1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Welcome in our number two Thursday edition, Clay Travis buck 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: We are rolling through here. Several stories still to hit. 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: The Leah Thomas, that is the Will Thomas male swimmer 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: who decided to be a woman, tried to get into 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: the Olympics, finally gets shot down. We'll talk about that 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: in a little bit, but this Georgia case. Nathan Wade 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: did an interview with Caitlin Collins on CNN last night 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: and it was very strange. They left the cameras rolling. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: I watched this buck They left the cameras rolling, and 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: Nathan Wade's attorney stops the interview. He gets unmiked. He 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: walks into the corner to go have a conversation about 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: presumably what he could and could not say about his relationship. 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: But he's saying things that are untrue, and so I 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: think this is important. Supreme Court cases coming down tomorrow, Thursday, Friday. 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: Basically the rest of the month. We still have not 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: gotten the decision on presidential immunity, which is probably as 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: certainly as it pertains to twenty twenty four. The biggest 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: of the decisions that are out there. But if Nathan 20 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: Wade hadn't had a relationship with Fanny Willis, I think 21 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: there is a chance that they would be trying to 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,919 Speaker 1: rush through this case in Georgia before the twenty twenty 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: four elections, no doubt, based on the timing that was 24 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: the goal. Now I think it's going to get all 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: roped in with the presidential immunity case because while it's 26 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: been brought in Georgia state courts, it deals, I think, 27 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: pretty directly with the powers of the presidency itself, and 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: so I think this whole case is going to get tossed. 29 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: But if Nathan Wade hadn't slept with Fanny Willis, Fanny 30 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: Willis could have slept with basic any one of age 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: on the planet except for one of the men that 32 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: she was employing on her case, and there would have 33 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: been no issues at all. But Nathan Wade told Caitlyn Collins, 34 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't think that my involvement here had any issue 35 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: at all and hasn't caused any delay. This is a 36 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: crazy argument to make here. He has cut fourteen. 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: I don't believe my role, my actions played a role 38 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: in it at all. I think that this is more 39 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 2: of the same. It's a delay, delayed delay kind of thing. 40 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: But Donald Trump is one of those who is seeking 41 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: to disqualify the district attorney Fannie Willis from this. So 42 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: essentially he's not going to trial before November twenty twenty four. 43 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 3: And you don't think that your actions played any role 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: in that. 45 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: I don't. 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: I think that the goal was to have this dog 47 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: and pony puppet show base it on things that were 48 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: not relevant to the indictment. 49 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: Okay, is he dumb or is he just lying? And 50 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: the answer may be both. If he hadn't slept with 51 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: Fanny Willis, this case would be much further along than 52 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: it is right now. Again, I think it's gonna get 53 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: tossed because I think it's gonna get swept up in 54 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: the presidential immunity ruling. But how can he argue that 55 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: sleeping with Fanny Willis hasn't created a substantial delay in 56 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: this process. I'm not even sure what argument he's trying 57 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: to make here. When you hear that buck, what is 58 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: he even trying to say, certainly not taking any responsibility 59 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: for the relationship itself or sleeping with his boss, which 60 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: is a big no no, while getting paid seven hundred 61 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. This is weird again. He I presume has 62 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: been requested for interviews quite a lot. I know he 63 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: went on MSNBC recently. He's choosing to sit with CNN 64 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: and do this conversation and he doesn't have to do it. 65 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: This is not a crazy question. I don't even understand 66 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: what he's trying to argue here. What am I missing? 67 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: I think he just wants to be able to go 68 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 4: on TV and give his side of things. And look, 69 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 4: I I'm gonna be honest. It doesn't go to the 70 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 4: guilt or innocence of the defendant in this case that 71 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 4: he was having an affair at the prosecutor. But the 72 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 4: system we have, the law is the law. Prosecutorial misconduct 73 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: on a case can create conflicts of interest and other 74 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 4: challenges that would affect whether the state is getting a 75 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 4: fair shake in this as well as the defendant. And 76 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 4: that is why the appeals court will be looking at 77 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: Fannie Willis's conduct, and that the only reason this is 78 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 4: a problem at all. Really, Like, it's funny because we 79 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 4: kind of lose sight of this. If this were a 80 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 4: normal criminal proceeding, right, yes, you'd say, all right, they're 81 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 4: gonna they're the judges are gonna look at whether the 82 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 4: prosecutor has to be removed or or whatever. They don't 83 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 4: even know. Maybe she won't be removed. In fact, I'm 84 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 4: skeptical that she will be, but who knows. But the point, 85 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 4: Clay is that they want this to happen on a 86 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 4: certain timeline, and because their political needs don't align with 87 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 4: the timeline of the justice system in this case, that's 88 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 4: why they're all upset about it. 89 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? 