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Speaker 2: Honored to be joined by a guy I once knew

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of conversation. I'm sure you hear

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Speaker 1: He goes, hey, they might have this opening year and

434
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Speaker 1: they're creating a general manager role, and I think he'd

435
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Speaker 1: be perfect for it. He goes I know you've met

436
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,159
Speaker 1: Coach Norvell before, but you know, would you be interested.

437
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 1: In the beginning, I was happy. I was like, you know,

438
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 1: I have to hear more about it, but you know,

439
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 1: and then you start thinking, it's you know, Florida state

440
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,399
Speaker 1: and all those things, and what it's going to present.

441
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 1: I I'd never been at that time when that first

442
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: interest phone call happened, I'd never been to the state

443
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 1: of Florida, and so we just so happened to be

444
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 1: going the next week. We were visiting a young man

445
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 1: down in Tampa, and so till the time that I

446
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,880
Speaker 1: stepped foot in Tallahassee, I'd only been in the state

447
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 1: of Florida for about eighteen hours or so. That's it.

448
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 1: Never been to Tallahassee before. And you know, the hardest

449
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 1: thing about it was, I was riding around with Coach

450
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 1: Smith and you know, Mike Marvels call him man, you know,

451
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: it's on Apple car Play, and it's like, hey, what's

452
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: going on there? You're balancing that and both were understanding.

453
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 1: And I've never been the type to try to leverage

454
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,120
Speaker 1: situations in that. I've never believed in it that way.

455
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 1: Just trying to be honest and upfront and looking for

456
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 1: the fit. The fit was there, and so there was

457
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Speaker 1: a couple of face times and there was a couple

458
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Speaker 1: of different phone calls that took place, but there was

459
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: never an interview, really an a formal interview. Coach Schnorbell

460
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 1: was really the only person that I discussed with besides

461
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Speaker 1: Bruce Warwick, and it was an easier process and it

462
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: ended up getting hired luckily, and came out here the

463
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 1: day after signing to in February and landing in tallhass

464
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,679
Speaker 1: him like, Oh, there's not as many palm trees as

465
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Speaker 1: I expected there to be.

466
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Speaker 2: So I've never been there, but I don't think palm

467
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: trees when I think Tallassey. You'd obviously, you know, you

468
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 2: had told me before you had turned down other pretty

469
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 2: prominent jobs when you were at Oregon State, So you

470
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 2: don't know this guy, you know a little bit like

471
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith, clearly a big you know, trajectory's pointing at

472
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Speaker 2: the sky. But besides, just how'd you ultimately make the decision?

473
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: Is it just black and I can't turn down Florida

474
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Speaker 2: State or oh, I've.

475
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Speaker 1: Tried to never make a decision off of money or

476
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: the logo or the play or a place really and

477
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Speaker 1: you know, I think you looked at kind of the

478
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 1: landscape of college football and what it was becoming, and

479
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, trying to align yourself with the university who

480
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: is going to be in those conversations, you know, studying

481
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: the roster of what they were going to have, but

482
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Speaker 1: also understanding the person that you were going to go

483
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: work for and have the pleasure to serve with. You know,

484
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: I can't say enough great things about coach Morvelle and

485
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 1: the things that he's done in Tallahassee in his time

486
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: here and even before. But the man, the character, the integrity,

487
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 1: and the leadership that he provides on a daily basis, Like,

488
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: there's just not a better person that I would want,

489
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Speaker 1: you know, to do that with. And you know, the

490
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: vision that was aligned of what we're trying to create.

491
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: Our athletic director had just been hired the month before

492
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 1: I got here. You know, you or spend the time

493
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: with the Dallas Cowboys, with USC with Alabama and knowing

494
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: what that looks like. The investment that was going to

495
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 1: get continue to pour in. They're just getting ready to

496
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: hire a new president, the new facility that will be

497
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: opened here in twenty twenty five, our new stadium that's

498
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: going to be done in twenty twenty five. We're putting

499
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars of investment in facilities just for

500
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Speaker 1: football in the next eighteen months. That are all happening

501
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 1: right you know, behind me and in front of me

502
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: right now, as I look at my office and so

503
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: you look at all those things align and you're like, hey,

504
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: then you look at the history of Florida State and

505
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: the vision of everything that was getting sold, and you're like,

506
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: this thing is like too good to turn down. I

507
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Speaker 1: don't know how many more of these opportunities I'm going

508
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Speaker 1: to have and took a chance. So far, so good.

509
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say, so you get hired, what's the first task?

510
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: I mean just immediately going to the bunker with coach

511
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 2: and trying to figure out or do you kind of

512
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: have a good idea because you get hired after the

513
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: recruiting When you get.

514
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: Hired, yeah, I got hired after it, got hired earlier

515
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: before the recruiting period closed. Obviously kept it quieter before

516
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: until that broke. You know, first task was really just

517
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: to listen and understand. And I've never been a believe

518
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: a believer in just coming in and let's make wholesale

519
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: changes on everything, because it was clear like there was

520
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: a lot of great things that were already happening. There's

521
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: so many great people involved here. There's so many great

522
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: people doing the right way. But so I wanted to

523
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Speaker 1: come down and I wanted to sit down with everyone

524
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Speaker 1: and just hear everyone's words and you know, thoughts on

525
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Speaker 1: how things were going to be going. Hey, what are

526
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: a couple of ideas of what can improve? Tell me

527
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: things that I need to know that I don't know,

528
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: you know, we're just different things and slight tweaks. And

529
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Speaker 1: so my plan when I sat down with Coach was saying,

530
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna kind of listen for the

531
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Speaker 1: first couple of weeks. Then we're going to slowly implement

532
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: in different changes and things of what I think need

533
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: to be addressed and changed, and then you know, six

534
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: months from then, hopefully it's unrecognizable and we'll make a

535
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: couple couple different weeks. And so we did that, and

536
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, the staff that we had in place that

537
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: was already existing, and the staff that we brought in,

538
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, John Garrett and Justin Krause, arrived at the

539
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: same time with me working on our offense and defensive scouts.

540
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: John's now at Duke as the general manager and JC

541
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: is still here. Both of those guys have a high

542
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: NFL experience, you know. John, you know, had coaching in

543
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Speaker 1: the NFL being a prior head coach, and obviously he

544
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: had spent some time in Corvallis as well. So just

545
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: kind of implementing different things and changes and structures in place.

