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Speaker 1: I listen to the Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 1: Rod and Karen.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another episode of the Blackout Tills podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host right join us always by my co

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Speaker 2: host Karen, and we're live on a Sunday morning. Now,

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Speaker 2: let me explain what's happening here. Okay, guys, we have

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Speaker 2: guests and they're longtime listeners of the show. We've met

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Speaker 2: him a few times in real life. We've gone in

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Speaker 2: the concerts a couple of times. And I think what's

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Speaker 2: happening is we are all like old and black. So

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Speaker 2: the technologies is we got a galay from Vernon. Vernon

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Speaker 2: is like about like ten seconds behind us.

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Speaker 3: We can work around that.

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Speaker 2: And then I think Corey's on time. But Corey had

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Speaker 2: to get his mic right, you think, yeah, see he

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Speaker 2: just said something and that was ten seconds ago, So

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Speaker 2: I think he works. But we're gonna we've done this before.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna make this happen.

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Speaker 4: This shit never worked the way it's supposed to. Ever,

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Speaker 4: it never did. Ever.

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Speaker 5: I just had my son who set this all up,

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Speaker 5: who's the computer genius, And it's still looking like shit.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand why.

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Speaker 3: We see you find and we hear you personally. You

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Speaker 3: look great.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's like it's like a Japanese animation thing from

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Speaker 1: back in the sixties.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's Corey Astro Black, It's Corey Glover and Bernie

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Speaker 2: Reed from Living Color. This is the chaos we're used

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Speaker 2: to when we do these shows, and people love them

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Speaker 2: and they love having y'all on that. We love having

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Speaker 2: y'all on here. First of all, how have y'all been.

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Speaker 2: It's been a while since y'all been on the show,

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Speaker 2: but I've been seeing y'all out like toring storming out

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Speaker 2: in the streets again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've been out here for about We just got

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Speaker 5: back like a week ago from Australia. We were there

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Speaker 5: for two weeks, and then before that, we were in

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Speaker 5: North America for about two months.

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Speaker 4: Uh, playing with Extreme.

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Speaker 6: It was I think all told, it was like seven

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Speaker 6: or eight weeks. Mm hmmm all together.

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Speaker 2: Y'all been to Australia before, Yeah, yeah, yeah, a few times.

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Speaker 2: How y'all like it?

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Speaker 6: It's credit, it's different, it's very very different. It's a

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Speaker 6: beaut a beautiful country.

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Speaker 1: So it's you know, they got other you know, they

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Speaker 1: got other minorities that they oppressed, you know.

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Speaker 3: As a black American.

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Speaker 2: That is how I feel like, Like whenever somebody's like, man,

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Speaker 2: you gotta go to blank, I'll be like, so they

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Speaker 2: just they fucking with somebody else, Okay, right.

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Speaker 4: Ain't fucking with you. Ain't fucking with you at all.

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Speaker 5: And then once they hear your actions like oh, because

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Speaker 5: every now and then they would say.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the black fella. I was like the black fellow.

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Speaker 6: And it's not me.

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Speaker 2: It's not me.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 2: I think Australia this terrible pr because every time it's

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Speaker 2: like going to a place, no you go, vernon, you

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Speaker 2: go vern O, Wait, doctor go on.

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Speaker 1: Well no, it's like going to a place that's very

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Speaker 1: similar to to everything you know, but it's totally different.

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Speaker 4: It's like Britain's you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: You see modern stuff, you see the brands that when

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Speaker 1: you see Starbucks, you see all these things. You see

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Speaker 1: these old grand buildings. But you look at those old

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Speaker 1: grand and they have a completely different history to them.

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Speaker 1: They have a completely different history than even like if

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Speaker 1: you've ever been to London, it's Australia is totally different.

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Speaker 6: It's a totally different scenario. It's interesting they.

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Speaker 2: Got the worst pr of a lot of like of

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Speaker 2: any of the major countries, because every time I think

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Speaker 2: of them, I just think of killer animals, like kangaroo spiders.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Mary just said something about the spiders. We didn't

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Speaker 5: see those spiders. The only kangaroo was I saw was

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Speaker 5: kangaroo meat. There were people selling kangaroo meat to eat. Now,

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Speaker 5: the thing about kangaroo meat is that it has no fat.

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Speaker 5: The kangaroos themselves are all nothing but muscle. That's why

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Speaker 5: There was a butcher who was selling kangaroo meat, and

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Speaker 6: You know. The only thing that people the only thing

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Speaker 1: In the West know about kangaroos is that they got

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Speaker 6: And also the kangaroos box.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the whole pouce up of kangaroo

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Speaker 1: boxes is sod bananas. Like imagine if you gave a

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Speaker 2: And that was the thing, all right, Yeah, I remember

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Speaker 6: I saw what kind of what kind of psychology will

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Speaker 5: They say that that they are they are the most

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Speaker 5: dangerous animal in the world. I believe that they because

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Speaker 5: they have no fear of anyone or anything. And they

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Speaker 5: get up on their hind legs. They can be seven

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Speaker 5: to eight feet tall, run.

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Speaker 7: Run, and they got the tail too, with just like

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Speaker 7: a they stand on that and they stand on the tail.

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Speaker 2: They can stand on the tail and hit you.

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Speaker 5: With they they have they have a claw that's like

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Speaker 5: three feet long that could tear you that that can

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Speaker 5: open you up.

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Speaker 4: But you don't see them because they're like deer.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: They roam around. They go, I'm not going over there,

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Speaker 4: the people over there.

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Speaker 1: But you like this though, human beings like this, Oh

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Speaker 1: that's very scary. Oh my god, that's terrifying. I wonder

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Speaker 1: what it tastes like. Beers who would like this scared

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Speaker 1: me to death. It scared me to death. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: This would be a delightful row.

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Speaker 2: It depends on who cook it, because like I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying I'm above eating kangaroo. I know, I'm I'm definitely

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Speaker 2: not eating kangaroo burgers. If it's just like salt pepper curios, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just like if it was like like

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Speaker 2: if my grandma had a kangaroo recipe. I felt like

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Speaker 2: that shit would be hitting, but just in Australia, I

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Speaker 2: don't think I'm gonna try it.

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Speaker 8: You know, no, you know what, you might want to

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Speaker 8: keep kangaroo from a negro's lips though, because you know,

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Speaker 8: if it get good, if it got good to a negro,

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Speaker 8: you the kangaroos would be in trouble.

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Speaker 3: Listen, kangaroos would be in trouble, child, y'all.

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Speaker 7: They'd be like child, I put, I put kangaroo and

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Speaker 7: my greens child, it was flames. You ain't know you

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Speaker 7: try the new kangaroo wags like kangaroo got We saw

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Speaker 7: what happened.

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Speaker 2: This happened. You saw what happened to oxtail. Like I

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Speaker 2: don't know if y'all been following the oxtail trend, but

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Speaker 7: Everything everything and calls him the cost for the brick

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Speaker 7: to go up? Really yes, dockstail, pizza, ox tail, cheese.

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Speaker 3: Steak like it's out of controlble.

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Speaker 6: That means that means some Jamaican. Some Jamaicans decided to capitalize.

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Speaker 6: That's what happened.

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Speaker 2: Well, imagine they had kangaroo tail or something.

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Speaker 5: And how big and non fat that is, you know,

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Speaker 5: it's the whole dietary thing that'd.

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Speaker 2: Be like this, the healthy oxtail right here, fat on

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Speaker 2: this kangaroo tail.

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Speaker 7: Yes, niggas gonna be eating that chip. Made my diabetes

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Speaker 7: go down. You better get on this kangaroo.

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Speaker 2: My sugar don't be as high. What did you pick him?

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Speaker 3: A Thanksgiving kangaroo?

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Speaker 6: Can? That means that root broing down my sugar.

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Speaker 3: That root, and you know we gonna rename it.

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Speaker 9: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be that.

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Speaker 2: Root right now.

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Speaker 4: That root saved my foot.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I just got that root.

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Speaker 6: Coats and everything he will.

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Speaker 1: They would be would become the new rabbit coat.

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Speaker 7: Y'all, y'all be talking about fish fries to be rude

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Speaker 7: fries out there ta be see you what is this?

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Speaker 2: This?

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Speaker 3: This is that rude dog.

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Speaker 2: They already got persons. I mean the pouches is right

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Speaker 2: on them. I mean they lucky. We're not down there, dog.

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Speaker 2: We changed, we changed the game.

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Speaker 3: Like that is actually sporting a kangaroo.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand what tell suit sounds.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, so that's.

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Speaker 6: A big ass pot though.

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Speaker 9: That's a big.

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Speaker 2: You gonna be cooking all day.

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Speaker 3: Somebody will find a plot y'all.

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Speaker 7: Y'all know, back in the day, they used to have

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Speaker 7: them big ass plots that they would put all in.

