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Speaker 1: Sound Argument. I went to Catholic school my whole life.

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Speaker 1: sure why God brought me to St. Mary's. And this

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Speaker 1: to my religion. Hi him, Mariolencinis. So I'm helping with

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Speaker 1: the flowers. We just set up the masks, I set

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Speaker 1: This morning I was at work and I had to

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Speaker 1: So the Red Mass is an ancient tradition that started

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Speaker 1: that's going to occur in this next judicial year. Red

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Speaker 1: a representative candle part Catholic Lawyer's Guild of San Antonio, St.

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Speaker 1: Mary's University law Alumni, standic Law roses in Memoriam. So

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Speaker 1: all of us servant leaders. The purpose of this red

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Speaker 1: the liturgical red signifies the willingness to defend the truth

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Speaker 1: inspired by the Holy Spirit and for the nation. Although

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Speaker 1: human law may hopefully preserve us from anarchy, it is

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Speaker 1: not enough to wind up our country's wounds. And we

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Speaker 1: Just a few weeks after the start of the fall semester,

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Speaker 1: the first big national trial competition, the Battle of the Experts,

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Speaker 1: is class action the Battle of the Experts episode four,

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Speaker 1: with the COVID nineteen Delta variants sweeping through college campuses.

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Speaker 1: This will be a virtual competition. A quick summary the cases,

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Speaker 1: let's say, very similar to the murder depicted in the

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Speaker 1: movie Goodfellas. This case file is the prosecution of the

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Speaker 1: Joe Pesci character for all intents and purposes. So the

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Speaker 1: fact pattern in this mob case, Billy Cafilero, the made

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Speaker 1: the defendant, Mr Thomas Santa Suso in today's proceedings. Defending

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Speaker 1: Like you're on fire, everything around you's on fire. People

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Speaker 1: Like things like that, Yes, your honor, maybe proceed. Some

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Speaker 1: Commonwealth has brought before you something that looks like a present.

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Speaker 1: But after today's case, we will unwrap that box and

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Speaker 1: Nick Patrick, a liar, a drug dealer, and her. It's

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Speaker 1: are following his mother's Sicilian recipes. Tommy a few years

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Speaker 1: hear from mac Ledesma, Mr La Desma is an expert

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Speaker 1: He knows the way the mafia works, and he can

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Speaker 1: the prosecution calls Nick Patrick, it's star witness, to the

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Speaker 1: And there are three things today that the Commonwealth must

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Speaker 1: thinking about how they're gonna end up as lawyers and whatnot?

425
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: They're going to be competitive trial lawyers and really be

426
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Speaker 1: able to make a mark that way. I am much

427
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: more concerned with building competitive lawyers than I am with

428
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: building competitive trial teamers. You get four competitions if you're lucky, right,

429
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: you get four times to compete at an at a

430
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: mock trial competition in law school, maybe six if you

431
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: really push it at some schools. Right, if you do

432
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: three a year, you have the rest of your professional

433
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: career that you're going to go out and be representing people,

434
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: And so I'm much more concerned with making good attorneys.

435
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: Coming back and say, Antonio, the pace of the trial

436
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: is heating up. So let me get this straight. You

437
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: heard the defendants say in three separate statements that he

438
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: was going to kill Billy. Correct. Correct. The rookie Mariana

439
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: and Sinas is thrown into the fire as a witness,

440
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: and in another room, her teammates are listening, ready to

441
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: bail her out. So as we sit here today, you

442
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: have absolutely no idea about anything time he did after

443
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: he left the bar. Correct, Yeah, you agree, it's possible

444
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: he never left at all. I mean it could be possible. Yes,

445
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: I saw him leave the bar with his wife. So

446
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: and you didn't him again that night, No, I didn't,

447
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: because the only way you would know if he hadn't

448
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: come back that night is if he had physically re

449
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: entered the bamboo lounge. Correct. Yes, And when I have

450
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: really took was closing up. I was able to see

451
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: a little bit outside, and that was the extent to

452
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: what I could see outside. So as we sit here today,

453
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: you have absolutely no idea about anything I did. Actually,

454
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: left the botter. Correct. Yeah, objection, your honor, asked and answered, Boss,

455
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: we have no further questions, your honor. When the experts

456
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: are called, the trial moves into open warfare, with lawyers

457
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: trying to crush the credibility of the other side's witness. Hello,

458
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: my name is Macdesma. This Macladesma is portrayed by St.

