WEBVTT - Orianthi

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Steps Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest today is Ori Anty, guitarist artist songwriter orianthy

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<v Speaker 1>Good to have you on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for having me on. I really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I read in a recent interview with you, but

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<v Speaker 3>you said you love music, but you hate the music industry.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you tell me more about that?

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<v Speaker 2>It's forever changing? Is that the wild West? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, once streaming began, it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>all lost its value, you know, because I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>kind of in a time walk, you know, my dad's

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<v Speaker 2>record collections and the value of like going you know,

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<v Speaker 2>lining up at a record store and waiting for your

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<v Speaker 2>favorite record to come out and opening it and reading

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<v Speaker 2>the liner notes, and you know, there was just so

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<v Speaker 2>much more gravity to that to now where everything's like

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<v Speaker 2>instant gratification, which is cool and all right, because we

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<v Speaker 2>all love that. But I think kids that are now

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<v Speaker 2>born with iPhones in their hands, essentially, you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what it was like to sort of experience

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<v Speaker 2>music the other way where you go to a store

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<v Speaker 2>and you buy a jacket, and you pay for the jacket.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, and it's like now it's

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<v Speaker 2>like music's so free, but everything you know, costs the same.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the business side of things as well, it's

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<v Speaker 2>very different just how people operate. And when I first

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<v Speaker 2>got signed to now it's like I think everyone's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of famous, right, like so many which is great. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>having the platform of TikTok and Instagram and all that

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to self promote, right, but the mystique

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<v Speaker 2>I think is kind of gone because you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>know what everyone's had for breakfast these days.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, so okay, but your experiences in the industry.

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<v Speaker 3>You had to deal with Geffen, you had a hit record,

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<v Speaker 3>you dealt with managers, you dealt with agins. Did that

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<v Speaker 3>leave a bad taste in your mouth?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely yeah, if you don't have a good

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer to begin with. Yeah, yeah, you know, I came

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<v Speaker 2>off a boat from Australia, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't know what I was getting into. I

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<v Speaker 2>signed within just go Jimmy Ivan, who's amazing. I have

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<v Speaker 2>utmost respect for him and Ron Fair and everybody. But

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<v Speaker 2>then you get this circus that surrounds you, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know where all your money is going. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what you're doing is essentially a very big loan.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't realize that when you're a kid and you

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<v Speaker 2>just see all the flashing lights. We've got multi platinum

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<v Speaker 2>record here, I'm traveling you know, the world on this single,

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<v Speaker 2>and and you know, just there's tons of money being

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<v Speaker 2>thrown at you. You're making tons of money. You're getting

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<v Speaker 2>all these different sponsorships and whatnot, and from Colgate Commercial

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<v Speaker 2>Commercialist to Panasonic to Hayundai to whatever, you know, clothing lines,

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff, and you sort of lose

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<v Speaker 2>your mind. And I was probably the most unhappiest back

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<v Speaker 2>then as a kid, you know, to what I am now,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel I feel like I'm finding balanced as I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting older. You know, it's just like really, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>being more present. I think that's the key, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to being like creating and being in the moment and

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<v Speaker 2>going back to what I was like as a kid

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<v Speaker 2>in my living room or in my bedroom with my

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<v Speaker 2>Keishar and creating because that's what it's all about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about that joy and reaching people and serving people.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, the spiritual aspect of music and creation is

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<v Speaker 2>where my head and heart and spirit lays better than

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<v Speaker 2>the business aspect of things.

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, in that go round, you had it interscope.

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<v Speaker 3>To what degree did they tell you what music to

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<v Speaker 3>make or want to change what you wanted to do personally?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, It's funny. When I first moved over here,

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<v Speaker 2>I self produced a record when I was like, i'll

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<v Speaker 2>say fifteen or sixteen, and I learned how to engineer.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned how to produce, I learned how to play drums,

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<v Speaker 2>bass keys, everything, and I did this record called Violet

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<v Speaker 2>Journey I was in. It was actually off Universal Records

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia, and then I got I sent it to

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<v Speaker 2>everyone over here in the US, and I got a

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<v Speaker 2>deal from Jimmy Ivy. You know, He's like, I love

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<v Speaker 2>what you're doing, you know, come over here and perform

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<v Speaker 2>for me. So I came over and I performed at

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<v Speaker 2>the NAM Show. Then I went to Jimmy's home in

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<v Speaker 2>bel Air and performed for him in the basement, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was sitting on a bean bag in his kid's

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<v Speaker 2>basement and he was like, perform for me with a

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<v Speaker 2>backing track. It was the craziest thing. And his kids

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<v Speaker 2>were having a party everyone's dressed and I remember dinosaur

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<v Speaker 2>gear and I don't know what's going on, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was playing my songs and he's like, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>sign you. And then then Ron Fair was like I

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<v Speaker 2>want to sign you to then went back to Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>came back and moved over. I was like eighteen nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, that was pretty It was a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>wild sort of time. And then you know, I learned

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<v Speaker 2>kind of how to do everything myself. So I knew

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<v Speaker 2>how to write songs, and you how to produce. And

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<v Speaker 2>then when you get put into that big sort of machine,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, of a major label, they all want to

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<v Speaker 2>put you with different riders, rightly, so so you can

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<v Speaker 2>get hit songs. But then you feel like you can't

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<v Speaker 2>do it yourself. You feel like you're not good enough

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<v Speaker 2>to write by yourself, you know what I mean. You

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<v Speaker 2>sort of lose this thing like you always need somebody

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<v Speaker 2>to help. So I had to get out of that mentality.

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<v Speaker 2>That was one thing that was like, yeah, sometimes it

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<v Speaker 2>does call for another songwriter. But this new record I've

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<v Speaker 2>just done, I've predominantly written every song myself, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>lyrically and musically, and I'm really proud of it too.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, okay, we'll get into your new work. But

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<v Speaker 3>since we started on this experience, this whirlwind, they forced

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<v Speaker 3>you to write with people. When the record was recorded,

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<v Speaker 3>were you happy with the music that was made, both

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<v Speaker 3>the songs in the way the recording and production ultimately came.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, some of them, not all, you know. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>according to turned out really well because that song had

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<v Speaker 2>a really strong message. It was very empowering for women

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<v Speaker 2>and men. And I think putting a is about self worth,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know what I mean, It's like just

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<v Speaker 2>standing up for yourself. I thought the message was really strong.

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<v Speaker 2>When the songwriters came in and showed me the song

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<v Speaker 2>and then I contributed to it and we finished it

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<v Speaker 2>up together in the studio. I'm like, I'm putting a

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<v Speaker 2>guitar solo on this, like you know, it could be

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<v Speaker 2>like a like an eighties guitar solo on a pop song.

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<v Speaker 2>And everyone at first I was like, I'm not doing something.

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<v Speaker 2>I play that on the radio and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the point of difference, you know what I mean

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<v Speaker 2>for me, because I'm a guitar player and it'd be

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<v Speaker 2>really cool to do that and to inspire girls, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because it wasn't that many female guitar players back then,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when it first came out to pick up

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<v Speaker 2>the guitar and and just you know, my whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>was just to inspire and uplift, and I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>that song really embodied both things, you know, really did.

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<v Speaker 3>How then with the major label, well it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was actually really sad. My A and R guy Tao Hertzberg,

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<v Speaker 2>he passed away from cancer and he was one of

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<v Speaker 2>my main guys there with Runfair and then Ron Fair,

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<v Speaker 2>i think went to a different position, and it's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of everyone sort of got different, you know. That's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of what things changed, vastly, right, who's in control? Who

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<v Speaker 2>signed you? Everything sort of slightly not falls apart, but

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<v Speaker 2>sort of does, like people take on different things. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we just sort of parted ways. There wasn't anything crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It just sort of happened where it was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>off the label now. So yeah, and then I went

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<v Speaker 2>straight in and made a record with Dave Stewart in Nashville,

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<v Speaker 2>so they went to Blackbird.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, this is you know something people talk about a

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<v Speaker 3>lot today. People say, oh, the business is screwed. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't get signed to a major label. Since you've been

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<v Speaker 3>up both sides of the fence, Yes, did you end

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<v Speaker 3>up making any money from the major label?

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<v Speaker 2>I did in the sense of what they brought to

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<v Speaker 2>the tap. I mean, they really promote you in such

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<v Speaker 2>a massive way, right, So you reach so many people

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<v Speaker 2>people with how much money they put behind you. So

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<v Speaker 2>you make money from endorsements and sponsorships and all that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. So for me, I was making money

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<v Speaker 2>from like commercials and you know, clothing lines and shows

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<v Speaker 2>and all that kind of stuff. So absolutely, and I

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<v Speaker 2>did definitely make a lot of money, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money got, you know, it sent out because you're

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<v Speaker 2>paying all these people. You have like the circus, you

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<v Speaker 2>have hair and makeup, you're flying the business class, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got parties going on. Honestly, I didn't know where half

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<v Speaker 2>my money was going. Now I do, thank god, but

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<v Speaker 2>back then I did not know. But you can make money.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, you're talking about the the number of the other

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<v Speaker 3>opportunities that came. Did you make any record royalties and

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<v Speaker 3>you get any royalties today?

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<v Speaker 2>Right now? I do receive, Yes, money I did every month.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the exact amount, but it changes all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. I can't say that it's an incredible amount

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<v Speaker 2>of money. No, No, it isn't, even though I've had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of success, especially in Japan predominantly it was

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<v Speaker 2>my biggest market. I have a best stuff record over there,

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<v Speaker 2>and we streamed I don't know, according to you stream

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<v Speaker 2>that for a song. I don't even know how many

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<v Speaker 2>millions you had, like on even TikTok and all these

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<v Speaker 2>different things at like one hundred something million hits and

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff. So yeah, I mean, it really doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>amount to much. No, I can't. I can't say. And

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<v Speaker 2>nowadays it's even worse because I had, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>hard copies back then too.

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, the amount of money you make from royalties,

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<v Speaker 3>can it pay your mortgage or rent in a month? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not. No.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Oh, okay, you're an attractive woman play guitar in

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<v Speaker 3>a world where that's a rarity. To what degree did

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<v Speaker 3>you feel pressure to trade on your sexuality? Were people

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<v Speaker 3>forced you to tread it on your sexuality? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I never really felt forced to do anything, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean people can say and say to me what.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate it when actually people tell me what to do,

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<v Speaker 2>because then I do the opposite. It's my personality, so

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<v Speaker 2>I guess being this sort of hard headed six year

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<v Speaker 2>old I was as soon as I picked up the guitar,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is what I want to do. And

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<v Speaker 2>I told my parents this is what I'm doing, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go and live in America. I'm buying

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<v Speaker 2>myself a Cadillac and I have a number one song and

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<v Speaker 2>travel the world. And I was like, so sad on

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<v Speaker 2>that like kind of manifested. But I also put, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like you have to put like inspired like action behind

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<v Speaker 2>your like thoughts. Of course, you know, so I work

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<v Speaker 2>my ass off, but I think that you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like of course, when I was first signed, I

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<v Speaker 2>did listen to a lot of people, and it hurt

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<v Speaker 2>my brain and spirit, you know, because everyone has an opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>and even now, everyone has an opinion about what, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I should be wearing, doing everything, and it's because they

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes I mean really well, and sometimes I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to be part of the you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know just to say something I don't really know anymore

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<v Speaker 2>as ego or whatever. But the people that I love

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<v Speaker 2>and trust I listened to, I'm like, hey, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think about this song. Yeah, I dig that like

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<v Speaker 2>eel one better at whatever, right, you know, And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>totally cool with that. But you know, ultimately, as I

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<v Speaker 2>said before, I'm pretty strong, like kind of minded. So

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<v Speaker 2>I mean some things like, yes, I listened to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people and did some weird things in the beginning. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean my second video clip was weird. It was

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<v Speaker 2>very weird. It's like I didn't even want to watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>That second single was bizarre. But anyway, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>had my thoughts about that. I thought that there could

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<v Speaker 2>have been a stronger second single off the record, belief,

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<v Speaker 2>but the label went with what they went with. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can't do much sometimes with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't really have even though you have success with

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<v Speaker 2>the first single, you don't really have much of a

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<v Speaker 2>voice when you know, the powers that be have their opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>To what degree. And we've lived through the me too era?

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<v Speaker 3>Was this something you experienced in your time in the

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<v Speaker 3>mainstream up to today?

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's some weird people. Honestly, whenever I have a

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<v Speaker 2>gut feeling, and my parents really instill this to me

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid, whenever you feel like something's weird, just

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<v Speaker 2>just leave you know, just go there's a door. There's

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<v Speaker 2>always a door.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always feel that, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you feel anything weird or anything strange or like

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<v Speaker 2>with anybody you know and that you know goes with

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<v Speaker 2>anyone in this business or whatever in life. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you feel weird about something or uncomfortable, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, have the strength just walk out. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, even if it's you know, egos are bruised

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever happens, just get out of there. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I look at it. As I said, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty strong sort of personality. I should say I

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<v Speaker 2>always have been.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, Okay, where are you from in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm from Adelaide, South Australia. I'm a Southerner.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I've been a couple of times. I've not been

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<v Speaker 3>to Adelaide. How far is Adelaide from Sydney or Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about an hour thirty plane trip. And Adelaide is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to tell you, growing up there it was wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>I had kind of the best sort of childhood. My

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<v Speaker 2>parents allowed me to have many animals, so I essentially

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<v Speaker 2>grew up on a farm and my studio and just

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<v Speaker 2>having my cousins. I'm half Greek, so is that my

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<v Speaker 2>big fat Greek wedding? The way I grew up with

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<v Speaker 2>my parents home, my auntie's home, my grandma's home, all

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<v Speaker 2>in a row, and we're playing sports in the street, jamming.

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<v Speaker 2>My cousin's are guitar players as well. My dad's a

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<v Speaker 2>guitar player. And I used to you know, I quit

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<v Speaker 2>school when I was fourteen to play in the pubs.

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<v Speaker 2>So I used to pretend I was older than what

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<v Speaker 2>I was. You know, I put on more makeup than

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wearing now, and I used to tease my hair

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<v Speaker 2>up and wear crazy stuff and pretend I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, eighteen to get into the clubs. And the

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<v Speaker 2>worst was when they're like fourteen year old guitar player.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, ah damn, and then that body girl's like

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<v Speaker 2>you're out. So, you know, but I used to play

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<v Speaker 2>three nights a week in Australia, so that was I

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<v Speaker 2>made a pretty good living, I must say. As a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's go back to the beginning. How many kids

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<v Speaker 3>in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Family, just me and my sister.

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<v Speaker 3>Since you're older, younger, she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Younger, but she definitely acts older, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And what is she up to teach days?

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<v Speaker 2>She's an art teacher. She's an incredible artist. She is

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<v Speaker 2>so amazing. She actually designed my oth symbol that I

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<v Speaker 2>use on everything, my signature guitars, I see nature amplifiers,

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<v Speaker 2>my signature vodka which I have about now too many things.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just incredible, and she's very much no, she's very

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<v Speaker 2>centered kind of being like, she's very calming energy, she's

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<v Speaker 2>very she can work on an art piece for like

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<v Speaker 2>ten to twelve hours or not move, whereas I can

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<v Speaker 2>sit with my for six hours and and be, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>completely content. So we were definitely very artsy sort of kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and having parents that supported that. It was wonderful, truly.