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Speaker 2: So like, uh, y'all were in Australia, man, like where where?

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Speaker 4: Keep talking?

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Speaker 10: my Adelaide is my favorite town in Australia because Adelaide

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Speaker 10: there's a big market in Adelaide and it's fantastic as

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Speaker 10: a food market, the coy chrys or the room meet

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Speaker 10: and also it's a it's a it's the town that

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Speaker 10: has the most black folks in it, like it's the most.

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Speaker 6: Africans lived in Adelaide, and.

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Speaker 1: It's a real cool you know, it's a real cool

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Speaker 1: little restaurants and whatnot. The vibe, the hand it's really

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Speaker 1: cool in atatde that's dope.

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Speaker 2: And uh who dy'all like perform with or is it

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Speaker 2: Like how does that work?

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Speaker 1: We were touring with So we were touring with The

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Speaker 1: Bad Extreme okay, right, yeah, because they got a new

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Speaker 1: record up that's blowing that's blowing up.

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Speaker 6: So we were touring. We're touring around with with them?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's dope, man. Yeah, we drove by the place

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Speaker 2: that y'all perform. Wh y'all were here the other day.

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Speaker 2: There's a line outside of cares like where they going.

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Speaker 2: I was like, probably a concert? You know, it's remember

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Speaker 2: when we was in that line? You don't remember that.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that.

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Speaker 3: I'm old, So I was like, what is happening over there?

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Speaker 2: And then did y'all? Did y'all also tour with them

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah we were them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we we went from where we started. We started

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Speaker 3: And how does it feel, man?

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Speaker 2: Like, can y'all feel that energy coming back? Because I

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Speaker 2: feel like, you know, pandemic obviously, you know you have

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Speaker 2: people trying to be safe and everything. But we lent

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Speaker 2: to like Beyonce concert and they say we outside it's

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Speaker 2: like everybody really is back outside if to some extent

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Speaker 2: it was almost like people was too hight, like like

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Speaker 2: there was getting like three years worth of pent up energy.

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Speaker 6: Out of Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, it seems like there's there's people are hyper

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Speaker 2: Man, music has taken y'all everywhere, man, Like, y'all, Like

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Speaker 2: Now, It's wild how y'all have made like such a

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I won't say it was the edible. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: I hope ain't nobody still want credit card?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is, y'all been making this music

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Speaker 4: You don't you don't want to take this intervention?

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Speaker 5: Do is that?

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Speaker 9: What?

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Speaker 2: Right now? Not right now?

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Speaker 3: I just turned forty five.

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Speaker 2: Let's get it to day. The thing I was going

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Speaker 2: What's it like?

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Speaker 3: How does it feel?

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Speaker 5: See, you just deflicted the whole intervention and gave it

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Speaker 4: I get it, I get it. It's all right, it's

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Speaker 6: What? So?

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Speaker 2: First of all, okay, so let me catch everybody else

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Speaker 2: So he didn't feel the need to enter to interview

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Speaker 3: By black people.

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Speaker 2: Uh, he didn't feel the need to interview any black

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Speaker 2: This is we gotta get them, we gotta talk to

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Speaker 2: when y'all saw this? Like, were y'all together? Were y'all

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Speaker 2: like a part? Like, yeah, y'all heit each other up

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Speaker 2: in the group chat what happened?

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Speaker 4: I had seen this thing on IG and.

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Speaker 5: It's sort of it was, you know, a few folks

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Speaker 5: no people in in this world we're saying anything. It's

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Speaker 5: like I felt like and I called Vernon. It was

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Speaker 5: this thing just to sort of set the record straight

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Speaker 5: first and foremost right that this is this is nothing new, Vernon.

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Speaker 5: Vernon has said this before, but this ain't nothing new.

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Speaker 6: I heard, you know what. I heard people talking about it,

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think Verner's connection is messing up and starting

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Speaker 2: to lose. I need to refresh. Try refreshing, Try try refreshing.

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Speaker 2: If you can see it, see it, yeah, go back

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Speaker 2: down and come back in, go back out and come

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Speaker 5: You know, it's it's and it's not the fact it's

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Speaker 5: you know, okay, yeah, let me do it.

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Speaker 6: Let me do that.

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Speaker 5: It's not the fact that that we had that there

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Speaker 5: whatever his idea of what rock and roll was, it

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Speaker 5: didn't leave any room for somebody like Tina Turner, hell

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Speaker 4: There was no room for them.

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Speaker 5: It was you know, the standard bear for whatever rock

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Speaker 5: you know, And that's that to me, that record needed

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Speaker 5: of which, you know, there's a point at which we feel, at.

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Speaker 4: Least I'll speak for myself personally, because Vernon can't delay

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Speaker 5: Is that it It makes sure that there's an erasure

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Speaker 5: read our thing and all that stuff, and what you

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Speaker 4: Rolling Stone told you, Rod told me, Corey, this.

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Speaker 5: Ain't for you. It told it kept saying that what

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Speaker 5: helped it, your forefathers and foremothers might have invented it,

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Speaker 5: but it doesn't look like you anymore.

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Speaker 4: We refined it.

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Speaker 5: We've turned it into something else that is that on

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Speaker 5: its face is exclusionary.

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Speaker 4: Right, So.

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Speaker 5: Black, we as black folks and and and and women decided,

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Speaker 5: you know what, we'll make something of our own and

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Speaker 5: fuck y'all, you know, tidy y'all.

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Speaker 4: But at the same.

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Speaker 5: Time, when I'm coming up and I heard, you know,

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Speaker 5: That you know, my my brothers and sisters were listening to.

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Speaker 5: When I was like, and I'm absorbing it, It's like

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Speaker 5: I like that. I like I like that, I like

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Speaker 5: the aggression, I like how loud, I like like all

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Speaker 5: that stuff. But when I went out into the world

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Speaker 5: I like these bands and I and I did listen

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Speaker 5: to other bands. I did listen to the Beatles, I

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Speaker 5: you're on that white That is that that they fell

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Speaker 4: I'm fortunately, Yes, we can hear you.

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Speaker 2: I think you're still having a delay, but we can't

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 2: You can also try maybe turning off your camera and

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Speaker 4: Yes, we don't have to see you.

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Speaker 2: That's not what I'm that's not the way I'm in it.

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Speaker 3: But okay, let's say if you don't know how I

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Speaker 3: think Roger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh I can, Yeah, I might be able to

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 6: Yea, after while you learn that's that's uh, say that again.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry you broke up. Bro Wait, I could think

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Speaker 2: of another way to do this. Hold on, you know what.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm gonna fix this ship. Motherfucking podcaster.

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Speaker 5: Somebody, somebody in this camp always fucks it up.

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Speaker 4: It's usually me, but now no, it's just look this.

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Speaker 2: We're used to this. This is what happened. We have

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Speaker 2: We're out here doing things, doing it.

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Speaker 9: Bit.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: I gotta get Vernon's phone number our Adam via Skype

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Speaker 2: and maybe that can I'll tell you that. Can you

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Speaker 2: text me Vernon's phone number, Corey. I appreciate you, brother,

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Speaker 2: and Vernon. I'm gonna I'm gonna call you on the

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Speaker 2: Skype and see if we make that ship work. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: hopefully this works. But yeah, I just thought that was

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Speaker 2: such a all right, cool, I got it about the Adam.

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Speaker 2: Right now, you'll be getting a phone call the second brother.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I get it.

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Speaker 2: I can make nine on one calls. I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: to do that right now? What how did they add

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Speaker 2: a down tone?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: Skype is terrible? The fuck is this?

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Speaker 7: If you would like to continue this call, please drop

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Speaker 7: twenty five cent?

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Speaker 2: It's what not note a minute? The fuck is this?

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Speaker 2: I hope this works?

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Speaker 4: Let's see.

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Speaker 2: Oh you just try to call a number? What the fuck?

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Speaker 3: I put one in front of it?

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Speaker 4: I think?

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Speaker 3: So? You know this sky is like a digital pay phone.

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Speaker 2: The fuck is this already pay? Skype has one job?

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Speaker 2: It's like add some money. You want to actually call

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Speaker 2: a nigga? Like you only have one job.

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Speaker 4: You'll do one thing.

445
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 11: Right, Okay?

446
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 4: All right?

447
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: You there running? Oh shit, can you hear me on

448
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: the phone?

449
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, I can hear you on the.

450
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: Okay, give me one second and remove you from the

451
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: from the from the crowdcast screen, so we won't get

452
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: a double in the audio or anything. Corey, can you

453
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 2: hear Vernon?

454
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: Yes, I can he fuck yeah, let's go. Let's go.

455
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 2: Yay, how you fixed this ship? So all right, now

456
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: we were in the miss professional. Yes, were in the

457
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: midst of So Corey was explaining, like he gave you

458
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: a call when he saw the jan Winter thing. What

459
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: was the call like, was you just pick up and

460
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: it's just like, man, this motherfucker right here or what?