459
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: Mary's Cold Dobula. Business has been hired eighteen times before

460
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: to do this. Correct. Yes, so set out of the

461
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: eighteen times that your business has been hired to consult,

462
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: it's been hired by monsters. Correct, It's been hired violent

463
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: monsters and their defense counsel. You did not speak with Nickpatrick. No,

464
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: Now you believe nick statements to the police were truthful? Correct,

465
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. So you believe the objection,

466
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: your honor, I mean, very sustained. Sometimes all of this

467
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: high speed action results in a misfire objection, Your honor,

468
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: your objection, Yes, your honor, objection to the commonwealth saying

469
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: that my client got an attorney. What's your objection? My

470
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: objection is withdraw. Okay, But the mark of a sharp

471
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: attorney is a quick recovery. Let's talk about your investigation

472
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: on Billy's murder. You collected evidence in this case, yes,

473
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: and one of the evidence that you collected was the

474
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: interview of Mr Patrick the written report, Yes, the interpe

475
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: Mr Patrick. But we don't have that audio of the

476
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: interview today. No, we don't have it because your police

477
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: department lost it. Yeah, I'm not sure. As the trial

478
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: heads to break, Andy Viskora, the team captain, checks in

479
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: with her co counsel, Dude, I forgot the last look,

480
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Was it that bad? Yeah, you

481
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: don't go off screen. I mean, it's not that bad.

482
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: The cross was good, But like, are you confident in yourself?

483
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: Like you knew that you walked over stop for like

484
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: two minutes to ask one question. I know, I just

485
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: couldn't remember my question. It's okay. If you don't remember

486
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: ended on that, it's okay. Like you clearly were going

487
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: off screen. No, you didn't fail. It was a good

488
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: it was a good yes, I'm sure, But don't but

489
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: be confident in yourself, like you know what you're I

490
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: know you could not remember. Just take a breath and

491
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: just like take a moment, like you're okay, everything's okay,

492
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: Like it was a really good. Cross. You got it.

493
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: We got everything we needed. It's fine. Let you down.

494
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Know you didn't let me down. You can't dwell on

495
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: it for too long because we have a job to do.

496
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: And it's like you can't sit there and feel sorry

497
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: for yourself, like just keep going, like you have to

498
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: keep going and you have to remember that, like confidence

499
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: is half of the game jazz, because you're not being

500
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: you don't believe in yourself, and like I can't do

501
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: it for you. Like sometimes like you like get down

502
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: and you like let it like go into you, and

503
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: then you're like and you hesitate and the next question

504
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: is the right question? It like you know this stuff,

505
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, like you got it? Yeah, I

506
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: like just hit it like you sarcasm, Like all of

507
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: your questions or your questions, but like your tone of

508
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: voice and how you're asking them are going to convey

509
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: more than what you're actually saying. We all got confidence issues.

510
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: We all got confidence issues. Are you ready for this? Lead? Direct? Yeah? Okay,

511
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: put the fund down. You're not crying, You're fine, lawyers,

512
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: don't cry. Let's go. I need you to hype up.

513
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: We got this, Okay, we got everything. This is the

514
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: easy parts practice. Yes, let's go. Okay, is our our

515
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: teeth back? Get all the attorneys to screen your honor

516
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: council members of the jury. Earlier today, my co AC

517
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: Council Bailey MOOREVAC told us this case we come down

518
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: to an opportunity obvious mrs and the desired outcome. The

519
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: teams are ready for closing arguments, and the pressure is

520
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: on to impress the judges one last time in South Dakota.

