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Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. Hey, good Thursday morning to you, and
Speaker 1: this is Talking Cowboys as we are getting closer and
Speaker 1: closer to that home opener on Sunday night against the
Speaker 1: New York Football Giants, and we got a big show
Speaker 1: lined up for you for the next hours. We'll be
Speaker 1: joined by John Schmelkov Giants dot Com and go behind
Speaker 1: enemy lines and get the lowdown on what these Giants
Speaker 1: feature this year. A battle of two oh and one teams.
Speaker 1: Something's got to give on Sunday night, right, gentlemen, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because you don't want to be oh and two. That's
Speaker 1: exactly right. What's the percentage if you finish oh or
Speaker 1: if you start the season oh and two of making
Speaker 1: the playoffs? Well, let me tell you I got that
Speaker 1: Spags go saw it in the New York Daily News.
Speaker 1: Only twenty eight of two hundred and thirty one teams
Speaker 1: that have started oh and two have made the playoffs
Speaker 1: twenty eight of two hundred and thirty one. Yes, you
Speaker 1: have the percentage on that. I didn't do that. I
Speaker 1: got it, I got it. I want to do it.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight divided by two thirty one. What do you got?
Speaker 1: Twelve percent? Twelve point one percent. So this is a
Speaker 1: must win game. Huh. Basically both teams as online as
Speaker 1: Brian would say, they're all must win, especially this one.
Speaker 1: You guys are gonna come around on my thinking on that.
Speaker 1: But did I not say that on the Happy Hour show?
Speaker 1: After I put you in a headlock? You weren't on
Speaker 1: the air. What are you talking off? Off the air?
Speaker 1: I put you in ahead? But you know why. But
Speaker 1: you know why it's a must win because if you
Speaker 1: start oh and two, it's pretty good signal that you're
Speaker 1: not very good. Right. It's not that you can't recover
Speaker 1: from you're just not good enough. New coaches were owing seven.
Speaker 1: That means their teams weren't very good. Yeah. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why they new coaches because the team they inherited was
Speaker 1: bad enough to get the other guy fired. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. It's fair. I just it's a fair point.
Speaker 1: I just you know, it's a division game too. You
Speaker 1: got to think about that. You know, a division game.
Speaker 1: You lose a division game at home, that's like losing two,
Speaker 1: especially against the team that may be considered number four
Speaker 1: out of four on paper for the season. Three and
Speaker 1: I had him as a possible flip two with Dallas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a week. Remember we did this whole thing.
Speaker 1: We went through all the different scenarios and we said, oh,
Speaker 1: well we're not. We had Washington, that's right, we had
Speaker 1: Washington's last we had that's right. Giants toe, Yeah, Giants
Speaker 1: Dallas flip And I think I said that flip two
Speaker 1: three on Dallas and the Giants here. Yeah. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't go too to start this thing, You really can't.
Speaker 1: I think I had so many questions to after what
Speaker 1: the O one got you, you know, you better figure
Speaker 1: some things out. And for some of us who picked
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to win the division, that would be the
Speaker 1: two gentlemen on this side side of the table, it
Speaker 1: becomes more much more of a must win situation. Twelve
Speaker 1: percent chance. You're how many go in there and explain
Speaker 1: it to them. Maybe you should give the pregame speech, Mack. Yeah.
Speaker 1: While the other side of the table, Bayan and Rob
Speaker 1: Vick pick Philly by the way, just to review our
Speaker 1: picks from last week. Ye all right, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1: Brian brought us as we approach another practice day here
Speaker 1: at the Star getting set for this one. You know what,
Speaker 1: I think that you have to figure out. You go back,
Speaker 1: you look at the tape. You figured out what you
Speaker 1: were good at. You know there were some things they
Speaker 1: were good at. You have to look at the things
Speaker 1: that you were poor at. You have to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: what are the matchups that we can look at with
Speaker 1: the Giants? Is there things we can take advantage of.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants defensively without Olivier Vernon, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like he's gonna play. And I guaranteed Minael, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we asked John. John's gonna say he's probably not gonna play.
Speaker 1: But I will say though that the Giants do have
Speaker 1: a better secondary than Carolina. But you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: figure out a ways if the Cowboy receivers are able
Speaker 1: to get open against Carolina, this will be a very
Speaker 1: good test for them to see if they can get
Speaker 1: open against a second I think, but I don't think
Speaker 1: the Giants had the pass rush that Carolina does, I
Speaker 1: don't think they had that without, especially without Olivier Vernon.
Speaker 1: That's in my mind right now. How do you take
Speaker 1: advantage of this some of the things you can do
Speaker 1: well in this game? Focus on those, get those plays
Speaker 1: that you can hang your hat on, and then try
Speaker 1: and stay ahead of the chains. That's going to be
Speaker 1: really the most important thing, because this offense can't function
Speaker 1: when it's behind the chains. They need to run the
Speaker 1: ball better and more consistently. I mean, the running game
Speaker 1: didn't get going until what this second half way through
Speaker 1: the third Quarter's gonna be tough with Landon Collins sitting
Speaker 1: down there, and that's fine, that's fine, but you got
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to get Zeke going and
Speaker 1: get him going early, and do a better job blocking
Speaker 1: and if they want to stuff the line of scrimmaged
Speaker 1: and you better be able to protect the quarterback so
Speaker 1: you can take advantages of some one on one situations.
Speaker 1: I think defensively, if you look at the matchups for Dallas,
Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to do what they did a
Speaker 1: little bit of or quite a bit of, and let's
Speaker 1: get pressure from Carolina. They can do that again this week.
Speaker 1: The Giants have weapons offensively, but they still even remaking
Speaker 1: their line. Now, they played a really good defense last week,
Speaker 1: maybe the best in the league, but very fast defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they struggle to protect Elie and I know he
Speaker 1: gets the ball out quick. But you have weapons out there,
Speaker 1: Odell say Quon, but if you can't protect the quarterback,
Speaker 1: that's gonna cost you over sixty minutes. And I think
Speaker 1: that's an opportunity. Now there's a flip side of that.
Speaker 1: They've got to tackle a hell of a lot better
Speaker 1: than they did last week. Yeah, because Barkley showed even
Speaker 1: though he really made one big play in the game
Speaker 1: that kept New York in the game. I would hope
Speaker 1: that Shaun Lee comes out today and says, if we
Speaker 1: can stop Barkley, we can we can beat the Giants,
Speaker 1: because it really on the flip side. You look at
Speaker 1: Manning and he sure he's might, he's won a couple
Speaker 1: of Super Bowls and all that, but you blitz him,
Speaker 1: you get his eye level down, you put pressure on him.
Speaker 1: He will throw the ball up, he will miss throws
Speaker 1: because of pressure. But you've got to get to him.
