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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The name Letitia Stout should

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Speaker 1: The community holding out hope that Gannon will be found.

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Speaker 1: get straight out to Lee Egan, crime online dot com

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Speaker 1: RDO News Channel thirteen. Lee Egan, Crime Online dot Com

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Lee Egan, you've spoken at length with the mom,

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Speaker 1: Sydney Stell Sydney. Let's talk about when Ghana Starch, just

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Speaker 1: day and make a polay followed everywhere she went. So

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Speaker 1: I would agree with okay, and again del cars, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna even bother asking how do you explain

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Speaker 1: away that GP yes, evidence, because I know you're going

429
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: to come up with something. You're like a conjuror or

430
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: a magician with the bag of tricks. And every time

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Speaker 1: I thought you a hard question, you come up with

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Speaker 1: an answer. Guys, Then the searchs for Gannon takes a turn.

433
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirty two ABC seventies

434
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Speaker 1: Denver Lance Fernandez. The eleven year old's body was found

435
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Speaker 1: near this bridge, the Highway ninety bridge over the Escambia

436
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: River near Pensacola, Florida. It was a road construction worker

437
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: who found the remains Tuesday. Investigators aren't releasing any details

438
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Speaker 1: about how the boy died. They say he was killed

439
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: in Colorado and then taken to Florida. I asked how

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Speaker 1: finding a body can help with an investigation. Senior District

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Speaker 1: Deputy District Attorney Michael Allan said there's generally evidence on

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Speaker 1: a body. He wouldn't go into specifics about the case,

443
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: but did say Gannon's family is taking things very hard. Obviously,

444
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: they're distraught with this information. They were still holding out

445
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: hope that Gannon would come home alive. Despite the original

446
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: charges that we followed in this case. They're struggling, and

447
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: they rightfully would be. Considering the circumstances of this case.

448
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: It's tragic and we you know, like I said at

449
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: the beginning, our hearts go out to them. Lee again.

450
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Speaker 1: Crime Online tell me about the discovery of Gannon's body.

451
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: Ganna was discovered thousands of miles away from his Colorado home,

452
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Speaker 1: and you were correct. It was under a bridge in Hate, Florida,

453
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: which is right on the border of Pensacola. A road

454
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Speaker 1: construction worker was below doing work and he made the

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Speaker 1: discovery and contacted police. If it had not been for

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Speaker 1: that road worker again in Stouts, just eleven years old,

457
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: a slight little boy, his body would never have been found.

458
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: While cadaver dogs, sent dogs, drones, helicopters, shoulders, soldier searches

459
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Speaker 1: by foot are going on for a Gannon's Stout Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. For those of you just joining us,

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Speaker 1: take listen to our cut thirty eight CBS Divernese reporter

462
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: Rick Salinger describing what police are finding on Letitia's Stauch's computers.

463
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: The investigation also revealed the stepmother's Internet searches. One was four.

464
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: Husband uses me to babysit his kids. The court document

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Speaker 1: claims Letitia Stouk later changed her story that Gannon had

466
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Speaker 1: run away to that she was raped by an intruder

467
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: who then kidnapped the boy. Investigators believe Letitias Stalk then

468
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: took the body from the Palmer Lake area and drove

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Speaker 1: it to Florida, where she dumped it beneath the bridge.

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Speaker 1: Also listened to Fox twenty one. This is Brandon Thompson.

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00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: They say Letitia Stout lied multiple times. In fact, her

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Speaker 1: story changes dramatically In the two days following, They say

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00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: she tried to clean up the crime scene herself, but

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Speaker 1: investigators found Gannon's blood stained on the cement below his bed.

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Speaker 1: On Monday, January twenty seventh, Latitia Stouk reported Gannon missing

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Speaker 1: at six fifty five pm. In the nine one one call,

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Speaker 1: she had said he had gone to a friend's home

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Speaker 1: and was supposed to be home by six pm. Two

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00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: days later, she told investigators gan And was kidnapped, saying

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Speaker 1: a man she allowed in her home to fix carpet

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Speaker 1: had raped her and kidnapped Gannon. Those are two of

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Speaker 1: several lives investigators say Letitia Stout told them. The media

483
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Speaker 1: and Ganon's father, al Stout. The day Gannon disappeared, Latitia

484
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: Stout called Ganon sick out of school. When Gannon's nine

485
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Speaker 1: year old sister returns home from school, she asked Latitia

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Speaker 1: Stouk where her brother was, and she replied he was

487
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Speaker 1: asleep in her bed and to go play outside. According

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Speaker 1: to the documents, police believe Gannon was already dead. About

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Speaker 1: an hour later, Letitia sends a text to her seventeen

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Speaker 1: year old daughter, who was at work all day. Quote

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Speaker 1: carpet powder, two things, baking soda, trashbags. Investigators believe quote

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Speaker 1: these items were likely to clean up the murder scene.

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Speaker 1: Two doctor at Michelle do pretty special guests joining US

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Speaker 1: forensic pathologists, former medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation Field

495
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Speaker 1: Guide and Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide. I've got so

496
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: many questions, But did you hear the portion of that

497
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Speaker 1: report where at the crime scene blood was found on

498
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Speaker 1: the cement beneath Gannon Stouch's bed. What does that tell you?

