1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas. 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: And this time I'm not alone. Well, I know sometimes 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Lauren Zima is here with me, but I'm not alone 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: today because joining me again for his second episode is 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: former Bachelor times too. Brad Womack. How you doing, Bud? 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: Doing great? And thank you for having me. Man. We 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: always good to see you. 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: I welcomed you into my home because a You're a 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: good friend, You're a good man. We have kept in 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: touch over the years, which I am so grateful for, 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: and you live here in Austin. Kind of I think, 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: honestly that's a weird one is that I don't know 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: the answer to that I got and maybe you don't 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: know the answer to that either. We're going to get 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: to that in a little bit. But you're nice enough 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: to drive across town and join me here at the 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: house today. You were the Bachelor twice, the only person 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: in the history of the show two decades that was 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: the Bachelor two times, and so we had to do 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: a double episode with you. 22 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: I appreciate that very much. I'm just glad to be 23 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: here with you man. I like hanging out with you. 24 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: And if you missed episode one with Brad, go back 25 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: and listen to it. Holy cal there were some fireworks, 26 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: breaking news stories. Yeah. So it was two thousand and 27 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 1: seven when you were the Bachelor for the first time, 28 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: and obviously famously you had walked away. You didn't choose anybody, 29 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: but while you kind of got hammered a little bit 30 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: for it, at some point, like a year or so 31 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: down the road, there was an emotional shift in the 32 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: country towards Brad Womack. I felt it. Did you feel 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: it all of a sudden people forgave and loved you again? 34 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? But you know, I can very happily say that 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: I did feel that for whatever reason, and I'm grateful 36 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: for it. To anyone listening that is on the positive trajectory, 37 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: so to speak, thank you. I needed that. But yeah, 38 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 2: I did feel that, and it felt damn good. 39 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: I think, if I were to guess, being the psychiatrist 40 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: I am for the country, you stayed true to yourself. 41 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: You never wavered, You never gave in to say things 42 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: that would have made you popular or taken the heat 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: off at the time. You took it all. And I 44 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: think owning up to it was big, but also be 45 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: I think people realized after a few more seasons of 46 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: kind of fake proposals and breakups, they saw you and said, 47 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: maybe he was the most real we ever had. Oh well, 48 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: and I think there was a respect factor of I 49 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: do like this guy, and that was the most emotionally 50 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: intelligent thing to do. 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: Thank you, man. 52 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: There was this ground swell of support that brought you 53 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: back into the good graces of everybody. 54 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I did feel it was and it 55 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: was so welcome, man. I mean we discussed it first 56 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: episode that that was a really rough time after the 57 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: first season and so, and we discussed I care what 58 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: people think about me, and so, Yeah, it feels really 59 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: good to feel that. I guess the tides turned, so 60 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: to speak. 61 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: But there had to be a bit of a sour 62 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: taste with how you had left, not just not the show, 63 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: but production because that final day, if you if you 64 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: heard in the first episode it was contentious. Sure, it 65 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: was brutal. They really went after you and in a 66 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: not so nice way. Sure what made you want to 67 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: want to not just do the show but get back 68 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: in bed with them again? 69 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: Sure, you know, I think I don't judge anybody on 70 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: this earth for one or two interactions, right, I mean, 71 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: I just don't. And you know, you have to realize, 72 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: or I have to realize. You know, that show is 73 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: a machine. There's a lot of production value behind it. 74 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: There's a lot of money behind it, you know, and 75 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: I'm sure ratings for one season depend on budget for 76 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: this next. All of the interesting. So if I in 77 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: any way disrupted that, I can understand the anger. 78 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: But you didn't. I mean, your show is highly rated, 79 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: thank you, sir, But the only reason you were invited 80 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: back to the party is the first party has to 81 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: be a success. Trust me. 82 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: I love the honesty. 83 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: They don't do things out of the kindness of their heart. 84 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: No, they don't. I've learned that. But okay, so well 85 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: that's well said. But maybe it was the unknown. I 86 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: don't know. But bottom line is, I really don't. I mean, 87 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: I like to give people room to be who they are, 88 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: meaning we all react. I mean, you've seen me react 89 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: very angrily at times, and hopefully that's not, you know, 90 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: a soul telling sign of my character, you know. And 91 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: so anyway, but the reason I wanted to jump back in, 92 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. I 93 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: believe in the show. I do call me a hopeless romantic, 94 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: but I genuinely believe in that show, or I at 95 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: least believe that you can meet somebody no matter where 96 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: you're at, and she might be the one or he 97 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: might be the one. 98 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: And so it's twenty ten or three years later, yes, sir, 99 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: and we come back full circle and bring back Brad Walmack. 100 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: And this is a very popular choice by now. Off screen, 101 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: you and I are very good friends. We've hung out 102 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: several times. I think. I think it was after when 103 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: I was actually dating somebody from Austin, Texas. 