461
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 9: Well, what was funny was that I was already starting

462
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 9: to engage with it on Twitter slash x and because

463
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 9: I've been hearing about it. And then I went and

464
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 9: looked at the New York Times read the New York

465
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 9: Times interview, and it was it's bananas because there's part

466
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 9: of the interview, the first part of the interview they

467
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 9: talked about, well, you let Bono, you let Bono go

468
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 9: over the transcript and fixed stuff in the transcript, and

469
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 9: he and he and he says, well, I did it

470
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 9: to deal with language, some language and clarity, and then

471
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 9: he went on to say that black people couldn't articulate.

472
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 9: I said, well, you gave Bono the opportunity to articulate,

473
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 9: you let him edit. That doesn't happen, you know what

474
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 9: I mean. So so, and then Corey called me, so

475
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 9: I was kind of already in the thing. He said,

476
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 9: we gotta do something. I was like, yeah, you know,

477
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 9: I'd already been exing or tweeting or whatever the hell

478
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 9: it is we do now on that class.

479
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: You know, have you ever met Jane Winner or any

480
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: of that stuff? I know, y'all on the cover of

481
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: Rolling Stone.

482
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 9: At one point I met him, actually met him through

483
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 9: uh Paul Allen, the co found that Microsoft plays guitar,

484
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 9: and I met him.

485
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: Damn Yeah.

486
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 9: So he he this book, an autobiography called Idea Man,

487
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 9: and he invited me to the cocktail party for the

488
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 9: release of the book. And yeah, yeah when it was there,

489
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 9: and it was funny because before Paul Allen introduced me, yeah,

490
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 9: when it was looking at me like aren't you supposed

491
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 9: to be serving me?

492
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 5: Or dures?

493
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: Oh damn damn.

494
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: So you can feel it.

495
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,239
Speaker 9: Coming out like him because it was like maybe me

496
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 9: and two other brothers that were in there, and I

497
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 9: think that they were lawyers, right, so they were for

498
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 9: two people. We were only three black folks up in there,

499
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 9: and it was and then Paul Allen introduced me to

500
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 9: and then it was like but it was like his

501
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 9: vibe was like what you excuse me? What's your role?

502
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 6: Man?

503
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: It's wild, and it's wild to me that he felt

504
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: like he was explaining it in a way that made

505
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: it better, like as I was, It's like every word

506
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: I was reading was like, bro, this everything you're saying

507
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: is making this shit ten times worse. Absolutely, Like you

508
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: would have been better off saying these are my seven friends, like.

509
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 9: Exactly, these are.

510
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 5: My me and my bros.

511
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 9: I mean, people could maybe say something, but no, he

512
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 9: wouldn't be in trouble. I'd be like, oh yeah, you

513
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 9: talking to your people's we get it right. But he

514
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 9: decided when they asked about it, like why no, why no?

515
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 5: Christy Hunes? You know, you know why no? Michelle and

516
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 5: Daego Cella, why no?

517
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 9: Joni Mitchell?

518
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 5: You know why no?

519
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 9: Amy Mann?

520
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 12: You know what I mean?

521
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 9: And he was like old you know, I mean he

522
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 9: was she was really once one separay from them bitches, right, right, man.

523
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: He was like, these females can't out ticket like you see,

524
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: because brothers are we illogical people, you see what I'm saying.

525
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: Women they operate on the motion.

526
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. It was very disheartened to know that

527
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: that person had such a huge role in shaping a

528
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: lot of what you know, the culture is to people

529
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: out side of it, you know, because that's what magazines

530
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: are for us, kind of for people outside to be

531
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: introduced to ship. And here here's this dude, like, I

532
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: don't see black people and women anyway.

533
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you who to listen to this league.

534
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 7: And what's so fucked up is he should have been

535
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 7: lost this job for the fact that now they're gonna

536
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 7: be people who never made the cover, never got in

537
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 7: the Hall of Fame and all this shit, and never

538
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 7: will have the opportunity to. And he may have played

539
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 7: a hand, probably possibly a huge hand in them not

540
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 7: being there because basically, you told us you're racist and

541
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 7: your misogynistic, and you know you you basically told us this.

542
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 7: Some now people are looking at you and looking at

543
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 7: your magazine going, well, there are people you were left off,

544
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 7: and he's the possibility why.

545
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 9: Well, also, ye, it's all of that, but it's also style.

546
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 9: He's very prejudiced against metal, you know, very prejudiced. You

547
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 9: took metal and certain hard rock things and progue it's

548
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 9: not his wheelhouse. He doesn't dig it. So you know

549
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 9: when he had two roles. He's the managing editor, he's

550
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 9: the executive editor of Rolling Stone, but also he's one

551
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 9: of the movies that Shakes that started the rock all

552
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 9: Hall of Fame, so he's gate keeping on two front.

553
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 9: And the other part of it too is that you know,

554
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 9: there are a lot of great writers. You know Greg Kate.

555
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 9: Eventually Greg Kate even wrote for Roland Stone. And we

556
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 9: know David Frick, who is a real ally to us,

557
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 9: wrote for Rolling Stone. And I understand that for them

558
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 9: to get certain things in the magazine, they had to

559
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 9: fight for it, right. That's the thing that happens behind

560
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 9: the scenes in journalism. It's like who gets about you know,

561
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 9: like either writers are either signed a story or they say, hey,

562
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 9: I want to write about this and I want to

563
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 9: write about that. One of the legendary rock writers is

564
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 9: Lester Banks. Like anybody that's in the rock game, those

565
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 9: are Lester bangs with is one of the folks like

566
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 9: Robert Chris Gal who's very well respected in the situation,

567
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 9: and he got fired. And one of the reasons that

568
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 9: he got fired for Rollerstone is he started paling around

569
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 9: with his rich friends. Said, yo man, listen less the

570
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 9: bank said to Gan, he said, yo, man, if you

571
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 9: want to be a friend to them, you would be

572
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 9: honest and you would be you would you would not

573
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 9: take no shorts. I'm paraphrasing, and basically.

574
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 13: You you know what you you you're paleling around with them.

575
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 13: He said, that's not your role. He was like, no,

576
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 13: that's not what we that's not what we do. It's

577
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 13: okay to be friendly, but you can't as a journalist.

578
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 13: You gotta you you kind of gotta go in with

579
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 13: the knife and say what it.

580
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 9: Is, right and uh, and he got fired for that.

581
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 9: So this has been a situation, uh for a long time.

582
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 9: I mean, race and sexism is part of it, but

583
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 9: it's also prejudice against various styles of music too, or different.

584
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 5: Types of rock. Right that they obviously never never really

585
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 5: dealt with hip hop because they claim that they're a

586
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 5: rock magazine.

587
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: So uh, any.

588
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 5: Anything that that didn't fall into the into that narrow

589
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 5: groove of what he thought.

590
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: Was rock and roll.

591
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, just.

592
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 5: Whatever that whatever that thing was, whatever that box was,

593
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 5: if you didn't fit into that box, you be discarded.

594
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: So and they.

595
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 5: Would, Oh, I think I know what's happening.

596
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: Vernon can't hear Corey? Yeah, because Corey is talking right now,

597
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: Vernon must be hearing nothing. Damn hold on.

598
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 4: I think he prefers that.

599
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: You just say, he thinks you prefer that, Vernon. Let

600
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: me let me let me look at the settings on

601
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: Skype or something, see if there's a way to like

602
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: fix that in there. Oh he can hear us though, right, yeah,

603
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: he can hear us.

604
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: He can't hear Corey.

605
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: Also, when we stopped talking, he was like, wait a minute,

606
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: we're sitting here quiet, and it's really.

607
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: Just he was like, am I the cop by myself?

608
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: Let me see I know what I said? Damn oh man,

609
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: see microphone speakers. It's kind of set up the right way.

610
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know why I wouldn't let him

611
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: hear what Corey is saying. Let me, ah, that's another way.

612
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmm. Wonder does I wonder calling through

613
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: Skype on that on the on the on the on

614
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: like Firefox. Give me a second. I'm working on it.

615
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: Give us a second. We're gonna get it together. Corey,

616
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: go ahead, continue your point, Ernon. I know you won't

617
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: be able to hear, but I'll let you know what

618
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: he's done.

619
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: Okay, I almost forgot what I said.

620
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 5: So there was this now place that he that he

621
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 5: thought what he did was what it is rock and roll.

