Speaker 1: tour with him, which was crazy. Was on tour with
Speaker 1: him for two years after that. It was the most
Speaker 1: influential time of my career. I think even when as
Speaker 1: I grow, I think that will still be the most
Speaker 1: influential time was being on tour with him because I
Speaker 1: literally learned I was his like guinea pig the entire tour,
Speaker 1: like I was his shadow. I was watching his interviews,
Speaker 1: his you know, performances, as rehearsals. I mean even in
Speaker 1: the studio, like when we had time off, I would
Speaker 1: be in l A with him as well, just in
Speaker 1: the studio with the whole team and watching you know
Speaker 1: him take meetings at Atlantic and like movie meetings, like
Speaker 1: behind the scenes stuff. And I was like, this is
Speaker 1: so crazy, Like it's literally preparing me for what It's
Speaker 1: just kind of priceless, Like you can't pay for that
Speaker 1: type of training, I feel like, and and he wasn't
Speaker 1: even considering it training, but in my head, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is like boot camp for me because he had
Speaker 1: made it and he were basically able to see every
Speaker 1: aspect of it, from media training and being able to
Speaker 1: do a proper interview to the amount of hours he
Speaker 1: probably put into rehearsal. What was a common misconception that
Speaker 1: maybe you had at the time something you thought about
Speaker 1: the music industry that after being with Flow change your
Speaker 1: perspective on it. I think it was his ability to
Speaker 1: always like be on. In my head, I didn't realize
Speaker 1: like when you are that known. He had just released
Speaker 1: My House and it went straight to number one, like
Speaker 1: at the time that I was on tour with him,
Speaker 1: So he always constantly had to be on like all
Speaker 1: the time. So when we were walking out in l a,
Speaker 1: like I would be in like sweats and like a
Speaker 1: sweatshirt and he would like be like, you have to
Speaker 1: go change because, like I'm going to tell you, like,
Speaker 1: this is not how you have to always be dressed
Speaker 1: looking ready like all the time. And it was true
Speaker 1: because every time, even when we were just trying to
Speaker 1: go for breakfast, like he was constantly being like stopped
Speaker 1: or you know, like taking meetings like in the middle
Speaker 1: of the day. It was just like stuff like that
Speaker 1: where I had no idea. I was like, I really,
Speaker 1: you know, you really need to be on at all times.
Speaker 1: In a way though, I do think it's important to
Speaker 1: be real with your audience as well though, But he
Speaker 1: was definitely a really like nope person to be around
Speaker 1: when you know, he was like constantly being pulled and
Speaker 1: pushed in different directions, but he always was like dressed
Speaker 1: ready to go all the time. The industry of like
Speaker 1: YouTube has a ceiling, has a ceiling. For sure, you
Speaker 1: can only get to a certain point. YouTube starts to
Speaker 1: limit your views. YouTube starts to limit like how many
Speaker 1: people your video is getting pushed out to. When you
Speaker 1: get to a certain point after two years, like YouTube
Speaker 1: wants to just like put on the next creator. They're
Speaker 1: kind of in control of everything when and there's a ceiling.
Speaker 1: My brother and I have reached that ceiling, and we're
Speaker 1: at the ceiling, and it's like, come on, let us
Speaker 1: up through. And you think you're at the ceiling right now.
Speaker 1: You're still getting a lot of views, for sure, but
Speaker 1: the most out of us possible. But as far as
Speaker 1: like excelling, you're already at the top. You're saying, so
Speaker 1: where where else could you go exact too. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a dead end. What am I gonna do vlog
Speaker 1: every single day and just keep on making videos and
Speaker 1: keep on getting views, and like, yes, my fan base
Speaker 1: will grow, but like when does that end? When does
Speaker 1: it end for you? I think it already has. I
Speaker 1: think like I've definitely like pulled myself away from YouTube
Speaker 1: in the past six months, you know, And I still
Speaker 1: I love making videos. I'll always make videos, but I
Speaker 1: think there's a difference between being a YouTuber and like
Speaker 1: I post on Tuesdays and Thursdays and Sundays and I
Speaker 1: post every other day, Like that's being a YouTuber versus
Speaker 1: you kind of just make videos when you want. The
Speaker 1: videos I'm currently making there just a lot higher production
Speaker 1: and I want them to be as best as they
Speaker 1: possibly can be. I think a lot of YouTubers like
Speaker 1: cut corners and their videos now and they just like
Speaker 1: kind of post whenever. I'm just over that cycle and
Speaker 1: that doesn't excite me anymore. I want to make like
Speaker 1: really high quality content. YouTube is great, and I'll always
Speaker 1: do it, but it's like, what is like, what are
Speaker 1: the big YouTubers now? They're just they're just gonna keep
Speaker 1: on making videos unless there's some smart ones, you know,
Speaker 1: who branch out and are building businesses. But that's like
Speaker 1: two people that I know of, and the rest of
Speaker 1: it is just like they're just gonna die on YouTube.