Speaker 1: You can't sit there and you got to take advantage
Speaker 1: of Flowers, and even Nate Solder wasn't very good. And
Speaker 1: Rob's right, Jacksonville's got a good, speedy defense. But the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are capable of putting pressure on this giant, on
Speaker 1: this giant offensive line, which will affect the way the
Speaker 1: quarterback play. The line is almost exactly totally different than
Speaker 1: it was last year. Flowers is kind of the main
Speaker 1: holdover right tack. He's the worst one. He gave up
Speaker 1: seven pressures. I had seven pressures against him last week
Speaker 1: in a sack. Tried to trip the first play of
Speaker 1: the game. Looky, they didn't get a safety. They're in
Speaker 1: their own end zone and a half. Yeah, he trips
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean he's totally out of body position,
Speaker 1: balances all. That's terrible and he tries to up the
Speaker 1: guy and it's an easy call. Seven pressures. Yes, according
Speaker 1: to your favorite website. I think that's being kind based
Speaker 1: on your all twenty two assessment. Yes, they watching the game.
Speaker 1: I didn't need all twenty two on. All I need
Speaker 1: is the box. They he was terrible, they got problems.
Speaker 1: Solder was problem. Remember they're starting a rookie too, a guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: will Nandez he's a good one, but but he gave
Speaker 1: up a sack. Yeah, so quitness gets him. You know,
Speaker 1: cowboys with that undertackle, the ability to play with some
Speaker 1: quickness inside. That'll be a problem for those guys. Because
Speaker 1: there's a reason why, you know, Barkley had seventeen carries
Speaker 1: for what thirty seven thirty seven yards and then one
Speaker 1: for sixty eight. And there was also a reason why
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior caught eleven passes but he averaged ten
Speaker 1: yards a catch. Didn't have time to get him down
Speaker 1: the field what they started doing all the underneath stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they missed him one time though, and that's because Manning
Speaker 1: got pressure. I mean he yeah, it was it was like,
Speaker 1: oh geez, and you know that's what she's got to fear.
Speaker 1: I think that when the matchups I wrote about today
Speaker 1: was a woozyer and you can even throw Byron Jones
Speaker 1: in this. I think you're gonna have to play with
Speaker 1: Odell beck and play physical on the line with him.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's okay as far as the movement,
Speaker 1: the quickness and all that stuff, but you have to
Speaker 1: beat him up at the line of scrimmage. You cannot
Speaker 1: allow him to get in routes. I mean because if
Speaker 1: you beat him up, it affects the way that Manning
Speaker 1: throws the ball. Because Manning doesn't have enough time to
Speaker 1: sit there and wait for him to separate. He's got
Speaker 1: to throw the ball, and he did that. They one
Speaker 1: time they brought they brought safety blitz, but they called
Speaker 1: zero coverage with no safety in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: They brought a blitz down there and Beckham just ran
Speaker 1: an arrow route and Manning didn't have enough time, and
Speaker 1: he tried. He just tried to throw it in his direction.
Speaker 1: He was a good twelve yards off. So you can
Speaker 1: affect the way that you can affect the quarterback, which
Speaker 1: affects the receiver. But you got to affect the receiver
Speaker 1: by being physical with him because if you give him
Speaker 1: free access in route, he will kill you. I got
Speaker 1: a new, a new stat dear buddies over there at
Speaker 1: that whatever focus thing need to kill up. Even the
Speaker 1: dame he doesn't know it. I don't pro football focus.
Speaker 1: I don't blame him. One of their one of their
Speaker 1: field goal drives, there was two pis on Odell Beckham Junior. Yes,
Speaker 1: for forty yards. They only drove like sixty two forty
Speaker 1: of the yards were two one on Barry Church and
Speaker 1: one on Ramsey, So I think they need to put
Speaker 1: him the wide receiver stat thing. It's like PI, if
Speaker 1: I earned that many yards on a on a pass interference,
Speaker 1: then I should get credit for that because on both
Speaker 1: of them it was gonna be a big place. Especially
Speaker 1: I don't know how they isolated him on Barry Church,
Speaker 1: which is totally unfair, but he had to grab on otherwise.
Speaker 1: You gamble, you gamble, you're gonna get somebody home before
Speaker 1: the ball gets off. That's your that's your gamble. That's
Speaker 1: that one. Okay, we're just gonna we're gonna sell out
Speaker 1: on this one particular play. And it's like when Rod
Speaker 1: Marinelli brings linebackers or safeties or slot blitz and he drops,
Speaker 1: you know, Crawford and coverage and Crawford's trying to run
Speaker 1: with a running back or something. That's just never a
Speaker 1: good never a good look. You know about what you're
Speaker 1: talking about with an out anyone whether it's us or
Speaker 1: an outside company or whatever that are grading coaches film
Speaker 1: when you don't know what the assignment is hard. With
Speaker 1: the players, it's are difficult to put a grade. On
Speaker 1: what that player. There used to be a time where
Speaker 1: they used to not use They used to do it
Speaker 1: off TV copy. Oh wow, so well, and they made
Speaker 1: a lot of money doing it. And I questioned the
Speaker 1: guy one time, I did an interview with him, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do you evaluate players off TV copy?
Speaker 1: And it goes to the point of what Mickey saying.
Speaker 1: If you're doing offensive defensive lineman, I'm okay with you
Speaker 1: doing that all day because I think you can kind
Speaker 1: of get something out at a feel for Yeah. But
Speaker 1: but other than that, I mean, I go back. When
Speaker 1: I go back and I do, like say the Scouts
Speaker 1: Scouts Scott Notebook. After a game, I'm watching the TV games,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to kind of pick some things that it
Speaker 1: caught my eyes. You can see on and then, but
Speaker 1: you don't try and get into any exces and those things,
Speaker 1: because you know, I have the opportunity to come back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I come back and watch the All twenty two. You
Speaker 1: at least have a little bit better idea. But you're
Speaker 1: right when you don't know the assignment, that's that's where
Speaker 1: you have to that's where you have to go with it.
Speaker 1: I got a question on those lines for you after this.
Speaker 1: But right now, let's check in with someone who has
Speaker 1: been covering the New York Giants, not as long as
Speaker 1: Mickey is covering. Very good John, don't let them do
Speaker 1: that too yet. John Schmell Giants dot Com, welcome to talking.
Speaker 1: Hey boys, what's going on? Guys? Then it's funny based
Speaker 1: on what you guys were just saying, I heard the
Speaker 1: telling your conversation. To Brian's point, I was trying to
Speaker 1: figure out on the play with the Giants and Jaguars
Speaker 1: last week on being complete class Odell Beckham in the
Speaker 1: end zone who messed up the blitz pickoff? And I
Speaker 1: had three different ideas of who it could have been.
Speaker 1: Until I talked to the head coach, it was neither
Speaker 1: one of the three guys that I thought messed up
Speaker 1: at actually picked up. So you're right, until you talk
Speaker 1: to the coaches, you really don't know what's going on
Speaker 1: with a lot of this stuff, all right, So give
Speaker 1: us an overview first of this Giants team coming into
Speaker 1: at and T Stadium on Sunday. Well, disappointing first week loss,
Speaker 1: but it was against a very good team, and I
Speaker 1: think the Giants and Cowboys. I was just talking to
Speaker 1: one of my colleagues over here in very similar situations.