546
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,239
Speaker 1: And you know, recruiting is just how recruiting comes down

547
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: to communication in my opinion, and personnel and talent evaluation

548
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: is how can you get all parties to be on

549
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: the same page to where everything has you know, the

550
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: same heartbeat and everything is pumping too the same organs

551
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: of what you needed to go to. And so if

552
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Speaker 1: you have a coaching staff as an arm and your

553
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: recruiting staff as an arm and your personnel's staff as

554
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: a leg, you need to make sure that bloods getting

555
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: pumped to the proper places. And so a centralized location

556
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: for all information to be accessible for all and making

557
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: sure language was a force multiplier of having everyone in

558
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: the same evail terminology, you know, the same ranking system,

559
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: the same keys of what we're looking for those player

560
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: profiles of exactly what ideally we want them to look

561
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: like when they we're recruiting them that also look like

562
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: when they're their senior year. And you know, just doing

563
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: some numbers and being analytic, analytically based, because sometimes you

564
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: do go win with a bias, right, but the numbers,

565
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, numbers don't lie, but people do, right, and

566
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: people tweak those numbers, and you know, what do the

567
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: numbers say? Do I feel that same way? But can

568
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: I do a study that might actually confirm or disprove

569
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: what I feel already and try to take as much

570
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: bias out? And how can I be an asset and

571
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: making sure that coach has the best information that he

572
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: can make the best decisions for Florida State in the program?

573
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: So what does a GM do?

574
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to ask that question A lot a

575
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: lot of people have. Man, he got a great job.

576
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: You know, just sit there and watch film and the

577
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: whole I'm like, I wish that was the case. You know.

578
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: The simple way to put it is, you know, making

579
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: sure that we retain and we have the best roster

580
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: every single every single Saturday that we go out there,

581
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: and so constantly improve in the roster. Any way that

582
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: we can improve that, you know, daily, and a couple

583
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: of different ways. That's done in development, that that's done

584
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: in talent acquisition, but that's also done in retention as well.

585
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: And so I think, like when you look at it,

586
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: there's so many people involved. You know, as it comes

587
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: to recruiting, it's not just acquisition, it's how you're marketing yourself, right,

588
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: It's the customer service that you're providing. And our recruiting

589
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: operation staff does a phenomenal job of making sure that

590
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: the experience when someone comes on campus is a first

591
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: clap class experience from the time they step foot to

592
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Speaker 1: the time they leave. Visits Now, especially official visits, it's

593
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: like an all inclusive vacation and it needs to be

594
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: that way. And so if you and I decided, hey,

595
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: let's go down to the Bahamas, we're going to feel

596
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: a certain type of way. If we go to the concierge

597
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: desk and we're not greeted with a smile, well that's it.

598
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: And you need to be on point every single time

599
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: when someone's coming on campus because it needs to be

600
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: serviced with a smile. And so there's a lot of

601
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: intricacies that do go into that, But the oversight is

602
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: something I have the responsibility to have every single day

603
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: of that and making sure we're providing that experience.

604
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: How many people we have working for you?

605
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: We have nineteen full time people and the recruiting personnel

606
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: or scouting staff, and then we have about sixty student

607
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: interns and then about fifteen fifteen content folks.

608
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is I tell people all the

609
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: time the biggest benefit I had was cal Pauly, which

610
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: was really tiny, and when we were at Fresnel State

611
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: wasn't much bigger. And you hear like me, and you're

612
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: a great example, right, you immediately got to do a

613
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: lot as a nineteen year old. How difficult is this

614
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: like the Hunger Games with these guys? Because I would

615
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: imagine a lot of these students on campus aspire to

616
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: have a role like you did or do what I

617
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: ended up doing. How do you? It was just me

618
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: and you? Right? How do you? That's got to be tough?

619
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Speaker 2: I mean are you managing that group? I mean is

620
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: there infighting?

621
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: You know?

622
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: Because just the competition, it's like it's like a separate team.

623
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: And the way the games change, like you need all

624
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: those folks, and you know, even our students, the amount

625
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: that they sacrifice, they choose. Hey, I'm I'm going to

626
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: give up my whole game day so I can put

627
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: Florida State in a better position to recruit someone. And

628
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean when you think about a game day here

629
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Speaker 1: in Tallahassee, like game day is a big event obviously

630
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: the sides of the football game and everything else that

631
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: goes into a heau.

632
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you had twenty people doing it, how

633
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: many applicants do you have for those jobs?

634
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: Last year? So last year we had five hundred people

635
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: that apply to Jamie Jesus and it's it's it's a

636
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: volunteer job too, and so there's five hundred people that

637
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: wanted experience, and you know, and you win obviously people

638
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: want to be a part of things. And because early

639
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: I think the first time when we opened this back up,

640
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: when I've gotten in here, we only had about ten

641
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: to twelve student interns, and I said, okay, we need

642
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: to we need to open this up and create just

643
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: to move people and provide the best experience we can.

644
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: And I think at that time we had thirty applicants.

645
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: And so just getting a word and you know, speaking

646
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: at different classes and advertising that there's forty four thousand

647
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: students that go to Florida State. You know there's people

648
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: big school and be involved, and so how can you

649
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Speaker 1: showcase that and making sure that you're providing an experience.

650
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: But also, you know, I tell them all the time,

651
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: I want them to grow and be better versions of

652
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: everyone around to where hopefully they can learn from some

653
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: of my prior mistakes that I've made and you know,

654
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 1: things I wish I would have done better when I

655
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: was growing up and younger, and you know, here like

656
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm an open book and try to be a resource

657
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: as much as I can. But I think that, you know,

658
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for those individuals that do sacrifice.

659
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: That time when we were at Fresno State, when I

660
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: was there with you, it might have changed when de

661
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: Ruder came in. The coaches would go out in the

662
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: spring and this as well before the transfer portal so

663
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: separate that would bring back you group of guys that

664
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: would fit, you know, the Fresno State level. For then

665
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: Coach Hill myself true whatever to watch can kind of

666
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: whittle down In the NFL, the scouting department watches the

667
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: guys and then whittles it down for the coaching staff.

668
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: How is that? Where are you guys on that, Like,

669
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: your coaches are out spring recruiting. Are they bringing you

670
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: back guys or have you already given them guys to

671
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: go see? Obviously your program is a little unique. You're

672
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: not looking at everybody. How does that play out?

673
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little it's a good question. It's a

674
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: little bit of both. You know, the majority of those

675
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: times that they're going out to see someone, So the

676
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: spring period's changed now they're allowed to have contact with

677
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: the you know, with the juniors, so they're allowed to

678
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: sit down at the school and have actual face to

679
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: face contact with them, which back then you couldn't do.

680
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: This is the first year they're allowing that.

681
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: A guy who's a sophomore now going into his junior year,

682
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: or junior is going into a senior year.

683
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: Junior who's going into a senior year. Okay, And so

684
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: that's a lot of time we're spent there. But also

685
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 1: the evaluation in the spring moments, and you know, if

686
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: there's someone that we're not aware of, obviously that's good

687
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: that they're coming back with the But then we've done

688
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: a poor job on our side of making sure our

689
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: coaches have the best tools to utilize, you know, through

690
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: their resources. But it can happen a couple of different ways,

691
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of you know, it's not the

692
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: days of now with huddle and social media. It's hard

693
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: to find a diamond in the rough because chances are

694
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: he's been watched and evaluated by someone. That does happen.

695
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: But I think the area that we recruit, you know,

696
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of people that go through, so

697
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: there's not many secrets that are left out there.

