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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. Day number fifteen of Cowboys Camp two

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Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, and we've got some morning football behind us,

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Speaker 1: as the Cowboys will practice this morning final practice before

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Speaker 1: the preseason opener on Thursday night in Santa Clara against

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers. Wednesday will be a

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Speaker 1: travel day, and so this is our last chance to

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Speaker 1: talk to you from Oxnar before that game. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna treat the next hour not only as a training

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Speaker 1: camp show, but as a preview of what you can

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Speaker 1: expect to see on a Thursday night. Hello, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: how are you are? I'm good and Brian brought us.

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Speaker 1: I saw you brighton early this morning, although a little

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Speaker 1: later than normal. Yeah, I tell it's the fifteenth day

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Speaker 1: of camp because we're getting into the exercise room a

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Speaker 1: little bit later. Yeah. I struggled to get to the

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Speaker 1: exercise room, but I'm glad I made it there. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad I made it. I had to talk myself into it,

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Speaker 1: but I did. I was able to get help. I

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Speaker 1: felt the same way. I need it. I need a

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Speaker 1: day off and Mickey, how is your bike ride? That

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Speaker 1: makes three of us? Because I had some work to

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Speaker 1: do and I tried talking my way out of the

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Speaker 1: workout room and I said, you know, it's the last day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I did. And I came out here and the

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Speaker 1: sun was coming up through the trees, and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to scream, good morning training camp. Well you tweeted, didn't you? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I did you twee tweeted a little sunrise over training

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Speaker 1: Morgus this morning out here with the filtering through the trees,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, and when we know what this

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Speaker 1: guy is and will we get that music to start

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Speaker 1: the show? Now it sounds like something really important getting

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Speaker 1: ready to happen. That's because something really important is all right,

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Speaker 1: little pregame show here, Yeah, it's you like to call

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Speaker 1: it the earliest pregame show possible. And we're we're we're

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours in advance here, right, and I know

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Speaker 1: we get a lot of listeners over the next forty

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Speaker 1: eight hours because people, yeah, yeah, it's the preseason, but

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Speaker 1: it's our first chance to see this team playing against

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Speaker 1: somebody the first of four this preseason. You want to

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Speaker 1: see the young guys out there because you're not going

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Speaker 1: to see well, there's not old guys on this team anymore, right, Actually,

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Speaker 1: you know that you're not going to see that much.

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Speaker 1: Last night, Brad was getting his chart ready for the

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Speaker 1: broadcast and he called this chart, yes, exactly as wordy,

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Speaker 1: and he called up the one from last year to

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Speaker 1: kind of fill in the blanks, and he started going

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Speaker 1: over the guys that were on the team last year,

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Speaker 1: like either first or second team. Right, there's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of change on this roster, a lot of turnover,

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Speaker 1: and even with starters, if you if you look at

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Speaker 1: it and not just you know, we talk about no

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Speaker 1: dez uh, no Witten. Well, there's no Nolan Carrol, there's

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Speaker 1: Nick Hayden was the starting it was a starting defensive

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Speaker 1: tech year ago or not pot Pie, I'm sorry, year

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Speaker 1: two years back, the same type player, but again it

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Speaker 1: was it was Hey, Kyle Wilber, Yes, Ryan Switzer, guys

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Speaker 1: And then then there's like the era shift right with

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Speaker 1: then it's it's not just the typical thirty percent of

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Speaker 1: your roster turns over, it's probably more like forty percent.

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Speaker 1: And then you've got young guys now that have to

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Speaker 1: shift I think I've seen since I've been around, which

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Speaker 1: I think makes these preseason games more intriguing than they

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Speaker 1: have been in the past. What do you think, Brian, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just you know, had that. We had a question

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Speaker 1: What are you watching that? And I don't know about

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Speaker 1: you guys when but you know, when I was broadcast,

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Speaker 1: he looks good in practice, but he doesn't play. So

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Speaker 1: there's so many things. These wide receivers. We've seen Lance

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Speaker 1: That's step four. Team. That's where this thing is. You

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Speaker 1: just can't focus on one position or one player. You

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Speaker 1: look at the backups right now on offense. Second team,

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Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, it's amazing how this team has changed out.

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Speaker 1: But you know what hasn't changed the expectations. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: typically well typically teams turn over about a third of

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Speaker 1: But like the thing that keeps jumping out to me

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Speaker 1: that's being emphasized enough in this camp. Now, he hadn't

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Speaker 1: So that's that's where you know, people say, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Alfred Morris got five yards to carry. But he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: national narrative that that that teams are going to try

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Speaker 1: They don't feel like that Dak Prescott can beat them

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Speaker 1: doing it that way. So why didn't they do that

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Speaker 1: saying that. I'm just saying, No, what the narrative is.