Speaker 1: Did the first week loss happen because there are real
Speaker 1: serious long term problems for the Giants on the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Or is it just the fact that they were playing
Speaker 1: a really, really good defensive front in the Jaguars and
Speaker 1: it's Week one. Maybe they just happen to have a
Speaker 1: particular bad week against a good team. So if there's
Speaker 1: one big topic of conversation in New York this week,
Speaker 1: it's the Giants offensive line. I think they were generally
Speaker 1: happy with the way the defense played. Saquon Barkley had
Speaker 1: the big run, So that's really where the focus is
Speaker 1: right now. Sounds familiar, John, because that's kind of what
Speaker 1: we've been looking at as the offensive line. Here is
Speaker 1: an ability to protect Dak and to keep him clean
Speaker 1: and not get behind the change. Why do you say that, Mickey,
Speaker 1: Because I read John's recap of the game, the Giants game,
Speaker 1: and I thought that you could you could just change
Speaker 1: Giants to Cowboys, that it felt like this not the
Speaker 1: same thing with the Cowboys. So from an injury standpoint,
Speaker 1: John Olivier Verdon looks like he hasn't been practice. Does
Speaker 1: he have hope to get back. You think, yeah, Look,
Speaker 1: he was actually outside with the team yesterday on the
Speaker 1: side with the trainers, which is something he was not
Speaker 1: able to do next week, so he has kind of
Speaker 1: taken that next mini step. But look, this is a
Speaker 1: high ankle sprain, and this is a guy who last
Speaker 1: year tried to play on an injury like that and
Speaker 1: he was basically a shell of himself the whole year.
Speaker 1: So my guess is that they're probably going to try
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more cautious get him back
Speaker 1: at h so when he does get back, he can
Speaker 1: be that dynamic pass rusher that he has the ability
Speaker 1: to be. I'm sure Vernon will try to convince them
Speaker 1: to let him play, but if we don't see him
Speaker 1: practice at least in a limited basis, either today or tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I think the chances are slim and that kind of
Speaker 1: hurts their I mean needless to say, right their overall
Speaker 1: pass rush without him out there, Oh it kills him,
Speaker 1: they don't. He is by far their most dynamic pass rusher.
Speaker 1: Connor Ballin's a veteran, he knows what he's doing. He's
Speaker 1: a technique guy. He's good, got a little inside spin move,
Speaker 1: that strong. Lorenzo Carter is a great athlete, but he
Speaker 1: really hasn't, you know, figured out how to rush the
Speaker 1: passer on the NFL level quite yet. So Yeah, without Vernon,
Speaker 1: they don't have that guy that you have to worry
Speaker 1: about winning one on one. Hey, Johnny mentioned the offensive line,
Speaker 1: and it's a really largely remade group from last season.
Speaker 1: What's the general feeling about it after game one? And
Speaker 1: is the feeling that Quon can kind of cover up
Speaker 1: some of those issues or potential issues that they have
Speaker 1: up front? It's concerned, um, And you're right, it's a
Speaker 1: completely different group from last year. Now one player is
Speaker 1: in the same position they were playing in last year,
Speaker 1: and four players are completely new. John how Appeal, I
Speaker 1: think played in a couple of games into last year,
Speaker 1: but he's pretty much a new player as well. And
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers had the most was at right tackle. He
Speaker 1: got beat inside a few times, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: there were issues all along the line. Will Hernandez, their
Speaker 1: second round pick, got beat a couple of times, Made Solar,
Speaker 1: the big free agent pickup, got beat a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Patrick omame their right guarden, and how Appeal, their center
Speaker 1: had their issues too, So overall it was just a
Speaker 1: poor game for them. If they would have protected a
Speaker 1: little bit more that Eli Manning would have had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to make a few more plays down the field,
Speaker 1: the Giants probably would have won the football game. As
Speaker 1: for Barkley, his numbers got skewed a lot by that
Speaker 1: one big run for sixty eight yards. Other than that,
Speaker 1: I think yeah, only average around two two point two
Speaker 1: yards per carry. And I was actually listening to one
Speaker 1: of your Guys shows the other day and Brian made
Speaker 1: the comparison that Barkley kind of runs like Barry Sanders,
Speaker 1: and I think that's absolutely correct. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: the comparison I made coming out of the draft, where
Speaker 1: he'll go one yard negative two, negative three one and
Speaker 1: then boom fifty or boom twenty. So right now he's
Speaker 1: a boom or bus guy. He doesn't like luring his
Speaker 1: pads to get that dirty two three yard run off
Speaker 1: the middle. He's going to try to bounce and make
Speaker 1: a big play, and I think that's right now what
Speaker 1: he is. Well, John Tabe, I feel good when you're
Speaker 1: saying I'm actually right about a guy. Be careful with that. No,
Speaker 1: you're the best when you do that. But John, Hey,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you too about the comments that
Speaker 1: Landing Collins makes and is this more of a challenge.
Speaker 1: Was Landing Collins challenging really through the media his teammates
Speaker 1: or is this something that you're kind of as you
Speaker 1: walk through the locker room there that the giants. Is
Speaker 1: this something the coaching staff is or other players repeating
Speaker 1: what Landing Collins is saying about if you stop Ezekiel Eli,
Speaker 1: you have a better chance of winning the game. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's any surprise that the scouting report
Speaker 1: on the Dallas Cowboys you stop Ezekiel Eli, you turn
Speaker 1: them into a passing team. You got a good chance
Speaker 1: of winning, right. I don't think Landon Collins was trying
Speaker 1: to make any headlines. But do I think that's what
Speaker 1: the coaching staff is telling the players? Absolutely? And I
Speaker 1: think I went back. I think Dak Prescott has thrown
Speaker 1: for two hundred and fifty yards once since the last
Speaker 1: twelve starts or thirteen starts something like that. Sure, so
Speaker 1: I think that's the game plan. You stop the run,
Speaker 1: You try to put Dallas in third and long where
Speaker 1: you know that's not where they're at their best and
Speaker 1: you go from there. So yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: that's what the defensive game plan has no doubt about it. Well, John,
Speaker 1: how is okay the team? This team has a great history.
Speaker 1: You're playing three four defense, three four front. How are
Speaker 1: they adapting now? For so many years playing the four
Speaker 1: to three now they're back in that three four front.
Speaker 1: The type of personnel? Did they feel better about the
Speaker 1: guys that they got to play the three four defense?
Speaker 1: It all starts really with Harrison inside, and then we've
Speaker 1: talked about Collins, But overall, how do they feel like
Speaker 1: the scheme has looked so far? You know, it's funny
Speaker 1: that was a huge storyline in the off season, and
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of conversations with defensive coordinator James
Speaker 1: Betcher about it. And this is not your traditional nineteen
Speaker 1: eighties two gapping three four scheme, right. Yeah. He likes
Speaker 1: the one gap out of the three four, which is
Speaker 1: very uncommon. He wants his guys to use their quickness
Speaker 1: and athleticism to get up the field and penetrate. They're
Speaker 1: not just trying to occupy blockers. So for that reason,
Speaker 1: I think that transition's been pretty smooth. Their interior defensive
Speaker 1: linemen are very, very good. They have three guys that
Speaker 1: are starting in their three four base defense that played
Speaker 1: the one technique in college from time to time. Dalvin
Speaker 1: Thomlinson in Alabama. Right they drafted DJ Hill this year.
