WEBVTT - The Two-Year Anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>What You're about to Hear is a work of investigative

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<v Speaker 1>journalism that explores one woman's search for answers in her

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<v Speaker 1>son's death. The views and opinions in this podcast do

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<v Speaker 1>not reflect those of I Heart Media. Previously on Somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>did the people you work with now that you guys

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<v Speaker 1>were romantically involved. No, A lot of people were very

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<v Speaker 1>very that weren't. He lived in a really rough neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>We heard two gunshots and a car drive off. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to know what you are Did you see anybody running?

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<v Speaker 1>How many shots? None of that stuff was asked, Like

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<v Speaker 1>down the street from where I live, this guy like

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<v Speaker 1>he's you know, he's a game member. He has really

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<v Speaker 1>long hair, like down't pass his waist. They had said

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<v Speaker 1>there was some Hispanic guys running around in that neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they had claimed as a possibility that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they had confused them for somebody else. So I had

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<v Speaker 1>to follow that leaders wrong. I believe that somebody knows something,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody saw something, and it just takes a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>courage from somebody to tell what they saw. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Chaparral Wells. This is the story of my son, Courtney,

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<v Speaker 1>a young black man in a fancy car who wound

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<v Speaker 1>up with a bullet in his back in front of

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<v Speaker 1>a Chicago police station. And it's the story of my

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<v Speaker 1>search for the truth. This is somebody, everybody, somebody every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't bide the snugging. That's right, h Y. We buried

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney at the cemetery called Burt Oak. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>family plot there. As you can see, these are some

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<v Speaker 1>of the graves. Burt Oak was originally the only cemetery

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<v Speaker 1>where black people could be buried in Illinois. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>the cemetery where Emmett Till is buried. It's where my

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<v Speaker 1>grandma is buried too, And this is where Bren and

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<v Speaker 1>I buried. Are two angel babies, a set of twins

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<v Speaker 1>in Every time I come here, it's in disrepair. The

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<v Speaker 1>ground itself is crumbling and there's weeds everywhere. The grass

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<v Speaker 1>is high, there's trash. You can't be sad because you

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<v Speaker 1>you saw dogs, angry because the way it looks. I've

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<v Speaker 1>had it out a few times with the groundskeepers. You

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even have this much gred when we came here

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<v Speaker 1>last time. Sometimes we have to redo it a being

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<v Speaker 1>as d They're nice guys, but I have to keep

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<v Speaker 1>it real with them about the conditions of the cemetery.

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<v Speaker 1>It's horrible. Look at this, Look at that, look looking

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<v Speaker 1>looking I'm sorry that no, no, no, you probably know

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<v Speaker 1>by now. I'm not afraid of confrontation, because nobody should

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<v Speaker 1>have to go here and look and be embarrassed. When

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<v Speaker 1>you come and to a great site to breath, it's

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<v Speaker 1>already a difficult situation. Look at today, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>chop my head on the line. You're gonna be hugging me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but y'all know, y'all got me a little heated.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little heated when it comes to my baby,

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<v Speaker 1>I get a little heated. Is personal. It had almost

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<v Speaker 1>been two years since Courtney died. Two years I found

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<v Speaker 1>out there was a deadline, a statue of limitations for

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<v Speaker 1>me to sue the city for how they treated my son.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got some new lawyers to take the case

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<v Speaker 1>to court. They argued that police caused delays by taking

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney into custody and handcuffing him, and that they conspired

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<v Speaker 1>with the fire department to prepare misleading reports to cover

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<v Speaker 1>up their actions. I wanted justice, and I wanted those

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<v Speaker 1>officers on the record. I wanted them to be forced

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<v Speaker 1>to testify, and I wanted the city to see that

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<v Speaker 1>treating a young black man as a criminal instead of

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<v Speaker 1>a victim has consequences. There was one other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I needed to do on his second anniversary. I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to hold a protest outside the police station. We

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<v Speaker 1>were gonna go there and light candles with Courtney's friends

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<v Speaker 1>and our whole family. It's good do a short Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a difficult moment for me right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to do this last year, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't strong enough to do it. But I feel that

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<v Speaker 1>his spirit would be there and so that he would

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<v Speaker 1>know that he's not alone right now. And I hope

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<v Speaker 1>that you can come out and just light a candle

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<v Speaker 1>for him. God bless. I was going to do all

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<v Speaker 1>of this in the middle of the night, at the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same time as Courtney pulled up to the station

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<v Speaker 1>and called trying to get help. I was gonna drive

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<v Speaker 1>the BMW that Courtney drove from my house and Cistero

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<v Speaker 1>to Belmont Craigan, just like Courtney did. I was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>drive down Alma Street, cut through the alley, pull up