622
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 5: And because it was the standard bear for rock magazines,

623
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 5: for magazines about music, there was Spin and all these

624
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 5: other other magazines sort of followed Shoot that they might

625
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 5: have found their own lane, but that lane was always

626
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 5: in some ways exclusionary of certain people and of certain

627
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 5: of certain kinds of people living color being one of

628
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 5: them in a real way that in fact, you know,

629
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 5: I don't want to, you know, not to shoot my

630
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 5: own horn or our own horn. But we've been eligible

631
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 5: to be a part of the Rock and Roll Hall

632
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 5: of Fame for almost ten years now, and we've never

633
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 5: been and we've never been considered, never even thought about

634
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 5: being considered, which I thought was which I think is.

635
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 5: It's you know, I worked really hard at this. I've

636
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 5: been doing this for almost forty years. I think I

637
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 5: deserve some sort of accolades. You know that there is

638
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 5: that that erasure from certain spaces, and quite honestly, you

639
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 5: know this is a this is a longer and harder discussion,

640
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 5: but from out of black spaces as well, because they

641
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 5: see us as you're doing that white boys ship, right,

642
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 5: and you know, and we're not.

643
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: You know, clearly we're not.

644
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: I had I wonder if to fix it, if if

645
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: I could call both of y'all skype at the same time,

646
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: then y'all can hear each other. Yeah, we can keep

647
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: and we could, Yeah we could.

648
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: I could.

649
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me try that. I'm gonna try

650
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: calling both of y'all on Skype. We can keep Corey

651
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: on screen, and Corey, we can keep you on screen,

652
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: but mute you, I think. Sorry, it's so convoluted, but

653
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: I'll try to use because.

654
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: It's definitely nineteen fifty payfall some key, what's that beef?

655
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: And mama?

656
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 5: Right?

657
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: Vernon, you're still there?

658
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: Right?

659
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 12: I am, okay, cool, cold coch.

660
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: Let me just uh see how to how do I

661
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: just add a person?

662
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 5: Oh?

663
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 2: Ad participants? Okay, all right, cool.

664
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: I'm surprised it's not a rotary that ship.

665
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 2: All right, See, so you should be getting a call

666
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: in the second.

667
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am Hold.

668
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: Is there a thing where you can answer and stay

669
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 2: on the on the crowdcast or do you need to

670
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: hop off?

671
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 4: No? I don't think I need to hop off. I

672
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 4: got your I'm getting.

673
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: Your call on.

674
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, and.

675
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll mute the I'm muting the crowdcast. Then uh,

676
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: we'll talk to him that there.

677
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: Can you hear him Vernon?

678
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 2: Oh, ship, we're gonna get an echo because the sound

679
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: on I think Corey may bee Uh, crowdcast might be

680
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: giving him echo, but Vernon, you there, ship? What happened

681
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: to Vernie? Is what we do? Y'all? Oh my goodness,

682
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what we're gonna do. Is that another

683
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: subjecce we could use? I don't know. It's only showing

684
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: one person in this car? Right, Hold on a second,

685
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: let me see. Oh damn, I don't even know where.

686
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 5: I don't know.

687
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: Let me start this over. We're gonna start this over.

688
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: We're gonna you're gonna start this gonna ut Corey. Uh

689
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: bring him back, yo, Corey, you're still there? The Oh damn,

690
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: Now I can't hear him in crowdcast. A bit. Oh,

691
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: some of a bitch.

692
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: We just we gotta call his son back.

693
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: We gotta get we gotta get burning back in crowdcast.

694
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: We gotta gotta just deal with the delay. I'm sorry.

695
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: I tried to try to FIXU with.

696
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: Old black people. This is this is good comedy.

697
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: Oh man, the best crowd.

698
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: Cast live podcasts, and y'all we do it the life

699
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 3: My god.

700
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, everybody so close.

701
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 7: I wonder if we could take our Skype telephone number

702
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 7: and move it to another service. I don't know, I

703
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 7: don't think so, but uh yeah, we'll we'll, we'll get

704
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 7: Corey back up and running.

705
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: And we were talking about these white folks and racism

706
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: and ship and then and I and the thing is,

707
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: I do want to piggyback on that what he was

708
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: saying about it being seen as like a white thing

709
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: by black people too, which is, you know, like when

710
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: you investigate the history of it, like one of the

711
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: things we haven't done yet on Drake Domaniacs. I don't

712
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: think we've come out with this episode yet, but we

713
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: have an episode about sister Rosetta Thart that's coming out

714
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 2: about how she essentially invented rock and roll. And that's

715
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: a story I've literally never heard in my life, and

716
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: I read about black history shit all the time. So

717
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: I was like, like we were reading. I was like, wait,

718
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: she did what now? I was like, yeah, they didn't

719
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: know what to call it, you know, like she came from, like,

720
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: you know, the church background and all this stuff that

721
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: so many black people come from. So it was just

722
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: like one of those things where you fast forward, you know,

723
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: at this point almost one hundred years, and people go, yeah,

724
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 2: that's a white thing, you know, and black people can't

725
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: explain it. And Corey while, but we can't hear you, dog?

726
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: Can you un mute?

727
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 9: It is?

728
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 5: He muting?

729
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: He's unmuted, but it's just try refreshing. Yeah, okay, he's

730
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: gonna try refreshing. But yeah, you fast forward and it's like, nah,

731
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: this is white art now in a way that you know,

732
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: black people kind of you know, I know, at least

733
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: for me, I became or was led to be hostile

734
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: towards it, especially growing up as a rap kid, as

735
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: a hip hop kid. It was like, oh, we're not

736
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: doing that white shit, were doing hip hop. This is

737
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 2: real black shit. Blah blah blah. Uh he's back, can't

738
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: hear them? Oh, man, What is what is happening? What

739
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: is the world? We were so close? We were so

740
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: close if we flew too close to the flew too

741
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: close to the sun. So corey below your screen like

742
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: your face. That should be like a like some audio controls,

743
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 2: one of them may say settings. If you go in settings, U,

744
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: I should say, like microphone. Maybe it'll allow you to

745
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: choose a different mike. If that's possible. It's down.

746
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 7: It's right beside the chat. You see the chat popping up. Yeah,

747
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 7: my camera wanted like a little screw, like a little screw.

748
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: So I don't know which one is on. But it's

749
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: possible that if you try, like choosing a different mic

750
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: and then refreshing, it might come back. It might pick

751
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: It's like it might be because it was working. Oh

752
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: I can't hear them. I'm sorry, brother, the mic man

753
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: is silenced to these brothers again. Okay, first the Rock

754
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: and Roll Hall of Fame and now the Blackout Tiss podcast.

755
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: What is happening? Okay? I didn't want to do the

756
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: white Man's work today, but is it? Brothers?

757
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 3: Ain't got no voice?

758
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 7: Kangaroo the roof came out of gun and kangaroos like

759
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 7: y'all talk shit about us, open our strata.

760
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: We'll show you. We'll cut your MIC's off.

761
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: Big Kangaroos strikes again, Big Root, Oh man, it's terrible.

762
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: Ganger was like, I bet you'll try me next time.

763
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: Chat rooms having time of their life.

764
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: They're having a good time.

765
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: Ain't watching this lowkey? This is kind of like what

766
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: it's like hanging out in person with them, Like it's

767
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: very chaotic and fun. It's a lot of fun. But

768
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: and then I don't see Vernon back in the chat yet.

769
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: I think we completely lost him. I don't know. Maybe

770
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: I could try send him the link again or something.

771
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, uh, but but yeah, it's just I

772
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: do remember having that hostility towards like rock and roll

773
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: because and it felt to me like this is part

774
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: of being black, is not fucking with this ship, you know,

775
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: or or saying this is white people ship. We not

776
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: on that, you know, and missing out on lots of

777
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: good music and good art in the in the process,

778
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: and to think that at some point the people that

779
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 2: had a hand in that are at the top picking

780
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 2: these winners and losers, you know, I know, I see

781
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: them back, don't hear them now? We can't hear you. Uh,

782
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: where the hell Vernon over Corey's house? Oh man? Because

783
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: I don't know why it was working to make it

784
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: not work, like all I did was just mute the

785
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: mic and then it just was like fuck that ship?

786
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: Me think. I mean, I could call them back. I

787
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 2: could call you back on Skype. I just don't know

788
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: how to get you and Vernon on the phone at

789
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: the same time. And I also don't know how to

790
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: keep this ship from chiming in like trying to make

791
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 2: these chime sounds. All right, let me just call them.

792
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: Do do do? Do do do?

793
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 7: Please insert a quarter for the next two minutes. The

794
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 7: fuck is this Skype?

795
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to call him on this. Let me

796
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: see how do I do this? That's weird. When I

797
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: click on this, it's like you can block the number,

798
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: you can invite it to Skype. I'm like, nigga, I

799
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: just want to make a phone call. So I said,

800
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: let's go to zoom. Listen if I had, if I

801
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: knew how to work Zoom, I do it. Guys. That's

802
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: how bad this one is. All right, here we go.

803
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call I think I'm calling uh Corey first,

804
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: see if we can get that to work, all right, cool?