Speaker 1: He's more of a three, but he did play the
Speaker 1: one in college. He stops to run well, and then you,
Speaker 1: I think is the best run stopping defensive lineman in
Speaker 1: the league in Snacks Harrison. So you do not want
Speaker 1: to try to run up the middle against these guys.
Speaker 1: It's not going to work. Where they struggle in the
Speaker 1: week one was on the edge when Leonard Fournette was
Speaker 1: healthy in the first half. Once you went out of
Speaker 1: the game, the Jaguars are trouble moving the ball with
Speaker 1: the run game. But if you're going to have success,
Speaker 1: I think you better attack the edge. Ah, John, you
Speaker 1: just stole my next question because I noticed that when
Speaker 1: Fournette was in there, they were able to get to
Speaker 1: the edge in that running game. Jacksonville was, but when
Speaker 1: he went out, they shut down yelled in because that
Speaker 1: seemed like they just wanted yelled in going up the middle,
Speaker 1: which I mean that seems counterproductive, especially how big and strong.
Speaker 1: Those front three guys are right up the middle. Yeah, absolutely, Look,
Speaker 1: you want to make these guys move. And I think
Speaker 1: the other thing you look at too, if you're attacking
Speaker 1: the Giant defense is their strength against the pass or
Speaker 1: they're two outside corners Genors Jenks and Neil Apple. They
Speaker 1: are legitimately good cover corners. And Jane Betche's gonna run
Speaker 1: a lot of cover one. He's gonna run a lot
Speaker 1: of single high cover three. And those guys are going
Speaker 1: to be very, very aggressive on the perimeter. They're gonna
Speaker 1: try to jump routes, They're gonna be all over those curls,
Speaker 1: those those comebacks and things like that. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to challenge them and beat them over the top to
Speaker 1: loosen them up a little bit to start throwing that
Speaker 1: short stuff. Was that sort of a renaissance performance by Apple.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we thought, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how engaged he was, but he sure looked awfully
Speaker 1: good in that game. Yeah, and I think that was big.
Speaker 1: You know, Ela Apple, he was a big source of
Speaker 1: concern last season, but when Pat Schermer got here, he
Speaker 1: kind of gave everybody a bit of a fresh start.
Speaker 1: And Eli Apple was number one on that list there,
Speaker 1: Flowers was probably number two. Flower did not take advantage
Speaker 1: of that in Week one, but it looks like Ela
Speaker 1: Apple to me did. He played a very good game.
Speaker 1: He was targeted a few times, really didn't give the
Speaker 1: opposing receiver any room to breathe. And he's a guy
Speaker 1: that I want to see react when he gets beat.
Speaker 1: You know, it's easy to be good when you're stopping guys,
Speaker 1: but mentally for him, if he is a bad game
Speaker 1: and people start questioning you again, I want to see
Speaker 1: how we react to that. I think that'll be a
Speaker 1: big key for him this year. John will the final
Speaker 1: question before we let you run you. We know you
Speaker 1: got a thing to do for your team. But Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham everything about him positive coming out. I mean the
Speaker 1: yards per catch. They missed him a couple of different
Speaker 1: times from what I saw on tape, but overall, the health,
Speaker 1: everything about it, attitude good going forward here. He was
Speaker 1: a different guy this offseason, and I've been critical with
Speaker 1: him in the past. I think he's been very immature.
Speaker 1: He's made a lot of you know, just decisions of
Speaker 1: eighteen year old kid or a nineteen year old kid.
Speaker 1: Would make. But he did everything right this offseason. I
Speaker 1: mean he really did. If he didn't show up for
Speaker 1: voluntary workouts and in mini camp and training camp, and
Speaker 1: remember he didn't show up for voluntary stuff the two
Speaker 1: years prior to this. This year, knowing he wanted the extension,
Speaker 1: he decided to take the tact of I'm going to
Speaker 1: show the Giants I want to be a serious football
Speaker 1: player and this is the most important thing to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna act like a professional. And the Giants
Speaker 1: rewarded him by giving him a contract. And I think ideally,
Speaker 1: when you have teams and a player, that's how you
Speaker 1: wanted to go. And I see no that ankle injury
Speaker 1: that kind of took football away from him last year,
Speaker 1: I think really kind of rang a bell for him
Speaker 1: a little bit. And he has been a pleasure to
Speaker 1: deal with all offseason. And I think that the arrows
Speaker 1: really pointed up. He has a good bond with Pat Shermer,
Speaker 1: and I think, yeah, it would better than even I
Speaker 1: could have imagined when this team left Tire on the
Speaker 1: first day of January last year. And it's it's been very,
Speaker 1: very good. And I got about three more minutes if
Speaker 1: you guys want to use it, by the way, it's
Speaker 1: up to you. Yeah. Absolutely, well, Mickey stole my question
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Speaker 1: must win this week, and we looked up to the
Speaker 1: percentages when you start O and two. Is that a
Speaker 1: topic of conversation up there in New York this week? Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Landon Collins has actually asked this yesterday and he said, look, Owen,
Speaker 1: two's a big hole and neither one of these teams
Speaker 1: want to be in it. So you know, it's John's Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna be pumped up at Psyche that you guys
Speaker 1: home open. Everyone's gonna be into the game. But ten
Speaker 1: percent chance of making the plaza I think right when
Speaker 1: you start on two something like that, So twelve percent.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a very important game. Hey, John, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you an LSU man normally doesn't agree with
Speaker 1: an Alabama man. But that's a smart Alabama man you
Speaker 1: have in that locker room here, because I preached that
Speaker 1: all the time about must wins, and these guys look
Speaker 1: at me like I'm an idiot here. That's not true.
Speaker 1: But whatever, it sounds good, John, making you have a
Speaker 1: parting question good, I'm good for I'm good with him.
Speaker 1: We'll let him run and John, I'll talk to you tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Sounds good, Nick, I appreciate it. Guys, always good to
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Speaker 1: I know, I did radio one time in Denver. This
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Speaker 1: John's my favorite guy at the combine, by the way. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: It's like, hey, John, you gotta e that guerrilla tape.
Speaker 1: You know, sure he's got like got something left behind,
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Speaker 1: the Ohio State TCU game by Yeah, good job, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize the professional radio voice man. Well, I
Speaker 1: did not realize that. I emphasized the the on the
Speaker 1: Ohio State University. They loved it. They love that when
Speaker 1: you do that, they see they get Bill to do
Speaker 1: that and ask us, I'm not going to talk about
Speaker 1: TCU or Ohio State in any glowing terms. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: Well we should. It was a script. So an Oklahoma
Speaker 1: man right followed the script. You guess who I saw
Speaker 1: this morning? I told Rob before the show. I saw
Speaker 1: one Jason Witton this morning. Ye out here at No
Speaker 1: he was at Central Market. Actually you were shopping that
Speaker 1: early in the morning. Well, actually my wife had a
Speaker 1: town still no, getting some excellent meals, pre made meals.
