1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Steps Podcast. 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: My guest today is Ori Anty, guitarist artist songwriter orianthy 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Good to have you on the podcast. 4 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me on. I really 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 3: Okay, I read in a recent interview with you, but 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 3: you said you love music, but you hate the music industry. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 3: Can you tell me more about that? 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: It's forever changing? Is that the wild West? Right? 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: Right? 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: I think you know, once streaming began, it kind of 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: all lost its value, you know, because I grew up 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: kind of in a time walk, you know, my dad's 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: record collections and the value of like going you know, 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: lining up at a record store and waiting for your 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: favorite record to come out and opening it and reading 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: the liner notes, and you know, there was just so 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: much more gravity to that to now where everything's like 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: instant gratification, which is cool and all right, because we 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: all love that. But I think kids that are now 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: born with iPhones in their hands, essentially, you know, they 22 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: don't know what it was like to sort of experience 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: music the other way where you go to a store 24 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: and you buy a jacket, and you pay for the jacket. 25 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, and it's like now it's 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 2: like music's so free, but everything you know, costs the same. 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: And then the business side of things as well, it's 28 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: very different just how people operate. And when I first 29 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: got signed to now it's like I think everyone's sort 30 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 2: of famous, right, like so many which is great. I mean, 31 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: having the platform of TikTok and Instagram and all that 32 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: to be able to self promote, right, but the mystique 33 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: I think is kind of gone because you kind of 34 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: know what everyone's had for breakfast these days. 35 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: You know, so okay, but your experiences in the industry. 36 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: You had to deal with Geffen, you had a hit record, 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: you dealt with managers, you dealt with agins. Did that 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: leave a bad taste in your mouth? 39 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely yeah, if you don't have a good 40 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: lawyer to begin with. Yeah, yeah, you know, I came 41 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: off a boat from Australia, you know what I mean, 42 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: So I didn't know what I was getting into. I 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: signed within just go Jimmy Ivan, who's amazing. I have 44 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: utmost respect for him and Ron Fair and everybody. But 45 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: then you get this circus that surrounds you, right, so 46 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: you don't know where all your money is going. You 47 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: don't know what you're doing is essentially a very big loan. 48 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: You don't realize that when you're a kid and you 49 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: just see all the flashing lights. We've got multi platinum 50 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: record here, I'm traveling you know, the world on this single, 51 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 2: and and you know, just there's tons of money being 52 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: thrown at you. You're making tons of money. You're getting 53 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: all these different sponsorships and whatnot, and from Colgate Commercial 54 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: Commercialist to Panasonic to Hayundai to whatever, you know, clothing lines, 55 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and you sort of lose 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: your mind. And I was probably the most unhappiest back 57 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: then as a kid, you know, to what I am now, 58 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: I feel I feel like I'm finding balanced as I'm 59 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: getting older. You know, it's just like really, you know, 60 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: being more present. I think that's the key, you know, 61 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: to being like creating and being in the moment and 62 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: going back to what I was like as a kid 63 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: in my living room or in my bedroom with my 64 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: Keishar and creating because that's what it's all about, you know, 65 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: It's all about that joy and reaching people and serving people. 66 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: And yeah, the spiritual aspect of music and creation is 67 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: where my head and heart and spirit lays better than 68 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: the business aspect of things. 69 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 3: So okay, in that go round, you had it interscope. 70 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: To what degree did they tell you what music to 71 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: make or want to change what you wanted to do personally? 72 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: You know, It's funny. When I first moved over here, 73 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: I self produced a record when I was like, i'll 74 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: say fifteen or sixteen, and I learned how to engineer. 75 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: I learned how to produce, I learned how to play drums, 76 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: bass keys, everything, and I did this record called Violet 77 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: Journey I was in. It was actually off Universal Records 78 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: in Australia, and then I got I sent it to 79 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: everyone over here in the US, and I got a 80 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: deal from Jimmy Ivy. You know, He's like, I love 81 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: what you're doing, you know, come over here and perform 82 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: for me. So I came over and I performed at 83 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: the NAM Show. Then I went to Jimmy's home in 84 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: bel Air and performed for him in the basement, and 85 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: he was sitting on a bean bag in his kid's 86 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: basement and he was like, perform for me with a 87 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: backing track. It was the craziest thing. And his kids 88 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 2: were having a party everyone's dressed and I remember dinosaur 89 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: gear and I don't know what's going on, and I 90 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: was playing my songs and he's like, I want to 91 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: sign you. And then then Ron Fair was like I 92 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: want to sign you to then went back to Australia, 93 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: came back and moved over. I was like eighteen nineteen, 94 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: so you know, that was pretty It was a pretty 95 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: wild sort of time. And then you know, I learned 96 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: kind of how to do everything myself. So I knew 97 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: how to write songs, and you how to produce. And 98 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: then when you get put into that big sort of machine, 99 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: you know, of a major label, they all want to 100 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: put you with different riders, rightly, so so you can 101 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: get hit songs. But then you feel like you can't 102 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: do it yourself. You feel like you're not good enough 103 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: to write by yourself, you know what I mean. You 104 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: sort of lose this thing like you always need somebody 105 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: to help. So I had to get out of that mentality. 106 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: That was one thing that was like, yeah, sometimes it 107 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: does call for another songwriter. But this new record I've 108 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: just done, I've predominantly written every song myself, you know, 109 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: lyrically and musically, and I'm really proud of it too. 110 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, we'll get into your new work. But 111 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: since we started on this experience, this whirlwind, they forced 112 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: you to write with people. When the record was recorded, 113 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: were you happy with the music that was made, both 114 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: the songs in the way the recording and production ultimately came. 115 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: Out, some of them, not all, you know. I think, 116 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: according to turned out really well because that song had 117 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 2: a really strong message. It was very empowering for women 118 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: and men. And I think putting a is about self worth, 119 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: you know, you know what I mean, It's like just 120 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: standing up for yourself. I thought the message was really strong. 121 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 2: When the songwriters came in and showed me the song 122 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: and then I contributed to it and we finished it 123 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: up together in the studio. I'm like, I'm putting a 124 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: guitar solo on this, like you know, it could be 125 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: like a like an eighties guitar solo on a pop song. 126 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: And everyone at first I was like, I'm not doing something. 127 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: I play that on the radio and I'm like, well, 128 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: that's the point of difference, you know what I mean 129 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: for me, because I'm a guitar player and it'd be 130 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: really cool to do that and to inspire girls, you know, 131 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: because it wasn't that many female guitar players back then, 132 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: you know, when it first came out to pick up 133 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: the guitar and and just you know, my whole thing 134 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: was just to inspire and uplift, and I thought that 135 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: that song really embodied both things, you know, really did. 136 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: How then with the major label, well it. 137 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: Was actually really sad. My A and R guy Tao Hertzberg, 138 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: he passed away from cancer and he was one of 139 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,559 Speaker 2: my main guys there with Runfair and then Ron Fair, 140 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: i think went to a different position, and it's sort 141 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: of everyone sort of got different, you know. That's sort 142 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: of what things changed, vastly, right, who's in control? Who 143 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: signed you? Everything sort of slightly not falls apart, but 144 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: sort of does, like people take on different things. And 145 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: then we just sort of parted ways. There wasn't anything crazy. 146 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: It just sort of happened where it was like, you know, 147 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: off the label now. So yeah, and then I went 148 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: straight in and made a record with Dave Stewart in Nashville, 149 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: so they went to Blackbird. 150 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: Okay, this is you know something people talk about a 151 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: lot today. People say, oh, the business is screwed. You 152 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: can't get signed to a major label. Since you've been 153 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: up both sides of the fence, Yes, did you end 154 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: up making any money from the major label? 155 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: I did in the sense of what they brought to 156 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: the tap. I mean, they really promote you in such 157 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: a massive way, right, So you reach so many people 158 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: people with how much money they put behind you. So 159 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: you make money from endorsements and sponsorships and all that 160 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So for me, I was making money 161 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: from like commercials and you know, clothing lines and shows 162 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. So absolutely, and I 163 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: did definitely make a lot of money, but a lot 164 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: of money got, you know, it sent out because you're 165 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: paying all these people. You have like the circus, you 166 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: have hair and makeup, you're flying the business class, you've 167 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: got parties going on. Honestly, I didn't know where half 168 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: my money was going. Now I do, thank god, but 169 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 2: back then I did not know. But you can make money. 170 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely, you're talking about the the number of the other 171 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 3: opportunities that came. Did you make any record royalties and 172 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 3: you get any royalties today? 173 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: Right now? I do receive, Yes, money I did every month. 174 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: I don't know the exact amount, but it changes all 175 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: the time. I can't say that it's an incredible amount 176 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: of money. No, No, it isn't, even though I've had 177 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 2: a lot of success, especially in Japan predominantly it was 178 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: my biggest market. I have a best stuff record over there, 179 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: and we streamed I don't know, according to you stream 180 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: that for a song. I don't even know how many 181 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: millions you had, like on even TikTok and all these 182 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: different things at like one hundred something million hits and 183 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: all this stuff. So yeah, I mean, it really doesn't 184 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: amount to much. No, I can't. I can't say. And 185 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: nowadays it's even worse because I had, as I said, 186 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: hard copies back then too. 187 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: So okay, the amount of money you make from royalties, 188 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: can it pay your mortgage or rent in a month? No? 189 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 2: Probably not. No. 190 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: No, Oh, okay, you're an attractive woman play guitar in 191 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 3: a world where that's a rarity. To what degree did 192 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: you feel pressure to trade on your sexuality? Were people 193 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: forced you to tread it on your sexuality? Oh? 194 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: I never really felt forced to do anything, you know. 195 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: I mean people can say and say to me what. 196 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: I hate it when actually people tell me what to do, 197 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: because then I do the opposite. It's my personality, so 198 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 2: I guess being this sort of hard headed six year 199 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: old I was as soon as I picked up the guitar, 200 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is what I want to do. And 201 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: I told my parents this is what I'm doing, and 202 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: I'm going to go and live in America. I'm buying 203 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: myself a Cadillac and I have a number one song and 204 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: travel the world. And I was like, so sad on 205 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: that like kind of manifested. But I also put, you know, 206 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: like you have to put like inspired like action behind 207 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: your like thoughts. Of course, you know, so I work 208 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: my ass off, but I think that you know, I 209 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: don't like of course, when I was first signed, I 210 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: did listen to a lot of people, and it hurt 211 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: my brain and spirit, you know, because everyone has an opinion, 212 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: and even now, everyone has an opinion about what, you know, 213 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: I should be wearing, doing everything, and it's because they 214 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: and sometimes I mean really well, and sometimes I just 215 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: want to be part of the you know, I don't 216 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: know just to say something I don't really know anymore 217 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: as ego or whatever. But the people that I love 218 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: and trust I listened to, I'm like, hey, what do 219 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: you think about this song. Yeah, I dig that like 220 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: eel one better at whatever, right, you know, And I'm 221 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: totally cool with that. But you know, ultimately, as I 222 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: said before, I'm pretty strong, like kind of minded. So 223 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 2: I mean some things like, yes, I listened to a 224 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: lot of people and did some weird things in the beginning. Absolutely, 225 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: I mean my second video clip was weird. It was 226 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: very weird. It's like I didn't even want to watch it. 227 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 2: That second single was bizarre. But anyway, you know, I 228 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: had my thoughts about that. I thought that there could 229 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: have been a stronger second single off the record, belief, 230 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: but the label went with what they went with. So 231 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: you know, you can't do much sometimes with you know, 232 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: you don't really have even though you have success with 233 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: the first single, you don't really have much of a 234 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: voice when you know, the powers that be have their opinion. 235 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 3: To what degree. And we've lived through the me too era? 236 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: Was this something you experienced in your time in the 237 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: mainstream up to today? 238 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: No, there's some weird people. Honestly, whenever I have a 239 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: gut feeling, and my parents really instill this to me 240 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: as a kid, whenever you feel like something's weird, just 241 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: just leave you know, just go there's a door. There's 242 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: always a door. 243 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: You know. 244 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: And I always feel that, you know what I mean, 245 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: if you feel anything weird or anything strange or like 246 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: with anybody you know and that you know goes with 247 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: anyone in this business or whatever in life. It's like, 248 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: if you feel weird about something or uncomfortable, I think, 249 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: just you know, have the strength just walk out. And 250 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: you know, even if it's you know, egos are bruised 251 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: or whatever happens, just get out of there. You know. 252 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: That's why I look at it. As I said, I'm 253 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: a pretty strong sort of personality. I should say I 254 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: always have been. 255 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 3: So yeah, Okay, where are you from in Australia. 