805
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 6: Cool?

806
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 12: Here we go, all right, calling Corey, how's that?

807
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: All right?

808
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: We hear you. Now I'm trying to add I'm gonna

809
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: try to add Vernon, and we just gonna see what happens,

810
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: because I have no idea if this will work, and

811
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: I would need you to turn your volume around on

812
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: your computer so we won't get an echo.

813
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: He all right, all right, I got both of y'all.

814
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 9: All on.

815
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: I believe. So Corey, can you.

816
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 9: Talk to him?

817
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?

818
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 9: Did you hear me?

819
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 5: Vernie? Oh?

820
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 9: Loud and clear? That's the dose of tones.

821
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 4: Oh mm hmmm.

822
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 9: For many a day. It's a comfort to me.

823
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: Okay. So where we were at, Corey, you were telling

824
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: us how even in like certain black spaces, it could

825
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: be complicated because white people have made people feel like

826
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: this is not black art anymore. So now if you're

827
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: doing rock, it's some white people shit. Even though Rosetta

828
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 2: started this ship, black people are foundational to it.

829
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: It would not be no rock and roll with our

830
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: black folks.

831
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: But because of people like jam Winner and that, and

832
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: that influence is kind of like alienated y'all on both sides, sometimes.

833
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I think that we have.

834
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 4: Tried.

835
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 5: And if I don't think that the the understanding of

836
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 5: who and what we are and where we're coming from,

837
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 5: that we're coming from a very black and very African

838
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 5: American space. You know, we take influences from the diaspora,

839
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 5: We take African influences, we take Caribbean influencers, we take

840
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 5: pieces of jazz, we take pieces of folks and and

841
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 5: and you know rock and roll. You know that our

842
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 5: influences are there in the music, and those influences are

843
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 5: considerably black. And and if they understood that, and I mean,

844
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 5: this is in this side and this story makes little

845
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 5: to no sense. And it's I was we were playing

846
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 5: somewhere and someone was telling me, yeah, I you should

847
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 5: listen to back in the day when I was a

848
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 5: little girl. I think, y'ards great you are you are

849
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 5: you are our white boy. You're a white boy.

850
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 11: What you know what I mean?

851
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 5: You would have you would have won playing the stuff

852
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 5: that nobody else was playing, and blah blah blah blah,

853
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 5: like no, no, no, no, no, I'm still from Brooklyn. You know,

854
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 5: you know I'm still keeping you know you can you

855
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 5: see me?

856
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 9: Are you blind? And can you can you look at.

857
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 5: My face and see.

858
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, you know what it is is that we

859
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 9: there's a whole infrastructure to have us alienated from each

860
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 9: other and ourselves. Understand that, you know, white supremacy the

861
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 9: whole idea. People think that white supremacy is about leaving

862
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 9: black people law, No, it's not. You think segregation is

863
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 9: about leaving black people alone. It's not about leaving black

864
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 9: people alone. Like one of the main things, one of

865
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 9: the main things is who do you think you are?

866
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 9: That's that's an essential component of white supremacy. That's an

867
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 9: essential component, you know, of the divide and conquered situation

868
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 9: that's been in effect the whole time. So of course

869
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 9: black people being alienated from each other, despising one another.

870
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 9: Nobody despises black people as much as other black people,

871
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 9: right right, you know what I mean?

872
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 14: I mean it's part and part yeah, yeah, I mean,

873
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 14: there was a there's a there's a point at which

874
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 14: some mean teld me that that if you're not entertaining

875
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 14: white people, you're a problem to them.

876
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 5: If you're not giving them making them feel better about themselves,

877
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 5: you're a problem to them. That's why, you know, black

878
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 5: politicians are a problem because to a certain of people.

879
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 5: But if you play basketball, right, or even if you

880
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 5: are you know, Beyonce, don't come at me. Don't don't

881
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm just making decides. I'm not gonna.

882
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 9: I'm worn yet. You ain't worn yet, right, Okay.

883
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: We're coming, We're coming.

884
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 9: You don't have to finish the city then, I know, like.

885
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: Guys, we lost Corey, we lost Coreying. Ouche of the

886
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: nice of them to come by out what is this?

887
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: But there is like a there's something to this idea

888
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: of like there's certain lanes that black people are allowed

889
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: to be in, and even in those lanes, isn't you

890
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: speak up until you do some black ship? Because I

891
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: still remember the backlash Beyonce got when she came to

892
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and them black panther berets and ship,

893
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: and they was calling her a terrorists and it was like, yes,

894
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: they did. All she did was let y'all know that

895
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: she is also black, Like y'all have no problem with

896
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: her telling you she a woman. For the last fifteen

897
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 2: years with all the girl anthems and ship, y'all was cool.

898
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: The second she showed up at the Super Bowl, like,

899
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 2: oh god, by the way, I'm black and I love

900
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: black people. That was like, Oh, this bitch gotta go.

901
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: She's out of her fucking mind, right.

902
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 5: But the same thing when she did a thing with

903
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 5: the dish, the yeah, yeah, you know so. I love Beyonce,

904
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 5: please please please, I love Beyonce.

905
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: You you're good. But but but this is me as

906
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: somebody who really loves Beyonce.

907
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you this.

908
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 7: She makes them mad, but I really want her to

909
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 7: make them really upset. I want her to come out

910
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 7: with too, And I don't know what she will ever

911
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 7: do is come up with two albums. Come out with

912
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 7: one album there's nothing but motherfucking country, and come out

913
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 7: with another album there's nothing but motherfucking rock from top

914
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 7: to bottom. And the reason why I say that is

915
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 7: because as much as nigroes talk about damn right, no

916
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 7: goddamn country music, you let Beyonce come out with a

917
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 7: motherfucking country.

918
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: Song, Your white girl's gonna be mad with them.

919
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 7: Niggas come in there with them boots on trying to

920
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 7: goddamn electric slide while they fucking two stepping. They gonna

921
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 7: be mad when they come in there with them. Goddamn

922
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 7: cowboy hats. They gonna hit a button in that bitch

923
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 7: is gonna blink, and that bitch is gonna say you

924
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 7: nick across the top and they gonna be like, and

925
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 7: come out back and let's go.

926
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 3: I can't motherfucking wait.

927
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 7: They gonna do the Country Music Awards, and it's gonna

928
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 7: be so many niggas up in there. They gonna paying

929
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 7: across the screen. They ain't gonna know what's happening. They

930
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 7: gonna be doing the airways. They gonna be like, uh, yes,

931
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 7: next Colin, I want you to play that. Beyonce, Uh

932
00:50:59,400 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 7: who is this?

933
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 5: You know why?

934
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: They gonna be and then they gonna just hang up

935
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: the phone.

936
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 7: I can't wait for the niggas to be showing up

937
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 7: fucking everywhere. I can't wait for her to do a

938
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 7: rock album and have y'all on it and have other

939
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 7: people on the child be out there.

940
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 3: Squilling and screaming. Child, niggas will will will be.

941
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 7: We be dressing all black, child, they gonna sell all

942
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 7: that much, all the black lipstick, all over the black

943
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 7: fish nets.

944
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: Bitch.

945
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 7: I want her to come out with them too much.

946
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 7: You think they're mad now, Beyonce, that is my disease,

947
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 7: and I want you to go on motherfucking tour with

948
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 7: it too, like like you did Renaissance.

949
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 3: Go on tour with it, bitch, let's go. I'm I'm up.

950
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 3: If you were gonna make them mad, make them mad, well.

951
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 9: You know what it is, right, you know, you know

952
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 9: a negro.

953
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 15: Loves the cowboy hat. Come on, I mean the gap bite.

954
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 15: That's that's you know, that's straight up and down and shut.

955
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 15: And believe this whole situation with Tracy Chapman and with

956
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 15: Fast Car, you know that's close to their heart.

957
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 9: Right because because you know this, this kind of white

958
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 9: guy came up. He has a hit with Tracy Chapman's tune,

959
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 9: and everybody was in an uproar about it.

960
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 7: You know, I can't wait, child, She goes, she was

961
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 7: putting everybody on the map. She's gonna be introducing negroes,

962
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 7: all types of black folks, been doing this shit for years.

963
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 7: They're gonna be like, all of a sudden, the top

964
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 7: twenty five country songs.

965
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 3: Ain't nothing but negroes. What happened here?

966
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 7: The top five little people ain't nothing but black folks.

967
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: We don't know what.

968
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 9: You know, Charlie Pride Charlie Pride was at the top

969
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 9: of the country game for many, many years before he passed.

970
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 9: You know what I mean?

971
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 5: And you know it's just funny, man.