698
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: What's the kid's name who was distrafted by the Saints

699
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: at Oregon State?

700
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: Tal the ESA Fuaga.

701
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: So when you're at Oregon State, probably a lot of

702
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: similarities to Fresno State. You kind of have to see

703
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: the bigger picture, like a lot of those guys aren't

704
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: getting recruited by you know, programs like Florida State. Now

705
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: in your role, like would you even did you watch

706
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: him in high school?

707
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: So tall? The essay he was when he was actually

708
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: he came out in the class. He was the COVID year,

709
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: he was from Mount Tahoma, He had a lot he

710
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: had the majority of the packed twelve and.

711
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: A lot of so he was a relatively bigger recruit,

712
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: but like, would you guys at Florida State, because you're

713
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: just kind of recruiting the cream of the crop, Like

714
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: how do you balance of like, well, we might have

715
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: something here, but he doesn't have Alabama LSU? Like do

716
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: you guys even concern because that was a famous Sabin thing,

717
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: Like he wasn't as concerned like if he liked the

718
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: guy Atmari Cooper, I don't give a shit that LSU

719
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 2: and George and Florida don't like I've taken him. How

720
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: does the balance of like, well, is this guy quite

721
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: good enough? Or like this our type guy?

722
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna star evaluation and trust our own eyes and

723
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: not We're not going to have lean on anyone else

724
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: to confirm of what we see. And that's one thing

725
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: our coaching staff and coach mornvald Doe a phenomenal job

726
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: of just trusting our own opinions. You know, coach coach

727
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: actually talks about this all the time. You're no one

728
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: is allowed in the evaluation process to bring up a

729
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: kid's stars. And so when you know, if you talk

730
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: to coach about it, eating said, well, he's a forcer

731
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it, I don't care like

732
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: and so we're going to trust our own evaluation in

733
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: the sense of making sure that we're getting the right

734
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: fit for Florida State. And so uh, in all these cases, specifically,

735
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: he'd probably be someone that we would have watched just

736
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: because he would have met the parameters we're looking for

737
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: as far as size it goes, and that offensive tackle

738
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: and defensive end and pass rusher, quarterback and those three

739
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: you'd probably go anywhere in the country to go get

740
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: and we'll go anywhere in the country to go get anyone,

741
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: but those three specifically are so unique that you're willing

742
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: to travel and you're always looking.

743
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: Before we dive into the recent draft class, just on

744
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: Mike Norvel, Obviously you guys had a rough end of

745
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: the season with getting left out and Jordan's injury, but

746
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: pretty clear you had what ten guys drafted. Your team

747
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: was I mean, defensively it was on another level, and

748
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: bringing in key On, I mean, you guys were pretty elite.

749
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: And clearly he's i mean talked about immediately as the

750
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: Alabama replacement when Nick retires. So what's your experience, what's

751
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: your thoughts on coach novel. I know what you've told me. Personally,

752
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 2: you think he's as good of a play caller as

753
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: do you think humanly possible.

754
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: Standing first of all, outstanding personally and the person before

755
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: the coach, like you know, the humility, the leadership, all

756
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: the qualities that he has, you know, just to serve

757
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: others and be around and him and I have gotten

758
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: the ability to be pretty close now, you know, I

759
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: think the world of him as a person, as a father,

760
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: as a husband. But also you know, on top of that,

761
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: like he's one heck of a football coach too, you know,

762
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: the ability to motivate the energy and if you ever

763
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: come to one of our practices, he never stops running.

764
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean he's running the whole time, races the D

765
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: line before every single practice. I mean, he is one.

766
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: But just the ability to instill confidence and the culture

767
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: that he's out layd of Florida State. You know, it's

768
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: something that I'm excited about the future and wants to.

769
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: Come safe to say, practices of Florida State aren't exactly

770
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: a country club when the pads come on.

771
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: No sir, no sir. But besides maybe the weather in October,

772
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, when it's eighty degrees or the high seventies.

773
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: There's nothing country club about this our twenty four period practices.

774
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: Okay, let's really quick, just hit on some of your

775
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: top guys. Verse was already there when you got there.

776
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: Correct, Jared came in and he transferred into January of

777
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two.

778
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: Are you the pro liaison four four to Saint Kewan

779
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: Ratliffe is?

780
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: But I do have some involvement with the with the

781
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: NFL staff that does come in.

782
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: I'd imagine you know a lot of those guys and

783
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: they come to you. Okay, Jared, Verse stories pretty well

784
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: established transfers from Albany former tight end, correct puts on

785
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: a bunch of weight, ends up going to the to

786
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: the LA Rams. What's your scattered report on a pretty

787
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 2: dominant pass rusher for you?

788
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: Jared for outstanding person work, ethic, high motor plays in

789
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: with high high intensity, mounted powerful and as best of

790
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: a bowl Russian I've seen in person time is what

791
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: he does as one arm one arm stuff, two armed stuff.

792
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: He can bowl and overpower you. You know, I'm excited

793
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: to see what his career is going to unfold. Who

794
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: play in the league for a long, long time.

795
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 2: Was he on the fence about coming out two years ago.

796
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: He was on the fence about coming out last year,

797
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, and just made the decision to you know,

798
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: he loved Florida State and who he got to do

799
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: it with. And I think a big part of that was,

800
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's a core group of guys that decided, hey,

801
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: we want to come back after leading into the Bowl game,

802
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: just felt that twenty twenty two could have got gone

803
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, and they wanted to chase something

804
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: and collectively go into an approach and you know, come

805
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: and plug some pieces in and you know, also you know,

806
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: go go acquire some different tw and see what happened

807
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. And you know they did they

808
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: did that on the field.

809
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: So well, this guy's taking the internet by storm. Keon

810
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: Coleman clearly quite the character. I mean, obviously one of

811
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: the more sought after I mean, what would you say

812
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: one of the more sought after guys in last year's

813
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: transfer portal was on everyone's radar. I talked to in

814
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: the NFL coming out of Michigan State and then the

815
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: way that started that game against LSU, and then it

816
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: was on it's kind of crazy. As the season went on,

817
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: it feels like you got dinged for speed. It's funny

818
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: you bring up Davante also a little bit of a

819
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: ding on him. I'd say that's worked out pretty well.

820
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: Uh just what are your thoughts on just his game

821
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: and kind of where he needs to go. Is that

822
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: a fair assessment just separation stuff or just he's a

823
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: young he's twenty years old.

824
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he can separate now. And I think

825
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: with key On too, like last year was really his

826
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: first year that he had a full offseason training because

827
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: he was a basketball player in Michigan State too. I

828
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: mean talking to Tom Izzo and those guys, they said

829
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: he was going to start his junior year versus sophomore year.