Speaker 1: They're just they're just gonna keep on going and going
Speaker 1: and going and making videos until people just don't care anymore.
Speaker 1: And to me, it's like I'm not only bored with
Speaker 1: the platform and like making the videos, but I'm bored
Speaker 1: with making videos like consistently, like when I like need
Speaker 1: to upload at a certain time and a certain uncertain
Speaker 1: days and push push push and forced content out on
Speaker 1: board of that, I think it's like I don't want
Speaker 1: to like be that person that dies on the platform,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of YouTubers do and they
Speaker 1: don't even realize it, and then they try to like
Speaker 1: come back and hate on the new people. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been through different situations like this, but that last
Speaker 1: one was the first time I've ever seen subscriber loss
Speaker 1: and people for people who don't know what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: the monster me, yeah, But then it became more from that.
Speaker 1: So it started with I did an interview with Genius
Speaker 1: and then they did some weird cut with the audio,
Speaker 1: and then people made it into a meme. You were singing,
Speaker 1: I actually really like thank you. I still love that song.
Speaker 1: I'll always love it very much. It just got memed
Speaker 1: over and over and over and went insanely viral, which
Speaker 1: was fine. I think there's funnier memes. Like there was
Speaker 1: some that were like, so genuinely hilarious, and then some
Speaker 1: were just like, I'm like, how does this have this
Speaker 1: many views? I'm abused, but um yeah. It was fine
Speaker 1: and it was just a joke. But then once my
Speaker 1: face became clickable, then it became people starting rumors and
Speaker 1: pulling things up where I'm bullying my fans. I'm scamming
Speaker 1: my fans. I am capitalizing on mental illness for my
Speaker 1: own profit, and I don't actually care about depression. I
Speaker 1: just talked about it for money. It is scam my young,
Speaker 1: vulnerable fans. I'm just like, come on, guys like you.
Speaker 1: Guys loved me in August. In August, everybody who was
Speaker 1: rallying behind me because I was the underdog who had
Speaker 1: the number one song on iTunes and number two at
Speaker 1: the same time. It was like massive, And then I
Speaker 1: got a little bit too big, and then people wanted
Speaker 1: to tear me down. So then your face is clickable,
Speaker 1: and now it's just what story can I spend with her?
Speaker 1: And I hear my name coming up in context that
Speaker 1: I don't them belonging, but they know that if they
Speaker 1: say my name, they can put it in a thumbnail.
Speaker 1: You know, on one hand, I really am that bitch, huh,
Speaker 1: But like, like, on the other hand, come on, like
Speaker 1: I'm a human and let me live. My contract just ended.
Speaker 1: It was a mutual thing. He was an artist and
Speaker 1: you know, had to do his own thing. Was just
Speaker 1: so busy, and I was like, I just really need
Speaker 1: to focus on my stuff. I learned so much from
Speaker 1: him and that experience. You know, a lot of things
Speaker 1: in between as well. There were good times, bad times,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, I feel like
Speaker 1: I learned so much from that situation. I ended up
Speaker 1: moving on. Was it independent for like a year and
Speaker 1: a half after that, um, And that's when I met you, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: So I finally got to release my own music. It
Speaker 1: was crazy because that through that whole deal, I hadn't
Speaker 1: released anything, which was really frustrating for me. I was
Speaker 1: learning so much and I felt you know, like I
Speaker 1: was on tour touring Wembley Stadium, like the biggest crowds
Speaker 1: I've ever been in front of ever, and I just
Speaker 1: hadn't released anything, and I was still feeling like I
Speaker 1: hadn't shown or gotten to prove myself to anyone. Not
Speaker 1: that that was the goal, but I just was feeling
Speaker 1: like I needed to speak my mind. And that's frustrating.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially you, it's your passion to be an artist,
Speaker 1: and you're of course you're learning and it's invaluable, but
Speaker 1: you're seeing someone else put content out and music out
Speaker 1: and you're just like, I want to do that too, exactly. So.
