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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do many things percolating here in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: We're going to start off by taking a look at

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Speaker 1: this gigantic foreign aid package they are trying to shove

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Speaker 1: stuff there. We also have new developments in terms of

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Speaker 1: the political fallout in Arizona, specifically over that eighteen hundreds

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Speaker 1: We also have some blockbuster testimony yesterday in two separate

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Speaker 1: frankly terrifying allegations against that company. So we'll break that

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Speaker 1: down for you. Also have some big news at Volkswagen.

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Speaker 1: Once again, workers are voting on whether or not they

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Speaker 1: that down for you. Stunning developments also with Bob Menendez.

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Speaker 1: You remember he's been indicted for some pretty wild corruption

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Speaker 1: allegations involving gold bars and many other things. We're getting

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Speaker 1: basically he's going to throw his own wife under the bus.

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Speaker 1: Really just just a stand up guy there, really really

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Speaker 1: great guy. Unbelievable. And we've got a first look at

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Speaker 1: some of the Trump jurors who have been selected in

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Speaker 1: that hush money trial up in New York City. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean It's just interesting to think about how anyone

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I don't envy them this task that is

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Speaker 2: Go for them.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 2: We will get into all of that before we get

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Speaker 1: And by the way, thanks everybody checked out Sager's moderation

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Speaker 1: on The Bigdom eight last night. I watched it was

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Speaker 1: fun best. You did a great job. It's not an

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Speaker 1: easy task with so many people. First, that's a lot

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Speaker 2: We streamed it on our channel. It was a zero

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Speaker 2: heady debate on Israel. It was Dave Smith, jenk Uger

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Speaker 2: versus Dennis Praeger and Batcha or I can never say

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Speaker 2: your fun I'm gonna go with batya botya anyway, so

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Speaker 2: you can watch it. We haven't streamed on our channel.

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Speaker 3: You what it was interesting. I thought that the exchanges.

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Speaker 2: And so that is part of the problem with quote

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Speaker 2: I try my best. Let them all speak, So take look.

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Speaker 2: It's on our channel and we'll release it sometime later.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and talk about foreign aid,

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Speaker 2: which is very germane to the topic.

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Speaker 3: Now I get to actually voice.

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Speaker 1: My opinions that for me would have been hard. There's

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and begin with Speaker Mike Johnson, who,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, is currently undertaking one of the greatest

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Speaker 2: and the starting to twist and the money starts coming in.

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Speaker 2: honestly worse than nineteen eighty two. The level of grandeur

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 4: We are an unprecedented times. Okay, we're in dangerous times.

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Speaker 4: This has been articulated here around the world and here

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Speaker 4: at the wheel. Look, I regard myself as a as

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Speaker 3: I mean, in a literal sense, we are.

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Speaker 4: the moment we're in right now. He said, arguably maybe

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Speaker 2: Right, maybe comparable to the Civil War, Yeah, or maybe worse.

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Speaker 2: You're just like Schuyler Coofax. My dude, that's exactly what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, Sam Reeburn and all those other guys

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Speaker 2: during the Great Depression and during the World War Two,

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Speaker 2: they never face anything like who do you think you are?

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Speaker 2: Wartime speaker? America is not at war except if you

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Speaker 2: Oh it's we're fighting in Ukraine. We're the ones who

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Speaker 2: two foreign nations and the way that he sees his

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there, please on the screen,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna read you, guys. The top line

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Speaker 2: numbers the legislation that Speaker Johnson is pushing sixty billion

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Speaker 3: We've gotten through this.

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Speaker 2: This completely depletes US military assets, US military stockpiles. It

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Speaker 2: not change a single iota on the ground in Ukraine

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Speaker 2: except allowing the government to kidnap more people who are

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Speaker 2: mentally disabled and physically disabled and throw them at a

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Speaker 3: Even with this, the Russians will.

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Speaker 2: Still outproduce and outmatch the Ukrainians whenever it comes to ammunition.

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Speaker 2: Two twenty six billion dollars for Israel and humanitarian aid

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Speaker 2: for civilians in Gaza. Now, who wants to guess the

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Speaker 2: ratio of military to civilian aid there? Crystol Right, okay,

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Speaker 2: and then finally quote unquote eight billion for the Indo

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Speaker 2: Pacific as a real time, so insulted by this because

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Speaker 2: it's actually a stack of the least priority for American

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Speaker 2: the US economy gets the least amount of money. And

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Speaker 2: then that doesn't even bly the question of what the

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Speaker 2: hell is all this money going to do?

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Speaker 3: Anyway. I mean, this is strategic insand yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean with the Israel piece, it's once again, you

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Speaker 1: guys have probably seen these photos where there's literal bombs

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Speaker 1: dropping on Gaza as these little pitoly food packages are

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Speaker 1: dropping as well. You know, it just makes me sick,

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Speaker 1: and it is so tired and cliche at this point,

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Speaker 1: but I cannot help a note. They move heaven and frickin' earth. Yes,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to making sure the military industrial complex

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Speaker 1: we keep these conflicts going endlessly because there is so

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Speaker 1: much money at stake, they will come together in a

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Speaker 1: When it comes to forever war, when it comes to healthcare,

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Speaker 3: Dollars to foreign countries.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean Dave Smith and Jank both yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I am so hopin mad about this one, because once again,

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Speaker 3: I could go on forever. They are not doing any

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Speaker 2: They're doing it for a foreign country, and they're using

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Speaker 1: Any Israel is a wealthy, advanced nay talk about it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, a quote just came across my dad.

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Speaker 2: I really believe the intel and the briefings that we've gotten.

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Speaker 1: Oh jeez, they are in court. Jesus Christ. What year

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Speaker 2: What year? I feel live? Jumonji meme? What year is it?

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Speaker 5: Hours last night and proposed different paths for the speaker.

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Speaker 2: Here, So yeah, I mean screwing over your own party

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Speaker 4: stand by Israel, our close ally and dear friend, and

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Speaker 4: we were going to stand for freedom and make sure

437
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Speaker 4: that Vladimir Putin doesn't march through Europe. These are important responsibilities.

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Speaker 4: A strong America is good for the entire world. Since

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Speaker 4: World War Two, really, really the responsibility for the free

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Speaker 4: world has been shifted onto our shoulders, and we accept

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Speaker 4: that role. We're an exceptional nation. We're the greatest nation

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Speaker 4: on the planet, and we have to act like and

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Speaker 4: we have to project to Putin and g and Iran

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Speaker 4: and North Korea and anybody else that we will defend freedom.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean boots on the ground. We're not the

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Speaker 4: world's policeman. But we're going to do the right thing.

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Speaker 4: And I did tell the President the plan on all

448
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Speaker 4: of this, and I think he clearly understands why we're

449
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Speaker 4: running display and why we.

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Speaker 8: Need to do this.

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Speaker 4: I think this sets up the next election, the next administration,

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Speaker 4: the next president, and I believe he's going to win

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Speaker 4: in a better position.

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Speaker 3: So Trump endorsed the plan, spoke with Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 2: He's an idiot. So when he hears from Lindsay Graham,

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Speaker 2: where he hits from Lindsay Graham, it's a loan.

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Speaker 3: Trump is like a love loans, Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: And so now we're doing a fake loan to the

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Speaker 2: most corrupt government on the planet. The AID actually allows

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Speaker 2: you to cancel the AID, to cancel the loan, if

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Speaker 2: you're the president.

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Speaker 3: What do you think Biden's going to do on day one?

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Speaker 3: After this passes, We're never gonna.

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Speaker 1: We're never get paid back, whether it's technically dead or alone.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's not going to have Yeah, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: I never want to hear from a single soul ever

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Speaker 1: again that Trump is some anti war president. It's always

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Speaker 1: been preposterous. If you looked at his record last time around.

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Speaker 1: I mean he was actually very hawkish towards Russia. In

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Speaker 1: spite of the rhetoric and the Russia Gate, you know,

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Speaker 1: phenomenon and obsession and derangement and whatever, it was, actually

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Speaker 1: in his policy quite hawkish towards Russia. He was consistently

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Speaker 1: rolled by the deep state, by the intel community in

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Speaker 1: the same way that Mike Johnson is here and you know,

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Speaker 1: standing right beside Mike Johnson on the same thing. The

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Speaker 1: last thing I want to make clear to people is

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Speaker 1: there are really two reasons why this is happening right

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Speaker 1: now as far as I can see. Number one is

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Speaker 1: Israel's provocation viz a vi Iran bombing their embassy and

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Speaker 1: then the inevitable retaliation. That is part of what gave

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Speaker 1: this thing momentum right now. So once again bb playing

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Speaker 1: us like a fiddle, getting his way, getting the a

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Speaker 1: that has been hung up until now. So that's number one.

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Speaker 1: And number two is what you just heard there, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump giving it the go ahead and you know, putting

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Speaker 1: his hands on this and saying basically, yes, this has

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Speaker 1: my blessing. He's incredibly influential with the Republican Caucus. They

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Speaker 1: basically follow his lead on many things, and so I

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Speaker 1: think the fact that it had his buy in was

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Speaker 1: essential to creating this moment. Sotta write a question for you,

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Speaker 1: which is, you know, is this a fade, a complete

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Speaker 1: or is there any chance that Democrats don't want to

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Speaker 1: go along that they're nervous Because I know there's some

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Speaker 1: nervousness from some Democrats about our if we pass the

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Speaker 1: rule that puts this in their hands. We don't know

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Speaker 1: if we're going to get the humanitarian aid that we

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Speaker 1: need to pretend like we care about civilians being massacred

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Speaker 1: in Gaza. Do you think there's any chance that this

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Speaker 1: gets blocked?

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Speaker 2: There is, So there's several things. The vote is going

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Speaker 2: to happen on Saturday night. It's a long time from

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Speaker 2: now till Saturday. Somehow shenanigans. It's possible that the motion

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Speaker 2: to vacate comes up that would require the whole speakership thing. However,

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Speaker 2: there's been some indications currently the Democrats, at least some Democrats,

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Speaker 2: would save Mike Johnson's speakership just to make sure that

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Speaker 2: there is no more chaos in the House. Josh Gottheimer

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Speaker 2: in particular, wants to fund Israel. That's right, you guessed it,

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Speaker 2: and that's one of the reasons why he's.

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Speaker 1: Decided to do that, Guy Moscowitz.

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Speaker 2: So these individuals there, look, I mean, there is enough

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Speaker 2: room here to work with where I would say it

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Speaker 2: is likelier than not. This is based upon the sources

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Speaker 2: that I've spoken to. Keep in mind my sources, at

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Speaker 2: least the people will talk to me. These are the

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Speaker 2: people who don't want this stuff to pass. So when

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Speaker 2: they tell me, I know it's actually likely on this one,

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Speaker 2: I believe them because their analysis of the situation and

518
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Speaker 2: the coalitions and all of that involved are that because

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Speaker 2: you've got the Dems willing to work on Ukraine and

520
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Speaker 2: the Republicans willing to work so hard on Israel that

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Speaker 2: it is allowing the corrupt bargain to go through without

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Speaker 2: enough objection. You've also basically bought off the progressives with

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Speaker 2: this pitily humanitarian aid and giving them enough, say the

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Speaker 2: Congressional Progressive Caucus and others, a decent portion of them

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Speaker 2: are going to vote for it because does include humanitarian

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Speaker 2: aid for Gaza, and also that gives an out to

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Speaker 2: the Senate Democrats should that whenever this moves over to

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Speaker 2: the Senate, even the people like Chris van Holland and

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Speaker 2: all others they've indicated they would vote for Israel aid

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Speaker 2: and one of the ways they can do it is, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it sends weapons, would send humanitarian aid too, which is

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Speaker 2: there is something sick right about paying for the wounds

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Speaker 2: of the people who are are people who are wounded

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Speaker 2: by bombs that are also sing yeah, you.