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<v Speaker 1>by the corner of the church just like Courtney did.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like for me, I couldn't be there when

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<v Speaker 1>it happened. I always felt like some type of guilt

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<v Speaker 1>for not being there. So for me, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>take that journey with him so that that way he

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<v Speaker 1>knows that his mom was there. Leading up to the anniversary,

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney's friends started posting old videos and tributes, and so

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<v Speaker 1>my timeline was flooded with memories of Courtney. There were

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<v Speaker 1>tons of photos of Courtney in his car Baybay every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Million dollars, a million dollars. Oh my god, Babay, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that I want to say that she's my fourth child,

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<v Speaker 1>even though she's a vehicle. Over the last two years,

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<v Speaker 1>Baby had been through a lot. My mom had an

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<v Speaker 1>accident in Baby. How did it get in an accident?

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<v Speaker 1>She was trying to change lanes and so when she

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<v Speaker 1>changed lanes, she didn't see the other car and so

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<v Speaker 1>they ran right into the car. And when she told

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<v Speaker 1>me that she crashed the car, I hung up on her.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't ask her what she okay, because I figured

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<v Speaker 1>she's okay because she calling me, But I just I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't talk. I didn't leave the bed for three days

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<v Speaker 1>as much as I want to let it go, I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like they stay. Fund was like, well, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna sell awful parts, and part of me I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like they're just like taking my son and just selling

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<v Speaker 1>my awful parts. I was like, no, I need the

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<v Speaker 1>call back. So I had found two mechanics, one to

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<v Speaker 1>do the interior work and then one to do the

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<v Speaker 1>body work of the vehicle. And it was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money to get her restored. But once she was

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<v Speaker 1>as good as new, I got a new license plate

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<v Speaker 1>for Babe court thirty four. Now we were ready to

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<v Speaker 1>take this drive. While Chaprole was getting ready for the

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<v Speaker 1>second anniversary of Courtney's death, we were busy reporting. Turns

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<v Speaker 1>out Courtney wasn't the only one to call one after

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been shot March four, three minutes and three seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone else called nine one one that night to a

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor who reported hearing shots fired. Police interviewed her about

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<v Speaker 1>a month after Courtney died, to watch the hell, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming to us, but you know there were there

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<v Speaker 1>was a shooting right here, long long How many shots

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<v Speaker 1>to here? Ma'am? Like the neighbor's name was Elena. She

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<v Speaker 1>made that nine one one call about six minutes after

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney's nine one one call saying he'd been shot. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>anybody seeing who was doing the shooting? No, but right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I was coming to with my bad room. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was took get on mama house. She said she heard

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<v Speaker 1>two shots and I was parking with the carcass I

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<v Speaker 1>real best, but we're not really earty. There was like

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<v Speaker 1>two rasted. Okay, so you heard two shots fired on

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<v Speaker 1>the block? Yeah, okay, I'll send someone over to check

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<v Speaker 1>it out. Okay, thanks, you're welcome. Chapar wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to her, but her name and number were redacted from

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<v Speaker 1>the police report, so none of us knew who she was.

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<v Speaker 1>But a few months later, when we got the nine

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<v Speaker 1>one one call from the city, we found her number.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very in the metadata that came with the

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<v Speaker 1>call recording, so we got in touch. At the time

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney was shot, Elena lived in the neighborhood, but she

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<v Speaker 1>moved out because of the violence. These days, Elena and

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<v Speaker 1>her family live in a garden apartment on the west

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<v Speaker 1>side of the city, a couple of miles from Belmont Craigan.

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<v Speaker 1>She and her husband, Edgar, have two kids, an eight

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<v Speaker 1>year old girl who loves to jump into adult conversations

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<v Speaker 1>and giggle and a little baby boy look big guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Just it's like she's a good big sister. She seems

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<v Speaker 1>like she's the boss, though she's just a Moline. We

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<v Speaker 1>asked her about March four. Here's what she remembers. Elena

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<v Speaker 1>was parking a block from the church where Courtney would

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<v Speaker 1>park when she heard the two shots. She was helping

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter out of the car. I heard that should

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<v Speaker 1>a graph her and I put him inside until a

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<v Speaker 1>car again. She called her husband, Edgar, on the phone,

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<v Speaker 1>to come out and wait for her in their alley.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when she saw Courtney's car speed past her and

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<v Speaker 1>turned towards the police station. Were you scared at any point? Oh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was because that was with my better she was.

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<v Speaker 1>She was trying. Has that ever happened before? No? Not.

