1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Jay. Most people know me as a 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: podcast host, entrepreneur, and author, But did you know that 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: I've been writing a newsletter every single week for the 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: last four years. It's called Weekly Wisdom. In each newsletter, 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: I answer a question from one of my seven hundred 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: thousand readers. I give my best insights and advice, helping 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: my readers find purposeful and spiritual solutions to their everyday problems. 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: My goal here isn't to tell you how to live 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: your life, but to guide you in the direction of 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: your best possible future. If you'd like to get my 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: newsletter send to your inbox every Thursday, just go to 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: jshetdynewsletter dot com to sign up. Now that's Jayshettynewsletter dot com. 13 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: A brand new newsletter comes out every week. I can't 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: wait for you to read it. A lot of us 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: have to recognize that change is something that has to 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: come from within. They have to feel like this new 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: life will be good for them, but they have to 18 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: know it in their language, with their reasons. They have 19 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: to commit to that change. Is someone telling you they're 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: going to change, or is someone showing you the signs 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: that they're ready to commit to change the number one 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: health and wellness podcast, Jay Shed Jay Sheidy, Hey everyone, 23 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: welcome back to On Purpose. Thank you for trusting me 24 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: with your time and energy. I don't take it for granted, 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful that you've chosen to be with 26 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: me here today. It's been an incredible few weeks. We've 27 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: had everyone from Sean Mendes to Andrew Huberman on the podcast, 28 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: Nicole Leperra, incredible therapist and thinker, and so many more 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: amazing guests yet to come. I also hope you've been 30 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: taking a look at my solo podcast because there have 31 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: been some workshops that have resonated with you recently. But 32 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm guessing you're here today because there's someone in your 33 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: life that you wish would change. Maybe it's your partner, 34 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's a parent, Maybe it's someone in your professional 35 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: environment at work. Maybe it's a sibling. Either way, there's 36 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: someone in your life that you're wishing, waiting and wanting 37 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: for to change. And maybe you've tried or ready to 38 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: help them change. Maybe you've pushed them to change. Maybe 39 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: you even made the mistake of forcing them to change. 40 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: And you're sitting there right now, going Jay, I just 41 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: don't know if they're ever going to change. Can people change? 42 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: That's our question for today. That's what you're thinking about, 43 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: and that's what I'm going to guide you through over 44 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: the next thirty minutes or so to recognize what is change? 45 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: What does it look like? Is it possible? If you 46 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: want to know if that person will ever change, this 47 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: episodees for you. If you're struggling with someone because they're 48 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: not changing, this episodes for you. And if you're someone 49 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: who's just trying to figure it out, this episode is 50 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: for you. Now. The first thing I want to do 51 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: is take a very factual look at change. When we 52 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: look at change in society, change in community, change individually. 53 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: Studies show that forming a habit can take anywhere from 54 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: eighteen to two hundred and fifty four days, with an 55 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: average of sixty six days to form a habit. But 56 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: that's not the kind of change you're talking about. When 57 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: we're asking this question can people really change, We're talking 58 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: about something far more core or fundamental. We're talking about values. 59 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: We're talking about attitudes, behaviors, mindsets. Right, maybe you want 60 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: someone to change the way they appreciate you. Maybe you 61 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: want someone to change the way they think about care. 62 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: Maybe you want someone to change the way they talk 63 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: to you, communicate with you. Maybe you want to change 64 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: the way someone behaves with you. Adapting to change, study 65 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: show can take around ninety days, and seeing significant change 66 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: in society can take thirty years or more. Notice the 67 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: difference changing a habit average sixty six days, adapting to 68 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: a change ninety days, Seeing norms set into society thirty years. 69 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: So we've got to look at the person and we've 70 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: got to empathize and be compassionate and realize are they 71 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: trying to change a habit, are they adapting to a change, 72 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: or really is it that we're hoping that they change 73 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: a norm in their life? Now, I want to give 74 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: you an answer in short that of course people can change, 75 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: but different parts of them take longer to change. And 76 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: there are four There are far more aspects that are 77 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: unchangeable than we believe. And when I say unchangeable, I 78 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: don't mean that it's impossible or will never happen. I 79 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: mean that the waiting time may be so long that 80 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: it may feel like forever. So one interesting study talks 81 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: about this idea of how it's actually quite hard over 82 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: time for people to change core personality traits. So people 83 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: can change their personality, but it's hard to change core 84 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: personality straits, Like if someone's an extrovert or an introvert, 85 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to change. Someone's not just going to shift 86 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: from one to the other. If someone's a homebody or 87 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: wants to travel the world, that's not going to change overnight. 