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Speaker 1: Bomb, and then you send them a loaf of bread.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is the problem in Gaza in terms

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Speaker 1: of the humanitarian situation isn't a lack of availability of aid.

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Speaker 1: There's hundreds of trucks that are still backed up at

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Speaker 1: the borders. The problem is our great ally Israel blocking

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Speaker 1: food and fuel and water from being able to come in.

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Speaker 1: And there are a lot of indications that in spite

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Speaker 1: of their claims that they're improving the humanitarian situation, that

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Speaker 1: they're certainly not living up to the pledges that they

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Speaker 1: made and what's getting in is still wildly insufficient. So

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Speaker 1: you know, the humanitarian aid is ass covering so that

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Speaker 1: people like Chris van Holland, who has made a big

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Speaker 1: show of saying some really important things with regard to Gaza,

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Speaker 1: can point to that to justify shipping more bombs to

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Speaker 1: massacre women, children. I mean, some of the reports coming

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Speaker 1: out about this is the largest cohort of children who

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Speaker 1: have had amputations that we've ever seen. Are going to

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Speaker 1: be made for life, the trauma that they're going to experience,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna ship more bombs to create more death, destruction, annihilation, trauma,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. But don't worry, we'll send you a loaf

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Speaker 1: of bread as well. That'll make it better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, it's total chaos, and it is.

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Speaker 2: It is certainly possible that this may not pass, but

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Speaker 2: right now I would bet on it passing. And honestly,

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Speaker 2: I should have never gotten my hopes up. We only

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Speaker 2: got a three month reprieve. I should have known that

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Speaker 2: they will.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: They always win in the end, every time, the military

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Speaker 2: industrial complex, the neo cons. No matter what you or

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Speaker 2: I think, no matter the fact that the vast majority

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Speaker 2: of the American people are not for any of this

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Speaker 2: aid to Ukraine and to Israel, it doesn't matter. And

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Speaker 2: it's just up days after tax Day, just a little

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Speaker 2: bit too on the nose.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about Israel, as we just

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Speaker 2: talked about, and where some of this money may be going,

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Speaker 2: and who's going to be funding and what exactly they're

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Speaker 2: going to do about it. So here we have Benjamin

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Speaker 2: Netanyahu who is speaking about the striking Iran in retaliation.

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Speaker 2: We can go ahead and play it, and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to read they say they also have some objections. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it, but I want to clarify. He says that

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Speaker 2: we will make our own decisions. He's talking here about

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Speaker 2: the United States. He says, the State of Israel will

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Speaker 2: do everything necessary to defend itself. Today, the Cabinet will

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Speaker 2: approve a plan to rebuild the settlements of the Gaza Strip.

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Speaker 2: We will invest a very low some of shekels to

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Speaker 2: make the settlements of Gaza available to generations. We will

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Speaker 2: invest in housing, infrastructure, education and employment. So he's talking

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Speaker 2: there about two things. He's talking about striking Iran, the

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Speaker 2: State of Israel, we will do whatever we want to do.

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Speaker 2: And he's also talking about using money, US money, presumably right,

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Speaker 2: some of these shekels, where do you think exactly they're

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Speaker 2: coming from.

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Speaker 3: Shechel, by the way, is the currency of the State

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Speaker 3: of Israel.

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Speaker 2: In case people didn't know that, using that to build

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Speaker 2: settlements in the Godstrap and complete contravention of US policy.

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Speaker 2: And we will get to some of the changes in

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Speaker 2: US policy and all that in a little bit. But

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Speaker 2: this comes as the entire world, the Western world, is

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Speaker 2: trying to descend upon Israel, begging them, please, please don't

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Speaker 2: get us into a war with Iran, and yet they

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Speaker 2: continue to walk away, being told by their benefit, being

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Speaker 2: told straight to the face of their own benefactors, that

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Speaker 2: they are.

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Speaker 3: Going to do it. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. This is

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Speaker 2: from the Times of Israel. You could take it. You've

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Speaker 2: got After meeting with President Herzog of Israel, David Cameron,

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Speaker 2: the UK Foreign Minister says, quote it is now clear

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Speaker 2: that Israel will respond to the Iran attack. The British

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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister quote, Hope's retaliation will not further escalating tensions,

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Speaker 2: calls for the G seven to sanction Iran, and the

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Speaker 2: visiting German Foreign Minister also says all parties must act

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Speaker 2: prudently and responsibility. So you have Tony Blinken, who is

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Speaker 2: pressuring them President Biden here, You've got the freaking British

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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister, a huge supporter of the State of Israel.

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Speaker 2: You've got the German Foreign Minister, all of these people

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Speaker 2: descending there. Apparently Prime Minister Netanyau even put a call

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Speaker 2: off for several hours with the Prime Minister of the UK,

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Speaker 2: where the Prime Minister was like, hey, man, like, maybe

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Speaker 2: just keep us out of this one, because it would

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Speaker 2: just be easier for all of us if we didn't

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Speaker 2: have to shoot down missiles for you. And yet that's

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Speaker 2: not what this is. A government acting in complete impunity.

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Speaker 2: We've seen this many many times. But again, let's just

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Speaker 2: play it for the whole world, for all of us,

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Speaker 2: since we're the ones who are funding this.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. You know, things were getting a

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Speaker 1: little out for Nan Yahoo. There was a little bit

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Speaker 1: of scrutiny about what was going on in Gaza. The

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Speaker 1: Americans were going to increasingly uncomfortable. It was becoming increasingly untenable.

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Speaker 1: How much has the horrific annihilation and humanitarian disaster, the

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Speaker 1: famine in northern Gaza, how much has that fallen out

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Speaker 1: of the news As everybody starts beating the war drums

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Speaker 1: and getting all hyped up about this conflict with Iran.

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Speaker 1: There were these reports acer I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: buy these or not, because it was from a like

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Speaker 1: not totally certain news source that the US back channeled Iran.

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Speaker 1: Was like, how much you let Israel do a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a retaliatory attack and just let it be?

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Speaker 1: Like can you imagine if we were directly attack? Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine if our embassy was attacked how we would respond? Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Emily and I played this exchange with Matt Miller. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you saw Matt Lee pressing him on

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Speaker 1: all right, because their dodge is well, we don't know

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Speaker 1: if it was really a consulate building that Israel hit.

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Speaker 1: We're investigating, we haven't really figured that out yet. That's

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Speaker 1: their dodge to avoid condemning Israel for starting this whole

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Speaker 1: terrifying chain of escalation that risks dragging us directly into

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Speaker 1: conflict with Iran, even though I genuinely think that the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration actually wants to avoid this direct conflict, but

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Speaker 1: they haven't done a single thing to try to forestall

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Speaker 1: that eventuality. So yeah, BB and Israel they act like,

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Speaker 1: you know, toddlers who haven't been disciplined, who know they

653
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Speaker 1: can get away with whatever the hell they want to

654
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Speaker 1: get away with, because they always do. Because we'll do

655
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Speaker 1: things like, you know, pretend we're having an investigation into

656
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Speaker 1: whether or not they really hit an embassy. Trust me,

657
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: if they didn't hit an embassy or consulate building, we

658
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: would have said it right away. The fact that we're

659
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Speaker 1: out here pretending like we've got to do some months

660
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: long investigation to figure that out tells you everything you

661
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: need to know about what actually unfolded here. But we

662
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Speaker 1: will deny my reality. We will lie, we will cover up,

663
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Speaker 1: and we will continue moving heaven and earth to ship

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Speaker 1: them their bombs, to continue doing whatever the hell they

665
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Speaker 1: want to do. Our interest and the safety of our

666
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Speaker 1: service members and our people be damned.

667
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is America last, its finest. Let's put this

668
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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Just I want to reiterate

669
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Speaker 2: again how many world leaders are quote urging restraint. You

670
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: again have the war cabinet and the far right who

671
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Speaker 2: are all saying that we need to have swift action.

672
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Speaker 2: But then you have basically every leader of a G

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Speaker 2: seven nation who is urging restraint, who is even rhetorically

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Speaker 2: backing up Israel, but is reaching out and urging caution

675
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Speaker 2: and not to have retaliation. It is just virtual certainty

676
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Speaker 2: this is going to lead for some sort of tit

677
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: for tat escalation. The United States will be involved. We

678
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: already know that because we already were involved. We shot

679
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Speaker 2: down the majority of the missiles. If there is more

680
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Speaker 2: of an escalation then will be even more involved in

681
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Speaker 2: shooting that down.

682
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Speaker 1: And BB has one of the BOBE has wanted this decades,

683
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Speaker 1: urged us to.

684
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Speaker 3: Do this for years.

685
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Speaker 2: Yesterday on the zero Hedge Debate, we played a clip

686
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Speaker 2: of him advocating for the overthrow of the Iranian regime

687
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two before Congress. This is on tape.

688
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: It's literally right there out in the open. He has

689
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Speaker 2: urged every president from George W. Bush onward to overthrow

690
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Speaker 2: the Iranian regime and to bomb Iran. He tried to

691
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Speaker 2: get Trump to do it. He tried to get Obama

692
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Speaker 2: to do it. There's a whole interesting Atlantic series. You

693
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: guys can go read it if you want. Jeffrey Goldberg

694
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: sat there and let BB spout a bs about why

695
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Speaker 2: America should go to war. He came to our soil

696
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Speaker 2: against our own president of the United States and spoke

697
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Speaker 2: against the Iran deal.

698
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Speaker 3: He tried to get up. He tried to get George W.

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Speaker 2: Bush, As I said, multiple times after Iraq, and he

700
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Speaker 2: had many supporters in the cabinet. The only thing that

701
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: saved us from going to war with Iran is that

702
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: the Iraq War was such a disaster, because if it

703
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: had gone even remotely well, then he could have convinced

704
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Speaker 2: Condoleeza Rice and all these other idiots to do that

705
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: as well. Absolutely, let's just keep in mind exactly who

706
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: we're dealing with. He says all these things out in

707
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: the opening. It feels totally comfortable. Yeah, any last things

708
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 2: for the movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even though it's utterly psychotic, Like I

710
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: genuinely can't wrap my head around the psychopathy that it

711
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: requires to just like casually flirt with this gigantic war.

712
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Speaker 1: You can see why he did it, because now the

713
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Speaker 1: frame of conversation isn't oh my god, here's a baby

714
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Speaker 1: who you're starving to death in Gaza. Now the frame

715
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Speaker 1: of conversation is freaking Mike Johnson out there talking about

716
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: the access of evil. That's much stronger ground for bb

717
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: net Yahu with the political class here, certainly with the

718
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Speaker 1: Democrats who are in power here. And you know, frankly,

719
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Speaker 1: it's just a much better conversation for him to take

720
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Speaker 1: the focus off the suffering of Palestinians at their hands

721
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Speaker 1: and at our hands. That completely shifts the frame in

722
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Speaker 1: a way that is much more favorable for him. And also,

723
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Speaker 1: by the way, you know, it's not an accident that

724
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: this is right at the moment when there was Haretz

725
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: op ed saying listen, we got to face it. This

726
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: has been a disaster. We have lost on every reasonable

727
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: metric of success in Gaza. So he also has to

728
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: shift the frame domestically to some other victory that he

729
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: can chase after. So the logic of it is sick,

730
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Speaker 1: but you can see exactly how he made this calculation

731
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Speaker 1: and decided to thrust all of us into this incredible chaos.

732
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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to Arizona. This is very,

733
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Speaker 2: very impactful in terms of the electoral news. So just

734
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: yesterday there was major breaking in terms of after the

735
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Speaker 2: Arizona Supreme Court upheld a Civil War era law which

736
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Speaker 2: banned abortion across the board in the entire state. There

737
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: has been now an intra GOP fight on whether to

738
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Speaker 2: try and repeal that law or not.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Just yesterday, the state Senate introduced a bill to repeal

741
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Speaker 2: that abortion band. And by the way, by repeal, I

742
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: just mean adding for rape incests and.

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Speaker 3: The life of the mother.