104 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: When I didn't want to bring that up. 105 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: You bring it up. 106 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: We don't. 107 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: We don't have to say who it was. I came 108 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: to town and I called you, and I just was 109 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: going to go to dinner or whatever and see you 110 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: as I always did when I came into Austin and 111 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: you said, no, no, man, come and stay at my place. 112 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: Of course, man, you let us move into your place. 113 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: Sure for a whole year. And here's the best part. 114 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: You had this spectacular two or three bedroom condo and 115 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: you know it's amazing. So we get there and I 116 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: assume we're going to be staying with you. You left, 117 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: of course, you packed up, and You're like, I'm gonna 118 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: go stay with my brother Chad. And I'm like, dude, 119 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: you don't. I'm not kicking you out of your house. 120 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: But this is the kind of guy Brad is. He 121 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: leaves and gives me the keys to his condo for 122 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: the weekend. What you're just You're such a good guy. 123 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: It was unreal. And the other thing that really blew 124 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: me away, and I didn't finish the story in episode one. Yes, 125 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: you gave me a shirt and he gave me a 126 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: parting gift after the show. But there was another time 127 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: that I saw this guy and said, could this be real? 128 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: Is he really the nicest guy I've ever known? My 129 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: fortieth birthday remember that? Oh? 130 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course of course. 131 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: So my fortieth birthday, I came here with all my 132 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: family and friends to celebrate over on Lake Travis and 133 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: I rented a house and we know, we had the boats, 134 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: the jet skis were having a great time. We pull 135 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: up to the house and there's it's like, you know 136 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: this is it's actually kind of pre Airbnb. It's just 137 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: a rental shirt. So We're renting this house, and there's 138 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: somebody scurrying out of the house, and I'm like, son 139 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: of a bitch, like this thing's supposed to be empty, 140 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to impress my friends and family. I 141 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: want this to be awesome. And somebody is here and 142 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on? And I see this 143 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: person back, you know, coming out of the house. And 144 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: now look and we get closer, that's Brad. What that 145 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: Brad Womack could take it upon himself because he's a 146 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: bar owner. You had fully stocked the house. You brought 147 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: a whole bar and dropped it off at our house, 148 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: just set it up for my birthday, and was leaving 149 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: like a thief in the night because and luckily I 150 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: got to see you and give you a hug and sure, 151 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: thank you, And You're like, I don't want to stay. 152 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to thank you. I just wanted you 153 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: to have a good time, Bud, and you took off. Sure, 154 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: we ended up seeing you for dinner later we came 155 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: into town. But to those stories were you know. That's 156 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: why you will always be one of my favorite human 157 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: beings to ever have been on the show. 158 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: Thank you, man, You always. 159 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: Went above and beyond. It was never about you. 160 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. Well, first of all, you're my friend 161 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: right period, and so friends made a lot to me, 162 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: but also you did a lot for me. And I 163 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: don't want to get too cheesy and stuff, but I'm 164 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: very grateful for the experiences that I've had. I'm grateful 165 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: for the friendships that I've made. And so, yeah, that 166 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: was a blip. I really appreciate you mentioning that. But 167 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: when I say that was a blip to me, it 168 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: was a gesture to say thank you. 169 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 170 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's all I. 171 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: Got why everybody loves Brad you do well because I 172 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: know there's a one offs, but you do that stuff 173 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: all the time and I know for a fact you 174 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: do and that's that's why we all love you. So 175 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: you go into twenty ten, say, and you are the 176 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: Bachelor again, And you said in episode one it wasn't 177 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: about redemption. You didn't need to clear your name because 178 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: you are beloved. Everybody loved you, even though we all 179 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: gave you a hard time. And I think some one 180 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: woman even slapped you on night one. 181 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 2: Yes she did kind of liked it, you know, it 182 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 2: showed fire. I mean, let's face it, it showed fire, 183 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: you know. 184 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: So one of the producers obviously came up with the 185 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: idea that a woman would get out of the car 186 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: and slap Brad and said, you know, I think she 187 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: said this is for the whole country or. 188 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: So all the women across America. I think that's a 189 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: direct quote. And can I say something That woman did 190 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: not hold back. 191 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: Now, Oh, she gave you a legit, Slau. 192 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: She rang my bell, Chris. 193 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: That's how the season started. Sure, and that was obviously 194 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: the famous season with Emily Maynard. Yeah, you were partially 195 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: and unfortunately maybe responsible for creating maybe our biggest Starmily Emily. 196 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: Sure you have one. No, that's self creation was. 197 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: An absolute rock star. That is the season that where 198 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: we put her on the map. Was this sweet mom 199 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: and back then I think her daughter was only like 200 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: two or three years old at the time, I was 201 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: very young and she came on your show. And by 202 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: then we were traveling, Yes, we were, yeah, yeah, yeah, 203 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: And I forget where all we went, but I know 204 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: we ended up in South Africa. 205 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: We did Anguilla, Cape Town. 206 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: That's right. Oh my god, I swear to you. So 207 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: Lauren and I just did a auction for Experience Camps, 208 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: this amazing camp for people who have lost a significant 209 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: like a caretaker, a mom and dad, or a sibling. 