256 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: I'm from Adelaide, South Australia. I'm a Southerner. 257 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: Okay, I've been a couple of times. I've not been 258 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: to Adelaide. How far is Adelaide from Sydney or Melbourne. 259 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: It's about an hour thirty plane trip. And Adelaide is beautiful. 260 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 2: I got to tell you, growing up there it was wonderful. 261 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: I had kind of the best sort of childhood. My 262 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: parents allowed me to have many animals, so I essentially 263 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: grew up on a farm and my studio and just 264 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: having my cousins. I'm half Greek, so is that my 265 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: big fat Greek wedding? The way I grew up with 266 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: my parents home, my auntie's home, my grandma's home, all 267 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: in a row, and we're playing sports in the street, jamming. 268 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: My cousin's are guitar players as well. My dad's a 269 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: guitar player. And I used to you know, I quit 270 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: school when I was fourteen to play in the pubs. 271 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 2: So I used to pretend I was older than what 272 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: I was. You know, I put on more makeup than 273 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: I'm wearing now, and I used to tease my hair 274 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 2: up and wear crazy stuff and pretend I was like, 275 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: you know, eighteen to get into the clubs. And the 276 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: worst was when they're like fourteen year old guitar player. 277 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, ah damn, and then that body girl's like 278 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: you're out. So, you know, but I used to play 279 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: three nights a week in Australia, so that was I 280 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: made a pretty good living, I must say. As a kid. 281 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: Okay, let's go back to the beginning. How many kids 282 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: in the. 283 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: Family, just me and my sister. 284 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 3: Since you're older, younger, she's. 285 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: Younger, but she definitely acts older, that's for sure. 286 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 3: And what is she up to teach days? 287 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: She's an art teacher. She's an incredible artist. She is 288 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: so amazing. She actually designed my oth symbol that I 289 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: use on everything, my signature guitars, I see nature amplifiers, 290 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: my signature vodka which I have about now too many things. 291 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 3: You know. 292 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: She's just incredible, and she's very much no, she's very 293 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: centered kind of being like, she's very calming energy, she's 294 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: very she can work on an art piece for like 295 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: ten to twelve hours or not move, whereas I can 296 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: sit with my for six hours and and be, you know, 297 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: completely content. So we were definitely very artsy sort of kids, 298 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: and having parents that supported that. It was wonderful, truly. 299 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: What did your parents do for a living? 300 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: My father was in finance. He's actually retired now so 301 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: he's he's very happy. And my mom, she has had 302 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: many jobs. She was for a model. My mom's also 303 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,239 Speaker 2: a romance writer from Mills and Boone. She's a bestseller. 304 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: And she also works for the government in this really 305 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: sort of a position of working with Aboriginal employment and 306 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: many different things and financing businesses and everything. So she's uh, 307 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: she she works her butt off like my mum. I 308 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: don't even know how she funds time for herself, but 309 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: you know she's a I guess I get being a 310 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: workaholic from her too. Am I am my dad too. 311 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 3: But you know, are your parents still together? 312 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: They are? 313 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 3: Yep. Okay, let's back up a little bit. You're a 314 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: little kid. You're just starting to go to school. What 315 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: kind of kid are you? Are you a tomboy? You 316 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: talk about playing in the street. Are you someone who's 317 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: a nerd. Are you someone who is isolated, someone with 318 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: a million friends? What kind of kid do you like? 319 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: Kind of all of that, I'm going to tell you 320 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: I was really weird. I was completely artzy, into the 321 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: music down on the flip side. I was obsessed with sports. 322 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: I was a tomboy. I was on a winning basketball team. 323 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: I love basketball. I love playing. I was a football 324 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: team as well. I played baseball, and you know, I 325 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: used to do everything. I just I thought I was 326 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: like one of the one of the guys when I 327 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: was a kid, because I was so many like you know, 328 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: I all like cousins and friends that picking up the 329 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: guitar because my dad, I wanted to like bond with him. 330 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 2: And when I saw him playing like Hendrix's one day 331 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: in the living room, I'm like, what's that? Like that's cool, 332 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: you know, like I want to be able to do that. 333 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: And then he played me like the Santana records. So 334 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: it became obsessed with playing guitar. So, you know, wearing 335 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendrix's Tired Eye T shirts and Santana kind of 336 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: inspired crocheted sort of hats and all that kind of 337 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: stuff to school doesn't win you many friends, you know, 338 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: definitely not. And then putting out posters on you know, 339 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: wolves going I want to start a band, you know, 340 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: inspired by BB King, Jimmy Hendrix, DV Ray, Santana. People 341 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 2: like what is going on? 342 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: You know? 343 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: So I definitely grew up in a time what There's 344 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: no question about that. 345 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 3: So when did you pick up the guitar? 346 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: I was six years old and I remember my dad 347 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: taught me like three chords and I was like, this 348 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: is awesome. I'm going to write songs now. So I 349 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: was after the Racis and the first thing that I 350 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: was obsessed with was actually songwriting because of Elvis Presley, 351 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 2: the Beatles, Roy Orbison, you know, John Lennon, just listening 352 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 2: to Bob Dylan, listening to you know, just a lyric 353 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: and the storytelling of it all. I really got into 354 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: that first, and then Jimmy Hendrix and Santana and then 355 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 2: you know, I studied classical guitar. I played in an 356 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: Orchestra Oklahoma production as a ten year old. I went 357 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: to university when I was ten and studied classical. So 358 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: I studied theory. I yeah, I just always had to 359 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: kind of keep on like learning things. You know, for me, 360 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: I just had to always be a busy body and 361 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: do stuff. But for me, classical guitar and learning theory 362 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: was like going to school. And I hated school because 363 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: I hated like people telling me what to do, and 364 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: so it became like very confined. So I got out 365 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 2: of there. I got past level two with a credit 366 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: and I passed really well. But that was enough for me. 367 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: And my teacher was a bit of an ass as well. 368 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 2: He was just a real hard ass on me. So 369 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: out of there. Then listened to Santana records and my 370 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: dad took me to a Santana show. Danced the Rainbow 371 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 2: Dance of the Rainbow Serpent Concert, and I remember were 372 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: sitting in sort of like the back area and he 373 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: went into Europa and those opening notes were so beautiful, 374 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: and I'm going, man, like that is so amazing, Like 375 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: it's like heavenlyless tone and just everything. I want to 376 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 2: be able to do that, you know. And so I 377 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: quit classical, became obsessed with playing electric and just learned 378 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: every Santana song basically, and then bb King and CEV 379 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: Ray and all that. But it just kind of put 380 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: me on this sort of tangent of just exploring an 381 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: adventure and just a calling. I think more than anything, 382 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: it was like a calling and purpose and I wanted 383 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: to be able to do that for the rest of 384 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 2: my life because I think i'd be five from anything else, 385 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: you know. 386 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: So, Okay, can you read music at this point? 387 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 2: Yes, yes I can. Yeah, that was part of the studying. 388 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't done it for a minute. And 389 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: it's funny you kind of want to unlearn all of 390 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: that because when I'm soloing now, especially making records and 391 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: two records right now or completing two then really done. 392 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: But when you're in the studio and I'm playing a 393 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: solo or coming up with stuff, I don't want to 394 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: think about theory. I don't think about thinking about, oh, 395 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: I'm playing this kind of mode or I'm doing whatever. 396 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: But sometimes when it came in handy. When I was 397 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: working actually with A. R. Rahman, he did some dog 398 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: Millionaire and we did the soundtrack for it was a 399 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: number one movie in India, a rock star, and I 400 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: played the guitar and on that, and he called me 401 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: in to do Sata Hark which was actually a big 402 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: anthem in India. It was number one for a very 403 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: long time. So I played all the guitar parts for that, 404 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: so the actor had to come in and learn them. 405 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 2: But it was all Indian scale, So learning that was 406 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: a whole situation, you know, for a couple of days. 407 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: And then you know, yeah, and then recently doing some 408 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: stuff with a Colombian artist who's a major pop star, 409 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: Carol g and she had some stuff in her music 410 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: too which was all these different scales and whatnot, which 411 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 2: was really interesting. We played rock and rio together. It 412 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 2: was like two hundred thousand people. That was a couple 413 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: of months ago. But you know, that kind of stuff 414 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: comes in handy for I don't know, just knowing the scales, 415 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 2: I guess, so yeah. 416 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 3: Okay, there's a strong Australian music scene, a lot of 417 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 3: legendary rock acts, also some pop acts. You're talking about 418 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 3: acts from an earlier era Santana, BB King Hendrix to 419 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 3: what deg Weed. Were you paying attention to the Australian 420 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: music market or pop market or were you paying attention 421 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: to the classics? 422 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: You know, I loved, obviously listening to quite a few 423 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 2: Australian bands like growing Up. My mom is a massive 424 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 2: to me Barnes fans, so you know, I loved listening 425 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: to Coltrees or my dad as well, and then Tommy 426 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: Emmanuel who's an amazing guitar player, so I used to 427 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: go to his shows, and yeah, I mean Savage Garden 428 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 2: as well. I used to listen to them because I 429 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: thought they were like really cool. It had some really 430 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: good pop songs, and you know, playing out a cover 431 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: band too, I had to learn a lot of pop 432 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: songs and learning how to put like a guitar solo 433 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: in a Kylie Minogue song or like, you know, stuff 434 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: like that, because you're playing until three am and you've 435 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: got to play you know, songs off the radio. So 436 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: that's when I actually started listening to the radio when 437 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: I was in a cover band. 438 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 3: Okay, you pick up the guitar, you're a songwriter. Does 439 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 3: your father have a slow of equipment you could just 440 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: use or when do you get a guitar. 441 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: My dad's left handed, so I learned left handed first, 442 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: and then he was like, I think you should learn 443 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: right handed because you're going to have more choice and 444 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 2: guitars because you get to a guitar store and there's 445 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: like two crappy lets in your left handed ones in 446 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: the corner. The rest are all you know, right handed. 447 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: So he was right about that, but absolutely he converted 448 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: a couple of guitars for me to use as a kid. 449 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 2: I must say I was pretty spoiled. When I was 450 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: six years old. I had one two five Gibson to 451 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: use and it was red, and I loved it so much. 452 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 2: And my dad's like, just be really careful with this, okay, 453 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 2: just use it at home. And I would sneak it 454 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 2: and take it to school and play assemblies and with 455 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: the songs I've written, because I thought the songs were 456 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: so great. I had backup dancers and I would take 457 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: his amp, his nineteen seventy something Bendor ramp with me 458 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: with that you know, old one two five and put 459 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 2: it in the back of the car and my mum 460 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: was like, what's going on. I was a Dad's that's 461 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: cool with that. Sorry. And then one time my dad 462 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: saw me coming home, He's like, what are you doing. 463 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, nothing, nothing to see here, you know, carrying 464 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: my guitar, carrying his guitar and app but he actually 465 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 2: gave it to me and he was very supportive. And 466 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 2: then after you know, seeing Santana, I really wanted a 467 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: Pori smith and for my Christmas and Birthday and I 468 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 2: don't even know what, my dad got me a PRS. 469 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: It was very very generous and they were very supportive, 470 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: and then I just saved up for my own gear 471 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: from then on, you know, because you just we're working 472 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: three nights a week, so I definitely contributed. 473 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: Oko. How did you actually learn how to play? 474 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 2: My dad taught me first a few chords, then I 475 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: studied classical. I did have one teacher at the rock shop. 476 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 2: His name was Rath, remember him. He was great. He 477 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 2: was so he was so excited about music and I 478 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: used to love just jamming with him and bringing songs 479 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: to him and he would teach me in different things 480 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: and I'd be like, I want to learn this, and 481 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: he would give me assignments and then after that it 482 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: was mostly I would say I learned the most from 483 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: just listening to records, from putting them on and learning 484 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: all videos VHS and I would want I would wear 485 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: out VHS my favorite ever. And I say this to 486 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: people to always check out Sacred Fire live in Mexico, Santana. 487 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 3: Okay, you know, supposedly Dwayne Allman took the guitar to 488 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 3: the bathroom. You know, how much did you practice? How 489 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: devoted were you five. 490 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: To six hours a day or more? And you know 491 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 2: I used to do things like not all kind of 492 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: bad things that my parents are like, don't do this 493 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: or exam and I would do it purposely. Started get 494 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 2: sent to my room. That means perfect, I can go 495 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 2: sit with my guitar, you know, for hours, because if 496 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: I was just in there for hours, my parents were like, 497 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 2: sometimes you should come out, you know, it's not healthy 498 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: for you'd be in your room for like, you know, 499 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: six seven hours, and so yeah, I think that, you know, 500 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 2: for me, I was just obsessed with it. Like you 501 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: can't force anyone to really do anything, but as a kid, 502 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 2: when you find something to be really like just intriguing. 