830
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: So and you know, you always wonder, okay, you're a

831
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: basketball player. You see the high school highlights, and you

832
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: know it's coming up. Today's the year anniversary. He told

833
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: us that, you know, he was going to come to

834
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: Florida State and made a public the next day. But

835
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: his first event was Memorial Day coach Morvel's house, and

836
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: he reports and he's in skinny jeans, and you know,

837
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: I think it's well documented in what happened. But you

838
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: know there's coach has a basketball who out in front

839
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: of his house and Keon goes out there and skinny jeans,

840
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: no warm up and three sixty windmills of dunk and

841
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh boy, we got one. And but the

842
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: person in the athleticism, that's one thing. Like how smart

843
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: he is and how he studies the game. And you know,

844
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: the first conversation we had on his official visit, he's

845
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: talking about it's like, okay, ke On, like what happens

846
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: if we don't throw you the ball? And goes, well,

847
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna ranch the dB and

848
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna knock him over. He's got family in the

849
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: stands too. And that was his answer. Like he he is,

850
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: study knows it like the back of his hand, understands

851
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: concepts like it's so so smart of how he understands

852
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: the game. I just I truly believe he just scratch

853
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: the surface.

854
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: Well, when's the last time, Josh, I mean, in his

855
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: NFL career hasn't had a guy like this. They've had

856
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: more speed guys. Hey, there there is a guy I

857
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: once heard of that pounded the table for a quarterback

858
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: coming out of junior college and wanted him at Fresno State.

859
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 2: But you know, according to that person, the coaches wouldn't

860
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: listen to him. Is that Is that a true story

861
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: out there in the world.

862
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: We all have misses in Hindsight's twenty twenty. I guess

863
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: not missus, but yeah, I did. The Josh was an

864
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: interesting story. And obviously high school, he came to camps

865
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: all the time from Fireball, and then when when he

866
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: transferred to the junior college, he ended up sprouting up

867
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: and became his current size. And I remember going up

868
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: to Oregon State like, oh, there's two guys and he

869
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: was one of them, and we already had a quarterback

870
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: committed at that time, and so oh for two there's

871
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: a guy on staff that went to Wyoming. He remembered

872
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: the conversations while we got Fresno and that's how he

873
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: ended up getting brought up to Wyoming.

874
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure, you guys, I'm sure. And Recruiting retweeted this

875
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 2: and had it all over your guys social The video

876
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: of the Rams with First running up the stairs and

877
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: McVeigh handing him the phone and Braden Fisk just basically

878
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: breaking down is probably the coolest video of the entire draft.

879
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: Talk to me about him. I guess I wasn't on

880
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: him as much you've described him to me offline. Just

881
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: your thoughts on him as a play and obviously as

882
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: a person. Seemed like a pretty high level dude.

883
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: Together getting ready to go over to an event that

884
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: we had to do, and we remember sitting I remember

885
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm like, gosh, I hope they captured

886
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: that moment. And I hope that you know, Verth got

887
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: on the phone and all of it, because just the

888
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: reaction of what it would have been. And then we

889
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: got to Texas said, hey, Verse, actually they wanted him

890
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: originally to make the call, the very first call from

891
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: the RAMS, and he didn't get there because of traffic

892
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: and you know, just to be a fly on the

893
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: wall and what that is. But Braiden, Braiden came in.

894
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: You know, he gets in the portal coming out of

895
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: coming out and he he had to have shoulder surgery.

896
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: And so that was the very first conversation and coach

897
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: just to let you know, I'm gonna have to have

898
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery. Still want to come down, and you know,

899
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: we battled there. So other schools involved with him and

900
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: he had a lot of great options and brought him

901
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: down here. So his first practice that we actually got

902
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: to see him do anything was the fall camp and

903
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: so you can all see the athleticism what it was

904
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: on tape and whether it's going to be. But the

905
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: very first fall practice, he goes up to Jay and

906
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, it's you and I had never seen

907
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: group like I'm gonna I'm gonna be faster than you.

908
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have more sack, all of it. And so,

909
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, he got to the point and he had

910
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: some goals written up throughout the year and he was

911
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: getting frustrated too, and you know, not that it was

912
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: affecting him, but you know, he wanted so many sacks

913
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: and so many TFLs, and you know, he had good

914
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: years and he had he just didn't have the production

915
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: to necessarily show for it. And so we're through eight

916
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: games and I think he only had half half for

917
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: a TfL. That was it. Well, in the next four

918
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: he absolutely goes on a tear, and the ACC Championship

919
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: goes on a tear. And you know, he works his

920
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: tail off and the effort that he plays with and

921
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, he's his knock obviously. Oh hey, he has

922
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: short arms, but that's not turn on the tape and

923
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: that fifty five was everywhere.

924
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like as a Niner guy. I mean,

925
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: those two guys at a level of physicality and toughness

926
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: that you can't replace with Aaron Donald. But it's pretty

927
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: clear they knew what they were looking for. And I

928
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: know they a lot of people like you can't trade

929
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: up to get fists, But like you said, when you

930
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: pair him with his buddy, I don't know. I think

931
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if these two guys aren't pretty good

932
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: for the Rams, won't you.

933
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: I got a potional on that call, and it was

934
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: just so cool to see my brother and those guys

935
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: were together for a year, and I mean that's it.

936
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: They were together for a year. That's all they spent together,

937
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: and that was the reaction. So I mean it speaks

938
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: to the culture of what coach Morvell's built.

939
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: Okay, the forty nine ers at the end of the

940
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: second round took Ronardo Green, who I think it's safe

941
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: to say as a defensive player, his tape against Neighbors

942
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: in Week one, just in an individual game, is probably

943
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: as good as any and your experience about him, tell

944
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: me about the guy and the player.

945
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't. I mean he's he's such he's so even

946
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: keeled as a corner. I mean, there's no panic in

947
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: his game. He's consistent in his technique. You know, can run,

948
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: can play press man, and I think you look at

949
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: our defense, you know ninety percent of the time we're

950
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: going to play pressman or some version of it, and

951
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: you know that ends up helping those guys. And so

952
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: you had him and you know Jerry and Jerry Jones

953
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: playing playing nickel for us and then ventral cypress on

954
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: the other side, and you know the two corners that

955
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: we have this year are going to be really really

956
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: good as well. But Ernardo is so impressed with you know,

957
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: the growth that he showed and everything, and you never

958
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: had to worry about, right, And it's just like, hey,

959
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: you know that he's going to be out there and

960
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: he's going to make more plays than he gives up,

961
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: and sometimes he might not give up anything.

962
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: Watching just some highlights of him, he seems like a

963
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: pretty tough corner like he ain't afraid, No, he.

964
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: Will stick it in there. He'll be physical, He's not

965
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: afraid of much. And you know, another great, great young man.

966
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: So happy for him, and I'm excited that he gets

967
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: to go out to the left coast now Trey Benson, Yeah, awesome.