972
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 9: I met Charlie. I met Charlie Pride one time, and

973
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 9: my post is a huge Charlie Pride saying, right. And

974
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 9: I said to mister Price said, you know, my father

975
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 9: is a huge My father is a huge Charlie Pride saying

976
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 9: he's a huge fan of he was, and he looked

977
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 9: at me, said, but what about his son?

978
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: M bars now Vernon. I mean, I was like, Corey,

979
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: you were going somewhere with the beyond. Now I think

980
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: Karen totally derailed. I didn't mean yeah, I didn't mean

981
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 2: the word beyond.

982
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 9: Remember remember the Bay House he got activated?

983
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, she got activated.

984
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: Just a word?

985
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: What were you gonna say?

986
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 15: I'm so sorry, y'all, you couldn't help yourself the program

987
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 15: he just kicked in I did.

988
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 5: I just think, you know, there there are certain people

989
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 5: within within black spaces that white folks can tolerate, and

990
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 5: they happened to entertain us. They don't educate you. They

991
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 5: don't think Corner West's job as he might be. They

992
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 5: don't think that he's they think he's some sort of radical.

993
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 5: Anybody talks about anything outside of the regular sort of

994
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to live my life.

995
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 9: That uh.

996
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 5: Is considered it's something that they have to push it aside.

997
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 5: If you play basketball, you you're Beyonce. Who's Who's who's

998
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 5: promoting some sort of you know, uh, empowerment through through what.

999
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 6: She does.

1000
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 5: Is okay to a level, like you said, you know,

1001
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 5: until she decides, oh, by the way, I happen to

1002
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 5: be black, Yes, oh by the way, Oh by the way.

1003
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 5: You know this is I don't just do party anthems.

1004
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 5: I do things that make people think as well. Then

1005
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 5: it becomes a.

1006
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 9: Problem, you know.

1007
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 5: And I think when.

1008
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 9: People look at us, they hear.

1009
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 5: The song, they hear culture, personality, and they think, oh,

1010
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 5: you weren't trying to talk about yourself. You're talking about

1011
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 5: the world around you I'm talking about But what what

1012
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 5: we were doing was talking about our place within that,

1013
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 5: within that sphere, and how we got caught up in

1014
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 5: it as black people, not as not as just people.

1015
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 9: Because there's a distinction.

1016
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 5: The distinction of my world is different from yours, even

1017
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 5: if we live in the same town, even if we

1018
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 5: live next door to each other. It's a different there's

1019
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 5: a different distinction, you know, comedian talking about you know,

1020
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 5: their white friend who does whatever the help they want

1021
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 5: to whenever they want to. It's true, you know, you

1022
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 5: can laugh at that, but the reality of that is

1023
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 5: me doing it is a danger yep to myself people around.

1024
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: Me, and there's a cost to it, you know. Like

1025
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: that's the thing. Even when you think about an act

1026
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: as big as a Beyonce, an act of NBA player,

1027
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: as big as Lebron James or Steph Curry, there's like

1028
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: a cast for them that they never get back when

1029
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: they make that first like foray Into Like hey man,

1030
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: you know, as a black person, you know, it really

1031
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: bothered me that Trayvon Martin got shot and it's like, oh,

1032
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: he'll never be on the track, on the.

1033
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 3: Jordan track that he was on.

1034
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 2: It's like, you're gonna take ten percent off of that

1035
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: because ten percent of people ain't never coming back. You know,

1036
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick still ain't got a job because he said

1037
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: that shit, Like, there's a cost to the people and

1038
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,959
Speaker 2: only What's interesting to me is it's almost like only

1039
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 2: the most talented people or the people that are comfortable

1040
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: are the ones that can make it through that shit. Like,

1041
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: if you're comfortable being like, well fuck it, then I

1042
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: ain't gotta be Michael Jordan.

1043
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 3: It just is what it is. I'm gonna keep saying

1044
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: the truth. You can make it.

1045
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: But if you like, unless you're like the top one

1046
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: percent of the talented, they'll get your ass up out

1047
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: of there real fast. And also the thing about Michael

1048
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 2: Jordan is the older Michael Jordan gat particularly after he

1049
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: got out you know, the league, and particularly coming to Charlotte,

1050
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: he has invested billions into this city. Like, like, I mean,

1051
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: he's more of an activist now than he was when

1052
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: he was playing. But I honestly think, not to get

1053
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: too controversial to the Jordan lovers out there, I think

1054
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: he owes that shit to like Lebron James and the

1055
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: people that came after him, because they showed him that

1056
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: hey man, you can say what you mean and you

1057
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 2: can stand up for your people and they ain't gonna

1058
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: be able to do shit to you anyway, And you're

1059
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 2: bigger than us, so like it's a little bit shaming

1060
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: to be like, look at Dwayne Wade put on this

1061
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: hoodie and I'm Michael fucking Jordan, and I'm and I'm like,

1062
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: Republicans be buying these Jordans too, like he so he

1063
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: kind of uh, I think they kind of led him

1064
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: to his activism in that way. The thing I wanted

1065
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: to ask y'all also though, because y'all would know the

1066
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: inner working is better than I would. I always think

1067
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 2: when you see someone get in trouble and then get

1068
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: ousted very quickly, that normally means they did not have

1069
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,479
Speaker 2: the power they used to have. So while white people

1070
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: are like celebrating that, like case closed fixed it, Jan

1071
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: Winner off of the he's off of the Rock and

1072
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: Roll Hall of Fame Committee, there's nothing else to talk

1073
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: about here. I always look at that like that means

1074
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: he wasn't the decision maker he used to be. He

1075
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: wasn't ruling y'all. So y'all got his ass up out

1076
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: of there. But what's gonna really change? So are y'all

1077
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: anticipating that change? Do y'all think he just didn't have

1078
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: the power to stop anything?

1079
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 5: Well?

1080
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 9: Is this was? This was kind of uh yeah, and

1081
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 9: Winners he was already.

1082
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 5: Kind of commencing his victory.

1083
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 9: Laugh, right, He hadn't been active in Rolling Stone for

1084
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 9: actually a while, right right, and and this was his

1085
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 9: this was gonna be his magnum opus to to really,

1086
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 9: these are the interviews that he conducted with people that

1087
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 9: he was really close to, and he decided to have

1088
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 9: this thing named the Masters. And once he did that,

1089
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 9: you know, he took something subjective and they tried to

1090
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 9: make an objective claim. Then people were able to question, oh, so,

1091
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 9: why aren't there any women or blacks in it? And

1092
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 9: then he stuck his foot in his mouth. But he

1093
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 9: was already kind of stepping out, you know what I mean.

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00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 9: He was going to go on the super yacht and

1095
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 9: just chill and basically, and he still wanted to keep

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Speaker 9: a hand. And I think, you know, him being out

1097
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 9: of the Rock Roll Hall of Fame is a thing,

1098
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 9: but the brons don't think he's been already kind of

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Speaker 9: out of daily operations for a while. So this time, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 9: So that's yeah, but right, exactly, this is not the

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00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 9: end Winner of the nineteen eighties. This is not the

1102
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Speaker 9: end Winner of the nineties or the seventies. When he

1103
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 9: was up, you know, where he was really determined what

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Speaker 9: was on the cover of what was not on the cup,

1105
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 9: what he was comfortable his writers writing about and you

1106
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Speaker 9: know what it was and what it was and what

1107
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Speaker 9: it was going to do. He was out of that

1108
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Speaker 9: sphere of influencing. You know what a funny thing is.

1109
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 9: I had my second generation iPad when I met a

1110
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Speaker 9: Yain Winner, right, So he looked at me with my

1111
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Speaker 9: iPads and he said, you guys, you tech you you

1112
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Speaker 9: you nerds with your iPads. This is before there was

1113
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Speaker 9: a rolling Stone online. And I was like, it was

1114
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Speaker 9: kind of like a weird moment. And I was like, oh.

1115
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Speaker 16: You don't know what's coming, Like you don't. Yeah, he

1116
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 16: had this weird moment where he reacted to the tech

1117
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 16: and he wasn't you know. It was kind of like, no, man,

1118
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Speaker 16: you know, we like prince journalists.

1119
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Speaker 9: He was kind of like in a Princeville matters And

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Speaker 9: it was like, wow, you reacted, number one. You thought

1121
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Speaker 9: I was serving you candibase first. Now you're attacking my tech.

1122
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 9: So it was a complete experience for me.

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Speaker 2: And it's also interesting go ahead, no, no, you go, you go.

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Speaker 5: It's speaking that, you know. They There was an article

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Speaker 5: in the Times again about his ulster out of the

1126
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Speaker 5: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and it took twenty minutes.

1127
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 5: Twenty minutes they brought up the articles, and twenty minutes

1128
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Speaker 5: later he was he was out. Whoa I mean? And

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Speaker 5: there was and there was two people who voted to

1130
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Speaker 5: keep him, John went Winner and John Landau, who's Bruce

1131
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 5: Springsteen's manager. There's only two people who voted to keep

1132
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Speaker 5: him in. It was almost it was almost completely unanimous.