503 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: And the guitar for me was and it was like 504 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: powerful and still now and a look at it's a 505 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 2: pretty intimidating instrument. Like it's not like I play it 506 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: the same every day. I don't, and I have I 507 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: have about fifty guitars in my living room right now, 508 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: which is kind of excessive, but you know, it makes 509 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 2: me feel comfortable. I sort of feel like they will 510 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: have different personalities and I sit with them and they 511 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: bring out different songs, and yeah, I mean I'm obsessed 512 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 2: with I'm obsessed with with music and guitar, and I 513 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone could ever, you know, I don't 514 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: know like like distract me from that, either if I'm stuck, 515 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: if I'm in a writing mode, or if I'm rehearsing 516 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: that I'm going to be joining Alice Cooper for ten 517 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 2: shows coming up, so I'm learning like twenty five of 518 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: his songs right now. I'm definitely like, turn everything off, 519 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: leave me alone. Think you know, I'm not gonna be 520 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 2: pretty OCD like that. 521 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 3: If you are not writing a song or not preparing 522 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 3: for a tour, are you playing the guitar every day 523 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: or just when you know you have work coming up. 524 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: Some days I take a rest because if I've been 525 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: playing shows back to back or whatever it is, my 526 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: hands are pretty cut up, you know. And even in 527 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,239 Speaker 2: the studio too. I've been working on two records. I've 528 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 2: been working with Eddie Kramer, who is a legend, you know, 529 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: and that's been a true honor. And by the end 530 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 2: of I think I did five or six hours of 531 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: guitar parts with him the other day, and I had 532 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: the indentse of like all the strings on my hands. 533 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, I left the guitar alone for like a 534 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: day or so after that, because you know, it was painful. 535 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: You know, you can't. I don't want to cut my 536 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: hands open. So but other than that, no, I love playing, 537 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: you know, and that's the thing that's the most important thing, 538 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: like what you do it for. I get to do 539 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 2: what I love for a living, and sometimes that what 540 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 2: I get paiper is like they're traveling and everything else, 541 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 2: because that's crazy sometimes, but I'm very grateful. Having gratitude 542 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 2: is everything, you know. 543 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 3: Okay, are you a gear head? 544 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 2: Somewhat? Not as much as some people. My dad is 545 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: far more than I am. He collects a lot of 546 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 2: pedals like my mom collects shoes. He has the pedal situation. 547 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 2: I collect some pedals and I get given some and 548 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 2: I use them like I have like a I wouldn't 549 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 2: say it's a crazy looking pedal board. It just has 550 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 2: like some really special pedals on there. That makes sense 551 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 2: to me right now, and I'll change things up later too, 552 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 2: you know. I think that, you know, it's the thing 553 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: where whatever sort of fits the set, you know, And 554 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 2: right now I'm kind of going for some pretty wild 555 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: sort of tones and working with different producers too, especially 556 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: Eddie and Kevin Shirley too, who produced my producer this 557 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 2: new record with me, because I've self produced half of 558 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: it and he did the rest. Working with him. He's like, 559 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: try this pedal or try that. So I'm taking suggestions, 560 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 2: you know. I'm always open hard and open minded with that. 561 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: I don't like too much stuff though. I like the connection, 562 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 2: but I always use the distortion from the amp. And 563 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: I have my own amplifier now, which is very awesome 564 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: to be able to have created my own signature model 565 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 2: with Orange, which is such a you know, incredible legendary 566 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: like AMP company coming out of England, working with Cliff 567 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: over there and Pat Foley, and it took about a 568 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: couple of years to make this amp, and I sent 569 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: back a lot of them and now it's it turned 570 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: out perfect and we sold out. We sold out of them, 571 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: so that was really cool. 572 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 3: Okay, were you an orange person before you made Rowning. 573 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: Up for a moment? Yes, I didn't. 574 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 3: Like. 575 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: I tried them out for like about a year or 576 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: two or maybe more, maybe three years. I was using 577 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: Marshall Evh before that. I went through I have a 578 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: whole like amp graveyard of things because I go through 579 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: them and I'm like, this worked for this tour. I 580 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,239 Speaker 2: didn't even know what I used for the Alice Kuper tour. 581 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: I kind of remember, but really high gain ants and whatnot, 582 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: and they'll be out of control, you know. And I 583 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: wanted something that was sort of beastly but not too 584 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: beastly and then had the you know sound that's super 585 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: big and kind of powerful but not thin sounding. And 586 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: and then I went over to Alexander dumbles home he's 587 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: a very prestigious like ant maker, and spent some time 588 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 2: with him and when I got listened to his amp, 589 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: It's like whoa. That sound is like godly like, you know, 590 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: and then listen to vintage amps and you go, it's 591 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 2: about that the way it just sounds. You just plug 592 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: your guitar straight in and you don't need anything, you know. 593 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 2: It's that connection. And I wanted to create something like that. 594 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: And I knew that Orange had the power, you know, 595 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: and I love Marshall too, but the Marshals are newer ones. 596 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: I was using sounds a bit too thin, and I 597 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 2: don't know if it's just the ones I got, but 598 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 2: I just wasn't completely content at that point with them. 599 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: So when Orange came along, I was like, this has power. 600 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 2: It's kind of glorified Marshals that have found but that 601 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: British blues sound. And then we sort of modified it 602 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: and modified it more and more, and then they were like, oh, 603 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: we want to come out with your signature ramp. And 604 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I love I love reverb. Reverb is 605 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: one of my favorite things. So they were like, okay, 606 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: cool and it. So we called it the the Ori verb. 607 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of reverb going on and it's 608 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: it's really I love the amp. I really do. My 609 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: neighbors I don't think they really like the ant, but 610 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: you know it's loud. 611 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 3: So you say it's sold out. Do you have any 612 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: idea how many they made. 613 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: A lot of them. I got to get the right, 614 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: I've got to get the number. But we sold a lot. 615 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 2: And now we've come out with a crush version which 616 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: is half the price, well actually a quarter the price, 617 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: so kids can afford it because the other one was 618 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: a little more expensive. And we always do that, like 619 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: with Gibson. I'm coming out with my epiphone, you know, 620 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: because we my my acoustic, my J two hundred, which 621 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: I did the red one. It was incredible. We created 622 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: it and it was a third biggest seller next to 623 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: Elvis and Bob Dylan for a J two hundred artist. 624 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: It was crazy that that happened. But they allowed me 625 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: to run wild in the battery and I'm like, I 626 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 2: want crystals, I want lotus flowers, I want right red. 627 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: I want to make it with a three forty five 628 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: neck on it. So it was an electric neck on 629 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: an acoustic body, and you know, I just really changed 630 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: stuff up. So it was I think it's the first 631 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: hybrid acoustic. So it's the playability of it. You can 632 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: play leads on it, right, so you can play whatever 633 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: you want. And the pickup too. I really sat with 634 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: LR bags and modified the pickup immensely too. 635 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 3: Okay, these guitars and amps that are selling so well, 636 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 3: are they selling purely on the fact that they're that 637 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 3: good or to what degree are you marketing them? Personally? 638 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: I just think they're just really good. They're quality, they're 639 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: not crappy. So I think that if they were like marketed, 640 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: because you know, there's been a lot of marketing behind it. 641 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: Of course, the companies have done an incredible job and 642 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 2: having a support of a lot of different outlets too. 643 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: But I think if someone bought it and I was like, 644 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 2: oh my god, this is a piece of crap that 645 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 2: I don't think it would have sold out, you know. 646 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: And plus I wouldn't put my name to it either, 647 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: because I would feel really bad about that, you know. 648 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: I don't just put out stuff for the sake of it. 649 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: Okay, you have a signature amp, we're in the studio. 650 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 3: Are you using other brands or only your own app? 651 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: Oh? 652 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: I'm using other stuff too. I'm using a vintage Champ 653 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 2: as well, which I I turn up to breaking point 654 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: and that sounds great with my klon And then I 655 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: used to dumble in the studio as well, and then 656 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: I also used what else did I use? That's probably 657 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: that's probably three amps, but mostly most of my leaves 658 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: were done with my orange. 659 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 3: You can say that, okay, yeah, unlike boast orange, APS 660 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 3: is not orange. So can you tell me about that? 661 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: It is not orange. It's an orange champ, but it's 662 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: not orange. That's all I can say. I mean, look, 663 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 2: I just wanted to make a cool looking amp and 664 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: I love the white with the you know, the design 665 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: on with the flowers and the black, and it just 666 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: looked very striking to me. With the gold, yeah, I mean, 667 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: I just wanted to change it up a bit. You know, 668 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: Glenn Hughes has a purple orange, so I wanted to 669 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: have a white and black and gold orange. There's nothing 670 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: really more to it than that. 671 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 3: So tell me about the fifty guitars. 672 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 2: They're in my living room right now. That's not including 673 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 2: my storage in it, or my closets or Australia my 674 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: studio there. But I have quite a few going on here. 675 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: This is my beautiful purple PRS, which I've had for 676 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 2: a very long time. This is number one, and this 677 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 2: is my this is my number one guitar. I love 678 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: it so much, and it's one solid piece of like 679 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,479 Speaker 2: Brazilian rosewood, and the pickups in it are the Paul 680 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 2: By Smith's magical pickups that I have no idea what 681 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 2: he put in them, but they're magical and I love them. 682 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: And I have like tons of the guitars over here. 683 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: This one here is made for the Alice Cooper shows 684 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: coming up, so I'm actually going to be auctioning this 685 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 2: off and Alice and I are going to sign the 686 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 2: guitars I'll be using for the tour, and I'm raising 687 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 2: money for the Children's Hospital, So I feel really good 688 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: about that because every night knowing that, you know I'm 689 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: going to be putting a lot of money towards that 690 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 2: foundation makes me feel good. So we've got three of those, 691 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 2: pretty gnarly looking and this one here was given to 692 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: me by one of my very very dear friends. This 693 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 2: is number two ever made of the Jimi Hendrix love 694 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: Drops guitars, so very very amazing, and I'll be using 695 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 2: that I don't know, a special performance so I'm waiting for. 696 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 2: And there's all these other guitars too, and more of 697 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 2: it the other side. 698 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 3: But yes, you know, I read you have a DS 699 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 3: three thirty five. You know certain people like Les Pauls 700 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: a certain vintage, certain stratocasters. Are you someone who collects 701 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 3: that stuff? 702 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I have quite a few vintage guitars right now 703 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 2: which I love. My sixty two three thirty five is 704 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 2: an Argentina gray Burst, very rare. I've been looking for 705 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: a three thirty five for a very long time and 706 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 2: this one is just amazing. It's my one of my 707 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: favorite guitars ever. I gotta say, it's kind of like 708 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 2: a fifty nine less poll, but it's like, no, you know, so. 709 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,479 Speaker 3: How did you find the ES three thirty five? 710 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 2: You know what? This one came out of a private 711 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 2: collection and it just appeared one day, so you know 712 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 2: I and I honestly I was like wow, like this 713 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: when I've actually played quite a few three thirty five 714 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 2: and I've been looking for the right one for a 715 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 2: really long time, and then when this one was put 716 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 2: in my hand, it was like, Okay, this is this 717 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 2: is the right one. And the same with the the 718 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,479 Speaker 2: Telly I got in Japan. It's the nineteen seventy two. 719 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 2: I believe it. Yeah, it's incredible. This blue Telly, and 720 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: I loved it so much. Had to get that sixty 721 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 2: three strat as well. I had a fifty nine strat 722 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 2: which I loved for a minute. Then I got rid 723 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 2: of it because it wouldn't stay in shune. But you know, 724 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 2: it depends, you know what I mean. It's like sometimes guitars, 725 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 2: you need them for a minute and then and then 726 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 2: I will trade them all or change, you know, because 727 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 2: it's like I need to be able to play them live, 728 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 2: you know, if they can't stay in tune or they're 729 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 2: just for studio use only, and then they're not. I 730 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: don't think I should be workhorses because I've already been workhorses, 731 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 2: you know, like they're vintage for a reason. You don't. 732 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,959 Speaker 2: I couldn't. Plus I would feel a bit weird taking 733 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 2: out in the road. Have had like six guitars solen 734 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: so fast, so I don't want anymore. No taken. 735 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 3: So you know, some people get a guitar and they 736 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 3: tear it apart, they change the pickups, et cetera. Are 737 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 3: you that type of person? 738 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 2: No? No, I don't like to change things up on 739 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 2: a guitar. If I'm going to get a gitar, I 740 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 2: don't and there's something is awful about it, and if 741 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 2: that awful thing was fixed it would be perfect. Then yes, 742 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: but I haven't. I don't think that's really happened with 743 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 2: a guitar. Yeah, I can really think of unless the guitar, 744 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 2: unless the tech of mine has done that. But I don't. 745 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 2: I don't recall anything being drastically changed to guitars i've purchased. 746 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 3: No, Okay, you have a deal with PRS, but you 747 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 3: made an epiphone. What's going on? 748 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 2: Yes, I have a deal with Gibson, have a deal 749 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 2: with pory Smith, and I have a deal with Orange 750 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 2: and yeah, I mean, but the thing is with with 751 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 2: the pory Smith situation, that's electric and with Gibson it's acoustic. 752 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 2: So I you know, yes, that's the situation there. So 753 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 2: I'm yeah, which is which is awesome because I was 754 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,760 Speaker 2: with I was with Martin prior to being with you know, Gibson. 