88 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: If someone is more likely to be opened than closed 89 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: emotionally available, it's not easy for someone who's emotionally disconnected 90 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: or unavailable to suddenly become available overnight. These are far 91 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: more core personality traits that are much more difficult to 92 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: see changes in now. One study I looked at talks 93 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: about how hurtful behaviors such as lying, cheating, dismissing, or controlling, 94 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: and this is from psych Central. They say are often 95 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: habits that turn into harmful behavior patterns, and research from 96 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty explains personality may be shaped by an interaction 97 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: between multiple sources from genes to events and social relationships, 98 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: rather than only one source. The study goes on to 99 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: say that personality development isn't linear and changes in either. 100 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: So what's really interesting about that is even when people change, 101 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: we think of changes linear, We think that if someone changes, 102 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: everything changes, when actually what happens in reality is that 103 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: even if someone changes, chances are they're going to oscillate 104 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: back and forth to their form myself. So you're going 105 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: to constantly ask the question, Wait a minute, I thought 106 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: you changed. Wait a minute, I thought you understood. Wait 107 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: a minute, I thought you got the message. And the 108 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: truth is it's more likely that someone's going to oscillate 109 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: back and forth until they get there. So behavior can 110 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: be learned and unlearned. But the amount of time it 111 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: can take, the levels it can go to in order 112 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: for that to happen can be very, very hard to 113 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: go through. Now here's the reality I want to get 114 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: through to you. You can't change anyone. You can only 115 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: change yourself. You can't force someone to change. You can't 116 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: push someone to change. You can't beg someone to change. 117 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: They will change when they want to change. They will 118 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: change when they feel a need to change. They will 119 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: change when they're ready for change. When it impacts them 120 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: so badly that they're not changing, that's when they'll choose 121 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: to change. Changing someone else is not within your control, 122 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: and trying to find ways to do it can be exhausting. 123 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: So what I'd rather give you is signs that someone 124 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: is likely to change, because often what we do is 125 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: we keep asking the question can people change? And really 126 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: it's the wrong question, because people can change, But is 127 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: the person that you're with likely to change? Is the 128 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: person that you're talking about likely to change? These are 129 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: the signs that they're likely to change, And that's a healthier, better, 130 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: smarter question to ask, because what you're really asking when 131 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: you ask can people change? Is my person going to change? 132 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: Are they going to be different? And there are certain 133 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: signs that point you in the right direction. The first 134 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: one is they own up and take accountability and are 135 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: self aware about not only what change is acquired, but 136 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: why the change is required. Sometimes someone will say to you, 137 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: I know I need to change. I know it isn't right, 138 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: and we get so happy and elated that they acknowledged 139 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: it that we take that acknowledgment as accountability. There's a difference. 140 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: There is a difference between acknowledgment and accountability. Acknowledgment is 141 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: recognizing something. Accountability is reconciling something. Let me say that again. 142 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: Acknowledgment is recognizing something. Accountability is reconciling something. When you're 143 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: accountable you actually have the ability to articulate what the 144 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: problem is, why it exists, and how you're going to 145 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: show up in the future. You're taking accountability for your actions, 146 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: your behaviors, and you're able to see the connection between 147 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: how you act and how it affects the other person. 148 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: I promise you that most people that you're talking to 149 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: are simply acknowledging the problem. They're not actually taking accountability. 150 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: But because we don't know the difference, we assume they're 151 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: the same thing. Now, assuming they're the same thing isn't 152 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: a great idea, because if you assume that they're the 153 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: same thing, then you think someone's taken accountability. But no 154 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: accountability means I know how my actions affected you. I 155 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: know why my actions affected you. I can articulate it, 156 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: and I know how my actions affect you, and I 157 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: know which actions I need to change, and by the way, 158 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: I know why I need to change them. I know 159 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: why I am that way. Notice the difference between acknowledgment 160 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: and accountability. Now, once someone's taken accountability, they have to 161 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: want to change. They have to have the proper motivation 162 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: to change, because just because someone can articulate and take 163 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: accountability doesn't mean that they feel the need to. They 164 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: have to feel that change is necessary. If you look 165 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: at most humans, we only change when we believe something's necessary. Right. 166 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: If we think something's going to end, we change. If 167 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: we think something new is going to start, we change, right, 168 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: We change when it happens. Most people want to get 169 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: promoted before they change their performance, not realizing that you 170 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: get a promotion because you changed your performance. There's a 171 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: reason why the famous phrase of you don't know what 172 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: you've got until it's gone, because we wait till we 173 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: lose something to know we should have changed. That's how 174 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: human behavior, in the human mind works is we constantly 175 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: feel that until something's necessary, until something is required of me, 176 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: I won't do it. Until I feel the pressure to, 177 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: I won't do it. What often we do is we 178 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: try and put that pressure on that person to change. 