210 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: And we auctioned off a trip to Anguilla. Did you, 211 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: and I said, Brad Womack season we were at the 212 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: Queens Art Resort. 213 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: To this day, the prettiest place I've ever seen was Yeah. 214 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: But back to Emily as far as her stardom so 215 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: to speak, yeah, I had absolutely nothing to do with 216 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: her light, that's her. 217 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: Just that was the season we introduced I Got You, Okay. 218 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: Got you, got you? Yes, She's just natural. Man, my gosh, 219 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: just a beautiful person inside and out. 220 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: Just jumped off the screen. Yeah, man, there are some 221 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: people that just captivate you. 222 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. 223 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: Jojo was another one. 224 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've always wanted to meet her and and. 225 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: You guys are so similar because again Texas people, Her 226 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,239 Speaker 1: and Jordan are amazing. 227 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: I've heard this both of them. I want to meet 228 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 2: both of them. Let me clarify. 229 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know what you meant. Jojo 230 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: and Jordan, Raven and Adam are another couple you got 231 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: to meet here that are just incredible. But Jojo was 232 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: another one where you just saw you like, she just 233 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: jumps off the screen. Yes, she does this thing about her. 234 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: But Emily Maynard was your final choice. You actually did 235 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: choose somebody in that season? 236 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: Yes, I did. 237 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: Did you feel the extra pressure coming towards the end 238 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: there to actually make that choice, because I know we 239 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: worried more about landing that plane as we called it 240 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: on the show, because you know, it's like the movie 241 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: Runaway Bride. It's like we've seen this before. Sure, is 242 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: he really going to pull the trigger? 243 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: I hear that. 244 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: And I wanted this for you. I actually you know 245 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: by now we're friends, right and I really want you 246 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: to find love, and I thought it was happening. 247 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: Right well, I wanted it for me too, And you 248 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: know I can't lie and say I didn't feel any 249 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: pressure at all. Of Course I did. Yeah, of course 250 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 2: I did. But I'll tell you, man to man, I 251 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: wouldn't have chosen anybody if I didn't feel what I 252 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: felt for Emily. And what I felt for Emily at 253 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: that time for me was love. And and you know, people, 254 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 2: I'm sure there are scoffs going across the nation right 255 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: now right what I felt in that I felt like 256 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: I was in love with this woman, period, and so you. 257 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: Make decisions with the knowledge you have and the feelings 258 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: you have at the time. Of course, it's easy to 259 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: look back and be like, oh, that was crazy. You 260 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: know that first marriage was terrible. It's like at the time, 261 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: that's what we knew talking. 262 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't care about her because she dumps me. 263 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: Sorry for the laugh, but I'm getting it's uh No, 264 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: I genuinely had very strong feelings for her. I take 265 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: marriage and engagements very seriously, of course, and I felt 266 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: lucky as hell man that she was there and accepted. 267 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: Who was I was trying to think, who is number 268 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: two in that season? Was Chantal Yeah, which I was 269 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: trying to think of the others. The other stars on 270 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: that season was Michelle. 271 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: Money, Michelle Man my favorite human beings me too. 272 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: Yah, that's right. I remember what were we in Costa Rica? 273 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: We went to Costa Rica. 274 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: I think you said goodbye to Michelle was in Coasta 275 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: Rica exactly. We were in the r and All region 276 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: of Costa Rica, down where the volcano was blowing up. 277 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: Is she happy, Michelle? 278 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so so she? Uh was going to 279 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: just kind of be a life partner with Mike we 280 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: or the golfer, but they ended up getting married. Good 281 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: for her, and so they are married, and her daughter 282 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: is healthy and fully recovered when she had her trauma. 283 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: And I talked to Michelle from time to time, and 284 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: obviously I'm a huge golf fan, so I keep in touch. 285 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: And she is as explosive and phenomenal and charismatic as 286 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: she was when she was on the show. 287 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 2: It's funny. And I hope she listens to this because 288 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: I get asked about her more than anybody. Yeah, and 289 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: is she really like that? And I can't sing her 290 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: praises enough because one I love when people are just authentic. 291 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: You know, she is very real, you know, like when 292 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: you what you get with what you see with money 293 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: is what you get with money. 294 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: Yes you do. And and beautiful, I mean strikingly gorgeous woman. 295 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: And I think she owns that a little bit. I 296 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: kind of like it. 297 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, she walks the walk, so yes she does. 298 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm glad she's happy. 299 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, her and Mike are doing great. And I saw 300 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: her out there my son was playing on the cross 301 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: room as pre college, and we swung by and actually 302 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: went to their house because we were going to the 303 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: airport and we're all sweaty and nasty. We actually went 304 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: to her Mike's house to shower up, I have lunch, 305 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: and then we went to the airport. But I keep 306 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: in touch with her and she's doing really well. Try 307 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: to think who other because there was that was a 308 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: star studded show. 309 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: Ashley both Ashley's were is it a bear? And yes, 310 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: Ashley Abart Spivey's Spivey. Yes, I've heard Ashley Spivey doesn't 311 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: like me. I mean, I don't even pay attention to. 312 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: Who also went on to be our bachelorette. 313 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean amazing. 