WEBVTT - Designed by… Kara Saun 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.560 Thank you everybody for joining us with this Park Copper 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:18.959 episode of Magical rewind We got a special one today, 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:20.520 as we always say, but it's true because these are 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.639 some of my favorites. We have interviewed a lot of 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:27.000 actors on this version of our show, on this feed 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:28.560 of our show, which is something we love to do. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:30.960 But I'm always excited when we get somebody who's kind 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:31.960 of behind the scenes. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.440 So behind the scenes of the real deal, Yes, the 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:35.839 real deal. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:37.600 They know what's going on, they know where the bodies 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.080 are buried, but they also help to make everything look amazing. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.960 And our guest today is certainly no exception, as a 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.000 matter of fact, responsible for making. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.120 A lot of the beautiful beautiful, which is really cool. 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.000 And kind of hard to do sometimes, right. 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.280 Oh, amazingly hard to do, are you kidding? 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.320 Because you sometimes get very little credit and you have 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.760 to deal with all of us actors who are the worst. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:00.760 So thank you. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.360 But yes, we have somebody pretty amazing today who helped 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.400 put a lot of the famous people from the Disney 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.760 Channel in the outfits that they wear and design them herself. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:24.360 Please help us welcome, well, I should say, Sabrina's friend Carason, Oh. 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.400 Thank you, jou. 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:24.600 This is so cool. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.520 Oh my gosh, this is so cool to see you again. 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:29.920 I have not seen you. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:32.720 Decades. 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:38.679 Yeah, hello, Okay, two thousand and eight means it one decade? 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:42.560 Ye, I can't. I can't do two decades. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:44.200 Yeah, no, thank you. 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:46.280 It's more than a decade and a half if we're 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:46.960 actually doing the math. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.880 But we don't listen to wealth math ever. No, yesterday, 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:53.960 Phillia eighteen years. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.960 Oh it's such a circle moment. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.280 Yes are you? 0:01:58.560 --> 0:01:59.480 How are you doing? 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.440 Well? Obviously killing it? 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.600 How are you doing? And congratulations? Thank you for having me. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.000 This is awesome, thank you for coming. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.280 First of all, bye, by far, already best overall. Look 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.160 with the background and other things, background and what you're 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.280 and you're fit and all that stuff. So yeah, you've 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.760 already won. You already won magical rewind So that's awesome. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.080 I got to start with the beginning. When did you 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:28.520 first find your Because I famously have no fashion sense whatsoever. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.640 People have been dressing me since I was nine or 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:31.480 ten years old, So. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:36.840 Yeah, where did you first find your love of this world? 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:37.440 How old were you? 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.360 I mean when you were in elementary school? Were you 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.360 already designing clothes, Like, where did this start? 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.480 I was, First of all, I was an Air Force brat. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.040 I was born in Germany. We traveled the world, so 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.800 we lived in the Philippines and all these different Wow. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:54.000 My mom was literally the Diana Ross of the Air 0:02:54.040 --> 0:03:01.040 Force base, like the Bufont the Bangs, And so I 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.400 just grew up with my grandmother and my mother in 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.360 fashion shows. And my mom used to make all my 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.280 clothes and all my sister's clothes, and so I kind 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.240 of grew up in that world. And I always loved fashion. 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.959 I always loved design. And you know, in high school, 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.080 they bought me a sewing machine a junior high and it. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:18.600 Was off from there. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.960 And literally I was designing clothes for kids in my 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:28.840 school and selling them in school. What Yes, they hired 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.880 a high schooler to design and make the cheerleading univer 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.160 for the school. That was my first big gig was 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:37.880 in high school. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.880 Are you serious? Wait? By this point, were you still 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:42.840 on a base. I'm from a military family too, but 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.560 we didn't have to move around. Yeah, we didn't have 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:45.080 to move around. 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.080 We were My dad was in Connecticut, where I was 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:49.640 born and raised, at the naval base there at the 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:50.640 sub base there Fu. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.280 No, I didn't have to move. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.120 Around, but were you were you in one specific spot 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:55.680 by this point? 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.080 Are we still popping around? 