90 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: This shouldn't be a big deal at all, Right, so 91 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 4: they're looking at this, they're going to make a decision. 92 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 4: The reason they are freaked out is because due process 93 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: for the defendant in this case slows things down. They 94 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 4: aren't okay with due process if it means that Donald 95 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: Trump isn't getting screwed over by whatever it is that 96 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 4: they're doing, which goes to exactly how little they care 97 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 4: about justice and how much politics is driving all of this. 98 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: I don't remember the last time I saw somebody in 99 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: the middle of an interview say stop it. This is 100 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: what happened. See an end of their credit kept the 101 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 1: cameras rolling. Nathan Wade has asked a question pretty basic 102 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: When did your relationship with Fanny Willis start? Caitlin Collins 103 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 1: asked the question. Listen to the reaction, when. 104 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 3: Did the romantic relationship between the two of you start? 105 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, we get into. 106 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: There's been this effort. 107 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: To to to say that, Okay, these these exact dates 108 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: are are are at issue, and these exact dates are 109 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: I'm getting I'm getting signaled here. 110 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: Everything. Okay, just to revisit the question, it was to 111 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 3: clarify when the romantic relationship started and when it ended. 112 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: Sure, So you know, I believe that the public has 113 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: through uh, through the testimony and other interviews, the public 114 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: has a clear snapshot that this is clearly just a distraction. 115 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: It is not a relevant issue in this case. And 116 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 2: I think that we should be focusing on more of 117 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: the facts and the indictment. 118 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: In the case. Okay, so we push those two together. 119 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: If you actually watch the video, and I would encourage 120 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: the Clay and Buck team to share this video. What 121 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: happens is when he says, and you heard him say, 122 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm getting signaled someone off camera that he came to 123 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: the interview with told him to stop the interview. They 124 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: leave the cameras rolling Nathan Wade takes off all of 125 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: his all of his mics and everything else, goes into 126 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: the corner and has a private conversation with this guy. 127 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: They leave the cameras rolling. Then he comes back and 128 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: sits down and tries to answer that question. So my 129 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: presumption is that they were concerned that he's going to 130 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: perjure himself over when this relationship started. But again, he 131 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: chose to do this interview and he's still creating message 132 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: for himself. 133 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 4: But this is also going to how I think the 134 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: GOP needs to proceed to a I mean, you and 135 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,119 Speaker 4: I agree there have to be consequences on both sides, 136 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: and the legal system has to be a component of that. 137 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 4: But there is this desire to think on our side, 138 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 4: to just be fair minded and decent people. And sometimes 139 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 4: that means that you look at a minor infraction of 140 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 4: law and you go, look, that's not really that big. 141 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: No no, no more benefit of the doubt, no more. 142 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 4: Oh they lied under oath, but they didn't mean it. 143 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 4: These it looks very likely that Fannie willis committed perjury. 144 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I think, yes, that's very unless you believe 145 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 4: that she was giving somebody money in cash to pay me. 146 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 4: The whole thing is absurd. Why would you give it 147 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 4: in cash? Wouldn't you want to be able to prove 148 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 4: that you paid the person back by the way, I mean, 149 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 4: there's no Giving it in cash is just a dodge. 