968
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: You know Trey going to Arizona. You know, was at

969
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: a Oregon originally transferred at a catastrophic knee injury where

970
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: he did everything. But you know, he got here in

971
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, transferred in from Oregon. You know, he's

972
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: the first person in Florida State history, against Boston College

973
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: in twenty two to run for a touchdown and return

974
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: a kick for a touchdown in the same game. And

975
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: you think of all the great history and of all

976
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: the great players in Florida State, he was the first

977
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: person in history to do that. You know, how he

978
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: carries himself, how professional he is, and just the time

979
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: that he spends. And you know he's run he's a

980
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: bigger back. He runs physical, but he's got true top

981
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: end speed. I mean there's four different times last year

982
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: he's hitting twenty one plus miles an hour in our GPS.

983
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's got all of it. So I'm

984
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: excited for him, and it'll be fun to watch him

985
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: play against Braden Fisk and Jared Versus at least twice.

986
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: Here, Hey went on from a draft standpoint, Jordan Travis,

987
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: who you know that the injury was obviously sucked. I mean,

988
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: if you like football, even if you're not a Florida

989
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: State fan, that was awful. Obviously his medical must be

990
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: going pretty well to get drafted. Just he when was

991
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: healthy last year, you guys were, I mean, let's face it,

992
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: a national title contender and then he goes down. What

993
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 2: just what's your thoughts on Jordan Trouse before him?

994
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: And you know, I think you know Jeordan you look

995
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: at the type leader he is and the type of person.

996
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: You know, the quarterback stuff speaks for itself, but you

997
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: know the ability that he has to extend plays, to

998
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: create plays when something's not there, but also you know,

999
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: pushing the fall fall down field. And you know, I

1000
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: think he's only he again is only probably scratching the

1001
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: surface too and what he's going to be. But you know,

1002
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: spoke to him a couple of days ago and just

1003
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: his recovery of what that's going to be, and they

1004
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: expect him to kind of be cleared for fall camp.

1005
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: How long did the the final four? That video went

1006
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: pretty viral of your players in my How long did

1007
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: that linger? Just in the program?

1008
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was hard for it to linger.

1009
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean I look back in December and coaching. I

1010
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: talk about this often. That was probably one of the

1011
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: more challenging times that I've been a part of, just

1012
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: in anything in life. So we get back from the

1013
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: a SEC Championship. I think I got back to my

1014
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: house at four thirty in the morning, and so we're

1015
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: in the selection show at eleven am eleven thirty the

1016
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: next day. Yeah, and you have no insights, contrary to

1017
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: what people think, like, no one knows what's going to happen,

1018
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: there's no tips, there's no hey, at least one person

1019
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: in your an athletic department knows. No one knows. And

1020
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: so that was truly the live and row reaction. Well,

1021
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: coach and I had to be out on the plane

1022
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: We're going out recruiting, and I traveled with him when

1023
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: we go out recruiting. We were out on the plane,

1024
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: you know, three hours later from that. And so just

1025
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: for our team to have that, and we had five

1026
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: coaches that were on the road that had left Charlotte

1027
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: and stayed overnight that were going to different locations because

1028
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: we're right in the middle of a contact period as well.

1029
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: And there's one of our coaches who had landed and

1030
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, he just saw and didn't think anything of it,

1031
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: didn't really know the semi final locations, and he's like, oh, okay,

1032
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: we're playing Georgia and didn't realize. Still someone at the

1033
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: rental car attendant man Florida State you all got you know,

1034
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: that's messed up. He's like, what are you talking about?

1035
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: We're playing Georgia and then he looks down and that's

1036
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: how he found out. And so there's different ways that

1037
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: found out. I just feel so bad for our players

1038
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: and the opportunity that you know, should have been there.

1039
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: But you know, that is history, and that was in

1040
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. We're on the twenty twenty four now

1041
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: for sure.

1042
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: How many GMS travel with their coach? Why can you do?

1043
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: But I think a few guys do. I think the

1044
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: amount of conversations that that happen, it's important in the

1045
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: amount of ever changing roster. But there's also a lot

1046
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: of trust and the confidence that we have in our

1047
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: office here to make sure everything's run right. But you know,

1048
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: the the ever changing roster and being able to be there.

1049
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: That does save a lot of phone calls.

1050
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: How often you guys run into like Kirby Smart or

1051
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: link if It or Nick Saban or these guys. Do

1052
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: you guys cross paths a lot? Or is it pretty

1053
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: not very often?

1054
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: Because when I go out on the road, I'm not

1055
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: allowed to go win anywhere. So I just sit in

1056
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: the car and you know, turn on the turn on

1057
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: the internet, or answer different calls or checking with our

1058
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: coaches just to make sure I can provide those updates.

1059
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a couple of times you do

1060
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: cross some people, but not not very often. And we didn't.

1061
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: We didn't very much last year.

1062
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: Okay, looking at the draft, you lost a lot, you know,

1063
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: two defensive linement high your star receiver, your quarterback, you're

1064
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: running back, you're starting two corners. You're going to be

1065
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: a five team. Is it easier to transition now with

1066
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: the transfer portal? Obviously you bring in DJ Is that

1067
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: I am saying that?

1068
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: Right?

1069
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: Who ungay?

1070
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: Who? Well close, we'll get you there.

1071
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: So talk to me about the transition. Expectations are going

1072
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: to be high, playoffs expand, so that's we can breathe

1073
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: a little easier, you would have you would have been

1074
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: in Uh, how did you Let's start with the quarterback.

1075
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: How do you you need a quarterback? How'd you pick him?

1076
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: How does that transpire?

1077
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking for the fit and obviously our quarterback room.

1078
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: You know, brock Lynn, you know, played playing a few

1079
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: games for us last year, started the a SEC Championship,

1080
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: started the bowl game against Georgia, and played in some

1081
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: other games. And you know, just where we were age

1082
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: wise and everything, We're always going to take the best

1083
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: fit in what made the most sense for us to do.

1084
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: We had another young man that decided to transfer out,

1085
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: and so there was a need there in our quarterback room.

1086
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: And you know, the more and more we got involved

1087
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: with dj, the more we liked what we saw and

1088
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: just the ability for for what he is and being

1089
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: able to push the ball downfield and you know, match

1090
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: up with the receivers that we had coming in or

1091
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: that were we were actively going to get. You know,

1092
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm just excited of what he is as a player,

1093
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: and you know, just being out there for spring and

1094
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: you know, he can push the ball, he can make

1095
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: off the throws, he's athletic, he can extend. I mean

1096
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: he he's got as strong as an arm as I've

1097
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: as I've been around, and I mean that's all the

1098
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that we've been around, and so I think he's

1099
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: just I'm excited to see him in this offense, that's

1100
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: for sure.

1101
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: I mean it's safe to say. I mean, you could

1102
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: argue Florida State has been as successful as any of

1103
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: these last couple years in the transfer portal, right, and then.

1104
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: That's you know, coach coach Norton starts and stops the

1105
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: coach Nortvelle. I mean, he does an outstanding job evaluating.

1106
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: But just talent is one thing, but fit is a

1107
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: whole another, and just getting the right fit is important

1108
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: for us.