1133
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 5: And John Lando's sort of supposition was, I was doing

1134
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 5: that just to acknowledge how much he's done for the

1135
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Speaker 5: culture and how much he's done for the rock, for

1136
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 5: rock and roll in general. It's like, so I hearing

1137
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Speaker 5: that I didn't decided to write something and say that's

1138
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 5: all well and good, But what you're gonna do about it?

1139
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Speaker 9: Right?

1140
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 5: Well, how are you going to you talk? You talk

1141
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 5: about this diversity and inclusion and all this other bullshit,

1142
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 5: but you ain't do that doesn't mean anything. That means

1143
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 5: nothing until you till you do something about it. And

1144
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 5: how many people of color, how many women do you

1145
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 5: have working in the infrastructure of the Rock and Roll

1146
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame that knows about a living color, that

1147
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 5: knows about it, George Clinton, that knows about a sister

1148
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 5: Rosetta thought that knows that that these people, who these

1149
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 5: people are, and acknowledges their you know, contributions to the music.

1150
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 5: That that that, for I don't know how long, as

1151
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 5: long as I can remember, has been gate kept by

1152
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 5: somebody who doesn't who doesn't reflect me, who doesn't respond to.

1153
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Speaker 2: Me, and even worse, doesn't look so down on black

1154
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: people and women that you're like, they can't articulate what

1155
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: it is they do the thing you innovate, you know.

1156
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 2: And I think it's even more imposed when you think

1157
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: about how rock and roll Hall of Fame has essentially

1158
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: become music Hall of Fame, Like it's not it's not

1159
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 2: like so now you're not just talking about rock and

1160
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: roll or just you know, as Vernon put it earlier,

1161
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: you know, even the narrow view of what he would

1162
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 2: consider like is rock and roll, You're now talking about

1163
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 2: hip hop.

1164
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Speaker 3: Because Missy Elliott just got in there. Jay Z has

1165
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 3: been like it. But it makes you wonder, like, how

1166
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 3: what what is that really? When you let him in?

1167
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 2: At that point, if you if if part of your

1168
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: thinking is I don't respect these people, what do you then?

1169
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 3: What do you do?

1170
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 9: You?

1171
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 2: I don't It's hard for me to believe you respect

1172
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: Missy as much as it's just like, man, we gotta

1173
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: let some niggas in.

1174
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 9: They getting mad online.

1175
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Speaker 5: I think that was that was what happened with us

1176
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 5: when we got on the cover Rolling Stone. It was undeniable.

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Speaker 5: You know, you had to you had to acknowledge it

1178
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 5: in some way. And and you know who else of

1179
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 5: our ilk was then on the put on the cover

1180
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 5: of Rolling Stone? Not many, right, I mean it's.

1181
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 9: At the point of which we're put on the cover,

1182
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 9: I mean it had been all it had been a

1183
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 9: long time since anything like what we were doing. I mean,

1184
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Speaker 9: you know, because you know, at the beginning, hen just

1185
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 9: got a lot of coverage, sliding the Family Stone got

1186
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 9: a lot of coverage. Muhammad Ali had been on the cover,

1187
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 9: you know that. But but at the point which we

1188
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 9: got put on the cover, it had been a grip

1189
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 9: before anything like us had been on the cover.

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Speaker 2: And like, first of all, how'd y'all feel when y'all

1191
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: got that like that invite? Was it like a all right, coude?

1192
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 2: They recognized it? Like was the experience good like for y'all?

1193
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: Or was it like a I don't know, man, these

1194
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: motherfuckers still kinds.

1195
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Speaker 9: Two things no, you know, I was a Rolling Stone

1196
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Speaker 9: reader and it was it was great.

1197
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Speaker 5: It was great.

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Speaker 9: And the session it was horrible, like the session that

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Speaker 9: photo session.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, you know it was it was it was deep,

1201
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 17: it was uh, they didn't the sign of it was

1202
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 17: a white male photographer and he had this one particular

1203
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 17: setup and he was stuck on it.

1204
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 9: With us holding the uh, holding the gels in front

1205
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 9: of our faces. And it was like while we're holding

1206
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Speaker 9: the jails in front of our faces, and it was

1207
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Speaker 9: a come on, just try and was it started to

1208
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 9: get like a little bit whiny and and I was

1209
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 9: like this, you know, I was really looking forward to.

1210
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Speaker 9: I mean, it's a it's a real milestone to be

1211
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Speaker 9: on the cover of Rolling Stone. I mean Doctor Hook

1212
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,919
Speaker 9: and the Medicine Show they had a tune about being

1213
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Speaker 9: on the Rolling Stone, you know, on the cover of

1214
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 9: the Rolling Stone. So it was like a thing. And

1215
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Speaker 9: then the session was just.

1216
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Speaker 7: And this is very, very and this is why photographers matter,

1217
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 7: and that's why speaking to Beyonce again, she went on

1218
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 7: the cup she was like, I'm picking my own photography

1219
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 7: and I'm picking this young black man and everybody was

1220
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 7: like the fuck and she was like, no, I don't

1221
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 7: want anybody I want to fight with y'all.

1222
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to fuss with y'all.

1223
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 7: I want somebody to actually see the vision too and

1224
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Speaker 7: be in this with me.

1225
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's first of all, we're looking

1226
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 2: at the cover in the in the uh crowdcast. Look

1227
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 2: at these babies.

1228
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 3: Ain't that we got the box?

1229
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: Come on, precious little children, it's my do.

1230
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Speaker 5: But looks on our faces like this is some bullshit.

1231
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to say, y'all, like that's the ninetieth picture,

1232
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: Like y'all look like okay, this is what I got left? Okay, right,

1233
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it's interesting because like Verner brought

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01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: this up earlier, and you know, being part of a

1235
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: collective group of somebody like creative people, it is about

1236
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 2: the fight though, so like I don't want to integrate

1237
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: the people inside Rolling Stone that fought for y'all, that

1238
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: fought for these other folks, because I'm sure that shit sucks,

1239
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 2: you know what. I like when you got to all

1240
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 2: of us have had a racist boss at some point

1241
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 2: or just a motherfucker that dedn't And I know it

1242
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 2: like the little bit of stuff that does get in

1243
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 2: rolling Stone, someone fought tooth and fucking nail to be like,

1244
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 2: y'all don't understand these brothers are real. We gotta get

1245
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 2: them in there.

1246
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 3: They matter. Yeah, So like I'm like.

1247
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Speaker 9: I'm.

1248
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Speaker 5: Trick.

1249
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 9: I gotta get He wrote about the Black Rock Coalition.

1250
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 9: He wrote about the band, and I got to give

1251
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 9: him a shout out, you know, an additional one, because

1252
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 9: he really was a true ally back in the days,

1253
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 9: you know, and still it.

1254
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 6: So yeah, so what would.

1255
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 2: Y'all like to see change man going for here? Like

1256
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: it's not up y'all responsibility. And if y'all don't feel

1257
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: like like y'all like fuck it, they gotta do that,

1258
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: that's cool too. But like, is there like a thing

1259
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 2: that you would like to see like come out of

1260
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 2: this ship it? Because right now I feel like white

1261
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 2: people do this thing where like a motherfucker lose a

1262
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: job and they act like it's the job is over.

1263
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 9: You know.

1264
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: It's like the NBA got rid of that like racist

1265
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: owner for the Clippers, and it's like, Okay, that's cool,

1266
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 2: that's not but that's not it, you know, like that's

1267
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 2: not the whole thing, right.

1268
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 5: It's not even close. And that's what I was trying

1269
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 5: to say in that next that next post I sent out,

1270
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 5: it was like, Yeah, it's great. John's gone.

1271
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 9: That's that's great.

1272
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 5: Now what are you gonna do? What are you gonna

1273
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 5: do next? How are you going to rectify the almost

1274
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 5: fifty years of damage that he's done too? You know,

1275
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 5: people like us, people like you know, there's a baby

1276
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 5: band out in New York called oxy Morons. What's gonna

1277
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 5: happen to them? Who's going to acknowledge cister Ro's a

1278
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 5: a thark? Who's going to acknowledge into the bad Brains?

1279
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 5: Or or teen Turner? Or who's gonna who's gonna talk

1280
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 5: about that genius? Who's going to make it know that

1281
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 5: they had that, particularly people of color, know that there's

1282
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 5: a place for them in this in this so called

1283
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 5: rock and roll Hall of fame. That if you're gonna

1284
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 5: include everybody in the rock and roll Hall of Fame,

1285
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 5: make me feel included, right, yes, you know, and not

1286
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 5: sort of like an aside that you have to deal

1287
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 5: with at some point because you know, some people are

1288
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 5: talking about it. Somebody's talking about it.