Speaker 1: And then even the artists we were doing shows with
Speaker 1: it was like up and coming artists as well, and
Speaker 1: you know he was also watching, you know, the way
Speaker 1: that they were doing things as well for my career
Speaker 1: as well. So so yeah, after that, was independent for
Speaker 1: a while, released my own music, you know, through my
Speaker 1: channel and stuff. I ended up petting like a million
Speaker 1: subs during that point. That's that's crazy, by the way,
Speaker 1: to have a million subscribers, It's really hard to get
Speaker 1: to that point on YouTube. I feel like that's the
Speaker 1: threshold once you hit a million, It's like, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: legitimately you have a presence on YouTube. How was that
Speaker 1: for you? Well, I mean it took all that time,
Speaker 1: from like when I was in Atlanta all the way
Speaker 1: until the beginning of this year. What do you think
Speaker 1: helps your YouTube channel grow? What was there a spike
Speaker 1: in growth? It wasn't a slow and steady climb. It
Speaker 1: was a slow and steady climb. Like there was no
Speaker 1: like of course there were like the viral cover videos
Speaker 1: and like, because my main content was cover music. It
Speaker 1: was always the main source of content was music, which
Speaker 1: I'm really proud that I stuck with that, like my
Speaker 1: entire YouTube career, because now I'm like, they're wanting original
Speaker 1: stuff because of the renditions that I would make, they
Speaker 1: were so different from the originals. They almost sounded like
Speaker 1: they totally different. So they're like, we need the original stuff.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's hard for cover artists to stray away
Speaker 1: from covers because the audience is so used to hearing
Speaker 1: renditions of songs and stuff. But luckily my audience was like,
Speaker 1: so for me, putting out original content music is like
Speaker 1: huge for me. Love. I love music, I love making music,
Speaker 1: I love the music industry just in general, and it
Speaker 1: was kind of something like it was. It's kind of
Speaker 1: weird for me because I grew up listening to like
Speaker 1: rap all the time, and listening to the Little Wayne
Speaker 1: and Drake and like watching the Little Wayne documentary without
Speaker 1: my mom's permission because she didn't want me to see
Speaker 1: it because like he was a bad influence and did
Speaker 1: drugs and all this stuff. So I've always like loved music,
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, I never thought that I could
Speaker 1: do it, and then got sucked in Divine and Disney
Speaker 1: and YouTube and building businesses and so on and so forth,
Speaker 1: and I did music like YouTube music like every day
Speaker 1: bro and like comedy songs and just like joking around.