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Speaker 2: But the House actually blocked the effort to do so,

745
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Speaker 2: showing that the House Republican leadership quote shows no signs

746
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Speaker 2: of relenting despite pressure from prominent Republicans, including Trump, to

747
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: toss the ban that many voters quote view as extreme

748
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Speaker 2: and archaic.

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Speaker 3: I think that that's a reasonable way to put it.

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Speaker 2: Well, the House Republican Leader, the House Speaker, the House

751
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: Legislature was controlled by the Republicans in Arizona. They just

752
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: seem content on throwing this entire election. And it is

753
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: astounding because this is a position that is not held

754
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Speaker 2: by even a majority of the minority I guess of

755
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: the people who are pro life, and yet that's the

756
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: current law on the books in a critical battleground state.

757
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Speaker 2: What's even more astounding to me is how the politicians

758
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Speaker 2: there are navigating it. So Carrie Lake, somebody who is

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00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: the Arizona Senate candidate, previously on tape saying she was

760
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Speaker 2: completely fine with the ban. Then after the ban came out,

761
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Speaker 2: she said, well, yeah, we should have some sort of repeal.

762
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Speaker 2: We need to come sort of a consensus, but I

763
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Speaker 2: support exceptions for the life and the mother. Well here

764
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Speaker 2: she is just yesterday in an interview in local Arizona

765
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Speaker 2: media where now she's changing her tune a little bit.

766
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Speaker 2: She does support the band. She says something else, which

767
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Speaker 2: you'll listen out for him. We'll flag it after we listen.

768
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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: Can you explain your shift on abortion from civil war

770
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Speaker 9: law to now.

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Speaker 6: No federal ban on abortion, because I believe that, truly,

772
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Speaker 6: that's something that people do want to hear from what

773
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Speaker 6: we've heard this past.

774
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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, I've never shifted from the no

775
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 10: federal ban. You know, if you're my age or older,

776
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Speaker 10: you've been on this planet for more than fifty years.

777
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 10: Roby Wade was was the law of the land, even

778
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 10: though both sides knew it was unconstitutional, and the Supreme

779
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 10: Court struck that down and brought the decision back to

780
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 10: the state. So we're going to have fifty different state laws.

781
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Speaker 10: So we need to find some common sense approach. I'm

782
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 10: never going to apologize for wanting to say babies and

783
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 10: being pro life, but I also realize the world that

784
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 10: we're living in, even if we have a restrictive law here,

785
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 10: you can go three hours that way, three hours that way,

786
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 10: and you're gonna be able to have an abortion. We

787
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 10: have to start working in the minds and hearts of women.

788
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the ways to win over the minds

789
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: and hearts of women, Crystal is to say, yeah, I know,

790
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: in our state, the state that you live in, and

791
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: that you pay taxes in voting, I know, I know,

792
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: that's really tough. And that's why it's okay that you

793
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: have to get into a car and you can drive

794
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: three hours that way or three hours that way. Also,

795
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: depending on where you live in Arizona, it may be

796
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: several hours. And also you may have to get on

797
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: a plane. So it's actually gonna cost you some money

798
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: as opposed to being able to pursue what you want

799
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 2: to do in your own home state. That sounds really

800
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: comforting to a lot of the voters who are concerned

801
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: about this.

802
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: What are these people? Are they living in an alternative reality?

803
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: Right? Well?

804
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: What is happening here? Am I losing my mind here?

805
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

806
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the line is basically, oh, it's no big

807
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: deal because you can just like go over state lines

808
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: and still do the same thing. She's framing it in

809
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: terms of like, that's a bad thing, but the subtimes

810
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: here is like, yeah, don't freak out, because you know

811
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: there are other states around that aren't using eighteen sixty

812
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: four laws passed by settler pedophiles, that you can avail

813
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: yourself of the rights that you previously enjoyed in our state,

814
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, just to help people understand why the Republicans

815
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: in the House in Arizona may have made what seems

816
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: on its face to be this sort of like politically

817
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: insane decision of making sure that this law stays as

818
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: it is on the books. And it's because of the

819
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: power of organized minority groups, and this is what is

820
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Speaker 1: long driven abortion politics really, and in particular, you know

821
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Speaker 1: you have it is especially now a minority position to

822
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Speaker 1: have this effectively absolute ban. But for people that vote

823
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: on that issue in the Republican Party in particular, they

824
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: are the ones who support such things. So if you're

825
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: doing the calculus of like, I don't want to face

826
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: a Republican primary next time around, if you have a

827
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: lot of people who are organized that hold this fringe

828
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: view in terms of the American people, that can end

829
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: up being a real political threat to you. And you

830
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: know the other thing is you're gonna have to deal

831
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Speaker 1: with the situation that Carrie Lake is dealing with of

832
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: wait a second, voters looking at you and going, wait

833
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: a second. Previously you said you love the S band.

834
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: Previously you said you believed in you know, heartbeat bills

835
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: and fetal personhood and all this stuff. So why the change?

836
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: Why suddenly is there this incredible world flip flop? And

837
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: listen to be fair to that position. If you are

838
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: a person who genuinely believes that abortion is murder, if

839
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: that's your principal position, then this like leave it up

840
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: to the states, and it's cool if they have murder

841
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: in California. And actually I want to allow a little

842
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: bit more murder here in Arizona because I'm doing this

843
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: political calculus and it doesn't look good to me, Like

844
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: I think it's fair for people who hold that moral

845
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: position and believed you when you were all all in

846
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: with them when there were no consequences, are disgusted with

847
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: the flip flop?

848
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Speaker 3: No, it should be.

849
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're very pro life, you should be repulsed

850
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: also by people who are basically willing to use you

851
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: as upon And if your pro choice. You should just

852
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 2: look at this and be like, Wow, this is freaking crazy. Yeah, electorally,

853
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: we already know what's going to happen here Lo and behold,

854
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: let's put this up there on the screen.

855
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: What do we got?

856
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: A key change in the way that the Arizona Senate

857
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: race is being rated in terms of which way it's

858
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: going to go, it has now gone from toss up

859
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: to Lean's Democratic, and in terms of the House rating,

860
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: same thing in the Arizona sixth district, Lean's Republican to

861
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: toss up so est safe seat, easy seat one that

862
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be a checkbox Leans Republican.

863
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: It's Arizona, for God's sake, right, Nope, not anymore.

864
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: And now Carrie Lake, i mean carry had all kinds

865
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: of problems already with stop the steal, with abortion, healthcare,

866
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 2: we can all go on forever. So it's her highlight

867
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: reel was going to be a problem for her no

868
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 2: matter what, especially in a state where we've had multiple

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Speaker 2: races now both presidential and statewide, where Democrats did better

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Speaker 2: than expected. But this is just the gift to Democrats.

871
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Speaker 2: This is the greatest gift you could ever get. You

872
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Speaker 2: have one of the most extreme abortion laws in the

873
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Speaker 2: whole country. And now you got a lady who used

874
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Speaker 2: to support it is on tape and now is like

875
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Speaker 2: kind of wishy washy on where things could go.

876
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Speaker 3: Good luck.

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Speaker 2: You know, Republicans, you know you're taking some of the

878
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 2: best headwinds in a presidential election and you're just throwing

879
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: it away on an issue where you're not even going

880
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: to win in the first place, I've seen.

881
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Speaker 3: Somebody, actually, I think it was Mike Cernovich you said this.

882
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Speaker 2: He was like, hey, pro lifers, I'm not sure if

883
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Speaker 2: you know this, but there's actually been a net increase

884
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Speaker 2: in abortion in the United States since Roe versus Wade.

885
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Speaker 2: So you guys are drawing your red lines and saying

886
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: you won't vote for Trump and causing all these problems electorally.

887
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Speaker 2: And not only are you going to cause future electoral losses,

888
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: you didn't even win the fight, you know that you

889
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: allegedly set out to do. So it's just been it's

890
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: just ridiculous all the way around.

891
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just so you know, it's not an accident

892
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: that these ratings changes come right now. The Cook Political

893
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 1: actually pointed specifically to this eighteen sixty four abortion ban

894
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Speaker 1: and also the fact, by the way, remember there's likely

895
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Speaker 1: to be a ballot initiative on the ballot in November

896
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Speaker 1: that will allow voters to repeal that ban, which is

897
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Speaker 1: very motivating obviously for people who are even remotely on

898
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Speaker 1: the pro choice side of the ledger. And also the fact,

899
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Speaker 1: and this is something we'll have to cover another time,

900
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Speaker 1: that Republican fundraising is dramatically lagging behind Democratic fundraising. And

901
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Speaker 1: that's actually not just an Arizona phenomenon. That's almost across

902
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Speaker 1: the board. And you know, there could be a lot

903
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Speaker 1: of reasons for that. I think Donald Trump is a

904
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Speaker 1: big reason for He is like just sucked dry the

905
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Speaker 1: Republican donor base. There's also a report that he's now

906
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Speaker 1: demanding any Republican candidate that uses his name in a

907
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Speaker 1: fundraising pitch, he's demanding that they give him a five

908
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: percent kickback of whatever they raise off of it. So

909
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's sort of single handedly undermining Republicans' ability

910
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Speaker 1: to fundraise. And I also think that abortion plays into

911
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Speaker 1: the fundraising piece too here, because it's very motivating issue

912
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Speaker 1: for Democratic aligned individuals and specifically donors and Republicans are

913
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Speaker 1: kind of like demoralized around the way that all of

914
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Speaker 1: this has unfolded. Just to show you to this data

915
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Speaker 1: for Progress poll demonstrating just how unpopular the Arizona abortion

916
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Speaker 1: ban actually is, they ask the question, let's put this

917
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Speaker 1: up on the screen. So sixty six percent of voters

918
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Speaker 1: two thirds of the country disapprove of the Arizona Supreme

919
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Speaker 1: Court's near total ban on abortion. And that includes eighty

920
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Speaker 1: two percent of Democrats, sixty six percent of Independence and

921
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Speaker 1: Republicans even basically split fifty to fifty. Forty nine percent

922
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Speaker 1: of Republicans even disapprove of that ban. So just to

923
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Speaker 1: give you a sense of just how toxic this particular

924
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Speaker 1: iteration of abortion bans really is. And you know, Republicans

925
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Speaker 1: can't really run away from it at this point because

926
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Speaker 1: they spent so many years establishing them in this very

927
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Speaker 1: hard line position that you can't try to pull a

928
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Speaker 1: Kerry Lake and just you know, do a one to

929
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Speaker 1: eighty and pretend like you didn't say the things that

930
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Speaker 1: you said in the past, because we can all roll

931
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Speaker 1: the tape.

932
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Speaker 2: You're exactly right, Crystal, And just by the way, you know,

933
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Speaker 2: in terms of more messaging from Republicans sees not exactly

934
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Speaker 2: helpful here, we have Senator Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee

935
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Speaker 2: where she says that Griswold versus Connecticut is constitutionally unsound. Griswold,

936
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Speaker 2: for those of you who don't know, is the one

937
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Speaker 2: that legalized birth control.

938
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Speaker 11: Let's take a listen constitutionally unsound rulings like Griswold versus Connecticut,

939
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 11: Kila versus City of New London, and n FIB versus

940
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Speaker 11: Sibilius confused Tennesseeans and left Congress wondering who gave the

941
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Speaker 11: court permission to bypass our system of checks and balances?

942
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Speaker 3: Okay, good luck.

943
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Speaker 2: Now we're against the case that legalized birth control, all right,

944
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Speaker 2: unless you got are literally going to pass a law

945
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Speaker 2: almost immediately after so that gets repealed.

946
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Speaker 3: I don't even know.

947
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how's that gone with IVF? I know, you know,

948
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Speaker 1: I mean the Republicans are blocking at the federal level.

949
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's at least a pro life case for IVF.

950
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Speaker 1: Right, Absolutely, more babies if your family values you want

951
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: more babies, like IVF is an important part of that.