314 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a I was trying. There's certain seasons 315 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: that produced stars, sure, just all stars for one reason 316 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: or another. And for that season to to have produced 317 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: two bachelorettes and stars that went on to Paradise and 318 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: Summer Games and all these things. We did all the 319 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: incarnations of the show. So you know, you may not 320 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: have found love, but you gave us a lot of stars. 321 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: I found love. It just didn't work out, you know. 322 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: And so you left the show engaged. 323 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: Yes, I did. And I'm proud to say that, you know. 324 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: And and Emily was a great addition to my life. 325 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: And and you know, great, I guess I hate to 326 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: say experience. I don't know that it is a chapter. 327 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: It was a chapter of your life, perfect way to 328 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: put it. 329 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: And you know, I have literally no regrets on that, 330 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: and you know, it is what it is. We're definitely 331 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: two different people and and so you learn that, you know, 332 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: when you. 333 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: Go and like Michelle Money, I mean, Emily is I 334 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: mean married and children do it. She's just crushing it 335 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: and happy. She just be adore her too. 336 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. 337 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad she's doing well. 338 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: Me too. 339 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: Man and Ashley a bear as well. It's it's funny, 340 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, I keep in touch, especially back then the 341 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, the people that came off the show. It's 342 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: like we just all got closer at the time. We 343 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: spent a lot of intimate time together. Of course, you know, 344 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: the show got more professional as we went on, but 345 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: that also kind of detached us in a way from 346 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: some emotions and connections of relationships that we built on 347 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: the show. But famously, obviously you and Emily didn't work 348 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: out what has life been like kind of post show? 349 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: You you obviously had the bars here in Austin. That 350 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: was amazingly successful. You opened some in Houston, you opened 351 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: bar in Nashville. You and your brother, your partner's created 352 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: an amazing business. But what about love. I've known, and 353 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: I hopefully I'm okay to out you. I know you've 354 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: dated a couple of times. Of course, you've had some 355 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: serious relationships, of course, but as far as I know, 356 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: nothing stuck. 357 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: No, no, nothing. So well, you know, so I dated 358 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: a girl for about seven years, you know, after Emily, 359 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: and it's one of those things that things just kind 360 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: of fizzled unfort It's just one of those things. I mean, 361 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 2: madly in love with a woman at the time, and 362 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: you know, you just move on. Right now, I'm kind 363 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: of laying low. You know. It's and I'll tell you 364 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: why it's. You mentioned the bars, and I know I 365 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: mentioned this when I got here. But you know, we 366 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: just recently sold our company. And while that's really exciting, 367 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: I'm in the biggest transition of my life. Man. 368 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: It's weird. 369 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: I'd moved to Nashville to kind of we're going to 370 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: expand out there, and then decided maybe this isn't the 371 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 2: road we want to go down. And so and when 372 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: I say we my business partner's fat. But anyway, and 373 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: so there's nothing for me in Nashville, So now I'm 374 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: moving back. So bottom line is it's really really hard, yea, 375 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: to even ask a girl on a date when I 376 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: don't have a home to go to, you know, I mean, 377 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: I'm staying with my brother right now. I'm looking for 378 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: a home in Austin. 379 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: Nothing's changed. 380 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: Trying to figure out, you know, what's next in life? 381 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: Well, this is a it's you. You're an interesting point 382 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: in your life. I mean, you're you know, you and 383 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: I are both just on the other side of fifty, yes, sir, 384 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: And which is an interesting time anyway, is when you 385 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: really take stock in your life and you get kind 386 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: of reflective and you think, Okay, what do I want 387 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: for the back nine of life? 388 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 389 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: And you have just especially when you have a major 390 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: cash event, you've cashed out whatever that means. It could 391 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: be good, bad, whatever. You've hit two pivotal moments in 392 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: your life, sure, turning fifty and then getting out of 393 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: your business. Now you have to decide what is that? 394 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: What does it look like now? What is what is 395 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: the why? What's the how? 396 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: The purpose? You know, and we you and I discussed 397 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 2: purpose a long time ago, right and and frankly, and 398 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: you know, my biggest purpose is work. I don't know why. 399 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 2: I've always been that way, and so now I'm kind 400 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: of lost a little bit. I've recently joined a new 401 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: company and I'm really excited about that. It's so you're 402 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 2: working again, I am. I just started last week. And man, 403 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: it's I know, I can't help it. Man, it's but 404 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: I believe in this company. It's you know, and and 405 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if I have the capacity or whatever 406 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 2: to describe it. I don't want to bore your listeners 407 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: or anything, but. 408 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 1: In general, what do you do? 409 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: I'll tell you. It's it's called the Collective. It's here 410 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: in Austin, but we're expanding nationwide. It's a social performance club. 411 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: And what that is. It's state of the art training facility. 412 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: We have an athletic recovery lounge, we have a co 413 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: working space, we have a. 414 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: Wait, is this the one that's in downtown Austin. 415 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm trying to get you and Lauren in there. 416 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: Dude, I have heard about this. 417 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: It's a good deal. 418 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: But every professional athlete, yes, within a thousand miles of 419 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: here goes there. 