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<v Speaker 3>What did your parents do for a living?

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<v Speaker 2>My father was in finance. He's actually retired now so

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's very happy. And my mom, she has had

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<v Speaker 2>many jobs. She was for a model. My mom's also

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<v Speaker 2>a romance writer from Mills and Boone. She's a bestseller.

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<v Speaker 2>And she also works for the government in this really

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a position of working with Aboriginal employment and

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<v Speaker 2>many different things and financing businesses and everything. So she's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>she she works her butt off like my mum. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know how she funds time for herself, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know she's a I guess I get being a

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<v Speaker 2>workaholic from her too. Am I am my dad too.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, are your parents still together?

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<v Speaker 2>They are?

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<v Speaker 3>Yep. Okay, let's back up a little bit. You're a

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<v Speaker 3>little kid. You're just starting to go to school. What

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<v Speaker 3>kind of kid are you? Are you a tomboy? You

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<v Speaker 3>talk about playing in the street. Are you someone who's

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<v Speaker 3>a nerd. Are you someone who is isolated, someone with

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<v Speaker 3>a million friends? What kind of kid do you like?

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of all of that, I'm going to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>I was really weird. I was completely artzy, into the

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<v Speaker 2>music down on the flip side. I was obsessed with sports.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a tomboy. I was on a winning basketball team.

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<v Speaker 2>I love basketball. I love playing. I was a football

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<v Speaker 2>team as well. I played baseball, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>used to do everything. I just I thought I was

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<v Speaker 2>like one of the one of the guys when I

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<v Speaker 2>was a kid, because I was so many like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I all like cousins and friends that picking up the

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<v Speaker 2>guitar because my dad, I wanted to like bond with him.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I saw him playing like Hendrix's one day

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<v Speaker 2>in the living room, I'm like, what's that? Like that's cool,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like I want to be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he played me like the Santana records. So

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<v Speaker 2>it became obsessed with playing guitar. So, you know, wearing

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Hendrix's Tired Eye T shirts and Santana kind of

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<v Speaker 2>inspired crocheted sort of hats and all that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff to school doesn't win you many friends, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>definitely not. And then putting out posters on you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wolves going I want to start a band, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>inspired by BB King, Jimmy Hendrix, DV Ray, Santana. People

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<v Speaker 2>like what is going on?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>So I definitely grew up in a time what There's

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<v Speaker 2>no question about that.

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<v Speaker 3>So when did you pick up the guitar?

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<v Speaker 2>I was six years old and I remember my dad

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<v Speaker 2>taught me like three chords and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is awesome. I'm going to write songs now. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was after the Racis and the first thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>was obsessed with was actually songwriting because of Elvis Presley,

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<v Speaker 2>the Beatles, Roy Orbison, you know, John Lennon, just listening

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<v Speaker 2>to Bob Dylan, listening to you know, just a lyric

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<v Speaker 2>and the storytelling of it all. I really got into

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<v Speaker 2>that first, and then Jimmy Hendrix and Santana and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I studied classical guitar. I played in an

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<v Speaker 2>Orchestra Oklahoma production as a ten year old. I went

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<v Speaker 2>to university when I was ten and studied classical. So

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<v Speaker 2>I studied theory. I yeah, I just always had to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of keep on like learning things. You know, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I just had to always be a busy body and

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<v Speaker 2>do stuff. But for me, classical guitar and learning theory

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<v Speaker 2>was like going to school. And I hated school because

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<v Speaker 2>I hated like people telling me what to do, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it became like very confined. So I got out

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<v Speaker 2>of there. I got past level two with a credit

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<v Speaker 2>and I passed really well. But that was enough for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And my teacher was a bit of an ass as well.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just a real hard ass on me. So

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<v Speaker 2>out of there. Then listened to Santana records and my

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<v Speaker 2>dad took me to a Santana show. Danced the Rainbow

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<v Speaker 2>Dance of the Rainbow Serpent Concert, and I remember were

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in sort of like the back area and he

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<v Speaker 2>went into Europa and those opening notes were so beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going, man, like that is so amazing, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like heavenlyless tone and just everything. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to do that, you know. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>quit classical, became obsessed with playing electric and just learned

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<v Speaker 2>every Santana song basically, and then bb King and CEV

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<v Speaker 2>Ray and all that. But it just kind of put

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<v Speaker 2>me on this sort of tangent of just exploring an

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<v Speaker 2>adventure and just a calling. I think more than anything,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like a calling and purpose and I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to do that for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>my life because I think i'd be five from anything else,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So, Okay, can you read music at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes I can. Yeah, that was part of the studying.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I haven't done it for a minute. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny you kind of want to unlearn all of

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<v Speaker 2>that because when I'm soloing now, especially making records and

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<v Speaker 2>two records right now or completing two then really done.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you're in the studio and I'm playing a

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<v Speaker 2>solo or coming up with stuff, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>think about theory. I don't think about thinking about, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm playing this kind of mode or I'm doing whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But sometimes when it came in handy. When I was

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<v Speaker 2>working actually with A. R. Rahman, he did some dog

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<v Speaker 2>Millionaire and we did the soundtrack for it was a

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<v Speaker 2>number one movie in India, a rock star, and I

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<v Speaker 2>played the guitar and on that, and he called me

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<v Speaker 2>in to do Sata Hark which was actually a big

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<v Speaker 2>anthem in India. It was number one for a very

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<v Speaker 2>long time. So I played all the guitar parts for that,

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<v Speaker 2>so the actor had to come in and learn them.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was all Indian scale, So learning that was

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<v Speaker 2>a whole situation, you know, for a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, yeah, and then recently doing some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff with a Colombian artist who's a major pop star,

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<v Speaker 2>Carol g and she had some stuff in her music

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<v Speaker 2>too which was all these different scales and whatnot, which

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<v Speaker 2>was really interesting. We played rock and rio together. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like two hundred thousand people. That was a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of months ago. But you know, that kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>comes in handy for I don't know, just knowing the scales,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, so yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, there's a strong Australian music scene, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>legendary rock acts, also some pop acts. You're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>acts from an earlier era Santana, BB King Hendrix to

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<v Speaker 3>what deg Weed. Were you paying attention to the Australian

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<v Speaker 3>music market or pop market or were you paying attention

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<v Speaker 3>to the classics?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I loved, obviously listening to quite a few

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<v Speaker 2>Australian bands like growing Up. My mom is a massive

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<v Speaker 2>to me Barnes fans, so you know, I loved listening

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<v Speaker 2>to Coltrees or my dad as well, and then Tommy

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<v Speaker 2>Emmanuel who's an amazing guitar player, so I used to

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<v Speaker 2>go to his shows, and yeah, I mean Savage Garden

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I used to listen to them because I

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<v Speaker 2>thought they were like really cool. It had some really

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<v Speaker 2>good pop songs, and you know, playing out a cover

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<v Speaker 2>band too, I had to learn a lot of pop

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<v Speaker 2>songs and learning how to put like a guitar solo

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<v Speaker 2>in a Kylie Minogue song or like, you know, stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that, because you're playing until three am and you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to play you know, songs off the radio. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's when I actually started listening to the radio when

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<v Speaker 2>I was in a cover band.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you pick up the guitar, you're a songwriter. Does

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<v Speaker 3>your father have a slow of equipment you could just

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<v Speaker 3>use or when do you get a guitar.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad's left handed, so I learned left handed first,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he was like, I think you should learn

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<v Speaker 2>right handed because you're going to have more choice and

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<v Speaker 2>guitars because you get to a guitar store and there's

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<v Speaker 2>like two crappy lets in your left handed ones in

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<v Speaker 2>the corner. The rest are all you know, right handed.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was right about that, but absolutely he converted

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of guitars for me to use as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I must say I was pretty spoiled. When I was

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<v Speaker 2>six years old. I had one two five Gibson to

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<v Speaker 2>use and it was red, and I loved it so much.

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<v Speaker 2>And my dad's like, just be really careful with this, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>just use it at home. And I would sneak it

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.199
<v Speaker 2>and take it to school and play assemblies and with

0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 2>the songs I've written, because I thought the songs were

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 2>so great. I had backup dancers and I would take

0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 2>his amp, his nineteen seventy something Bendor ramp with me

0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.560
<v Speaker 2>with that you know, old one two five and put

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:18.680
<v Speaker 2>it in the back of the car and my mum

0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.040
<v Speaker 2>was like, what's going on. I was a Dad's that's

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:22.920
<v Speaker 2>cool with that. Sorry. And then one time my dad

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:24.480
<v Speaker 2>saw me coming home, He's like, what are you doing.

0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, nothing, nothing to see here, you know, carrying

0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.560
<v Speaker 2>my guitar, carrying his guitar and app but he actually

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:33.119
<v Speaker 2>gave it to me and he was very supportive. And

0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:38.000
<v Speaker 2>then after you know, seeing Santana, I really wanted a

0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Pori smith and for my Christmas and Birthday and I

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.680
<v Speaker 2>don't even know what, my dad got me a PRS.

0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 2>It was very very generous and they were very supportive,

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.560
<v Speaker 2>and then I just saved up for my own gear

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:53.840
<v Speaker 2>from then on, you know, because you just we're working

0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:57.399
<v Speaker 2>three nights a week, so I definitely contributed.

0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:03.600
<v Speaker 3>Oko. How did you actually learn how to play?

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.919
<v Speaker 2>My dad taught me first a few chords, then I

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 2>studied classical. I did have one teacher at the rock shop.

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.159
<v Speaker 2>His name was Rath, remember him. He was great. He

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:17.199
<v Speaker 2>was so he was so excited about music and I

0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:19.359
<v Speaker 2>used to love just jamming with him and bringing songs

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:21.960
<v Speaker 2>to him and he would teach me in different things

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 2>and I'd be like, I want to learn this, and

0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:25.639
<v Speaker 2>he would give me assignments and then after that it

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 2>was mostly I would say I learned the most from

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 2>just listening to records, from putting them on and learning

0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.560
<v Speaker 2>all videos VHS and I would want I would wear

0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:38.320
<v Speaker 2>out VHS my favorite ever. And I say this to

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:43.159
<v Speaker 2>people to always check out Sacred Fire live in Mexico, Santana.

0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, you know, supposedly Dwayne Allman took the guitar to

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:52.920
<v Speaker 3>the bathroom. You know, how much did you practice? How

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 3>devoted were you five.

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 2>To six hours a day or more? And you know

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:00.919
<v Speaker 2>I used to do things like not all kind of

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 2>bad things that my parents are like, don't do this

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 2>or exam and I would do it purposely. Started get

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:06.679
<v Speaker 2>sent to my room. That means perfect, I can go

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.919
<v Speaker 2>sit with my guitar, you know, for hours, because if

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 2>I was just in there for hours, my parents were like,

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:13.680
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you should come out, you know, it's not healthy

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:15.240
<v Speaker 2>for you'd be in your room for like, you know,

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 2>six seven hours, and so yeah, I think that, you know,

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:23.120
<v Speaker 2>for me, I was just obsessed with it. Like you

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.880
<v Speaker 2>can't force anyone to really do anything, but as a kid,

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 2>when you find something to be really like just intriguing.

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 2>And the guitar for me was and it was like

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 2>powerful and still now and a look at it's a

0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:37.439
<v Speaker 2>pretty intimidating instrument. Like it's not like I play it

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.679
<v Speaker 2>the same every day. I don't, and I have I

0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 2>have about fifty guitars in my living room right now,

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 2>which is kind of excessive, but you know, it makes

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.479
<v Speaker 2>me feel comfortable. I sort of feel like they will

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 2>have different personalities and I sit with them and they

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 2>bring out different songs, and yeah, I mean I'm obsessed

0:25:55.560 --> 0:26:00.040
<v Speaker 2>with I'm obsessed with with music and guitar, and I

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone could ever, you know, I don't

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:08.119
<v Speaker 2>know like like distract me from that, either if I'm stuck,

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 2>if I'm in a writing mode, or if I'm rehearsing

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.720
<v Speaker 2>that I'm going to be joining Alice Cooper for ten

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:15.679
<v Speaker 2>shows coming up, so I'm learning like twenty five of

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 2>his songs right now. I'm definitely like, turn everything off,

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 2>leave me alone. Think you know, I'm not gonna be

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:23.640
<v Speaker 2>pretty OCD like that.

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:28.440
<v Speaker 3>If you are not writing a song or not preparing

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.680
<v Speaker 3>for a tour, are you playing the guitar every day

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 3>or just when you know you have work coming up.

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Some days I take a rest because if I've been

0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:40.399
<v Speaker 2>playing shows back to back or whatever it is, my

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:42.720
<v Speaker 2>hands are pretty cut up, you know. And even in

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.239
<v Speaker 2>the studio too. I've been working on two records. I've

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:47.919
<v Speaker 2>been working with Eddie Kramer, who is a legend, you know,

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and that's been a true honor. And by the end

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:54.439
<v Speaker 2>of I think I did five or six hours of

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 2>guitar parts with him the other day, and I had

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 2>the indentse of like all the strings on my hands.

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I left the guitar alone for like a

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 2>day or so after that, because you know, it was painful.

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can't. I don't want to cut my

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 2>hands open. So but other than that, no, I love playing,

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that's the thing that's the most important thing,

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 2>like what you do it for. I get to do

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 2>what I love for a living, and sometimes that what

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I get paiper is like they're traveling and everything else,

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:29.159
<v Speaker 2>because that's crazy sometimes, but I'm very grateful. Having gratitude

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 2>is everything, you know.

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 3>Okay, are you a gear head?

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Somewhat? Not as much as some people. My dad is

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 2>far more than I am. He collects a lot of

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:45.160
<v Speaker 2>pedals like my mom collects shoes. He has the pedal situation.

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:48.679
<v Speaker 2>I collect some pedals and I get given some and

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.679
<v Speaker 2>I use them like I have like a I wouldn't

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 2>say it's a crazy looking pedal board. It just has

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 2>like some really special pedals on there. That makes sense

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.880
<v Speaker 2>to me right now, and I'll change things up later too,

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 2>you know. I think that, you know, it's the thing

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 2>where whatever sort of fits the set, you know, And

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:09.920
<v Speaker 2>right now I'm kind of going for some pretty wild

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 2>sort of tones and working with different producers too, especially

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Eddie and Kevin Shirley too, who produced my producer this

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.879
<v Speaker 2>new record with me, because I've self produced half of

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 2>it and he did the rest. Working with him. He's like,

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 2>try this pedal or try that. So I'm taking suggestions,

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 2>you know. I'm always open hard and open minded with that.

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't like too much stuff though. I like the connection,

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>but I always use the distortion from the amp. And

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 2>I have my own amplifier now, which is very awesome

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 2>to be able to have created my own signature model

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 2>with Orange, which is such a you know, incredible legendary

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 2>like AMP company coming out of England, working with Cliff

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>over there and Pat Foley, and it took about a

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 2>couple of years to make this amp, and I sent

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>back a lot of them and now it's it turned

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 2>out perfect and we sold out. We sold out of them,

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 2>so that was really cool.

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 3>Okay, were you an orange person before you made Rowning.

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Up for a moment? Yes, I didn't.

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Like.