952
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, you can see, you know, even when they

953
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Speaker 1: recognize this is politically disastrous, like in Arizona, Kerry Lake

954
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Speaker 1: trying to backtrack Donald Trump like, oh, of course we

955
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Speaker 1: support IVF et cetera, et cetera. When it comes down

956
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Speaker 1: to how they actually vote, they just can't do it

957
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Speaker 1: because there's still so much influence from the very organized

958
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Speaker 1: pro life crowd, which has been able over decades. I mean, listen,

959
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: you have to give it to them in terms of

960
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: their sticktuitiveness, in terms of their determination, in terms of

961
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: like the savvy tactics that they used, but to basically

962
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Speaker 1: force a minority fringe position on the entire country. And

963
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Speaker 1: the part that they failed on though, was having any

964
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Speaker 1: sort of plan for what happens next. So in that way,

965
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: they really are the dog that caught the car with

966
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: regards to Roe being overturned and the Dobs decision, And

967
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Speaker 1: it's it's wild, wildwist out.

968
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Speaker 2: There, that's all I'll say, exactly right.

969
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: So we don't want to lose sight of some of

970
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: the updates that are coming out of Israel, including a

971
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Speaker 1: bombshell doing report from UNRA. Now, as we head into

972
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Speaker 1: the segment, I just want you to keep in mind

973
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Speaker 1: as a context that our government just officially certified that

974
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Speaker 1: they have no evidence Israel is violating international humanitarian law. Okay,

975
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Speaker 1: keep that in mind as we move forward. Let's put

976
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Speaker 1: this latest report from UNRA on detainees Palestinine detainees being

977
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Speaker 1: held by Israel being tortured. This matches up, by the way,

978
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Speaker 1: with a number of prior media accounts, but I want

979
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Speaker 1: to give you some of the specifics here because they

980
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: really matter. So first of all, let me read a

981
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: little bit from this report. They say ill treatment of

982
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Speaker 1: detainees was reported to have occurred primarily while in the

983
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Speaker 1: barracks and to have intensified in advance of interrogation sessions.

984
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Speaker 1: This included being subjected to beatings while made to lie

985
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Speaker 1: on a thin mattress on top of rubble for hours

986
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Speaker 1: without food, water, or access to a toilet, with their

987
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: legs and hands bound with plastic ties. As a side note,

988
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Speaker 1: there are doctors who came out and said that amputations

989
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: of limbs because of handcuffing procedures was commonplace in these facilities.

990
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: The report goes on to say several detainees reported being

991
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Speaker 1: forced into cages and attacked by dogs. Some release detainees,

992
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: including a childhead dog bite wounds on their body. Detainees

993
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: were threatened with prolonged detention, injury or the killing of

994
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: family members if they did not provide requested information. One

995
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Speaker 1: detainee said, and this is difficult to hear, so warning there,

996
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Speaker 1: but this is their quote. They made me sit on

997
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Speaker 1: something like a hot metal stick and it felt like

998
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: I have burns in the anus. The soldiers hit me

999
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: with their shoes on my chest and use something like

1000
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Speaker 1: a metal stick that had a small nail on the side.

1001
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: They asked us to drink from the toilet and made

1002
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Speaker 1: the dogs attack us. There were people who were detained

1003
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Speaker 1: and killed, maybe nine of them. One of them died

1004
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: after they put the electric stick up his anus. He

1005
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: got so sick we saw worms coming out of his

1006
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Speaker 1: body and then he died. That was an adult male

1007
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Speaker 1: detainee who was aged forty one years. There have been

1008
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Speaker 1: thousands of Palestinians that we know who have been detained

1009
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Speaker 1: by the Israelis since October seventh. In addition, in Sager,

1010
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Speaker 1: this is very significant to the US and our policy

1011
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Speaker 1: because you'll recall we led the charge in terms of

1012
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Speaker 1: defunding UNRA ANRA being the number one aid organization on

1013
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: the ground in Gaza. That is part of what has

1014
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Speaker 1: contributed to these disastrous humanitarian conditions and turning, including mass

1015
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Speaker 1: epidemic of starvation and children literally star sarving to death.

1016
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Speaker 1: So we led the charge on that our Congress has

1017
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Speaker 1: now passed legislation that requires we continue the defunding of

1018
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Speaker 1: UNRA through at least twenty twenty five WILL. And this

1019
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Speaker 1: was all based on these allegations that some Unrestaffed members

1020
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Speaker 1: participated in some way, some small number of unrestaff members

1021
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Speaker 1: this was the allegation participate in some way alongside HAMAS

1022
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Speaker 1: on October seven.

1023
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Speaker 2: Well.

1024
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Speaker 1: In addition, what this report says is that unrestaff members

1025
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Speaker 1: reported being interrogated about the work performed by UNRA and

1026
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Speaker 1: the specific functions they perform on behalf of UNRA. They

1027
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Speaker 1: also reported being subjected to threats and coercion while in

1028
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Speaker 1: detention and being pressured to make forced confessions against the agency,

1029
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Speaker 1: including that the agency has affiliations with HAMAS and the

1030
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Speaker 1: Unrestaffed took part in the October seventh attacks against Israel.

1031
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: So what this report indicates is that those supposed confessions

1032
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Speaker 1: were obtained under torture. This, again, Sager, is something that

1033
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Speaker 1: had been previously reported in the press, but confirmation here

1034
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Speaker 1: coming from a un body of the outright torture being

1035
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Speaker 1: committed routinely against Palestinian detainees being held by Israel. We

1036
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Speaker 1: got some statement from the State Department of like, you know,

1037
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: we want to answers from Israel. I'm sure we'll never

1038
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Speaker 1: get those.

1039
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's ironic, right, And it's also one of

1040
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Speaker 2: those interesting point that Dave brought up last night at

1041
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: the zero Hedge debate is he kept saying, like, one

1042
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: of the reasons that we're able to have hostage swaps

1043
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: is He's like, because Israel has a bunch of hostages,

1044
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Speaker 2: excuse me, prisoners, And it was one of those things

1045
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: where I was thinking, like, yeah, you know what, that

1046
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Speaker 2: really doesn't get a lot more attention about who exactly

1047
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Speaker 2: some of these prisoners are and in terms of the

1048
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Speaker 2: way not only that they're treated, but in terms of

1049
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Speaker 2: the way that they're like disparately viewed. And I think

1050
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Speaker 2: that that is part of the issue overall with US policy.

1051
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: We focused a lot on one group, we completely obscure

1052
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Speaker 2: the actions of another group. And the real issue from

1053
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Speaker 2: what I really, you know, came home to me yesterday

1054
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 2: is that for the pro Israel side, moral relativism itself

1055
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: is the enemy and that enemy of that, and I

1056
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: understand that to a certain extent. But the issue is

1057
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Speaker 2: that whenever we're talking here, specifically about the government, a

1058
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: third party actor allegedly for the US and our disparate

1059
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Speaker 2: treatment in the way that we view one group and

1060
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Speaker 2: not the other group, I think that's where everything just

1061
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: completely falls apart, because we're not even talking about our

1062
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 2: interests here, we're just like blindly supporting, yeah, another group.

1063
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Speaker 1: Well, there's just a blanket assumption that if it's the

1064
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Speaker 1: actions of israelis if they do something wrong, which comes

1065
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Speaker 1: with a lot well, I don't know who said that,

1066
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Speaker 1: and we need proof and whatever, and maybe it's just

1067
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Speaker 1: Hamas made this up or you're antisemitic, that's why you're

1068
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: saying this. But if they, in some rare instance did

1069
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Speaker 1: something wrong, it was always with the best of intentions.

1070
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Speaker 1: Whereas if it was a Palestinian and certainly if it

1071
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Speaker 1: was Hamas that did something wrong, well the worst possible

1072
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Speaker 1: intentions are assumed. And so you can you know, some

1073
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Speaker 1: of the comments that were made with a straight face

1074
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Speaker 1: about like, well, Israel doesn't intentionally target civilians. It's like,

1075
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Speaker 1: have you been watching the same war that we have,

1076
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: where they literally announce a complete siege that definitionly targets

1077
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Speaker 1: literally every civilian in the Gaza strip. Not to mention

1078
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Speaker 1: the revelations that just came out about this AI software

1079
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Speaker 1: Where's Daddy, where they're intentionally waiting for militants to go

1080
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Speaker 1: home so that they are killed alongside their wives, children,

1081
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Speaker 1: other relatives, any other civilian who happens to be around.

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Speaker 1: There's something else that is very disturbing about the way

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Speaker 1: that Israelis have talked about and conducted this assault, which

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Speaker 1: is they've just made the blanket assumption that any man

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Speaker 1: who is even proximately fighting age is a terrorist. And

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Speaker 1: that's been sort of accepted by the media. And I

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00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: get it in terms of when we're looking at how

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00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: many people have been killed, you know for sure if

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Speaker 1: it's a woman or a child, Okay, there's a civilian,

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Speaker 1: so we'll count them. And then you just sort of

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Speaker 1: assume then that every man who's being slaughtered deserved to

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Speaker 1: be killed, or deserved to be detained and tortured and

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00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: had a metal rod shoved up their ass. There's like

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Speaker 1: an actual war on men and assumption that they are

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Speaker 1: inherently guilty if they happen to be a fighting age

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Speaker 1: that I find to be very deeply, deeply disturbing. At

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Speaker 1: the same time, we're getting another bombshell report about our

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Speaker 1: own government, which again remember the context of the segment,

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Speaker 1: just certified so that we can continue to ship Israel

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Speaker 1: weapons that Israel is not violating international humanitarian law or

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Speaker 1: committing war crimes. Okay, put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So Secretary of State Tony blaken is sitting on staff

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Speaker 1: recommendations to sanction certain Israeli military units which were linked

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Speaker 1: to killings or rapes. This is a pro public a report.

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Speaker 1: Let me read you a little bit of this. A

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Speaker 1: special State Department panel recommended months ago that Tony Blinkeln

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Speaker 1: disqualified multiple Israeli military and police units from receiving US

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Speaker 1: AID after reviewing allegations they committed serious human rights abuses,

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Speaker 1: but Blinkn has failed to act on the proposal in

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Speaker 1: the face of growing international criticisms of the Israeli military's

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Speaker 1: conduct in Gaza. The incidents under review mostly took place

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Speaker 1: in the West Bank and occurred before October seventh. They

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Speaker 1: include reports of extra judicial killings by the Israeli Border

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Speaker 1: police an incident in which a battalion gagged, handcuffed, and

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00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: left an elderly Palestinian American man for dead. And an

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Speaker 1: allegation that interrogators tortured and raped a teenager who had

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Speaker 1: been accused of throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails. And part

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Speaker 1: of that torture was attempting to obtain a confession from

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Speaker 1: this teenager who they allegedly raped with an object and

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Speaker 1: tortured in a variety of other ways. So let me

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Speaker 1: just underscore for you. Number one, this was before October seventh.

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Speaker 1: So this idea that everything was all hunky dory and

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Speaker 1: peaceful and there was a ceasefire and whatever before October seventh,

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00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: clearly nonsense. This was the Westmink. This wasn't even Gaza.

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Speaker 1: So you can't do buttoms with any of this. And

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Speaker 1: second of all, when the State Department came out and

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Speaker 1: said we have no evidence that they've committed human rights abuses,

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Speaker 1: it's a lie. It's just a lie. Your own your

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00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: own state department panel told you they were committing human

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Speaker 1: rights abuses. You have the report, it's sitting in your

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Speaker 1: briefcase or in your desk, or in your email file

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Speaker 1: or wherever you have it. So when you say we

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Speaker 1: have no evidence of that, you are just directly bold

1134
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Speaker 1: faced lying, which isn't a surprise, but it's still important

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Speaker 1: to have this direct confirmation from pro public.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, well, the reason why it matters,

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Speaker 2: I think, just to reiterate, is that if you find

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Speaker 2: them officially in violation, then you can't give them any

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Speaker 2: aid because of the Leahy Law. We have laws on

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Speaker 2: the books that are designed specifically for this purpose as

1141
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Speaker 2: but I will also say they have always found a way.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, one of the first stories that

1143
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: I chased hard here in Washington is that the US

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Speaker 2: government had direct evidence that the Afghan military, who we

1145
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Speaker 2: were funding very similar cases, were raping little boys straight up,

1146
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Speaker 2: and that our money was directly supporting the warlords who

1147
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Speaker 2: were participating in this. And in fact, one of the

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Speaker 2: sources that I had told me that in some cases

1149
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Speaker 2: US military equipment humbies and others provided to the Afghans

1150
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Speaker 2: are actually being used to transport some of these children.