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Speaker 1: the receivers and tight ends need to get on the

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Speaker 1: Of course you'll hear more of it during the game

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Speaker 1: on Thursday night, and Babe and Marcus Spears will be

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Speaker 1: Brad on the radio call. But he is supportive of

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Speaker 1: You're the leadoff hitter. Thank you, guys. Hey, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: to Talking Cowboys. Talking Cowboys continues on a Tuesday morning

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Speaker 1: here in Oxnard, California, two days before the preseason opener

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Speaker 1: at San Francisco on a Thursday night, nine o'clock kickoff

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Speaker 1: Central time, seven o'clock out here on the West Coast,

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Speaker 1: and the Cowboys will then be back here to Oxnard

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Speaker 1: with a day off on Friday, and back on the

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Speaker 1: practice field on the weekend on Saturday and Sunday, and

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Speaker 1: if you're in the southern California area, make sure you

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Speaker 1: make it out here. It's a free admission, of course,

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Speaker 1: and there's lots to do for the entire family out here.

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Speaker 1: And then basically moving into the last week of camp

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Speaker 1: right after the San Francisco game home opener in the

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Speaker 1: preseason will be a week from Saturday against the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Like that Mike call there, I do. I like people

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Speaker 1: that have spirited. You know, it was back and forth

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Speaker 1: that he has his thoughts. I have my thoughts. So again,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make this football team better if I can.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit there and let you know.

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Speaker 1: And I understand you have to think about playing within

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Speaker 1: the salary cap, but there's ways that you can work

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Speaker 1: around things. You know, we don't have a state income

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Speaker 1: tax in Texas. You know he's from Texas. There's things

478
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Speaker 1: that are very inviting to him to be a part.

479
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: I don't think he has to be the highest paid

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Speaker 1: safety in the league. I think he's playing for the

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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. He wants to be the highest paid, especially

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Speaker 1: with what they're doing to their team right there. But

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm to the point of, you know what, I'm

484
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Speaker 1: trying to make my team better. If again I've said

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Speaker 1: this before, if I'm Jason Garrett and I know my situation,

486
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Speaker 1: I want as many players on that field that I

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Speaker 1: know can help me to win football games to kind

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Speaker 1: of maintain what I'm trying to do. And strangely, I

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Speaker 1: don't think if they did acquire Earl Thomas that it

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Speaker 1: it stops the progress of Xavier Wood. I think it

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Speaker 1: helps the young guys. Myself, you got to learn how

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Speaker 1: to be and not only was, but the corners, the

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Speaker 1: young corners and everything. Because Earl Thomas is that type

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Speaker 1: of player. We see Chris ra Shard out here working

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Speaker 1: every day. I promise you you will see the same

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Speaker 1: traits in Earl Thomas on this football field what you

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Speaker 1: see with Chris ra Shard. Okay, so that's not the issue. Intensity,

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Speaker 1: that's not the issue. It adds it right. The issue

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Speaker 1: is not worrying about him wanting to play. It's worrying

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Speaker 1: about how much is going to cost you to trade

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Speaker 1: for him and how much it'll cost you to pay them.

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Speaker 1: That's the issue right now, and they can't get over

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Speaker 1: the first one because they still want a second and

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are hanging tight on a third. Now the fact,

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Speaker 1: can you get a third and give them a fifth

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Speaker 1: or something like that for him Willy, but they don't

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Speaker 1: want or trade him right now. Yeah, when John Snyder

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Speaker 1: wants to trade, you have to be ready to make

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Speaker 1: that call. The fact that they were went on the

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Speaker 1: clock at fifty in the second round and if Connor

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Speaker 1: Williams is not there that they make that trade. I

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Speaker 1: think that tells you that cowboys are willing to deal.

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Speaker 1: In theory, they're willing to deal right there, So you

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Speaker 1: know it's it's gonna be again. The evaluation of your

515
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Speaker 1: team will earl Thomas. What kind of fit will he be?

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Speaker 1: And can he help you with the money you're gonna

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Speaker 1: pay him and what he can do down the line,

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Speaker 1: And he'd have to help you. He will help you, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean with the money you have to pay him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to be the highest paid safety.

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Speaker 1: Then why does he say it? Because he does, he

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Speaker 1: would wants to do it in Seattle. He doesn't want

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Speaker 1: he I think if he gets in the right situation,

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Speaker 1: if he gets in the situation where it's advantageous to him.

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Speaker 1: I think that he will willing to move on from Seattle.

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Speaker 1: He will do what you have to do to make

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Speaker 1: this work. Well, the other part of that is, and

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Speaker 1: he's from South Texas. But if he wants to live

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Speaker 1: in Texas the rest of his life, which he obviously

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Speaker 1: does playing for the Cowboys, that a Seattle that was

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Speaker 1: pretty sick playing playing for the Cowboys. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: got to look at the big picture as he gets

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Speaker 1: later in his career too, and the benefits of playing

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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys in his home state. I've run into

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Speaker 1: a couple of people now that have left California when

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Speaker 1: they've retired and moved to Texas, and I'm going, aren't

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Speaker 1: you doing that backwards? And they're going, no, because fourteen

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Speaker 1: percent of my money's state tax in California when I'm retired.