420 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: So I'm glad you're I'm glad you're bringing that up 421 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 2: because I'm trying to be humble. 422 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: Dude, I've so this is crazy. I had no idea 423 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: you were involved in this. I've had several people, professional athletes, 424 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: tell me you have to go it's I think it's 425 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: it's downtown Austin, right. 426 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: So there's two locations. The one my office out of 427 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: is on South Congress, right behind St. Celia, and then 428 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: we have a location up north. But yeah, so, but 429 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you would love it. Our our membership base, 430 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: and it doesn't it's not all professional athletes. It's every guy, 431 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: every day guys like me. But I want to bring 432 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 2: up something important. We also have a full blown medical 433 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: practice within the facility, okay, And what that means is, 434 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: you know, peptides are all the reasons now and all 435 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 2: of that, and so we do all of that. You 436 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: can get your blood work done, and so I really 437 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 2: believe in the expansion of the business. 438 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: That's amazing. So yeah, man, Well Jesus you're a walking billboard. 439 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: Well I appreciate you if. 440 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: You've always been built like a brick out house, but 441 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate it we're on the other side of fifty 442 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: now and it's not that easy to look like that. 443 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: Now. Well, I'm trying. We just discussed I'm single, but 444 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: somewhat perpetually. I need to keep up, you know, with 445 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: all the cool kids. 446 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: Well, congratulations on that. And by the way, the collective, 447 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: I love that you guys are expanding, and I will 448 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: come see it because I've heard amazing things. So you're 449 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: diving into that, sure, which I get. And by the way, 450 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: you can't stop what you love to do. And if 451 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: work is something that's passionate to you, it is you 452 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: should continue that passion. 453 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: Thank you man. 454 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: You can only go play so much pickleball or off 455 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: or whatever it's. You've got to keep your mind active, 456 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: and you're good at it, clearly. 457 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 2: Thank you man. Well, that's the thing about it. It's 458 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: you know, I'll be really honest. I think, like anybody, 459 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 2: when we were going through our exit for the business, 460 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna admit this to you. I mean I was 461 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 2: looking at retiring, I mean homes in the mountains and 462 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: here's my chance. I'm out, buddy, I'm out. 463 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: Well this is you know, go all. 464 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, careful what you wish for because 465 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 2: I sat on my butt for about a month and 466 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: I went out of my mind. Yeah, and I could 467 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: not be happier with the leaders, the CEO and founders 468 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: of Collective. I know those guys are really good dudes, 469 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: and just said, hey, that's awesome. I think you can 470 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: add value to us. Yeah, And so I jumped right 471 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: in and we'll see what happened. 472 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: So I'll crack the door on you know, my own situation. Yeah, please, Well, 473 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: because I went through something very similar. I was, you 474 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: know when I left the show a few years ago, 475 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: even though it was tumultuous and it made your first 476 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: season look really tame. 477 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: Sure, surely imagine. 478 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: But with that said, you know, I had gotten to 479 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: the point in my life where I was fine, And 480 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: of course I thought there was a moment, a brief 481 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: moment where I thought, Okay, you can be done. Do 482 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: you want to be done? You know? Do you want 483 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: to just question with social media? With everything going on? 484 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: Do you know family is the most important thing to me? 485 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: And I was already falling in love with and in 486 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: love with Lauren, saw a life there and was working 487 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: really hard on that. My kids are older and I'm 488 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: coming close to being an empty nester. Do you just 489 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: hang it up? And you know, like you said, go 490 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: find that place in the mountains or go down to 491 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: Cabo And And I spent a little time post divorce 492 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: from the show and allowed myself to heal, allowed myself 493 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: to feel that, and I quickly realized I can't do 494 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: that either. 495 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: Oh I know you can't. 496 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: I can't. I just couldn't walk away and do nothing. 497 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, that's not who you are. And I want 498 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 2: to jump in on something, turn it on you. Yes, 499 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: So I'm not taking over your podcast. I'd be a disaster. 500 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: There's no rules here. 501 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 2: Two things, well, actually three. The first thing, I think 502 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: that's the best thing that ever happened to you. Man. One. 503 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: I think you are that franchise period. You are the show. 504 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: Everyone knows it. And I'm not going to get into 505 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: my feelings of of right or wrong, but that was 506 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: the best thing that happened to you. You and l 507 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: Z I'm talking after everything. Yeah, I've never seen two 508 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: people that are so meant to be with each other. 509 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: When I had dinner with you guys, yeah, I was 510 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: in awe. I mean, you're finishing each other's sentences kind 511 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: of nauseating. You're yeah, I mean you you both are 512 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: just so full of love and respect for each other. 513 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 2: So that's one another great thing that happened. And also 514 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: heard through the grapevine that you're getting back into production 515 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: a reality dating show. I mean, you can't stay away, 516 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: this is what I've heard. But yeah, I mean look 517 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 2: at you, man. You you are a producer, right, I 518 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 2: mean you produce and you work, and so I could 519 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: have told you weren't going to hang it up. I mean, 520 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 2: that's just not you. There was saying I'm happy for you. 521 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're involved. Thank you, by the way, thank you 522 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: for all the accolades, and you love You're right, Lauren 523 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: is easily the greatest thing that's ever happened to me. 524 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: She is God. She's such a treasure and on so 525 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: many levels. And we had the dinner with you. We 526 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: went to Uchi, one of our favorite joints here at Austin. 