1151
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Speaker 2: And what ended up having all of this, by the way,

1152
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: is sitting in a vault. It's in Congress. They just

1153
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: won't let you and I see it there's an unclassified

1154
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Speaker 2: version that was eventually some of it was released, some

1155
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: of it was leaked to the Washington Post. But because

1156
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: if they released those findings, we would have to shut

1157
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Speaker 2: off the whole war in Afghanistan. And this was while

1158
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: we were still involved in that. So what do you

1159
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: think they did? They just classified the entire thing, and

1160
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Speaker 2: then they also started doing all kinds of other things

1161
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Speaker 2: where certain casualty numbers and others would ended up being released.

1162
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Speaker 2: That's when we could tell how badly the Afghan military

1163
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Speaker 2: was doing. So what they would do is they would

1164
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Speaker 2: just classify the number of dead for the first time

1165
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Speaker 2: in nineteen years or whatever of our experience in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 2: And this is textbook the ways that you get around

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Speaker 2: laws like this, and it is just this is the

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Speaker 2: real deep state right here.

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Speaker 3: This is the deep state.

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Speaker 1: You know. There have been a few State Department officials

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Speaker 1: employees who have resigned out of horror at the Biden

1172
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Speaker 1: administration's policy vis of the Israel. And one of the

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Speaker 1: things they point to is that Israel gets this special treatment.

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Speaker 1: You know, if it was another country, certainly anyone who

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Speaker 1: was remotely adversarial. Okay, we've got our process we had

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Speaker 1: our panel. This panel specifically is exists to look at

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Speaker 1: potential human rights abuses with regards to Israel specifically, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's the whole point in the panel. Any other country

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Speaker 1: has that panel, they make their recommendations, actions are generally taken.

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Speaker 1: You're making a good point about how there are other

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Speaker 1: exceptions as well, but that Israel is treated unlike other nation,

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Speaker 1: And it really turns on the head, you know, the

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Speaker 1: thing that gets thrown at people who are especially trying

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Speaker 1: to support Palestinian rights, or who are deeply concerned about

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Speaker 1: this conflict, or or saying, hey, I'm going to vote

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Speaker 1: based on Joe Biden's facilitation of the slaughter of Palestinians.

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Speaker 1: Here is why are you singling out Israel? Why are

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01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: you just picking on Israel? And it really turns that

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Speaker 1: on its head, because what you can see is actually

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Speaker 1: the US government singles out Israel time and time again

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Speaker 1: for special treatment and allows our own you know, our

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Speaker 1: own government to flout laws put in place to constrain

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Speaker 1: behavior and to make sure that we aren't shipping the

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Speaker 1: bombs that get dropped on refugee camps as one example.

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to Israel, all of that gets buried,

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Speaker 1: it gets pushed aside. There is a special procedure that's

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Speaker 1: different from when it comes to other countries, and so

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Speaker 1: you see it very clearly in this instance. I'm curious

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Speaker 1: to see how Matt Miller or whoever's at the podium

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Speaker 1: today in the State Department briefing, if they have one,

1201
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Speaker 1: how they deal with this latest very inconvenient fact. It'll

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Speaker 1: be some version of like, we're investigating, we are investigating.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the rapport. We'll look into it, we'll

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Speaker 1: get back to you. We take it seriously, of course,

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01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: but they're always investigating and they're never coming to any

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01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: conclusions when it comes to Israel.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's right.

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Speaker 1: All right. Let's go ahead to another important issue that

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Speaker 1: we did not want to miss, which is yesterday they're

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Speaker 1: actually two separate Senate hearings into what the hell is

1211
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Speaker 1: going on over at Boeing. There were two different Boeing

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Speaker 1: whistleblowers who raised extraordinary concerns about what they reportedly saw

1213
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Speaker 1: when they were in Boeing's employ Here is a snippet

1214
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Speaker 1: of one of the whistleblowers. This is Ed Pearson, who says,

1215
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Speaker 1: in no uncertain terms, Boeing is engaged in a criminal

1216
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Speaker 1: cover up with regard to safety violations. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 12: Boeing routinely states that their airplanes meet or exceed all

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01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 12: safety standards. This is untrue and misrepresents the safety of

1219
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Speaker 12: the airplanes. The company illegally removed thousands of quality control

1220
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 12: inspections on individual airplanes without the FA's knowledge and without

1221
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 12: the knowledge of the airlines. Although many of these inspections

1222
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Speaker 12: have been reinstated, hundreds of airplanes have left Boeing factories

1223
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 12: without those thousands of inspections. My last point is that

1224
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Speaker 12: Department of Justice and FBI relied on the slanted results

1225
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Speaker 12: of the first Max accident investigation to develop an illegal

1226
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Speaker 12: and unjust deferred prosecution agreement. The NTSP chair reiterated Congress

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Speaker 12: last week that Boeing has said there are no records

1228
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 12: documenting the removal of the Alaska Airlines store. I'm not

1229
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 12: going to sugarcoat this. This is a criminal cover up.

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01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 12: Records do in fact exists. I know this because I've

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Speaker 12: personally passed him to the FBI.

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to underscore what he's saying right there,

1233
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: because these hearings are of course directly about that Alaska

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01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: Airlines door plug which came out in mid flight, terrifying.

1235
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Speaker 1: Thank god, no one was injured, you know, really, by

1236
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: the grace of God, it could have been that everyone

1237
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: on board that aircraft was deceased. And in the context

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01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: of that investigation, Boeing said, oh, some of these safety records.

1239
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to him. We misplaced them. Oops. Oops,

1240
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: just an honest mistake here, And he's saying very directly, no, no, no,

1241
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: you didn't misplace them. Those records existed. And I know,

1242
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: and I'm calling this a criminal cover up directly because

1243
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: I handed those records to the federal government. So an

1244
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: extraordinary claim their sager. There was another whistleblower, Sam Salapor,

1245
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: a Boeing quality engineer, who testified to Josh Holly their

1246
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: planes are not safe, and he claims he was threatened

1247
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: and silenced by the company as well as to listen

1248
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: to a little bit of what he had to say.

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01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 8: Are these planes safe right now?

1250
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 13: I would not. You know, it's like an earthquake, you know,

1251
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 13: the big air quokes is coming. But when that hits

1252
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 13: the building that you know you let's say, if you're

1253
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 13: talking of a building have to be prepared to accommodate

1254
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 13: that type of well, let's say, shake up. You know,

1255
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 13: it has to be built properly. Right now, from what

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01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 13: I've seen, the airplanes are not being built perspect and

1257
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 13: per requirement.

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Speaker 8: So your testimony is the seven eighty seventh line and

1259
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 8: the seven Triple seven, the Triple seven line, or you think,

1260
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 8: are not well.

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Speaker 13: They are doing stuff that increases the risk factors. Okay,

1262
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 13: when you increase the risk factors, you know it's not

1263
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 13: just one. You are doing stress concentrations. That those stress

1264
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 13: concentrations like you know, breaking a paper clip. You know

1265
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 13: you do it so or twice, it doesn't break, but

1266
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 13: it breaks at some time as the plane gets older.

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01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 13: You know, all of these things that you know you took.

1268
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Speaker 13: You know, you said it's not a safety issue. It

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Speaker 13: becomes a safety issue.

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Speaker 8: And the company's response to you was to threaten you.

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Speaker 13: Threaten you, sideline you, you know, transfer you.

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Speaker 8: You raise concerns about the seven eighty seven, and so

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Speaker 8: they transferred you, transferred you to the seven Triple seven.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 13: Well, yes, initially they just cut me off of all

1276
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 13: the meetings. They took my name out, and then so

1277
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 13: I was just doing nothing. I wasn't informed of what.

1278
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 13: Then they transferred me, and they do it pretty stealthy.

1279
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 13: Oh we have a job over here, we want to

1280
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 13: go over there, so they move you down there. And

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01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 13: you know, I come from like forty years of engineering background,

1282
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 13: so when I see and I've taken a lot of

1283
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 13: stress class, stress classes, even though I'm not done a

1284
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 13: specialist on that. But when there's a problematic area that

1285
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 13: you see, you can recognize.

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Speaker 1: So another, let's put this last hair sheet up on

1287
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: the screen. He made an additional comment that really jumped out,

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Speaker 1: and man, I'm sure you'll find it noteworthy as well. Sager.

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01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: He said, quote in regards to retaliation, I was sidelined,

1290
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Speaker 1: I was told to shut up. I received physical threats.

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Speaker 1: My boss said I would have killed someone who said

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Speaker 1: what you said. In that meeting. Senator Richard Blumenthal in addition,

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Speaker 1: asked about hey, what about the FAA. What if we

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Speaker 1: hired more inspectors? Would that help? And one of these individuals,

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Speaker 1: who was a former FAA engineer, said yeah, that would help.

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Speaker 1: But the attitude right now at the FAA is that

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Speaker 1: Boeing dictates to the FAA. So I mean, these are

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Speaker 1: deep seated problems here, and the consistent issue that comes

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Speaker 1: up very clearly over and over again is it was

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Speaker 1: about profits over safety. They were willing to cut corners.

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Speaker 1: There are some horrifying examples about employees who were jumping

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Speaker 1: on plane parts to try to bend them so they

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Speaker 1: would fit in. And now you think you're going to

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Speaker 1: be safe on that airplane. That they have completely lost

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Speaker 1: their way, and the FAA has become really captured by

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Speaker 1: this corporation and effectively has outsourced their own regulatory capabilities

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Speaker 1: to the company itself.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He says that Boeing should ground every single seven eighty

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Speaker 2: seven Dreamliner which is in the sky. He says one

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Speaker 2: thousand Boeing planes are currently in a danger of structural

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Speaker 2: failure because of premature fatigue. On the seven eighty seven. Specifically,

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Speaker 2: he says that tiny gaps and plane parts have not

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Speaker 2: yet been properly filled. According to him, they have not

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Speaker 2: been properly addressed ninety eight point seven percent of the time,

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Speaker 2: and that debris is now lodged in eighty percent of

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Speaker 2: these unfilled gaps, which could easily result in a fire.

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Speaker 3: He claims, as you said, that people are.

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Speaker 2: Literally using their feet to jump on top of pieces

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Speaker 2: of the airplane to get them to align, and that

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Speaker 2: none of the stress testing which is happening, which is

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Speaker 2: leaving catastrophic gaps of error. Combine that with the criminal

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Speaker 2: cover up safety documents that the other gentleman said that

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Speaker 2: he's given to the FBI, and it's like, what more evidence.

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Speaker 3: Do we need here?

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Speaker 2: We need a complete national takeover of Boeing until we

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Speaker 2: can figure out what the hell is going on, especially

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Speaker 2: because we are the ones. You know, back to the

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Speaker 2: tax situation, Yes, bowe makes a lot of money in

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Speaker 2: their private business. They also wouldn't survive without the US government.

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Speaker 2: We've built this company out a million times since its inception,

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Speaker 2: and recently in twenty twenty, we fund huge portions of

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Speaker 2: their business through the military industrial complex. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: not just passengers which are unsafe, it's our service members.

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Speaker 2: And then look at the F thirty five program, which

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Speaker 2: was a complete nightmare, not Boeing, but still it's a

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Speaker 2: similar situation. My point is just that commercial aviation, there's

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Speaker 2: one hundred million Americans who step foot on a plane

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Speaker 2: at some point in a year on a yearly basis.