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 2>I tried them out for like about a year or

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>two or maybe more, maybe three years. I was using

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Marshall Evh before that. I went through I have a

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 2>whole like amp graveyard of things because I go through

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 2>them and I'm like, this worked for this tour. I

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:29.239
<v Speaker 2>didn't even know what I used for the Alice Kuper tour.

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 2>I kind of remember, but really high gain ants and whatnot,

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 2>and they'll be out of control, you know. And I

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 2>wanted something that was sort of beastly but not too

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>beastly and then had the you know sound that's super

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 2>big and kind of powerful but not thin sounding. And

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 2>and then I went over to Alexander dumbles home he's

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 2>a very prestigious like ant maker, and spent some time

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 2>with him and when I got listened to his amp,

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like whoa. That sound is like godly like, you know,

0:29:57.760 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 2>and then listen to vintage amps and you go, it's

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>about that the way it just sounds. You just plug

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 2>your guitar straight in and you don't need anything, you know.

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 2>It's that connection. And I wanted to create something like that.

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 2>And I knew that Orange had the power, you know,

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>and I love Marshall too, but the Marshals are newer ones.

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 2>I was using sounds a bit too thin, and I

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:18.479
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's just the ones I got, but

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I just wasn't completely content at that point with them.

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 2>So when Orange came along, I was like, this has power.

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of glorified Marshals that have found but that

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 2>British blues sound. And then we sort of modified it

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 2>and modified it more and more, and then they were like, oh,

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>we want to come out with your signature ramp. And

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, I love I love reverb. Reverb is

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite things. So they were like, okay,

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 2>cool and it. So we called it the the Ori verb.

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of reverb going on and it's

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 2>it's really I love the amp. I really do. My

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 2>neighbors I don't think they really like the ant, but

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 2>you know it's loud.

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 3>So you say it's sold out. Do you have any

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 3>idea how many they made.

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 2>A lot of them. I got to get the right,

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I've got to get the number. But we sold a lot.

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 2>And now we've come out with a crush version which

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 2>is half the price, well actually a quarter the price,

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>so kids can afford it because the other one was

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 2>a little more expensive. And we always do that, like

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>with Gibson. I'm coming out with my epiphone, you know,

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 2>because we my my acoustic, my J two hundred, which

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I did the red one. It was incredible. We created

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>it and it was a third biggest seller next to

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Elvis and Bob Dylan for a J two hundred artist.

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 2>It was crazy that that happened. But they allowed me

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 2>to run wild in the battery and I'm like, I

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 2>want crystals, I want lotus flowers, I want right red.

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I want to make it with a three forty five

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>neck on it. So it was an electric neck on

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 2>an acoustic body, and you know, I just really changed

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff up. So it was I think it's the first

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 2>hybrid acoustic. So it's the playability of it. You can

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 2>play leads on it, right, so you can play whatever

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>you want. And the pickup too. I really sat with

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>LR bags and modified the pickup immensely too.

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, these guitars and amps that are selling so well,

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 3>are they selling purely on the fact that they're that

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 3>good or to what degree are you marketing them? Personally?

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 2>I just think they're just really good. They're quality, they're

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 2>not crappy. So I think that if they were like marketed,

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 2>because you know, there's been a lot of marketing behind it.

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Of course, the companies have done an incredible job and

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 2>having a support of a lot of different outlets too.

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 2>But I think if someone bought it and I was like,

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, this is a piece of crap that

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it would have sold out, you know.

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>And plus I wouldn't put my name to it either,

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 2>because I would feel really bad about that, you know.

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't just put out stuff for the sake of it.

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Okay, you have a signature amp, we're in the studio.

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Are you using other brands or only your own app?

0:32:57.880 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm using other stuff too. I'm using a vintage Champ

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 2>as well, which I I turn up to breaking point

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 2>and that sounds great with my klon And then I

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 2>used to dumble in the studio as well, and then

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 2>I also used what else did I use? That's probably

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 2>that's probably three amps, but mostly most of my leaves

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 2>were done with my orange.

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 3>You can say that, okay, yeah, unlike boast orange, APS

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 3>is not orange. So can you tell me about that?

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 2>It is not orange. It's an orange champ, but it's

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>not orange. That's all I can say. I mean, look,

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to make a cool looking amp and

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 2>I love the white with the you know, the design

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 2>on with the flowers and the black, and it just

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 2>looked very striking to me. With the gold, yeah, I mean,

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to change it up a bit. You know,

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Glenn Hughes has a purple orange, so I wanted to

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 2>have a white and black and gold orange. There's nothing

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 2>really more to it than that.

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 3>So tell me about the fifty guitars.

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 2>They're in my living room right now. That's not including

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 2>my storage in it, or my closets or Australia my

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 2>studio there. But I have quite a few going on here.

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 2>This is my beautiful purple PRS, which I've had for

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 2>a very long time. This is number one, and this

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 2>is my this is my number one guitar. I love

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 2>it so much, and it's one solid piece of like

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.479
<v Speaker 2>Brazilian rosewood, and the pickups in it are the Paul

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 2>By Smith's magical pickups that I have no idea what

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 2>he put in them, but they're magical and I love them.

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 2>And I have like tons of the guitars over here.

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 2>This one here is made for the Alice Cooper shows

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 2>coming up, so I'm actually going to be auctioning this

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 2>off and Alice and I are going to sign the

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.760
<v Speaker 2>guitars I'll be using for the tour, and I'm raising

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 2>money for the Children's Hospital, So I feel really good

0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 2>about that because every night knowing that, you know I'm

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 2>going to be putting a lot of money towards that

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 2>foundation makes me feel good. So we've got three of those,

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty gnarly looking and this one here was given to

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 2>me by one of my very very dear friends. This

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:16.399
<v Speaker 2>is number two ever made of the Jimi Hendrix love

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Drops guitars, so very very amazing, and I'll be using

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:25.920
<v Speaker 2>that I don't know, a special performance so I'm waiting for.

0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 2>And there's all these other guitars too, and more of

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 2>it the other side.

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 3>But yes, you know, I read you have a DS

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 3>three thirty five. You know certain people like Les Pauls

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 3>a certain vintage, certain stratocasters. Are you someone who collects

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 3>that stuff?

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I have quite a few vintage guitars right now

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 2>which I love. My sixty two three thirty five is

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.399
<v Speaker 2>an Argentina gray Burst, very rare. I've been looking for

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 2>a three thirty five for a very long time and

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 2>this one is just amazing. It's my one of my

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 2>favorite guitars ever. I gotta say, it's kind of like

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 2>a fifty nine less poll, but it's like, no, you know, so.

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:09.479
<v Speaker 3>How did you find the ES three thirty five?

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:12.280
<v Speaker 2>You know what? This one came out of a private

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 2>collection and it just appeared one day, so you know

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I and I honestly I was like wow, like this

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 2>when I've actually played quite a few three thirty five

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 2>and I've been looking for the right one for a

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 2>really long time, and then when this one was put

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 2>in my hand, it was like, Okay, this is this

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 2>is the right one. And the same with the the

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:40.479
<v Speaker 2>Telly I got in Japan. It's the nineteen seventy two.

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.359
<v Speaker 2>I believe it. Yeah, it's incredible. This blue Telly, and

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I loved it so much. Had to get that sixty

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 2>three strat as well. I had a fifty nine strat

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 2>which I loved for a minute. Then I got rid

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.359
<v Speaker 2>of it because it wouldn't stay in shune. But you know,

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.240
<v Speaker 2>it depends, you know what I mean. It's like sometimes guitars,

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 2>you need them for a minute and then and then

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I will trade them all or change, you know, because

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 2>it's like I need to be able to play them live,

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, if they can't stay in tune or they're

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 2>just for studio use only, and then they're not. I

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 2>don't think I should be workhorses because I've already been workhorses,

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, like they're vintage for a reason. You don't.

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.959
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't. Plus I would feel a bit weird taking

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 2>out in the road. Have had like six guitars solen

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 2>so fast, so I don't want anymore. No taken.

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.200
<v Speaker 3>So you know, some people get a guitar and they

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 3>tear it apart, they change the pickups, et cetera. Are

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 3>you that type of person?

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 2>No? No, I don't like to change things up on

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>a guitar. If I'm going to get a gitar, I

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 2>don't and there's something is awful about it, and if

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 2>that awful thing was fixed it would be perfect. Then yes,

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 2>but I haven't. I don't think that's really happened with

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 2>a guitar. Yeah, I can really think of unless the guitar,

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 2>unless the tech of mine has done that. But I don't.

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't recall anything being drastically changed to guitars i've purchased.

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 3>No, Okay, you have a deal with PRS, but you

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 3>made an epiphone. What's going on?

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I have a deal with Gibson, have a deal

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 2>with pory Smith, and I have a deal with Orange

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I mean, but the thing is with with

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 2>the pory Smith situation, that's electric and with Gibson it's acoustic.

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 2>So I you know, yes, that's the situation there. So

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm yeah, which is which is awesome because I was

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:31.760
<v Speaker 2>with I was with Martin prior to being with you know, Gibson.

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:34.919
<v Speaker 2>Then I was with Taylor Acoustics before that as well,

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and I had my own Maiden sorry Martin, which was

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 2>an eco friendly Martin. Then I was promoting this Taylor

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Acoustic which they were all great. But when I had

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity on says A, the owner of Gibson approached

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:50.959
<v Speaker 2>me and we had dinner with him and his wife.

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I want to tell Gibson with you. I'm like, okay, well,

0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>i've been so lord a PRS for twenty something plus years.

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I can't do electric, but we could do a hybrid

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 2>acoustic that would be really cool. And he was like, yeah,

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 2>that'll be awesome. And then went to the factory in

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Montana and I was going to go with a white one,

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>but apparently white guitars are very hard to put in production,

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:15.920
<v Speaker 2>so everyone was steering me away from white. They're like,

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 2>whatever you do, tell Veron to do a white one.

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:19.919
<v Speaker 2>Unlet's what we're doing doing a white guitar. Of course,

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 2>it's suppressing. I wanted them. Then I saw the red.

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 2>They had this red colored guitar. It's like a one

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 2>went off or something in the corner. I'm like, oh no,

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.280
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna go with red. So everyone was really happy

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 2>when I said I changed my mind. And then I

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 2>was like, I want to change a pit guard. I

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 2>want to put lotus flowers all over it, and I

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:40.440
<v Speaker 2>puts the train and amethyst crystals on there and and

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 2>make it like a guitar that like no one's really

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 2>seen before. So you know, when it's on a when

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 2>it's next to other guitars, that stands out and people

0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 2>want to buy it. You know, like when you're a kid,

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 2>you want to see a red fire engine, you know,

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like or a red car race car. It's like

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 2>for me, I just kind of went with that, and

0:39:57.280 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I sort of thought like the kid and me, like

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:01.320
<v Speaker 2>I I would want to buy that guitar.

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:05.840
<v Speaker 3>So, okay, you've mentioned a couple of times being a

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 3>kid playing Three Nights Out, Tell me about that.

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was pretty wild. My mom would pick me

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 2>up sometimes at three am, bless her, and it was

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:20.239
<v Speaker 2>a great group of guys that I would be much

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 2>older than me playing, you know, when I was playing

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 2>those cover of gigs and they were long evening three sets,

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, and you play in front of drunken, rowdy

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Australian pub scene of craziness. And yeah, that's why I

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 2>quit school because you know I would show up West

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 2>very West wil Weare the next morning at school, you know,

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:43.320
<v Speaker 2>and what's wrong with you? And like I just you know,

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 2>played night before and I'd still have like, you know,

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 2>bright blue eyeshadow on and glitter all over me still

0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 2>and tried to scrub it off and be sent to

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 2>the detention room because I'd be unruly or something, because

0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.319
<v Speaker 2>I'd be always getting into it with the teachers like oh,

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 2>you don't why are you looking so weird? Like I

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know, man, like you know, it was always weird

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.120
<v Speaker 2>for me. So I just I had enough of that

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of authority situation at school. It was just I

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know, at one point, I just felt like they're

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:15.800
<v Speaker 2>just picking our meat. It It wasn't just the kids,

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 2>because I got bullied at school, but it was it

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:19.479
<v Speaker 2>was kind of the teachers too, that went very nice.

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Some of them were, but some of them weren't. They

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:24.760
<v Speaker 2>were very conservative, and I guess they were thinking, oh,

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 2>this is a very strange, strange child. You know. So

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 2>I had enough of that.

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:36.720
<v Speaker 3>How did you join that behind? What was the trajectory

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 3>in terms of playing out and then finding these gentlemen

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 3>that you were playing with continuously?

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I just sort of I don't actually

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:48.919
<v Speaker 2>know how it really happened through a friend. I guess

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.919
<v Speaker 2>I met this songwriter friend when I saw my first

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 2>management deal when I was like fourteen, and then he

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 2>got me into playing acoustic shows. Actually yeah, his name

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:00.359
<v Speaker 2>was Roger, I remember this. So we started writing songs

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:02.839
<v Speaker 2>together and then he was like, we should do an

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 2>acoustic duo thing and pubs, and then that sort of

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 2>sprout into doing cover band stuff. So yeah, it was

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 2>a friend. He was much older and a songwriter in

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 2>our lat Australia.

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 3>So okay, So you continued to play with the same band,

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 3>the same guys pretty much.

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a couple of different sort of lineups. I

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 2>should say it because we had like three nights a

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 2>week with different bands and one was Cooled Drop D

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 2>which is a cover band and I would share vocals,

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and then the other one was with another friend of

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.879
<v Speaker 2>mine that I'll do the acoustic duo thing as well

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 2>with my friend.

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:41.080
<v Speaker 3>How much money could you make?

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 2>God, I think it was quite a bit. I think

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>for a kid. I don't know. It was like three

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:49.880
<v Speaker 2>p fifty a night to four hundred. Yeah, so I

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:53.800
<v Speaker 2>was making a lot more than other fourteen year olds,

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:55.319
<v Speaker 2>so you know.

0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:59.359
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So at what age do you start making your

0:42:59.400 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 3>own record?

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Fourteen? First record?

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 3>And what do you do for equipment? How do you

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:08.719
<v Speaker 3>learn how to use it? How do you do it.

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 2>So my dad he learned how to use recording gear.

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 2>He had a task can so he cleared out the

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 2>living room, which is called the rumpus room at the time,

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:21.280
<v Speaker 2>and we got some musicians, the best ones in Auvlade

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 2>and my dad he was like, let's do a record

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.359
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, hey, cool, and so we did

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 2>some covers on there, like Eric Clapton covers covered Santana

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.799
<v Speaker 2>and then I had a couple originals on there and

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 2>it was called Under the Influence and I did that

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 2>at fourteen, and you know, it's just kind of weird

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:40.239
<v Speaker 2>to name it that, but it was because it was

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 2>under the influence of these amazing, you know, guitar players,

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:45.799
<v Speaker 2>and I covered their songs. So we got the band

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 2>in the living room and blessed my mother because it

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.839
<v Speaker 2>looked like terrible, like we've destroyed the whole kitchen living

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>room area, and my dad miked everything up and he

0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 2>recorded it. So I recorded that with my dad. Yeah,

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 2>my first first ever EP.

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, was this the record that was signed to Universal

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Australia or is this before that?

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 2>No, that was way before that. We're not way I

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:09.839
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't say.

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:10.880
<v Speaker 3>So.