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Speaker 1: There you go. But that's sure, it doesn't help the

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Speaker 1: Rangers get pictures. Well, put a roof on that bad boy,

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Speaker 1: and they are. And so we'll see. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: pitch when it's one hundred and eighty seven nine two

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Speaker 1: join us here on talking Cowboys, Let's talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about what we saw on the practice field, not

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Speaker 1: only yes day, by the last few days in camp.

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Speaker 1: And how about this Anthony Brown number thirty. Anthony Brown

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Speaker 1: continues to make plays, which he's done in training camp

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Speaker 1: ever since his first day in training camp when he

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Speaker 1: intercepted Tony Romo, his rookie Year's Rob's guy is my guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was my man of the match yesterday, cumulative man

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Speaker 1: of the match. That's a pick in two straight days

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Speaker 1: that he had multiple pick yesterday. And when you factor

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Speaker 1: in all the different drills carried over, I saw the

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Speaker 1: one I wrote about one where he sat down and

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Speaker 1: made the play. Yeah. Christo Shard was raving about him

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Speaker 1: after practice that he's got a great attitude. He's doing

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Speaker 1: everything they're asking him to do. And it was good

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Speaker 1: to see Cheeto back in teamwork yes yesterday. But we

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Speaker 1: saw him Brown a little bit working on the outside,

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Speaker 1: uh in the in the blue white and did a

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Speaker 1: nice job out there as well. So the more you

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Speaker 1: can do, um. But I think ultimately he's battling Jordan

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Speaker 1: Lewis for that slop position. Do you think he's I

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Speaker 1: think he could play either side he could. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's battling for the slat position. I'm you know. Rashard

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Speaker 1: talked about it yesterday. He said, that's why we have

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Speaker 1: a grease board. It's easy to erase. We put the

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Speaker 1: names up on the board and they're etched in sand.

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Speaker 1: I love that quote from him. Yeah, it was good.

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Speaker 1: But then again that being said, I think Byron Jones

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Speaker 1: and cheet O, you are starting outside corners right well,

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Speaker 1: to start to start start, start week one. That's probably

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Speaker 1: what I just don't see Brown, you know, Brown at

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Speaker 1: the OTAs in the mini camp. They threw him out there.

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Speaker 1: We were all really, well, I'm shouldn't I shouldn't speak

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Speaker 1: for you guys. I was surprised that Lewis was on

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Speaker 1: the second team playing outside and then also in the slot. So,

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Speaker 1: but Anthony Brown is having the type of camp where

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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to give up his spot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I you know, they took him out of the starting

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Speaker 1: lineup last year at the you know, and he started

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Speaker 1: playing better. Actually at the end of the year, we've

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Speaker 1: seen him get to far more balls than he has before,

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Speaker 1: you know, the interceptions, the stuff like that. The positioning

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Speaker 1: has been real good. So yeah. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna roll over and say, Okay, Jordan Lewis, just go

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Speaker 1: ahead and take my slot job here. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: very competitive, and I think he's done that. You know,

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Speaker 1: this was surprising. I jumped on with Hanging with the

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Speaker 1: Boys yesterday and they had Cavon Frazier on and Shannon asked, Cavon,

592
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Speaker 1: we were trying to do real quick questions at the end,

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Speaker 1: give me the three fastest guys on the team, Tavon, Austin,

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Speaker 1: Katie Cannon, Anthony Brown. Yeah. And it was like Anthony

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Speaker 1: Brown he goes, oh yeah. And I remember last year

596
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Speaker 1: when somebody brought it up to him at his locker

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Speaker 1: and somebody was talking about speed and he kind of said,

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Speaker 1: you know, don't don't forget me, and they said something

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Speaker 1: and he said, just let him run me. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think Bill's gonna taze of four to seven coming out

601
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Speaker 1: of Purdue. He's looking for it. Yeah. Yeah. His time

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Speaker 1: speed at of Purdue was incredible. Speed's great instincts and

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Speaker 1: speed football speed, yeah, and pads and all that. He's

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that I could say they tried

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Speaker 1: to get him on that. The interception he made. They

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Speaker 1: tried to get him on an out route. He was

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Speaker 1: did a great job as staying with Mike Gallop and

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Speaker 1: playing underneath and then when the ball he was in position.

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Speaker 1: When he saw the ball, he just put his hands up.

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Speaker 1: So give him some credit for he had a really

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Speaker 1: speaking of six round picks that have done well, he

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Speaker 1: had a great rookie season, wound up starting nine games.

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Speaker 1: His problem last year was he got early when he

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Speaker 1: got bench. Yeah, he was among the most penalized players

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I think he had nine or two.