755 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 2: Then I was with Taylor Acoustics before that as well, 756 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 2: and I had my own Maiden sorry Martin, which was 757 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 2: an eco friendly Martin. Then I was promoting this Taylor 758 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 2: Acoustic which they were all great. But when I had 759 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 2: the opportunity on says A, the owner of Gibson approached 760 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,959 Speaker 2: me and we had dinner with him and his wife. 761 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 2: It's like, I want to tell Gibson with you. I'm like, okay, well, 762 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 2: i've been so lord a PRS for twenty something plus years. 763 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 2: I can't do electric, but we could do a hybrid 764 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 2: acoustic that would be really cool. And he was like, yeah, 765 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 2: that'll be awesome. And then went to the factory in 766 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 2: Montana and I was going to go with a white one, 767 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: but apparently white guitars are very hard to put in production, 768 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 2: so everyone was steering me away from white. They're like, 769 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 2: whatever you do, tell Veron to do a white one. 770 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,919 Speaker 2: Unlet's what we're doing doing a white guitar. Of course, 771 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 2: it's suppressing. I wanted them. Then I saw the red. 772 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 2: They had this red colored guitar. It's like a one 773 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 2: went off or something in the corner. I'm like, oh no, 774 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 2: we're gonna go with red. So everyone was really happy 775 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 2: when I said I changed my mind. And then I 776 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 2: was like, I want to change a pit guard. I 777 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 2: want to put lotus flowers all over it, and I 778 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 2: puts the train and amethyst crystals on there and and 779 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 2: make it like a guitar that like no one's really 780 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 2: seen before. So you know, when it's on a when 781 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 2: it's next to other guitars, that stands out and people 782 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: want to buy it. You know, like when you're a kid, 783 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 2: you want to see a red fire engine, you know, 784 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 2: it's like or a red car race car. It's like 785 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 2: for me, I just kind of went with that, and 786 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 2: I sort of thought like the kid and me, like 787 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 2: I I would want to buy that guitar. 788 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 3: So, okay, you've mentioned a couple of times being a 789 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 3: kid playing Three Nights Out, Tell me about that. 790 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty wild. My mom would pick me 791 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 2: up sometimes at three am, bless her, and it was 792 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 2: a great group of guys that I would be much 793 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 2: older than me playing, you know, when I was playing 794 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 2: those cover of gigs and they were long evening three sets, 795 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 2: you know, and you play in front of drunken, rowdy 796 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 2: Australian pub scene of craziness. And yeah, that's why I 797 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 2: quit school because you know I would show up West 798 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 2: very West wil Weare the next morning at school, you know, 799 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 2: and what's wrong with you? And like I just you know, 800 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 2: played night before and I'd still have like, you know, 801 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 2: bright blue eyeshadow on and glitter all over me still 802 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 2: and tried to scrub it off and be sent to 803 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 2: the detention room because I'd be unruly or something, because 804 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 2: I'd be always getting into it with the teachers like oh, 805 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 2: you don't why are you looking so weird? Like I 806 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 2: don't know, man, like you know, it was always weird 807 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 2: for me. So I just I had enough of that 808 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 2: kind of authority situation at school. It was just I 809 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 2: don't know, at one point, I just felt like they're 810 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 2: just picking our meat. It It wasn't just the kids, 811 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 2: because I got bullied at school, but it was it 812 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,479 Speaker 2: was kind of the teachers too, that went very nice. 813 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 2: Some of them were, but some of them weren't. They 814 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,760 Speaker 2: were very conservative, and I guess they were thinking, oh, 815 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 2: this is a very strange, strange child. You know. So 816 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 2: I had enough of that. 817 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 3: How did you join that behind? What was the trajectory 818 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 3: in terms of playing out and then finding these gentlemen 819 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 3: that you were playing with continuously? 820 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just sort of I don't actually 821 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,919 Speaker 2: know how it really happened through a friend. I guess 822 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 2: I met this songwriter friend when I saw my first 823 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 2: management deal when I was like fourteen, and then he 824 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 2: got me into playing acoustic shows. Actually yeah, his name 825 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 2: was Roger, I remember this. So we started writing songs 826 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 2: together and then he was like, we should do an 827 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 2: acoustic duo thing and pubs, and then that sort of 828 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 2: sprout into doing cover band stuff. So yeah, it was 829 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 2: a friend. He was much older and a songwriter in 830 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 2: our lat Australia. 831 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 3: So okay, So you continued to play with the same band, 832 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 3: the same guys pretty much. 833 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of different sort of lineups. I 834 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 2: should say it because we had like three nights a 835 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 2: week with different bands and one was Cooled Drop D 836 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 2: which is a cover band and I would share vocals, 837 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 2: and then the other one was with another friend of 838 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,879 Speaker 2: mine that I'll do the acoustic duo thing as well 839 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 2: with my friend. 840 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 3: How much money could you make? 841 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 2: God, I think it was quite a bit. I think 842 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 2: for a kid. I don't know. It was like three 843 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 2: p fifty a night to four hundred. Yeah, so I 844 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 2: was making a lot more than other fourteen year olds, 845 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 2: so you know. 846 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 3: Okay, So at what age do you start making your 847 00:42:59,400 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 3: own record? 848 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 2: Fourteen? First record? 849 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 3: And what do you do for equipment? How do you 850 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 3: learn how to use it? How do you do it. 851 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 2: So my dad he learned how to use recording gear. 852 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 2: He had a task can so he cleared out the 853 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 2: living room, which is called the rumpus room at the time, 854 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 2: and we got some musicians, the best ones in Auvlade 855 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 2: and my dad he was like, let's do a record 856 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 2: and I was like, hey, cool, and so we did 857 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 2: some covers on there, like Eric Clapton covers covered Santana 858 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 2: and then I had a couple originals on there and 859 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 2: it was called Under the Influence and I did that 860 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 2: at fourteen, and you know, it's just kind of weird 861 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 2: to name it that, but it was because it was 862 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 2: under the influence of these amazing, you know, guitar players, 863 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 2: and I covered their songs. So we got the band 864 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 2: in the living room and blessed my mother because it 865 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 2: looked like terrible, like we've destroyed the whole kitchen living 866 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 2: room area, and my dad miked everything up and he 867 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 2: recorded it. So I recorded that with my dad. Yeah, 868 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 2: my first first ever EP. 869 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 3: Okay, was this the record that was signed to Universal 870 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 3: Australia or is this before that? 871 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 2: No, that was way before that. We're not way I 872 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 2: shouldn't say. 873 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 3: So. 874 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 2: I was about sixteen seventeen when I actually learned how 875 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 2: to engineer and produce myself. So my dad's like he 876 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 2: took me to a studio, one of the top studios 877 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 2: in Adelaide, Australia, and I sat with the people there 878 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,799 Speaker 2: and I learned how to mic things properly, how to 879 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 2: you know, learn how to use this role In twenty 880 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 2: four eighty so I had two of those and I 881 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 2: lined them up together. So I had two twenty four 882 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 2: track recorders digital workstations, and I would hook them up 883 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 2: to these NS tens and learn how to you know, 884 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 2: mic everything correctly. Find the right A vocal microphone was 885 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 2: really important too, which I used E Rhodes, which is 886 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 2: Australian brand, and then just different you know, compressors and 887 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 2: different things, and then how to play the drums and 888 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 2: how to mic drums. And I would spend hours sitting 889 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 2: at the studio with the guys there at I think 890 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 2: it was Cooled Fat Tracks Recording studio in Adelaide, and 891 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 2: then some friends would come over and show me as well. 892 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,360 Speaker 2: My dad would help me a lot as well, so 893 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 2: I kind of just absorbed all of that also reading 894 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 2: about it, got books on it, and then I was like, Okay, 895 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to learn how to play all these instruments. 896 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to do everything myself. Prince was a big 897 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 2: influence on me because Prince would do everything himself. So 898 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to do that too. 899 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 3: Say okay, the original EP. Did you sell it to 900 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 3: people or just make it? 901 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 2: We just sent it out to everyone. I think my dad, 902 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 2: my mom. We sent it out too different. I don't 903 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 2: even know who I got signed to. Sorry, a management 904 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 2: team in Australia, so different different labels in Australia, and 905 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 2: I got a lot of rejection letters going, we don't 906 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,839 Speaker 2: know what to do with a young fourteen year old 907 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 2: girl who just plays instrumental music. You know that's not 908 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 2: really going to work. And then I got that's when 909 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 2: I send it to Pori Smith Guitars and Santana management. 910 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 2: I got a message back from actually Santana's brother, you're 911 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 2: Agay Santana and then hey, you say in yeah, and 912 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 2: so he would. He wrote me back and said we've 913 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 2: been listening to it in the office and Carlos absolutely 914 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 2: loves it. And that was a huge honor. In the 915 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 2: email back from him, and then from Poris Smith guitars. 916 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 2: He wanted me to come over to the Nam Show, 917 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 2: but I was way too young. And then I finally 918 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,440 Speaker 2: did go over there and I was a bit older, 919 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 2: but getting the support of you know, Pori Smith Guitars 920 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 2: and Santana Management. I got like a review in Classic 921 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 2: Rock magazine or Classic Guitar Magazine in the UK. They 922 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,280 Speaker 2: did a review on it, which was awesome. And then yeah, 923 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I just got to I got 924 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 2: to management sort of deal out of that too. In Australia, 925 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,839 Speaker 2: so I got to open for Zizi Top when I 926 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 2: was like fifteen sixteen, and then opening for Steve Via, 927 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,240 Speaker 2: playing Adelaide, five hundred car Race, Suzi Quatro, like tons 928 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 2: of things, and I think that Coca Cola Festival. I 929 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 2: did a lot of like things in Australia before coming 930 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 2: over here. Yeah, it was a wild ride for sure. 931 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 2: And so you know, knowing Billy Gibbons since I was 932 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 2: like sixteen, I'm playing his birthday party tomorrow at the Tributor, 933 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,279 Speaker 2: So that's going to be cool. 934 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,399 Speaker 3: Okay, So the record that you made that you made 935 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,359 Speaker 3: a deal with Universal, did you play all the instruments. 936 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,359 Speaker 2: Are the one in Australia. Yeah, that's the one. I yes, 937 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 2: So I did everything myself and then we distributed, got 938 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 2: to deal with Universal after it was done. 939 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, and your experience with management at that time good 940 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,280 Speaker 3: or bad? 941 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 2: Interesting? Yeah. It was three people and they all had 942 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 2: different opinions and they were all pretty connected in Australia 943 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 2: and Adelaide, and it was it was interesting. Let me 944 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 2: leave it at that. 945 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, So what year do you ultimately come 946 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 3: to America. 947 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 2: God, I think it was two thousand and three, less 948 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 2: than two, but I got it. I don't even know, 949 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 2: to be honest with you, it was really Yeah, it 950 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,319 Speaker 2: was early on. 951 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 3: Okay, how did you make it to the point where 952 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,240 Speaker 3: ended up being in Michael Jackson's band. 953 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 2: Well, I was signed with Interscope, I was making my record. 954 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 2: I was in the studio with the legendary Diane Warren. 955 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 2: I was cutting a song with her, and I had 956 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,439 Speaker 2: my Space going on. I think everyone had my Space 957 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,280 Speaker 2: that are going at that point, and I was checking 958 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 2: my messages and we had a break. I needed a 959 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 2: vocal break or something, and I was checking messages and whatnot, 960 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 2: and message came up. Michael Jackson saw you at the 961 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 2: Grammy Awards with Carrie Underwood. You're exactly what he's looking for? 962 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 2: Or can you learn his songs and come in tomorrow? 963 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 2: You know he wants to hire you. I'm going this 964 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 2: is crazy. So I went over to Diana. I said, 965 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 2: do you think this is real? Do you think this 966 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 2: is some I think it's crazy. She was like, it 967 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 2: looks kind of real to me. I was like, Okay, 968 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 2: call my manager. I was signed to nineteen Entertainment. I 969 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 2: was the first non idol to be signed to Simon 970 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,839 Speaker 2: Fuller and so my manager at the time, I said, hey, 971 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 2: could you respond to this presson because I think this 972 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 2: is real? Because this looks pretty cool. I'm like, yeah, 973 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 2: I know, I'm kind of making an album with like Interoscope, 974 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 2: but like this would be kind of cool to play 975 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 2: guitar for, you know, Michael Jackson. So he wrote him 976 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,399 Speaker 2: and he was legit and Michael called me that night 977 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 2: and it was from Michael Bearden, who was a dear 978 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,680 Speaker 2: friend of mine and Michael Jackson. They both called me 979 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 2: and they were like, could you come in tomorrow learn 980 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 2: beat it want to be starting something and Dory Diana 981 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 2: and then we're going to start like rehearsals. So I 982 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 2: was like, okay, that sounds amazing and oh my god, okay, 983 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,919 Speaker 2: so got home cranked up my amplifier. I was living 984 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 2: at the Plaza at the time, which is a crazy 985 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:06,440 Speaker 2: building in West Hollywood, and I just was up all 986 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,239 Speaker 2: night trying to learn to beat it solo. And that 987 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 2: was quite something. And I think my neighbors were like, 988 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,680 Speaker 2: oh my god, we've moved in next to a crazy 989 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson back and I had a Pomrangeum dog barking. 990 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 2: It was pretty insane. And next morning, next afternoon, she 991 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 2: say went down to Center staging, Michael Jackson walks in 992 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 2: the room. I want to hear beat it. I'm like, 993 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,240 Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm so nervous. I was like crazy. 994 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,880 Speaker 2: And then afterwards he's like, okay, you're hired. I'm like, 995 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 2: oh my god, I don't even know. It was wild. 996 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 2: It was a crazy time. So that's how that came about. 997 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,320 Speaker 2: And then I signed a non disclosure form or whatever, 998 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 2: you know, and I couldn't tell anybody that I got 999 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 2: the gig, so the label found out later. 