521
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: That job falls to Justin and now the Commonwealth comes

522
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: before us today and asks you to give them their

523
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: desired outcome, an outcome that they haven't quite earned. Then

524
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: we also heard from the defenses expert, Mr Macladsma, the

525
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: DESMA who spent years in the FBI has investigated many

526
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: many organized criminals, pointed out a few things that didn't

527
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: make sense. The few things that didn't make sense, like

528
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: the circumstances and suspects that were never investigated. Let's talk

529
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: about some of those circumstances. The first one being you

530
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: can't get the technology to the timing of the death.

531
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: There we go, there we go, Justin, there's my boy.

532
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: The extremely close to the timing of the release from

533
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: the guy for the potential violations of the markets are

534
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: the sanction killing and sanctional killing is when the blessing

535
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: in San Antonio, It's Andy's turn to close out the case. Yes,

536
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: can we proceed? Some things are too good to be true,

537
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: but the commonwealth things. They have their slam dunk conviction.

538
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: Why does anything else matter. It matters because they have

539
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: the wrong guy. It matters because the real killer is

540
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: sitting in the wrong chair. It matters because in the

541
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: United States of America, no one is above the law

542
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: and no one is beneath it either. It means that

543
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: no matter who you are, president, priest, prostitute, or even

544
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: former mafia member, the law protects you until the CommonWell

545
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: until the state can prove otherwise. Mr Patrick thinks that

546
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: because he delivered this perfect present of a case to

547
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: you today, no one will look too hard at him.

548
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: Pay attention to the red flashing lights pulsing in front

549
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: of you. There is more evidence in this case that

550
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: Nick Patrick, Council, you've run out of time. Yes, your honor,

551
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: you revolved in this case. Yes, you remembers to the

552
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: jury the defense that I could have cut it. I

553
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: couldn't cut it perfect close it was, it wasn't perfect.

554
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: After the end of the round, the presiding judge and

555
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: the jurors tally up their points. They mark a range

556
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: of scores for the quality of the openings and the closings,

557
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: as well as the effectiveness of the direct and cross examinations.

558
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: Judges could just drop an acknowledgement in the chat or

559
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: give me a shout and let me know when their

560
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: ballot has been submitted. I can confirm with the back

561
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: office that it has been received. How do you feel.

562
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: I feel good. There are parts of it that could

563
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: have been smoother. There are parts of it where they

564
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: could have argued a little bit more, but they used

565
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: their time judiciously. They pointed out the things that they

566
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: needed to point out. I would have liked just to

567
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: point out the impeachments that we got in the clothes

568
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: a little bit more. But I think he attacked the

569
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: credibility of the witnesses just by in particular, since he

570
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: had that moment our comments. Let's just prepare judges, let's

571
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: just go in alphabetical order. As for the defense, I

572
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: would say that the cadence of the closing made difficult

573
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: to follow what was and what was not important within

574
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: your arguments. That's happen. Like I said before I pitched up, Yeah,

575
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: there was a total voice critique just it's gonna be

576
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: so bad. Both teams did well, but I would caution

577
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: the prosecution to be less theatrical, and for the defense,

578
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: I would say pick your energy up a little bit more,

579
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: especially if you get stuck at a point. It seemed

580
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 1: like at some points both sides may have been doing

581
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: some reading um, which is okay uh in my view,

582
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: because you don't have to memorize every single factor case

583
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: in order to be yes you boss, I could find

584
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: use my power one. Yeah, I was trying to find

585
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: it's happen. But it wasn't a terrible cloth. It wasn't

586
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: a terrible clothes justin you did exactly what you need

587
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: to do. You walk them through the element. You walked

588
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: them through where they didn't have proof. You did exactly

589
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: what I would have What did you do you handle

590
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: It's that should have been a time was Yeah, but

591
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: we're going up against the world's first boring over the

592
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: ashole like non existent real world team. Yeah, like that guy,

593
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: exactly what did you get? Zoby Michelot my name or

594
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: a Quarterbacky, you handled that around, or really did, but

595
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: you yeah, shaken off, shake off the shake off the

596
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: bad vife freaks. I'm telling you can handle that. The

597
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: fact that that closure was as scripted as he was

598
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: and was as reading as much as he was. I'm

599
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: not meaning this as any kind of insult to Berkeley,

600
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: because that's a way that they can choose to coach.