150 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 4: It's a lie. So perjury should be punished, and she 151 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 4: lied under oath. So we shouldn't do this thing that 152 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: I think on the right we tend to do, which 153 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 4: is like yeah, but like it's not that big. Oh no, no, 154 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 4: no no. If Donald Trump can hit me, hit with 155 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: thirty four felonies, so this is where you and I 156 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 4: do agree. If Donald Trump can be hit with thirty 157 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 4: four felonies for bookkeeping error, Fannie Willis can face the 158 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 4: music on lying under oath, even if it's about a 159 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 4: personal or romantic matter or whatever it may be. And 160 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 4: I think this is where the Appeals court looking at 161 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 4: This is a problem for them, you know, for Fani, 162 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 4: for Nathan Wade. Beyond even just what this does to 163 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 4: the timeline of the prosecution, I think they may have 164 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 4: some issues here. I mean some certainly professional if not 165 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 4: criminal justice issues. 166 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: She should be disbarred. I mean, based on her testimony, 167 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: she should face perjury charges. And if she is convicted 168 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: of perjury, she should certainly be disbarred. She should not 169 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: be able to remain DA. I don't even think this 170 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: is a difficult call. I think the judge McAfee, if 171 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm getting his name right, I think he recognized that, 172 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: but he was worried about his own re election, which 173 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: is its own story. Judges getting elected and attorney general 174 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: is getting elected. To me is messy. I don't know 175 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: that we've spent very much time on it. But the 176 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: idea that Alvin Bragg can run for elective office in 177 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: New York on the idea of I'll get Trump get elected, 178 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: that you could prayend the same thing for Letitia James 179 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: or anybody else that you could be running for reelection 180 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: or election, saying to the voters, hey, if you elect me, 181 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: I'll go after this person politically that you don't like. 182 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: How is that remotely in the interest of justice to 183 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: allow that to occur. A lot of states for this reason, 184 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: buck actually have the governor appoint the attorney general instead 185 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: of the attorney general running for a statewide office. We 186 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: don't in our federal government. We don't allow people to 187 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: run for attorney general for this reason because if you're 188 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: running for attorney general and you say, hey, if you 189 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: appoint me, if you elect me, I'll put your chief 190 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: political opponent in prison for the rest of his life, 191 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: life or her life. That might work politically, but it's 192 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: awful for the concept of justice. Now you can still 193 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: do that. Joe Biden basically put Mayor Garland, who is 194 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: his chosen an attacker in office. But at least it's 195 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: not somebody getting elected directly him or herself saying I'm 196 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: going to go after my political opponents, which is how 197 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg and Letitia James happened, and how Fanny Willis happens. 198 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: She just got reelected. Yeah. 199 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 4: Again, the Democrat Party is abandoning all principle in their 200 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 4: politics here in the pursuit of power, and a perfect 201 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 4: example of it is everybody should just instinctually know that 202 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: a person running for office with the promise that they 203 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: are going to prosecute an individual who had never been 204 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 4: charged with any crime up to that point and was 205 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: in his seventies. Right, it's not like you've never been 206 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 4: charged in you're twenty two. That should just strike everybody 207 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 4: as not the country we live in, like, that's not America, 208 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 4: and I think Democrats have crossed a lot of those 209 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 4: lines in their efforts to get Trump. Where put aside 210 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 4: even the legal and constitutional arguments which are strong against 211 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 4: what they are doing, I would even say definitive against 212 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: what they're doing, there are times where you just see 213 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 4: what they're up to and you say, that's just not America, 214 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: or rather it's not the America that I thought we 215 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 4: were all trying to live in. They want to live 216 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 4: in some other place. They want some other political reality 217 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 4: to be the case here. And I mean, and the 218 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: most perfect example I can put forward of how they 219 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 4: do things versus we do things, and there's tons of them. 220 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 4: But you know, Donald Trump's DOJ did not go after 221 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton. And they absolutely Hillary Clinton broke felony statutes 222 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 4: under the Espionage Act one hundred percent, one hundred percent. 223 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 4: It's not like this is what I mean Clay going 224 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 4: after Hillary that I can see now, right, I mean, 225 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 4: you know, because what we do is we don't even 226 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 4: go after them when they break the law, never mind 227 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 4: bringing charge is where we think, Ah, but I mean 228 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 4: that's not really a crime. 229 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: Right. 