1000 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you're working with Michael Jackson. One has 1001 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 3: to ask up close and personal what's Michael Jackson? 1002 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 2: Like, Wow, his energy was was wild, Like he walked 1003 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 2: into a room and it's like, oh my god, that's 1004 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson. Like being a kid and watching his shows 1005 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,360 Speaker 2: on TV, you know, larger than life. He comes in. 1006 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 2: He's just freaking star, I mean, you know. And he 1007 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,920 Speaker 2: was so sweet. It was very very sweet. And he 1008 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,320 Speaker 2: was very obsessed with making everything perfect. He was a perfectionist. 1009 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,880 Speaker 2: So I learned so much from him. Attention to detail 1010 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:32,399 Speaker 2: was very important, just taking things even more seriously than 1011 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 2: I did, I think, you know. And and just when 1012 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 2: he honed it on tones, he was very particular about 1013 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 2: everything when it came down to, you know, guitar tones, 1014 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,799 Speaker 2: it just drum sounds. Everything. He would tell me, you 1015 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 2: know what, I don't like that amp could he change 1016 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,279 Speaker 2: the ampower tomorrow. I'm like, okay, all right, I don't 1017 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 2: like the guitar, or I like that guitar. Keep that one, 1018 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,840 Speaker 2: you know. And so he would be listening to everything, 1019 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 2: which I found to be quite amazing, and he's like, 1020 00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 2: just don't be don't be scared, like step out like 1021 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,600 Speaker 2: into people like give you all, like really be what 1022 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,840 Speaker 2: you're meant to be, what you're born to do. He 1023 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 2: gave me a lot of confidence. A lot of people 1024 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,840 Speaker 2: don't I think. I think the media really tore him apart, 1025 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 2: which was not cool in a lot of ways because 1026 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,600 Speaker 2: he was very eccentric, very eccentric man, of course, but 1027 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 2: he cared about a lot of people, and the way 1028 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,359 Speaker 2: that he treated everyone was very kind. So I have enough. 1029 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,759 Speaker 2: I don't have any bad things to say about him 1030 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 2: or weird things to say, aside from towards the end, 1031 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,359 Speaker 2: he just seemed really worn out, very tired, and I 1032 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 2: was concerned about him for sure. 1033 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,399 Speaker 3: How did you find out that he died? 1034 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 2: Mourning of We were rehearsing until twelve or one am, 1035 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,719 Speaker 2: and he was excited. He said, I can't wait to 1036 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:52,200 Speaker 2: see you guys tomorrow. Were days away from leaving for London. 1037 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,239 Speaker 2: We had our apartments and everything, and he said, I 1038 00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,080 Speaker 2: remember him coming up to me giving a big hard gooing. 1039 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 2: I'm so excited about doing this, you can't imagine. I 1040 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,839 Speaker 2: can't wait for my kids to see this, to see 1041 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,920 Speaker 2: me perform again. You know, I can't wait for the fans, 1042 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 2: he said. I'm a bit nervous, he said about you 1043 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 2: know how you know the reviews will be I know, 1044 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:16,800 Speaker 2: I know he was nervous about it because he was 1045 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 2: coming back out again and this was a big thing. 1046 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,279 Speaker 2: But he said, you know, this show is going to 1047 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,520 Speaker 2: be incredible like no one else has ever seen before. 1048 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,359 Speaker 2: And it was. It was wild, all the stuff that's 1049 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,840 Speaker 2: being added. But he was very excited. And that's what 1050 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 2: the craziest thing was. I think he just he couldn't 1051 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 2: sleep and he was stressed out, and there's a lot 1052 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,359 Speaker 2: of pressure on him. There's a lot of money put 1053 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,879 Speaker 2: into it. There was, you know, I mean I feel 1054 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,400 Speaker 2: the pressure, you know, on a much smaller scale. He 1055 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,320 Speaker 2: had like hundreds of millions of dollars put into this situation. 1056 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,160 Speaker 2: He couldn't sleep, and he wore himself down everyone, I 1057 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,480 Speaker 2: mean around. It was like this pressure cooker, you know, 1058 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,800 Speaker 2: and he really just spent too so much time. I 1059 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 2: don't think he took time for himself. I really don't. 1060 00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,440 Speaker 2: I think he as a lot of artists, you know, 1061 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 2: we are quite obsessive about things, so you want things 1062 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 2: to be perfect. And I think he was such an 1063 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,480 Speaker 2: extreme artist like that that, you know, it was a 1064 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 2: lot on his shoulders and he just wanted to be incredible. 1065 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,000 Speaker 2: So I feel ardored that I spent that time with 1066 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:11,840 Speaker 2: him truly. 1067 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 3: So how did you find out and how did you 1068 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:16,759 Speaker 3: cope thereafter? 1069 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,719 Speaker 2: Found out? For my manager, he called that morning because 1070 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,399 Speaker 2: I was getting ready to go to rehearsal. He goes, 1071 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,799 Speaker 2: did you hear the news? And I'm like, no, what's 1072 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 2: going on? He goes, Michael's past and I'm like what, 1073 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,479 Speaker 2: Like I was like no, like no way, Like are 1074 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,239 Speaker 2: you joking, dude? Like, what's going on? He goes? And 1075 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 2: then I literally was like in shock. Like everyone was 1076 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,920 Speaker 2: just completely I don't even know how to plain it right, 1077 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 2: like with someone that evening to one am nothing wrong. 1078 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,320 Speaker 2: Get there to the rehearsal, Everyone's like crying and I'm going, 1079 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 2: what happened? And then there was just no one really told, 1080 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,720 Speaker 2: no one really said anything. You know, it was weird. 1081 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,719 Speaker 2: It was really weird. Can't I can't explain to you 1082 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,480 Speaker 2: the amount of weirdness and sadness and disbelief and shock 1083 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,400 Speaker 2: that that still stays with I think everyone that was 1084 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 2: a part of that, you know, because we became family. 1085 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,399 Speaker 2: We were together for like four months or something like that, 1086 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 2: three or four months like rehearsing, and you know, it 1087 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 2: was intense. So yeah, it was like we're losing a friend, 1088 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 2: you know, someone that you saw every day, like your 1089 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,960 Speaker 2: fast friend. Then you know a legend as well, and 1090 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,040 Speaker 2: and then you're just like wow. So it was pretty 1091 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,360 Speaker 2: pretty crazy. 1092 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,279 Speaker 3: So how soon after that did you go back to 1093 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:36,480 Speaker 3: work doing whatever? 1094 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 2: Well, my album was done with Interscope, so that was 1095 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:46,600 Speaker 2: ready to go, and I had to fulfill that obligation 1096 00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,320 Speaker 2: of putting out my record, you know, with into Scope 1097 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,880 Speaker 2: so they, to be honest with you, I didn't have 1098 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:58,360 Speaker 2: enough time to really and kind of stick with my 1099 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,520 Speaker 2: emotions really, so it wasn't healthy. I'm not going to 1100 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,840 Speaker 2: say it was, because it was like, okay, he passed away. 1101 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 2: I'm on the news everywhere. You know, It's like that 1102 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,280 Speaker 2: clip was played everywhere. You know, it was wild and everyone. 1103 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,120 Speaker 2: I was hounded, like I'd never seen anything quite like 1104 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,319 Speaker 2: quite like it, you know, even going to rehearsals. We 1105 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,920 Speaker 2: have paparazzi rehearsal following us everywhere. Once I found out 1106 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,000 Speaker 2: who was part of the band, everything, and I want 1107 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 2: to know a lot about it. Once he passed, I 1108 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,040 Speaker 2: was hounded. I couldn't even walk down the street, arrived 1109 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,839 Speaker 2: at an airport without you know, like people with things 1110 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,320 Speaker 2: for me to sign, or cameras on me asking about 1111 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,960 Speaker 2: him or what had happened and all this stuff, and 1112 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,160 Speaker 2: it was insane. And then on top of that, the 1113 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,800 Speaker 2: labels like, okay, we're putting out your record. So having 1114 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,600 Speaker 2: the record, you know, come out according to you, come 1115 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,080 Speaker 2: out without doing very well, but then you have on 1116 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,960 Speaker 2: the flip side this darkness which I hadn't dealt with 1117 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,239 Speaker 2: emotionally from him passing it. I wasn't happy, to be 1118 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:56,560 Speaker 2: honest with you, like I had a lot of success, 1119 00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,959 Speaker 2: but I wasn't happy because I didn't know how to feel. 1120 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,480 Speaker 2: You know. It's weird to process, you know. 1121 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,400 Speaker 3: So originally you were going to go for months in 1122 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,799 Speaker 3: England to play with Michael Jackson. Was the record going 1123 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,120 Speaker 3: to be delayed until you were done? And then they 1124 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,000 Speaker 3: moved it up after Michael passed. 1125 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 2: I don't know the plan. I don't know what the 1126 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,400 Speaker 2: plan was, to be honest with you. Maybe it was 1127 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 2: going to be put out as I was out there 1128 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 2: in between, right so I would I would put out 1129 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 2: a single, I'll still be playing the shows and I'll 1130 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,600 Speaker 2: be promoting over there. I don't know what the whole 1131 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,440 Speaker 2: plan was, to be honest, with you. I don't know, 1132 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,040 Speaker 2: but probably. 1133 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,720 Speaker 3: Okay, if you come to LA at two thousand and three, 1134 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,240 Speaker 3: when is that meeting with Jimmy I being at his house? 1135 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,040 Speaker 2: Gosh, I don't even know. It was a wild time. 1136 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:50,680 Speaker 2: I kind of remember. 1137 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 3: I guess what I'm asking is this, you come to LA, 1138 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,120 Speaker 3: what's your personal plan? What work do you get after 1139 00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 3: you come? 1140 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,040 Speaker 2: Okay, So when I first came to LA, I was 1141 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,640 Speaker 2: playing in the nam Booth with PRS guitars, right, so 1142 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,600 Speaker 2: I would play in the Nambooth and then so twenty 1143 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 2: other three four five. Yeah, then I got a deal. 1144 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,520 Speaker 2: So around then so came here, coming back and forth 1145 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,960 Speaker 2: all the time. Then I actually moved when I got 1146 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,960 Speaker 2: the deal. So when I got signed to Jimmy and 1147 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,880 Speaker 2: he was like, okay, we're making the record. That took 1148 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,880 Speaker 2: a while, of course, back and forth to you know, 1149 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,200 Speaker 2: get the deal done. And then I made the move 1150 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,840 Speaker 2: for I don't know the exact time, to be honest 1151 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,000 Speaker 2: with you. It was such a craziness, like going back 1152 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,280 Speaker 2: and forth. But after playing for Jimmy, playing for Ron Fair, 1153 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,080 Speaker 2: they decided they gave me actually a really good deal. 1154 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 2: I've got a great publishing deal too, with Universal and 1155 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,080 Speaker 2: it was all kind of happening at once and then 1156 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,480 Speaker 2: and then it was just straight into writing. 1157 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 3: Okay, you mentioned that you played with Kirie Underwood. Had 1158 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,680 Speaker 3: you been going on the road with other racks or 1159 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,040 Speaker 3: was this just a one off with Kirie under. 1160 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,040 Speaker 2: No, we had the same manager, someone Fuller. So she was, 1161 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,360 Speaker 2: you know, in the offices walking around and she's like, 1162 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to do the Grammy Awards because I heard 1163 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,760 Speaker 2: your hard playing girl. Would you join me? That'd be awesome. 1164 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, the Grammys. That sounds amazing. So I was 1165 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,320 Speaker 2: like totally blown away that she would ask me. And 1166 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,880 Speaker 2: she's so sweet, I mean incredible. I just saw her 1167 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,120 Speaker 2: the other day at her Vegas residency and what an 1168 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,880 Speaker 2: incredible talent she is and such a down to earth person, 1169 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 2: you know, and it was so kind of her to 1170 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,240 Speaker 2: invite me. And I remember walking up on stage with her, 1171 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,320 Speaker 2: and you know, BB King was sitting there in the 1172 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,480 Speaker 2: green room eating a bunch of crawfish and I don't 1173 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,960 Speaker 2: even know he had this bib on eating and I 1174 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,120 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, BB King And I said, hey, like, 1175 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,600 Speaker 2: I'm such a massive ban I don't want to annoy 1176 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,680 Speaker 2: you by anything. She goes, hey, young, young lady, what 1177 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:54,920 Speaker 2: can I do for I'm like, can I have a 1178 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,880 Speaker 2: photo with you? I know you're eating and stuff. He's like, 1179 00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,200 Speaker 2: He's like absolutely, he said, what are you doing here? 1180 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 2: I said, I want I played tonight. He goes, will 1181 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,600 Speaker 2: you go right there? A new rocket? Okay? And I 1182 01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:04,880 Speaker 2: was like all right, And I remember him saying that 1183 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,280 Speaker 2: it was so sweet as he was eating and he's like, 1184 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 2: took a photo with me. And then I went out 1185 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,720 Speaker 2: there and I rehearsed and then we played and Paul 1186 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,480 Speaker 2: McCartney was in the audience, Keith Urban, all these people Bono, Like, 1187 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,320 Speaker 2: you know, you look out there and you go, what 1188 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:20,600 Speaker 2: the hell is going on here? 1189 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 3: You know? 1190 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:26,120 Speaker 2: So I'm very thankful to carry Underwood because after doing that, 1191 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,600 Speaker 2: that sparked, like, you know, Michael Jackson saw me and 1192 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,840 Speaker 2: I got, you know, that opportunity and and yeah, I can't. 1193 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 2: I mean, Simon Fuller was an incredible manager too, and 1194 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,880 Speaker 2: and that whole team nineteen were great when I was 1195 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,240 Speaker 2: with them for a while. And then then I made 1196 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,640 Speaker 2: the record with Howard Benson and he was awesome to 1197 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,800 Speaker 2: work with. Desmond Child was one of the first songwriters 1198 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:54,120 Speaker 2: I worked with which was insane. Yeah, Desmond and I 1199 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,080 Speaker 2: became very fast friends. He was awesome. 1200 01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,640 Speaker 3: Okay, you talk about meeting bb K, what were the 1201 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 3: two best experiences of meeting an idol? 1202 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,640 Speaker 2: Gosh, just say meeting meeting Santana for the first time, 1203 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,360 Speaker 2: you know, that was awesome. He's like my other dad, 1204 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,520 Speaker 2: he really is. I met him and he was so gracious, 1205 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,360 Speaker 2: and he was like, okay, you play my guitar and 1206 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,320 Speaker 2: I'll play yours, and let's jam backstage. And in Australian 1207 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,280 Speaker 2: Adelaide Memorial Drive fifteen thousand people, twenty thousand people was 1208 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,160 Speaker 2: playing too, and we jammed and he's like, okay, you're 1209 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,720 Speaker 2: joining me tonight on stage and I'm like, oh my god, okay, 1210 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,480 Speaker 2: and well songs are be playing. It didn't tell me, 1211 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,919 Speaker 2: so I was like, I followed him on stage, plug 1212 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,240 Speaker 2: me in. I stayed up for like most of the show. 1213 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,720 Speaker 2: I think it was like fifty minutes of the show, 1214 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,680 Speaker 2: and he would turn to me, Okay, you solo now, 1215 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,680 Speaker 2: you slo now, and thank god, I've learned his entire catalog, 1216 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,680 Speaker 2: so I knew what you know. But it was definitely 1217 01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,600 Speaker 2: throwing me into the ocean to see if I could 1218 01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 2: swim and do it. And I guess you know, they 1219 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,800 Speaker 2: had that happened to them and when they were younger, 1220 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,760 Speaker 2: you know, they had to, you know, at a very 1221 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,720 Speaker 2: young age, get up on stage in front of a 1222 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,760 Speaker 2: lot of people and see if they could do it. 1223 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,080 Speaker 2: And they did the same thing. You know, Carlos believed 1224 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,200 Speaker 2: in me enough to have me on the stage, to 1225 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,880 Speaker 2: throw me into that situation to go, okay, girl, can 1226 01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,600 Speaker 2: you can you bring it? You know, and in a 1227 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,160 Speaker 2: very loving way. But I was just like, man, after that, 1228 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,680 Speaker 2: I was like, oh I can do this. I got 1229 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,320 Speaker 2: never really nervous, but I can do it. And you know, 1230 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,280 Speaker 2: sometimes you got to do that. It's very zero to 1231 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,120 Speaker 2: one hundred. But that's that's life. It's like, you know, 1232 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 2: it's not it's not normal. 