179 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: We try and force them to change, but we don't 180 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: realize that if they change for us, but they don't 181 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: know why they're changing, they may actually feel regret. I 182 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: like to think about this through a scenario. If someone 183 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: changes for you, then that means that they didn't really 184 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: go through the process within themselves. They haven't really looked 185 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: at the value, and therefore they may actually be depressed 186 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: about that change. They may be down about that change. 187 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: They may not wish that change ever happened to them. 188 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. RATHERI and me. Radi always 189 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: told me that all she wanted to do was live 190 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: close to her family. And I wanted that for her 191 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: because I love her family and I know how much 192 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: she loves them. And then when I got the opportunity, 193 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: of course, to move across the world, to change my career, 194 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: change my life and do what I get to do today, 195 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: and Rather, and I've already married, and it was a 196 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: hard change for Radi, and I said to Radi that 197 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: I didn't want her to move for me. I wanted 198 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: her to do it because she saw value it and 199 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: she could find it for herself. Now she had to 200 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: adapt to that change. It was hard for her, and 201 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: I was trying my best to help her with that change. 202 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: I didn't want her to change, and I didn't want 203 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: her to feel pressure to change, because I realized that 204 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: unless something comes from within, unless something comes from that person, 205 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: they are never really going to fully commit to it. 206 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: And that's what's really interesting. Sometimes we're trying to get 207 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: people to change. On the surface, we're trying to get 208 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: people to change in behavior for us, and we don't 209 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: realize that when they do that, not only does it 210 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: not stick, when it doesn't come from within, it doesn't 211 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: feel like it's meaningful to them. So they can't truly 212 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: get behind that change long term, and they may even 213 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: feel like it's your fault. They may feel like it's 214 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: a mistake. They may feel like it was the worst 215 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: decision they made in the long term, and a lot 216 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: of us have to recognize that change is something that 217 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: has to come from within. They have to feel like 218 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: this new life will be good for them, but they 219 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: have to know it in their language, with their reasons. 220 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: They have to commit to that change. Is someone telling 221 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: you they're going to change, or is someone showing you 222 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: the signs that they're ready to commit to change. Okay, 223 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: I am so excited about this because we've got the 224 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: first ever merch drop for on Purpose. It's finally here 225 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,239 Speaker 1: and for World Mental Health. 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A lot 235 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: of the people will say the right thing because they're 236 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: people pleasers. They don't want to lose you. They want 237 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: to say all the right things to hold on to you, 238 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: But they haven't committed to that change right. They haven't 239 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: put steps into place, they haven't had the awkward, uncomfortable conversations, 240 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: they haven't stepped up and done the things that are 241 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: hard for them is someone committing to change. And often 242 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: what we do is we just keep going mad. We 243 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: keep getting angry at them, saying I wish you to change. 244 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: You keep telling me you're going to change, but you 245 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: don't change, but they're not committing to that action. One 246 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: of the things I've been saying to a lot of 247 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: people I know recently is don't expect change to happen 248 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: in one therapy session. What we're often hoping is that 249 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: lifetimes of work will become clear to someone through a 250 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: couple of sessions of therapy. What I mean by that 251 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: is our wiring is so deep. There are values that 252 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: we've held on too because of our childhood that don't 253 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: just disappear because someone else presents a better idea. I'll 254 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: give an example, a silly example. If you've always put 255 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: your cereal in the ball before your milk, by the way, 256 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: that's the normal way, no judgment, right, and you start 257 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: dating someone who puts milk in before the cereal, you 258 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: don't just switch to doing that right now. That's a 259 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: really silly example. It's a really easy change. It doesn't 260 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: make a difference. But if you think about it, there 261 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: are things you think about first. Sometimes some of you 262 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: think about money before you think about people, because that's 263 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: how you were raised. You're not going to change that 264 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: overnight because you start dating someone who thinks about people 265 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: before money, even if it makes logical sense to that person. Right. 