527 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: Tyson Cole gave you a shout out, but not that. 528 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 2: He needs it. 529 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: You can't get in there, man. Yeah, trients money. But 530 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: and I've gotten to know him, by the way, great Kally, 531 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: really interesting guy, unbelievably fascinating. But that dinner I remember 532 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: that vividly, and we were still fairly new at the time. 533 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: I don't think we're even engaged. And I was so 534 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: excited for you to meet her, because yeah, she's just 535 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: such a jewel in my life. And she was kind 536 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: of of the impetus for hey, you're not even close 537 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: to done. But of course, let's get your ship back together. 538 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: And so we uh, you know, and talk about your 539 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: first point. The greatest thing that ever happened to me. 540 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: You know, blessings and gifts from God and you know, 541 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: answered prayers and all that. They don't always come in 542 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: a box, you know, with a bow under it, under 543 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: the tree. You know, it's never how you ask for it, right, 544 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: but they show up in your life just the same. 545 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: And I did need a a an event in my 546 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: life to get me out of one thing and get 547 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: me to the next, because complacency, whatever you call it. 548 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: I was comfortable. I was working. You know, you're making 549 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: a lot of money. Life is good. Why are you 550 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: going to upset the apple cart? You know? 551 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: Also pick you're loyal man, and well. 552 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: That's a big part of it. 553 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: And and and sometimes to your own fault, I think 554 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: you're loyal. Well, but I know for sure I'm saying it. 555 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: You don't have to thank you, but no I do. 556 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 2: And I'm glad you see that. But yeah, it's not 557 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: like you to walk away from anything. And yeah, best 558 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 2: thing that could ever happen to you. Man. 559 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: I I totally agree with you. And it just takes 560 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: you a minute to kind of see that from the 561 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: thirty thousand foot level that everybody else sees it. And 562 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: you were. And by the way, uh, to credit you, 563 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: You've always been a dear friend, one of the first 564 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: people to reach out to me and just say I 565 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: love you, I'm here if you need me, if you 566 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: need to escape, I'm here, you know, come in and 567 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: take over my house again. Sure, but I appreciate the 568 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: fact that you never question, never just were there. 569 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: Oh man, well of course you're you're my friend. 570 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And so I always was grateful for that, 571 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: and Lauren quickly realized, oh this is a good man. 572 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 2: Oh well, well, I appreciate that, man. But back to her, 573 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 2: and let's sing her praises again. 574 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: You know, we're sitting below all her Emmy awardins. I know, right, 575 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: But the house that Lauren built. 576 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 2: I don't waste too much time. But It's a real 577 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 2: good feeling to see two people that are just meant 578 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: and and John. 579 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: We were so bummed you could know. So you weren't 580 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: at our wedding. Yeah, clearly you were invited. You had 581 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: an unfortunate event and you were at a funeral, man, unfortunate, 582 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: but I'm glad you were there. Yeah, but we missed you, man, 583 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: because it just wasn't the same without you here in Austin. 584 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: You know what's so funny is I I listened to 585 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 2: one of your podcasts that you were going over, just 586 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 2: kind of recapping, right, and and all that's fun. It's more, 587 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 2: I'm really sorry I couldn't support my friend. I just 588 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: wanted to see because that's such a big moment with 589 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: l Z in particular. Yeah, you know, you'd gotten to 590 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 2: know her, of course, but just seeing you guys so happy, 591 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 2: and then, let's face it, man, I'll admit I would 592 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 2: have loved to have met some of the people from 593 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: the past. 594 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have loved you too. 595 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's yet to be determined. 596 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: But you know, we had a little little cocktail party 597 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: here at the house the night before, and like you know, 598 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: it was like thirty or forty of us. It was 599 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: just our kind of tight knit group and obviously you 600 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: would have been there to meet everybody. That was a 601 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: really cool night because it's where kind of old school 602 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: met new school and everybody kind of crossed over and 603 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: it was a really special, like intense, emotional night. But 604 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: you know the fact that Lauren and I have moved on, 605 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: created this new endeavor with Merritt Street Media, which is 606 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: on the air now with doctor Phil. 607 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: I've heard this, you know. 608 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: Having just having doctor Phil come in my life, sure 609 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: and is and you know, I have to give his 610 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: wife credit as well, Robin, who's amazing and they're friends 611 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: of ours now, Like what a treasure like. And that 612 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened if I hadn't left there, you go, 613 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: if if that moment didn't happen, that jarring, tumultuous time 614 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: led to this incredible endeavor that we've created now here 615 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: in Texas. 616 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: So what more could you ask for me? 617 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: Nothing like nothing? I have the woman in my dreams. 