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<v Speaker 1>After the shots, she froze, but when she heard a

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<v Speaker 1>police siren, she decided it was safe enough to leave. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Elena and her daughter walked towards home, where Edgar was

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for them. She saw a car speeding down the alley.

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<v Speaker 1>Edgar saw it too, He was closer and had a

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<v Speaker 1>better view the window was down. Some guys inside she

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<v Speaker 1>described them as gangsters, had his hands and said that

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<v Speaker 1>jacket and he was the car stopped. The guys inside

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<v Speaker 1>stared at Edgar. He had his hands in his pockets

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't want to move them because he was

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<v Speaker 1>worried the guys might think it was a gun. His

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<v Speaker 1>hands in his pocket, okay, and so the guys thought

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe he had something. So I remember the car.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows that car it was. But Elena told police

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<v Speaker 1>she thought she saw a camera. When we spoke to her,

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<v Speaker 1>she said she doesn't really know cars, but that her husband, Edgar,

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<v Speaker 1>remembers the make and model. Seemed like Edgar was the

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<v Speaker 1>witness we really needed to talk to. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>your husband might remember what the men looked like? Even

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<v Speaker 1>though Edgar might have been able to identify these guys,

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<v Speaker 1>police never even tried to speak with him. How long

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<v Speaker 1>did they stay with it. It's funny minutes and they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't talk to Edgar, okay, And they never talked to him.

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<v Speaker 1>When we told Elena we were working with Courtney's mom,

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to know more and actually she's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be out there in front of the police station on

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday at the same time. We told her about the vigil.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll try to see if Coogle right here, I'm bren. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna try to see if so. Psycho tu what

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<v Speaker 1>I saw and everything she would think she's it was

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<v Speaker 1>the keys to BMW. On March four, Bill and I

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<v Speaker 1>met Chapel at her house. It was around midnight. She

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<v Speaker 1>was wearing a red Justice for Courtney Copeland t shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>getting ready, serving coffee. Her family was starting to congregate.

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<v Speaker 1>Jas mc grab the other baby. I think Brett already

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<v Speaker 1>got one in the car and Jasmine tep. Brent lock up, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>lock up. Brent and their teenage daughters, Kaylin Jasmine were

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<v Speaker 1>bundling up two little babies, faith in Sahara. Chapelle had

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<v Speaker 1>started fostering them in the fall. Now they were six

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<v Speaker 1>months old. Shapell was getting their bottles ready. You got

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<v Speaker 1>her past by stay ye va benefits for those who

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<v Speaker 1>qualifying can today at seven or eight six eight. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know nothing about this class. What about it? There

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<v Speaker 1>it is? Chappelle and Bill took off together. I followed

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<v Speaker 1>behind you said you feel like you have to do this?

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<v Speaker 1>Why I put yourself through it? Because I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I've been hiding from it. O Courtney comes and he

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<v Speaker 1>does that final snapchat in front of our house, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I guess that's what he was talking to him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he decided to go over there. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what if you had it just went to bed, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just like that one second, one second changed

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<v Speaker 1>his whole life. It was a pretty short drive that

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<v Speaker 1>time of night. It only took about fifteen twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is almost black, so this is the exact way

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<v Speaker 1>that he would come. We went through the alley to

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<v Speaker 1>where Courtney would park, just up by the church chapel.

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<v Speaker 1>Stopped the car. This is where we believe Courtney was shot.

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<v Speaker 1>So they when they found glass. They found glass by

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<v Speaker 1>the fire hydrant, which is a little bit ways. I

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<v Speaker 1>drove over to the police station, pulled up in that

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<v Speaker 1>left turn lane. I stopped the car right in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the street, just as Courtney had done two

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<v Speaker 1>years earlier after getting shot. Across from the police station,

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<v Speaker 1>friends and family had started gathering, lighting candles, setting up

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<v Speaker 1>picture frames. It was cold, you could see your broth.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get out of the car for several minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>I just needed to sit there and think about my

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<v Speaker 1>son about what he must have been feeling there on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. I was just trying to put myself in

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<v Speaker 1>his position and what he would have said to police.

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<v Speaker 1>In that moment, police came out from the station. They

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<v Speaker 1>started to surround me. They asked me to move out

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<v Speaker 1>the road, and I just simply lost it. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>moving Leave me long. I am not moving it. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I am not moving it. I'm staring right here. Leave

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<v Speaker 1>me a long, Please leave me long. Now, you did

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<v Speaker 1>what did my sons say? What did he say? What

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<v Speaker 1>else did he say? Y'all were talking to Hilp. Me'all

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to him. He was talking to y'all, lor

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<v Speaker 1>to Cavra. What did you say? What did he say?

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<v Speaker 1>He was shot? The ambulance came here and started taking

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<v Speaker 1>This is when I realized who I was talking to.