601
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: But this stuff drives me nuts. I can't stand preplanned

602
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: gestures where it's been clear that they've been told what

603
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: mark to hit with it, and they were clearly reading

604
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: both their opening and their closing, and they're opening was

605
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: long as hell. It was like ten minutes long. It

606
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. Your theory is way better on the State case.

607
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: That's the stuff that we discarded about a month ago.

608
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: Now at this point was was what they went with.

609
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: You guys are better prepared. You just have to stay focused.

610
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: In San Antonio, the mood is tense as they wait

611
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: for comments. This WiFi better start working before I throw

612
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: a hand trump. Hey, you guys, I'm gonna keep my

613
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: comments as short as possible, no matter how much I

614
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: love the sun of own voice, because I know you

615
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: all are probably hungry because I am. But in all seriously, guys, lookers,

616
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: and you'll even I would have pulled with all the

617
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: emotions lily today, I would have been shouted out of

618
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: the pegroom. Um, you are going to find a request

619
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: emotion and limited. You better make superiod matters. You better

620
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: make sure he's not completely st everyone's time and you

621
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: might lay your emotion your threat. You have to be

622
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: able to adjust. And um, I mean, let's be honest,

623
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: the running out of time card is that to our

624
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: west was concerned for me or back? I'm gonna sort

625
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: of piggyback on that comment. To me, this felt pretty

626
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: sloppy for a trial at this level. Um, going over time,

627
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: not listening to the rulings on motions and objections, not

628
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: having a backup plan if you lose on a particular

629
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: line of questioning, and just sort of like dropping it.

630
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: And I just feel like at this level, you know,

631
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: you gotta look at the scoresheet and you got to

632
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: see what we're evaluating you on. This is an overall

633
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: performance kind of a competition, overall performance kind of sporesheet.

634
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: There's no part on the sporesheet for me to give

635
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: you bonus points for making motions eliminate and objections that

636
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: didn't advance your case in the end, you thought we

637
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: were sloppy. How are we slopping? I don't know. I

638
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: thought you did good. Maybe it was me away cross Oky,

639
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry about the running out of time. Yeah,

640
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: it's fine. No, it's not fine. Down, I'm sorry. Oh.

641
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: After one long day of competition, the St. Mary's team,

642
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: despite the harsh comments from the judges, beat the University

643
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: of Illinois Chicago. They lost their next trial to Chicago Kent.

644
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: The team piles into Andy's car trying to clear their heads. Sander,

645
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: and why do you have a keens and dress? Because

646
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: my sister had her, Keen said recently, and I've been

647
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: trying to get this to the right cleaners, but I've

648
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: been forgetting because I'm running around like a crazy person. Christen,

649
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: I wonder what judge was that complained. It was like

650
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: our main judge, no vote. I't talk about that anymore.

651
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: I'm They're like, I'm gonna be pissed if this one

652
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: guy carried his wolves, Like is that a joke? Like? Yeah,

653
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: he was good. He was also reading. Everyone needs to

654
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: calm down. It's hard breaking first, so hard for this

655
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: and we still got two rounds. I mean we we

656
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: got your rounds right, Like today's rounds were like they're okay,

657
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: definitely could do better tomorrow. It's like, and your opening

658
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: was so good. Like I'm just like, I don't know,

659
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: we do need to hit it harder. I just don't

660
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: know how else I'm gonna cut my frosted brow. I'm

661
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: only gonna like, I'm gonna make it tight like that guy.