230 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 4: That's a huge difference between our side and their side. 231 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 4: We still hold back out of a sense I think 232 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 4: of just decency and basic American camaraderie. And we're reaching 233 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 4: a point now and and I feel bad saying this. 234 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 4: I don't like saying this. We're reaching a point now 235 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 4: where that you almost feel like we're the chumps, you know, 236 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 4: like we're the ones who are getting laughed at because 237 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 4: they're like, that's not the America that we live in. 238 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 4: Well it really isn't, though, But to get it back, 239 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 4: maybe we have to roll up the sleeves and get 240 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 4: a little get a little nasty. And that means if 241 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 4: you're the appeals court judge in Georgia looking at whether 242 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 4: Fannie Willis should be on this trial, if it comes 243 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 4: up as an issue, I mean, did Fannie Willis line 244 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 4: her oath? If she did, she should be prosecuted for perjury. 245 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 4: It shouldn't be ro but she's too high profile of 246 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 4: political See this is what I mean. Where have they 247 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 4: abused power and broken the law? Where have they actually 248 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 4: violated statue? We go after them. There no offens or butts. 249 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 4: So I think that has to be the way. Otherwise 250 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 4: we just keep losing. We just keep losing while they're 251 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 4: slapping us around. We're like stop slapping me, Like Brian Stelter, 252 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 4: that's not gonna work, Brian, It's not gonna. 253 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, orhere you say, the principle of this is so disappointing, 254 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: Like I'm not even gonna respond Eventually, if you get 255 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: punched in the face enough, you have to throw a 256 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: punch back. 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But anyway, let 298 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 4: me tell you the splash from the buckster's cannonball. Serious stuff. 299 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 4: Leah Thomas will not be swimming in the Olympics as 300 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 4: a woman because Lea Thomas is not a woman. 301 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: And here we go. 302 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 4: This is the news headline on a courtesy of CNN 303 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 4: Play eleven. 304 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: Our Sports Today. 305 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 6: Transgender swimmer Leah Thomas's Olympic hopes have been dashed. 306 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: Today the Court of Arbitration for Sport. 307 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 6: Denied her challenge to the rules that ban her from 308 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 6: elite women's races because she's a transgender woman. The World 309 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 6: Aquatics governing body band transgender women who went through puberty 310 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 6: before transitioning from competing in women's races. 311 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 4: Because you will have gotten I mean, this is pretty straightforward, right, Clay. 312 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 4: You will have received the benefits of male testosterone, bone density, 313 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 4: muscle strength, fat deposits, all of it if you go 314 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 4: through male puberty. 315 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think this is important and we need 316 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: to talk about it. We talked about this with Mary 317 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: Margaret Olhan yesterday who has the book out about d trends. 318 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: But the scary thing about what they're saying there is 319 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: they're actually then encouraging super young kids to start to 320 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: transition earlier so that they can live their life as 321 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: a member of the opposite gender from what they're actually born. 322 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: And this is really very scary stuff. And on one hand, 323 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm optimistic because the court issued the right ruling here. 324 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: On the other one, it went all the way to 325 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: that body. And why is Jake Tapper and in general 326 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: referring to Leah Thomas as a woman. And this is 327 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: a sports fans. Have you downloaded the prize picks app yet? 328 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: I hope? So we're talking about the Olympics, they come 329 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: up in the middle of July in Paris. Gonna be 330 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: able to make picks on the Olympics. You can make 331 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: picks on the NBA Finals, which basically look like they're 332 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: over three to zero lead for the Celtics Florida the 333 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: Panthers trying to notch another Stanley Cup win to get 334 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: to three to zero. I believe in that series. Major 335 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: League Baseball, my braves are collapsing whatever sport you like, 336 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: you can play in Florida, Georgia, Texas, California, so many states. 337 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: If you're feeling left out, you can get one hundred bucks. 338 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: All you have to do is go to prizepicks dot com. 339 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: Use my name Clay again. Go sign up right now, 340 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: prizepicks dot com, my name Clay, and you get up 341 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: to one hundred dollars. Scree, Welcome back in Clay Travis 342 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show. Okay, we were just talking about the 343 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper comments. On the one hand, with the news 344 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: of Leah Thomas, who swam as Will Thomas at the 345 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: University of Pennsylvania, not being allowed to compete as a 346 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: woman in the Olympics, a lot of these people are saying, oh, 347 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: Leah Thomas can't compete in the Olympics. No, Leah Thomas 348 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: can't compete in the Olympics. It would just have to 349 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: compete as a man, because Lea Thomas is a man biologically. 