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Speaker 1: Confidence was bad and it dropped. Yeah, yeah, but three three, three,

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Speaker 1: I think I think he probably some four two. I

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Speaker 1: think when I think when people made the trip to

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Speaker 1: West Lafayette, Indiana, they got him in the four twos

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Speaker 1: high four twos. Yeah, because the engineers there. Here's the

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Speaker 1: other fields. Yeah. The other thing about he had nineteen

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Speaker 1: bench reps too. Yeah for a cornerback, sure, nineteen bench rep. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's taken on. There's been a couple of times for

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Speaker 1: Zach Martin has come rolling around there like a big

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Speaker 1: truck and he's like, and I give him credit. You know,

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Speaker 1: one time there was this decision, well that you well no,

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Speaker 1: I know, and he's not. He's not. But you know

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Speaker 1: what he could have done out here, And this is

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Speaker 1: just being a good teammate. You know. You see these

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Speaker 1: guys when it's a defensive they will go low, they

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Speaker 1: will try and take a blocker out low. Seeing Zack

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Speaker 1: Martin run around the corner, he just said, okay, I

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Speaker 1: know I'm gonna take my butt whipping here. He didn't

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Speaker 1: go low on on Zach. He stayed up, tried to

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Speaker 1: fight him a little bit and then got washed. But

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Speaker 1: you know that's a good teammate that won't try and

637
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Speaker 1: cut another teammate in open field out keep are all

638
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Speaker 1: pro guarding, yeah, just yeah, yeah yeah, but as well

639
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Speaker 1: as he jumps, he'd just leaped right over him. All right.

640
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Speaker 1: How about Jordan Lewis. What George Lewis run at the

641
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Speaker 1: Combine tourna Remember what Jordan Lewis Anthony Brown was a

642
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Speaker 1: four three three? Jordan Lewis was a four or five four? Yeah, yeah,

643
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: I knew it wasn't. The time speed at Michigan was

644
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: better than four four seven is what I've got listed here.

645
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, that's fast enough. Yeah, sure it's fast enough,

646
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: but go look up Everson Walls speed. I don't think

647
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: I have that. He can't go back that far. Yeah,

648
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: and coming before they nothing against you, but you outplayed

649
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: your speed. But the Cowboys have been looking for that

650
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: cornerback who can intercept passes like Everson Walls. Good. You know,

651
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: no question? All right, Nebbie and Silver Spring Maryland. You're

652
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Speaker 1: next up here on talking Cowboys. Hello, Nebbie, Hi, guys,

653
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: uh uh uh, I am going to be keeping a

654
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: close eye on Xavier Woods and laid In vander ash

655
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Speaker 1: when when we play in San Francisco on Thursday night.

656
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Speaker 1: And I was wondering, who, uh who are you all

657
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Speaker 1: going to be keeping a clock close eye on when

658
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Speaker 1: we play in San Francisco on Thursday night. I take care,

659
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: thanks for being patient with me, and have a great week.

660
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Speaker 1: All right, Thank god, I'm right there with you. Ye.

661
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: So that's your guys, two of them, Okay, okay, okay, Yeah,

662
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, number sixty four, Antoine Woods. I'll look up

663
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: his official height, but he's six to one. I don't

664
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: know he's your he's your PEPSI machine with arms, yeah,

665
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: machine with arms. Interviewing him yesterday? You looking down at him,

666
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Speaker 1: Bill Oh, he's not very tall down but he's stout.

667
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: He is stout. Yeah, I'm I'm interested. I say, doing

668
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: the game, you kind of get you have to focus

669
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Speaker 1: try on the whole field, and at the end of

670
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: the day, I'm like, Okay, what just happened. But you know,

671
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: I think Nebbie's right with that. We've we've touched on.

672
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna interested to see I think Rico gathers his

673
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: practice pretty well and I'm interested to see if he

674
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: can kind of take some of those things. We've seen

675
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: him play pretty well in some preseason games. I'm interested

676
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: to see him Dalton Schultz as well, that Tiding group

677
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: as a whole. I'm also interested in both Scarborough, you know,

678
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: the running back I want to you're gonna see him.

679
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: This is where this is where I'm with Scarborough, Jackson

680
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: Williams and then Shun. If you had to tell me

681
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: who I think would have the most yards rushing out

682
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: of that group, say come this preseason game, I think

683
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: I would pick Trey Williams. That's what I've said all along,

684
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: and then he got cut thirst and then game backs. Yeah,

685
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: but the I mean, if they're running the football, lay

686
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: you know you know, I'm hopeful that Scarborough will get

687
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: that opportunity to show what he can do. But I

688
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: have this weird feeling that when we the man of

689
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: the matches, we like to say it running back might

690
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: be Trey Williams, you know, with with with his explosiveness,

691
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: the quickness he has and when he'll play too. Yeah. Yeah,

692
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: so now, uh And they told him when they cut him,

693
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: don't go far like we would like to resign, you like,

694
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: stay outside the fence. It was, it was it was

695
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: out of need that they did it. And then everybody's

696
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: question was, well, why didn't you just cut the offensive lineman?

697
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: You cut? Well, the offense lineman quit quit. Yeah, unexpectedly yeah, okay.

698
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: And so then and was like, oh, okay, well we'll

699
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: bring them back now. Bryce Johnson. Yeah, he decided that

700
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: he wanted to get into his I think engineering or

701
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: some sort of technology. You know, I can see that

702
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: with with guys who know they're not going to make

703
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: the team. You know, it's a grind, it is. It's

704
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: tough out here. You get two weeks and yeah, but

705
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I think to go through what

706
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: some of these guys do that are like seventy five

707
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: and down on the roster to convince yourself that you

708
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: got a chance. I mean that that's tough, but you

709
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: gotta do it. Otherwise you can't go out here no practice.