Speaker 1: All right, if you must know, every Thursday morning, I'm
Speaker 1: involved in a group of Bible study I remember at
Speaker 1: Central Market in soft Lake and um and actually Pat
Speaker 1: summer All was part of Erica way back. We started
Speaker 1: it like in two thousand and five, and I did
Speaker 1: it at the grocery store. Yeah, there's cafe at the
Speaker 1: Ali Ranch though, well that was a different one. It
Speaker 1: was different group, but anyway, Pat was involved in that one.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so one of the guys came back and
Speaker 1: told me that Witton was in the store, and so
Speaker 1: I went and found him, and he talked my ear
Speaker 1: off about Monday night football. So I did. I got
Speaker 1: no Bible study at this morning. It was the Gospel
Speaker 1: according to Jason Monday. But I brought him back there
Speaker 1: and introduced him to the game, like looking at the
Speaker 1: fig muttons trying to get away, like oh, the apple one,
Speaker 1: the strawberry ones. But one of the interesting things that
Speaker 1: Jason said was, you know, he did the Raiders game
Speaker 1: Monday night, and John Gruden apparently after the game went
Speaker 1: and watch the TV copy of the game and then
Speaker 1: called him and complimented on some stuff, but also gave
Speaker 1: him some tips on some certain stuff, you know. And
Speaker 1: of course he coached Booger McFarland and so that dynamic
Speaker 1: and kind of gave him some tips on how to
Speaker 1: handle the three man booth when the third guys on
Speaker 1: the sideline. And they're just interesting right here and wouldn't
Speaker 1: talk about it. He is, he's so excited about what
Speaker 1: he's doing and enjoy himself. You challenge for him. He
Speaker 1: always He's always been a guy wh's challenged himself to
Speaker 1: do things. So then he's asking me about this team,
Speaker 1: and he had some thoughts on this team that we're interesting. Yea,
Speaker 1: as far as I don't know how how much I
Speaker 1: should share because off the record, some of it could
Speaker 1: be off the record, but he did one thing. He
Speaker 1: did say he likes the thought now that now that
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be on the field all the time,
Speaker 1: go ahead and use some of that ten personnel. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's a little bit different when he's here. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: if he was here, he would not be in favor
Speaker 1: of that ten personnel. Yeah, I'm not coming off the
Speaker 1: field now. I think that I think you're going to
Speaker 1: see them do more of that. I think that the
Speaker 1: plan is going to be And I brought up the
Speaker 1: question yesterday but yesterday about trying to are you gonna
Speaker 1: make Dak a pocket passer or you're gonna are you're
Speaker 1: gonna play to his strengths and let him be more
Speaker 1: free wheeling in the way he plays. And you know,
Speaker 1: eleven personnel gives you a good opportunity if you can
Speaker 1: get some of those guys going, you get Beasley going,
Speaker 1: And we saw what Austin could do. I know it
Speaker 1: was one play but the one play went for nine yards.
Speaker 1: If you throw the ball to a guy and he
Speaker 1: could get nine yards, ten yards, maybe bust it loose.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm all for getting him more involved.
Speaker 1: I'm all for also more involved, getting Michael Gallut more involved. Man,
Speaker 1: he came across the middle of that one time he
Speaker 1: was open, he was able to define space, get him
Speaker 1: to ball, let him run. I'm totally okay with that.
Speaker 1: If Dak Prescott has to run on the read option
Speaker 1: stuff in order to keep that defensive end wide, so
Speaker 1: ezekiellot can hit that gap by all means, I mean,
Speaker 1: I you know, there's there's quarterbacks in this league you protect.
Speaker 1: You try and protect Rogers and Bray and Breeze, but
Speaker 1: there's other guys you just say, go play football, Just
Speaker 1: go play football. And I think Dak Prescott is that guy.
Speaker 1: I do. And that's my attitude about it is, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna and I know it's one game, and I'm
Speaker 1: not supposed to knee jerk, and I'm not knee jerk.
Speaker 1: I just think you have to go back to what
Speaker 1: he was able to do in twenty sixteen. They ran
Speaker 1: the ball effectively, but they played loose with him. You know,
Speaker 1: they played loose and away and allowed him to do
Speaker 1: some things and order him for him to be creative
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands. I don't believe Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure people will come at me for this.
Speaker 1: I just don't see a pocket passing quarterback. I see
Speaker 1: a guy that's much better playing on the move and
Speaker 1: doing things that he is capable of doing. He threw
Speaker 1: twenty nine passes in that game. I wonder, and you're
Speaker 1: guys over there with the stats people, how many times
Speaker 1: he actually threw the ball from the pocket. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he was on the run. Yeah, it wasn't like he
Speaker 1: was sitting there. But they said in the second half,
Speaker 1: now better than no. But I'm saying the protection part.
Speaker 1: If you believe next gen stats, which is another thing
Speaker 1: that we're having to deal with, and you know, and
Speaker 1: there's people out there that that trust those numbers and stuff.
Speaker 1: They said he was he was the fifth. He had
Speaker 1: the fifth most time. Okay, I'm gonna say this wrong.
Speaker 1: He was fifth of the quarterbacks that played as far
Speaker 1: as time in the pocket three point five seconds per
Speaker 1: throw in the pocket. That doesn't sound right. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm point five is a long time. That's it forever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what they said. He was the fifth best
Speaker 1: protected quarterback when he was in the pocket. I feel
Speaker 1: like the average time in the NFL for a quarterbacks
Speaker 1: like two and a half. No, that's the that's the
Speaker 1: number they had, And I just whether you believe it
Speaker 1: or not, but I'm just trying to say, I understand.
Speaker 1: I understand what what this might take to get things
Speaker 1: going for him. You might have to run in the ball,
Speaker 1: standing of the chains, I get that, but you're gonna
Speaker 1: probably have to do something things that he was did
Speaker 1: in two Mississippi State twenty sixteen. Those things. They tried
Speaker 1: to make him a pocket passer last year, they really have.
Speaker 1: They tried to make him a pocket passer, and maybe
Speaker 1: that's not his cup of tea first eight games, sixteen
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, four interceptions. Last season, Yes, moving around, But
Speaker 1: I don't know what if he moved around in the
Speaker 1: first eight games or not, or if he was in
Speaker 1: the pocket. All I know is when they ran the
Speaker 1: football and they protected him, he was pretty darn good.
Speaker 1: They've got to figure out something. When they can't run
Speaker 1: the football, that's the problem. And there are two new
Speaker 1: pieces up front, holding calls and motion calls, blocking the back,
Speaker 1: all those things hurt him. How much read option are
Speaker 1: you thinking? Then you know what, I'm gonna freewheel this thing.