350 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: This is not a challenge. Riley Gains, who works with 351 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: us at OutKick, came out and said something, I think 352 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: it's one hundred percent right. She said the NCAA should 353 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: strip Leah Thomas of all championships that he won while 354 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: swimming as a woman. I also, I've met a lot 355 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: of you reacted to this too when you heard the 356 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper comments, what is what should we do as 357 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: adults who are trying to be kind? I really, when 358 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: I hear someone say she about Leah Thomas, it feels 359 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: transparently it's a lie. Yes, it's not a woman like 360 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: should it? If you want to refer to someone by 361 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: a name that's different, which is what I try to do. Okay, 362 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: Leah says that that you know, Will Thomas is now 363 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: Leah Thomas. People change their names. I try to do that. 364 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: But should you use the pronouns? I think you have 365 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: to start pushing back against this. Right. You shouldn't say 366 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: she to reference Leah Thomas. 367 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 4: This is why they fight so so hard on this issue. 368 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 4: You are essentially seeding the battlefield before the before the 369 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 4: fight has even started. If you're going to use and look, 370 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 4: I'll say this. I see this on Foxnews dot Com. 371 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: I see this on conservative outlets. Well, they will refer 372 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 4: to a female trans I'm sorry, a transgender female. Remember, everybody, 373 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 4: we all understand the language works. If it was just 374 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 4: a female, you wouldn't have to say it transgender female, 375 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 4: but they'll refer to that that individual as a as 376 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 4: a her. Fascinating debate happened actually in the New York Times, 377 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 4: and the ombudsman got involved. 378 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: This was years ago. I don't know if you remember this, Clay. 379 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 4: I think you read the New York Times a little 380 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 4: more than I do. But I read the New York 381 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 4: Times some of it pretty much every day. 382 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: You know. 383 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 4: I'm busy watching Morning Joe on MSNBC, so I can't 384 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 4: right overload on all the lib stuff. But they had 385 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 4: this argument over whether plural pronoun usage for an individual 386 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 4: meaning was a problem. Yeah not yeah they or them, 387 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 4: not because of gender, but because grammatically it indicates more 388 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 4: than one individual. And that was where they really it 389 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 4: wasn't it's actually a boy. Why are we doing this? 390 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 4: It was, well, it's not two people, and it is 391 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 4: confusing when you use a plural pronoun for one individual. 392 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 4: By the way, this destroyed the show Billions for me. 393 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever you watched. 394 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: BiH I stopped watching it to a large extent for 395 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: this exactly reason. 396 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 4: Destroyed the show Billions. They had a they was like 397 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 4: a non binary character who's also a Wall Street genius 398 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 4: was like twenty two and the whole thing was moronic, 399 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 4: but they were trying to be super woke, and that's 400 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 4: really it was really early in the woke wave of 401 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 4: TV making. I mean the Leah Thomas issue. Your name 402 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 4: can look, you know your name is You're Richard right, 403 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 4: and I'm James Richard Clay Travis, Yes, and I'm James 404 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 4: Buckman Sexton. So yeah, he goes by Clay, I go 405 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 4: by Buck. Your name is what you want your name 406 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 4: to be, or at least has to be sort of 407 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 4: a part of I think what the name is on 408 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 4: your ID or should be generally so you can change 409 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 4: your name. And that's not it wouldn't be right for 410 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 4: us to say, no, it's Will Thomas still dead naming. 411 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. But gender is a reality, is a truth, 412 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: and so to lie about gender is to be a 413 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 4: party to a lie. And I agree with Souls and 414 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 4: netson I will live not by lies. 415 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: So are you optimistic that they reached this result to 416 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: not allow him to swim as a woman. I have 417 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: a big concern about it. Actually, yes, So this is 418 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: this time, and I think it's bad that it had 419 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: to reach to this point. I agree with the result, 420 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: but and I hit it at this at the at 421 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: the last segment, do we still have the Jake Tapper audio? 422 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: I think we do. Can we play the Jake Tapper audio? 423 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: Because this is important. They cited the rule being that 424 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: because he had not started gender transition earlier. To me, 425 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: this is actually saying, oh, well, you definitely need to 426 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: start your kid's gender transitioning. Play this Jake Tapper one 427 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: more time, because I think it's important to understand the 428 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: logic by which they reached their conclusion. 