1109
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: Do you automatically look at a guy or does he

1110
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: have to reach out to you? Like if I'm a transfer,

1111
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: if I'm a starter at Fresno State and you know

1112
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: nothing about me, whether or I'm good or bad, I'm

1113
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: just a starter. It's Florida State looking at him? Or

1114
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 2: does there does it have to be powerful? How does

1115
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: that play out? Because there's every names to get thrown

1116
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 2: in there.

1117
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: We have a couple different processes and there's a lot

1118
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: of there's many people that are involved and making sure

1119
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: we're always evaluating what's around us, what's in our conference.

1120
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: Maybe someone we had a previous relationship with, or someone

1121
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: who you know might be Hey, we've heard whispers that

1122
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: they're looking to go into the portal. So there's an

1123
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: evaluation in database, much like the NFL was in your time. Right,

1124
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: there's a there's a per side, and there's a college side.

1125
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: For us, there's a high school side, and there's a

1126
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: there's a college side.

1127
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: Is that easy to manage for you now or still

1128
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: a lot?

1129
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: There's great people that I get to work with every

1130
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: single day that that do make it easy.

1131
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: What do you got to do the rest of the spring? Now,

1132
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: you guys done?

1133
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting ready. We got official visits coming up

1134
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: in the month of June. We got high school camps

1135
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: in the month of June. So we got some other

1136
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: guys that are coming by and getting ready for everything

1137
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: that the month of June does present.

1138
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: You better have a smile on your face when they

1139
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: show up. Absolutely well, good luck, Derek, And who knows,

1140
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 2: maybe next time I talk to you, you're a national champion.

1141
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, one game at a time. Right now, we

1142
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: open up at Georgia Tech in Ireland in August and

1143
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: looking forward to that event.

1144
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: You're going to Ireland to open it up.

1145
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get to go to Ireland.

1146
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. Well, I mean safe to say you

1147
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: made the right decision at Florida State. Congrats on all

1148
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: your success. Man, it's been really really cool to watch,

1149
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: and I watch all your games now and follow you

1150
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: guys program closely. So keep crushing it, bro, You're an inspiration.

1151
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure to a lot of people listening to this

1152
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: that want to get involved in football. And there's never

1153
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: been a better time because all these opportunities in college

1154
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: that didn't exist ten years ago. Now you've got the

1155
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 2: NFL and college football, and obviously there's just more college

1156
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: football teams. So it's you're crushing, bro. Keep it rolling.

1157
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: You know, when most of us first start playing sports,

1158
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: Little league, pop warners, you name it, hockey, soccer, whatever.

1159
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 2: Like any little kid, you emulate the stars on television.

1160
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 2: When I was a kid in little league, everyone had

1161
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: a batting stance that was like Ken Griffey Junior. I

1162
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: personally batted like Jay Buhner. Didn't even know it was

1163
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: going to be bald at the time. Didn't work. I

1164
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: was terrible at baseball or in basketball. You tried to

1165
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: be like Michael Jordan or Penny Hardaway or whoever the

1166
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: cool players were in the mid nineties, and it's no

1167
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: different now. You emulate the stars on television. It's why

1168
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: Steph Curry and basketball everyone shooting threes. If you were

1169
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: a golfer in the early two thousands, you wanted to

1170
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: be just like Tiger Woods, but you wanted to play

1171
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: like them. You didn't think about like, oh, this guy

1172
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: makes all this money, because that's not usually how little

1173
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: kids think. Even through junior high and high school, you

1174
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: just wanted to emulate the best players because it was

1175
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: fun playing sports. You're playing with your buddies. You may

1176
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: be good, you may not be good. It's just enjoyable.

1177
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: You truly are playing for the love of the game.

1178
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: And that is basically how every athlete starts playing for free.

1179
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 2: It's just enjoyable, and if you're good at it, colleges

1180
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: start recruiting you. You can go play Division one college sports.

1181
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 2: It's even that much more enjoyable now in this modern

1182
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: time with nil money starts immediately. But in my era,

1183
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 2: and honestly previously to like three four years ago, it

1184
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: was just like, I'm really good at sports. I want

1185
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: to keep playing. I enjoy this. So I think most

1186
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: athletes at the professional level all have the same baseline.

1187
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: I started playing because I was good at it, I

1188
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: enjoyed it, and I love the game. Now. As you

1189
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: get older, like in any big business, you become jaded,

1190
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: and elements of money come in, but at your core,

1191
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: probably more than all of us in all of our

1192
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: given jobs, where money and revenue is a huge part

1193
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: of our daily vocabulary in how we operate, it's not

1194
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: really like that in sports, especially if you play professional baseball,

1195
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: professional basketball, or in the NFL, because you're not worried

1196
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: about the revenue growth it's flowing. So Dak Prescott, who

1197
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: polarizing player for sure, because he makes a ton of

1198
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 2: money and is in line for another large contract, whether

1199
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: the Cowboys end up extending him or whether they let

1200
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: him play this year out and he hits free agency.

1201
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 2: We've just seen Kirk Cousins get a lot of money.

1202
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: Dak would get more. He's younger and he's healthy, assuming

1203
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: he doesn't get injured this year, So the money's going

1204
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: to be there no matter what. And at this current

1205
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 2: time in twenty twenty four. Dak Prescott has generational wealth.

1206
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: He's made hundreds of millions of dollars. He's made one

1207
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty million dollars on his last contract alone

1208
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: and then being the Cowboys' quarterback. Give it how many

1209
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: commercials we've all seen him and I can't even imagine

1210
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: how much he's made off the field. So whether he

1211
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: played another snap in football ever, again, money's never going

1212
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: to be an issue. So when Dak Prescott said I

1213
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: don't play for the money, that is not the reason

1214
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: I play football. I do at his core believe him.

1215
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: Here's the problem, Like I don't believe Peyton Manning started

1216
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: playing football for money, like I just said, idolized his dad,

1217
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 2: was good at it, became a star. But by early

1218
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: on in his Colt's career, Tom Condon representing him, they

1219
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:01,479
Speaker 2: took every penny possible because money for a player does

1220
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: equate to respect, right, And he's looking at all these

1221
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: other players. Let's use Jared Goff as an example. I

1222
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: want more money than that guy, but that's not the

1223
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 2: reason these guys play. And I think you go all

1224
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: over the NFL with guys making a ton of money

1225
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: like did Nick Bosa and Christian McCaffrey, and Jason kelcey

1226
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: and Travis Kelcey and Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen list

1227
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 2: off all the Pro Bowl elite players. They do. They

1228
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 2: play football for money. Patrick Mahomes is a good example,

1229
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 2: signed for four hundred and fifty dollars several years ago,

1230
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: is making a boatload off the field, has more money

1231
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: than he ever dreamed of having. Yet when you watch

1232
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: him play, you go, this is this guy looks like

1233
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: he's playing for a contract. His effort, his energy clearly,

1234
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 2: how hard he works, how serious he takes his craft.