Speaker 1: I am. Jerry Jones talked about it the other day.
Speaker 1: He compared him, and I understand the comparison. If you
Speaker 1: talk about Cam Newton and you talk about Golf. What
Speaker 1: he's trying to say is, we've got the ability to
Speaker 1: run the football like Cam Newton did the other day
Speaker 1: for sixty yards in the first half. We've also got
Speaker 1: the ability to throw the ball like Jared Golf did
Speaker 1: the other night in that that Money Night game. I
Speaker 1: think they're a little bit closer to what Cam Newton
Speaker 1: is than what Jared Golf is myself. Maybe that's what
Speaker 1: Maybe that's something maybe he's given us a little bit
Speaker 1: of a hint that, Okay, we need to figure out
Speaker 1: more things for him to do where it allows him
Speaker 1: to to get in the flow of the game other
Speaker 1: than playing from the pocket. I'm on board with that.
Speaker 1: I think you just do have to be mindful of
Speaker 1: the toll that can take depending on how much you
Speaker 1: use it. Yeah, but and yeah, I was just a friend.
Speaker 1: I think they protected him because he's a friend. They
Speaker 1: think he's a franchise quarterback. Well, as Mickey said yesterday too,
Speaker 1: what's your alternative? But he goes down? You know that's
Speaker 1: that's the problem. I mean, there's I'm just saying there's
Speaker 1: a flip side to it. We saw RG three, who
Speaker 1: was a much slighter built player. Sure do that for
Speaker 1: a full season, and he got hurt and he was
Speaker 1: never the same. Now das built like a linebacker. So
Speaker 1: I feel better about him running read option. Um, but
Speaker 1: I'm not all one. I'm not asking him to run
Speaker 1: ten twelve times. Well that's what I was asking you.
Speaker 1: How many times do you want to do with Griffin?
Speaker 1: Is he had breakaway speed where he could feel like
Speaker 1: he could get to that coiner Dak is smart in
Speaker 1: that he'll go ahead and hell yeah, I think they're
Speaker 1: going to have to do something different though, I do.
Speaker 1: I mean, and to me, it's because if it's they've
Speaker 1: got to find a way to get the running game going,
Speaker 1: and they've got to find a way to get him
Speaker 1: going throwing the football and get him in a comfort
Speaker 1: level because I think he gets they got behind the chains.
Speaker 1: He misses some throws and I think he starts pressing,
Speaker 1: and we saw that last season two and may and
Speaker 1: there may be it may lead to him not seeing
Speaker 1: things as as well as he normally would when things
Speaker 1: are rolling a little bit easy. What about coming out
Speaker 1: tempo and did a nice shot with that the other day,
Speaker 1: and get him into a ven you get eleven personnel
Speaker 1: on the field, and you're comfortable with everybody out there,
Speaker 1: Just keep going, keep going, let him, let him manage
Speaker 1: the game that way. I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 1: I just think they have to let him play more.
Speaker 1: And I think that that that plays to his strength.
Speaker 1: I really do. And that's you know, I watched him
Speaker 1: in the pocket stuff and all that, and I understand
Speaker 1: what Mickey's saying. Eight touchdowns for interceptions, I get it,
Speaker 1: But I think that I think that you've got to
Speaker 1: figure out a way to play to his strengths. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what's their record when he gets sacked
Speaker 1: six or more times, Yeah, that all sounds good, but
Speaker 1: if you can't protect him. That's the second most he's
Speaker 1: ever been sacked besides eight. Yeah, that game and didn't
Speaker 1: turn out well, did it. What's your suggestion? No, My
Speaker 1: suggestion is you got to do a better job. I'm
Speaker 1: not for people just throwing their hands in the air
Speaker 1: and saying you don't have I didn't say that, but
Speaker 1: you've got to protect him. But you've got to come
Speaker 1: up with it. Okay, it's protection the only thing then,
Speaker 1: well it would be a start. Are all quarterbacks protected
Speaker 1: in this league? All of them? How many quarterbacks got
Speaker 1: sacked six times? Are all quarterbacks? Asked you that? How
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks got sacked six times and got hit four
Speaker 1: more times times? That means ten? And how many times
Speaker 1: did he have to run out of the pocket to
Speaker 1: save from a sack. The thing about it is, I'm
Speaker 1: asking you this question. Not all quarterbacks are protected every
Speaker 1: He has got to make some play. I understand that,
Speaker 1: and he he didn't make play that he didn't make plays.
Speaker 1: Is that why he got sacks six times? He went
Speaker 1: into a couple of sacks, let's be really honest. And
Speaker 1: they also had a sack where they didn't bump all
Speaker 1: the way outside. The head coach told you that in
Speaker 1: the walk off. If you listen, that's what he did.
Speaker 1: Do listen, but I do watch as he told you
Speaker 1: though that they the protection problems were a little bit
Speaker 1: on the quarterback too. You're putting it all on the
Speaker 1: offensive line. It was not very good. Okay, give me
Speaker 1: a solution to how to make him a better quarterback then,
Speaker 1: other than protecting him. Well, that that would be a start. Okay, Right,
Speaker 1: how's he going to throw the ball? Beck? What at
Speaker 1: six sacks a game? Time? Sixteen? Go do the math?
Speaker 1: How did you make him throw the ball? Sacks? Time? Six? Time?
Speaker 1: Do you make him throw the ball some sacks a season?
Speaker 1: They're not going to give up six sacks every game?
Speaker 1: How do you make him throw the ball better? Don't
Speaker 1: give me the well bit? What do you mean? Well,
Speaker 1: you got to protect him. There's a little bit of
Speaker 1: both there. I mean he's got it when there is
Speaker 1: I mean he missed, stays in the game, there's there's
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of both there. So why did
Speaker 1: all these other quarterbacks struggle last week? I didn't want
Speaker 1: good one in the quarterback I mean good ones. Huh,
Speaker 1: good ones. We're responsible for this game. I understand his team,
Speaker 1: but if you can't protect your quarterback, olask Eli mann
Speaker 1: you protect Eli Manning. No, they couldn't protect him, so
Speaker 1: they rolled him out, all right, he just let him
Speaker 1: roll out every time he just gets sacked. Do you
Speaker 1: think my idea of of no huddle and I like that,
Speaker 1: that's that's a better answer to me than anything that
Speaker 1: we're talking about right now. Anything anything to get him
Speaker 1: in the flow of it, him in a rhythm. Yeah, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: I'm all for that. And if that keeps him out
Speaker 1: of third and twenty six, I'm for it too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and because one of the things that bothered me
Speaker 1: about the game when they get the ball back with
Speaker 1: him inta fifty one left and then they can't even
Speaker 1: get a first down and they complete a pass basically
Speaker 1: you know, well they get they get the holding pillion
Speaker 1: pile Collins that kicks them back in the thing. And
Speaker 1: so what I'm wondering, and we haven't seen enough evidence
Speaker 1: in a two minute drill, okay, in a game situation
Speaker 1: in the preseason, but I didn't play after the game
Speaker 1: two to see what they really got as far as
Speaker 1: just a little short passing game to get gone even
Speaker 1: in a two minute drill much less, you know, And
Speaker 1: wonder if they trust him. I wonder if they trust
Speaker 1: him to play in a two minute game? Um, is
Speaker 1: that way better? Because easier. He's their guy. No, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, do you do you worry?