618 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: We're starting this incredible blank slate of a production right 619 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: that we can do what we want and throw it 620 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: against the wall and have a proponent in our corner 621 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: like doctor Phil. Uh I guess the only question is 622 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: are you ready for a third time? 623 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: Let's go? 624 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: No, who knows, man, we are doing a reality show 625 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: about love. 626 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, buddy. I've learned never to say never, 627 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: you know. But I also know my lane and when 628 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: to stay in it, my limits I do, buddy. I 629 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: I maybe the geriatric version of whatever dating show. But no, man, 630 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: I mean never say never. Who knows. But back to you, 631 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: I'm really proud of you. 632 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate that one always feel in your love and 633 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: those that were a part of the show that understood, 634 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: and there were there were those inside the show or 635 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: who had been inside the show that I know what 636 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: really happened, and they know what really goes on and 637 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: what really went on behind the scenes that led to it. 638 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: I always appreciated their silent support and love and that 639 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: that meant the most to me. I bet so, and 640 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: you were a part of that. And I'm afre I 641 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 1: will always be grateful and and and to move on 642 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: is yeah, it's I'm I'm I know the chapter you're 643 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: in right now because we're in the same chapter, and 644 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: I get it. I I've never been more excited. Yeah, man, 645 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: maybe because we don't have to do it. 646 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: That's the thing. That's that's such a good point, you know. 647 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: That's another thing. Chad and I both promised ourselves that 648 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: anything that we do after this, we're going to absolutely 649 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: love it, and I mean love it. And and thank 650 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: god I found that and you know, we'll see and 651 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: obviously you did too. But life's short, man, it is. 652 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: I mean, life's really short. 653 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: It's you know, my mom is a great saying. She 654 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: says life is too short, but it's equally too long 655 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: to be miserable. 656 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's there you go. 657 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: You know, and whether that's your marriage or a toxic 658 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: relationship or a bad business or whatever. And honestly, that 659 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: was my whole thing with Lauren and falling in love 660 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: and marrying her. It's not that I had to get 661 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: married the first time, but I was young, and it's 662 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: what you do, right, you're checking off boxes. And I 663 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: did marry a very fine woman who became a good 664 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: and all that. But with Lauren, I didn't have to 665 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, she didn't have to do that. Yeah, 666 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: she had been married before, and I had been married before. 667 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: I have kids. I didn't need to. It's that I 668 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: wanted to with my whole heart and being It's like 669 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: I got to that point in life where I'm like, 670 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: I want to do this with you. I want to 671 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: be life with you. And so when you are free 672 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: and uninhibited like that, man, it's powerful. Well now you're 673 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: just bragging, man, but I feel like, let me But 674 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: I feel like that in my business life too and 675 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: doing it. And by the way, I'm doing it well 676 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: with Lauren, and you're going to do it as well 677 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: with the collective or you know, whatever it leads to. Sure, 678 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: you're going to do it because you want to. 679 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: Well that's the thing I love about you, guys, I 680 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: mean an absolute power couple and you can share creativity 681 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: and all that you know. And so keep plugging through 682 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 2: or pushing forward because you guys are doing some big things. 683 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: So let's hear it. 684 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: I just I'm curious because I have pondered this and 685 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: I've I've talked about this with many people. Oh, and 686 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: I just want to know from you, like, why do 687 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: you think you haven't found true love? 688 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: Oh that's a good question. Man. You know I'm allowed 689 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: to deal with you know I'm not the most nurturing guy. 690 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: But but again, back to work, man, we really did work. 691 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: You are a nurturing guy. 692 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, I appreciate it's such a nurture Okay, 693 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: I'll take that. 694 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: Do you think it's just timing like and just things 695 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: haven't like it's because it's not like you haven't been 696 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: in serious relationships. It's just you commit seven years and 697 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: then seven years go by, and then you commit five 698 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: years and then five years go by. Is it just 699 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: a timing thing? 700 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 2: And maybe maybe you know something? I'll admit one thing 701 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: I am really I find immense solace and soliditude, and 702 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: so I find that sometimes if I'm in a very 703 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: serious relationship, I produce, if that makes sense, And you 704 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: know what I mean? 705 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: And so well, because you you you dive in one 706 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: hundred percent to that relationship. 707 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm so concerned about her well being. Okay, you know, 708 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: And and it's soud should be it sound should right, 709 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: But I tend to I'm really comfortable being alone, I 710 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: mean really comfortable being alone. And so and a lot 711 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: of times, especially a partner that you are in love 712 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: with doesn't see about you in alone time. 713 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: Well, you need someone who is fiercely independent. And because 714 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: I don't think to you, well, I don't think to 715 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: your degree. But I like I like being alone, do 716 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: you Yeah? I like my time alone because I spent 717 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: so much time alone, you know, for twenty years when 718 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: I was traveling with the show. Yeah, I was alone. 719 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: Like when we're in South Africa and you're all looking 720 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: at elephants or whatever. I was at that Sabby Sands 721 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: resort by myself. 722 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 2: It's a great point for a week, Yeah, great point 723 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: in the. 724 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: Middle of effing nowhere. 