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Speaker 3: It's Wednesday, meaning Joel Clat one hour from now. As

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Speaker 3: we head into a college football weekend. You know, Jay McCay,

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Speaker 1: Morning, they're all worked out, everybody. I had three different people,

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Speaker 1: what what do you make at? What are you making? Cato?

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Speaker 1: Will you? I said's a long season. I'm not sure,

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Speaker 1: but I was thinking about this this morning. We're both parents,

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Speaker 1: and you know, parents want their kids to be number one,

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Speaker 1: number one in the class valedictorian, got to start in

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Speaker 1: the basketball team, number one. It's all nonsense. It's all nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Where you go to college. Where do you fit best

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Speaker 1: is where you should go to college if you're going

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Speaker 1: to be a success. Phil Knight started at Oregon. He

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Speaker 1: eventually went to Stanford, but he started, you know, at Oregon,

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of the reality of life. It's about fit.

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Speaker 1: Here's where finishing number one doesn't necessarily help you. Getting

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Speaker 1: drafted as a quarterback, JJ McCarthy was the fifth quarterback

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Speaker 1: taken and bo Nix was the sixth. Yet they got

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, and they got Sean Payton, Lamar Jackson. Last quarterback,

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Speaker 1: first round. Last player actually went to the Ravens Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: the tenth pick went to the Stable Chiefs. Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: Third quarterback taken Aaron Rodgers, Dan Marino fell in the

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Speaker 1: first round. One got Don Shula Super Bowl second year,

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Speaker 1: the other one got, you know, the Packers. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how good JJ McCarthy is. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: good bo Nicks is, but I suspect they're both going

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Speaker 1: to win their division a lot, and over the course

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Speaker 1: of fifteen years, they're gonna win a bunch of games.

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Speaker 1: Because I think Kevin O'Connell is the best young offensive

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Speaker 1: coach in football. I know Sean McVay, yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: mean I don't even consider Sean McVay young anymore. Right, Like,

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Speaker 1: he's a veteran head coach, and that's a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of bad coaching staffs in this league.

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Speaker 1: And even when you get a coach that's not bad,

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Speaker 1: If you go look at Jared Goff's entire career, it

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Speaker 1: Minnesota vi he'th My wife used to live and work

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, that's right. The Vikings are always good.

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Speaker 1: They always have good owners, they always have a good

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Speaker 1: mean Sam Donald and Kirk Cousins both finished top ten

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Speaker 1: to the Jets. So this idea, this our society is

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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's a high school choice, which

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Speaker 1: it's a college choice. The IVY League isn't for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Big state schools, you know Texas, you know, they're not

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Speaker 1: But I look at bow Knicks, you know, Bo Knicks

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is better than Baker, and it took Baker a

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Speaker 1: But in the NFL injuries regulated levels of violence, sometimes

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Speaker 1: longer you live. Parenting is not fair. Some people get

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Speaker 1: bad parents and bad bosses and bad coaches. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I just all I know is I look at JJ

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Speaker 1: Levis stuff, but his coach stayed with him, hung with him,

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Speaker 4: All the credit in the world should go to and

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Speaker 4: half that you know that can be infectious for a while,

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Speaker 1: We are obsessed with finishing number one when it comes

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Speaker 1: rebuild with Ben Johnson. All Right, speaking of Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 1: I can't speak for everybody else, but I think this

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Speaker 1: life have held me accountable, but have also held my

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't think I called a particularly great game.

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Speaker 5: I could have adjusted a little bit better to the

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Speaker 1: Training camp OTAs pre season week one. He's holding himself

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Speaker 1: and Caleb Williams accountable. Best bosses I've ever had do

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Speaker 1: just upset, tell me, I'll figure it out. Remember Matt Eberflus,

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Speaker 1: they lost a hail Mary game, gave up all those

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Speaker 1: McDaniel ice cream for breakfast. Mike McDaniel. Miami players stroll

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Speaker 1: in late Tyreek Hill criticizes his quarterback publicly in camp.

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Speaker 1: Remember this year in camp when teams practiced against those

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Speaker 1: joint practices practice against the Dolphins, and I forget the team,

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Speaker 1: McVay admits now with the Rams he had to lighten up.

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Speaker 1: If you look at Conflin and Sean McVay, their resumes

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Speaker 1: are filled with accountability. To themselves and others. It's one

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Speaker 1: of my knocks on Mike Tomlin. He's two player friendly.

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Speaker 1: It just just I mean, and again, I don't expect

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Speaker 1: it's fluid and it's going fast. I was joking with

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Speaker 1: he's not handling it well, he's not asking her about her,

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Speaker 1: He's doing too much talking. That's the way we judge

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Speaker 1: in the media coaching. Well, how come he didn't do this?

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Speaker 1: And how come he didn't do that. You've got a

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Speaker 1: million things going on in your head. You're dealing with coordinators,

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Speaker 1: coaches are perfect, but when they make mistakes, just own it.