1235
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 2: So I think most good players in the NFL at

1236
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: their core don't play football necessarily for money. But the

1237
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: way the businesses, the setup of player contracts, it is

1238
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: based on respect. So most of these guys, once they

1239
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: get to their mid to late twenties and are on

1240
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: their second contract, have an unlimited amount of money, where

1241
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 2: especially at the high end, guys where they never think

1242
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: about it. They want this house, they could get it.

1243
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: They want to take this vacation, they can do it.

1244
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: Their family can do basically whatever they want. This private school,

1245
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: we can do this, we can do that. But like

1246
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: when it comes to contract time, I want to be

1247
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: paid more than this guy. It's really no different than

1248
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: all of our jobs. If all this information was public,

1249
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: if you knew the dude next to you at the

1250
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: cubicle that you are better than at your job you

1251
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: make more money for the company was making twenty five

1252
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: percent more than you, you'd probably have an issue with it.

1253
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: But if you don't know, and you're highly compensated and

1254
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 2: business as well, you're fine. Part of the issue here

1255
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: is everything's public. Everyone knows how much everyone makes, which

1256
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: is not normal basically in every industry. Yet in football,

1257
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: with the players, everyone knows to the penny what the

1258
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: other guy is making, how much their bonus is, how

1259
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: much their guaranteed money is, what their cash flow is,

1260
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 2: what their actual contract is, word for word, line for line.

1261
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: There was an article on The Athletic within the last

1262
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: three or four months about the uphill battle assistant coaches

1263
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: in the NFL have had to fight to learn what

1264
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 2: other assistant coaches are making. And they have got together

1265
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: doing this thing at the combine where they kind of

1266
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: huddle up and tell each other their salaries so they

1267
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: know when they're negotiating for themselves because without it, you're

1268
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: kind of flying blind. You're like, yeah, they're offering me

1269
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 2: four hundred grand, it's incredible. Well, it's like the average

1270
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: position coach with your level of tenure in the National

1271
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 2: Football League who's having success makes six hundred and fifty grand.

1272
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: So you are vastly underpaid relative to your job. But

1273
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: if you don't know that, it might be a lot

1274
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: of money to you. And the players don't have to

1275
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: worry about that because they know exactly how much everyone makes.

1276
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: So it gets complicated. Business is complicated, it's emotional, it's cutthroat,

1277
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: and for most of us, right like, money matters because

1278
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: you got to pay the bills, you got to feed

1279
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: your children. Like with inflation, most human beings, I mean,

1280
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: the medium income in America is like sixty grand, sixty

1281
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars, and depending on where you live, you

1282
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: could make one hundred and fifty grand and it be

1283
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: equivalent to that because you live in San Francisco, you

1284
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 2: live in Los Angeles, you live in New York, you

1285
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: live in some of these places that are very very expensive.

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01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: I've always said this money's all relative. But in the

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01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: NFL with the highest paid positions, when you're a pro

1288
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: Bowl level player. It's about ego because you don't necessarily

1289
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: need the money to live. When you're talking about a

1290
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: third contract, you've already made a ton of cash. But

1291
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: it is about respect. So I saw a lot of

1292
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: takes flying around that he's full of shit, he's dis ingenuous.

1293
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: I do believe him. I think Dak Prescott, like the

1294
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: majority of good players in the NFL, play football one

1295
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: because they're good at it. Two they enjoy it. It's

1296
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: fun to do what you're good at, especially in a

1297
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: public forum where millions of people watch and everyone knows

1298
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 2: your name. Even if when you have shitty games, everyone

1299
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: one has a negative take and a criticism toward you,

1300
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 2: it still beats being a plumber, as Belichick said. But

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01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: this is all about ego, and this is all about

1302
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 2: respect relative to his peers, right, And that's what I

1303
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: think this comes down to and why it makes it

1304
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: a pretty complicated case. And when you're not an elite guy,

1305
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: which Dak is not, which Cousins is not, and your

1306
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: team is not winning big they think twice. It's why

1307
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: Minnesota ultimately let Cousins walk. It's why Dallas is kind

1308
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: of in this predicament with Dak Prescott. You know, teams

1309
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 2: that don't think twice the bills with Josh Allen, the

1310
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: Chiefs with Mahomes. You're like, well, the Ravens did with Lamar.

1311
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: Not really. They gave him like two hundred million dollars,

1312
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 2: so it's like they ultimately cut the check and probably

1313
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 2: a little more contentious than some of these other contracts,

1314
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: but it was a you know, unique situation, especially after

1315
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: he got injured that last year. And I bet they

1316
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: do we re credit playing it out the way they did,

1317
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: because they probably could have got him a little cheaper

1318
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: if they had done it earlier, but ultimately got done.

1319
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson was never going anywhere else, and that's usually

1320
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: the case with the high high end guys. Everyone else like, yeah,

1321
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: do I really want to pay you fifty million dollars

1322
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: when we can't win a playoff game and you don't

1323
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: play well in those spots, Like it's a legitimate conversation.

1324
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: But whether the Cowboys pay him or whether another team

1325
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: pays him, he's gonna be a rich guy who gets

1326
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: even richer. I think it's pretty funny that once something

1327
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: gets established like this is difficult, it's difficult forever it's like, yeah,

1328
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 2: things kind of change. Like back in the day twenty

1329
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: twenty five years ago, whenever Hard Knocks first started, it

1330
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: was probably very intrusive to have multiple cameras following you

1331
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: everywhere around when I was a kid, my mom to

1332
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: get the pictures, I don't even know the right adjective

1333
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: to this describe it published. You would have to go

1334
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: to Long's Drugs in the middle of Davis and wait

1335
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: a couple of days, and then they would have your photos.

1336
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: Remember those things if you're my age year older, those

1337
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: three ring binders that you'd all have. Whenever you go

1338
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 2: to Famili's houses, they'd all have all your friends just

1339
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: full of photos. Now that's called the iPhone. And I

1340
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: had some friends that had personal recorders, some like legit cameras.

1341
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 2: They were pretty big handheld cameras. Again, all on the iPhone.

1342
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: Press conferences and media and all that stuff used to

1343
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: be a really really big deal. Now I think all

1344
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: these guys are really numb to it because one think

1345
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 2: how many teams. I'm pretty sure every single one puts

1346
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: out like in depth videos leading up through free agency,

1347
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 2: the draft, and then on draft night with their own

1348
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: camera crew. Camera boom, mic. I watched the Jags in

1349
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 2: trimbalk last night. There's a fucking boom mic in the

1350
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 2: draft room. I haven't been in the draft room for

1351
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: a while, but it wasn't in nineteen ninety seven, in

1352
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: the twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, and the Eagles were on

1353
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 2: the forefront of this, with cameras, with in house production,

1354
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: none of that existed. What I'd say, for the last

1355
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: several years, all the teams in the league are all

1356
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: doing it. So the coaches are kind of numb to

1357
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: being miked up and having a camera around them in

1358
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 2: their own building. Most of you, I would imagine listening,

1359
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: haven't been to like an NFL press conference, But if

1360
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: you go to one with a coach and definitely a

1361
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: player in a locker room, every single person interviewing them

1362
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: basically has their camera up in the light on and

1363
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: these players are so numb to it. Everything they do

1364
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: on record is on camera. So forever, this notion was like, oh,

1365
01:04:54,160 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 2: the intrusive nature of hard knocks, the cameras mics. That

1366
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: probably was true in two thousand and six. It was

1367
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: a lot because you weren't used to seeing people walk

1368
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: around with cameras beside on game day. Well, in twenty

1369
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: twenty four, I go to the local deli and three

1370
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: people are filming themselves eating a roast beef sandwich. Times

1371
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: have changed, and no one knows that more than players

1372
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: and coaches. So Hard Knocks probably used to be a

1373
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 2: major pain in the ass. Obviously it's not ideal, but

1374
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: I think it's never been less of a hindrance on

1375
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 2: the operation of training camp. And here's the other thing.