0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 2>I was about sixteen seventeen when I actually learned how

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 2>to engineer and produce myself. So my dad's like he

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 2>took me to a studio, one of the top studios

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 2>in Adelaide, Australia, and I sat with the people there

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:23.799
<v Speaker 2>and I learned how to mic things properly, how to

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, learn how to use this role In twenty

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 2>four eighty so I had two of those and I

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 2>lined them up together. So I had two twenty four

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 2>track recorders digital workstations, and I would hook them up

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.759
<v Speaker 2>to these NS tens and learn how to you know,

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:43.440
<v Speaker 2>mic everything correctly. Find the right A vocal microphone was

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 2>really important too, which I used E Rhodes, which is

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Australian brand, and then just different you know, compressors and

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 2>different things, and then how to play the drums and

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:56.800
<v Speaker 2>how to mic drums. And I would spend hours sitting

0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 2>at the studio with the guys there at I think

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.759
<v Speaker 2>it was Cooled Fat Tracks Recording studio in Adelaide, and

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 2>then some friends would come over and show me as well.

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:07.360
<v Speaker 2>My dad would help me a lot as well, so

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I kind of just absorbed all of that also reading

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 2>about it, got books on it, and then I was like, Okay,

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to learn how to play all these instruments.

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do everything myself. Prince was a big

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 2>influence on me because Prince would do everything himself. So

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm going to do that too.

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Say okay, the original EP. Did you sell it to

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 3>people or just make it?

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 2>We just sent it out to everyone. I think my dad,

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 2>my mom. We sent it out too different. I don't

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 2>even know who I got signed to. Sorry, a management

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 2>team in Australia, so different different labels in Australia, and

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I got a lot of rejection letters going, we don't

0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:50.839
<v Speaker 2>know what to do with a young fourteen year old

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:54.880
<v Speaker 2>girl who just plays instrumental music. You know that's not

0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 2>really going to work. And then I got that's when

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I send it to Pori Smith Guitars and Santana management.

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 2>I got a message back from actually Santana's brother, you're

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Agay Santana and then hey, you say in yeah, and

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 2>so he would. He wrote me back and said we've

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.680
<v Speaker 2>been listening to it in the office and Carlos absolutely

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 2>loves it. And that was a huge honor. In the

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 2>email back from him, and then from Poris Smith guitars.

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:24.719
<v Speaker 2>He wanted me to come over to the Nam Show,

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.200
<v Speaker 2>but I was way too young. And then I finally

0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 2>did go over there and I was a bit older,

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 2>but getting the support of you know, Pori Smith Guitars

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 2>and Santana Management. I got like a review in Classic

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Rock magazine or Classic Guitar Magazine in the UK. They

0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:44.280
<v Speaker 2>did a review on it, which was awesome. And then yeah,

0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:45.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess I just got to I got

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 2>to management sort of deal out of that too. In Australia,

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:50.839
<v Speaker 2>so I got to open for Zizi Top when I

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 2>was like fifteen sixteen, and then opening for Steve Via,

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:58.240
<v Speaker 2>playing Adelaide, five hundred car Race, Suzi Quatro, like tons

0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 2>of things, and I think that Coca Cola Festival. I

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 2>did a lot of like things in Australia before coming

0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:08.480
<v Speaker 2>over here. Yeah, it was a wild ride for sure.

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 2>And so you know, knowing Billy Gibbons since I was

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:15.560
<v Speaker 2>like sixteen, I'm playing his birthday party tomorrow at the Tributor,

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 2>So that's going to be cool.

0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:29.399
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So the record that you made that you made

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:33.359
<v Speaker 3>a deal with Universal, did you play all the instruments.

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:37.359
<v Speaker 2>Are the one in Australia. Yeah, that's the one. I yes,

0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:40.239
<v Speaker 2>So I did everything myself and then we distributed, got

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:43.440
<v Speaker 2>to deal with Universal after it was done.

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:47.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and your experience with management at that time good

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:48.280
<v Speaker 3>or bad?

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Interesting? Yeah. It was three people and they all had

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:59.120
<v Speaker 2>different opinions and they were all pretty connected in Australia

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 2>and Adelaide, and it was it was interesting. Let me

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 2>leave it at that.

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:10.879
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, okay, So what year do you ultimately come

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 3>to America.

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 2>God, I think it was two thousand and three, less

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 2>than two, but I got it. I don't even know,

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 2>to be honest with you, it was really Yeah, it

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:23.319
<v Speaker 2>was early on.

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 3>Okay, how did you make it to the point where

0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:31.240
<v Speaker 3>ended up being in Michael Jackson's band.

0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I was signed with Interscope, I was making my record.

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I was in the studio with the legendary Diane Warren.

0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:42.080
<v Speaker 2>I was cutting a song with her, and I had

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.439
<v Speaker 2>my Space going on. I think everyone had my Space

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:46.280
<v Speaker 2>that are going at that point, and I was checking

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:49.279
<v Speaker 2>my messages and we had a break. I needed a

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:52.120
<v Speaker 2>vocal break or something, and I was checking messages and whatnot,

0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 2>and message came up. Michael Jackson saw you at the

0:48:56.680 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Grammy Awards with Carrie Underwood. You're exactly what he's looking for?

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Or can you learn his songs and come in tomorrow?

0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 2>You know he wants to hire you. I'm going this

0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 2>is crazy. So I went over to Diana. I said,

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 2>do you think this is real? Do you think this

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.719
<v Speaker 2>is some I think it's crazy. She was like, it

0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:13.400
<v Speaker 2>looks kind of real to me. I was like, Okay,

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 2>call my manager. I was signed to nineteen Entertainment. I

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:20.040
<v Speaker 2>was the first non idol to be signed to Simon

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Fuller and so my manager at the time, I said, hey,

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 2>could you respond to this presson because I think this

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 2>is real? Because this looks pretty cool. I'm like, yeah,

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:29.800
<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm kind of making an album with like Interoscope,

0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:31.160
<v Speaker 2>but like this would be kind of cool to play

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:35.000
<v Speaker 2>guitar for, you know, Michael Jackson. So he wrote him

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.399
<v Speaker 2>and he was legit and Michael called me that night

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:40.160
<v Speaker 2>and it was from Michael Bearden, who was a dear

0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:42.680
<v Speaker 2>friend of mine and Michael Jackson. They both called me

0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 2>and they were like, could you come in tomorrow learn

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 2>beat it want to be starting something and Dory Diana

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and then we're going to start like rehearsals. So I

0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, that sounds amazing and oh my god, okay,

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.919
<v Speaker 2>so got home cranked up my amplifier. I was living

0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:00.920
<v Speaker 2>at the Plaza at the time, which is a crazy

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:06.440
<v Speaker 2>building in West Hollywood, and I just was up all

0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:09.239
<v Speaker 2>night trying to learn to beat it solo. And that

0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:11.799
<v Speaker 2>was quite something. And I think my neighbors were like,

0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:14.680
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, we've moved in next to a crazy

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson back and I had a Pomrangeum dog barking.

0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:20.680
<v Speaker 2>It was pretty insane. And next morning, next afternoon, she

0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:23.960
<v Speaker 2>say went down to Center staging, Michael Jackson walks in

0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 2>the room. I want to hear beat it. I'm like,

0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:29.240
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I'm so nervous. I was like crazy.

0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:31.880
<v Speaker 2>And then afterwards he's like, okay, you're hired. I'm like,

0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:34.840
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I don't even know. It was wild.

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:38.440
<v Speaker 2>It was a crazy time. So that's how that came about.

0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:41.320
<v Speaker 2>And then I signed a non disclosure form or whatever,

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I couldn't tell anybody that I got

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 2>the gig, so the label found out later.

0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so you're working with Michael Jackson. One has

0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:59.400
<v Speaker 3>to ask up close and personal what's Michael Jackson?

0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Like, Wow, his energy was was wild, Like he walked

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:07.600
<v Speaker 2>into a room and it's like, oh my god, that's

0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson. Like being a kid and watching his shows

0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:13.360
<v Speaker 2>on TV, you know, larger than life. He comes in.

0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 2>He's just freaking star, I mean, you know. And he

0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 2>was so sweet. It was very very sweet. And he

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:23.320
<v Speaker 2>was very obsessed with making everything perfect. He was a perfectionist.

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:26.880
<v Speaker 2>So I learned so much from him. Attention to detail

0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:32.399
<v Speaker 2>was very important, just taking things even more seriously than

0:51:32.400 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I did, I think, you know. And and just when

0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 2>he honed it on tones, he was very particular about

0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:41.960
<v Speaker 2>everything when it came down to, you know, guitar tones,

0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:45.799
<v Speaker 2>it just drum sounds. Everything. He would tell me, you

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 2>know what, I don't like that amp could he change

0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:50.279
<v Speaker 2>the ampower tomorrow. I'm like, okay, all right, I don't

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:52.560
<v Speaker 2>like the guitar, or I like that guitar. Keep that one,

0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:54.840
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so he would be listening to everything,

0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:57.440
<v Speaker 2>which I found to be quite amazing, and he's like,

0:51:57.560 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 2>just don't be don't be scared, like step out like

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:03.600
<v Speaker 2>into people like give you all, like really be what

0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:05.840
<v Speaker 2>you're meant to be, what you're born to do. He

0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:08.080
<v Speaker 2>gave me a lot of confidence. A lot of people

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:11.840
<v Speaker 2>don't I think. I think the media really tore him apart,

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.440
<v Speaker 2>which was not cool in a lot of ways because

0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:18.600
<v Speaker 2>he was very eccentric, very eccentric man, of course, but

0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:21.000
<v Speaker 2>he cared about a lot of people, and the way

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:24.359
<v Speaker 2>that he treated everyone was very kind. So I have enough.

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:27.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't have any bad things to say about him

0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 2>or weird things to say, aside from towards the end,

0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:34.359
<v Speaker 2>he just seemed really worn out, very tired, and I

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:35.680
<v Speaker 2>was concerned about him for sure.

0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:38.399
<v Speaker 3>How did you find out that he died?

0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Mourning of We were rehearsing until twelve or one am,

0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:47.719
<v Speaker 2>and he was excited. He said, I can't wait to

0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:52.200
<v Speaker 2>see you guys tomorrow. Were days away from leaving for London.

0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:57.239
<v Speaker 2>We had our apartments and everything, and he said, I

0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 2>remember him coming up to me giving a big hard gooing.

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited about doing this, you can't imagine. I

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:03.839
<v Speaker 2>can't wait for my kids to see this, to see

0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.920
<v Speaker 2>me perform again. You know, I can't wait for the fans,

0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:10.279
<v Speaker 2>he said. I'm a bit nervous, he said about you

0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>know how you know the reviews will be I know,

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I know he was nervous about it because he was

0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 2>coming back out again and this was a big thing.

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:20.279
<v Speaker 2>But he said, you know, this show is going to

0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:22.520
<v Speaker 2>be incredible like no one else has ever seen before.

0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:24.359
<v Speaker 2>And it was. It was wild, all the stuff that's

0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:27.840
<v Speaker 2>being added. But he was very excited. And that's what

0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the craziest thing was. I think he just he couldn't

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:32.880
<v Speaker 2>sleep and he was stressed out, and there's a lot

0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:34.359
<v Speaker 2>of pressure on him. There's a lot of money put

0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:37.879
<v Speaker 2>into it. There was, you know, I mean I feel

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the pressure, you know, on a much smaller scale. He

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:43.320
<v Speaker 2>had like hundreds of millions of dollars put into this situation.

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 2>He couldn't sleep, and he wore himself down everyone, I

0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:49.480
<v Speaker 2>mean around. It was like this pressure cooker, you know,

0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:52.800
<v Speaker 2>and he really just spent too so much time. I

0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:54.680
<v Speaker 2>don't think he took time for himself. I really don't.

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I think he as a lot of artists, you know,

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:01.239
<v Speaker 2>we are quite obsessive about things, so you want things

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:03.239
<v Speaker 2>to be perfect. And I think he was such an

0:54:03.280 --> 0:54:06.480
<v Speaker 2>extreme artist like that that, you know, it was a

0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:09.120
<v Speaker 2>lot on his shoulders and he just wanted to be incredible.

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:11.000
<v Speaker 2>So I feel ardored that I spent that time with

0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:11.840
<v Speaker 2>him truly.

0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:15.719
<v Speaker 3>So how did you find out and how did you

0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:16.759
<v Speaker 3>cope thereafter?

0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Found out? For my manager, he called that morning because

0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:22.399
<v Speaker 2>I was getting ready to go to rehearsal. He goes,

0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:25.799
<v Speaker 2>did you hear the news? And I'm like, no, what's

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:30.000
<v Speaker 2>going on? He goes, Michael's past and I'm like what,

0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:34.479
<v Speaker 2>Like I was like no, like no way, Like are

0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:37.239
<v Speaker 2>you joking, dude? Like, what's going on? He goes? And

0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:41.440
<v Speaker 2>then I literally was like in shock. Like everyone was

0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:43.920
<v Speaker 2>just completely I don't even know how to plain it right,

0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:48.279
<v Speaker 2>like with someone that evening to one am nothing wrong.

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Get there to the rehearsal, Everyone's like crying and I'm going,

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:56.160
<v Speaker 2>what happened? And then there was just no one really told,

0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:58.720
<v Speaker 2>no one really said anything. You know, it was weird.

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.719
<v Speaker 2>It was really weird. Can't I can't explain to you

0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:06.480
<v Speaker 2>the amount of weirdness and sadness and disbelief and shock

0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:09.400
<v Speaker 2>that that still stays with I think everyone that was

0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:12.200
<v Speaker 2>a part of that, you know, because we became family.

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:14.399
<v Speaker 2>We were together for like four months or something like that,

0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:17.200
<v Speaker 2>three or four months like rehearsing, and you know, it

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 2>was intense. So yeah, it was like we're losing a friend,

0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, someone that you saw every day, like your

0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:27.960
<v Speaker 2>fast friend. Then you know a legend as well, and

0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 2>and then you're just like wow. So it was pretty

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:32.360
<v Speaker 2>pretty crazy.

0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:35.279
<v Speaker 3>So how soon after that did you go back to

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:36.480
<v Speaker 3>work doing whatever?

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, my album was done with Interscope, so that was

0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:46.600
<v Speaker 2>ready to go, and I had to fulfill that obligation

0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:49.320
<v Speaker 2>of putting out my record, you know, with into Scope

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:51.880
<v Speaker 2>so they, to be honest with you, I didn't have

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:58.360
<v Speaker 2>enough time to really and kind of stick with my

0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:01.520
<v Speaker 2>emotions really, so it wasn't healthy. I'm not going to

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:03.840
<v Speaker 2>say it was, because it was like, okay, he passed away.

0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm on the news everywhere. You know, It's like that

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:10.280
<v Speaker 2>clip was played everywhere. You know, it was wild and everyone.