710
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: You have to do it. But you're also if you're

711
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: a young guy, you're also thinking about if I can't

712
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: make this team, Yeah, can I make somebody else's team?

713
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: Or can I a get sixty six hundred bucks being

714
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: a practice squad player a week? But that that's something

715
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: you also think about. Okay, if I see what's happening here,

716
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: can I play well enough to where they'll keep me around? That?

717
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: That also is a very vision was coming from Saint

718
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: Cloud State. Sure, Yeah, the odds were long, Yeah, they

719
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: were long, Nebbi. He mentioned vander Esh. There's not a

720
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: ton of buzz around of this first round pick, I

721
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: don't think compared to some in the past. But I

722
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: want to see him out there, and he's looked good,

723
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: especially these last couple of days. Brian, you always talk

724
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: about it. He can run, he can come and run,

725
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: but he also can he take on guys, and he's

726
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: been in position showing instinct, has been in position to

727
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: make some plays. He snuffed out a shovel pass to

728
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: Rod Smith yesterday. It was really impressive. They made him

729
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: run yesterday at three straight times. I thought, I said,

730
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: there's no way they're gonna make him do it the

731
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: fourth time. And they finally put March one of those reps. Well,

732
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: Garrett pass, wasn't he ran on his own. That's when

733
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: Garrett goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, because like quickly they

734
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Speaker 1: shuffled Ola Wally into the into the lineup, and then

735
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: and here's poor vandersh is like, wait a minute, imnna

736
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: have to cover a fresh guy. And he lined up

737
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: and Garrett's like whoa, whoa, And next you know, Daks

738
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: snap half in the ball, you know, trying to get

739
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, and they didn't stop it fast enough. It

740
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: was like a wheel route where he had to run

741
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: the yards down field. Boy, he was. Yeah, but that's

742
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: what you hope for him. The athletic ability. We've talked

743
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: about that a bunch. It's gonna be about the instincts.

744
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: I thought the last two days. Filling holes. Yeah, that's

745
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: what I seem. Yeah. When Rob said and he did

746
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: it in the in the blue white, all right, so

747
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: what did we? All? Right? Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry, no,

748
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: And I was just saying, I think he's starting. It

749
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: seems like he's getting more comfortable and he's starting to

750
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: see things quicker than maybe he had because the physical

751
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: instincts are there now it's a matter of just kind

752
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: of seeing things. And yeah, he'll be an interesting one

753
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: to watch. And we're not seeing guys finish plays and

754
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: actually wrap up and tackle, right, he can do that too,

755
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: and he'll be in those positions. He did that on

756
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: the goal line when when they got to tackle on

757
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: the goal line, he was a guy that was, like

758
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: you said, filling you know, the the you know, slide

759
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: down the line, fell, scrape boom, hit the hole and

760
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: then be a part of the time. And that's when

761
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: on on Woods caught Marinelli's eye, was the goal line stuff,

762
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: because when I talked to him afterwards, he goes, he

763
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: was spectacular doing what they asked him to do. And

764
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you know, he hadn't moved on to

765
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: the first team yet, but it was first team goal line,

766
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: like you get your big body guys, the you know,

767
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: dump trucks in there that can't be moved and and he,

768
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Speaker 1: you know, and and then he as he told me, Unfortunately,

769
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770
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Speaker 1: look real good on tape. Nat and joyed it. And

771
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: by the way, Woods Antoine Woods, so probably was recruited

772
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: by and I know he was coached by ed Orgeron

773
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: at USC and Orgeron is a Brionelli guy, and so absolutely, yeah,

774
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: so you're very familiar with so there looking for some

775
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: of the same traits. By the way, I got a position,

776
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: I got a quick Coach O story. I was out

777
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: This is about five years ago at Arlington Martin High

778
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: School in the springtime. They had some stud defensive end

779
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: out there, and so we went out and did a

780
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: story on him, and Coach O was there. Well, that

781
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: stud defensive end turned out to be Miles Garrett. And

782
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: you talk about I mean a as a senior in

783
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: high school before his senior year, he looked he already

784
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: looked like Miles Garrett, right, is that legal? But ed

785
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: Or Dron's there and he had this little video camera,

786
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: pocket sized video camera, and Miles was in the weight

787
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: room there, and so he's doing what lifting weights And

788
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: it was a great example of college recruiting and and

789
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: and Coacho is one of the best in the business

790
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,040
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791
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: flips out his little camera out of his pocket and

792
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: he gets right in Miles Garrett's face as he's lifted

793
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: right here, just just to record a little bit of something,

794
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: just so that he could show the guys back at us.

795
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Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about right here, right, So anyway,

796
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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers, and as far as television coverage

845
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: is concerned, the game starts at nine countdown to kickoff

846
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: at eight and the first installment of the Deep Blue

847
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: series for this preseason. This is all Central time, seven

848
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: o'clock Central time, and Rob, you know a little bit

849
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: about what's coming up on. Yes, Keke Garrison, I have

850
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: been working on this bad boy for eight months or so.