Speaker 1: But then when I sat down one day and I
Speaker 1: was like, I went in the studio and I was
Speaker 1: like actually trying to make a good like song. It
Speaker 1: turned out good, and I realized that, wait, I can
Speaker 1: do this and like take it seriously and I'm good
Speaker 1: at it and I'm good at writing. That was like
Speaker 1: a huge eye opener for me, and I think I
Speaker 1: had to grow as an individual and kind of grow
Speaker 1: off of just being a YouTuber to fully believe in
Speaker 1: myself to the point where like now I know I'm
Speaker 1: a good musician and great artists, and I have a
Speaker 1: dope team of people that I can work with in
Speaker 1: the music space to be able to launch into the
Speaker 1: music space and actually be taken seriously. You mean for
Speaker 1: real launch into the music space. You know, the music
Speaker 1: industry is like the hardest industry to break into, more
Speaker 1: than anything I think. I actually think a lot of
Speaker 1: YouTubers become introverts. Yeah, well a lot of them start
Speaker 1: off that way because I've always been shy. But it's
Speaker 1: when you start, first of all, exhausting so much energy
Speaker 1: for the public in very short periods of time, Like
Speaker 1: if you go on a tour and you meet, you know,
Speaker 1: six people a day for a month straight, you stop
Speaker 1: wanting to talk to people because that's what you do
Speaker 1: for a living. But also you start getting a little paranoid,
Speaker 1: Like if you're out in public and I'm at a
Speaker 1: bar and I know that a lot of my audience
Speaker 1: is over twenty one, so I know that there could
Speaker 1: be people watching, right, and then just fearing judgment and
Speaker 1: then just having been attacked so many times, you start
Speaker 1: to feel more insecure and you start kind of hiding
Speaker 1: within yourself. I've always been shy, but I definitely got
Speaker 1: more shy and introverted after the Internet. That's the thing
Speaker 1: about judging people online too, is you're just seeing these
Speaker 1: snippets of essentially a character that you're putting on. Because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if I sat and
Speaker 1: did full length YouTube videos at my regular energy level, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people like it, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: but not the amount of people who are like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is an interesting charismatic person, because once you get
Speaker 1: to know me, it's fun to sit and watch me
Speaker 1: be chill like That's what my Patreon is is me
Speaker 1: just talking very normally to them like this. If you're
Speaker 1: trying to get people to remember you, you can't just
Speaker 1: be a chill person. The biggest adjustment I think was
Speaker 1: really being open to other people's opinions on things. When
Speaker 1: I was independent, it was like me and my management
Speaker 1: R and R, who have been with me forever, us discussing,
Speaker 1: you know, what I wanted, and then now it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well I have to Now I have a team which
Speaker 1: I value so much and love and respect. Now it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well we want to try this and do this and
Speaker 1: do this, and then I'll oversee it and I'll make
Speaker 1: a couple of comments and stuff, and that was that
Speaker 1: was kind of the biggest adjustment I think was really
Speaker 1: having so many people, you know, so many cooks in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, but like I definitely they let me have
Speaker 1: the final say of things. But I'm just I think
Speaker 1: that was the biggest adjustment, was having a lot of
Speaker 1: other people involved, which is an amazing thing. I'm still like,
Speaker 1: I'm still figuring it out. Like that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm green in the music industry. I'm just sorry now
Speaker 1: I'm still learning about it. I'm learning, like I'm figuring
Speaker 1: out that strategy to come into it. And I'm being
Speaker 1: patient as well, because I don't think it's something to rush.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people I put music out,
Speaker 1: put music out, Oh the song is this songs? Dope?
Speaker 1: But I really want to have a button up strategy
Speaker 1: and and the right like the perfect team in place
Speaker 1: so that when it goes, it goes. And I think
Speaker 1: I have the capability to do that. I know I
Speaker 1: have the capable. You have the eyeballs, that's for sure,
Speaker 1: and you definitely have the people that are going to
Speaker 1: look at what you're doing. That's what it comes down
Speaker 1: to at the end of the day. You asked earlier,
Speaker 1: like what's the strategy or whatever. What it all boils
Speaker 1: onto is like the music being good. They really have
Speaker 1: to be like, wait, who is this? If they're just
Speaker 1: listening for the first like, wait, who is this? I
Speaker 1: think I'm sure you've heard some renditions of what you've
Speaker 1: worked on. If somebody did not know that it was you,
Speaker 1: would they know it's you? They wouldn't know based on
Speaker 1: like the tone, the sound exactly. Yeah, I so my
Speaker 1: what I have, like some of my friends do, because
Speaker 1: they're almost some of the friends that like help me
Speaker 1: with the music or the producers or whatever that Like,
Speaker 1: after I make a song, they will go and play it.