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Speaker 2: That's one third of the entire country, and there's a

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Speaker 2: great shot that you're stepping on a Boeing aircraft. I've

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Speaker 2: been counting recently, seven out of the ten last planes

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Speaker 2: that I've been on, we're Boeing. And it's like in

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Speaker 2: every single one of these. You just look at that

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Speaker 2: and you're like, well, you know, I hope it works out.

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Speaker 2: And yes, commercial aviation is very safe statistically and all

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Speaker 2: of that, but the catastrophic failures which we see today

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Speaker 2: were not ever part of commercial aviation before. And this

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Speaker 2: is all a result of the pursuit of profit, the

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Speaker 2: sacrifice of safety, lack of government regulation, and just a

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Speaker 2: complete criminal cover up. Now at this point, because lives

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Speaker 2: are not just at stake, lives have been lost. Hundreds

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Speaker 2: of people died as a result of Boeing's mistake, not

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Speaker 2: just that long ago, and now this is the second

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Speaker 2: instance in just a matter of five years where people's

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Speaker 2: lives directly put at risk as a result of a failure.

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Speaker 1: At this point, and the number of safety instances that

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Speaker 1: are stacking up at this point, I mean, it has

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Speaker 1: been essential to the commercial airline industry that they have

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Speaker 1: this pristine safety record because guess what, people feel little

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Speaker 1: nervous getting on an airplane and flying so high up

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Speaker 1: there and thinking about what could happen. And the only

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Speaker 1: reason that prospect works is because you can look at

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Speaker 1: it statistically and say, I'm actually more at risk when

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Speaker 1: I get in my car. Well, what if that calculus

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Speaker 1: starts to change, and then you know, to your tax

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Speaker 1: point a modest proposal, how about you send our tax

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Speaker 1: dollars instead of going to bomb babies. How about you

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Speaker 1: send our tax dollars to have a real FAA that

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Speaker 1: has the capability to actually regulate and not just say hey, hey, Boeing,

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Speaker 1: are you doing a good job. Okay, great work, keep

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Speaker 1: it up, because that's what we have right now. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, this is a problem across the board

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Speaker 1: with regulatory agencies. This was a whole sort of like

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Speaker 1: neoliberal ideological project of we're effectively going to gut these agencies.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to have the technical know how to

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Speaker 1: even you know, credibly regulate these complex industries, let alone

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Speaker 1: the manpower or the funding. So this is that's part

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Speaker 1: of why this story is so important. It's important on

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Speaker 1: its own just because of how significant this one company

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Speaker 1: is and how entangled it is with the American taxpayer

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Speaker 1: and all of our lives. But it's also important because

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Speaker 1: it's so symbolic of a deeper rot that really exists

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Speaker 1: in almost every industry that you care to dig into.

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Speaker 1: So extraordinarily significant testimony that we heard yesterday, and of

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Speaker 1: course we can't forget about the prior whistleblower who raised similar,

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Speaker 1: very significant concerns about a lack of attention to detail,

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Speaker 1: about taking parts that had been discarded as these are defective,

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Speaker 1: pulling them out of the heap and putting them into airplanes.

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Speaker 1: And then lo and behold, while he's in the middle

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Speaker 1: of testifying, he is quote unquote found dead, and at

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Speaker 1: least some of his coworkers do not believe that he

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Speaker 1: committed suicide. Still a lot of questions around what the

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Speaker 1: hell happened there. So kudos to these two men who

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Speaker 1: know that their safety is at risk. There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 2: As he said, he literally said to his boss, said

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Speaker 2: that he would have killed somebody who said what he said.

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Speaker 2: So I guess we should just state for the record

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Speaker 2: neither of these men are suicidal.

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Speaker 3: And I hope that they have some records and.

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Speaker 2: All of that ready, and that their families and all

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Speaker 2: of that are prepared for their safety as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, we wanted to track a really important labor story.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we covered extensively the United Auto Worker negotiations

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Speaker 1: with the Big Three, which netted a significant contract improvement

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Speaker 1: for all of the workers there. That seems to have

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Speaker 1: sparked quite a bit of momentum in terms of unionizing

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Speaker 1: more auto workers around the country, including at foreign automakers,

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Speaker 1: and the uaw's new president, Sean Fain, very aggressively going

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Speaker 1: after these new organizing drives. And one of the big

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Speaker 1: places where they are laying their claim is in a

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Volkswagen plan which has previously they've previously attempted to

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Speaker 1: unionize this workforce and it got voted down twice before,

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Speaker 1: but they feel really good about their prospects this time

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Speaker 1: around for a variety of reasons I'll get into. Put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen from Bloomberg headline here how

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Speaker 1: the UAW is winning over new plants starting with Volkswagen.

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Speaker 1: So this factory is actually voting right now on whether

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Speaker 1: to become the only foreign commercial carmaker that is unionized

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Speaker 1: in the United States. Would also be the first plant

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Speaker 1: to join the UAW since that strike last fall that

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Speaker 1: we covered so extensively. One of the members of the

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Speaker 1: organizing committed committee, one of the workers there at the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee factory, says, quote, We're going to be the first

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Speaker 1: domino to fall and encourage these other plans to get

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Speaker 1: out there with us. As I referenced before, there were

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Speaker 1: two prior attempts. Now, the South is notoriously difficult in

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Speaker 1: terms of unionizing. They have right to work laws quote

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Speaker 1: unquote right to work laws and a genuine general anti

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Speaker 1: union climate. There was a lot of sort of political

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Speaker 1: involvement from the governor at the time, effectively threatening these

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Speaker 1: workers that if they do decide to unionize then the

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Speaker 1: plant is going to be shut down. Now that is

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Speaker 1: illegal to do, but there was of course no accountability.

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Speaker 1: So you know, this time around they have gotten a

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Speaker 1: super much authority of workers to sign the card indicating

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Speaker 1: they would like to unionize. So that's significant. They really

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Speaker 1: have made it a very local worker, ground up movement

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Speaker 1: to try to unionize this time. And I think the

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Speaker 1: two other things I would point to here why they

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Speaker 1: feel so good about this is that Number one, you have,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to twenty nineteen under Trump, you have a

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Speaker 1: much more pro union president, much more pro union NLARB.

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Speaker 1: So you've got a friendlier climate in terms of some

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Speaker 1: of the decisions that could come from the NLRB in

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Speaker 1: terms of unionizing. But the big thing is this momentum

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Speaker 1: from UAW. You know, you look at you look at

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Speaker 1: what they were able to achieve, and these workers are saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing literally the same job and I'm not getting

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Speaker 1: nearly what they're getting. So that's an incredibly powerful motivator

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Speaker 1: as well. You've got some Republican politicians in Tennessee and

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Speaker 1: in other states that UAW also has their eyes has

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Speaker 1: their eyeset on trying to trash this and undermine this effort.

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Speaker 1: A Tennessee state senator said, voting against the UAW is

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Speaker 1: protecting Tennessee's values. In Alabama, the UAW is making inroads

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Speaker 1: at a Hyundai plant. The governor there, Kivys, denounced the

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Speaker 1: union as a threat from Detroit, warned that the Alabama

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Speaker 1: model for economic successes under attack, and Sean Faine, the

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Speaker 1: president UAW, replied to that She's damn right, it is.

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Speaker 1: It's under attack because workers are fed up with getting screwed.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, interesting there.

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Speaker 2: It is actually especially because so much of what's going

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Speaker 2: on in the South. One of the things I'm really

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Speaker 2: watching is how politics are changing down in the South

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Speaker 2: and in the sun Belt. We've had a huge population influx.

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Speaker 2: The economies of these states are booming manufacturing, but they're

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Speaker 2: still controlled by older red state ideology, despite the fact

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Speaker 2: that their voters have significantly changed. So, for example, this

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Speaker 2: is happening in the state of Tennessee. Tennessee is not

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Speaker 2: that many people. They have had a huge influx, specifically

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Speaker 2: in the city of Nashville, the rich suburbs of Franklin,

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Speaker 2: and others from California, from all over New York, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: The question now is that, in the combination also with

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Speaker 2: a lot of the economic growth, is are they going

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Speaker 2: to stick to some of this right to work policy

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Speaker 2: and other things that they traditionally have now for right now,

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Speaker 2: it does seem like that is the direction. But with

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Speaker 2: the change in voters, but also what I think is

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Speaker 2: going to be a change in their economy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: no offense, Georgia, you weren't exactly an economic powerhouse, but

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Speaker 2: nowadays like you really are becoming one. Florida, Alabama, Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: there's a ton of manufacturing that is down there from BMW,

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Speaker 2: Toyota and all these other Volkswagen et cetera. And they're

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Speaker 2: going to have to grapple and kind of change with

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Speaker 2: some of the new updates to their population and to

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Speaker 2: their economies as well. So yeah, I think that this

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Speaker 2: is actually a preview of what I expect big big

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Speaker 2: fights in the Sunbelt article.

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Speaker 1: It's a real test case of whether or not you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's very symbolic too, since the vote failed here twice.

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Speaker 1: If they can off, it really does show that it's

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Speaker 1: a new day, that it's a new climate. The other

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Speaker 1: factor I forgot to mention is just unions are way

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Speaker 1: more popular than they used to be. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: sort of a historic high in terms of popularity and receptivity.

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Speaker 1: I saw this quote. I was trying to find it

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Speaker 1: specifically from a worker, but who said, you know, they

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Speaker 1: looked at the UAW contract and they said, I want

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Speaker 1: my life to be more like what they've got. Nothing

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Speaker 1: could be more powerful than seeing that model of success.

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Speaker 1: And that is a one point eighty from what has

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Speaker 1: been happening our entire lives with regard to the labor movement,

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01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: where every contract is concessionary, and they're having to take

1505
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: cuts and cuts and cuts, and so yeah, rationally, if

1506
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: you're a worker, you look at that and you're like, Eh,

1507
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: this is risky, And they're telling me they're going to

1508
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: shut down the plant. And it's not even looking like

1509
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: they're getting that good of a deal over there, So

1510
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: why should I stick my neck out? Now that calculation

1511
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: has really flipped. UAW has their site on, as I said,

1512
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,879
Speaker 1: this Hyundai plant in Alabama. They also are looking at Tesla.

1513
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean, they really want to make a push kind

1514
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: of across the board. And there's no place that's more

1515
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: important or more difficult to organize than these auto plants

1516
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: in the South, which specifically located in these states in

1517
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: part because of their anti union politics. They want to

1518
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: get away with paying their workers less than giving them

1519
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: less benefits, etc.

1520
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 11: More.

1521
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: Perfect Union has been doing a characteristic great job covering

1522
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: this union drive. They spoke to a worker there named

1523
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: Robert about why he thinks this time is going to

1524
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: be different and why some of the intimidation tactics are

1525
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: not going to work this time around. Let's listen at

1526
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: what he had to say.

1527
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 9: The loudest voices of the anti union. They keep trying

1528
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 9: to press this notion that if we unionize Volkswags and

1529
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 9: shuts down, they're going to close their factory. They're not

1530
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 9: going to pull it out just because four thousand employees

1531
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 9: out of six hundred thousand want to be organized, not

1532
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 9: to mention the fact that all of their other factories

1533
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 9: are organized. So the US is a huge market for

1534
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 9: any auto manufacturer. They all want in this place. Really,

1535
01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 9: it boils down to if you have a bad union,

1536
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 9: it's bad leaderships. It has nothing to do with the

1537
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 9: philosophy of unions or what unions can gain as a whole.

1538
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 9: So there's really not really great meat to sink your

1539
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 9: teeth into when it comes to trying to tear the

1540
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 9: idea of a union apart, and so they use the

1541
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 9: the old reliables like it's going to shut your union down.