0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:13.120
<v Speaker 2>I was hounded, like I'd never seen anything quite like

0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:16.319
<v Speaker 2>quite like it, you know, even going to rehearsals. We

0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:19.920
<v Speaker 2>have paparazzi rehearsal following us everywhere. Once I found out

0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:22.000
<v Speaker 2>who was part of the band, everything, and I want

0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:24.200
<v Speaker 2>to know a lot about it. Once he passed, I

0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:27.040
<v Speaker 2>was hounded. I couldn't even walk down the street, arrived

0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:31.839
<v Speaker 2>at an airport without you know, like people with things

0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:34.320
<v Speaker 2>for me to sign, or cameras on me asking about

0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 2>him or what had happened and all this stuff, and

0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.160
<v Speaker 2>it was insane. And then on top of that, the

0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:41.800
<v Speaker 2>labels like, okay, we're putting out your record. So having

0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:44.600
<v Speaker 2>the record, you know, come out according to you, come

0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:47.080
<v Speaker 2>out without doing very well, but then you have on

0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the flip side this darkness which I hadn't dealt with

0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:55.239
<v Speaker 2>emotionally from him passing it. I wasn't happy, to be

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:56.560
<v Speaker 2>honest with you, like I had a lot of success,

0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:59.959
<v Speaker 2>but I wasn't happy because I didn't know how to feel.

0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 2>You know. It's weird to process, you know.

0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:07.400
<v Speaker 3>So originally you were going to go for months in

0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:11.799
<v Speaker 3>England to play with Michael Jackson. Was the record going

0:57:11.840 --> 0:57:14.120
<v Speaker 3>to be delayed until you were done? And then they

0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:16.000
<v Speaker 3>moved it up after Michael passed.

0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the plan. I don't know what the

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:20.400
<v Speaker 2>plan was, to be honest with you. Maybe it was

0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:22.520
<v Speaker 2>going to be put out as I was out there

0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.040
<v Speaker 2>in between, right so I would I would put out

0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:27.160
<v Speaker 2>a single, I'll still be playing the shows and I'll

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:29.600
<v Speaker 2>be promoting over there. I don't know what the whole

0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:32.440
<v Speaker 2>plan was, to be honest, with you. I don't know,

0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:34.040
<v Speaker 2>but probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, if you come to LA at two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 3>when is that meeting with Jimmy I being at his house?

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, I don't even know. It was a wild time.

0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I kind of remember.

0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:53.640
<v Speaker 3>I guess what I'm asking is this, you come to LA,

0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:57.120
<v Speaker 3>what's your personal plan? What work do you get after

0:57:57.120 --> 0:57:57.560
<v Speaker 3>you come?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So when I first came to LA, I was

0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:04.640
<v Speaker 2>playing in the nam Booth with PRS guitars, right, so

0:58:04.680 --> 0:58:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I would play in the Nambooth and then so twenty

0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:10.560
<v Speaker 2>other three four five. Yeah, then I got a deal.

0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:13.520
<v Speaker 2>So around then so came here, coming back and forth

0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:15.960
<v Speaker 2>all the time. Then I actually moved when I got

0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the deal. So when I got signed to Jimmy and

0:58:19.080 --> 0:58:21.880
<v Speaker 2>he was like, okay, we're making the record. That took

0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:23.880
<v Speaker 2>a while, of course, back and forth to you know,

0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:27.200
<v Speaker 2>get the deal done. And then I made the move

0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:29.840
<v Speaker 2>for I don't know the exact time, to be honest

0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:32.000
<v Speaker 2>with you. It was such a craziness, like going back

0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:36.280
<v Speaker 2>and forth. But after playing for Jimmy, playing for Ron Fair,

0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:39.080
<v Speaker 2>they decided they gave me actually a really good deal.

0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I've got a great publishing deal too, with Universal and

0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:45.080
<v Speaker 2>it was all kind of happening at once and then

0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:48.480
<v Speaker 2>and then it was just straight into writing.

0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, you mentioned that you played with Kirie Underwood. Had

0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:57.680
<v Speaker 3>you been going on the road with other racks or

0:58:58.040 --> 0:59:00.040
<v Speaker 3>was this just a one off with Kirie under.

0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:04.040
<v Speaker 2>No, we had the same manager, someone Fuller. So she was,

0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:08.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the offices walking around and she's like,

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:11.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do the Grammy Awards because I heard

0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:13.760
<v Speaker 2>your hard playing girl. Would you join me? That'd be awesome.

0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, the Grammys. That sounds amazing. So I was

0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:19.320
<v Speaker 2>like totally blown away that she would ask me. And

0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 2>she's so sweet, I mean incredible. I just saw her

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.120
<v Speaker 2>the other day at her Vegas residency and what an

0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:28.880
<v Speaker 2>incredible talent she is and such a down to earth person,

0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:31.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it was so kind of her to

0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:35.240
<v Speaker 2>invite me. And I remember walking up on stage with her,

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:39.320
<v Speaker 2>and you know, BB King was sitting there in the

0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:42.480
<v Speaker 2>green room eating a bunch of crawfish and I don't

0:59:42.480 --> 0:59:45.960
<v Speaker 2>even know he had this bib on eating and I

0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.120
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, BB King And I said, hey, like,

0:59:49.160 --> 0:59:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm such a massive ban I don't want to annoy

0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:53.680
<v Speaker 2>you by anything. She goes, hey, young, young lady, what

0:59:53.720 --> 0:59:54.920
<v Speaker 2>can I do for I'm like, can I have a

0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:56.880
<v Speaker 2>photo with you? I know you're eating and stuff. He's like,

0:59:57.160 --> 0:59:59.200
<v Speaker 2>He's like absolutely, he said, what are you doing here?

0:59:59.240 --> 1:00:01.280
<v Speaker 2>I said, I want I played tonight. He goes, will

1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:03.600
<v Speaker 2>you go right there? A new rocket? Okay? And I

1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:04.880
<v Speaker 2>was like all right, And I remember him saying that

1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:07.280
<v Speaker 2>it was so sweet as he was eating and he's like,

1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:09.800
<v Speaker 2>took a photo with me. And then I went out

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<v Speaker 2>there and I rehearsed and then we played and Paul

1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:17.480
<v Speaker 2>McCartney was in the audience, Keith Urban, all these people Bono, Like,

1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:19.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, you look out there and you go, what

1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:20.600
<v Speaker 2>the hell is going on here?

1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:21.160
<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm very thankful to carry Underwood because after doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>that sparked, like, you know, Michael Jackson saw me and

1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I got, you know, that opportunity and and yeah, I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Simon Fuller was an incredible manager too, and

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<v Speaker 2>and that whole team nineteen were great when I was

1:00:40.880 --> 1:00:44.240
<v Speaker 2>with them for a while. And then then I made

1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:46.640
<v Speaker 2>the record with Howard Benson and he was awesome to

1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:49.800
<v Speaker 2>work with. Desmond Child was one of the first songwriters

1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:54.120
<v Speaker 2>I worked with which was insane. Yeah, Desmond and I

1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:56.080
<v Speaker 2>became very fast friends. He was awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you talk about meeting bb K, what were the

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<v Speaker 3>two best experiences of meeting an idol?

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, just say meeting meeting Santana for the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that was awesome. He's like my other dad,

1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:20.520
<v Speaker 2>he really is. I met him and he was so gracious,

1:01:20.560 --> 1:01:23.360
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, okay, you play my guitar and

1:01:24.280 --> 1:01:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I'll play yours, and let's jam backstage. And in Australian

1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Adelaide Memorial Drive fifteen thousand people, twenty thousand people was

1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:34.160
<v Speaker 2>playing too, and we jammed and he's like, okay, you're

1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:37.720
<v Speaker 2>joining me tonight on stage and I'm like, oh my god, okay,

1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:39.480
<v Speaker 2>and well songs are be playing. It didn't tell me,

1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:41.919
<v Speaker 2>so I was like, I followed him on stage, plug

1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:44.240
<v Speaker 2>me in. I stayed up for like most of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was like fifty minutes of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and he would turn to me, Okay, you solo now,

1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:50.680
<v Speaker 2>you slo now, and thank god, I've learned his entire catalog,

1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:53.680
<v Speaker 2>so I knew what you know. But it was definitely

1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:55.600
<v Speaker 2>throwing me into the ocean to see if I could

1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:59.160
<v Speaker 2>swim and do it. And I guess you know, they

1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:00.800
<v Speaker 2>had that happened to them and when they were younger,

1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:02.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, they had to, you know, at a very

1:02:02.800 --> 1:02:04.720
<v Speaker 2>young age, get up on stage in front of a

1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:06.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of people and see if they could do it.

1:02:06.800 --> 1:02:09.080
<v Speaker 2>And they did the same thing. You know, Carlos believed

1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:11.200
<v Speaker 2>in me enough to have me on the stage, to

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<v Speaker 2>throw me into that situation to go, okay, girl, can

1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:17.600
<v Speaker 2>you can you bring it? You know, and in a

1:02:17.680 --> 1:02:21.160
<v Speaker 2>very loving way. But I was just like, man, after that,

1:02:21.400 --> 1:02:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh I can do this. I got

1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:26.320
<v Speaker 2>never really nervous, but I can do it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you got to do that. It's very zero to

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred. But that's that's life. It's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not it's not normal.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you tell me about meeting another idol?

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<v Speaker 2>Another idol? Gosh, I've met so many. Paul McCartney I met.

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<v Speaker 2>He came to the studio when I was working out

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<v Speaker 2>in Vancouver and I actually went to his Auntie's ninety

1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:53.920
<v Speaker 2>ninth birthday party. That was really it was crazy. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>he came past the studio on his bike and I

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<v Speaker 2>was making a record there with Bob Rock, and Richie Sambora,

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<v Speaker 2>and he came in and I was playing acoustic guitar

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<v Speaker 2>in the control room. Didn't know it was I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know it was Paul because he was dressed in the

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<v Speaker 2>tracks and a hat, and I thought he was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the I was very embarrassed, mind you, this very

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassing because he's one of my favorite songwriters. And I

1:03:22.360 --> 1:03:24.320
<v Speaker 2>turned to him and I had this guitar I was playing,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't quite right. So I turned him with

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<v Speaker 2>a guitar and said, hey, can you get me another guitar?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I was like, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>about this one. It's kind of not really doing it

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<v Speaker 2>for me. And he's like, oh hi, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>this accident. I was like, oh my god, it's Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I'm sorry. This is so bad. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, what an honor to meet you.

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<v Speaker 2>And and and then he's like, can you play something

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<v Speaker 2>for me? And someone actually filmed I have on my

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<v Speaker 2>iPhone somewhere me playing for Poul. He said can you

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<v Speaker 2>play me some things? And I was playing his fingerpick stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, I love that, it sounds great. And then

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<v Speaker 2>that evening we all went to his auntie's birthday party

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<v Speaker 2>and she was eating this chocolate mudcake at like twelve am,

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<v Speaker 2>and we all had martiniz me and you know, and

1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:12.840
<v Speaker 2>we'll actually not Bob Rocks sober, but Abe Laboria was there,

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<v Speaker 2>the drummer and his band and everybody, and we all

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<v Speaker 2>just hung out and yeah, it was awesome and Paul

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<v Speaker 2>was super super sweet, like such an awesome person and

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<v Speaker 2>so m again, not too long ago at the Sphere,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the opening night of the Sphere to

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<v Speaker 2>see YouTube that was really cool. So yeah, he's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>an idol of mind the Beatles, I mean incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, how did it end with nineteen and Simon Fuller?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Simon he sold the company, right, so it changed

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when, yeah, things sort of I left. I

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<v Speaker 2>just left out that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess people had allocated like managers there within the company,

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<v Speaker 2>but I decided to leave the whole thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and the manager that I had assigned to me, the

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<v Speaker 2>day to day person and whatnot. But then I went

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<v Speaker 2>through a barrage of managers. I'm not going to say

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<v Speaker 2>how many managers I've been through, because that just sounds bad,

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<v Speaker 2>but a healthy amount of managers I have been through,

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<v Speaker 2>and all I can say is this, if a manager

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<v Speaker 2>understands exactly where you want to go, and they walk

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<v Speaker 2>beside you and you work together in harmony, and things

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<v Speaker 2>can really Like Alice Cooper and Chep Gordon were amazing

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<v Speaker 2>and together and you know, or it's like Joe Bonamaster

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<v Speaker 2>and his manager, and there's quite a few others too

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<v Speaker 2>as examples, but you know, Share and her manager, Roger Davies.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you understand each other and it works. But if

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't, if the manager doesn't have quite the same vision,

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<v Speaker 2>or they don't bring anything to the table and they

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<v Speaker 2>just have their hands out and they take twenty percent

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<v Speaker 2>or fifteen percent of what you're making and your everything

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<v Speaker 2>in and they're just telling you what to do, not

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<v Speaker 2>going to work. So and my experience with managers has

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<v Speaker 2>been kind of that, to be honest with you, since

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<v Speaker 2>Salm and Fuller. I mean a lot of them tried

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<v Speaker 2>but didn't really understand exactly where I wanted to go

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<v Speaker 2>or what I wanted to do, you know, or they

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't listen to me as much. You know, they had

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<v Speaker 2>their own idea and that's not that's not cool. They

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<v Speaker 2>should you should be able to work together as a

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<v Speaker 2>proper team. And look, I still am friends with most

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<v Speaker 2>of my ex managers, but some of them were distracted

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<v Speaker 2>with other artists that were massive and they were dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with things with them, and they didn't have the time

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So you've got to choose wisely, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I can say.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but your self managed now I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I have an incredible team though. I have an amazing

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<v Speaker 2>attorney and a whole team there. I have a great

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<v Speaker 2>tour manager he does my day to day as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I have incredible business management and I have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of manager friends that will step in when

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<v Speaker 2>I need them to, so they're on call and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very grateful for that.

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<v Speaker 3>How much time in a day do you spend on business?

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<v Speaker 2>Five hours? Maybe that's a lot of time off and on. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>my phone sometimes will attack me if I wake up

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<v Speaker 2>late because I'm working on a song. I'm like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, I got to deal with this. So a

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<v Speaker 2>lot many things. And now that I've launched my own

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<v Speaker 2>you know, vodka as well, that's I'm really excited about that.

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<v Speaker 2>My amplifiers we're doing some more stuff for that for press,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm you know, doing a lot of interviews and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>for Australian tour coming up. And then yeah, I literally

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<v Speaker 2>go to Australia, come home here for a day, that

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<v Speaker 2>I leave for Saudi Arabia, then I come back here

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<v Speaker 2>for a week, then I leave for Alice Cooper and

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<v Speaker 2>I come back here and I'm gonna take a short

1:07:46.720 --> 1:07:49.600
<v Speaker 2>break because I need it so don't combust. And then

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<v Speaker 2>then we're going to Europe. Then we're going to Brazil.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we're going to Japan, and then we released the

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<v Speaker 2>two albums. So I'm doing the three piece, which is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the band.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all for that second we're going to get there.

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<v Speaker 3>So are you self managed because you're burned out on

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<v Speaker 3>all the experiences or if the right person came along,

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<v Speaker 3>would you try again?