Speaker 1: They'll play it for their friends and just like have
Speaker 1: it on in the studio and they're other like friends
Speaker 1: or pop friends or whatever. They'll be like jamming to it,
Speaker 1: and then they'll be like, Yo, that was Jake Paul
Speaker 1: and everyone will be like what, like, no, that's not
Speaker 1: that's not Like, no, it's not I don't believe you, bro,
Speaker 1: I don't believe you. And they'll be like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: is and they'll play it again and the big wow,
Speaker 1: that's good. Like whenever the whole monster thing happened, I
Speaker 1: knew that that was the universe giving me a sign
Speaker 1: that I needed. I don't belong in YouTube anymore. This
Speaker 1: isn't my platform, this isn't where I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 1: And I was still doing really really well and growing
Speaker 1: very quickly on YouTube. So the universe said, stop, why
Speaker 1: aren't you writing music? And why aren't you writing the
Speaker 1: music you're supposed to be writing. So there was this
Speaker 1: big scandal where I can't sing and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and it forced me to write my best song yet
Speaker 1: at the time, which was Medicaid, which was very like
Speaker 1: respected and a lot of people in the community talked
Speaker 1: about it as if like this, she's a real artist. Now.
Speaker 1: That's when people said that, and that song would have
Speaker 1: never happened if I wouldn't have been too hurt by
Speaker 1: YouTube to even open the app. I couldn't even open
Speaker 1: it because it was so painful. So I wrote and
Speaker 1: then after I put that out, I said, why the
Speaker 1: funk am I not writing music? And then I wrote
Speaker 1: A Holy Pie And now here we are. So I've
Speaker 1: been working with a lot of great producers, one of
Speaker 1: which is boy Wanda. We're great friends and that's like
Speaker 1: how the relationship started. And he's been kind of like
Speaker 1: helping me out, giving me advice, sending me like beats
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, which is which is really dope
Speaker 1: because he's done countless amount of hits from Drake's God's
Speaker 1: Plan to like started from the bottom. He's been with
Speaker 1: Drake is a whole career. Drake is like my biggest
Speaker 1: inspiration in the music space. So that's really awesome to
Speaker 1: be able to work with him. And I'm so lucky
Speaker 1: and fortunate to work with him and have a song
Speaker 1: with a couple of different artists, one of which is
Speaker 1: n Ellie Choppa. He's blowing up in the rap industry
Speaker 1: right now. Again, same thing. We were friends, like everything
Speaker 1: started friends. We made a song together, we shot the
Speaker 1: music video. So I think that might be the song
Speaker 1: that I dropped November eighth, but I might. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a couple of songs. I'm just trying to figure
Speaker 1: out like which one to drop in like which order.
Speaker 1: And also, like the thing about it for me is
Speaker 1: I'm very competitive and I'm very judgmental of myself and
Speaker 1: so I'll make a song and I'm like, I love
Speaker 1: that song. I love that song so much, and then
Speaker 1: two weeks later, I'm like, I can do better. Is
Speaker 1: that the constant problem with you? Though? You can always
Speaker 1: do better? Right? So you probably have that issue in
Speaker 1: every area of your life. So you just have to
Speaker 1: drop the song right now right now. I am very
Speaker 1: hands on with my visuals. I came from the video world.
Speaker 1: I felt like I literally went through school just by
Speaker 1: like being a YouTuber because you learned so much about
Speaker 1: editing and and audio and visuals and like different like
Speaker 1: hidden things and videos, and it's just it's it's a
Speaker 1: really cool thing to go through as a YouTuber. So
Speaker 1: when it comes to my original stuff, I am very
Speaker 1: very hands on the creative process. So you already have
Speaker 1: all these people ready for your EP, excited for your EP.
Speaker 1: What can they expect from your music? Is it going
Speaker 1: to be Is it going to be the same type
Speaker 1: of music you've released in the past. Is there some evolution,
Speaker 1: cultures evolution? I hope that there's always evolution in my work,
Speaker 1: but I would say that this is more so in
Speaker 1: the vein of Medicaid, where it's not as punk. The
Speaker 1: first track is a little bit punk rocky. It's kind
Speaker 1: of Marina and the Diamonds vibes, actually, I would say,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of alternative pop. But it really tells
Speaker 1: a full cohesive story. And I sent it to a
Speaker 1: lot of my producer friends and writer friends and just
Speaker 1: general friends, and they said, this is a body of work.