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Speaker 1: You just got to own it. And Ben Johnson was

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Speaker 1: the one thing about Dan Campbell. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: a schematic genius, but he's an authentic guy who when

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Speaker 1: he screws up, Dan Campbell owns it. And that is

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Speaker 1: It was a Dolphins Lions joint practice. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: got to own it. Joel Klass is going to show

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Speaker 1: Sanchez about that. You know, there's still a little reverb.

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Speaker 6: LeVar Arrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce

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Speaker 1: What is Up on Game?

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Speaker 1: So, the Ravens got clobbered over the last couple of

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Speaker 1: on the road. Josh Allen occasionally is amazing. I don't

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Speaker 1: I went back and I looked. I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: about the teams that lead big. They're all good Ravens, Bills, Niners, Lions, Eagles, Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: a lot of crappy teams lead big. The other thing

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Speaker 1: I noticed is not only have the Ravens led more

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Speaker 1: they've had ten more huge leads in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: more than the Bengals. And I'm not saying they don't

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Speaker 1: play with their food a little and they don't need

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Speaker 1: to get better. But when you look closely at it,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't the Jets, Giants and Panthers Jags love to have

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Speaker 1: then I went and looked at the teams they've blown

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Speaker 1: leads against. And here's what's interesting. It's often horrible teams. Dolphins, Giants, Jags, Browns, Raiders.

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Speaker 1: just circumstantial. It's a bad break. Then I went and

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Speaker 1: league with the most blown fourth quarter leads, double digit leads. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Tom Landry, Don Shula, Bill Belichick, Mike Shanahan, and John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: You see blown leads, you know, I see Lombardi trophies.

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Speaker 1: on a seven year run. So the Ravens have two

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Speaker 1: huge leads. It's often against bad teams. I mean, you've

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Speaker 1: heard the back door cover. That's a term used by

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Speaker 1: gamblers where you know you have the better team, you

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Speaker 1: You know, you take seven and a half points and

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Speaker 1: they've been getting beat by thirteen fourteen all day, and

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Speaker 1: then they backdoor cover. Sometimes backdoor covers become backdoor losses.

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Speaker 1: But The truth is they just lead more than everybody else,

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Speaker 1: They can't beat Kansas City in the playoffs, and that's

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Speaker 1: a clear issue. But I got one of the worst problems.

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Speaker 1: It's like a it's almost a good problem to have.

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Speaker 1: get into these huge leads. By the way, we win

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Speaker 7: Maybe part of is the fact that we've been ahead

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Speaker 7: If I'm not mistaken, that's too many we need to

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Speaker 1: You know, let's give us some thought. And for the record,

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Speaker 1: in college football, and I don't think I'm wrong saying this,

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Speaker 1: no Josh Allens quarterbacking in college football. It's just part

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Speaker 1: Well. One of the more entertaining games, probably the most

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Speaker 8: I don't know if it's because of the motivation playing

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Speaker 8: To uh to go out and prove it, and we'll

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Speaker 1: Because that was a good matchup.

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Speaker 1: I thought, not only did Justin Fields play well, I

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Speaker 8: I've never seen him spin it better. It was unbelievable

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Monday Night football, I it was just weak.

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Speaker 1: That was fun to watch. What was something Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: did you liked? Everybody's nitpicked, everybody's criticized him. The bad

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Speaker 1: stuff was obvious. Was there anything you saw and you

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Speaker 1: kind of liked?

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Speaker 8: Well, his highlights are like the highs are so high,

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Speaker 8: the lows are so low.

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Speaker 1: Some of the throws that just go sailing.

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Speaker 8: Over a guy's head in the flat like those ones

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Speaker 8: leave you scratch in your head a little bit. And

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Speaker 8: then the ones that are you know, the trick shot

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Speaker 8: kind of falling away, got to put extra zing on

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Speaker 8: it and you're getting hit as you throw it, and

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Speaker 8: the ball, you know, almost sticks in the guy's face

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Speaker 8: mask and it's the most accurate ball you've ever seen.

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Speaker 8: So it was just the swing, the from great to

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Speaker 8: or throw it was I don't know. He just didn't

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Speaker 8: look as consistent as you want to see him. I

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Speaker 8: don't know if it's you know, the first game kind

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Speaker 8: of thing, but he showed it in spurts. It's now

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Speaker 8: about you know, managing your misses and you know, not

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Speaker 8: having such a delta between your great plays and your

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Speaker 8: awful plays just somewhere in the.

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Speaker 1: Middle would be a lot easier for the coach and

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Speaker 1: everybody else. So on Friday in Brazil, Chargers beat the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert was magnificent with a receiving corp that we've

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Speaker 1: always said it's not quite there yet. So you have

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Speaker 1: a new show, by the way, which you can plug

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Speaker 1: here as well. But I just thought I thought it

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Speaker 1: maybe I know the Chiefs secondary's talented. It just looked

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Speaker 1: like he was in a complete zone in the second half.