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<v Speaker 2>If the right person came along, I'll definitely try again

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<v Speaker 2>one d percent. It has to be an energy thing though,

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<v Speaker 2>that would have to be very very driven, have a

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<v Speaker 2>very clear path as to what they saw they could

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<v Speaker 2>bring to the table. For me, I couldn't do myself.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I just have a real understanding of who

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<v Speaker 2>I am as an artist and person too. They've got

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<v Speaker 2>to be your friend, you know, but definitely be bringing

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<v Speaker 2>stuff to the table. Have that gravity because and be

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<v Speaker 2>alpha two because I'm quite alpha myself. So if someone's

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<v Speaker 2>not sure, they're sort of like, yeah, let's do this

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<v Speaker 2>or that. I don't like that, and I can't work

1:08:50.720 --> 1:08:52.360
<v Speaker 2>with producers like that either. I've got to work with

1:08:52.400 --> 1:08:55.080
<v Speaker 2>someone who's very sure of themselves, very sure about what

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<v Speaker 2>they want to do, and that to me is very important.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not ruling it out. If the right manager

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<v Speaker 2>comes along, I am totally open, hard and open minded

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<v Speaker 2>to that for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>So tell me about after the Interscope experience making a

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<v Speaker 3>record with Dave Stewart, how does that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was invited by Dave to do the Stand

1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Up to Cancer event which is televised and many people

1:09:22.200 --> 1:09:25.280
<v Speaker 2>are part of that, Joss Stone and Heart and I

1:09:25.280 --> 1:09:29.559
<v Speaker 2>actually played with Heart. We played Barracouta together, Ceebee Wonder,

1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:32.560
<v Speaker 2>so many people, just Stone, just tons of people, and

1:09:33.120 --> 1:09:35.760
<v Speaker 2>then Dave and I and jos and everyone. We all

1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:39.639
<v Speaker 2>had a dinner afterwards. And I had been sober for

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<v Speaker 2>quite some time. I stopped drinking for about five years,

1:09:43.080 --> 1:09:45.479
<v Speaker 2>I should say five six years because I definitely did

1:09:45.479 --> 1:09:47.680
<v Speaker 2>my dash in a cover band, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>So the lever was sort of bent out at a

1:09:50.479 --> 1:09:53.439
<v Speaker 2>younger age, and so Day put a Martini in front

1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:56.040
<v Speaker 2>of me, and that was I was like, okay, cool.

1:09:56.560 --> 1:09:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Had that Martini was very strong, and we all just

1:09:59.200 --> 1:10:02.040
<v Speaker 2>got into chat and we came like really fast friends meet,

1:10:02.320 --> 1:10:05.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, Dave and Martina McBride and John McBride who

1:10:05.640 --> 1:10:09.760
<v Speaker 2>had Blackbird Studios, and Johnson and then Dave and I

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<v Speaker 2>actually wrote this whole movie that evening, an animated film,

1:10:13.160 --> 1:10:15.800
<v Speaker 2>which I think should come out one day because we

1:10:15.840 --> 1:10:19.280
<v Speaker 2>had a we had an even green a green light

1:10:19.320 --> 1:10:23.000
<v Speaker 2>from DreamWorks to make this film, you know, together animated

1:10:23.200 --> 1:10:28.080
<v Speaker 2>under the Water Blues film. It was very cool, and

1:10:28.160 --> 1:10:31.160
<v Speaker 2>so we wrote this entire film together that evening. At

1:10:31.160 --> 1:10:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the dinner table, Abra Martini, a couple of Martini's baby,

1:10:34.240 --> 1:10:35.599
<v Speaker 2>and then he's like, we should make a record together.

1:10:35.680 --> 1:10:37.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm like that sounds awesome. So I'm just out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>get out of my deal whatever, and that's kind of

1:10:40.040 --> 1:10:42.160
<v Speaker 2>what happened. Went over to a studio when he had

1:10:42.240 --> 1:10:46.439
<v Speaker 2>a studio on West Hollywood Bine Street, and it was

1:10:46.479 --> 1:10:48.519
<v Speaker 2>always wild over there. I would show up and then

1:10:49.680 --> 1:10:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I should say meeting another idol of mine, Mick Jagger

1:10:52.479 --> 1:10:55.000
<v Speaker 2>was working with him. So one day he invited me

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<v Speaker 2>over to the studio and didn't tell me that Mick

1:10:57.200 --> 1:10:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Jagger was laying down a vocal for like a super

1:10:59.200 --> 1:11:02.120
<v Speaker 2>heavy so much he was doing this project. And I

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<v Speaker 2>brought my mother with me, and she she went actually

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<v Speaker 2>to the door and I went to the bathroom and

1:11:07.000 --> 1:11:10.040
<v Speaker 2>he opened the door and my mom was like, oh

1:11:10.120 --> 1:11:13.360
<v Speaker 2>my god, it's big Jagger and uh and he's like,

1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:15.800
<v Speaker 2>come on in and he offered her. He offered her

1:11:15.840 --> 1:11:19.400
<v Speaker 2>like cookies and a tea and he's like what was

1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:22.040
<v Speaker 2>you like you need anything? Like he was so sweet.

1:11:22.360 --> 1:11:25.439
<v Speaker 2>Like that was wild. And then working with working with

1:11:25.520 --> 1:11:27.400
<v Speaker 2>day was a trip, Like there's always people coming in

1:11:27.479 --> 1:11:30.200
<v Speaker 2>and out of the studio that he never never knew

1:11:30.200 --> 1:11:32.240
<v Speaker 2>who was going to be. Like there like Andy Garcia

1:11:32.280 --> 1:11:36.160
<v Speaker 2>playing piano one day, I remember, and then like Justine

1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:38.920
<v Speaker 2>coming in and then he's working with you two. He's

1:11:38.960 --> 1:11:41.560
<v Speaker 2>working with all these different people. But we managed to

1:11:41.600 --> 1:11:43.960
<v Speaker 2>make a record together in Nashville and that was really fun.

1:11:44.080 --> 1:11:45.519
<v Speaker 2>It was a great record happened in as hell.

1:11:46.800 --> 1:11:50.479
<v Speaker 3>Okay, the record comes out in an independent label? What's

1:11:50.520 --> 1:11:53.680
<v Speaker 3>that like compared to being on Interscope that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually through Universal, So that one came out through Universal.

1:11:57.320 --> 1:11:59.400
<v Speaker 2>But it was as soon as I finished that record.

1:11:59.520 --> 1:12:02.839
<v Speaker 2>The day I remember the day we finished it in Nashville,

1:12:03.120 --> 1:12:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I get a call from Alicekeeper because I'd just done

1:12:05.840 --> 1:12:09.639
<v Speaker 2>the American Idol finale with him. We played Schools out

1:12:10.000 --> 1:12:12.719
<v Speaker 2>and he called me. He goes, Hi, my guitar player

1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:15.320
<v Speaker 2>left within Lizzie, will you will you be my lead

1:12:15.360 --> 1:12:17.519
<v Speaker 2>guitar player for the tour coming up? And going yeah,

1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:20.240
<v Speaker 2>that sounds awesome. You know that sounds amazing. So I

1:12:20.360 --> 1:12:22.120
<v Speaker 2>just finished a record. I was supposed to go out

1:12:22.120 --> 1:12:25.120
<v Speaker 2>and promote that, and then I decided I'm going to

1:12:25.160 --> 1:12:28.720
<v Speaker 2>go off with Alice Cooper. So yeah, that's that's kind

1:12:28.720 --> 1:12:29.360
<v Speaker 2>of what happened.

1:12:29.720 --> 1:12:32.880
<v Speaker 3>So, oh, okay, you don't make another studio album for

1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:36.200
<v Speaker 3>seven years. What are you doing in that period of time?

1:12:37.280 --> 1:12:40.559
<v Speaker 2>I am touring with Alice for about five six about

1:12:40.920 --> 1:12:44.960
<v Speaker 2>five years with Alice Keeper. Then I join Richie Sambora

1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:49.240
<v Speaker 2>and we meet in Hawaii and I was, you know,

1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Richie said to me, he goes. He came up to

1:12:52.640 --> 1:12:54.880
<v Speaker 2>me and I don't know if he was showing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually that day, I was like Sammy Hagar and DeBie

1:12:57.960 --> 1:13:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Brothers and Stephen Tyler and you know, we're just it's

1:13:01.120 --> 1:13:02.960
<v Speaker 2>a New Year's Eve thing we do for Sheep, Gordon

1:13:03.160 --> 1:13:05.800
<v Speaker 2>over and Maui and Richie came. Last minute. He's like,

1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:07.759
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna jam together. I was like, okay, cool, awesome.

1:13:07.960 --> 1:13:11.519
<v Speaker 2>So we ended up jamming together, and then afterwards he's like,

1:13:11.640 --> 1:13:13.719
<v Speaker 2>have your number, like, let's let's write some stuff. Girl,

1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, I love your playing and my daughter,

1:13:16.040 --> 1:13:17.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know she's she's a fan of you

1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:19.680
<v Speaker 2>or she saw you when this is It film and

1:13:19.720 --> 1:13:21.599
<v Speaker 2>all of that. I was like, okay, cool, Yeah, sounds great.

1:13:22.360 --> 1:13:24.680
<v Speaker 2>And then he called me when I got home and

1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I went over to his place. We ended up writing

1:13:26.360 --> 1:13:28.439
<v Speaker 2>songs and hanging out, and I thought this is cool,

1:13:28.479 --> 1:13:31.759
<v Speaker 2>Like he's an amazing singer, songwriter, you know, a guitar player.

1:13:32.320 --> 1:13:35.280
<v Speaker 2>So we just wrote tons of songs and then he's like, hey,

1:13:35.400 --> 1:13:37.840
<v Speaker 2>like you know, he had Bob Rock come over one time.

1:13:37.920 --> 1:13:40.200
<v Speaker 2>He goes, how about you and I do a record

1:13:40.240 --> 1:13:42.439
<v Speaker 2>together or something that'd be really cool and go on tour.

1:13:42.800 --> 1:13:46.160
<v Speaker 2>And I was like that sounds great, but I'm still

1:13:46.160 --> 1:13:49.519
<v Speaker 2>with Alice, so I can't like, you know, so I

1:13:49.560 --> 1:13:52.320
<v Speaker 2>had to go I meet with Alice. It was kind

1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:53.880
<v Speaker 2>of tough, you know, to walk in there and say, hey,

1:13:55.040 --> 1:13:57.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, I really want to focus on this raport

1:13:57.800 --> 1:14:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing with Ritchie and and leave the band. But

1:14:01.000 --> 1:14:02.240
<v Speaker 2>I said, look, I'm not going to leave you on

1:14:02.280 --> 1:14:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the If you need me, I'm going to be here

1:14:04.080 --> 1:14:07.120
<v Speaker 2>until you find a replacement. Thank god, he found Nita Strauss.

1:14:07.160 --> 1:14:10.439
<v Speaker 2>He's amazing. She's a dear friend of mine. And then

1:14:10.520 --> 1:14:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Richie and I spent years on a record with Barb

1:14:13.640 --> 1:14:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Rock and we played some shows together. We you know,

1:14:16.760 --> 1:14:19.840
<v Speaker 2>we toured quite a bit. We played Australia, we went

1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:23.320
<v Speaker 2>to Brazil, we opened the Bad Company, we you know.

1:14:23.439 --> 1:14:27.040
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we made the RSO record during that time,

1:14:27.479 --> 1:14:28.480
<v Speaker 2>which was wild.

1:14:28.800 --> 1:14:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, in this inter realm, say say you work with

1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Alice Cooper. The dream of being successful solo artists? Does

1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:41.640
<v Speaker 3>that extinguished? Is that always in the back of your head?

1:14:42.520 --> 1:14:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Absolutely. I needed to take a break, i think,

1:14:45.360 --> 1:14:50.400
<v Speaker 2>from being the captain of the ship. So, you know,

1:14:50.760 --> 1:14:52.960
<v Speaker 2>it was a nice sort of thing to be just

1:14:53.000 --> 1:14:54.760
<v Speaker 2>a guitar player. I had a blast. We got to

1:14:54.800 --> 1:14:58.840
<v Speaker 2>celebrate Halloween every night, party every night, you know what

1:14:58.880 --> 1:15:02.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean. But the show, very seriously, the show was perfect.

1:15:02.880 --> 1:15:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Then after the show, I'd be drinking tons and partying

1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:08.240
<v Speaker 2>with everybody. And I can't say I was a healthiest

1:15:08.280 --> 1:15:13.800
<v Speaker 2>on that tour, no, so you know, but I had

1:15:13.960 --> 1:15:15.640
<v Speaker 2>so much fun. I got to tell you, it was

1:15:15.680 --> 1:15:18.120
<v Speaker 2>just a blast. And the guys are like my brothers,

1:15:18.160 --> 1:15:21.360
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I was. I was in my twenties and

1:15:21.360 --> 1:15:23.120
<v Speaker 2>I was having fun. I just I needed a break.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I think being out on that tour and

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<v Speaker 2>not being the boss was something that I needed for

1:15:30.720 --> 1:15:31.400
<v Speaker 2>a minute, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you talk about being sober for five years then

1:15:36.000 --> 1:15:39.799
<v Speaker 3>having the martini. Where are you with alcohol and substances today?

1:15:40.920 --> 1:15:43.479
<v Speaker 2>Oh, in a good place. Yeah, I don't abuse anything. No.

1:15:44.680 --> 1:15:46.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, you learn as you get older there's only

1:15:46.960 --> 1:15:49.479
<v Speaker 2>so much body can take, you know what I mean,

1:15:49.479 --> 1:15:51.639
<v Speaker 2>And you want to be clear minded. There's too much

1:15:51.640 --> 1:15:54.240
<v Speaker 2>stuff to do. When you're young and you're in your

1:15:54.240 --> 1:15:57.519
<v Speaker 2>twenties or your teenager and you're partying with your friends,

1:15:57.600 --> 1:16:01.280
<v Speaker 2>you're definitely like you can andle it more right. And

1:16:01.320 --> 1:16:02.800
<v Speaker 2>as you get older, you go, oh, man, I don't

1:16:02.840 --> 1:16:06.479
<v Speaker 2>feel so good. So you know, I'm all about I promote,

1:16:07.240 --> 1:16:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, health and a healthy lifestyle and eating right,

1:16:11.880 --> 1:16:14.800
<v Speaker 2>working out. I run six miles a day, which is

1:16:14.800 --> 1:16:17.799
<v Speaker 2>probably not healthy but excessive, but I love the endorphins

1:16:17.840 --> 1:16:21.719
<v Speaker 2>from it. And then you know, I eat very healthy,

1:16:21.760 --> 1:16:24.680
<v Speaker 2>and I'm all about just like self care and mindfulness.

1:16:24.760 --> 1:16:28.080
<v Speaker 2>I have spiritual healers. I'm very much about. Your mind

1:16:28.200 --> 1:16:31.720
<v Speaker 2>is very important. It's the most like whatever the way

1:16:31.760 --> 1:16:33.679
<v Speaker 2>you program your mind and your thoughts and the most

1:16:33.720 --> 1:16:38.400
<v Speaker 2>important thing. And speaking of truth and being authentic. I

1:16:38.439 --> 1:16:40.719
<v Speaker 2>think that, you know, when I was younger, if people

1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:42.439
<v Speaker 2>put stuff in front of me, you know, you're going

1:16:42.520 --> 1:16:46.200
<v Speaker 2>to just do anything, but kind of you know what

1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean. And so it was I definitely had my

1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:50.679
<v Speaker 2>party days, for sure. I'm not going to say I didn't.