1376
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: And I've been saying this for a while. Heart Listen,

1377
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: I Hard Knocks is not for me. It is no

1378
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: longer for me. It doesn't mean because of this job.

1379
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: Definitely last year with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets and

1380
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: this year with Caleb Williams. I'm gonna watch because that's

1381
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: kind of what I do for a living, though I

1382
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 2: don't really like it, because the Hard Knocks I grew

1383
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: up on, like most people in the two thousands, was

1384
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 2: so all real and authentic. You got inside the coaches

1385
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 2: in front office, the roundtable of the meetings about personnel

1386
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: and them essentially talking shit about guys who to cut,

1387
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 2: what was gonna go on, because that's really what happens.

1388
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 2: You no longer get any of that watching the Turk

1389
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 2: go get guys. You barely see that anymore. You get

1390
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 2: a little taste of it, but I would say relative

1391
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 2: to what it used to be, it's been cut by

1392
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 2: like ninety percent. So to me who's also worked in

1393
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 2: it and seen what really gets said and the way

1394
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: people really talk, it doesn't do much for me. But

1395
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: maybe I'm not the audience anymore, and that's okay. But

1396
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 2: I understand the power of the NFL, the popularity of

1397
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 2: the NFL. It used to just be training camp Hard Knocks,

1398
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 2: four or five episodes. Now they're literally having an off

1399
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: season Hard Knocks with the New York Giants and then

1400
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: they're gonna have an season Hard Knocks with some team,

1401
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: so basically going year round while all these teams are

1402
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 2: doing in house production that is kind of similar. So

1403
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: we are inundated with content, which is cool. Like, I'm

1404
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: not pushing back against that, but Hard Knocks to me,

1405
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 2: used to be something very different than it is now.

1406
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: Obviously the power of social media seeing guys cut. Teams

1407
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 2: are very sensitive to that, and I understand from their end,

1408
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 2: like I don't want you in when the GM and

1409
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 2: the coach are talking about who's being shitty and who's

1410
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 2: not gonna make the team. But we did used to

1411
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 2: get that twenty years ago. At least it felt like

1412
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: we got a lot more because we did. Now we don't,

1413
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,439
Speaker 2: and I don't expect that this fall. But it's also

1414
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 2: why these player excuse me. The players, they don't really care,

1415
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 2: but the coaches in GM, especially Ryan Poles, who's not

1416
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: some big like talking to the media all the time. Guy,

1417
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 2: it's surely not gonna like this, but he full editorial control,

1418
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: like they're not gonna post anything he doesn't want them

1419
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 2: to post in the show. So I'm sure the reaction

1420
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 2: inside hallis Hall today is like this sucks. Eber Flu's polls.

1421
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 2: Ian Cunningham is assistant GM. But at the end of

1422
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: the day, I actually think it could be pretty good

1423
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 2: in the sense of, like, you got a lot of

1424
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: buzz on your team. People want to see Caleb Williams.

1425
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 2: This franchise has been down at what feels like for

1426
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: a long time, and now a lot of people are

1427
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 2: very interested in your operation. The other thing is like

1428
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: Hard Knocks was always a death sentence, like if you

1429
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 2: went on Hard Knocks, you were gonna suck. Well two

1430
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 2: years ago, the Lions went on Hard Knocks. It was good,

1431
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 2: mainly because Dan Campbell and I usually think the strength

1432
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 2: of a Hard Knocks is the head coach. If the

1433
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 2: head coach is a big personality, it can carry the show.

1434
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 2: Remember Bill O'Brien, Rex Ryan. Obviously, Dan Campbell, to me

1435
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 2: it was more enjoyable than the Jets last year with

1436
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: the Solas. He's just not as entertaining that way. And

1437
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 2: I don't expect eber Flus to you know, be Leo

1438
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 2: DiCaprio behind the camera. But the thing with Hard Knocks

1439
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, the Lion started I think

1440
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,759
Speaker 2: one in five, but by the end of the season,

1441
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 2: when they beat the Packers in Aaron rodgers last game,

1442
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 2: they clearly were one of the better teams in the

1443
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 2: league that second half. And if you take the second

1444
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 2: half of last season and then this season, you could

1445
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 2: make the argument that only the Chiefs and Niners have

1446
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 2: been better during that time. Obviously, last year, the moment

1447
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers Achilles rips in half their season was over,

1448
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 2: it had nothing to do with the cameras or the microphones.

1449
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 2: Now were they going to be as good as people

1450
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 2: like me thought? Who knows? It could have been a

1451
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: major struggle with their offensive line, and maybe they wouldn't

1452
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 2: have been as good. They clearly would not as been

1453
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: as bad as they were with Zach Wilson, right, but

1454
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 2: would they have been a legitimate playoff tender. No one

1455
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 2: will ever know. We'll get to potentially see this year

1456
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 2: if he can stay healthy. But I don't think hard

1457
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 2: Knocks has any impact on your success or failure once

1458
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,440
Speaker 2: the season starts, because I think looking back, the distraction

1459
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 2: was probably a big deal. Guys weren't his focus. Guys

1460
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 2: were screwing around, Guys were trying to be actors for

1461
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: the camera. Like I said, I think most of these guys,

1462
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 2: I mean think how Caleb Williams has been in the

1463
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 2: spotlight for probably like five years. He was one of

1464
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 2: the biggest recruits in the country. He then went to

1465
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: Oklahoma where he was trying to beat out Spencer Rattler,

1466
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 2: who's now an NFL player, and then he transferred to

1467
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 2: usc probably at least so far an unprecedented ANIL deal.

1468
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 2: What Jayden Rashott I thought he was getting from Florida,

1469
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: Caleb actually got that in southern California. So these used

1470
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: to the camera being around all these guys are numb

1471
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 2: to it. Hell, Keenan Allen's bet on this before the

1472
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 2: Chargers when they had the dual hard knocks with the Rams.

1473
01:10:56,240 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: So I think this is really overblown. Now, I said,

1474
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 2: I understand being a team, you'd rather not have it

1475
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 2: than have it, But I don't think it's anywhere near

1476
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 2: what it once was, you know, like when I was

1477
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 2: in college in two thousand and five.

1478
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: The volume