1233 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,400 Speaker 3: Can you tell me about meeting another idol? 1234 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:44,760 Speaker 2: Another idol? Gosh, I've met so many. Paul McCartney I met. 1235 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,440 Speaker 2: He came to the studio when I was working out 1236 01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 2: in Vancouver and I actually went to his Auntie's ninety 1237 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,920 Speaker 2: ninth birthday party. That was really it was crazy. But anyway, 1238 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,160 Speaker 2: he came past the studio on his bike and I 1239 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,280 Speaker 2: was making a record there with Bob Rock, and Richie Sambora, 1240 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,640 Speaker 2: and he came in and I was playing acoustic guitar 1241 01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,360 Speaker 2: in the control room. Didn't know it was I didn't 1242 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,600 Speaker 2: know it was Paul because he was dressed in the 1243 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,800 Speaker 2: tracks and a hat, and I thought he was one 1244 01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,200 Speaker 2: of the I was very embarrassed, mind you, this very 1245 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:22,320 Speaker 2: embarrassing because he's one of my favorite songwriters. And I 1246 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,320 Speaker 2: turned to him and I had this guitar I was playing, 1247 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,960 Speaker 2: but it wasn't quite right. So I turned him with 1248 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,800 Speaker 2: a guitar and said, hey, can you get me another guitar? 1249 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,040 Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like, I'm not sure 1250 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,720 Speaker 2: about this one. It's kind of not really doing it 1251 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,680 Speaker 2: for me. And he's like, oh hi, and he had 1252 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,840 Speaker 2: this accident. I was like, oh my god, it's Paul. 1253 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,440 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm sorry. This is so bad. I 1254 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,520 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, what an honor to meet you. 1255 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,919 Speaker 2: And and and then he's like, can you play something 1256 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,200 Speaker 2: for me? And someone actually filmed I have on my 1257 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,920 Speaker 2: iPhone somewhere me playing for Poul. He said can you 1258 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,920 Speaker 2: play me some things? And I was playing his fingerpick stuff. 1259 01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,600 Speaker 2: He goes, I love that, it sounds great. And then 1260 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,920 Speaker 2: that evening we all went to his auntie's birthday party 1261 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,600 Speaker 2: and she was eating this chocolate mudcake at like twelve am, 1262 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,840 Speaker 2: and we all had martiniz me and you know, and 1263 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,840 Speaker 2: we'll actually not Bob Rocks sober, but Abe Laboria was there, 1264 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:17,080 Speaker 2: the drummer and his band and everybody, and we all 1265 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,120 Speaker 2: just hung out and yeah, it was awesome and Paul 1266 01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,720 Speaker 2: was super super sweet, like such an awesome person and 1267 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,240 Speaker 2: so m again, not too long ago at the Sphere, 1268 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,760 Speaker 2: I went to the opening night of the Sphere to 1269 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,560 Speaker 2: see YouTube that was really cool. So yeah, he's definitely 1270 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,880 Speaker 2: an idol of mind the Beatles, I mean incredible. 1271 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,640 Speaker 3: Okay, how did it end with nineteen and Simon Fuller? 1272 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:52,000 Speaker 2: Well, Simon he sold the company, right, so it changed 1273 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:57,520 Speaker 2: and that's when, yeah, things sort of I left. I 1274 01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,640 Speaker 2: just left out that happened. 1275 01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:58,920 Speaker 3: You know. 1276 01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:03,400 Speaker 2: I guess people had allocated like managers there within the company, 1277 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,880 Speaker 2: but I decided to leave the whole thing, you know, 1278 01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,480 Speaker 2: and the manager that I had assigned to me, the 1279 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,680 Speaker 2: day to day person and whatnot. But then I went 1280 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,840 Speaker 2: through a barrage of managers. I'm not going to say 1281 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,040 Speaker 2: how many managers I've been through, because that just sounds bad, 1282 01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,200 Speaker 2: but a healthy amount of managers I have been through, 1283 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,160 Speaker 2: and all I can say is this, if a manager 1284 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,160 Speaker 2: understands exactly where you want to go, and they walk 1285 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,040 Speaker 2: beside you and you work together in harmony, and things 1286 01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,640 Speaker 2: can really Like Alice Cooper and Chep Gordon were amazing 1287 01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,920 Speaker 2: and together and you know, or it's like Joe Bonamaster 1288 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,000 Speaker 2: and his manager, and there's quite a few others too 1289 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,520 Speaker 2: as examples, but you know, Share and her manager, Roger Davies. 1290 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,840 Speaker 2: Then you understand each other and it works. But if 1291 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,840 Speaker 2: it doesn't, if the manager doesn't have quite the same vision, 1292 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,520 Speaker 2: or they don't bring anything to the table and they 1293 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,600 Speaker 2: just have their hands out and they take twenty percent 1294 01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,600 Speaker 2: or fifteen percent of what you're making and your everything 1295 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,520 Speaker 2: in and they're just telling you what to do, not 1296 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,200 Speaker 2: going to work. So and my experience with managers has 1297 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,280 Speaker 2: been kind of that, to be honest with you, since 1298 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,080 Speaker 2: Salm and Fuller. I mean a lot of them tried 1299 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,280 Speaker 2: but didn't really understand exactly where I wanted to go 1300 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,040 Speaker 2: or what I wanted to do, you know, or they 1301 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,480 Speaker 2: wouldn't listen to me as much. You know, they had 1302 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,120 Speaker 2: their own idea and that's not that's not cool. They 1303 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,280 Speaker 2: should you should be able to work together as a 1304 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,640 Speaker 2: proper team. And look, I still am friends with most 1305 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,360 Speaker 2: of my ex managers, but some of them were distracted 1306 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,840 Speaker 2: with other artists that were massive and they were dealing 1307 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,320 Speaker 2: with things with them, and they didn't have the time 1308 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,880 Speaker 2: as well. So you've got to choose wisely, you know. 1309 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,240 Speaker 2: That's all I can say. 1310 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,040 Speaker 3: Okay, but your self managed now I am. 1311 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,800 Speaker 2: I have an incredible team though. I have an amazing 1312 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,360 Speaker 2: attorney and a whole team there. I have a great 1313 01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,640 Speaker 2: tour manager he does my day to day as well, 1314 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,280 Speaker 2: and then I have incredible business management and I have 1315 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,080 Speaker 2: a lot of manager friends that will step in when 1316 01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,120 Speaker 2: I need them to, so they're on call and I'm 1317 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,000 Speaker 2: very grateful for that. 1318 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,560 Speaker 3: How much time in a day do you spend on business? 1319 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,880 Speaker 2: Five hours? Maybe that's a lot of time off and on. Yes, 1320 01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,320 Speaker 2: my phone sometimes will attack me if I wake up 1321 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,200 Speaker 2: late because I'm working on a song. I'm like, oh 1322 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,720 Speaker 2: my god, I got to deal with this. So a 1323 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,600 Speaker 2: lot many things. And now that I've launched my own 1324 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,720 Speaker 2: you know, vodka as well, that's I'm really excited about that. 1325 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,440 Speaker 2: My amplifiers we're doing some more stuff for that for press, 1326 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,600 Speaker 2: I'm you know, doing a lot of interviews and stuff 1327 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,440 Speaker 2: for Australian tour coming up. And then yeah, I literally 1328 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,360 Speaker 2: go to Australia, come home here for a day, that 1329 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,360 Speaker 2: I leave for Saudi Arabia, then I come back here 1330 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,000 Speaker 2: for a week, then I leave for Alice Cooper and 1331 01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:46,720 Speaker 2: I come back here and I'm gonna take a short 1332 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,600 Speaker 2: break because I need it so don't combust. And then 1333 01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,880 Speaker 2: then we're going to Europe. Then we're going to Brazil. 1334 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,520 Speaker 2: Then we're going to Japan, and then we released the 1335 01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,080 Speaker 2: two albums. So I'm doing the three piece, which is 1336 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:00,080 Speaker 2: you know, the band. 1337 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 3: That's all for that second we're going to get there. 1338 01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:07,880 Speaker 3: So are you self managed because you're burned out on 1339 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,400 Speaker 3: all the experiences or if the right person came along, 1340 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:12,480 Speaker 3: would you try again? 1341 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,680 Speaker 2: If the right person came along, I'll definitely try again 1342 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,559 Speaker 2: one d percent. It has to be an energy thing though, 1343 01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:23,439 Speaker 2: that would have to be very very driven, have a 1344 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,639 Speaker 2: very clear path as to what they saw they could 1345 01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,519 Speaker 2: bring to the table. For me, I couldn't do myself. 1346 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:36,000 Speaker 2: And yeah, I just have a real understanding of who 1347 01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,120 Speaker 2: I am as an artist and person too. They've got 1348 01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,280 Speaker 2: to be your friend, you know, but definitely be bringing 1349 01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,800 Speaker 2: stuff to the table. Have that gravity because and be 1350 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,799 Speaker 2: alpha two because I'm quite alpha myself. So if someone's 1351 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,400 Speaker 2: not sure, they're sort of like, yeah, let's do this 1352 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,679 Speaker 2: or that. I don't like that, and I can't work 1353 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,360 Speaker 2: with producers like that either. I've got to work with 1354 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,080 Speaker 2: someone who's very sure of themselves, very sure about what 1355 01:08:55,120 --> 01:09:00,000 Speaker 2: they want to do, and that to me is very important. 1356 01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,719 Speaker 2: So I'm not ruling it out. If the right manager 1357 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:07,320 Speaker 2: comes along, I am totally open, hard and open minded 1358 01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:08,240 Speaker 2: to that for sure. 1359 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,040 Speaker 3: So tell me about after the Interscope experience making a 1360 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,240 Speaker 3: record with Dave Stewart, how does that happen? 1361 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,679 Speaker 2: Well, I was invited by Dave to do the Stand 1362 01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 2: Up to Cancer event which is televised and many people 1363 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,280 Speaker 2: are part of that, Joss Stone and Heart and I 1364 01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,559 Speaker 2: actually played with Heart. We played Barracouta together, Ceebee Wonder, 1365 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,560 Speaker 2: so many people, just Stone, just tons of people, and 1366 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,760 Speaker 2: then Dave and I and jos and everyone. We all 1367 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,639 Speaker 2: had a dinner afterwards. And I had been sober for 1368 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,040 Speaker 2: quite some time. I stopped drinking for about five years, 1369 01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,479 Speaker 2: I should say five six years because I definitely did 1370 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,680 Speaker 2: my dash in a cover band, you know what I mean. 1371 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,439 Speaker 2: So the lever was sort of bent out at a 1372 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,439 Speaker 2: younger age, and so Day put a Martini in front 1373 01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,040 Speaker 2: of me, and that was I was like, okay, cool. 1374 01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,160 Speaker 2: Had that Martini was very strong, and we all just 1375 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,040 Speaker 2: got into chat and we came like really fast friends meet, 1376 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,599 Speaker 2: you know, Dave and Martina McBride and John McBride who 1377 01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,760 Speaker 2: had Blackbird Studios, and Johnson and then Dave and I 1378 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,160 Speaker 2: actually wrote this whole movie that evening, an animated film, 1379 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,800 Speaker 2: which I think should come out one day because we 1380 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,280 Speaker 2: had a we had an even green a green light 1381 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,000 Speaker 2: from DreamWorks to make this film, you know, together animated 1382 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:28,080 Speaker 2: under the Water Blues film. It was very cool, and 1383 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,160 Speaker 2: so we wrote this entire film together that evening. At 1384 01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,920 Speaker 2: the dinner table, Abra Martini, a couple of Martini's baby, 1385 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:35,599 Speaker 2: and then he's like, we should make a record together. 1386 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,760 Speaker 2: I'm like that sounds awesome. So I'm just out, you know, 1387 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,040 Speaker 2: get out of my deal whatever, and that's kind of 1388 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,160 Speaker 2: what happened. Went over to a studio when he had 1389 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:46,439 Speaker 2: a studio on West Hollywood Bine Street, and it was 1390 01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,519 Speaker 2: always wild over there. I would show up and then 1391 01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,400 Speaker 2: I should say meeting another idol of mine, Mick Jagger 1392 01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,000 Speaker 2: was working with him. So one day he invited me 1393 01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,120 Speaker 2: over to the studio and didn't tell me that Mick 1394 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,200 Speaker 2: Jagger was laying down a vocal for like a super 1395 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,120 Speaker 2: heavy so much he was doing this project. And I 1396 01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,439 Speaker 2: brought my mother with me, and she she went actually 1397 01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,880 Speaker 2: to the door and I went to the bathroom and 1398 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,040 Speaker 2: he opened the door and my mom was like, oh 1399 01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,360 Speaker 2: my god, it's big Jagger and uh and he's like, 1400 01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,800 Speaker 2: come on in and he offered her. He offered her 1401 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,400 Speaker 2: like cookies and a tea and he's like what was 1402 01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,040 Speaker 2: you like you need anything? Like he was so sweet. 1403 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,439 Speaker 2: Like that was wild. And then working with working with 1404 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,400 Speaker 2: day was a trip, Like there's always people coming in 1405 01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,200 Speaker 2: and out of the studio that he never never knew 1406 01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,240 Speaker 2: who was going to be. Like there like Andy Garcia 1407 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,160 Speaker 2: playing piano one day, I remember, and then like Justine 1408 01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,920 Speaker 2: coming in and then he's working with you two. He's 1409 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,560 Speaker 2: working with all these different people. But we managed to 1410 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,960 Speaker 2: make a record together in Nashville and that was really fun. 1411 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,519 Speaker 2: It was a great record happened in as hell. 1412 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,479 Speaker 3: Okay, the record comes out in an independent label? What's 1413 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,680 Speaker 3: that like compared to being on Interscope that was. 1414 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,960 Speaker 2: Actually through Universal, So that one came out through Universal. 1415 01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,400 Speaker 2: But it was as soon as I finished that record. 1416 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,839 Speaker 2: The day I remember the day we finished it in Nashville, 1417 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,800 Speaker 2: I get a call from Alicekeeper because I'd just done 1418 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,639 Speaker 2: the American Idol finale with him. We played Schools out 1419 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,719 Speaker 2: and he called me. He goes, Hi, my guitar player 1420 01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,320 Speaker 2: left within Lizzie, will you will you be my lead 1421 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,519 Speaker 2: guitar player for the tour coming up? And going yeah, 1422 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,240 Speaker 2: that sounds awesome. You know that sounds amazing. So I 1423 01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,120 Speaker 2: just finished a record. I was supposed to go out 1424 01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,120 Speaker 2: and promote that, and then I decided I'm going to 1425 01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,720 Speaker 2: go off with Alice Cooper. So yeah, that's that's kind 1426 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:29,360 Speaker 2: of what happened. 1427 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,880 Speaker 3: So, oh, okay, you don't make another studio album for 1428 01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,200 Speaker 3: seven years. What are you doing in that period of time? 1429 01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,559 Speaker 2: I am touring with Alice for about five six about 1430 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,960 Speaker 2: five years with Alice Keeper. Then I join Richie Sambora 1431 01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,240 Speaker 2: and we meet in Hawaii and I was, you know, 1432 01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,640 Speaker 2: Richie said to me, he goes. He came up to 1433 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,880 Speaker 2: me and I don't know if he was showing up. 1434 01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,960 Speaker 2: Actually that day, I was like Sammy Hagar and DeBie 1435 01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,120 Speaker 2: Brothers and Stephen Tyler and you know, we're just it's 1436 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:02,960 Speaker 2: a New Year's Eve thing we do for Sheep, Gordon 1437 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,800 Speaker 2: over and Maui and Richie came. Last minute. He's like, 1438 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,759 Speaker 2: we're gonna jam together. I was like, okay, cool, awesome. 1439 01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,519 Speaker 2: So we ended up jamming together, and then afterwards he's like, 1440 01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,719 Speaker 2: have your number, like, let's let's write some stuff. Girl, 1441 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,920 Speaker 2: Like you know, I love your playing and my daughter, 1442 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,760 Speaker 2: you know, you know she's she's a fan of you 1443 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,680 Speaker 2: or she saw you when this is It film and 1444 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,599 Speaker 2: all of that. I was like, okay, cool, Yeah, sounds great. 