1:16:51.400 --> 1:16:54.280
<v Speaker 2>But I learned from that, and I've learned from watching

1:16:54.360 --> 1:16:58.280
<v Speaker 2>other people that have taken a very bad road because

1:16:58.280 --> 1:17:01.719
<v Speaker 2>it's very easy and being a musician, everything zero zero

1:17:01.800 --> 1:17:05.720
<v Speaker 2>to one hundred, so it's never like this, never a

1:17:05.760 --> 1:17:08.599
<v Speaker 2>straight line. It's always like extremes like from in the studio,

1:17:08.680 --> 1:17:12.240
<v Speaker 2>then sixty thousand people, then TV. Then you know it's

1:17:12.280 --> 1:17:14.639
<v Speaker 2>like there's a lot of pressure too, not only from

1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:15.919
<v Speaker 2>other people but on yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you make a couple of records for Frontiers, what

1:17:21.479 --> 1:17:22.720
<v Speaker 3>is that experience? Like?

1:17:24.200 --> 1:17:25.080
<v Speaker 2>That was interesting?

1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:26.200
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:29.679
<v Speaker 2>They were very very enthusiastic about signing me and everything,

1:17:29.680 --> 1:17:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and then once they got working with them, they wanted

1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:35.760
<v Speaker 2>a certain they wanted everything to be very heavy. So

1:17:35.760 --> 1:17:38.600
<v Speaker 2>that's where we kind of butted heads with them, you know,

1:17:38.720 --> 1:17:41.840
<v Speaker 2>and that's why I left them, because you know, I

1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:43.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to just make heavy records. I mean, rock

1:17:43.920 --> 1:17:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Candy I was very proud of and everything, but it

1:17:45.960 --> 1:17:48.400
<v Speaker 2>was a heavy pop record because it had to be

1:17:48.680 --> 1:17:51.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, we had some you know definitely when I

1:17:51.680 --> 1:17:53.880
<v Speaker 2>sent them through songs, oh like, it's got to be

1:17:53.920 --> 1:17:56.639
<v Speaker 2>this way, got to be this way. So yeah, that's

1:17:56.680 --> 1:17:58.719
<v Speaker 2>that's the reason why I left that label is because

1:17:58.760 --> 1:18:01.960
<v Speaker 2>they they would tell me what kind of record they wanted,

1:18:02.120 --> 1:18:03.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that's fine, that's fine if you're a

1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:06.639
<v Speaker 2>heavy band. But I wanted to branch out a bit more.

1:18:08.040 --> 1:18:10.679
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So tell me about signing with your new label

1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:12.400
<v Speaker 3>and making two records.

1:18:14.120 --> 1:18:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm only making one record with this new label, would Avenue.

1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:22.479
<v Speaker 2>I met Mark Nordam a while ago and through Norm

1:18:22.800 --> 1:18:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Rare Guitars, and he just was a really enthusiastic guy

1:18:27.880 --> 1:18:30.320
<v Speaker 2>that really believed in my music. And he was like,

1:18:30.320 --> 1:18:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm giving you free rein so sort of he has

1:18:32.080 --> 1:18:34.639
<v Speaker 2>a jazz label actually anything, but he's like, I'm giving

1:18:34.640 --> 1:18:36.439
<v Speaker 2>you free range to do whatever you want. I'm like, cool.

1:18:36.800 --> 1:18:39.880
<v Speaker 2>The deal was really straightforward, and that's kind of it.

1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:42.200
<v Speaker 2>He just believed in me as and believes in me

1:18:42.200 --> 1:18:44.479
<v Speaker 2>as a as an artist and gives me a free

1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:45.880
<v Speaker 2>rain to do what I want. And I think that's

1:18:45.880 --> 1:18:47.400
<v Speaker 2>the most awesome thing, you.

1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:50.280
<v Speaker 3>Know, So tell me about making that record.

1:18:50.640 --> 1:18:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Working at Robbie Kriege Studio has been awesome because it's

1:18:55.000 --> 1:18:57.759
<v Speaker 2>such a great vibe there and working with my band

1:18:57.800 --> 1:18:59.840
<v Speaker 2>and just going in and writing all the songs my

1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:02.800
<v Speaker 2>and just you know, just capturing that energy and it's

1:19:02.920 --> 1:19:05.280
<v Speaker 2>very organic. It's kind of like how old records were made,

1:19:05.320 --> 1:19:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I guess ages ago. We're just doing it that way.

1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:11.200
<v Speaker 2>And then Kevin Shirley came on board and he's been

1:19:11.240 --> 1:19:13.720
<v Speaker 2>producing and that's been awesome because I love Kevin. He

1:19:13.840 --> 1:19:18.320
<v Speaker 2>is a total legend and just awesome producer. He brings

1:19:18.320 --> 1:19:21.439
<v Speaker 2>out like great guitar tones and he knows how to

1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:24.639
<v Speaker 2>get the band rocking too, and you know, I trust him,

1:19:24.720 --> 1:19:26.559
<v Speaker 2>so we can't I can't wait to finish the record

1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:27.040
<v Speaker 2>with him too.

1:19:27.320 --> 1:19:28.880
<v Speaker 3>So how did Kevin get involved?

1:19:30.160 --> 1:19:34.320
<v Speaker 2>We had a dinner at the Marquee Sunset Marquee. He

1:19:34.520 --> 1:19:37.479
<v Speaker 2>came over here and we just hang out, actually his friends,

1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:42.240
<v Speaker 2>prior to anything. And I think I met Kevin through

1:19:42.400 --> 1:19:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Joe but a Master because we've been friends for a

1:19:44.320 --> 1:19:46.400
<v Speaker 2>long time. So yeah, and then Kevin was like, I

1:19:46.439 --> 1:19:48.360
<v Speaker 2>want to work with you, and I've wanted to work

1:19:48.360 --> 1:19:50.880
<v Speaker 2>with you since like twenty fourteen. I'm like, hey, cool,

1:19:51.200 --> 1:19:55.320
<v Speaker 2>So he finally got to working together and I'm really

1:19:55.479 --> 1:19:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm really proud of of the first well not the

1:19:57.439 --> 1:20:00.559
<v Speaker 2>first single, the newest single that's out now, of Feeling.

1:20:00.800 --> 1:20:02.120
<v Speaker 2>He did a great job on that. It's kind of

1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:04.600
<v Speaker 2>got the most sound, sort of organic sound to it,

1:20:04.720 --> 1:20:07.960
<v Speaker 2>like pop rock blues, but he really just brings it.

1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:12.080
<v Speaker 2>He knows how to mic everything and he's incredible. And

1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:23.920
<v Speaker 2>same with Eddie Kramer. I'm doing this side project with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's talk about the Kevin Shirley record. So when

1:20:27.200 --> 1:20:28.559
<v Speaker 3>will the album be finished?

1:20:29.560 --> 1:20:33.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm planning on finishing it early March. Now, so the

1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:36.680
<v Speaker 2>last two songs we done early March and then the

1:20:36.720 --> 1:20:38.120
<v Speaker 2>record will come out April.

1:20:39.479 --> 1:20:41.839
<v Speaker 3>And what are your expectations of the album?

1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:46.439
<v Speaker 2>I hope people just like hear like a kind of

1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:48.080
<v Speaker 2>a different side to me, like more of a singer

1:20:48.120 --> 1:20:51.360
<v Speaker 2>songwriter sort of thing. Like it's not like heavy heavy,

1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Like some of the songs are heavy, but they're not

1:20:53.000 --> 1:20:56.960
<v Speaker 2>like it's more like, I don't know, it's got like

1:20:57.200 --> 1:21:01.480
<v Speaker 2>more motown soul in there. There's it's more about the storytelling,

1:21:01.680 --> 1:21:05.040
<v Speaker 2>you know. I think, you know, I've written every lyric myself,

1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:07.679
<v Speaker 2>and I think that it's freedom. I hope they find

1:21:07.680 --> 1:21:10.479
<v Speaker 2>freedom in the music that can hear it. It makes

1:21:10.479 --> 1:21:14.040
<v Speaker 2>people feel good. That's kind of my intention. I don't

1:21:14.080 --> 1:21:18.439
<v Speaker 2>have expectations, you know, at all. I want people to

1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:20.240
<v Speaker 2>like it and I hate it, of course, but you

1:21:20.240 --> 1:21:23.280
<v Speaker 2>know that's kind of it really, But.

1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:25.519
<v Speaker 3>To what degree will you promote it? Market it?

1:21:27.080 --> 1:21:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing a lot of press for it. It's

1:21:29.439 --> 1:21:33.040
<v Speaker 2>just one classic rock track of the week, which is awesome.

1:21:33.760 --> 1:21:36.920
<v Speaker 2>There's some great artists on that list too, and it's

1:21:36.960 --> 1:21:39.160
<v Speaker 2>been doing really well, and so I feel like I'm

1:21:39.200 --> 1:21:42.080
<v Speaker 2>going to be touring Australia with the new record. We're

1:21:42.080 --> 1:21:44.240
<v Speaker 2>doing a bunch of press now for that. In Australia.

1:21:44.960 --> 1:21:47.519
<v Speaker 2>All the shows inly sold out over there, which is awesome.

1:21:48.080 --> 1:21:50.599
<v Speaker 2>To the UK with it, to Japan with it, all

1:21:50.640 --> 1:21:53.080
<v Speaker 2>that stuff, and yeah, just by the big festivals. We've

1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:55.679
<v Speaker 2>got a lot of festivals lined up for the UK,

1:21:55.840 --> 1:21:56.880
<v Speaker 2>so I can't wait to do that.

1:21:57.479 --> 1:22:01.080
<v Speaker 3>So you have a band, regular group of musician I do.

1:22:01.280 --> 1:22:04.479
<v Speaker 2>I do, yes, I do have a like my main band,

1:22:04.520 --> 1:22:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I actually play more like a three piece. I actually

1:22:06.880 --> 1:22:10.839
<v Speaker 2>enjoy it a lot. But when I play some hometown

1:22:10.880 --> 1:22:13.920
<v Speaker 2>shows here in LA I have percussion, I've got keys,

1:22:13.960 --> 1:22:16.720
<v Speaker 2>I've got three background singers, I've got I just go

1:22:16.760 --> 1:22:18.920
<v Speaker 2>all out, you know, background, guitar, play everything. So it's

1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:22.559
<v Speaker 2>like a big band sound, which is great. But on

1:22:22.600 --> 1:22:24.599
<v Speaker 2>the road I do it three piece because I'm a

1:22:24.680 --> 1:22:26.800
<v Speaker 2>huge Hendrick C. B Ray fan, and I just think

1:22:26.840 --> 1:22:30.080
<v Speaker 2>that it sounds bigger sometimes just going three piece, I can.

1:22:31.600 --> 1:22:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I love playing all the guitar parts myself. I do

1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:37.320
<v Speaker 2>like the freedom in that, and we've dialed it in.

1:22:37.439 --> 1:22:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm really happy with that. So we've got Justin Andreas

1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:43.120
<v Speaker 2>on bass. You've got Elias Marlin on drums. He's amazing.

1:22:43.880 --> 1:22:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Demi and Ariaga sometimes plays drums with me sometimes as well,

1:22:48.280 --> 1:22:53.960
<v Speaker 2>but Justin's my main bass player and he also plays

1:22:53.960 --> 1:22:54.840
<v Speaker 2>guitar with me as well.

1:22:54.920 --> 1:22:58.240
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, so tell me about this Eddie Kreamer record.

1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm super excited about this. It's a it's it's an

1:23:03.920 --> 1:23:08.559
<v Speaker 2>all girl sort of band, a Gypsy's vibe thing, and

1:23:09.200 --> 1:23:14.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, it came together quite some time ago. And yeah,

1:23:14.840 --> 1:23:16.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't even know. Cindy has been a

1:23:16.880 --> 1:23:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Cindy Santana has been a dear friend of mine for

1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:23.160
<v Speaker 2>many years. And I never wanted to be an all

1:23:23.200 --> 1:23:26.360
<v Speaker 2>girl band, like never, Like it's been suggested a few times.

1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:29.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh hell no. But with her, I was

1:23:29.160 --> 1:23:34.640
<v Speaker 2>like absolutely, you know, I felt like this is going

1:23:34.720 --> 1:23:38.439
<v Speaker 2>to be something really special and I and I don't,

1:23:39.160 --> 1:23:40.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, I want to. And then when Eddie, I

1:23:40.960 --> 1:23:43.280
<v Speaker 2>called Eddie about it and we found Rhonda Smith was

1:23:43.280 --> 1:23:47.280
<v Speaker 2>available too. It just came together really organically and it

1:23:47.360 --> 1:23:49.760
<v Speaker 2>was wonderful. So we're nearly done with that record and

1:23:49.800 --> 1:23:51.719
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for people to hear it. It's something

1:23:51.800 --> 1:23:56.160
<v Speaker 2>totally different from what I'm putting out. It's got a

1:23:56.160 --> 1:23:59.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of fire behind it. And we're playing our first

1:23:59.080 --> 1:24:02.439
<v Speaker 2>show in about five days at the halftime for the Raiders,

1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:06.040
<v Speaker 2>So no pressure, just sixty thousand people. You know.

1:24:07.200 --> 1:24:08.479
<v Speaker 3>How did you connect with Eddie.

1:24:09.760 --> 1:24:12.320
<v Speaker 2>I've known Eddie for a long time. Actually, I met

1:24:12.360 --> 1:24:17.160
<v Speaker 2>him at Capitol Records and he was mixing some you know,

1:24:17.479 --> 1:24:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Hendrix stuff there and I walked in one day and

1:24:22.080 --> 1:24:23.479
<v Speaker 2>he was like mixing is you got to hear this

1:24:23.600 --> 1:24:26.400
<v Speaker 2>unreleased Hendrix stuff. I'm like, okay, it's wild. And then

1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:28.320
<v Speaker 2>we became friends. And then Janie Hendrix has been a

1:24:28.320 --> 1:24:31.200
<v Speaker 2>good friend of mine for many years, and I would

1:24:31.240 --> 1:24:34.360
<v Speaker 2>go and jam down at the at Paul Allen when

1:24:34.360 --> 1:24:36.400
<v Speaker 2>he was around. He was a good friend of mine.

1:24:37.040 --> 1:24:40.400
<v Speaker 2>He had the Jimmy Hendrix Museum. So i'd go jam

1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:44.519
<v Speaker 2>down there, and Janie and I were friends, and I'm sorry,

1:24:44.560 --> 1:24:49.479
<v Speaker 2>we're we're still friends. And we would, you know, just

1:24:49.560 --> 1:24:52.320
<v Speaker 2>jam a lot. And I got to play with Billy

1:24:52.320 --> 1:24:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Cox down there. I got to hold you know, the

1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Hendrix strat and everything, and Eddie I think he came

1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:02.559
<v Speaker 2>down there once as well. But yeah, it was just

1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:04.479
<v Speaker 2>it's been an amazing workingd with Eddie in the studio,

1:25:04.520 --> 1:25:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Like watching him dial in tones like the old school

1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:10.200
<v Speaker 2>way and compressors and all that kind of stuff. It's

1:25:10.240 --> 1:25:14.400
<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty intense and mod a legend. I feel very honored,

1:25:14.520 --> 1:25:16.360
<v Speaker 2>very honored now.

1:25:16.280 --> 1:25:19.599
<v Speaker 3>Eddie Kramer, Kevin Sure, we are both from South Africa.

1:25:20.560 --> 1:25:26.479
<v Speaker 3>They are, so what is special about the South Africans?