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Speaker 8: What say you, My man was on fire and you're

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Speaker 8: talking about NFL on Fox Present's rear View and I

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Speaker 8: got to interview Justin. But basically the idea behind the

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Speaker 8: show is to use some of the relationships I have

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Speaker 8: in the league, get some true perspective, authentic you know,

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Speaker 8: answers from players about what's going on in their world.

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Speaker 1: Nothing you know, spun by the media. It's not a

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Speaker 1: podium thing.

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Speaker 8: It's not you know, hopefully not a bunch of cliches

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Speaker 8: and coach speaker, you know, those kind of Hey, we're

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Speaker 8: going to bring our a game and hope we beat

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Speaker 8: the no. I want to know what's really going on.

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Speaker 8: Talk to me as a player, a person, a former player.

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Speaker 8: You know, let's let's get into it and let me

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Speaker 8: hear your thoughts. But he is a special talent and

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Speaker 8: when he gets hot. We talked about, you know, JJ

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Speaker 8: McCarthy getting hot. When Herbert gets hot. I mean, his

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Speaker 8: numbers early on in his career speak for themselves. And

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Speaker 8: he's just never had those big game moments on this stage, right.

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Speaker 8: He did in the Rose Bowl one that took over

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Speaker 8: that game against Wisconsin, I believe, with his legs. And

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Speaker 8: then this pass game to open the season against the

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Speaker 8: Chiefs in Brazil, just to scramble to ice the game

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Speaker 8: and the slide, and you saw a little bit of

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Speaker 8: his personality show because he's so quiet and so reserved.

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Speaker 8: He's a man a few words, but you saw him

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Speaker 8: slide and kind of hold the post for a second

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Speaker 8: like okay, you know, you kind of see him coming

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Speaker 8: out of his shell a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And I think he gets like that.

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Speaker 8: As the game goes on, he takes a hit, he

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Speaker 8: starts getting his groove.

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Speaker 1: Look out, man, that guy's scary.

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Speaker 8: And I think he's finally starting to hit that, you know,

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Speaker 8: that crescendo in his career where a lot of these

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Speaker 8: big games he might be on the other side of

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Speaker 8: things and it's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: To watch too. So Mark, when you were in the league,

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Speaker 1: you week three of the preseason, you got a lot

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Speaker 1: of snaps as a starter. That's the way it used

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Speaker 1: to be. You'd pay play a half. That's not the way.

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Speaker 1: That's not the way it works anymore. So I don't

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Speaker 1: the last few years, as we've cut down to three

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Speaker 1: preseason games and starters don't play. I'm very I don't

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Speaker 1: want to overboard on bad young quarterback play or bad

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Speaker 1: O line play because I think O lines take a

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Speaker 1: while to get right. So I don't want to go

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Speaker 1: crazy on New England's got all these new coaches and

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Speaker 1: new offensive linements like eh, but give me a thought

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Speaker 1: about what is the difference between Week one and two

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Speaker 1: in the NFL and then you played in the different era.

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Speaker 1: But it feels like to me Week one it almost

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Speaker 1: felt experimental for some of these teams offensively.

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Speaker 8: You're exactly right. I think Week one poses so many

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Speaker 8: challenges for each team inherently, just like when you show

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Speaker 8: up for training camp, just like when you show up

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Speaker 8: for OTAs a defense is just a little bit ahead

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Speaker 8: of everything going on, because that initial game is a

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Speaker 8: lot of reactions to unscouted looks things you've never seen,

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Speaker 8: pressures and stuff that you're just not prepared for necessarily,

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Speaker 8: so you kind of just work off your own rules

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Speaker 8: and figure it out as a group. But I think

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Speaker 8: that's a big issue is the unscattered looks, the conditioning

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Speaker 8: aspect of Week one getting back into playing shape, especially

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Speaker 8: these guys that didn't play like we saw the guys

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Speaker 8: from the Titans go to Denver. I mean that elevation

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Speaker 8: is real and Game one elevation new place. It's real,

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Speaker 8: and they were dragging a little bit towards the end

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Speaker 8: of the game both sides, but Denver was obviously accustomed

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Speaker 8: to it. So it's a huge advantage playing at my

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Speaker 8: high like that. I think that's a big one. And

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Speaker 8: then you go through all these practices, even when they're

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Speaker 8: joint practices in preseason games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like tackling, but not as full speed to

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Speaker 1: the ground.

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Speaker 8: Right that Week one jump in speed and full speed

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Speaker 8: tackling to the ground, guys forget, Guys forget, and the.

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Speaker 1: Bulk just goes everywhere.

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Speaker 8: So I think that's kind of the reason for the

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Speaker 8: way Week one looks the way it looks.

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Speaker 1: It's different