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Speaker 1: I did hear that, Nancy, and that's very disturbing. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how much blood was there, but any amount

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Speaker 1: of blood is going to indicate some type of trauma.

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00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: And given the circumstances, the totality of the circumstances, this

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Speaker 1: does not bode well. Police search the home three hours

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00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: after that initial nine woe one call, and at first

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Speaker 1: they don't find anything suspicious that's unusual, but in five

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00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: subsequent searches they find gannons of blood in the garage,

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00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: the trunk of Stepmammy's car in the basement bedroom, so

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00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: much blood that it went through the mattress, leaked through

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Speaker 1: the carpet under the mattress. Studying the cement below his bed.

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Speaker 1: Tracking Stouch's car, they find she drove to Highway one

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Speaker 1: oh five the day after reporting him missing, staying thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Three days later, she goes in a different car where

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Speaker 1: police had placed a tracking device, went to the same area.

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00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Police find gannons of blood on a piece of wood

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Speaker 1: in the area where her car went, but not the body.

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00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: They believe she dumped his body at night, went back

517
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Speaker 1: to make sure the evidence wasn't viewable from the road,

518
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: then went back and texting investigators what do you want

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00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: from me? You know what? It's really hard to fight

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00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: blood evidence. But Dale Carson, criminal defense attorney extraordinaria joining

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Speaker 1: us out of Jacksonville one thing I'm sure that's going

522
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: to be argued by the defense is, hey, why don't

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00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: you see this the first time you went there, the

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00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: first time he searched the home, you found nothing. Now

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Speaker 1: you want to tell me there's all this blood evidence.

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Speaker 1: That's the chain of custody issue that you've tapped on,

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00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: and that's exact. Good right, And there's more. The search

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Speaker 1: warrant and arrest warrants are probably invalid because the attestament

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Speaker 1: is from a police officer and not the FBI agent

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Speaker 1: who was directly involved in information. Good luck on that one. No,

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Speaker 1: the judge a magistrate is not gonna pick and choose

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Speaker 1: between the FBI agent and a cop in a case

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Speaker 1: like this, where they are exigent circumstances. The child hasn't

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Speaker 1: been found. I mean, you know, long story short, I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's going to be a difference between who

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Speaker 1: swears to the truth in front of the judge to

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Speaker 1: get this search warrant. But I do see an argument

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00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: arising about why the evidence wasn't found the first time. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. This is why. I mean, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about it, doctor Michelle Dupree. When the cops go

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Speaker 1: in the first time they look around with the naked eye,

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00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: they look in every room and they can't find the boy.

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00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: They see the bed, it's probably made up with a

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Speaker 1: fresh bed sheet over it, a cover. They see nothing.

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00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: They may even look under the bed and see nothing.

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00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: But when they go back forensically and pull back the

547
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Speaker 1: bed covers, they find blood on the mattress, then on

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Speaker 1: the carpet. Have to move the bed to find it

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00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: on the carpet, yank up the carpet to find it

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00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: on the cement beneath, and as far as blood spatter

551
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: in the garage or elsewhere that can be invisible to

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00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: the naked eye, you got to go in there with

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Speaker 1: Liwin All to find that. That's why they didn't see it.

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00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: Trans right, Nancy jump In, That's right. You know, when

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00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: we got through a crime scene, we walked through it

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00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: the first time, and we're not looking for evidence specifically,

557
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: we're walking through it to get an idea of what

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00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: happened at the crime scene. And so that's not unusual

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00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: that they don't find it. But you're absolutely right. When

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00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: they come back with a forensic team, a CSI team

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00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: as we call it, then they're going to scour every

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00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: inch of that place and may not be visible. As

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00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: you said, you may need some special chemicals in order

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Speaker 1: to find it. You know that, Let me go to Sydney,

565
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: still joining US news reporter Kardo News Channel thirteen, Sydney.

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Speaker 1: According to police documents, evil stepmom Letitia Stouch conduct to

567
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Speaker 1: computer searches all about how to get rid of evidence

568
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: when your husband uses you to babysit and so forth

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Speaker 1: and so on. Is it true she texted her teen

570
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Speaker 1: daughter to bring back cleaning supplies to the home. Yeah,

571
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: she did text her daughter asking for that, which created

572
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: a whole mass of online rumors after that. But yeah,

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00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: she did ask for that. She searched all kinds of things.

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00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: She said, I wonder if my husband's ex wife is

575
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: sending me a card because they raised her kids. She searched,

576
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: my husband's ex wife does nothing for her kids. I mean,

577
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: her search history was incredibly long that day, and it

578
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: was a bunch of things about feeling very unappreciated for

579
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: raising somebody else's kids essentially, You know what, Sydney, that

580
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: just hurts me to hear that. For Gannon's sake, Sydney,

581
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: there's another daughter, a younger daughter, the one that came

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00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: home from school and she told her to go outside

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00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: and play that Ganna was asleep, when we all know

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00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: now Ganna was dead, you know, doctor Jerry Crossen, police

585
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: psychologist and author. They have another younger daughter, or they

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00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: have an older daughter that is Letitia's tausch is by

587
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: a daughter. Why is it that abusers pick out one

588
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: child very often and that's the one they would be

589
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: used and end up artering Why that child? Well, there

590
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: can be numerous reasons. There can be like a bad relationship,

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00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: that can be something that might just trigger memories of

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00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: a past bad individual in her life. They may have

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00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: mannerisms that they don't like, but over time those can

594
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: manifest into real violent and aggressive behavior towards that individual.