851
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: It's called Parcel's Final Ride, and it did documents Bill's

852
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: arrival in two thousand and three and the culture change

853
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: and the things he did to shake things up around here. Uh,

854
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: mostly in that oh three season, but then beyond, you know,

855
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: the foundation that he's set here for a team that to

856
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: to at least contend and have a chance at getting

857
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: back to Super Bowl. So uh, really, you know, thanks

858
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: thanks to him for allowing us to fly out to Florida,

859
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: and it would tell us a little bit about that.

860
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: That was. It was awesome. It was he was dressed

861
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: out for uh a golf golfing outing clearly when we

862
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: met up with him out in Jupiter, Florida and his house. No,

863
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: we met him at a at a hotel, at a resort.

864
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 1: And uh he raises horses now for a living, and

865
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: which shocking, right, knowing the way he liked to talk

866
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: about the ponies back then. Just you know, he's enjoying retirement,

867
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: plays a stock market, hangs out and uh and still

868
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: keeps It's what's interesting to me is he still keeps

869
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: in touch with former players, former coaches, and you talk

870
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: to him into a man. Everybody loves the guy now.

871
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: When he was here, I don't know if that was

872
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: always the same thing because of the way he pushed guys.

873
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: But we've got some cool stories and uh and we're

874
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: looking forward to showing that. It's going to be tomorrow

875
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: three pm Central and connected TV mobile apps Dallas Cowboys

876
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: dot Com, Facebook Live, and Twitter. Check it out. Can't

877
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: you just say something. I know Mickey covered the team then,

878
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: but you know, I know he lived it. I lived it,

879
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: and I'm being part of the personnel department at that

880
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: time with him coming in, we'd had three terrible seasons.

881
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: We didn't do a very good job of getting talent

882
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: on this team. The talent that we did have. It

883
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: took a Hall of Fame coach to bring it all

884
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: together at least to give us a chance. So I

885
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: just want to say this to Rob and the kent

886
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: you know it is it is true to the word

887
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: of how things were at the time. The stories, the interviews,

888
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: the question, all this stuff was just put together so well.

889
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: And I you know, I as a guy that lived it.

890
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: I highly recommend you watch it because it will give

891
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: you complete insight to what was going on with Bill

892
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: Parcels while he was here with the Dallas Cowboys. You've

893
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: spent eight months on this project. Yeah, well, who else

894
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: have you did you talk to as part of it?

895
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: We spent a few well, we talked to Brian, we

896
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: talked to Mickey, we talked to We went to the Combine,

897
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: interviewed Sean Payton, Mike Zimmer who assistants on that staff,

898
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: Chris Mortensen. Chris Mortenson who broke the story of the

899
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: secret meeting in New Jersey on the tarmac between Jerry

900
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: and Bill Um, Jason Witt and Tony Romo makes a

901
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: cameo in there. We've we've got some interviews Darren Woodson.

902
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson, Yeah, thanks to everybody who who contributed this

903
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: really a lot of the Beat writers who covered it

904
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: around here at the time too. It's really well, it's

905
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: it's excellent. It's an excellent piece of of of history

906
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: of being brought back again. We were awful and we

907
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: needed a change, and Bill did provide that change. Maybe

908
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: the greatest coaching job in Cowboy history, no question that

909
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: team that was layoff, that serious. That was the biggest

910
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: pile of you know what. And I was part of that.

911
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: And and to to say to say that, uh, to

912
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: say that, you know, you could take that was I'm

913
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: always great that he was able to take some of

914
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: the pieces that we put together and make it at

915
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: least presentable to get in the playoffs. I mean, he

916
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: took a quarterback that you know was not well this

917
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: even from a defensive standpoint, He's always been a three

918
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: four guy. Ay, but he knew what what he had

919
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: and he had to go with what his personnel. He

920
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: did the number one defense that year. It was Yes,

921
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: I think they finished number one. It was incredible some

922
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: of the games, I mean offensively, yeah, it's struggling a

923
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: lot of ways, but Mike Zimmer did a heck of job. Mike.

924
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: Mike didn't know what he was about to get into.

925
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: And then the next year, Mike took a three four defense.

926
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: Mike had never called three four defense, and look what

927
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: he did with that. That just shows you the type

928
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: of guys. Sean Payton, Darren Woodson, you know, uh, Mike Zimmer,

929
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, those guys all had a huge, huge hand

930
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: in getting that thing. But it had to start with

931
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: the head coach, and he did a great job. And

932
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: if you look at the offense with Carter at quarterback

933
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: and he was still an unknown at that time, you

934
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: had Hambrick as the running back, Richie Anderson, and Richie

935
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: Anderson ended up catching more passes than anybody else as

936
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: a fullback. As a fullback, Terry Glenn, I mean, it's crazy.