Speaker 1: Do you? I'm just throwing it out there because I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm not I'm not the Bob Seeger song.
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for I'm not working on mysteries without
Speaker 1: any clues, like, for instance, for instance, in that two
Speaker 1: minute drill, and I haven't gone back close enough, and
Speaker 1: I need to go back and really look at what
Speaker 1: they were, what routes they were running, and so forth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for instance, you see an Aaron Rodgers again the Cowboys
Speaker 1: last year. He had one time out left, he had
Speaker 1: a minute fifteen left whatever, and he did not use
Speaker 1: the sidelines going down the field. He used the middle
Speaker 1: of the field. He's got the time out in his pocket,
Speaker 1: he got and the Cowboys had a time out in
Speaker 1: their pocket. Right, Okay, so let's use the middle of
Speaker 1: the field. Okay, Right, and you're giving you're taking what
Speaker 1: the defense has given you. There's gonna be something available
Speaker 1: there and matriculate your way down the field, right, And
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. And so I'm sitting there going, okay,
Speaker 1: so where is this team as far as their two
Speaker 1: minute offense, and sure, maybe that is a way to
Speaker 1: get to get him in a rhythm and get him going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've always thought he's best when he's on the move
Speaker 1: in some fashion and a lot more so design stuff
Speaker 1: than scrambling for his life and throwing off his back foot. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe some of that is read option and some of
Speaker 1: that is that boots and the waggles and that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. Carolina gotta get Caroline some credit for shutting
Speaker 1: some of that stuff down. Yeah, but I think him
Speaker 1: on the move a little bit more can help him,
Speaker 1: don't you think teams last year's shut down those boots
Speaker 1: and waggles, they started anticipating. They killed him. Beasley. They
Speaker 1: killed Beasley. That's what happened to that team. They took
Speaker 1: him away. They took him away. But you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: They've got to figure out other ways to do this.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find ways, you know, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to find ways. I'm trying to find ways to help
Speaker 1: him protection. I'm trying to find ways so we can
Speaker 1: complete passes. I'm trying to find ways to let him
Speaker 1: see the field better. You know, I'm trying to help
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, and I'm trying to help this rookie left
Speaker 1: guard in the backup center. You know, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: help these guys. I'm in agreement with you that just
Speaker 1: using him in dropbacks and having him sit back there
Speaker 1: in the pocket, that's not not at the curtain stay
Speaker 1: of the offensive day. I don't disagree with making I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that there needs to be a different line
Speaker 1: of thinking. How do we how do you get him
Speaker 1: going in games? If the protection is not going to
Speaker 1: be great? What what's the next step? What is what?
Speaker 1: You know? You just you can't throw the ball down
Speaker 1: the field. Now you have to Michael out needs to
Speaker 1: be on the field more than he was subscribing to
Speaker 1: his theory. There you go rookie and he can play.
Speaker 1: Get him out there. Who need to be on the
Speaker 1: field as far as the receivers go, I said, it
Speaker 1: needs to be on the fields basically, and then give
Speaker 1: me somebody else. They'll think Thompson, they'll prove Thompson out there.
Speaker 1: But you know, actually, let's see if you could get
Speaker 1: Austin going. Okay, Austin, so we've got four receivers right there,
Speaker 1: and then you get zeke In the backfield. So there's
Speaker 1: your ten personnel. Let's go Hall of Fame tight end.
Speaker 1: Tell me this morning that go ahead and use some
Speaker 1: ten personnel because you think did he not trust to
Speaker 1: swim in and l No, I think it's more okay, Well,
Speaker 1: they had success the other one. I got to figure
Speaker 1: out something somebody to get it going. They had success
Speaker 1: when they started spreading everybody out in the second half.
Speaker 1: Gallup got twenty nine snaps in the game play. I
Speaker 1: thought he played more as the game went on. I
Speaker 1: said last week started because I think he's Yeah, Tavon's
Speaker 1: got speed and he's explosive, but Gallup has a has
Speaker 1: a gear to him. He's just young. He's just young.
Speaker 1: And I'm with Mickey. There did a lot more. Did
Speaker 1: they use two running backs like not a fullback? They did?
Speaker 1: They did a couple times. Yeah, And and the fullback
Speaker 1: they got is not a glass eater, and that's a problem,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? With a glass eater, a
Speaker 1: guy it's just gonna go in there and dig guys
Speaker 1: out and be And he's a good special teams player,
Speaker 1: but they missed. If you're gonna play with that guy,
Speaker 1: play with somebody that's gonna go in there and explode
Speaker 1: on people. I don't need you go in there and
Speaker 1: get in the way of the back and be indecision,
Speaker 1: you know, indecisive and what you're doing. Go in there
Speaker 1: and get somebody, dig somebody out. You know. That's he's
Speaker 1: not Keith Smith. I don't know. I mean, I never
Speaker 1: had a different type of fullback Smith. I know Keith
Speaker 1: Smith would go in there and and he would try
Speaker 1: and concuss somebody. You know. That's and I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not chilling for Keith Smith. I think old while he's
Speaker 1: a better special teams player than him, if you got
Speaker 1: him to for that, okay, great. And he's probably a
Speaker 1: better single back runner than Keith Smith, okay if he
Speaker 1: probably catches yeah, okay, that's one reason they went light
Speaker 1: at running back because he can do some of this
Speaker 1: single background. But he's not He's not that type of
Speaker 1: bro dick guys out fullback that you they had last year.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm hey, you better figure some things out here.
Speaker 1: You just don't just don't bang your head against the
Speaker 1: wall twelve personnel thirteen personnel and think you're gonna be
Speaker 1: good enough doing that. It's not it's not the plan.
Speaker 1: That's not a good plan. It's not a good plan
Speaker 1: for the quarterback, you know. I mean, it's not a
Speaker 1: good plan for the rhyme some stat again, once you
Speaker 1: know it, depending on who you believe that group you're
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, I'm not that true, God Almighty, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they're the Bible. Okay, I'm just mad at
Speaker 1: I'm mad. I'm not mad at you, both of you.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you. Mickey's rubbed off. I'd like
Speaker 1: to invite all three of you to buy Thursday Boarding.