725 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 2: You know. 726 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: I would see a couple of people from the crew whatever. 727 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: But it was a I had to really learn to 728 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: be alone, and that's a good skill to have. Yeah, 729 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: but you've got to be careful because, like you said, 730 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: it could take over your life, and it can. You 731 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: can almost want that and need it so much that 732 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: you rail against finding companionship. 733 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: Maybe that's it, man, you are a therapist. I love this. 734 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: I needed this, But no, I think you hit the 735 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 2: nail on the head. And I'm beginning to learn a 736 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 2: little bit that you know, I do. I value relationships 737 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 2: immensely and frankly, I want a relationship badly, you know, 738 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: and one that's permanent, you know. 739 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: And I think you need someone like Lauren, Like Lauren's 740 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: great because for many reasons, but one of the things 741 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: she does. She has a very badass group of girlfriends. 742 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: They have been friends, best friends since college. They take 743 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: these girls trips and they talk, or she'll just up 744 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: and leave and go see her mom in Chicago or 745 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: her sister in Florida or whatever. 746 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 2: She just goes. 747 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like and she's like, I need time away 748 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: from you too. I like that, like that, you know, 749 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: within the house. Sometimes she's like, I need a Bravo night. 750 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go just watch Bravo and like like, stay away. 751 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: I love it, and I know to go into the 752 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: other side of the house. Sure, you know, I'll watch 753 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: golf channel. Sure, I think that is important. 754 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 2: Maybe so I think you. 755 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: Need somebody who understands to love fiercely and intensely. But 756 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: it's more about quality than quantity, and that, you know, 757 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: Brad Womack needs some time, go work, go do your thing. Sure, 758 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: when I do get you, I'll take you. 759 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 2: Oh, man, I give That's one thing I can say. 760 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 2: I give one hundred percent of myself when we're when 761 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 2: the time comes. Obviously, you know, I don't know, man, 762 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: I've obviously been asking question a lot. I promise nothing 763 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: is too strange up there, you know. 764 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: But that's the thing is, I know there's not like 765 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: I know, you're a great guy. I mean look at you. 766 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: You're still you know, a handsome devil come and that 767 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: that's all there. And I know that deep down there 768 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: is this I always say with braggo because a lot 769 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: of people have asked me because you're you're one of 770 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: my big conundrum in life where it's like I'm like 771 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: grabbing these two extensions extension cords and they're like so 772 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: close to plugging in. I'm like, I just can't quite 773 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: figure out, like why this amazing, dude. But life's funny 774 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: and love's funny like that. 775 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 2: It is it is, and maybe maybe you hit the 776 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 2: nail on the head. I just need to find someone 777 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 2: that's and when I say fiercely independent, yeah that doesn't 778 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 2: need or expect a text every hour or something. I 779 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 2: mean we're all doing our thing and I'm damn sure 780 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 2: not sleeping around chea. I've never cheated or anything, you know, 781 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 2: And so you know all of that. 782 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: And someone who can trust and understand go live your life. 783 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: And that's I think that is uh, that is out there, 784 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: and that's an important thing when you go into that 785 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: next relationship to define it as such and not put 786 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: the cart before the horse to where you all dive 787 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 1: in and you show this one life but need another. 788 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: It's almost like when you get into this life, it's like, hey, 789 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: these I needed to define at fifty two, fifty one 790 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: years old. I need to just define the kind of 791 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: relationship I'm looking for. 792 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, you're going to see an application 793 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 2: come through for your reality show five minutes after I 794 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 2: leave here. We got this, why not, let's go, let's go. 795 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 1: But I'm excited you're moving back to Austin. 796 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 2: Man, Thank you. Man. If you need. 797 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: A place to stay in the meantime, if Chad kicks 798 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: you out, you know, I got an ext. 799 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 2: Chair for you. Careful what you wish for? Oh you? 800 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: If you know your brand. 801 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 2: Not at all? But well I know your son's coming 802 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 2: back home. Congratulations, Thank you a way. Yeah, and seems 803 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 2: like your family man, just some really highly motivated people. 804 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: We're in a good season right now. 805 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 2: That's good. 806 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: I always say life is full of seasons. Yes, sir, 807 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: there are good ones, there are bad ones. We will 808 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: all have bad ones. Lord knows. We're in a good 809 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: season right now. 810 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 2: I like it for you, man, knock on what Yeah, 811 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 2: that will too, But. 812 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: That and just when when you're in a good season, 813 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: you just got to enjoy it, you know. 814 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,760 Speaker 2: I agree with you. Well, hopefully, man, when I'm back permanently, 815 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 2: I'd love to take you and Lauren to dinner or something. 816 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: You know it's going to happen. Thank you, my friend. Yeah, 817 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: of course, thank you for everything. 818 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 2: You kidding me. I mean, it's just I said this 819 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 2: to you before we got on here. I'm going to 820 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 2: say this publicly that if you asked me to do something, 821 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: I'm going to do it because I know it comes 822 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 2: from a great place and I just want to hang 823 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 2: out with you. So good to see you, man. 824 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most 825 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: Dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write us a 826 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you 827 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: next time.