662
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: Maybe you just need to be like was there finger prints? No? Alright? Cool?

663
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: Next on the night there because I keep going just

664
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna just cut out the investigation block to

665
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: the rest of the box. You're right, we know what

666
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: we need to do. It's gonna be good. ALP, my

667
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: kids never do my trial. What do you do? More

668
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: from Class Action after the break. South Dakota is also

669
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: one and one. They lost to UC Berkeley, but coach

670
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: Rose doesn't tell her team it scores during the tournament.

671
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: We spilled the beans to Bailey after the competition. I

672
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: haven't even seen the scorecards. So did they beat us

673
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: in both of those rounds? Sorry? But yeah they did?

674
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: You're kidding. Oh that is such a bummer and kind

675
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: of funny that they won, I remember, but acting that

676
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: came from it, it just seemed fake. And then there

677
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: was a lot of smiling at which I didn't understand

678
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: because it was, you know, a murder trial. I remember

679
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: being shocked during it and just being like, what are

680
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: we going up against? Right now? I think they were polished.

681
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: I'll give them that, like they knew their facts, they

682
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: knew the fact pattern. It was polished. You could tell

683
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: they had prepared, but they didn't prepare in the way

684
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: that South Dakota had prepared. So it shocks me that

685
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: day won. But then they rallied and beat the highly

686
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: ranked University of South Carolina team. You didn't include a

687
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: lot of the evidence that corroborates the Nickpatrick's story, right,

688
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: because you didn't include the defendant cell phone record, No

689
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: I did not. You didn't include anything about the autopsy report,

690
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: No I didn't. Did that feel better? Ibody, feel a

691
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: little better now, right? So good? SHARE's the difference. You

692
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: feel better this afternoon because you chased down the tracks

693
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: when they left them chased down trackable. You guys were

694
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: nervous about that because the time this morning. Don't worry

695
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: about that tomorrow, you know, your arguments, you know your positioned,

696
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: you know where you're going to go. You'll handled that,

697
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: and you ate the puppies without embarrassing them so badly

698
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: that they felt like they were shamed. That closing, sir, Hot,

699
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: damn Hot, damn Brandon, you did that first part of

700
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: the clothes in like nine minutes. Just so you know,

701
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: y'all are great. I'm super duper proud of today. You

702
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: should be super duper proud of today. You, sir that witnessed.

703
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: Would it refresh your recollection if I pointed your right

704
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: to it? And then she took forever and you're like,

705
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: I'll live for you. I think Bill, Yes, Like Holliday

706
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: along twice on Sunday, everybody had moments of real advocacy

707
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: brilliance today. So I called my parents between rounds. So

708
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: right after I argued they've gotten very invested in this.

709
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: They obviously, you know, know about the case, so they

710
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: know that it was a murder trial. And then I

711
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: made the joke to Rose yesterday. I was like, well,

712
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: I want to send my parents a link, but I

713
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: don't think they know how to change their name on Zoom,

714
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna have to teach them how to do that.

715
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: So my wife looks at it as a student organization,

716
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: and she does not understand why there's a podcast following

717
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: us for our student organization. She doesn't understand why there's

718
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: a camera set up for a student organization. She doesn't

719
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: understand why we have to compete in competitions for a

720
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: student organization. She just compares it to like the nursing

721
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: club and undergrad. She's like, I was in whatever club

722
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: and undergrad and we never had to do any of that.

723
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: Why are you doing all this takes up so much time.

724
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: You don't need to be doing that. Breathe the home rest.

725
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna try our case tomorrow. We're gonna handler ship.