937
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: Bill Bill helped with some some great additions. He really

938
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: really did props the kin on On absolutely visually. You know,

939
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: he's such a creative guy, and I think we've really

940
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: presented it in a cool way. Please watch. And that

941
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: was Terrence Newman's rookie season. He had four interceptions to

942
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: lead the team. And Terrence Newman is probably is the

943
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: last one off that team. He's still playing, still going.

944
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: And we were told when we drafted him he was

945
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: too old. When we drafted it, he was twenty five.

946
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: That's what everybody was worried. How can you take a

947
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: guy that old pick in the draft? Actually, Bill Parcel

948
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: said the same damn thing, because are we going to

949
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: really take a guy this old? And Mike and Larry

950
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: Lasal and those guys that were some really good Bill.

951
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: I give Bill a lot of credit that first year

952
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: in the draft, he listened and then we kind of

953
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: got things together. And then that oh five draft he

954
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: had with DeMarcus Square and those guys was really really good.

955
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: When do you think the last time the Cowboys had

956
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: someone with more than four interceptions in a season, and

957
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: you can look that up real quick. They have the

958
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: incept interception welland's four year. Yeah, I'm just going through

959
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: a year by four Ross four, Ross have six his

960
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: rookie year, Aaron Glenn had four and oh five. Roy

961
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: Williams had five and two thousand. Yeah, when do we

962
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: have Ross? He was Henry had six? Got cut in three? Okay, yeah,

963
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: Anthony Henry had six and oh seven and Ken Hamlin

964
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: had five that year. Go to twenty seventeen, bad four

965
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: again in O eight All right, let me go all right?

966
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: Last year Heath had three, Church had two. In twenty

967
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: sixteen to lead the team, Heath had two twenty five

968
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: point I think you know what's your point though? This

969
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: might be a team to get some interceptions. Well, if

970
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: we've seen yeah, answer your question is twenty fourteen, Bruce

971
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: Carter had five. Bruce I was a linebacker and he

972
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: turned it into a big free agency contract player. Couldn't

973
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: start him. Not a bad player. Bruce Carter with the knee,

974
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: he had that knee probably, Yeah, I was never high

975
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: on Bruce Carter, his instincts as a linebacker. He wasn't

976
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: the smartest guy. But you know what those round found him,

977
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: is what you're saying. He got his money and Sean

978
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: Lee led the team with four and twenty thirteen. So

979
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: mark still having got to a cornerbacker safety. Uh, Brandon

980
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: Carr had three and twenty thirteen, so that's not JJ.

981
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: Wilcox had three and fourteen. I'm just looking at DB's now.

982
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: Carr had three in twenty twelve. Uh, Newman again had

983
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: four in twenty eleven. So we're looking for someone other

984
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: than Terence Newman who had four interceptions. Uh, since the

985
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: ball had five. Bryan's right, there's stilling about a corner.

986
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 1: This young secondary's flying around out here. Though there's there's

987
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: there's encouraging stuff. Mike Jenkins had five in two thousand

988
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: and nine. That's your last corner to have more than

989
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: three interceptions in a season, and they've ruined him. Who

990
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: Mike Jenkins, pac Man Jones BS, al right, wrong, how

991
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: about we go to Texas. In fact, we're going to

992
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: Austin in Longview, Texas. Well, let's go hello Austin. Hey, guys,

993
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: how you doing the lovely show? Thank you. I just

994
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: have a quick comment and a question. The comment is, um,

995
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm not too worried about Dak Prescott. To see. Everybody's

996
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: worried about Dak because of the two receiving corps, but

997
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: everybody could get sad. He's just he's just in his

998
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: third year. So I mean, his his rookie year. He

999
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: had an outstanding year and those were all new guys

1000
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: to him as well. And his best receiver that year

1001
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: was Cold Beasley, you know, and without de Bryant. You know,

1002
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: there's a little stretch that he had. He had a good,

1003
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: good little three game stretch there. And my and my

1004
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: questions is also about Dak Prescott's say, we don't have

1005
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: the year that we're looking to have this year, so

1006
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: we go seven or nine, eight and eight? Are we going?

1007
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: Are we going to have to reboot this whole thing

1008
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: with that, because I mean, we don't want to pay

1009
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott franchise money if he's not that guy. Now,

1010
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: are we're gonna have gonna look for a new quarterback

1011
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: or or what? And that's all I thinks. Thanks for

1012
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: the questions. I appreciate his question for two fronts. He

1013
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: was and it was a comical he just he said, no, no,

1014
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about Dak Prescott. But but yeah, yeah,

1015
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: but if he's not, Yeah, I mean you know they're

1016
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: gonna have to Yeah, if if things don't work out,

1017
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: you know that if things don't work out, you potentially

1018
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: can see a lot of new things. You can see. Man,

1019
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: they get rid of me, they get rid of the coach,

1020
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: they get rid of that. I mean, if if this

1021
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: thing changes, somebody will come in here and say potentially

1022
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: will come in and say, I can't do it with this.

1023
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: I gotta have this, I gotta have this, I gotta

1024
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: have this. And that's what that's that's the danger when

1025
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: you change coaches that if the players, especially the quarterback,

1026
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: does not work out. Look what they've done in Cleveland.