266 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: People don't just change their values, their core belief systems 267 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: overnight just because someone else's sounds good. Right, If someone 268 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: believes I've been watching and I'm sure many of you 269 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: have seen it, monsters. Now, no matter what you believe, 270 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: just taking this idea of even if someone's parents have 271 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: done harm to them, have done them wrong, if they 272 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: love their parents and feel positively towards them because they 273 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: feel somehow, you know, whether it was they felt guilty, 274 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: they felt shameful that they had to feel that way, 275 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: that's how they were raised. They're not suddenly just going 276 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: to see the light because you made them aware of 277 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: a few things. Actually, it's very hard for people to 278 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: admit that their parents have flaws, that there are challenges, 279 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: that there are you know, difficulties there. And you see 280 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: that in the Menendez brothers, who struggle to recognize certain challenges. Now, 281 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: whatever happened in that scenario, you get the point of 282 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: making that it's not easy to acknowledge things that are 283 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: so counterintuitive to the way you've been raised. Right, if 284 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: your parents were savers not spenders, you're not suddenly going 285 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: to realize that actually spending money meaningfully is better for you. 286 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: It takes a lot of healing, it takes a lot 287 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: of work, it takes a lot of unearthing, and so 288 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: one there or a couple of therapy sessions or a 289 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: month of therapy or coaching or whatever. Maybe won't make 290 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: the change now by the way, you're all chipping away. 291 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: But I think when we want someone to change, we're 292 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: just hoping, wishing, wanting, waiting that they're just going to change. Now. 293 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: Signs that someone's changing is they start to course correct. 294 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: When they say something to you that they realize is 295 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 1: their old voice, they call it out. They say, wait 296 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: a minute, I just realized that was my old voice speaking. 297 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: They start to recognize how the smallest actions are a 298 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: representation of their old self. And really that's what it is. 299 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: You have to think about it as a transformation from 300 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: an old to new self, right, And if someone's transforming 301 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: from their old to new self, they will go between 302 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: their old and new self. Often it's not like you 303 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: transition once. It's almost like saying I'm going to create 304 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: eating sugar. It's not like you never eat sugar again. Right. 305 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: If you're like I'm going to be healthy out and 306 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: work out, it doesn't mean you're never going to miss 307 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: a workout again. And sometimes we hold people to really 308 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: crazy high standards that doesn't make sense. Right. We want 309 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: them to never ever oscillate, we want them to never 310 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: ever fall back. The other way we know signs of 311 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: change is are we trying to change? Are we trying 312 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: to make a difference right? Are we willing to change 313 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: as well? Are we able to do the same work 314 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: that we're expecting this person to do. Are we willing 315 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: to do that same work for ourselves and for this relationship. 316 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: A lot of the time, it's really easy to point 317 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: out where everyone else needs to change, but it's really 318 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: hard to be conscious of where we need to change. 319 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: And I think for a lot of us, we're trying 320 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: to mold someone into being more like us. We want 321 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: them to think like us, we want them to talk 322 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: like us. Now, there may be certain value to that, 323 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: like you may have some really great skills, and you 324 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: may have some really great attributes, But are you willing 325 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: to change to some of their better attributes? Are you 326 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: aware of their better attributes? Are you able to identify 327 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: their better attributes? Or have you lost connection with them? 328 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: There's a lot to be said for community and change. 329 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: I find that if you're the only person reminding this 330 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: person of the positive benefits of change, it's hard to change. 331 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: We often need when we hear that phrase of we 332 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: are the five people we spend the most time with. 333 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: It's so true that someone will not change unless the 334 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: people around them change. I've met so many people over 335 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: the years who are part of a community who thinks 336 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: in a very old fashioned way. They're not going to 337 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: suddenly upgrade to a modern way of thinking. I'll give 338 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: an example in mining community. Back at home, it's not 339 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: normal for our husband and wife to travel separately. So 340 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: often to me and Raley travel separately a lot, and 341 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: sometimes I'm at an event and she's not. Sometimes she's 342 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: at an event and I'm not, And people will always 343 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: be like, there's everything okay? Because in that world, even 344 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: if you're arguing in the car before you pull up 345 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: to the wedding event, even if you argue on the 346 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: way home from the birthday party, because you came and 347 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: left together, it's seen as positive. Right. Let me just 348 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: explain that again. People always ask me and Rabi, is 349 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: everything okay? Because we often don't show up to the 350 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: same events together because we're both busy, and people would 351 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: rather argue on the way to a wedding or fight 352 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: on the way back just to show that they came 353 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: and left together in order to prove to society that 354 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: they have a healthy relationship then actually having a healthy relationship, 355 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: and so the perception in that society is togetherness. Are 356 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: you arriving and leaving together is the sign of a 357 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: healthy relationship. Now, that perception doesn't change overnight. That's a 358 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: deep seated belief, as ridiculous as it sounds, that that 359 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: is what a successful relationship is. And so people live 360 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: up to that falsehood, and people live up to that 361 