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Speaker 1: To Chris Buyers with Chris Buyer's investigation as a polygraph

596
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: dot com former law enforcement Chris, I know it has

597
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: to hurt a cop when they go into a saying,

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00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: they search, they're looking for the child, they're not looking

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00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: for evidence of a murder. And then later, upon closer inspection,

600
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: you find the blood and then you're attacked because you

601
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: didn't find it the first time. That's got to hurt.

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00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: They're doing your best, Yeah, absolutely, And it's like we

603
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Speaker 1: talked about earlier. That's one of the real important reasons

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Speaker 1: to when you go into any type of investigation early on,

605
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: you go in with an open mind. You don't get

606
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: tunnel vision and it's this or that and already start

607
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: labeling it because they can keep you from seeing some

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00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: things that are there in playing sight. But yeah, you've

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Speaker 1: got cops that are going in there and all they

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00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: want to do on their mind is there's a missing,

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Speaker 1: a living year old boy. He's critical, he needs he

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00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: needs medication, and that's all they're doing is looking for

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Speaker 1: clues to find him at that point because all yeah, Chris,

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Speaker 1: I don't really blame them. Lee Agan has the Crime

615
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Speaker 1: Online has conducted many interviews with Letitia Starch fifty nine.

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, it's still all about her. So

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Speaker 1: it's just help sitting because you can't like, like I

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Speaker 1: wish you could just be like, okay, listen, I know

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Speaker 1: you know I was PTSD whatever you want to call it.

620
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: Nothing against the soldiers or I'm not trying to knock

621
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Speaker 1: anybody's getting war or things like that. But you know,

622
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: people handle you know, situations differently. You know, you've seen

623
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Speaker 1: a time to sit in here and like actually like

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Speaker 1: breeze and and and be able to like process it

625
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: because I hadn't even wanted emotions of all of it. Yet,

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00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: you know, she hasn't had time to grave. Well, according

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Speaker 1: to prosecutors, yeah, really, she's the one that killed the child.

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Speaker 1: Lee Agan, I hear you in the background going mmmmmmm.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you did that with a straight face.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to more A letitious start speaking to

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com from behind bars, cut fifty eight.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind you seeing that my witness has already

633
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Speaker 1: went on records, you know, when a record with my

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Speaker 1: defense team. So you know that's like you said, there

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Speaker 1: was like a car tag? Are they got somebody's car tag? Well,

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Speaker 1: see what happened is I didn't have the car tag,

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Speaker 1: but she, the witness did on her PhMe, and I

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Speaker 1: had a hard time getting up with her because you know,

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Speaker 1: when they took my PhMe, I didn't have a I

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Speaker 1: like a lot of communication, and then I was on

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Speaker 1: the East coast and YadA, YadA, YadA, and then she

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Speaker 1: was afraid because how you know how crazy to see

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Speaker 1: will have been. She goes on and on and on

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Speaker 1: about how she has a witness that has a car

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Speaker 1: tag of the real killer to Sydney. Still, what happens next?

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Speaker 1: I know that she's filed a florry of motions. What's

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Speaker 1: happening right now, Sydney. So at the end of February

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Speaker 1: she filed a motion to represent herself at trial, and

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Speaker 1: so now she a judge has granted her request. She

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Speaker 1: is representing herself. She's advisory council that's helping her with

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Speaker 1: the legal process a little bit, but she's not getting

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Speaker 1: any help with defense strategy. And so this is actually

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Speaker 1: delayed her trial by about two months. Her pre trial

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Speaker 1: hearing is not supposed to start until the end of

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Speaker 1: May now, and she's continuing to be in court talking

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Speaker 1: to the judge about all of these obstacles that she's

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Speaker 1: now facing because she is representing her Oh, you mean

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Speaker 1: obstacles like how she plotted to escape from president using

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Speaker 1: a broom handle to bust out the sale window and

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Speaker 1: then another inmate rat it or out, Lee Egan, I

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Speaker 1: guess that route, that salemate is the obstacle exactly. You know, Lee,

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Speaker 1: I look forward to your next interview with her. To

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Speaker 1: all of our guests, you know, this woman We've talked

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Speaker 1: about all of her conflicting statements about how it's all

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Speaker 1: about her, But at the heart of this case, eleven

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Speaker 1: year old Gannon Stach is dead. Horrible, horrible death, his

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Speaker 1: body decomposing under a bridge thousands of miles away, while

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Speaker 1: Stepmommy makes up one lie after the next, which god willing,

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Speaker 1: will be exposed in court. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,