Speaker 1: This tells a full story from beginning to end. And
Speaker 1: then it's hard to do and I'm so proud of you,
Speaker 1: and that is what I wanted to hear. Every song
Speaker 1: is connected, Every single song tells the story. And then
Speaker 1: I put interstitials of real voicemails of my X and
Speaker 1: I crying to each other in between the tracks to
Speaker 1: lead into so it's literally like, this is what happened.
Speaker 1: This is what we were saying to each other, and
Speaker 1: then I wrote this song. This is what happened, this
Speaker 1: is what we said, and then I wrote this song.
Speaker 1: It's hard to listen to a little bit. It's weird though,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I get numb to it a little
Speaker 1: bit because I'm like listening to my ex say I'm
Speaker 1: sorry and I love you, and then I'm listening to
Speaker 1: myself crying saying I'm so fucking exhausted, and then to
Speaker 1: me it's like, oh, I'm creating art. And then once
Speaker 1: it's finished and you're done working on it, and then
Speaker 1: you listen to it back as a full body of
Speaker 1: work and the deadlines are over and everything, it punches
Speaker 1: you in the mouth and you're just like, oh my God,
Speaker 1: like that really happened. That really happened, and my heart
Speaker 1: is broken. You go a spiral again. Oh wow, that
Speaker 1: sounds like worth the weight. I want to use my
Speaker 1: brand in that I grow through music to do other things.
Speaker 1: So it's like, if if a deal makes sense, then
Speaker 1: a deal makes sense. I don't even want to ask
Speaker 1: you what your b all end all is because I
Speaker 1: don't think that there is a be all end all
Speaker 1: for you. I think from what I'm hearing, you've built
Speaker 1: an empire and you're just going to continue to do that.
Speaker 1: Is that kind of the game plan for you? Just
Speaker 1: like anything that you can do to just continue to
Speaker 1: build the Jake Paul Empire and whatever is happening in
Speaker 1: the time in your life, and you're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: passionate about this, I'm gonna go do this. Would you
Speaker 1: say that's true? Yeah, for sure, you don't have like
Speaker 1: an endgame. Like four years ago, if you asked me
Speaker 1: where I was going to be four years or not,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, yo, I've got tattoos all over
Speaker 1: my body and I'm I'm a professional fighter. I would
Speaker 1: have never said that, you know. So it's like, I
Speaker 1: can't really predict where the future is. But why I
Speaker 1: do this, Why I am on this planet, and why
Speaker 1: I wake up every single day to do this entertainment industry,
Speaker 1: and why I have such a thick skin, and why
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk that Nikita Dragons talking shipped
Speaker 1: to me on Instagram or whatever it is, like, is
Speaker 1: because I'm doing this to die a legend. One piece
Speaker 1: of advice that you would give Gabby ten years ago,
Speaker 1: make your tragedy as a work of art. Baby, Just
Speaker 1: keep embracing that pain because it's going to be really
Speaker 1: helpful later. I think it's I think you're doing that
Speaker 1: right now. It's working, But I just wish she knew
Speaker 1: a little bit sooner. I think that's everybody though. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a really good piece of advice. And I
Speaker 1: guess I'll just ask one because I love advice. Piece
Speaker 1: of advice for somebody who wants to follow in your footsteps. Oh,
Speaker 1: just really just do you, you know, and be authentic,
Speaker 1: which is such a corny thing to say, but it's
Speaker 1: honestly so true. When you look at the people who
Speaker 1: really make a mark on society or art or culture,
Speaker 1: it's the people who are truly authentically themselves. And whether
Speaker 1: you make it big or you don't, you can be
Speaker 1: really proud of the stuff that you've created and you're
Speaker 1: going to touch somebody and just worry about that. Don't
Speaker 1: worry about the fame or the money. If if it's
Speaker 1: meant to be, that will happen. But if that's your focus,
Speaker 1: you'll never get there. Love it, love it. Write a
Speaker 1: book next. I have one. Oh it's my coltry book
Speaker 1: Adult Lessons, available now in Barnes and Noble Target. I
Speaker 1: gotta go to Barnes. I would have brought you one. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: but yeah, make sure you come back every time you,
Speaker 1: you know, release a book, write a movie. Absolutely feel
Speaker 1: like you're doing big things. I'm excited to know you're there.