1542
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: The other thing to note here, Sakar is a Volkswagen

1543
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: because they work with unions in other countries. I'm not

1544
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 1: going to say that they've been like, you know, open

1545
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: arms the union drive. I'm sure the organizers on the

1546
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: ground could point to some nefarious dealings, but they have

1547
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 1: not been as aggressively anti union as some other you know,

1548
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: like Starbucks and other Amazon and other corporate giants that

1549
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: have been the last thing. Put this last element up

1550
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: on the screen referred to the anti union climate and

1551
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: where this goes next. So after this vote, there's an

1552
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: organizing drive happening in that Alabama Hundai plant, and lawmakers

1553
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: are there are really trying to go after any companies

1554
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 1: that would even be like receptive to unions. So they

1555
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: are working on a bill that would bar any sort

1556
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: of state incentives to companies that voluntarily recognize unions. So

1557
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: what this means is, you know, theoretically they used to

1558
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: work more like this. Once you have a majority of

1559
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: workers in the bargaining unit who sign a cards and yeah,

1560
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: I want to unionize, employers can say, okay, great, we

1561
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: voluntarily recognize it. That's it. You have a union and

1562
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 1: not go through the strawa. Okay, now we have to

1563
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: vote blah blah blah, And there's this battle going on

1564
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: at the workplace, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, we got

1565
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: a majority here, they want to be in the union. There,

1566
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: it's a done deal. So companies have that option, and

1567
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 1: Alabama lawmakers are effectively not that a lot of companies

1568
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: avail themselves of that option, but Alabama lawmakers are trying

1569
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: to take that option off the table altogether. And you

1570
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: can imagine saga that at this point, if you do

1571
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: have a victory at Volkswagen after some of the other

1572
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: victors that we've seen, how companies may calculate that it's

1573
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: better for them to build goodwill for their employees if

1574
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: they see the writing on the wall that union is

1575
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: definitely coming in, that the workers are almost definitely going

1576
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: to win, that they can avoid all of that, save

1577
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: the expense and just voluntarily recognize the union. Move from there,

1578
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: Alabama trying to undermine that direction.

1579
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 2: The other thing about unionization is even if it's not successful.

1580
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 2: For example, Costco leadership put out this statement which I

1581
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 2: thought was fantastic, where some Costco shop decided to unionize

1582
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 2: and the executives put out a statement they said, hey,

1583
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 2: you guys voted to unionize. Clearly we're doing something wrong,

1584
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 2: and I want to hear what you guys want, and

1585
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that all my employees in

1586
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 2: this entire country are so well taken care of they

1587
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 2: don't feel like they have to do this now.

1588
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously he's got an incentive to do so, but.

1589
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: The mea act of it was enough for them to

1590
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, I guess.

1591
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 3: We got to pay people more. Yeah, I guess we

1592
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 3: got to pay people a lot more.

1593
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: That's such an important point. It's such an important point

1594
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: because the rise of unionism doesn't just benefit those workers

1595
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: who happen to be in a union, which is still

1596
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: a pitily percentage of the American workforce. We've seen this

1597
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: in the auto industry. Other automakers, including Tesla Jacky, had

1598
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 1: to increase their wages because they could see the writing

1599
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: on the wall Amazon. After the Amazon Labor Union had

1600
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: that historic success on the organizing the Staten Island warehouse,

1601
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 1: they had to lift some of their wages. They felt

1602
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: the pressure that even though it was just this one warehouse,

1603
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: now you've got drives going on across the country. You've

1604
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: got not only ALU, you've got the teamsters look going

1605
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: to organize Amazon as well. And so they're under pressure feeling,

1606
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: all right, we got to do something to try to

1607
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 1: make our employees, employees happier so that they don't choose

1608
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: to unionize, because we still want to have a total

1609
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: top down control of what we've got going on here.

1610
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 1: So it isn't just the wages and benefits of union

1611
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: workers that are at stake here. It really does sort

1612
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: of set the pace for the entire industry, in the

1613
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 1: entire economy.

1614
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.

1615
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: All right, let's turn to our favorite politician, Senator Robert Menenda.

1616
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: You said, scumbag could not be a better word to

1617
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: describe this individual. Okay, you'll recall he's under indictment for

1618
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: a variety of alleged corrupt dealings, including the notorious gold

1619
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: bars that were found in his closet. I mean, we're

1620
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: poor allegedly taking cash and other gifts and favors from

1621
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 1: foreign businessmen and then using that and doing favors for

1622
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: them in return and for their countries in return. Disgusting

1623
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: abuse of power, allegedly. All right, put this up on

1624
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: the screen. So as if that's not bad enough. Now

1625
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 1: we got a little sneak peek and how he's going

1626
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 1: to approach this in court, And according to court documents

1627
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: that his lawyers filed, he is planning to basically throw

1628
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: his wife under the bus and say that she kept

1629
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 1: the truth from him. She was the one getting the

1630
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: money she was hiding what was really going on and

1631
01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: misleading poor innocent Robert Mendez into thinking that the gold

1632
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 1: bars in his closet were there and it was all

1633
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 1: on the up and up. Pretty extraordinary. Can put this

1634
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:11,799
Speaker 1: next piece up on the screen. The reason he's able

1635
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: to do this is because his legal team was able

1636
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: to successfully split his case from his wife's. Apparently she's

1637
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: having some sort of surgery and has some sort of

1638
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: medical issue. I don't really know the details of that.

1639
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: His trial's beginning in May, her trial's beginning in July.

1640
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: So the thought is he can use this defense for himself,

1641
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: throw his wife under the bus, and not really impact

1642
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: the way her case is separately adjudicated since they were

1643
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: successful in splitting these two. But just the idea of

1644
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: you're going to blame your wife and the details of this,

1645
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys recall the way they

1646
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: describe it here. They say they were accused of accepting

1647
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: tens of thousands in cash and gold bars from three

1648
01:24:56,439 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 1: businessmen and what prosecutors described as a wide ranging bribery

1649
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: scheme in exchange. The Center stands acused of trying to

1650
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: help secure overseas business deals, as well as interfere with

1651
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: separate criminal investigations related to two of the businessmen. There

1652
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: was also like a luxury car involved all kinds of

1653
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And if you think this man didn't

1654
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: know exactly what was going on and what he was doing,

1655
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 1: I've got a bridge to side.

1656
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 2: Well we know it because gold and dollars were found

1657
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 2: in items of clothing bearing his name.

1658
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 3: How can you possibly claim that you didn't know that.

1659
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 2: It literally has his name ascribed on the jacket and

1660
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: money that is tucked in the same thing.

1661
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 3: I think my name is actually here on this.

1662
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: Imagine you got gold bars in there.

1663
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 2: My name is right here, Soccer and Jedty. Okay, you

1664
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 2: can read it very clearly, and there were one hundred

1665
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 2: dollars bills in here. But yeah, it was it was

1666
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 2: my wife who put that she not touching your suits?

1667
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:52,560
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? So look, this is totally ridiculous.

1668
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: And as I said to scum behavior, you know, at

1669
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 2: this point, let's say if he isn't true, it's like, dude,

1670
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 2: if you're a real man, you would eat yourself and

1671
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 2: you make sure your poor wife didn't have to go

1672
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 2: to Jim and instead he's so power hungry he's going

1673
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 2: to throw it. By the way, this is a new marriage.

1674
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 2: You know, they were just married in twenty twenty, and

1675
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 2: some of the behavior actually happened before they were even

1676
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 2: officially married, and he was her fiance. So in this

1677
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 2: new marriage, you have so little dedication and love for

1678
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 2: your wife, you're literally going to blame her publicly as

1679
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 2: an official, just so you can try and hang on

1680
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 2: to power. You know, in the United States Senate. You

1681
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 2: you are the absolute scum of the earth. I don't

1682
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 2: think there is like, honestly, this is more shameful and

1683
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 2: worse than the corruption charges. Yeah, to do something like

1684
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 2: this as a man like, it's pathetic and it's disgusting.

1685
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: It is truly shameful. Like, I can think of fewer

1686
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: things that would be less manly in the you know,

1687
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: traditional sense than throwing your loved one, your wife under

1688
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: the bus for your corrupt dealings. Also, by the way,

1689
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: she's not the senator who can you know, get them

1690
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: interfering the criminal investigation and you know, help them with

1691
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 1: their international business deals. She's not the one who can

1692
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: do that. So I'm very curious to see how they

1693
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: attempt to spin this, you know, in terms of his

1694
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 1: political career that is already over. The only thing he's

1695
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,879
Speaker 1: hanging on to is like, you know, whatever the remainder

1696
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: of his term is. They already are, you know, filling

1697
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:23,839
Speaker 1: his seat. They've already had the Democratic primary New Jersey voters.

1698
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: To their credit, he initially was kind of trying to

1699
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: ride this down. And then they started taking polls Democratic

1700
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: primary polls of him versus you know, potential opponents, and

1701
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 1: he was at like eight percent. I mean, just immediately

1702
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 1: people were like, you are disgusting and we do not

1703
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: want you representing us. So the good people of New

1704
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: Jersey not putting up with this corruption saga.

1705
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:45,600
Speaker 3: I certainly hope, so.

1706
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 1: Going against type there in terms of New Jersey politics.

1707
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 3: This is such scum behavior. It's also crazy.

1708
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 2: You know, his kids, His freaking son is a congressman,

1709
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: his daughter is an MSNBC anchor. It's like the nepotism

1710
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 2: that exists in this world is just so ridiculous and

1711
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 2: so and of course neither of them has a freaking

1712
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: comment about their disgusting father's behavior. So he's gonna blame

1713
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 2: his wife, Okay, I mean I hope he just like

1714
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 2: I really am praying that he gets convicted, but I

1715
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 2: still don't yet have faith because the previous case was

1716
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 2: so ironclad and he still somehow got away with it.

1717
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you raised that also, because the Supreme

1718
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: Court has made the bar of what is corruption so

1719
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: high that you almost literally have to be like taking

1720
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 1: the gold bar and saying, I will exchange do these

1721
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: favors for you. So that's how Bob McDonald got out

1722
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: of his right problems. He was convicted in the Supreme courts.

1723
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: I know, we don't think that this is actually a corruption.

1724
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: And there was a similar thing of he also kind

1725
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: of threw his wife under the bus there a little bit.

1726
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: It was sort of like, oh, she wants to live

1727
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,799
Speaker 1: the high life. We couldn't afford it for anyway. Yeah, Anyway,

1728
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has made it very difficult to actually,

1729
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, to secure these convictions behind them guilty. So

1730
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 1: we'll see how the all unfold. But it's not a

1731
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 1: done deal. Maybe his little gambit here is going to

1732
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: work out disgustingly. All right, So we have a little

1733
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: bit of a look at who some of the Trump

1734
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: jurors are, and you know, I, first of all, I

1735
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: want to make sure we're staying on top of these

1736
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:17,440
Speaker 1: cases because I do think that they're very politically significant.

1737
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: Obviously they're important to you know, American people, regardless of

1738
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: how you feel about them. And also because it's just

1739
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 1: wild to imagine trying to be unbiased with regard to

1740
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, like literally anybody, because he has single handedly,

1741
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that he has done

1742
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:40,640
Speaker 1: to this country, which is honestly terrible, he's made politics

1743
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 1: and culture like the same. So one of the things

1744
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: that I immediately noted that I lived in Kentucky at

1745
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:50,719
Speaker 1: the time when he was elected is the like swim

1746
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: team moms and soccer moms that I was around, who

1747
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: used to never want to talk politics, where it was like,

1748
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, if I even brought up I was doing

1749
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,839
Speaker 1: anything in politics, that got kind of like, now, suddenly

1750
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: this was what everybody wanted to talk about, and everybody

1751
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 1: had an opinion about Donald Trump, pro con whatever. So

1752
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to imagine assembling an actually unbiased jury,

1753
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,600
Speaker 1: although I do think people genuinely, you know, having I

1754
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 1: served on a grand jury when I was actually lived

1755
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 1: in New York, it was an interesting experience. And my

1756
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: experience was that the people that were there were genuinely

1757
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: trying to take their civic duty seriously and do the

1758
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: best that they possibly could. So I do want to

1759
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 1: say that, but just take a few offense of how

1760
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,640
Speaker 1: difficult it is to find these individuals. The media interviewed

1761
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: a potential juror who had said I think I could

1762
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: be unbiased. Now she's not on the jury because of

1763
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: a scheduling conflict, but take a listen to how she

1764
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: described her feelings about Donald Trump.