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.360 We had? We had uh, we had just moved from 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.680 the Philippines. We ended up moving to. Our last space 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.400 was in South Carolina, which is where I went to 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:06.000 high school. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.800 Okay, and I it just. 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.040 Like literally they were like, hey, you know you have 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.960 home economics. They're like, make this one wrap skirt and 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:18.200 like the a full three piece outfit, and then the 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.279 kids were buying these denim outfits from me. I was 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.320 doing all the fashion shows in the school. They just 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.160 had me do everything, like I have to say, like 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.800 you know, for my my my mother who was my 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.960 biggest and my father was my biggest fan, like driving 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.520 me all over the world to go to fashion shows. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.839 It was just something that I kind of always did. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.360 And you know, I was making clothes for my sisters, 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:46.120 my mom, my brother Uh you know, my brothers would 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.680 be my models. Like I'm like, put the shirt on. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.400 So was this already then in your mind? 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.440 Was this already this is what I'm going to do 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:56.760 with my life or was I'm having fun. 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.040 So over I was the fashion editor, I was you know. 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.480 I was also oddly a jock at the same time, 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:09.560 so I was like softball based, softball, basketball cheerleader at 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.680 the same time I was doing all this fashion stuff. 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.520 I was doing it all, okay, But what what age 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:14.920 were you? 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:15.240 Like? 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:16.480 This is it? 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:17.400 Hi? 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.440 It was junior high? 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:21.880 Are you trying to like what like twelve? 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:26.880 Yeah, like junior high? Were we living a sketch and 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.720 we had a tailor and he would just make all 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:35.280 these skits for us and it was just awesome when you. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:36.440 Were young like that. Were you? 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.560 I'm sure you this might have been happening as you 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.680 as you got older and were doing more of the 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.880 we'll get into the project runway and all that kind 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.120 of stuff. But even when you were younger, were you 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.680 taking cultural aspects from the places that you were going, 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.360 like living, and putting them in I tell. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.800 People like travel is so important and well just understanding 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.760 other cultures, and I think you know and under you know, 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.600 all the projects that I do, I do research and 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.000 that's what I start with. And so like when I 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.159 used to live in the Philippines, like we traveled to 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.919 Manila and Stupic Bay and all these places, and I 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.800 wanted I always wanted to go into the city, like 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:17.200 into the town. How are people living? How My family's 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:18.560 gonna hate to hear me say this, but I used 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.760 to climb up this water tower and sit at the 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.440 top of a water tower and I could see over 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.000 this like ravine and they would just be out and 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.000 with fires and just now. I would just sit there 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.560 for hours and just watch, you know, other people and 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.080 how they lived in the fabrics and the smells of 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.359 the Philippines. That was one of my favorite places to live. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:41.040 Ever. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.719 You're like, you're like the most adventurous person ever, and 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.560 like I want to go have lunch with you because 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.960 I need like a whole day to hear this life story. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.880 This is so amazing and. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.120 The fact that you're bringing all of that aspect into 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:00.000 your arm. 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:06.440 Yes, that's what like as a fashion for a gum, 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.800 but because I have a nonprofit, that's really what I 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.640 want to teach kids, Like all cultures one tribe. Like 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.600 we all come from different places, but we're all one tribe. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.800 I bring that into everything. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:23.000 Yeah, I even one tribe. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.800 Yes, even with you know descendants, Anything I did, it 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.720 was all and this is you know coming from if 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.040 you are from a military family, like my father, It's 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.680 all about integrity, it's all about loyalty. It's a family. 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.480 You never leave a child behind, You never leave a 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.320 man behind. But in my family, you never leave a 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:42.200 child behind. So we were just doing this forever and 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.680 you bring that into every job that you do. And 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.360 so now that things are coming full circle, like with you, 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.400 you're not going to believe who I'm working with right now, 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:53.480 Sabrina Amy Tinkham. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:55.280 Well, for what project? 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:57.200 Here? 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:58.360 Can we not talk about it? 0:07:58.880 --> 0:07:59.000 No? 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:00.480 Are you gonna give the tea? 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.960 I will tell you this. She was so wild when 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.120 I said I was coming to talk to you today. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.000 I tells her that I want to talk to her. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:09.040 We have to talk to her. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.280 Yeah, you have to talk to her, because here's how 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:19.120 things always come back around. Amy just literally directed the 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.160 Descendants in Zombie's World tour. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.440 She's a tour director. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.480 Yeah, you know, I was on the Girls tour with 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:31.480 eight Okay, okay, connected recently because I'm in what I'm doing, 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.360 I'm like, I need all my world builders. We're my 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.560 world builders. Yes, And you know we were talking. She 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.760 was talking about the Descendant's tour and she said, you 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.600 know what caras on she goes, I can see the 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.160 influence that you had. She said, because someone said come 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.800 out and look at the audience, and in the audience 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.800 are twenty and twenty five. She thought it was going 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.400 to be a bunch of kids like there. Yeah, no, no, 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.680 it's twenty twenty five year old cost Police. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:56.959 Now we're not looking at that seven to eight year 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:57.559 olds anymore. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.080 And so so it's so great to know, like, and 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.320 I'm sure you feel it this way with Cheetah Girls, 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.240 that you had a part in something so iconic that 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.960 today it's still go back and adults still go back 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.559 and they're just like, oh my god, I'm really it. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.640 Mattered to a whole generation of people, which is yeah, 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.920 really cool. Okay, So you're out of high school, you 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:24.000 go to Rutgers. Are you going specifically for design? 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.679 Yes? Or for communications? 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:31.600 Okay, yes, because there's gotta be a be Your parents are, yeah, 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:32.280 thank you. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.440 You cannot just go for here? Are you have to 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.280 have an option B plan? 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:37.720 Yep? 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:38.800 And I was. 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.840 PR and advertising at Chapman University. 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.320 Okay, So while you're in Rutgers you're studying communication because 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.440 you're right, plan be very important for everybody. Are you 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.679 still designing kind of in your free time or no, not. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.400 Only am I designing, I'm designing every day. I was like, 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.199 you know how you have the house mom of the dormitory. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.280 I was awesome, but I was doing all all these 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.360 fun things like I would have a sale for spring break, 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.600 and then I was always designing. Everybody knew what I did. 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.200 And I have to thank my parents for literally saying 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.679 I need you to get this degree, because instead of 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.360 going to Parsons or f I T where everybody was 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:20.800 a designer, I would write it was the only designer. Yeah, 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.760 I was designing for everybody. And then on the weekends 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.600 I would go and I would travel. I take the 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.240 train into New York and I started selling my designs 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.720 and Soho, like I would. I was always designing. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.120 Where would you go? Would you go into a shop 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.000 and say, hay Fields. 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.360 I went to so My first designs were sold to 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.559 a shop in Soho called LaRue Derives, and I would 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.760 just go in and I remember the owner saying how 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.000 did you track? Like how did this even happen? Because 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:49.800 it was just like I would just had my pieces 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.800 and I would do photo shoots with the girls at 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:56.520 campus who were models, by, you know, on the train, 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.160 and that was that was the best lesson in no 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.920 matter where you are and what you want to do, 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.520 go in the direction of which you were going. I 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.960 was always going to be a designer. I took French classes, 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.000 forever knowing I was going to end up in Paris, 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.240 you know, And so it was just I was always designing, 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.160 and everybody was always to supported. The Deltas would hire 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.520 me for their things, I would do fashion shows. I 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.600 always always designing. But honestly I loved it for pr 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.480 for what you do. It's great to have communications because 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.480 then were things I could always present it in a 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.720 certain way in communications, and so it really kind of 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:38.120 worked out that I that I went to school for communications. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.439 Yeah. Yeah, Now I'm so curious. 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.400 I'm always I'm always curious when it comes to stuff 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.920 like this, Do you still have any of the original 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.720 pieces you've made, like in college? Could you go and 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.920 actually find something you designed when you were fourteen sixteen 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:51.400 kind of thing. 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:56.240 My mother has kept everything my other bless her soul, 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.800 she is transcended, but she was my biggest fam my 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:03.760 biggest support of Cheerly. She literally kept everything between her 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.319 and one of my sisters. They have it in their closets. 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:11.720 So I wow, I have warehouses of from all the 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.680 projects that I've ever worked on. I still have, you know, 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.719 a closet of pieces of things. 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.559 Okay, so you're in you're in college. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.720 What's the next step and when did the project runway? 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.840 You know? I was, you know, you just as a 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:35.440 After I got out of school, I wanted to, of course, 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:36.720 work in New York. I'm gonna go I'm gonna work 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.320 in New York. Everybody do you want to do? I 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.160 was in Jersey at the time, but I get to 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.240 get to here. I would take a three like it 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.760 was like two hours one way to get into New 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.120 York for a job. I worked in the city. And 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.880 then one day I was reading Wonswary Daily and it said, 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.440 you know, there's this this design competition and a trip 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.880 to Paris, and you know, in high school, I'm like, 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:02.280 I'm going to Paris. I'm going to Paris and be 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:02.800 a designer. 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:07.280 And where'st And so I was like, I took that. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.240 I cut that article out and I put it at 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:11.720 my desk and I'm like, I'm going to be in 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.960 that competition. I'm going to win that competition. I'm gonna 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:18.800 get to Paris, and so I entered that competition. I 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.280 entered that competition, and back then, it's just like you know, 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.160 you know, I was just such a fish, like I 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.640 just came into it. Everybody kind of knew each other, 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.000 and I'm like, who is this girl coming up getting 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.199 in this competition because I think all the designers kind 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.720 of knew each other. And I just spent every time. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.719 All my family was just like, we're going to contribute 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:42.800 to this fashion show. And I got into the competition 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:47.400 was run by magazine, and I won and I won 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:52.520 the Tripur Wow. And that is where it all started 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.320 because I ended up being in all these newspapers and 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:59.800 all these magazines so upscale and all these different magazines, 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:04.160 and so stylists started seeing this. So I started working 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.320 with all these like R and B total R and 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.520 B artists, Monifa like que Latifa, like I started really 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:14.840 working with all these different artists because they saw the articles. 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.160 Back then, there was no social media, so they know 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.840 people really knew you is if you ended up in 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.680 the magazines. Remember back in the day, when you used 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.760 to get a stack of magazines from the less you 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.880 get like ten and they were all so expensive, twenty dollars, 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:32.840 thirty dollars, and you would go get all of these 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.120 fashion magazines and that's the only way people knew you. 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.280 And that's how I really started, and that's how people. 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.080 From that a Mad magazine and Cracked magazine, which is 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.040 what I was getting, way cheaper than the fashion magazines. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.480 For the way. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.200 Wait, but I remember like it was like a day 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.240 that all show up like almost in a stack, and 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:56.600 it was. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.680 Like I'd get a rip them up, the. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.960 Plastic off and just like basically like boom boom boom, 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:04.800 boom boom, like. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.960 What is happening? It's amazing. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.040 So you it sounds like you had to like an 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:21.760 entire community behind you, supporting you, whether it was emotionally, 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.800 passionately financially a little bit like that's mine. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.880 And they were all more conservative, like my sister's an engineer. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.360 They no one really understood me. They were just like 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.480 we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna support her. They just 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:36.680 love what I did. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.600 Do you know what I mean? You're so passionate. Yeah, 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:41.040 they all died. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.400 They would model for me. She's an engineer, but she's gorgeous, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.280 so she wouldcome model for me. And I remember after 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.800 ruinning that competition, and this is so funny because Tim 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.000 Gunn brought it up on Project Runway. I remember after that, 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:54.960 you know, and you're living in New York. No one 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.000 has any money. We're all hustle. We're a hustle. That's 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:58.880 back when you're hustled twenty four hours a day. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.880 That's like early reality TV, by the way, so there's 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.600 like zero budget. 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:05.520 No. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:12.040 Like even if you win, it's like you might be featured. 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.120 This is early reality TV, right. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:17.440 Yeah. 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.000 It was very and it was very different. And he 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.120 Tim Gum is like I know you. I'm like, how 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:24.720 do you know me? Like when I got to this show, 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.400 He's like, I know you from your because I had 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.360 a renegade fashion show when I was in New York. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:30.360 I had no money, I didn't know what to do. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.000 So I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna crash a 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:32.720 fashion show? 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.360 What does that mean? Renegade fashion show? Teach me? 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.400 You go so back then Bryant Park and the show's 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:46.040 just so big, all the you know, all everybody would 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.240 be out waiting to get into these shows. I'm like, 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.480 we're gonna have a Renegade Fashion show. My friends are like, 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:52.960 you mean, we're just gonna crash them, And as the show, 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.200 I'm like, yeah, Calvin Klein, Joe, we're gonna crash. 0:16:55.840 --> 0:17:00.080 We're gonna go to you crashed, Calvin kleinb. 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.280 Literally, I don't even know where I get the money. 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.320 I got everybody dressed in these gowns and my gowns. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.000 I got two limousines. We rolled up to the front 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.280 of Calvin Klein's show and all the editors and everything 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.359 were in front. The models came up to the front 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.000 of the show, walked up the steps of Brian Park 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:23.240 and modeled in front of the not inside the show, 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.280 but really in front of the steps of the show, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.480 and everybody was like, what is like no one had 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.600 seen it. We made it into the New York Times, 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:36.160 we made it into magazines at the time, and Tim 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.520 Gunn remembered it. He said because he said Carason, he said, 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.040 you know you did it. You did it. It take 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.560 to hag guts back then, like you did this show, 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.720 he said. Everybody here was talking about it, and I. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:49.040 Was just like, are you kidding me? 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:53.320 I would not my butt cheeks just right now. I 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.760 cannot have We thought we. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.240 Were gonna bess. I didn't know. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.720 They're like, you weren't sure they were gonna get arrested. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.920 We didn't. I didn't know. I'm like, that's worth it 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.439 because the shows back then took hundreds of thousands of 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:11.359 dollars to get into just unaffordable, Like how but how 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.760 are you going to show these designs? And so Tim 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.480 Gunn was like he said, and then you just disappeared, 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:19.399 like what happened to you? 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.360 Like you're scared you're gonna get arrested. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.119 No, it happened. Was I ended up going to California 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:27.080 and got into costume design. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.080 I want to talk about that because was it was 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:31.000 that your first show. 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.480 Malcolm and Eddie, and that was my first show, and 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.919 I was jumped. I like literally had knew nothing about protocol. 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.560 I was so I knew nothing about protocol, nothing about protocol. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.320 It was just like I started making some clothes for 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.960 Eddie Griffin at the time and he's like, hey, I 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:47.520 have the show, and he's like, why don't you come 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.840 be a designer? So I'm thinking I'm going to design 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.040 this show. So literally, I'm thinking I'm going to design 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.880 the show, not knowing that they had already crewed up. 0:18:56.280 --> 0:19:00.359 Eddie like not knowing, okay, so literally took a like 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.040 I'm like, oh, I'm going to design this show. Got 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.280 ended up getting to California finding out that the show 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.359 is crewed up. The producer is like, I'm sorry, I 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.600 don't know what he told you, but the show was 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.600 crewed up. I'm going and you know. I met with 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.200 Eddie and Eddie was so supportive. I'm like, hey, she said, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.800 the show is crewed up. And I went back home. 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.800 I get I'm in the subway and I get a 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.080 call from the producer. She was not too happy and 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:29.360 she's like, congratulations, you're on the show. I got in. 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.119