1445 01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,680 Speaker 2: And then he called me when I got home and 1446 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,320 Speaker 2: I went over to his place. We ended up writing 1447 01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,439 Speaker 2: songs and hanging out, and I thought this is cool, 1448 01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,759 Speaker 2: Like he's an amazing singer, songwriter, you know, a guitar player. 1449 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,280 Speaker 2: So we just wrote tons of songs and then he's like, hey, 1450 01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,840 Speaker 2: like you know, he had Bob Rock come over one time. 1451 01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,200 Speaker 2: He goes, how about you and I do a record 1452 01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,439 Speaker 2: together or something that'd be really cool and go on tour. 1453 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:46,160 Speaker 2: And I was like that sounds great, but I'm still 1454 01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,519 Speaker 2: with Alice, so I can't like, you know, so I 1455 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,320 Speaker 2: had to go I meet with Alice. It was kind 1456 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:53,880 Speaker 2: of tough, you know, to walk in there and say, hey, 1457 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,800 Speaker 2: you know, I really want to focus on this raport 1458 01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,960 Speaker 2: I'm doing with Ritchie and and leave the band. But 1459 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,240 Speaker 2: I said, look, I'm not going to leave you on 1460 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:03,960 Speaker 2: the If you need me, I'm going to be here 1461 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,120 Speaker 2: until you find a replacement. Thank god, he found Nita Strauss. 1462 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,439 Speaker 2: He's amazing. She's a dear friend of mine. And then 1463 01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,519 Speaker 2: Richie and I spent years on a record with Barb 1464 01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,720 Speaker 2: Rock and we played some shows together. We you know, 1465 01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,840 Speaker 2: we toured quite a bit. We played Australia, we went 1466 01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,320 Speaker 2: to Brazil, we opened the Bad Company, we you know. 1467 01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, we made the RSO record during that time, 1468 01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:28,480 Speaker 2: which was wild. 1469 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:33,000 Speaker 3: Okay, in this inter realm, say say you work with 1470 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:38,400 Speaker 3: Alice Cooper. The dream of being successful solo artists? Does 1471 01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,640 Speaker 3: that extinguished? Is that always in the back of your head? 1472 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely. I needed to take a break, i think, 1473 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:50,400 Speaker 2: from being the captain of the ship. So, you know, 1474 01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,960 Speaker 2: it was a nice sort of thing to be just 1475 01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,760 Speaker 2: a guitar player. I had a blast. We got to 1476 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,840 Speaker 2: celebrate Halloween every night, party every night, you know what 1477 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,519 Speaker 2: I mean. But the show, very seriously, the show was perfect. 1478 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,679 Speaker 2: Then after the show, I'd be drinking tons and partying 1479 01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,240 Speaker 2: with everybody. And I can't say I was a healthiest 1480 01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:13,800 Speaker 2: on that tour, no, so you know, but I had 1481 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,640 Speaker 2: so much fun. I got to tell you, it was 1482 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,120 Speaker 2: just a blast. And the guys are like my brothers, 1483 01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:21,360 Speaker 2: and yeah, I was. I was in my twenties and 1484 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,120 Speaker 2: I was having fun. I just I needed a break. 1485 01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,120 Speaker 2: I think. I think being out on that tour and 1486 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,720 Speaker 2: not being the boss was something that I needed for 1487 01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:31,400 Speaker 2: a minute, you know. 1488 01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,960 Speaker 3: Okay, you talk about being sober for five years then 1489 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,799 Speaker 3: having the martini. Where are you with alcohol and substances today? 1490 01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,479 Speaker 2: Oh, in a good place. Yeah, I don't abuse anything. No. 1491 01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,920 Speaker 2: You know, you learn as you get older there's only 1492 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,479 Speaker 2: so much body can take, you know what I mean, 1493 01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,639 Speaker 2: And you want to be clear minded. There's too much 1494 01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,240 Speaker 2: stuff to do. When you're young and you're in your 1495 01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,519 Speaker 2: twenties or your teenager and you're partying with your friends, 1496 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,280 Speaker 2: you're definitely like you can andle it more right. And 1497 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:02,800 Speaker 2: as you get older, you go, oh, man, I don't 1498 01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,479 Speaker 2: feel so good. So you know, I'm all about I promote, 1499 01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:11,760 Speaker 2: you know, health and a healthy lifestyle and eating right, 1500 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,800 Speaker 2: working out. I run six miles a day, which is 1501 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,799 Speaker 2: probably not healthy but excessive, but I love the endorphins 1502 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,719 Speaker 2: from it. And then you know, I eat very healthy, 1503 01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,680 Speaker 2: and I'm all about just like self care and mindfulness. 1504 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,080 Speaker 2: I have spiritual healers. I'm very much about. Your mind 1505 01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,720 Speaker 2: is very important. It's the most like whatever the way 1506 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:33,679 Speaker 2: you program your mind and your thoughts and the most 1507 01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:38,400 Speaker 2: important thing. And speaking of truth and being authentic. I 1508 01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,719 Speaker 2: think that, you know, when I was younger, if people 1509 01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,439 Speaker 2: put stuff in front of me, you know, you're going 1510 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,200 Speaker 2: to just do anything, but kind of you know what 1511 01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,760 Speaker 2: I mean. And so it was I definitely had my 1512 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,679 Speaker 2: party days, for sure. I'm not going to say I didn't. 1513 01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,280 Speaker 2: But I learned from that, and I've learned from watching 1514 01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:58,280 Speaker 2: other people that have taken a very bad road because 1515 01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,719 Speaker 2: it's very easy and being a musician, everything zero zero 1516 01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,720 Speaker 2: to one hundred, so it's never like this, never a 1517 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,599 Speaker 2: straight line. It's always like extremes like from in the studio, 1518 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,240 Speaker 2: then sixty thousand people, then TV. Then you know it's 1519 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,639 Speaker 2: like there's a lot of pressure too, not only from 1520 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:15,919 Speaker 2: other people but on yourself. 1521 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:21,360 Speaker 3: Okay, you make a couple of records for Frontiers, what 1522 01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:22,720 Speaker 3: is that experience? Like? 1523 01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:25,080 Speaker 2: That was interesting? 1524 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:26,200 Speaker 3: You know. 1525 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,679 Speaker 2: They were very very enthusiastic about signing me and everything, 1526 01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,880 Speaker 2: and then once they got working with them, they wanted 1527 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,760 Speaker 2: a certain they wanted everything to be very heavy. So 1528 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,600 Speaker 2: that's where we kind of butted heads with them, you know, 1529 01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,840 Speaker 2: and that's why I left them, because you know, I 1530 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,880 Speaker 2: didn't want to just make heavy records. I mean, rock 1531 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,880 Speaker 2: Candy I was very proud of and everything, but it 1532 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,400 Speaker 2: was a heavy pop record because it had to be 1533 01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,680 Speaker 2: you know, we had some you know definitely when I 1534 01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,880 Speaker 2: sent them through songs, oh like, it's got to be 1535 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,639 Speaker 2: this way, got to be this way. So yeah, that's 1536 01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,719 Speaker 2: that's the reason why I left that label is because 1537 01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,960 Speaker 2: they they would tell me what kind of record they wanted, 1538 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:03,960 Speaker 2: you know, and that's fine, that's fine if you're a 1539 01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,639 Speaker 2: heavy band. But I wanted to branch out a bit more. 1540 01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,679 Speaker 3: Okay, So tell me about signing with your new label 1541 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,400 Speaker 3: and making two records. 1542 01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:18,000 Speaker 2: I'm only making one record with this new label, would Avenue. 1543 01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,479 Speaker 2: I met Mark Nordam a while ago and through Norm 1544 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:27,840 Speaker 2: Rare Guitars, and he just was a really enthusiastic guy 1545 01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,320 Speaker 2: that really believed in my music. And he was like, 1546 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,040 Speaker 2: I'm giving you free rein so sort of he has 1547 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,639 Speaker 2: a jazz label actually anything, but he's like, I'm giving 1548 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,439 Speaker 2: you free range to do whatever you want. I'm like, cool. 1549 01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,880 Speaker 2: The deal was really straightforward, and that's kind of it. 1550 01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,200 Speaker 2: He just believed in me as and believes in me 1551 01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,479 Speaker 2: as a as an artist and gives me a free 1552 01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:45,880 Speaker 2: rain to do what I want. And I think that's 1553 01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,400 Speaker 2: the most awesome thing, you. 1554 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,280 Speaker 3: Know, So tell me about making that record. 1555 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:55,000 Speaker 2: Working at Robbie Kriege Studio has been awesome because it's 1556 01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,759 Speaker 2: such a great vibe there and working with my band 1557 01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,840 Speaker 2: and just going in and writing all the songs my 1558 01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,800 Speaker 2: and just you know, just capturing that energy and it's 1559 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,280 Speaker 2: very organic. It's kind of like how old records were made, 1560 01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,400 Speaker 2: I guess ages ago. We're just doing it that way. 1561 01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,200 Speaker 2: And then Kevin Shirley came on board and he's been 1562 01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,720 Speaker 2: producing and that's been awesome because I love Kevin. He 1563 01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:18,320 Speaker 2: is a total legend and just awesome producer. He brings 1564 01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,439 Speaker 2: out like great guitar tones and he knows how to 1565 01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,639 Speaker 2: get the band rocking too, and you know, I trust him, 1566 01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,559 Speaker 2: so we can't I can't wait to finish the record 1567 01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:27,040 Speaker 2: with him too. 1568 01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:28,880 Speaker 3: So how did Kevin get involved? 1569 01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,320 Speaker 2: We had a dinner at the Marquee Sunset Marquee. He 1570 01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,479 Speaker 2: came over here and we just hang out, actually his friends, 1571 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:42,240 Speaker 2: prior to anything. And I think I met Kevin through 1572 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,280 Speaker 2: Joe but a Master because we've been friends for a 1573 01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,400 Speaker 2: long time. So yeah, and then Kevin was like, I 1574 01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,360 Speaker 2: want to work with you, and I've wanted to work 1575 01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,880 Speaker 2: with you since like twenty fourteen. I'm like, hey, cool, 1576 01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:55,320 Speaker 2: So he finally got to working together and I'm really 1577 01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,400 Speaker 2: I'm really proud of of the first well not the 1578 01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,559 Speaker 2: first single, the newest single that's out now, of Feeling. 1579 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,120 Speaker 2: He did a great job on that. It's kind of 1580 01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,600 Speaker 2: got the most sound, sort of organic sound to it, 1581 01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,960 Speaker 2: like pop rock blues, but he really just brings it. 1582 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,080 Speaker 2: He knows how to mic everything and he's incredible. And 1583 01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:23,920 Speaker 2: same with Eddie Kramer. I'm doing this side project with him. 1584 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,160 Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about the Kevin Shirley record. So when 1585 01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:28,559 Speaker 3: will the album be finished? 1586 01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,880 Speaker 2: I'm planning on finishing it early March. Now, so the 1587 01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,680 Speaker 2: last two songs we done early March and then the 1588 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,120 Speaker 2: record will come out April. 1589 01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,839 Speaker 3: And what are your expectations of the album? 1590 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,439 Speaker 2: I hope people just like hear like a kind of 1591 01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,080 Speaker 2: a different side to me, like more of a singer 1592 01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,360 Speaker 2: songwriter sort of thing. Like it's not like heavy heavy, 1593 01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:52,920 Speaker 2: Like some of the songs are heavy, but they're not 1594 01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,960 Speaker 2: like it's more like, I don't know, it's got like 1595 01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,480 Speaker 2: more motown soul in there. There's it's more about the storytelling, 1596 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:05,040 Speaker 2: you know. I think, you know, I've written every lyric myself, 1597 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,679 Speaker 2: and I think that it's freedom. I hope they find 1598 01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,479 Speaker 2: freedom in the music that can hear it. It makes 1599 01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:14,040 Speaker 2: people feel good. That's kind of my intention. I don't 1600 01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:18,439 Speaker 2: have expectations, you know, at all. I want people to 1601 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,240 Speaker 2: like it and I hate it, of course, but you 1602 01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,280 Speaker 2: know that's kind of it really, But. 1603 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,519 Speaker 3: To what degree will you promote it? Market it? 1604 01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,360 Speaker 2: I've been doing a lot of press for it. It's 1605 01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:33,040 Speaker 2: just one classic rock track of the week, which is awesome. 1606 01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,920 Speaker 2: There's some great artists on that list too, and it's 1607 01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,160 Speaker 2: been doing really well, and so I feel like I'm 1608 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,080 Speaker 2: going to be touring Australia with the new record. We're 1609 01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,240 Speaker 2: doing a bunch of press now for that. In Australia. 1610 01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,519 Speaker 2: All the shows inly sold out over there, which is awesome. 1611 01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,599 Speaker 2: To the UK with it, to Japan with it, all 1612 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,080 Speaker 2: that stuff, and yeah, just by the big festivals. We've 1613 01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,679 Speaker 2: got a lot of festivals lined up for the UK, 1614 01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:56,880 Speaker 2: so I can't wait to do that. 1615 01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,080 Speaker 3: So you have a band, regular group of musician I do. 1616 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,479 Speaker 2: I do, yes, I do have a like my main band, 1617 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,840 Speaker 2: I actually play more like a three piece. I actually 1618 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,839 Speaker 2: enjoy it a lot. But when I play some hometown 1619 01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,920 Speaker 2: shows here in LA I have percussion, I've got keys, 1620 01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,720 Speaker 2: I've got three background singers, I've got I just go 1621 01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,920 Speaker 2: all out, you know, background, guitar, play everything. So it's 1622 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,559 Speaker 2: like a big band sound, which is great. But on 1623 01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,599 Speaker 2: the road I do it three piece because I'm a 1624 01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,800 Speaker 2: huge Hendrick C. B Ray fan, and I just think 1625 01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,080 Speaker 2: that it sounds bigger sometimes just going three piece, I can. 1626 01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,000 Speaker 2: I love playing all the guitar parts myself. I do 1627 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,320 Speaker 2: like the freedom in that, and we've dialed it in. 1628 01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,480 Speaker 2: I'm really happy with that. So we've got Justin Andreas 1629 01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,120 Speaker 2: on bass. You've got Elias Marlin on drums. He's amazing. 1630 01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:48,120 Speaker 2: Demi and Ariaga sometimes plays drums with me sometimes as well, 1631 01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:53,960 Speaker 2: but Justin's my main bass player and he also plays 1632 01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:54,840 Speaker 2: guitar with me as well. 1633 01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:58,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, so tell me about this Eddie Kreamer record. 1634 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,880 Speaker 2: I'm super excited about this. It's a it's it's an 1635 01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:08,559 Speaker 2: all girl sort of band, a Gypsy's vibe thing, and 1636 01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:14,800 Speaker 2: you know, it came together quite some time ago. And yeah, 1637 01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,839 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know. Cindy has been a 1638 01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,120 Speaker 2: Cindy Santana has been a dear friend of mine for 1639 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,160 Speaker 2: many years. And I never wanted to be an all 1640 01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,360 Speaker 2: girl band, like never, Like it's been suggested a few times. 1641 01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh hell no. But with her, I was 1642 01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:34,640 Speaker 2: like absolutely, you know, I felt like this is going 1643 01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,439 Speaker 2: to be something really special and I and I don't, 1644 01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:40,920 Speaker 2: you know, I want to. And then when Eddie, I 1645 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,280 Speaker 2: called Eddie about it and we found Rhonda Smith was 1646 01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:47,280 Speaker 2: available too. It just came together really organically and it 1647 01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,760 Speaker 2: was wonderful. So we're nearly done with that record and 1648 01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,719 Speaker 2: I can't wait for people to hear it. It's something 1649 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:56,160 Speaker 2: totally different from what I'm putting out. It's got a 1650 01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,040 Speaker 2: lot of fire behind it. And we're playing our first 1651 01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,439 Speaker 2: show in about five days at the halftime for the Raiders, 1652 01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,040 Speaker 2: So no pressure, just sixty thousand people. You know. 1653 01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:08,479 Speaker 3: How did you connect with Eddie. 