1765
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 14: Can you share your opinion of the former president and

1766
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 14: why you felt that you could be unbiased.

1767
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan.

1768
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 14: I during COVID nineteen, I lived with someone who was,

1769
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 14: you know how depised, and I think his scandling of

1770
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 14: COVID nineteen was.

1771
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 2: Abase.

1772
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 14: I also, I have assostory who has adopted from China,

1773
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 14: and the comments he made about China when he was

1774
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 14: running for president made her very anxious and therefore made

1775
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 14: me angry. There policies he's supported it regarded women and

1776
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 14: reductive health that I do not agree with, and.

1777
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: I think all of that.

1778
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 5: Needs to be addressed.

1779
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 1: So, you know, like she's clear that infinianed people are

1780
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 1: dragging her. I don't know. I mean, listen, you're not

1781
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 1: gonna find she's being honest.

1782
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 2: You're not going to find on a camera she's not

1783
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 2: honest in the bout or wherever in the jury, whatever

1784
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 2: it's got. You've been through this, I haven't been what

1785
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 2: she said she was unbiased, whichever she was asked by

1786
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 2: the court. It's only after she's dismissed that she's like, no,

1787
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 2: I can't stand like twelve different things that he did.

1788
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 1: I mean, but listen, she could make the argument like,

1789
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 1: but that has nothing to do with the specific case, right,

1790
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: because everyone is going to have something he did they like,

1791
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 1: they don't like his personnel whatever, Like every person who

1792
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: is on this jury that's claiming they're holy and completely unbiased. Like,

1793
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: there's no way, there's no way you don't have some

1794
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: prior opinion about him. The best you can do is

1795
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: try to put that aside and just look at the

1796
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 1: specifics of the case. The other thing that was kind

1797
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: of funny that unfolded in the core room is to try,

1798
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, the judge trying to get at like, all right,

1799
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: who is really the most unbiased and what does your

1800
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: social media presence look? Like? They were reading all of

1801
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,640
Speaker 1: these like posts that had been made by some of

1802
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: the perspective jurors about Trump. And here's one snippet of

1803
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 1: an exchange her he can put this up on the screen.

1804
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: So they're asking this perspective juror, you know about his

1805
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: social media, what do you think? What do you do?

1806
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: And they say, well, how about you start? You use

1807
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: any websites or any Facebook. And the prospective juror says, well,

1808
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 1: I'm a repost king.

1809
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 2: I love that.

1810
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 1: So I'll see something that I thought was interesting and

1811
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: I'll repost it. I do the Google thing and YouTube.

1812
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 1: I can control what I watch and I can look

1813
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 1: at the thumbnails and decide if I'm going to watch

1814
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: it or not. And they reply that makes sense, and

1815
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: then continue on. But there was a lot of this

1816
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 1: going on and digging into like the social media habits,

1817
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: the news gathering habits of these individuals. You know, in

1818
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: terms of the right, there's already an effort to kind

1819
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,720
Speaker 1: of like seize on their bios and say, listen, this

1820
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 1: is it can't possibly be an unbiased jury. Although I

1821
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 1: will say on the other side of things, people were

1822
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 1: noting there were two lawyers who have already been picked.

1823
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 1: The jury hasn't been fully filled on I think they

1824
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: have seven jurors, and by the way, they're in court

1825
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 1: today again trying to complete this jury selection process. They

1826
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: picked two lawyers, and there were some analysts who were

1827
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: saying that might actually be a good thing for Trump

1828
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: because they are more skilled, old at like looking at

1829
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: the specifics of the case or considering these potential technicalities.

1830
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's true or not. I'm

1831
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: just telling you what some animals were saying about some

1832
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 1: of these potential jurors. In any case, Jesse Waters was

1833
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: going through the list and not liking what he was

1834
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: finding about these individuals based on the characteristics that were

1835
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 1: described as take a listen as a bit of that.

1836
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 6: A nurse from the Upper East Side with a master's degree.

1837
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 6: She's not married, has no kids, and lives with her

1838
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 6: fiance who works in finance. She gets her news from

1839
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 6: the New York Times, Google and CNN. She said two

1840
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 6: things that really stuck out. One quote, I don't really

1841
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 6: have an opinion of Trump and quote no one is

1842
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:45,679
Speaker 6: above the law. I'm not so sure about Jeron number soo.

1843
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: So currently saying no one is above the laws, disqualifying potentially.

1844
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 3: Those like liberal Shibbalitz, Right.

1845
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 2: So it's like one of those things when it's like

1846
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 2: when you know, when people like chant Israel has a

1847
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 2: result right to defend itself. Yeah, it's not like bad

1848
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 2: per se. But whenever you hear someone say that, you're like,

1849
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 2: I do actually know a lot.

1850
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: It's liberal coded. Yeah, it's liberal coded.

1851
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 2: Like no one is above the law, but it is

1852
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 2: panting that, you know, to the end of it.

1853
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 1: It's also funny that that would be something that becomes

1854
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: liberal coded. Sure, yeah, I mean you're supposed to be

1855
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 1: the law and order people over there.

1856
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 2: I see you both ways. As I was showing you.

1857
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 2: As I was showing you, one of the jurors actually

1858
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 2: just dropped out because she said she was like, you

1859
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 2: know what, screw this. Publicly available details of her BIO

1860
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 2: had apparently informed family and friends that she was on

1861
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 2: the jury.

1862
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 3: She said, I don't want to deal it.

1863
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 1: I actually wonder, I wonder if it was this person.

1864
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very po you got you know, one

1865
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 1: and seven chants and it's a woman that dropped out,

1866
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: so it's actually even you know, more likely, so it

1867
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 1: is possible. And I was thinking about that. I mean,

1868
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 1: if you are on this jury. You were signing up

1869
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: to be a public figure, to be smeared, be attacked.

1870
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 1: It's I don't I feel for them. It's not a job, no, no, no,

1871
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: that you should sign up for. Were lightly We do

1872
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:02,879
Speaker 1: have some of those.

1873
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 3: Details, Ystal. It just came out.

1874
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,679
Speaker 2: It was the oncology nurse that was it. Wow, Wow,

1875
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 2: it just got the news. Wow.

1876
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 1: Okay, well, no one's above the law. I guess that's

1877
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: what I did her. And so last we've got this

1878
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 1: tear sheet of who the first seven jurors now six

1879
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: were four male, three females, now two females. Some of

1880
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 1: the details here that I found interesting, just to give

1881
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 1: you a sense of who these people are, because I

1882
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 1: do think it's kind of kind of interesting. You've got

1883
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 1: German number one as a middle aged salesman from Ireland.

1884
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 1: He's going to be the cases foreman lives in West Harlem,

1885
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 1: said he normally gets his news from listen to this list,

1886
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: New York Times, Daily Mail, Fox News and I'm assem BC.

1887
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:46,839
Speaker 2: Wow.

1888
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 1: That's a rare one. That's yeah, that's a rare one,

1889
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:52,719
Speaker 1: he says. In a spare time, he enjoys doing anything

1890
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 1: out Doorsy once worked as a waiter but has worked

1891
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: in sales for the last three decades. When asked if

1892
01:36:57,320 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 1: he was aware of Trump's other criminal cases, he responded,

1893
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 1: I've heard of some of them, and if you go

1894
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: down the list, you got to mix bag in terms

1895
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 1: of the like news sources, and most of them are

1896
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 1: sort of claiming like and I don't really follow the

1897
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: news that closely, so I mean express embarrassment that they

1898
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 1: don't know more of the details of the case, which

1899
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: I find believable. People are busy living their lives. You

1900
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 1: can certainly find some jurors who are just not following

1901
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 1: things closely. That's probably your best bet in terms of

1902
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,480
Speaker 1: finding and actually, like quote unquote unbiastcury.

1903
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 2: If I'm Trump, you know who I want. I want

1904
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 2: people who don't read the news. I want people who

1905
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 2: are actually the least informed because they will not have

1906
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 2: preconceived opinions. I want people who watch TV, go to

1907
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 2: the game, care about sports, living their lives, and I

1908
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 2: want them to be able to come in with a

1909
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,679
Speaker 2: relatively open side, so you could say, yeah, I think

1910
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,759
Speaker 2: something about Trump, you know, based on whatever.

1911
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 3: Like you know, I vote every once in a while.

1912
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 3: My uncle votes, he tells me. That's what I want.

1913
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:53,839
Speaker 2: People who are hardcore ideological and almost like too.

1914
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,520
Speaker 3: Informed to a certain extent in a certain.

1915
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:58,799
Speaker 2: Way, like you're going to have very very well founded

1916
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 2: opinions about this, which are you're not going to be

1917
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 2: able to be unbiased whenever you come to the jury box.

1918
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 2: So if I was Trump, I actually think things are

1919
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 2: going in a direction which may be better for him.

1920
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 2: That's really his only prayer.

1921
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 14: Any of this.

1922
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: Let me give you a little bit about juror number four,

1923
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 1: because I thought this one was interesting. He said he

1924
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: finds the form of president to be quote fascinating and mysterious. True,

1925
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: he walks into a room, he sets people off one

1926
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: way or another. The juror said, I find that really interesting. Really,

1927
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Speaker 1: this one guy can do all of this. Wow, that's

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Speaker 1: what I think. So originally from Puerto Rico, has lived

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Speaker 1: in the Lower East Side for the last four years.

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Speaker 1: Self employed IT consultant, has attended one year of college,

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Speaker 1: been married for a long Time's two grandkids. He says,

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Speaker 1: I have no spare time when answering the question questionnaire,

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Speaker 1: my hobby is my family. So previously served on a

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Speaker 1: jury trial, but it was a long time ago. Normally

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Speaker 1: gets his news from Daily News, New York Times and Google.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them saying they get their news from Google.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean.

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Speaker 2: I think they mean Google News. That's my like, that's

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Speaker 2: got to be it, right, Like a Google news reader

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Speaker 2: or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I like, automatically serve you. It's like that Apple News.

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Speaker 2: I've deleted that a long time ago. I don't use

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Speaker 2: any of that, but I think.

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Speaker 1: They serve me or insulting sometimes.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know. It's like pop culture crap or whatever.

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Speaker 2: So in my experience, the way that a lot of

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Speaker 2: normal people engage with the news is exactly like you said,

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Speaker 2: Apple News, news reader, something like that.

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Speaker 3: iPads are usually involved.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand, true, I will never understand the iPad thing.

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Speaker 2: But they love to read news on their iPad, specifically

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Speaker 2: in the Apple News app. So I guess they're being

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Speaker 2: well and form very true.

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Speaker 1: But you know, and sometimes my mom will get one

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Speaker 1: of those Apple News alerts and she'll bring up something

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Speaker 1: to me that I had missed. So now that she's retired,

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Speaker 1: he's been helping me with my that's good. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: good luck and godspeed to these jurors. Is I don't

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Speaker 1: don't envy them this task and every word that they utter,

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Speaker 1: everything they've done in their life is about to be

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Speaker 1: scrutinized and used against.

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Speaker 2: I would absolutely not do it, but anyway, all right,

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Speaker 2: We will see you guys later. Thank you guys so

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Speaker 2: much for watching. We had a guest but unfortunately didn't

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Speaker 2: work out. We are working on rescheduling them. Really appreciate

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Speaker 2: everybody who watched the show today, who supports us. Who

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Speaker 2: watch check out the debate. We'll post it later to

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Speaker 2: maybe tomorrow or something like that on our podcast feed,

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Speaker 2: and if you can help us out breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you later.