726
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna do the same thing all over again. Okay, breathing,

727
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: go fourth, do good things. Any questions you need to

728
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: ask me, I don't know yet. It'll it'll be a

729
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: while before they they announced that as soon as I

730
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: have the pairing, you'll have the pairing. He looks to

731
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: the trunk. They count one, two, three, The trunk pops open,

732
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: and the spotlight of the trunk shines on the victim

733
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: of this case, Mr William Cafierrell, sprawled out bruised, swollen

734
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: lamp and using what little life he has left to

735
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: plead for help. Day two was a letdown for South Dakota.

736
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: They lost a battle against Cumberland again news to Bailey.

737
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: After the round, Justin and I went into one of

738
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: the study rooms at school and he goes, God, that

739
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: was brutal, and I was like, Bill and Brandon just

740
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: slammed them and it was impeaching, it was correcting them

741
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: on the record, it was all of this stuff, and yeah, wow,

742
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: that's all I have to say. And then exhaustion creeped

743
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: in and they lost a top ranked Baylor Luck in

744
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: the next rounds. Everybody but Luck, everybody. You know. It

745
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: was just tears because you put in so much work,

746
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: you have your school's name behind you representing them, so

747
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: it's almost worse than a sports loss. And it was

748
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: worse because there were definitely rounds that we should not

749
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: have lost that we did lose, and that doesn't necessarily

750
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: happen in sports. So that was very, very, very tough,

751
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: and to just kind of feel like we didn't do

752
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: enough for like we've disappointed you know, usd or and

753
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: you know and I know that that is not the case.

754
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: There's just stuff you can't control, but you do take

755
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: it personally, and I definitely did. We're gonna have to

756
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: know who we go against because we're gonna have to

757
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: email them. Jasmine wants to know who we're going to

758
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: go against, and I'm like, I just rather not know

759
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter if we're going to prosecution or

760
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: defense first. Oh well, yeah, I want to know that too.

761
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: But Jasmine's out here like trying to scout people. I

762
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: don't know anything except you ceiling in Baylor. But still

763
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,479
Speaker 1: at St. Mary's, the unforced errors continue for Jason Goss's team.

764
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: He and his wife Maritza can only watch and shake

765
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: their heads. Didn't it weird? So Andy got and he

766
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: got a ten, a nine and a six on our

767
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: closing It every every round ten and nine in a six.

768
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: Every round she has had somebody give her a six.

769
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: What did Jasmine get on her opening? She got an eight,

770
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: a five and a nine in the five the same

771
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: person who gave Andy a six. So that is a

772
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: judge that just did not like us from the beginning.

773
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: From the beginning, head coach A. J. Blito de Luna

774
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: has been following the tournament all weekend. So what do

775
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: you think is going on? I don't know. I don't know.

776
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: I think that they're rattled from the beginning. You know,

777
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: I shouldn't trust us. Yeah, so they're bad so and

778
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: that's going to affect the jury, that's right. Yeah. I

779
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: just don't understand that though, because we don't practice that way.

780
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: So why are they Why is this happening? Now? We'll

781
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: be right back. After the break. St. Mary's is trounced

782
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: by Temple University and completely run out of gas against

783
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: Pace University in New York. The St. Mary's team piles

784
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: into a car and heads to Frida, a restaurant owned

785
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: by Andy's parents. Well, you might want to sit on

786
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: the other side to the Cutch Dour and hutch gosins

787
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: in here, and then a j can have a seat

788
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: if you want to do our servant dream. Oh yes, yeah,

789
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: can I get him tamer? That actually sounds really good?

790
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: What are you getting? I think overall, I'm proud of us.

791
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: I think if we don't break because substantially, substantively we

792
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: were there, but also like we gave it our all

793
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: and we have to learn from our procedural mistakes next time.

794
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: And it's Okay, this is our you know, this is

795
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: the very fun I think I luck looked out. I

796
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: was really stressing playing Nickpatrick just this whole weekend, and

797
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: luckily in both teams where we played I played mckpatrick,

798
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: they didn't go hard nearly as hard as I feel

799
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: like we were across and so I feel like they

800
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: really prepared me for what was to come. So yeah,

801
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean that was my take from today. I can

802
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: read a little easier for now. No one hands happy

803
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: that made it through another day. Um, it's a very

804
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: tired one to recover, but we did so much work

805
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: for two months, very very late nights. I want to

806
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: advance even know it's going to be exhausting next day,

807
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: so we could say, you know, it was more worth it.