Speaker 1: By we go. There's no hope for me. Bill, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can save Mickey. I'm I'm down to get Yeah,
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Speaker 1: DeMarcus ware be the next guest shows up there too,
Speaker 1: I've seen him there. Fifty Fancy with the Stars a
Speaker 1: fifty three percent of the time bad groups. Sorry, Rob,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean you're fine, go ahead fifty three percent
Speaker 1: of the the time. They played extra man in the box
Speaker 1: Carolina fifty three percent of the time, and they sort
Speaker 1: of invited it. They did, they did, And that's where
Speaker 1: that's where I'm thinking. That reminds me of the old
Speaker 1: damit days. Yeah, and had more players who could win
Speaker 1: their one on one battle. And Zeke is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, bring it on, bring it on until until
Speaker 1: it's fifteen carries for sixty five yards. That's not He's
Speaker 1: going to look up in week four and go Okay,
Speaker 1: they're now playing eighty percent in the box. You know, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm that to me. That's the strategy you're gonna have.
Speaker 1: Smell just told you what they're gonna down there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Landing College is gonna You're gonna see number twenty one
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Speaker 1: both sides. Oh so we are going to have a
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Speaker 1: lot of times when you look at the All twenty two,
Speaker 1: you're not sure what the well, you don't know what
Speaker 1: the assignments are players. So that's fair gold too fair
Speaker 1: to say who is at fault on a play. That's fair.
Speaker 1: You remember on the first drive for Carolina, cam Newton's
Speaker 1: twenty eight yard run, the long run, Sean Lee, Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I thought watching the TV copy, But then
Speaker 1: if you look at it, they didn't. Randy Gregory. Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory went way and splashed in McCaffrey. It was his
Speaker 1: own read okay made me scrape line, So I didn't
Speaker 1: know if the assignment would have been for Gregory. Is
Speaker 1: Gregory's supposed to stay home on that usually uns or
Speaker 1: but usually you can get on no. Yeah, But the
Speaker 1: fact that Lee didn't scrape and he got caught up,
Speaker 1: and he got caught up, and I'm thinking, okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: So now McCaffrey had gotten the handoff, always gonna be
Speaker 1: a two yard loss. There's no doubt Gregory was all
Speaker 1: over it. Yeah, but as it was, then usually you
Speaker 1: don't want to go against Sean Lee when it comes
Speaker 1: to mental things, because he's one thing. He got caught
Speaker 1: up in the trash a little bit, and so he
Speaker 1: was late getting over I think, And so the blame
Speaker 1: went on Lee because he was the one dive into Okay,
Speaker 1: like we talked about the Ezekiel, it looks terrible, It
Speaker 1: looked terribly like why would you why? How can you
Speaker 1: make that block? And in reality, no, he's not supposed
Speaker 1: to make that block. So again you ask, Okay, he
Speaker 1: was on the right side when I accuse him not listening,
Speaker 1: But when the when the when he bumps? You bumped
Speaker 1: the thing all the way outside? Now that is who's
Speaker 1: is that the rookie call? Is that the center call?
Speaker 1: Does the quarterback have to check the protection? You know? Now,
Speaker 1: let's let's be honest here. This is now going to
Speaker 1: be a little bit on DAK, not a little bit
Speaker 1: a lot on DAK. Without Travis Frederick there, He's gonna
Speaker 1: have to be really sure that that Joe Looney and
Speaker 1: those guys up front know exactly what's going on. So
Speaker 1: just more on his plate, more on his plate, all right.
Speaker 1: The concern that you would have against the Giants this week,
Speaker 1: what's number one concern? Number one concern? I think the
Speaker 1: receivers getting open. I mean, that's the back to the whole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's sitting in the pograph for three and a half second.
Speaker 1: I think that you can't. I think that John told
Speaker 1: John Smoke, who did a great job at telling you
Speaker 1: without Olivier Vernon, this is not a dynamic pass rushing team. Great,
Speaker 1: great analogy. Right there, A guy lives in the building.
Speaker 1: You know, you can see that all twenty two. You
Speaker 1: can see that. So I think that it's gonna be
Speaker 1: on the Cowboy receivers if we want to play, if
Speaker 1: you want to play eleven personnel or you know, or
Speaker 1: ten personnel, it's gonna be on these guys. Can you
Speaker 1: win on the outside against Eli Apple? You know, can
Speaker 1: you win on the outside against Genois Jenkins because they're
Speaker 1: gonna try and commit to stop in Ezekiel with Landing
Speaker 1: Collins and Curtis Riley the safeties. So get ready. You
Speaker 1: know he said its single high stuff. How many routes
Speaker 1: can you run against single high stuff and get open
Speaker 1: to give Dak Prescott a chance to hit you? Well,
Speaker 1: you just need to On Jenkins, you need to double
Speaker 1: move him because he's gonna jump routes anyhow they will jump.
Speaker 1: And the interception he did get, the guy was covered,
Speaker 1: but the ball was underthrown absolutely, and it was it
Speaker 1: was an easy pick for him. What scared me was
Speaker 1: is how well Apple played? Because that was a good question. No,
Speaker 1: that was a good question because it was a come
Speaker 1: to Jesus meetings you know about about him and then
Speaker 1: some of his his his attitude, clean slate, he was.
Speaker 1: They were talking bust up there last year, two years ago,
Speaker 1: the job. Last week, I've flipped around and say, despite
Speaker 1: what we talked about the offensive line, they do have
Speaker 1: so many weapons offensively. I mean, we know ail they're tied.
Speaker 1: End is basically a watchie player. Shepherd's a guy that
Speaker 1: they move around. Um, can they cover up? Because how
Speaker 1: many explosive plays can they cut down on in this
Speaker 1: game and get you know, because it takes one play
Speaker 1: to either score like Barkley or get you in deep
Speaker 1: in the red zone or deep in Cowboys territory And
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now the way the Cowboys the
Speaker 1: struggle scoring points, it might a couple of those plays
Speaker 1: might make the difference for the Giants. You got a
Speaker 1: flincher at quarterback, though, you got a flincher, you know,
Speaker 1: and you get and you kind of knock him around
Speaker 1: a little, Yeah, for sure, knocked him around. That level
Speaker 1: comes down and that ball goes out and it's not
Speaker 1: always where it needs to be. Yeah, So that's why
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham had ten yards a catch because he's you
Speaker 1: get the ball. Yeah. They've always been like that one
Speaker 1: and you never know. But you know, looking at Jacksonville, now,
Speaker 1: maybe it's me. I didn't recognize any of their wide
Speaker 1: receivers Jacksonville. Yeah, can you name them? D Westbrook, Yeah,
Speaker 1: as one of the west and he was he was
Speaker 1: like I used to lead, but he got Marquis her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they're starting k Cole Cole, right, and then Jenkins
Speaker 1: and Moncrieff and Moncrief and yeah they got Moncrief from
Speaker 1: the Colts on Sante Moncrief, you know, and then and
Speaker 1: then they were they were strictly in DD Westbrook, who
Speaker 1: might have been the best one. May be so their
Speaker 1: wide receiver cord compared to the Cowboys. Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying they they got to figure out. You know, you're right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: it's a good point and you have to which is
Speaker 1: why I thought that they might be interested in deaths
Speaker 1: because of what the little Yeah it's Coughlin though, that's right,
Speaker 1: I said, no, no, no, or maybe Herns. Yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 1: they probably like to have him back. Yeah, okay, it
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