1654 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,320 Speaker 2: I've known Eddie for a long time. Actually, I met 1655 01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:17,160 Speaker 2: him at Capitol Records and he was mixing some you know, 1656 01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:22,040 Speaker 2: Hendrix stuff there and I walked in one day and 1657 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,479 Speaker 2: he was like mixing is you got to hear this 1658 01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,400 Speaker 2: unreleased Hendrix stuff. I'm like, okay, it's wild. And then 1659 01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,320 Speaker 2: we became friends. And then Janie Hendrix has been a 1660 01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:31,200 Speaker 2: good friend of mine for many years, and I would 1661 01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,360 Speaker 2: go and jam down at the at Paul Allen when 1662 01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,400 Speaker 2: he was around. He was a good friend of mine. 1663 01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,400 Speaker 2: He had the Jimmy Hendrix Museum. So i'd go jam 1664 01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:44,519 Speaker 2: down there, and Janie and I were friends, and I'm sorry, 1665 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:49,479 Speaker 2: we're we're still friends. And we would, you know, just 1666 01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,320 Speaker 2: jam a lot. And I got to play with Billy 1667 01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,240 Speaker 2: Cox down there. I got to hold you know, the 1668 01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,599 Speaker 2: Hendrix strat and everything, and Eddie I think he came 1669 01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,559 Speaker 2: down there once as well. But yeah, it was just 1670 01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,479 Speaker 2: it's been an amazing workingd with Eddie in the studio, 1671 01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,719 Speaker 2: Like watching him dial in tones like the old school 1672 01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,200 Speaker 2: way and compressors and all that kind of stuff. It's 1673 01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:14,400 Speaker 2: pretty pretty intense and mod a legend. I feel very honored, 1674 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,360 Speaker 2: very honored now. 1675 01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,599 Speaker 3: Eddie Kramer, Kevin Sure, we are both from South Africa. 1676 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:26,479 Speaker 3: They are, so what is special about the South Africans? 1677 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:28,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think you know what. I think 1678 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:33,600 Speaker 2: my great great grandfather is from South Africa too. I 1679 01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,120 Speaker 2: don't know. So, yeah, I'm kind of a bit of 1680 01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,320 Speaker 2: a European mutt and I have some I could ask 1681 01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,240 Speaker 2: my mother exactly, but I don't know. They're cool. They're 1682 01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:44,320 Speaker 2: very cool people. I've never been there, but both Eddie 1683 01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,840 Speaker 2: and Kevin just have a way about them that's kind 1684 01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,599 Speaker 2: of differently the same, but they're just both very sure 1685 01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,439 Speaker 2: of themselves. They know exactly what they're going for, and 1686 01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,160 Speaker 2: it's an honor to work with both of them. Love it. 1687 01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,000 Speaker 3: Okay, how did the SCIRL group come together? 1688 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,760 Speaker 2: It was kind of it came together in this like 1689 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,280 Speaker 2: kind of haphazard way. We're going to tell the story 1690 01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,200 Speaker 2: one down. I can't. I've been told not to give 1691 01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,040 Speaker 2: out too much information about the situation right now, So. 1692 01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,640 Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this. How long have you 1693 01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,439 Speaker 3: been working on the girl band? 1694 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:17,920 Speaker 2: About a year? 1695 01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:23,000 Speaker 3: And what came first? The band the Idea or. 1696 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,200 Speaker 2: Eddie Kramer the Idea? 1697 01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,400 Speaker 3: Okay and the Idea, and then Eddie Kreamer, and then 1698 01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:30,200 Speaker 3: the band. 1699 01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:38,280 Speaker 2: The Idea, Cindy Blackman, Santana. Then I think we found 1700 01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,400 Speaker 2: Ronda or Eddie. Yeah, Eddie and Ronda sort of came 1701 01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,920 Speaker 2: at the same time. And then yeah, so. 1702 01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you're going to play at the Raiders game. 1703 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,400 Speaker 3: How has that even come to pass? 1704 01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:56,080 Speaker 2: Got invited? I played actually play the national anthem in 1705 01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,160 Speaker 2: Oakland for the Raiders. I've been a Raiders fan since 1706 01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:01,080 Speaker 2: I was eleven, I believe it not in Australia because 1707 01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:02,800 Speaker 2: I thought that was so cool. And I used to 1708 01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,240 Speaker 2: go to the Royal show and they had the Pirate 1709 01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:06,720 Speaker 2: hat and all the swag, and I was just into 1710 01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,599 Speaker 2: American culture anyway, so I was like, yeah, go Raiders, 1711 01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,040 Speaker 2: and I was always wearing like different Chicago Bulls hats, 1712 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,720 Speaker 2: Raiders swag. And then when I got invited to do 1713 01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:22,559 Speaker 2: the halftime so the national anthem back in twenty fourteen, 1714 01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,080 Speaker 2: I met Mark Davis. He's an owner and he's been 1715 01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,599 Speaker 2: a very dear friend of mine. For many years. So yeah, 1716 01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:30,360 Speaker 2: that was really cool. 1717 01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:34,759 Speaker 3: Okay, you're going out with Alice Cooper. To what degree 1718 01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,840 Speaker 3: do you have to work to pay the bills? Or 1719 01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,800 Speaker 3: with all these endorsements and guitars, et cetera, there's enough 1720 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:43,560 Speaker 3: money coming in that you're comfortable. 1721 01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's enough money coming in. I'm definitely very comfortable 1722 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,200 Speaker 2: for sure. I mean, you know, it's funny. It's like 1723 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,840 Speaker 2: in this industry, you make a lot, you lose a lot. 1724 01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:55,439 Speaker 2: You go through a lot of stuff that people don't 1725 01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,960 Speaker 2: even know about, and you know, paying people off and 1726 01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:03,120 Speaker 2: managers and the next amount of and things and lawyers. Yeah, 1727 01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,240 Speaker 2: things are expensive, that's for sure. So you can make 1728 01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,240 Speaker 2: a lot of money, lose a lot of money, make 1729 01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,880 Speaker 2: it again, lose it. It's up and down all the time, 1730 01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:11,800 Speaker 2: for sure. 1731 01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,519 Speaker 3: Well, if you stop playing guitar today, which I know 1732 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,280 Speaker 3: you don't want to do, do you have enough money 1733 01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,000 Speaker 3: to continue to live or you got to work? 1734 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,559 Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm still working. There's there's many things I 1735 01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,120 Speaker 2: want to I want to do and buy, So you know, 1736 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:28,240 Speaker 2: for sure. 1737 01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,040 Speaker 3: You want to buy? What do you want to buy? 1738 01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,200 Speaker 2: A couple of houses that I'm looking at right now, So. 1739 01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, how many houses do you have now? 1740 01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,840 Speaker 2: Well, the one I'm I'm I've got it quite a 1741 01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:43,439 Speaker 2: few in Australia, and then I've got my place here 1742 01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,080 Speaker 2: in LA and I would love to have a home 1743 01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,320 Speaker 2: in I think I want to own a home in Vegas. 1744 01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,360 Speaker 2: I think I do. And I also want to own 1745 01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:56,040 Speaker 2: a place by the beach in Australia as well, So 1746 01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,840 Speaker 2: and maybe maybe also maybe now sure but I'm not sure, 1747 01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,240 Speaker 2: you know, yeah. 1748 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,280 Speaker 3: Okay, So how many homes do you own in Australia. 1749 01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:08,080 Speaker 2: Well, personally with my family, we have quite a quite 1750 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,560 Speaker 2: a few homes. I don't know exactly that before. 1751 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,799 Speaker 3: But I just want to understand are you buying homes 1752 01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,280 Speaker 3: as an investment or you're buying homes because you want 1753 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,439 Speaker 3: to have a house and live there yourself when you're 1754 01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:21,240 Speaker 3: in that town. 1755 01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,360 Speaker 2: It's honestly, if I buy a home in Vegas or 1756 01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,640 Speaker 2: Nashville or out here in LA because I'm in this 1757 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,920 Speaker 2: condo right now, it would be because I want to 1758 01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,360 Speaker 2: live here. So it's finding the right place where I 1759 01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,719 Speaker 2: would it would be my sanctuary. So I've been searching 1760 01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,840 Speaker 2: for years to find the right place out here in 1761 01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,800 Speaker 2: America that I feel like this is the place I 1762 01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,760 Speaker 2: want to be my main residence, you know what I mean. 1763 01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,120 Speaker 2: So because I'm always touring, I'm always on the road, 1764 01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,280 Speaker 2: so it's like it's convenient for me to have a 1765 01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:57,360 Speaker 2: bunch of storage units here and condo, so you know 1766 01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:58,479 Speaker 2: that's convenient. 1767 01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:01,280 Speaker 3: So do you live in a house or a condo? 1768 01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:02,519 Speaker 2: A condo here? 1769 01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:06,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you can just there's a door person 1770 01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:07,479 Speaker 3: you can leave for months and you don't have to 1771 01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:08,080 Speaker 3: worry about it. 1772 01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,559 Speaker 2: Exactly. I was in a house before with my partner. 1773 01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,439 Speaker 2: But then you know, I'm oveed this condo and it's 1774 01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:19,320 Speaker 2: very secure and there's security everywhere, like it's Fort Knox basically. Here. 1775 01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,040 Speaker 2: You know, you've got cameras and then if anyone was 1776 01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:25,360 Speaker 2: to come into my place, immediately, you know, goes to 1777 01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,639 Speaker 2: the police. I got like, it's pretty crazy their security 1778 01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:29,559 Speaker 2: I have here for sure. 1779 01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:34,120 Speaker 3: Now you talk about a partner, you've never been married, right. 1780 01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,479 Speaker 2: No, I have not, but I have kind of it's 1781 01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:43,680 Speaker 2: been like, you know, almost like a marriage. My longest relationship. 1782 01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,800 Speaker 2: I've got her here, so I'd call it kind of 1783 01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,600 Speaker 2: like a marriage. You know, we live together for. 1784 01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,440 Speaker 3: A long time, but you're not with someone. 1785 01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:56,320 Speaker 2: Now, No, I am I'm yeah, I'm dating around right now, 1786 01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:57,200 Speaker 2: so it's all good. 1787 01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,439 Speaker 3: And do you have a desire for children? Don't care 1788 01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:01,280 Speaker 3: about children? 1789 01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,120 Speaker 2: No? I don't. I don't think I want children. No, 1790 01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:11,000 Speaker 2: I don't, because the thing is, you know, before I 1791 01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,040 Speaker 2: was thinking about it, but now I'm like, No, if 1792 01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,800 Speaker 2: I was going to be have a child, I would 1793 01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:20,320 Speaker 2: want to be the best mother. Ever. I don't think 1794 01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,960 Speaker 2: that I could be with what I'm doing, and you 1795 01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,080 Speaker 2: know what I mean. And by the time I've accomplished 1796 01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,679 Speaker 2: what I want to do with my life like and everything, 1797 01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,120 Speaker 2: I don't think a child would fit into that. And 1798 01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:32,559 Speaker 2: I don't want to be one of those parents that, 1799 01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:36,040 Speaker 2: like you know, brings up an asshole child. 1800 01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:41,080 Speaker 3: So you know, okay, if you're in LA, are you 1801 01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,320 Speaker 3: the type of person who's connecting with friends all the 1802 01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,040 Speaker 3: time and going out? Are you the type of person 1803 01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:51,599 Speaker 3: staying home working on your stuff watching TV? Who knows both? 1804 01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:54,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? I like to hit the Sunset Marquee a lot 1805 01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,960 Speaker 2: with my friends and my other places around here or 1806 01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,400 Speaker 2: MOUs strows or wherever I go. You know, it's like Craigs, 1807 01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:03,640 Speaker 2: you know, I do go out. I do. I have 1808 01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,280 Speaker 2: gatherings with my friends, my very dear friends who I 1809 01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:11,679 Speaker 2: love and I have like sometimes like just dinners, organize 1810 01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,280 Speaker 2: it once once a week or once every you know, 1811 01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:17,720 Speaker 2: or just girls night out and or girls and boys 1812 01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,720 Speaker 2: night out and we just go and we you know, 1813 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,760 Speaker 2: have a few drinks and it's wonderful to catch up 1814 01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,160 Speaker 2: with friends. You know, it's hard sometimes because we're all 1815 01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,240 Speaker 2: on tour, so it's just bying the moment where everyone's 1816 01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,439 Speaker 2: in town. You know, your friends are all together. 1817 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:34,120 Speaker 3: So most of your friends are musicians, not civilians. 1818 01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,880 Speaker 2: No, I have a couple that are not musicians, but 1819 01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:43,759 Speaker 2: you know, it's like most of them are or agents 1820 01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,640 Speaker 2: or they work in different industries or you know, just 1821 01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,639 Speaker 2: in different fields. But they're mostly like in the entertainment 1822 01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:50,360 Speaker 2: field for sure. 1823 01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:55,720 Speaker 3: Okay, so you're a guitar player. Who's the greatest rock guitarist. 1824 01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,559 Speaker 2: I don't know what who the Everyone's so different, they're 1825 01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,519 Speaker 2: so great, you know, I'm saying that I can't. I 1826 01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,920 Speaker 2: said that Jimmy Hendrix was great, and he was one 1827 01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,040 Speaker 2: of the best, and he was an innovator. But then 1828 01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:11,360 Speaker 2: there's Steve I, who's incredibly great technically and beautiful the 1829 01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,479 Speaker 2: way he plays and got Santana who's one of the 1830 01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,400 Speaker 2: greatest in my eyes, and then you go, you know, 1831 01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, there's too many. I can't like, they're 1832 01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:23,400 Speaker 2: all incredible. But for me though, inspiration wise, Santana is 1833 01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:27,599 Speaker 2: definitely the reason why I wanted to play electric guitar. 1834 01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,439 Speaker 2: So I would say Tantana if I had to. 1835 01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,200 Speaker 3: If you listen to Santana, what album do you play? 1836 01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,880 Speaker 2: You know what? I think that my favorite would be 1837 01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,320 Speaker 2: Sacred Fire Live in Mexico. It's a live record, but 1838 01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,800 Speaker 2: I would suggest to anyone to put that on and 1839 01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:45,720 Speaker 2: it's so inspiring. 1840 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,080 Speaker 3: And if you're listening to Hendrix, what are you listening to? 1841 01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:55,680 Speaker 2: Banner Gypsies or probably live with Buddy Miles at the 1842 01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:57,519 Speaker 2: film All that was really awesome too. It's like a 1843 01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:05,519 Speaker 2: three vinyl kind of set. Yeah, I don't know, there's 1844 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,600 Speaker 2: so many. There's so many with Hendrix, I kind of 1845 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,200 Speaker 2: love them all. That's the thing. So hard to pick one. 1846 01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:14,240 Speaker 3: And what degree do you keep up on contemporary music? 1847 01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,400 Speaker 2: I check in, you know. I mean, I really like 1848 01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:21,719 Speaker 2: Teddy Swims. I think he's core. I really like country 1849 01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:25,559 Speaker 2: music too. Yeah, but I would say right now like 1850 01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:27,960 Speaker 2: Teddy Swims. For some reason, he has an old school sound. 1851 01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:30,320 Speaker 2: His voice is so good that yeah, it's my favorite 1852 01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:31,320 Speaker 2: new artists. 1853 01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:36,439 Speaker 3: Okay, Australia certainly is not as big as the United States. 1854 01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:40,080 Speaker 3: Is it like an Australian mafia where all the Australian 1855 01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:41,400 Speaker 3: musicians know each other? 1856 01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:44,840 Speaker 2: Kind of kind of? 1857 01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:45,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1858 01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:46,719 Speaker 2: I mean I haven't been back there for five years. 1859 01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:48,080 Speaker 2: I'm going back for the first time. 1860 01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:49,559 Speaker 3: But I mean in the US. 1861 01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:54,519 Speaker 2: On the US, no, I mean no, I don't know 1862 01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,160 Speaker 2: that many Australians out here, to be honest. One of 1863 01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,839 Speaker 2: my guitar actually, my guitar player, Nick Mayberry, he's Australian. 1864 01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,040 Speaker 2: But and then Vanessa Morosi, she's Australian, one of my 1865 01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,640 Speaker 2: best friends. She's a great singer. But other than that, 1866 01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:09,320 Speaker 2: not that many Australians know. 1867 01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:14,560 Speaker 3: Okay, so you've accomplished so much, but what are the 1868 01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:16,080 Speaker 3: dreams in the future. 1869 01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:21,400 Speaker 2: To reach more people with the music I make? To 1870 01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,840 Speaker 2: better myself as a singer songwriter? It is how play 1871 01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:29,000 Speaker 2: everything you know? You never stop learning, you never stop searching, creating. 1872 01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,599 Speaker 2: There's so much more to do, you know. I feel 1873 01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:35,280 Speaker 2: like I've just gotten started. So that's the truth. I 1874 01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,320 Speaker 2: just want to reach a lot of people and continue 1875 01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,640 Speaker 2: to evolve and not bore myself and bore others. So 1876 01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:41,479 Speaker 2: that's a plan. 1877 01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:45,000 Speaker 3: Okay, Rimpi. I want to thank you for taking this 1878 01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:47,520 Speaker 3: time to speak with me and my audience. 1879 01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,479 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me so I appreciate you. 1880 01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:51,160 Speaker 2: A good time. 1881 01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:54,840 Speaker 3: Thank you you bet Till next time. This is Bob 1882 01:35:54,960 --> 01:36:17,360 Speaker 3: Left Sex sh