808
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: But at the same time, even if we don't break,

809
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: it was a great experience for my first outing for

810
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: law school. A j stops by just in time to

811
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: hear the announcement about which teams will move on. It's

812
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: called making the break. Hi, how are you well? How

813
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: are you than you? Can I get an old fashioned

814
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: please have you right? Thank you? Everyone recording in trump ran,

815
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 1: Welcome every one to the two thousands to one battle.

816
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: Of the experts worst. So I'm really pleased to announced

817
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 1: in the first time becausiding and judge Outstanding Presenting jog

818
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: World goes to Jason Golin. It's a nice picture to

819
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: picture held me. I'm gonna start with our number one seed.

820
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,479
Speaker 1: Um to look my way down to the number four seat.

821
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: Uh the fourteen as a dance and did see there one? Uh?

822
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: This team was the only team to finish for in

823
00:54:52,200 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: twelve year rounds undefeated one. So they were iuted number one.

824
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 1: Hat you only undefeated team, our disfecting champion slave every

825
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: final team or second team returning to the playoffs from

826
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: second trade hereof made it in playoffs. This year's getting

827
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: their teeth in the recipe in differentially Tis T three

828
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: ways eight Imparson baid congratulations data. So it happens just

829
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: like that. So we keep going. You pick up your

830
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: chin and we fight another day. You all have I

831
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: mean you could see it, right, you're wearing it. You're

832
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: wearing your feelings on your sleeves. Right, you could see it.

833
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: This is something that you can use a strength. You

834
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: were not beaten this weekend. It was on forced errors.

835
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: So the question is how do you take this feeling

836
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: and turn it into strength. How do you take this

837
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: feeling and say, no, we're not going to do that again.

838
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: We're better than that. Our coaches believe in us. We

839
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: are better than that. How can we do this differently

840
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: next time? We believe in you, and you're going to

841
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: represent us in Best in Texas, the four of you

842
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: and Mariella, you're going to be an advocate. So all

843
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: four of you, you're gonna be a team. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: It's awesome the whole experience. In surprise, they were like

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Speaker 1: But hopefully I can eat now. So I'm gonna go Okay,

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Speaker 1: our people are crying for quality of love in law,

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Speaker 1: in the exercise of your powerful profession, and the trial

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Speaker 1: season real and mock is underway. Prosecutors, defense attorneys, and

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Speaker 1: judges from around the country are struggling with the weighty

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Speaker 1: issues surrounding the administration of justice. The red mass dates

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Speaker 1: back to the Magna Carta and the advent of jury trials.

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Speaker 1: Our system is not perfect, but hopefully these young attorneys

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Speaker 1: can make a bit of difference. Inspire them with your integrity.

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Speaker 1: Give them what any man or woman can claim from

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Speaker 1: salvation and theirs. Give them yourselves. Act toward them as

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Speaker 1: God has act toward you. Who knows you just might

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Speaker 1: transformed Texas into the Kingdom of God, the Father, the Son,

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Speaker 1: and the Holy Spirit. Glorifying the Lord by your lives,

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Speaker 1: Thanks be to God. I always remind them, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: this is what it's gonna be, guys, this is it you.

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Speaker 1: At least you have the community of being on the

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Speaker 1: team with people who have similar experiences. You will be

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Speaker 1: the only one. Every place that I have ever practiced,

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Speaker 1: I have been the only one on the defense side.

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Bell also with nineteen ranks on the prosecution side

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Speaker 1: from Team in City as Stillard be a Myrn and

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Speaker 1: finally we had a perfect scoring attorney on the defense side, Dillard.

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