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Ronan. You was on the I got it when

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<v Speaker 1>you was, when I got the report, when you came

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene. He was on the same before them,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's got y'all was around him, y'all around. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the supervisor the night Courtney died. He was there

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<v Speaker 1>that night. He was right there in that very spot.

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<v Speaker 1>My family was holding me up, and I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Ronan to see my pain, to see that my

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<v Speaker 1>son's life mattered to somebody, y'all to helping me, y'all

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<v Speaker 1>to do nothing, because you imagine a mama seeing that

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<v Speaker 1>my son begging for help. What happened. That's what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to my baby. That's what happened to my child. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. My son is on the ground. Remember, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the guy. We looked into, scores of complaints against him,

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<v Speaker 1>like false arrest, planting evidence, using racist you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>help me, that's what I'm saying. I did that, my uncamp,

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<v Speaker 1>she asks Ronan, who handcuffed Courtney. I don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>we would put up that. I don't Again, unfortunately, this

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<v Speaker 1>is two years ago. I mean, I wish I had

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<v Speaker 1>better for you. But as far as we did this

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<v Speaker 1>to your son, that's the detectives that follow up on that.

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<v Speaker 1>So nobody working on it. Nobody's working out, and nobody

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<v Speaker 1>can he did another black. Nobody cares you gotta do

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<v Speaker 1>anything yet, I don't know he has met the black killers.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me know if you don't came the y'all me,

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<v Speaker 1>my son come up to y'all s he's not, and

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<v Speaker 1>then here haircuffs. Has that possible again, ma'am, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happened before I got that trying

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<v Speaker 1>to help him, That's what I saw. It went on

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<v Speaker 1>and on like this for several minutes, right in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the street. And then a white shirt another

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<v Speaker 1>officer pulled Ronan away from the scene, and Ronan he

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<v Speaker 1>just left. He told all the other officers to leave

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Things calmed down in our protests and the vigil.

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<v Speaker 1>It went on, and then out of the corner of

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<v Speaker 1>my eye, I saw Elena, the woman who called nine

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<v Speaker 1>one one. She showed up. She was standing with her

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<v Speaker 1>family at the edge of the park, across from the

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<v Speaker 1>police station. You feeling, they called very calls your kids

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<v Speaker 1>out here. She's with her two kids and Edgar, her husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone was shivering. We ran and got Chapral. We wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure they had the chance to meet Why.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just sorry you why the two investigation, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because then nobody else going to help us, so we

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<v Speaker 1>had to try to fight this ourselves. To know what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>When I saw Elena, I hugged her immediately. I was

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<v Speaker 1>surprised she even showed up for a mother she never

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<v Speaker 1>even met. It was like, Okay, this is somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>has given me some information. She feels my pain, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's connecting me on a mother to mother level. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you coming out because it means a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to talk to you. But yeah, they would

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<v Speaker 1>never talk to me. Before I went back to the vigil,

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<v Speaker 1>we hugged each other again, Thank you so much. Bill

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<v Speaker 1>and I stayed with Elene and Edgar to talk. We

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<v Speaker 1>needed to know what Edgar could remember seeing that night?

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<v Speaker 1>Would your month? Would you mund chance sitting for me

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<v Speaker 1>if you tell us what you saw the night? So

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<v Speaker 1>he put on his jacket and he tried to go

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<v Speaker 1>down to he could he go down? He saw that

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<v Speaker 1>there was a car coming through the alley. Profest. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't stop. And here's what Edgar remembered. When he got

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<v Speaker 1>to the alley, he saw a car coming fast, so

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<v Speaker 1>fast he was afraid it was going to hit Elene

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<v Speaker 1>and their daughter as they tried to cross. You write

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<v Speaker 1>down the license, you you knew he already knew that

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<v Speaker 1>first to receive forty six, Yeah, it was it. What

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<v Speaker 1>kind of car was it? There, what color a Mercury

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Marquis with three guys inside? Did the police ever

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you? Um? No, he never talked to police,

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<v Speaker 1>never talked to Edgar, even though Elina told them he

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<v Speaker 1>saw everything. The police knew then your husband something when

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<v Speaker 1>I when when they went to see me right here? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>I told him that he saw we do No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't sences him. The alley was narrow, just a

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<v Speaker 1>few feet between Edgar and the driver, and the car

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<v Speaker 1>window was rolled down. They were pretty much face to face.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do they look like? Them? And Edgar remembered

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<v Speaker 1>something else? Do you remember their hair? The better they

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<v Speaker 1>use more hair? Not here h one of the guys

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<v Speaker 1>in the car had long hair. Every Body so bide

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