1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think you know what. I think

1:25:28.880 --> 1:25:33.600
<v Speaker 2>my great great grandfather is from South Africa too. I

1:25:33.640 --> 1:25:35.120
<v Speaker 2>don't know. So, yeah, I'm kind of a bit of

1:25:35.160 --> 1:25:37.320
<v Speaker 2>a European mutt and I have some I could ask

1:25:37.320 --> 1:25:40.240
<v Speaker 2>my mother exactly, but I don't know. They're cool. They're

1:25:40.360 --> 1:25:44.320
<v Speaker 2>very cool people. I've never been there, but both Eddie

1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:48.840
<v Speaker 2>and Kevin just have a way about them that's kind

1:25:48.840 --> 1:25:51.599
<v Speaker 2>of differently the same, but they're just both very sure

1:25:51.640 --> 1:25:54.439
<v Speaker 2>of themselves. They know exactly what they're going for, and

1:25:54.479 --> 1:25:57.160
<v Speaker 2>it's an honor to work with both of them. Love it.

1:25:58.040 --> 1:26:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, how did the SCIRL group come together?

1:26:01.920 --> 1:26:04.760
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of it came together in this like

1:26:05.280 --> 1:26:07.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of haphazard way. We're going to tell the story

1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:09.200
<v Speaker 2>one down. I can't. I've been told not to give

1:26:09.200 --> 1:26:12.040
<v Speaker 2>out too much information about the situation right now, So.

1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:14.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, let me ask you this. How long have you

1:26:14.720 --> 1:26:16.439
<v Speaker 3>been working on the girl band?

1:26:17.280 --> 1:26:17.920
<v Speaker 2>About a year?

1:26:19.040 --> 1:26:23.000
<v Speaker 3>And what came first? The band the Idea or.

1:26:22.960 --> 1:26:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Kramer the Idea?

1:26:26.280 --> 1:26:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay and the Idea, and then Eddie Kreamer, and then

1:26:29.439 --> 1:26:30.200
<v Speaker 3>the band.

1:26:31.800 --> 1:26:38.280
<v Speaker 2>The Idea, Cindy Blackman, Santana. Then I think we found

1:26:38.360 --> 1:26:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Ronda or Eddie. Yeah, Eddie and Ronda sort of came

1:26:41.439 --> 1:26:44.920
<v Speaker 2>at the same time. And then yeah, so.

1:26:44.960 --> 1:26:48.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, you're going to play at the Raiders game.

1:26:48.800 --> 1:26:51.400
<v Speaker 3>How has that even come to pass?

1:26:52.400 --> 1:26:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Got invited? I played actually play the national anthem in

1:26:56.120 --> 1:26:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Oakland for the Raiders. I've been a Raiders fan since

1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I was eleven, I believe it not in Australia because

1:27:01.080 --> 1:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was so cool. And I used to

1:27:02.840 --> 1:27:05.240
<v Speaker 2>go to the Royal show and they had the Pirate

1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:06.720
<v Speaker 2>hat and all the swag, and I was just into

1:27:06.760 --> 1:27:09.599
<v Speaker 2>American culture anyway, so I was like, yeah, go Raiders,

1:27:09.640 --> 1:27:13.040
<v Speaker 2>and I was always wearing like different Chicago Bulls hats,

1:27:13.920 --> 1:27:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Raiders swag. And then when I got invited to do

1:27:17.800 --> 1:27:22.559
<v Speaker 2>the halftime so the national anthem back in twenty fourteen,

1:27:23.360 --> 1:27:26.080
<v Speaker 2>I met Mark Davis. He's an owner and he's been

1:27:26.080 --> 1:27:29.599
<v Speaker 2>a very dear friend of mine. For many years. So yeah,

1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:30.360
<v Speaker 2>that was really cool.

1:27:30.680 --> 1:27:34.759
<v Speaker 3>Okay, you're going out with Alice Cooper. To what degree

1:27:34.920 --> 1:27:37.840
<v Speaker 3>do you have to work to pay the bills? Or

1:27:37.920 --> 1:27:41.800
<v Speaker 3>with all these endorsements and guitars, et cetera, there's enough

1:27:41.840 --> 1:27:43.560
<v Speaker 3>money coming in that you're comfortable.

1:27:45.000 --> 1:27:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's enough money coming in. I'm definitely very comfortable

1:27:48.680 --> 1:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>for sure. I mean, you know, it's funny. It's like

1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:53.840
<v Speaker 2>in this industry, you make a lot, you lose a lot.

1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:55.439
<v Speaker 2>You go through a lot of stuff that people don't

1:27:55.439 --> 1:27:57.960
<v Speaker 2>even know about, and you know, paying people off and

1:27:58.760 --> 1:28:03.120
<v Speaker 2>managers and the next amount of and things and lawyers. Yeah,

1:28:03.600 --> 1:28:06.240
<v Speaker 2>things are expensive, that's for sure. So you can make

1:28:06.280 --> 1:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money, lose a lot of money, make

1:28:08.280 --> 1:28:10.880
<v Speaker 2>it again, lose it. It's up and down all the time,

1:28:11.400 --> 1:28:11.800
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:15.519
<v Speaker 3>Well, if you stop playing guitar today, which I know

1:28:15.600 --> 1:28:18.280
<v Speaker 3>you don't want to do, do you have enough money

1:28:18.320 --> 1:28:20.000
<v Speaker 3>to continue to live or you got to work?

1:28:21.000 --> 1:28:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I'm still working. There's there's many things I

1:28:23.600 --> 1:28:27.120
<v Speaker 2>want to I want to do and buy, So you know,

1:28:27.280 --> 1:28:28.240
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

1:28:28.560 --> 1:28:30.040
<v Speaker 3>You want to buy? What do you want to buy?

1:28:30.640 --> 1:28:33.200
<v Speaker 2>A couple of houses that I'm looking at right now, So.

1:28:33.680 --> 1:28:36.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, how many houses do you have now?

1:28:37.680 --> 1:28:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, the one I'm I'm I've got it quite a

1:28:39.840 --> 1:28:43.439
<v Speaker 2>few in Australia, and then I've got my place here

1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:46.080
<v Speaker 2>in LA and I would love to have a home

1:28:46.280 --> 1:28:49.320
<v Speaker 2>in I think I want to own a home in Vegas.

1:28:49.400 --> 1:28:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I think I do. And I also want to own

1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:56.040
<v Speaker 2>a place by the beach in Australia as well, So

1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:59.840
<v Speaker 2>and maybe maybe also maybe now sure but I'm not sure,

1:29:00.280 --> 1:29:02.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah.

1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:04.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So how many homes do you own in Australia.

1:29:05.240 --> 1:29:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, personally with my family, we have quite a quite

1:29:08.080 --> 1:29:10.560
<v Speaker 2>a few homes. I don't know exactly that before.

1:29:10.800 --> 1:29:14.799
<v Speaker 3>But I just want to understand are you buying homes

1:29:14.800 --> 1:29:17.280
<v Speaker 3>as an investment or you're buying homes because you want

1:29:17.280 --> 1:29:19.439
<v Speaker 3>to have a house and live there yourself when you're

1:29:19.439 --> 1:29:21.240
<v Speaker 3>in that town.

1:29:23.360 --> 1:29:27.360
<v Speaker 2>It's honestly, if I buy a home in Vegas or

1:29:27.920 --> 1:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Nashville or out here in LA because I'm in this

1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>condo right now, it would be because I want to

1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:36.360
<v Speaker 2>live here. So it's finding the right place where I

1:29:36.400 --> 1:29:39.719
<v Speaker 2>would it would be my sanctuary. So I've been searching

1:29:39.760 --> 1:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>for years to find the right place out here in

1:29:42.880 --> 1:29:44.800
<v Speaker 2>America that I feel like this is the place I

1:29:44.840 --> 1:29:47.760
<v Speaker 2>want to be my main residence, you know what I mean.

1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>So because I'm always touring, I'm always on the road,

1:29:50.200 --> 1:29:53.280
<v Speaker 2>so it's like it's convenient for me to have a

1:29:53.280 --> 1:29:57.360
<v Speaker 2>bunch of storage units here and condo, so you know

1:29:57.760 --> 1:29:58.479
<v Speaker 2>that's convenient.

1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:01.280
<v Speaker 3>So do you live in a house or a condo?

1:30:01.840 --> 1:30:02.519
<v Speaker 2>A condo here?

1:30:02.600 --> 1:30:06.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so you can just there's a door person

1:30:06.120 --> 1:30:07.479
<v Speaker 3>you can leave for months and you don't have to

1:30:07.479 --> 1:30:08.080
<v Speaker 3>worry about it.

1:30:08.520 --> 1:30:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. I was in a house before with my partner.

1:30:11.600 --> 1:30:14.439
<v Speaker 2>But then you know, I'm oveed this condo and it's

1:30:14.560 --> 1:30:19.320
<v Speaker 2>very secure and there's security everywhere, like it's Fort Knox basically. Here.

1:30:19.360 --> 1:30:22.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, you've got cameras and then if anyone was

1:30:22.040 --> 1:30:25.360
<v Speaker 2>to come into my place, immediately, you know, goes to

1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:28.639
<v Speaker 2>the police. I got like, it's pretty crazy their security

1:30:28.640 --> 1:30:29.559
<v Speaker 2>I have here for sure.

1:30:30.720 --> 1:30:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Now you talk about a partner, you've never been married, right.

1:30:34.960 --> 1:30:38.479
<v Speaker 2>No, I have not, but I have kind of it's

1:30:38.479 --> 1:30:43.680
<v Speaker 2>been like, you know, almost like a marriage. My longest relationship.

1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I've got her here, so I'd call it kind of

1:30:45.800 --> 1:30:47.600
<v Speaker 2>like a marriage. You know, we live together for.

1:30:47.560 --> 1:30:50.440
<v Speaker 3>A long time, but you're not with someone.

1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Now, No, I am I'm yeah, I'm dating around right now,

1:30:56.400 --> 1:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>so it's all good.

1:30:57.760 --> 1:31:00.439
<v Speaker 3>And do you have a desire for children? Don't care

1:31:00.479 --> 1:31:01.280
<v Speaker 3>about children?

1:31:03.840 --> 1:31:06.120
<v Speaker 2>No? I don't. I don't think I want children. No,

1:31:06.400 --> 1:31:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't, because the thing is, you know, before I

1:31:11.080 --> 1:31:13.040
<v Speaker 2>was thinking about it, but now I'm like, No, if

1:31:13.040 --> 1:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I was going to be have a child, I would

1:31:15.800 --> 1:31:20.320
<v Speaker 2>want to be the best mother. Ever. I don't think

1:31:20.320 --> 1:31:22.960
<v Speaker 2>that I could be with what I'm doing, and you

1:31:22.960 --> 1:31:25.080
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And by the time I've accomplished

1:31:25.080 --> 1:31:27.679
<v Speaker 2>what I want to do with my life like and everything,

1:31:28.760 --> 1:31:31.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't think a child would fit into that. And

1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:32.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be one of those parents that,

1:31:32.960 --> 1:31:36.040
<v Speaker 2>like you know, brings up an asshole child.

1:31:36.680 --> 1:31:41.080
<v Speaker 3>So you know, okay, if you're in LA, are you

1:31:41.200 --> 1:31:44.320
<v Speaker 3>the type of person who's connecting with friends all the

1:31:44.400 --> 1:31:47.040
<v Speaker 3>time and going out? Are you the type of person

1:31:47.120 --> 1:31:51.599
<v Speaker 3>staying home working on your stuff watching TV? Who knows both?

1:31:52.479 --> 1:31:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I like to hit the Sunset Marquee a lot

1:31:55.160 --> 1:31:57.960
<v Speaker 2>with my friends and my other places around here or

1:31:58.479 --> 1:32:01.400
<v Speaker 2>MOUs strows or wherever I go. You know, it's like Craigs,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I do go out. I do. I have

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<v Speaker 2>gatherings with my friends, my very dear friends who I

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<v Speaker 2>love and I have like sometimes like just dinners, organize

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<v Speaker 2>it once once a week or once every you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or just girls night out and or girls and boys

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<v Speaker 2>night out and we just go and we you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have a few drinks and it's wonderful to catch up

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<v Speaker 2>with friends. You know, it's hard sometimes because we're all

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<v Speaker 2>on tour, so it's just bying the moment where everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>in town. You know, your friends are all together.

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<v Speaker 3>So most of your friends are musicians, not civilians.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I have a couple that are not musicians, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like most of them are or agents

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<v Speaker 2>or they work in different industries or you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>in different fields. But they're mostly like in the entertainment

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<v Speaker 2>field for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you're a guitar player. Who's the greatest rock guitarist.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what who the Everyone's so different, they're

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<v Speaker 2>so great, you know, I'm saying that I can't. I

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<v Speaker 2>said that Jimmy Hendrix was great, and he was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best, and he was an innovator. But then

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<v Speaker 2>there's Steve I, who's incredibly great technically and beautiful the

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<v Speaker 2>way he plays and got Santana who's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest in my eyes, and then you go, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, there's too many. I can't like, they're

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<v Speaker 2>all incredible. But for me though, inspiration wise, Santana is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely the reason why I wanted to play electric guitar.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would say Tantana if I had to.

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<v Speaker 3>If you listen to Santana, what album do you play?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what? I think that my favorite would be

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<v Speaker 2>Sacred Fire Live in Mexico. It's a live record, but

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<v Speaker 2>I would suggest to anyone to put that on and

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<v Speaker 2>it's so inspiring.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you're listening to Hendrix, what are you listening to?

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<v Speaker 2>Banner Gypsies or probably live with Buddy Miles at the

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<v Speaker 2>film All that was really awesome too. It's like a

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<v Speaker 2>three vinyl kind of set. Yeah, I don't know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many. There's so many with Hendrix, I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>love them all. That's the thing. So hard to pick one.

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<v Speaker 3>And what degree do you keep up on contemporary music?

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<v Speaker 2>I check in, you know. I mean, I really like

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<v Speaker 2>Teddy Swims. I think he's core. I really like country

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<v Speaker 2>music too. Yeah, but I would say right now like

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<v Speaker 2>Teddy Swims. For some reason, he has an old school sound.

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<v Speaker 2>His voice is so good that yeah, it's my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>new artists.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Australia certainly is not as big as the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it like an Australian mafia where all the Australian

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<v Speaker 3>musicians know each other?

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of kind of?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I haven't been back there for five years.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going back for the first time.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean in the US.

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<v Speaker 2>On the US, no, I mean no, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that many Australians out here, to be honest. One of

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<v Speaker 2>my guitar actually, my guitar player, Nick Mayberry, he's Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>But and then Vanessa Morosi, she's Australian, one of my

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<v Speaker 2>best friends. She's a great singer. But other than that,

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<v Speaker 2>not that many Australians know.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you've accomplished so much, but what are the

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<v Speaker 3>dreams in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>To reach more people with the music I make? To

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<v Speaker 2>better myself as a singer songwriter? It is how play

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<v Speaker 2>everything you know? You never stop learning, you never stop searching, creating.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so much more to do, you know. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I've just gotten started. So that's the truth. I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to reach a lot of people and continue

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<v Speaker 2>to evolve and not bore myself and bore others. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's a plan.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Rimpi. I want to thank you for taking this

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<v Speaker 3>time to speak with me and my audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for having me so I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>A good time.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you you bet Till next time. This is Bob

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<v Speaker 3>Left Sex sh