1027
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's been a nightmare for them and it

1028
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: doesn't always work. Just yet the coaches kept his job. Yeah,

1029
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: but well that's what I'm saying, though, I mean, it

1030
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: might be a situation. But you you if things don't

1031
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: work out here, we could see a lot of kay,

1032
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: but you still have to find a quarterback. You're assuming

1033
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: if your team is bad, you'll be picking in the

1034
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: top five. You'll draft a quarterback. And will he be ready?

1035
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure Kyler Murray will be ready? Is he

1036
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: ready for Oklahoma? There's there's there's quarterbacks in this draft

1037
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: we start to look at. I guarantee there'll be four

1038
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: or five guys when it's all said and done. But

1039
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: he was a fourth round pick. Just because you don't

1040
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: pay no act doesn't mean you gotta get rid of

1041
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: It's a great point because most of were so focused

1042
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: on the NFL dre in a season, and even I

1043
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: followed college football closely, but a couple of years ago,

1044
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about Carson Wentz until the Senior Bowl. Basically, well, no,

1045
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: they played in their in their national championship game in Frisco.

1046
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: And said, that's the first he got on my radar,

1047
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: and before you know it, he's the first pick in

1048
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: the draft four months later. Josh Allen last year, I

1049
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: never pay attention to Wyoming football, and he had a

1050
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: very pedestrian collegiate career statistically, watch out for the best quarterback,

1051
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: So there'll be there'll be a Carson Wentzer on Josh Allen,

1052
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: he got win in Missouri. Watch out for the best

1053
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: quarterback in the SEC? Is that bar very high? That

1054
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: Georgia quarterbacks, that Alabama, that Alabama quarterback that came in,

1055
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: and he's better than all of them. Okay, was a

1056
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: pure quarterback out blaying Gabbert too. Se this kid made

1057
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: a good decision. We'll see if Derek Duley can screw

1058
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: them up set the SEC touchdown rec single season touchdown

1059
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: record with a group of receivers that weren't all that great.

1060
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: All Right, We've got three minutes left on the show,

1061
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: and uh, practice today, what will it consist of? This

1062
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: is a Friday before a Sunday game, but uh, this

1063
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: is training camp, pads or shelves. I think they're gonna

1064
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: be in pads. I saw the pads laying out. But

1065
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: but but I wonder if it's going to be quite

1066
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: as physical as we've seen the last maybe cut back,

1067
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: maybe they take them off at some point. Okay, then

1068
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: my question on that is we're all guessing here. Okay,

1069
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: First team offense we'll play a series Thursday night. I

1070
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: kind of hope yes, at least maybe two. Okay, how

1071
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: about ten plays? How much work are they getting this week?

1072
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: If they're what are they doing today? They're off Wednesday,

1073
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: that's a good point play in a series or two

1074
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: Thursday night. They're off Friday? But is it a good time?

1075
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: What I'm getting at here? I think the practices have

1076
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: been pretty physical, and I think that you've got I

1077
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: watched Tavon after they ran Compete drill yesterday with Tavon

1078
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: Austin and then Jordan Lewis. Both those guys, young men

1079
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: walking back up the field together were like looked like

1080
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: old men. You know, these guys have been doing a

1081
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: ton of running the whole wide receiver. Well, it's one

1082
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: reason they're being careful with Thompson too, because they do

1083
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: a lot of running out here. They don't want this achilles.

1084
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: A certain point where you get fifteen days into camp

1085
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: and it's good to have. Let's let's playing some games. Yeah,

1086
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: let's play some games kind of like our workouts in

1087
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: the morning. Yeah, where we were spent after fifteen sixteen

1088
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, Yeah, it's time. That's eight and a half hour.

1089
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: I did we all do. I'm over fifteen, so you guys,

1090
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: I haven't done a damn thing out here. And again

1091
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: player to watch on Thursday night, Mickey, you got any

1092
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: one name? I'm a stick with Anton Antoine Woods number

1093
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: sixty four, Brian one name. I need Mike White to

1094
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: play a little bit whit quarterback number three? Yeah, Lance

1095
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: Lenore Junior. Can he steal a job from all these receivers?

1096
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:21,919
Speaker 1: Or wearing Miles Austin's rookie number number fourteen, and I'll

1097
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: go ahead and take number thirteen. Michael Gallup. I want

1098
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: to see him and you better be awfully good to

1099
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: keep people from going to sleep Thursday night on. I

1100
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: know it. To lap him up, keep him up, try try.

1101
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: Pressure's on. Yeah, Bicky's putting the pressure on. He wants

1102
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: to be on that sideline. We'd love to have you

1103
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: on that sideline too, there, Mickey, Especially to identify what's

1104
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: going on with those third teamers that come in the second.

1105
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,959
Speaker 1: That'll be a chore, all right. The break can't wait

1106
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: to get on the air here coming over the rails.

1107
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: We're getting kicked off the air. Enjoy your Thursday night

1108
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: football on Thursday Night. The Cowboys and the Niners. The

1109
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: break is next, Mo