429 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 6: Listen now Sportsly today, transgender swimmer Leah Thomas's Olympic hopes 430 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 6: have been dashed. 431 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: Today the Court of Arbitration for Sport. 432 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 6: Denied her challenge to the rules that ban her from 433 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 6: elite women's races because she's a transgender woman. The World 434 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 6: Aquatics governing body band transgender women who went through puberty 435 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 6: before transitioning from competing in women's races. 436 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: This is scary. Note what he said. They ban people 437 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: who went through puberty, who went through purity before transitioning. 438 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: So what they're trying to do now, Buck, is they 439 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: are going to give If you're giving someone gender transition 440 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: drugs before they enter puberty. This is encouraging awful decision making. 441 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is now You're going to give somebody 442 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: either anti puberty drugs or gender transition drugs at what 443 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: kids go through puberty thirteen fourteen, twelve years old, obviously 444 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: different for different kids. This is terrifying to me because 445 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: you're going to have ten year olds out there getting 446 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: drug treatment based on what gender they think they are. 447 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 4: Well, it will be I don't know how many people 448 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 4: will will be able to make we'll make this determination 449 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 4: that early so that they can compete in sports. But 450 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 4: it does seem to create an incentive for people to 451 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 4: push for JET because once the rules start to say 452 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 4: because what's what's gonna happen here is everyone's gonna realize 453 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 4: if you've gone through puberty as a boy, you're a boy, 454 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 4: okay reality, or you're a man, well. 455 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: You just have huge physical advantages that might exists because 456 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: of people. 457 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 4: And that can't change. And taking taking estrogen or whatever 458 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 4: it might give you, you know, man boobs, but it doesn't change, okay. 459 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 4: So it does actually do that by the way, it 460 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 4: creates like fatty tissue in the UH in the chest area. 461 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 4: But if you want then to see how far they'll go, 462 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 4: or rather if you want to see what the trajectory 463 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 4: of this is likely to be, it will be for 464 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 4: the agenda, the lobby, the movement of transgenderism to try 465 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 4: to push even harder, to get people to do this younger, 466 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 4: because if you become comfortable with the world in which 467 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 4: we all can agree, if you've gone through mail puberty, 468 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: you have mail advantage. Sorry, that's it. They're gonna say, well, clearly, 469 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 4: we have to push it even younger, and it's just 470 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 4: it is months. 471 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: You know. 472 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 4: It was a very interesting interview I think we had 473 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 4: yesterday and I've got the book still here. D Trands 474 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 4: by Mary Margaret Olahan. It's horrible what they're doing to 475 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 4: these kids in terms of the we lock people up 476 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 4: with far more you know, anger, Now, how could you 477 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 4: we lock people up. We're doing far less damage to 478 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 4: people or to society than what's being done to some 479 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: of these ten year olds who are being given these 480 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 4: hormones and all this stuff. 481 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? 482 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't disagree they're trying to lock 483 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 4: people up for business records violations or whatever. I mean, 484 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 4: you know, the law is comes down so hard on people, 485 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 4: and you think about like removing the breasts of a 486 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 4: teenage girl because she's basically suffering from a psychiatric disorder, 487 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 4: and this is to be celebrated. 488 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: And it's not far. 489 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 4: They've already started to touch on this in some places 490 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 4: Clay where they're gonna make moves at the state level 491 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 4: to move children or you know, probably teenagers from parents 492 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 4: who stand in the way of gender transition. This is 493 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 4: something they want very much, and effectively the transitioner belongs 494 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 4: to the state, not to their family or their parents. 495 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 4: That is absolutely a part of the agenda as well. 496 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's also again I think people kind of 497 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: cringe talking about it, the physical things that they do 498 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: to change your body. Think about just that there are 499 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: open wounds for men who decide to identify as women 500 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: for the rest of their life that shouldn't be there. 