WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Can Dak Get Back on Track? 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:04.880 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:16.320 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.119 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:32.920 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:37.199 and Bill Jones. Hey, good Thursday morning to you, and 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:41.600 this is Talking Cowboys as we are getting closer and 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.879 closer to that home opener on Sunday night against the 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.160 New York Football Giants, and we got a big show 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.680 lined up for you for the next hours. We'll be 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:53.840 joined by John Schmelkov Giants dot Com and go behind 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.720 enemy lines and get the lowdown on what these Giants 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:01.520 feature this year. A battle of two oh and one teams. 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.640 Something's got to give on Sunday night, right, gentlemen, absolutely, 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.400 because you don't want to be oh and two. That's 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.560 exactly right. What's the percentage if you finish oh or 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:13.559 if you start the season oh and two of making 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.240 the playoffs? Well, let me tell you I got that 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.240 Spags go saw it in the New York Daily News. 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.120 Only twenty eight of two hundred and thirty one teams 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.400 that have started oh and two have made the playoffs 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.600 twenty eight of two hundred and thirty one. Yes, you 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.959 have the percentage on that. I didn't do that. I 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:33.600 got it, I got it. I want to do it. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:39.280 Twenty eight divided by two thirty one. What do you got? 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.040 Twelve percent? Twelve point one percent. So this is a 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.360 must win game. Huh. Basically both teams as online as 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.760 Brian would say, they're all must win, especially this one. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.920 You guys are gonna come around on my thinking on that. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.400 But did I not say that on the Happy Hour show? 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.480 After I put you in a headlock? You weren't on 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.720 the air. What are you talking off? Off the air? 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.680 I put you in ahead? But you know why. But 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.880 you know why it's a must win because if you 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.480 start oh and two, it's pretty good signal that you're 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:13.919 not very good. Right. It's not that you can't recover 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.919 from you're just not good enough. New coaches were owing seven. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.400 That means their teams weren't very good. Yeah. Yeah, that's 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.560 why they new coaches because the team they inherited was 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.119 bad enough to get the other guy fired. Yeah, there 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.840 you go. It's fair. I just it's a fair point. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.080 I just you know, it's a division game too. You 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.280 got to think about that. You know, a division game. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.600 You lose a division game at home, that's like losing two, 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.720 especially against the team that may be considered number four 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.840 out of four on paper for the season. Three and 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.959 I had him as a possible flip two with Dallas. Yeah, 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.240 I had a week. Remember we did this whole thing. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.000 We went through all the different scenarios and we said, oh, 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:56.639 well we're not. We had Washington, that's right, we had 0:02:56.639 --> 0:03:00.520 Washington's last we had that's right. Giants toe, Yeah, Giants 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.079 Dallas flip And I think I said that flip two 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.839 three on Dallas and the Giants here. Yeah. You can't. 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.760 You can't go too to start this thing, You really can't. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.080 I think I had so many questions to after what 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.639 the O one got you, you know, you better figure 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.880 some things out. And for some of us who picked 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.280 the Cowboys to win the division, that would be the 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.240 two gentlemen on this side side of the table, it 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.959 becomes more much more of a must win situation. Twelve 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.360 percent chance. You're how many go in there and explain 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.680 it to them. Maybe you should give the pregame speech, Mack. Yeah. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.040 While the other side of the table, Bayan and Rob 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.440 Vick pick Philly by the way, just to review our 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.600 picks from last week. Ye all right, what's on your mind? 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:44.360 Brian brought us as we approach another practice day here 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.800 at the Star getting set for this one. You know what, 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.320 I think that you have to figure out. You go back, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.040 you look at the tape. You figured out what you 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.160 were good at. You know there were some things they 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:54.920 were good at. You have to look at the things 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.200 that you were poor at. You have to say, Okay, 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:58.840 what are the matchups that we can look at with 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.840 the Giants? Is there things we can take advantage of. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.840 I don't think the Giants defensively without Olivier Vernon, and 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.760 it doesn't look like he's gonna play. And I guaranteed Minael, Yeah, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.280 we asked John. John's gonna say he's probably not gonna play. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.119 But I will say though that the Giants do have 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.040 a better secondary than Carolina. But you're gonna have to 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.520 figure out a ways if the Cowboy receivers are able 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.000 to get open against Carolina, this will be a very 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.039 good test for them to see if they can get 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.720 open against a second I think, but I don't think 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.279 the Giants had the pass rush that Carolina does, I 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.640 don't think they had that without, especially without Olivier Vernon. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:33.680 That's in my mind right now. How do you take 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.600 advantage of this some of the things you can do 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:39.320 well in this game? Focus on those, get those plays 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.360 that you can hang your hat on, and then try 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:42.920 and stay ahead of the chains. That's going to be 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.360 really the most important thing, because this offense can't function 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.560 when it's behind the chains. They need to run the 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.719 ball better and more consistently. I mean, the running game 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.960 didn't get going until what this second half way through 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.320 the third Quarter's gonna be tough with Landon Collins sitting 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.960 down there, and that's fine, that's fine, but you got 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.560 to figure out a way to get Zeke going and 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:07.200 get him going early, and do a better job blocking 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.560 and if they want to stuff the line of scrimmaged 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.840 and you better be able to protect the quarterback so 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.520 you can take advantages of some one on one situations. 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.480 I think defensively, if you look at the matchups for Dallas, 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.400 they have an opportunity to do what they did a 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.279 little bit of or quite a bit of, and let's 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.160 get pressure from Carolina. They can do that again this week. 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:30.720 The Giants have weapons offensively, but they still even remaking 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.200 their line. Now, they played a really good defense last week, 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.800 maybe the best in the league, but very fast defense. Yeah, 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.920 but they struggle to protect Elie and I know he 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.640 gets the ball out quick. But you have weapons out there, 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.120 Odell say Quon, but if you can't protect the quarterback, 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.120 that's gonna cost you over sixty minutes. And I think 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.240 that's an opportunity. Now there's a flip side of that. 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.120 They've got to tackle a hell of a lot better 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.479 than they did last week. Yeah, because Barkley showed even 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.880 though he really made one big play in the game 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.120 that kept New York in the game. I would hope 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.039 that Shaun Lee comes out today and says, if we 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.880 can stop Barkley, we can we can beat the Giants, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.200 because it really on the flip side. You look at 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.960 Manning and he sure he's might, he's won a couple 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.560 of Super Bowls and all that, but you blitz him, 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.720 you get his eye level down, you put pressure on him. 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.560 He will throw the ball up, he will miss throws 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.000 because of pressure. But you've got to get to him. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.160 You can't sit there and you got to take advantage 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.919 of Flowers, and even Nate Solder wasn't very good. And 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.719 Rob's right, Jacksonville's got a good, speedy defense. But the 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:34.280 Cowboys are capable of putting pressure on this giant, on 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.440 this giant offensive line, which will affect the way the 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.800 quarterback play. The line is almost exactly totally different than 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:41.680 it was last year. Flowers is kind of the main 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.560 holdover right tack. He's the worst one. He gave up 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.800 seven pressures. I had seven pressures against him last week 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.760 in a sack. Tried to trip the first play of 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.600 the game. Looky, they didn't get a safety. They're in 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.720 their own end zone and a half. Yeah, he trips 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.919 the guy. I mean he's totally out of body position, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.320 balances all. That's terrible and he tries to up the 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:04.640 guy and it's an easy call. Seven pressures. Yes, according 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.600 to your favorite website. I think that's being kind based 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:13.119 on your all twenty two assessment. Yes, they watching the game. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.320 I didn't need all twenty two on. All I need 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.320 is the box. They he was terrible, they got problems. 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.280 Solder was problem. Remember they're starting a rookie too, a guard. Yeah, 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.920 will Nandez he's a good one, but but he gave 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.120 up a sack. Yeah, so quitness gets him. You know, 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.840 cowboys with that undertackle, the ability to play with some 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.640 quickness inside. That'll be a problem for those guys. Because 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:39.000 there's a reason why, you know, Barkley had seventeen carries 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.600 for what thirty seven thirty seven yards and then one 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.320 for sixty eight. And there was also a reason why 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.760 Odell Beckham Junior caught eleven passes but he averaged ten 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.160 yards a catch. Didn't have time to get him down 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.520 the field what they started doing all the underneath stuff. Yeah, 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.840 they missed him one time though, and that's because Manning 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.520 got pressure. I mean he yeah, it was it was like, 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.240 oh geez, and you know that's what she's got to fear. 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.240 I think that when the matchups I wrote about today 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.280 was a woozyer and you can even throw Byron Jones 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.040 in this. I think you're gonna have to play with 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.320 Odell beck and play physical on the line with him. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.400 He looks like he's okay as far as the movement, 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.160 the quickness and all that stuff, but you have to 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.600 beat him up at the line of scrimmage. You cannot 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.320 allow him to get in routes. I mean because if 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.400 you beat him up, it affects the way that Manning 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.480 throws the ball. Because Manning doesn't have enough time to 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.959 sit there and wait for him to separate. He's got 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.040 to throw the ball, and he did that. They one 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.160 time they brought they brought safety blitz, but they called 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.400 zero coverage with no safety in the middle of the field. 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.959 They brought a blitz down there and Beckham just ran 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.520 an arrow route and Manning didn't have enough time, and 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.080 he tried. He just tried to throw it in his direction. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.000 He was a good twelve yards off. So you can 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.080 affect the way that you can affect the quarterback, which 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.520 affects the receiver. But you got to affect the receiver 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.040 by being physical with him because if you give him 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:00.920 free access in route, he will kill you. I got 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.880 a new, a new stat dear buddies over there at 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.839 that whatever focus thing need to kill up. Even the 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.800 dame he doesn't know it. I don't pro football focus. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.200 I don't blame him. One of their one of their 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:22.560 field goal drives, there was two pis on Odell Beckham Junior. Yes, 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.959 for forty yards. They only drove like sixty two forty 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.920 of the yards were two one on Barry Church and 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.360 one on Ramsey, So I think they need to put 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:35.160 him the wide receiver stat thing. It's like PI, if 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.760 I earned that many yards on a on a pass interference, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.679 then I should get credit for that because on both 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.600 of them it was gonna be a big place. Especially 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.920 I don't know how they isolated him on Barry Church, 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:52.400 which is totally unfair, but he had to grab on otherwise. 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.200 You gamble, you gamble, you're gonna get somebody home before 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.920 the ball gets off. That's your that's your gamble. That's 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.439 that one. Okay, we're just gonna we're gonna sell out 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.959 on this one particular play. And it's like when Rod 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.400 Marinelli brings linebackers or safeties or slot blitz and he drops, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.880 you know, Crawford and coverage and Crawford's trying to run 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.240 with a running back or something. That's just never a 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.840 good never a good look. You know about what you're 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.719 talking about with an out anyone whether it's us or 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:24.200 an outside company or whatever that are grading coaches film 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.360 when you don't know what the assignment is hard. With 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.480 the players, it's are difficult to put a grade. On 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.120 what that player. There used to be a time where 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:33.680 they used to not use They used to do it 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.640 off TV copy. Oh wow, so well, and they made 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.920 a lot of money doing it. And I questioned the 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.600 guy one time, I did an interview with him, and 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.880 I'm like, how do you evaluate players off TV copy? 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.600 And it goes to the point of what Mickey saying. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:48.960 If you're doing offensive defensive lineman, I'm okay with you 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.199 doing that all day because I think you can kind 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.280 of get something out at a feel for Yeah. But 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.719 but other than that, I mean, I go back. When 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.080 I go back and I do, like say the Scouts 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.440 Scouts Scott Notebook. After a game, I'm watching the TV games, 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.439 I'm trying to kind of pick some things that it 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.480 caught my eyes. You can see on and then, but 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.839 you don't try and get into any exces and those things, 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.400 because you know, I have the opportunity to come back. Yeah, 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:12.839 I come back and watch the All twenty two. You 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:14.800 at least have a little bit better idea. But you're 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.880 right when you don't know the assignment, that's that's where 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:19.200 you have to that's where you have to go with it. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.959 I got a question on those lines for you after this. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.400 But right now, let's check in with someone who has 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.559 been covering the New York Giants, not as long as 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.360 Mickey is covering. Very good John, don't let them do 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:35.480 that too yet. John Schmell Giants dot Com, welcome to talking. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.880 Hey boys, what's going on? Guys? Then it's funny based 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:40.280 on what you guys were just saying, I heard the 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:44.040 telling your conversation. To Brian's point, I was trying to 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.560 figure out on the play with the Giants and Jaguars 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.640 last week on being complete class Odell Beckham in the 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.959 end zone who messed up the blitz pickoff? And I 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:54.800 had three different ideas of who it could have been. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.160 Until I talked to the head coach, it was neither 0:11:58.240 --> 0:11:59.760 one of the three guys that I thought messed up 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.280 at actually picked up. So you're right, until you talk 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.360 to the coaches, you really don't know what's going on 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.840 with a lot of this stuff, all right, So give 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.440 us an overview first of this Giants team coming into 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:15.000 at and T Stadium on Sunday. Well, disappointing first week loss, 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.600 but it was against a very good team, and I 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.880 think the Giants and Cowboys. I was just talking to 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.439 one of my colleagues over here in very similar situations. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.920 Did the first week loss happen because there are real 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:30.280 serious long term problems for the Giants on the offensive line. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.319 Or is it just the fact that they were playing 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.400 a really, really good defensive front in the Jaguars and 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.240 it's Week one. Maybe they just happen to have a 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.760 particular bad week against a good team. So if there's 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.120 one big topic of conversation in New York this week, 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.840 it's the Giants offensive line. I think they were generally 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.040 happy with the way the defense played. Saquon Barkley had 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.160 the big run, So that's really where the focus is 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.280 right now. Sounds familiar, John, because that's kind of what 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.640 we've been looking at as the offensive line. Here is 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.960 an ability to protect Dak and to keep him clean 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.120 and not get behind the change. Why do you say that, Mickey, 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.000 Because I read John's recap of the game, the Giants game, 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.480 and I thought that you could you could just change 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.760 Giants to Cowboys, that it felt like this not the 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.760 same thing with the Cowboys. So from an injury standpoint, 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.439 John Olivier Verdon looks like he hasn't been practice. Does 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.840 he have hope to get back. You think, yeah, Look, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.680 he was actually outside with the team yesterday on the 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.920 side with the trainers, which is something he was not 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.920 able to do next week, so he has kind of 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.200 taken that next mini step. But look, this is a 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:34.960 high ankle sprain, and this is a guy who last 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.760 year tried to play on an injury like that and 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.040 he was basically a shell of himself the whole year. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.439 So my guess is that they're probably going to try 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.160 to be a little bit more cautious get him back 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.480 at h so when he does get back, he can 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.439 be that dynamic pass rusher that he has the ability 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.120 to be. I'm sure Vernon will try to convince them 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.439 to let him play, but if we don't see him 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.600 practice at least in a limited basis, either today or tomorrow, 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.599 I think the chances are slim and that kind of 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.440 hurts their I mean needless to say, right their overall 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.400 pass rush without him out there, Oh it kills him, 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.960 they don't. He is by far their most dynamic pass rusher. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.719 Connor Ballin's a veteran, he knows what he's doing. He's 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.959 a technique guy. He's good, got a little inside spin move, 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.000 that strong. Lorenzo Carter is a great athlete, but he 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.680 really hasn't, you know, figured out how to rush the 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.160 passer on the NFL level quite yet. So Yeah, without Vernon, 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:26.600 they don't have that guy that you have to worry 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.760 about winning one on one. Hey, Johnny mentioned the offensive line, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.800 and it's a really largely remade group from last season. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.160 What's the general feeling about it after game one? And 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.280 is the feeling that Quon can kind of cover up 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.920 some of those issues or potential issues that they have 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.840 up front? It's concerned, um, And you're right, it's a 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.920 completely different group from last year. Now one player is 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.400 in the same position they were playing in last year, 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.720 and four players are completely new. John how Appeal, I 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.320 think played in a couple of games into last year, 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.400 but he's pretty much a new player as well. And 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.120 Eric Flowers had the most was at right tackle. He 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.800 got beat inside a few times, but at the same time, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.800 there were issues all along the line. Will Hernandez, their 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.480 second round pick, got beat a couple of times, Made Solar, 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.720 the big free agent pickup, got beat a couple of times. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.120 Patrick omame their right guarden, and how Appeal, their center 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.720 had their issues too, So overall it was just a 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.520 poor game for them. If they would have protected a 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.000 little bit more that Eli Manning would have had the 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.200 opportunity to make a few more plays down the field, 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.480 the Giants probably would have won the football game. As 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.200 for Barkley, his numbers got skewed a lot by that 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.840 one big run for sixty eight yards. Other than that, 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.360 I think yeah, only average around two two point two 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.040 yards per carry. And I was actually listening to one 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:38.800 of your Guys shows the other day and Brian made 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.120 the comparison that Barkley kind of runs like Barry Sanders, 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.880 and I think that's absolutely correct. And that's kind of 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.760 the comparison I made coming out of the draft, where 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:51.440 he'll go one yard negative two, negative three one and 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.960 then boom fifty or boom twenty. So right now he's 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.040 a boom or bus guy. He doesn't like luring his 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.880 pads to get that dirty two three yard run off 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:01.680 the middle. He's going to try to bounce and make 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.920 a big play, and I think that's right now what 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.640 he is. Well, John Tabe, I feel good when you're 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:11.800 saying I'm actually right about a guy. Be careful with that. No, 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.160 you're the best when you do that. But John, Hey, 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:16.920 I want to ask you too about the comments that 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.680 Landing Collins makes and is this more of a challenge. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.239 Was Landing Collins challenging really through the media his teammates 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.120 or is this something that you're kind of as you 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.920 walk through the locker room there that the giants. Is 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.440 this something the coaching staff is or other players repeating 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:38.040 what Landing Collins is saying about if you stop Ezekiel Eli, 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.520 you have a better chance of winning the game. I mean, look, 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.800 I don't think it's any surprise that the scouting report 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.400 on the Dallas Cowboys you stop Ezekiel Eli, you turn 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.120 them into a passing team. You got a good chance 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.880 of winning, right. I don't think Landon Collins was trying 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.560 to make any headlines. But do I think that's what 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.240 the coaching staff is telling the players? Absolutely? And I 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.520 think I went back. I think Dak Prescott has thrown 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.400 for two hundred and fifty yards once since the last 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.239 twelve starts or thirteen starts something like that. Sure, so 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.680 I think that's the game plan. You stop the run, 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:10.920 You try to put Dallas in third and long where 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.560 you know that's not where they're at their best and 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.440 you go from there. So yeah, I mean I think 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.240 that's what the defensive game plan has no doubt about it. Well, John, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.160 how is okay the team? This team has a great history. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.400 You're playing three four defense, three four front. How are 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.960 they adapting now? For so many years playing the four 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.040 to three now they're back in that three four front. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.600 The type of personnel? Did they feel better about the 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.320 guys that they got to play the three four defense? 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.200 It all starts really with Harrison inside, and then we've 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.119 talked about Collins, But overall, how do they feel like 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.880 the scheme has looked so far? You know, it's funny 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:45.760 that was a huge storyline in the off season, and 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.840 I had a bunch of conversations with defensive coordinator James 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.280 Betcher about it. And this is not your traditional nineteen 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.280 eighties two gapping three four scheme, right. Yeah. He likes 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.399 the one gap out of the three four, which is 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.719 very uncommon. He wants his guys to use their quickness 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.600 and athleticism to get up the field and penetrate. They're 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.600 not just trying to occupy blockers. So for that reason, 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:13.919 I think that transition's been pretty smooth. Their interior defensive 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.439 linemen are very, very good. They have three guys that 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.359 are starting in their three four base defense that played 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.000 the one technique in college from time to time. Dalvin 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.920 Thomlinson in Alabama. Right they drafted DJ Hill this year. 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:27.520 He's more of a three, but he did play the 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.919 one in college. He stops to run well, and then you, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.959 I think is the best run stopping defensive lineman in 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.520 the league in Snacks Harrison. So you do not want 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.080 to try to run up the middle against these guys. 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:38.520 It's not going to work. Where they struggle in the 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.520 week one was on the edge when Leonard Fournette was 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.960 healthy in the first half. Once you went out of 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.840 the game, the Jaguars are trouble moving the ball with 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.200 the run game. But if you're going to have success, 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.320 I think you better attack the edge. Ah, John, you 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.000 just stole my next question because I noticed that when 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.639 Fournette was in there, they were able to get to 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.680 the edge in that running game. Jacksonville was, but when 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.560 he went out, they shut down yelled in because that 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.040 seemed like they just wanted yelled in going up the middle, 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:12.119 which I mean that seems counterproductive, especially how big and strong. 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.760 Those front three guys are right up the middle. Yeah, absolutely, Look, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:18.880 you want to make these guys move. And I think 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:20.920 the other thing you look at too, if you're attacking 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:25.399 the Giant defense is their strength against the pass or 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.199 they're two outside corners Genors Jenks and Neil Apple. They 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.119 are legitimately good cover corners. And Jane Betche's gonna run 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.120 a lot of cover one. He's gonna run a lot 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.760 of single high cover three. And those guys are going 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.600