Speaker 1: They can find the EP. It's called two a Mirror
Speaker 1: and it's everywhere. It's on every streaming platform and the
Speaker 1: music videos will be on my YouTube channel and just
Speaker 1: you'll find it. So if you could win a world
Speaker 1: title or you could get a Grammy for music, I
Speaker 1: want to dive deep into like which one you would
Speaker 1: pick and why? I think a Grammy from music? I
Speaker 1: think that's would you quit it all for music? Like?
Speaker 1: Would you? Would you quit everything for music and not
Speaker 1: do anything else? That's the goal? I think? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: just be an artist. Yeah, that's the goal for sure.
Speaker 1: I think there's like these are stepping stones to doing that.
Speaker 1: I would never guess that about you. I wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't quit like business, no businesses in your blood. I
Speaker 1: think you'll always be a mogul, right, And I think
Speaker 1: I read somewhere that you wanted to be the first
Speaker 1: YouTuber to make a billion dollars. How close are we
Speaker 1: ten dollars ten dollars having tomorrow? No, not that close.
Speaker 1: I mean I meet people who are like, I'm a millionaire.
Speaker 1: Then you meet people who are like, I'm a multimillionaire,
Speaker 1: and then you meet people who are like, I'm a billion.
Speaker 1: Clubs totally different. I'm a billion it's completely different. You
Speaker 1: meet a one hundred millionaire and it's like so different
Speaker 1: from meeting a billionaire. Guys. I hope you enjoyed this interview.
Speaker 1: I shared it well before we leave, I do want
Speaker 1: to say I literally met you, like what was it
Speaker 1: like two years ago or something like half ago, and
Speaker 1: like your support by not even knowing me that well,
Speaker 1: Like it's so real, and like I just appreciate you
Speaker 1: so much, and like you're like one of the like
Speaker 1: literally like the like one of my favorite radio hosts,
Speaker 1: and like, to be honest, like not a lot of
Speaker 1: people will like hop on the bandwagon and be like
Speaker 1: I'm here to support you, and I feel, oh, I
Speaker 1: not only hop on I bully people. I was bullying
Speaker 1: a big ep at I heart radio to play your ship,
Speaker 1: like straight up, like you are just so like supportive
Speaker 1: of my career and you don't even know me that well.
Speaker 1: It's just like this is so real, Like I just
Speaker 1: love it, and you can I feel your vibe and like, well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something about your vibe, honey. The
Speaker 1: reason I support you is because not only are you
Speaker 1: talent is talented people are everywhere, but you have something
Speaker 1: that I hope people can look up to and aspire
Speaker 1: to you, like because you work hard. Is are we
Speaker 1: going to like wear the tissues? You work hard. You're
Speaker 1: really talented, and I think you have a really good
Speaker 1: head on your shoulders and you're not above the work
Speaker 1: like you put the work in. So I want you
Speaker 1: to get the fifty Grammys that we talk about because
Speaker 1: they're going to and anyway that I can support you,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, doing some kind of weird ship
Speaker 1: with this computer that's in front of me and making
Speaker 1: sure that every song he thinks he's playing is not
Speaker 1: actually what it is, but it's your song. I will
Speaker 1: figure it out. I'll make it happen. But you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to come back. I love to what you know.
Speaker 1: When you win the Grammy, don't forget us. I would
Speaker 1: never I have your number. I always go to remember
Speaker 1: you as the person you said I would win a Grammy.
Speaker 1: You're going to literally mark my words. Somebody keep this
Speaker 1: clip in the future, somebody. When I want a Grammy,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say thank you to my heart and Tatiana.
Speaker 1: And when I'm in the front row with the Grammy,
Speaker 1: I'll come up and I'm like, so thank you, guys,
Speaker 1: it's really because of me. I'll take all the cred Jake.
Speaker 1: It was so fun having you on today. I feel like,
Speaker 1: literally we didn't even crack the surface. I just want
Speaker 1: to say, when you dropped that music, please let us know.
Speaker 1: We'll play it on my heart, right, Brian will play
Speaker 1: it on my heart. Okay, he just said it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna play it on all right, let's do it. Behind
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