501 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: And what is going to happen, I believe, unfortunately, is 502 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: so much of this has been done. It's frankenstein esque 503 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: in terms of what we're doing to people's bodies, that 504 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: the amount of life that we are taking away from them. 505 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: I think you're going to see the average life's of 506 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: someone who endures trans treatments to try to change their 507 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: gender because they're younger. Now we haven't really gotten to 508 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: a buck. I think they're giving up a decade of 509 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: their life. I don't think that's crazy to say. If 510 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: the average person lives the seventy eight when you have 511 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: these gender transition surgeries, I think you're going to find 512 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: out that you live to sixty eight or sixty nine as. 513 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 4: Opposed well, that absolutely, I think that's the case. And 514 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 4: I think if you look at the long term, the 515 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 4: long term psychiatric outcome, it's going to be worse for 516 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 4: people who have these. And already there's some data on this. 517 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 4: But so the problem with data is we rely on 518 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 4: the medical community to provide this data, and the medical 519 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 4: community is infiltrated. We saw it during COVID and we 520 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 4: see it to this day, infiltrated by the communist collectivist mindset. 521 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 4: Whatever the thing is now must be justified. Whatever the 522 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 4: new civil rights struggle of our moment, which is now 523 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 4: trans individuals, that's the priority, not the safety and health 524 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 4: and well being of children, even in this case. And 525 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 4: the other problem you have is the more people that 526 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 4: go through this, and this has been true of abortion too, 527 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 4: by the way, But the more people that actually are 528 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 4: either themselves transitioned and also family members that push for 529 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 4: this and doctors who help with this, you create an 530 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 4: immovable political lobby that will absolutely go to the mat 531 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 4: that this is necessary and is in fact even benevolent. 532 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 4: It is a terrible thing to stand in the way 533 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 4: of this because to look at the reality would be 534 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 4: the admission that they had done something monstrous to children, monstrous. 535 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: And also to build on that. I think that's one 536 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: hundred percent correct. I just I don't think there are 537 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: very many people who are seventy years old and have 538 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: had gender reassignment surgery. So it's not only that this 539 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: is a relatively new medical treatment, it's that you're not 540 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: able to see. I mean, just think about when you 541 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: get a tattoo. When you get a tattoo and you're 542 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: twenty five, it looks different on your body than when 543 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: you're seventy five. Your body changes as you age. I 544 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: just the idea that you're going to create basically a 545 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: new individual. It doesn't necessarily work that well when you're 546 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: in your twenties, thirties, and forties, but the whole body 547 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: breaks down as you get into your sixties and seventies. 548 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: You can't tell me that all this gender reassignment surgery 549 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: isn't going to take decades oftentimes off of people's lives. 550 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: I just there's not a lot of data on it 551 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: because there aren't that many old people who have had 552 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: this done, because you couldn't get it done in the 553 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: sixties and seventies when people would have been having to 554 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: do it at this age to be in their seventies now. 555 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 4: I mean, I just also think you think about whenever 556 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 4: someone's hiding something from you, especially the medical community or 557 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 4: people within the medical community, whenever they hide something from 558 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 4: you or they don't want to talk about something, you 559 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 4: know there's a problem. You can go on YouTube right now. 560 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't recommend this. I mean you can 561 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 4: see what a hip replacement surgery looks like. We could 562 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 4: call up any doctor and be like, hey, doc, can 563 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 4: you talk to me about a deeper placement surgery? What 564 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 4: are the long term complications? Like what can go wrong? 565 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 4: Like what do you need to focus on? You know, 566 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 4: what kind of pain is there? And they'll tell you. 567 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 4: If we try to get a doctor to come on 568 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 4: this program to talk about what happens when you create 569 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 4: a gaping wound that never fully heals from the removal 570 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 4: of genitalia for a transgender surgery. None of them will 571 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 4: come on to talk. Yeah, none of them will talk 572 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 4: about this. They will not, And all they will do 573 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 4: when I asked, is say, you're anti trans, you're bigot it, 574 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 4: you're anti trans. Why won't you tell us about the 575 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 4: medical procedure. Why don't we see you know, to the 576 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 4: degree you can sort of see the long term prognosis 577 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 4: of these things in the data freely available, we don't, 578 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 4: and it's because they're hiding it from us. Why are 579 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 4: they hide Why do you have to hide a medical procedure? 