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: fake level of quality of a relationship rather than one 362 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: with good communication and respect and boundaries and permission to 363 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: be who we are. So that's just not going to 364 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: change over now, like someone's not going to change their 365 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: view overnight of what's seen as a healthy marriage is 366 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: a healthy relationship. And I think this hits very closely 367 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: to why I partnered up with match and what I 368 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: really found was I wanted to create a space where 369 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: people could connect based on their values. And this was 370 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: really really important to me because I feel that everything 371 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying here is because we don't realize that our 372 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: core values have such a big impact in terms of 373 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: long term success. If you ignore core values, you're thinking 374 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: in the next five months. If you take on core values, 375 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: you're living in the next five years, and for anyone 376 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: who's interested and invested in building a long term, long lasting, 377 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: powerful relation relationship, this mindset is huge. Ninety three percent 378 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: of match members say that shared core values are a 379 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: crucial indicator of relationship success. And if I'm completely honest, 380 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: most people have never even looked at these ideas. Most 381 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: people have never even had the opportunity, the time, the space, 382 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: the energy given these thoughts a moment of thought. Most 383 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: people have never even had the option to say, Okay, 384 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: well let me just take a look at this for 385 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: a second, like how do I feel about this? What 386 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: are my beliefs about this? Most people have never even 387 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: done that. So, when you're in a relationship with someone, 388 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: you're actually going through the process of making someone aware 389 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: of the process they need to go through. It's not 390 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: even like you know, are you ready to change? Do 391 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: you know you need to change? It's almost like you've 392 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: got to start from scratch with yourself and the other 393 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: person of like, are we even living the life we want? 394 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: Do you know what your values? Are? We conscious? So 395 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: the question isn't do you know you need to change? 396 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: You know you're wrong, right? You know there's parts of 397 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: you that just meant like that's not the conversation. The 398 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: conversation is, Hey, do we know where this relationship is going? 399 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: Do we know what choices we've made? Are we aware 400 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: of what this unfolds like? Have we talked about our 401 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: past and how it's affected us? Do we know how 402 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: our core values and beliefs, what kind of foundation they are. 403 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: It's almost like, rather than criticizing someone for their bad 404 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: taste in interior design, you're actually talking about like, hey, 405 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: should we both get educated on the foundations of relationships? 406 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: Shall we both become really aware of where we're going 407 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: and what's going on. I really want you to reflect 408 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: on this, because sometimes I think we're starting the wrong 409 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: conversation because we were actually expecting people to be more 410 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: emotion mature than anyone in the world has actually had 411 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: the opportunity to be. And you may be the person 412 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: in your relationship us to start the healthy conversation that 413 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: has to start the useful conversation. I really hope that 414 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: these tips help you in this person you want to change. Remember, 415 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: they won't change for you, they won't change for me, 416 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 1: they won't change for anyone. They'll only change for themselves, 417 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: and you can't make them change However, you can open 418 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: them to the idea of re evaluating their beliefs to 419 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: become self aware, to understand where their current choices will 420 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: take them, to help them understand where their current trauma 421 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: and upbringing will guide them. And you can help them 422 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: become more aware through self reflection. But you can't tell 423 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: them it force them to it, and if you do, 424 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: I promise you it won't be the change you're really 425 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: looking for. So I hope this helps, I hope this 426 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: serves you. I want you to remember I'm always rooting 427 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: for you on forever in your corner, and I'm so 428 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: grateful that you trusted me with your time and energy 429 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: to join me here today. I wish you all the 430 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: best in your relationships. People can change, but they don't 431 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: change for me. They don't change for you. They change 432 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: for themselves. They need to feel accountable, they need to 433 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: be committed to it, they need time, they need patience, 434 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: and ultimately you need to realize that there are parts 435 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: of them that may never change. And that doesn't mean 436 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: they can't love you and you can't love them, and 437 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: they can't respect you and you can't respect them. Often, 438 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: what we want people to change isn't integral to them 439 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: loving us. It's just because we want to feel a 440 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: certain way. Thank you for listening. I'll see you again 441 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: on the next episode of One Purpose. I appreciate you deeply. 442 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: Take care. If you love this episode, you'll really enjoy 443 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: my episode with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic 444 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: and how to speak to yourself with more compassion. My 445 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: fears are only going to continue to show me what 446 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm capable of. The more that I face my fears, 447 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: the more that I feel I'm gaining strength and gaining wisdom, 448 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: and I just want to keep doing that.