580 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 4: Why are you defensive when asked about a medical procedure? 581 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: Right? 582 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 4: I mean, if I'm a doctor and somebody says, hey, 583 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 4: how do you do brain surgery, I'm like, well, I'm 584 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 4: super smart. Let me tell you, right, yeah, ask somebody 585 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 4: about how they do trans surgery. 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That's 605 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: a Legacy Box dot com slash Clay. 606 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 5: You know him as conservative radio hosts, Now just get 607 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 5: to know them as guys on This Sunday hang podcast 608 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 5: with Clay and Buck. Find it in their podcast feed 609 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 5: on the iHeartRadio app. 610 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay, 611 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out 612 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: with us. We're rolling through the second hour of the program. 613 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: There's another video we're gonna hear. Joe Biden is in 614 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: Italy right now with the G seven and it would 615 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: be what would it be close to probably eight o'clock 616 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: or so in the evening in Italy thereabouts. He's supposed 617 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: to be addressing the media. We'll see how that goes. 618 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: But Buck, there's a viral video of Joe Biden at 619 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: the G seven in Italy wondering off by himself and 620 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: one of I believe it's the Italian Prime Minister Maloney 621 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: I think is her name. Has to go grab him 622 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: and bring him back with the group. He doesn't seem 623 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: to know where to walk, He doesn't seem to know 624 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: where to look without Joe Biden there in his ear, 625 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: and without there being a staff with note cards telling 626 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: him exactly where to go. I watch these videos and 627 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: I just think to myself, how in the world's he 628 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: going to debate two weeks from today? 629 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 4: He's gonna Clay, I honestly think the Biden is a 630 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 4: doddering fool is like this is now, you know, dog 631 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 4: bites man it. We all know he's gonna keep doing it, 632 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 4: and yet he's neck and neck with Trump and the 633 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 4: polls like, this is not gonna win us the election. 634 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 4: It's not gonna do it. And I know that that's crazy. 635 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 4: But unless you have a dramatic escalation of what we've 636 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 4: already seen to your point about how with Trump and 637 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 4: all the stuff the media says about him, I think 638 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 4: it's true. There's just an exhaustion, like there's been a 639 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 4: h what's the word I'm trying to but it's a 640 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 4: boy who cries wolf scenario where there's been an adaptation 641 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 4: now where we're just. 642 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: Allh Trump is Hitler's gonna kill everybody. It's horrible. 643 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 4: I mean we've gotten used to hearing that to the 644 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 4: point now where it is noise. I think that unfortunately, 645 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 4: because I think this does matter and it's true. I 646 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 4: think the Biden is a dotter. I think it's just 647 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 4: noise now. I think it's we all hear it. They 648 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 4: make jokes about it on late night, and this is 649 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 4: one of the challenges about Trump as a matchup for Biden. 650 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 4: I know that Trump is in much better shape. We've 651 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 4: said it a million times. I know that he doesn't 652 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 4: have these same senior moments. But the people that are 653 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 4: kind of casual observers, they're like, well, he's like seventy. 654 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: Eight, you know. 655 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 4: I mean, we got two super old guys in the mix. 656 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 4: That is just a fact. 657 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: I saw, and I think you're right. They'll set the 658 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: tone for the debate by immediately. First question will be 659 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: for Trump, you lost, sir in twenty twenty, are you 660 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: willing to accept the result of the twenty twenty four election? 661 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: That will be the I bet the very first quar 662 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: question two weeks from today. And I remember we've still 663 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: got the Supreme Court decisions that have to come down, 664 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: both on the Jan six prosecution itself, whether they can 665 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: use the statue from Sarbaine's oxyley that they've been using, 666 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: and then also what is the presidential privilege does not 667 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: appear We're going to get those necessarily this week, So 668 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: that weight will continue, although there may be some more 669 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: opinions tomorrow. Mentioned eighteen to twenty nine year old voters, 670 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: got some data on that. We discussed it a bit. Also, 671 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: we have been talking about this Nathan Wade situation. 672 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 4: And got some Trump clips. Trump just is talking, yep, 673 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 4: speaking right now. He's in DC. He's been at the 674 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 4: Capitol first time since you know, that day 675 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: That day I saw his plane land yesterday in DC 676 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: at Natural