1289
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, out of some form of obligation. And I know,

1290
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 7: me and Rogers's kind of hard about this before, but

1291
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 7: I was kind of bought up in that genre where

1292
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 7: smilar to Roger when it came to heavy metal on

1293
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 7: the rock and roll, I really thought that was in

1294
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 7: white people shit country, same thing because a lot of it,

1295
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 7: they don't teach it, nobody knows it, nobody, so it's

1296
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 7: nobody to really be like, hey, but like this unless

1297
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 7: you got them parents that are like, hey, I'm gonna

1298
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 7: sit your ass down to show you this ship because

1299
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 7: your parents is in it. For most children, they're not

1300
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 7: gonna go back and dig into history unless somebody sits

1301
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 7: them down because that's.

1302
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: Just your man. I still have a certain level of

1303
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 2: shame about the ship because my dad actually introduced me

1304
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 2: to so much fucking rock and roll and shit, and

1305
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 2: I was just like, no, Dad, that's the white man. Okay,

1306
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be over here listening to hip hop. Okay,

1307
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 2: you're not gonna And then you grow. I got older

1308
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 2: and shout out to Spotify and some of these music

1309
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: guys because I know as much as they be like

1310
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 2: fucking the artists over for the road, like the money wise,

1311
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: they don't always make a lot of money.

1312
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 9: It's what does a quarter look like?

1313
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: Exactly. I've never seen one. I've never seen one. You

1314
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 2: gotta put a penny on the railroad track to find

1315
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 2: that shit, and and it's bullshit. But at the same time,

1316
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 2: it also put people's musical catalogs at my fingertips, so

1317
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 2: like to a certain extent, it's like it was, it

1318
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 2: became more accessible and I'm like, oh shit, like like

1319
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 2: oh this out here the whole I would like call

1320
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 2: my dad, like my bad man. I know you tried

1321
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: to put me on the earth whining fire. I was

1322
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 2: tripping out. I just thought it was cleaning the house music.

1323
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 2: I didn't Yes, yes.

1324
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 7: I would get angry me and anger was associated to

1325
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 7: that cause I wanted to sleep.

1326
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: Every time I go on a flight, I listen to

1327
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 2: like Stilly Dan's albums. Uh and I dad used to

1328
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: play that shit constantly, and I used to be like

1329
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 2: turn that shit all, like in my mind. I didn't

1330
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: say it out loud, because you know, my parents still

1331
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 2: did whoopings, but I definitely was like, you know, in

1332
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 2: my brain, like turn it off. And now, like I said,

1333
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 2: there's a certain level of I don't know. I feel

1334
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 2: like it's a debt that's owed to black people that

1335
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: started rock that continue the legacy of rock, and I

1336
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 2: want to know if that debt is going to be paid.

1337
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't really like this dude is one dude, right,

1338
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: it's even as powerful as he was or is or whatever.

1339
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,480
Speaker 2: He was one motherfucker. They don't explain all the motherfuckers

1340
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 2: that follow suit, you know what I mean, He's not

1341
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 2: he's not alone his thing. He's just the one that

1342
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: admitted it. And the other thing too, is that the

1343
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 2: big the bigotry of like friendship is something that we

1344
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 2: like people often excuse because it's like, well, that's your

1345
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: friend group. Yeah, But when you're the most powerful motherfucking

1346
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 2: rock and roll and your friends just having it all

1347
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 2: look like you, talk like you, be like you, and

1348
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 2: you get to be the one to decide who's a legend. Yeah, motherfucker,

1349
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 2: you're obligated to not just be friends.

1350
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 9: You know.

1351
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 2: It can't just be my buddies anymore, because I feel

1352
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 2: like that's that platform is too big, you know what

1353
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 2: I mean, It's.

1354
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 9: A power dynamic. Yeah, that's what exactly. A lot of

1355
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 9: the pushback on the situation as well, he was in

1356
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 9: tied to his opinion. Isn't understanding you gotta put it

1357
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 9: in context of who that cat is. Yes, yes, you

1358
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 9: can't just move in context and said, oh, he's just

1359
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 9: a dude with an opinion. Yeah he is that, but

1360
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 9: he's also more than that. And you have to ignore

1361
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 9: always that that's a fact.

1362
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 2: And that ship only worked for white people anyway, because like,

1363
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 2: if Barack Obama was president and all the motherfucking cabinet

1364
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 2: people was his family man, they would have him out

1365
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: of there in three minutes. But Trump did that.

1366
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 3: Trump literally did that ship, and they was like family

1367
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 3: got paid. What's he supposed to do? I mean, that's

1368
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 3: just that's his daughter, Like, bitch, you're not qualified for

1369
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 3: the goddamn job.

1370
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 2: The fuck is dead, right, And so I feel like

1371
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 2: that ship don't even work for us in the first place.

1372
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 3: So you can't trick me with that one.

1373
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 4: No, not at all.

1374
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's that's just like you like uri should

1375
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 5: to somebody else a while back, it's like, it's what's

1376
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 5: that what's the who song? Is the new boss same

1377
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 5: as as the old boss?

1378
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, you know, right to meet the new boys,

1379
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 9: same as the old boss, right that? You know. The

1380
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 9: thing The thing about it, it makes me think we

1381
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 9: think about Hendricks. There's a clip that you could see

1382
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 9: of Jimmy Hendrix on The Dick Cabot Show, and it's

1383
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 9: real deep because Dick Cabot is doing that. I went

1384
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 9: to Harvard and I'm always the smartest guy in the room.

1385
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 9: That was the thing about his interviews. He would get

1386
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 9: his guests on and then he would play mental games

1387
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 9: with them.

1388
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 5: Right.

1389
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 9: So Jimmy Henss is going there and I know the

1390
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 9: first time I saw him on TV, He's wearing this

1391
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 9: blue kimono. He sits in and you know, he sits

1392
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 9: down and the first thing Dick says, well, I heard

1393
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 9: you say, I heard you. I hear you're the greatest

1394
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 9: guitar player in the world. And they said, well, I'm

1395
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 9: the greatest guitar player.

1396
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 11: In this chair.

1397
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, he wasn't going for it.

1398
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,560
Speaker 5: He wasn't He wasn't going for it.

1399
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 9: And part of the thing that I that that is

1400
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 9: offensive to me is that you're not going to acknowledge

1401
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 9: the kind of abstract thinking of a Willie Dixon or

1402
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 9: a Howland Wolf that will come up with a spoon

1403
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 9: for you know what I mean, or will come up

1404
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 9: with you know. I asked her for water and she

1405
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 9: gave me gasoline. The kind of of the kind of

1406
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 9: mind that will come up with these things. Yes, you're

1407
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 9: gonna turn around to say, well, you don't know what

1408
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 9: you're doing. And he said, too many. You don't know

1409
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 9: he's doing it though, what you're talking about.

1410
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 2: And it's not an attempt to understand, Like that's the

1411
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: because like I can forgive somebody for not knowing some shit.

1412
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 2: We all don't know some shit. There's always a motherfucker

1413
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 2: I know more than you and they start talking and

1414
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 2: you be like, damn this motherfucker no more.

1415
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 3: He wanted me you would think that the like the humorists.

1416
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like there would be a

1417
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 2: party that goes Actually, there's millions of people in the world.

1418
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 2: Fuck with this. I need to find out. Why isn't

1419
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: the intellectual curiosity part of the gig? Aren't you old?

1420
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 2: Like aren't isn't your audience old? That you know what

1421
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 2: I mean? Like you have the resources.

1422
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 5: When he was talking about Stevie Wonder, Bruh, Stevie Wonder,

1423
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 5: Steve who's been doing this since the age of can

1424
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 5: Bro and innovated each and every time he put out

1425
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 5: a record, each and every time he opened up his mouth,

1426
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 5: jewels fell out. And you're telling me that he was

1427
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 5: articulate enough.

1428
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 9: Man, that's gra and.

1429
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 2: The fault doesn't How does the fault not lie with you?

1430
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 2: You the one can't understand it's his fault. You can't

1431
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 2: understand Stevie Wonder, all these records that everybody understand, all

1432
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 2: these interviews he's givin, but you, the humors of you

1433
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 2: to be like, is him that can't articulate? No, it's you, motherfucker.

1434
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 4: Jack.

1435
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 9: He never he never even entered into the conversation to

1436
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 9: find out whether he could articulate it or not. And

1437
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 9: the other part of it is that there's like mad

1438
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 9: missed opportunities for amazing journalisms like imagine you know if

1439
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 9: he had Pete Townges right, Pete Townsen did Tommy the

1440
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 9: Rock Opera death Stumb and blind Kids? Whether the Yan

1441
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 9: winner had decided let me get see Wonder and Pete

1442
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 9: Townsend together because Steven got blind and say, yo, what

1443
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 9: do you think of? What do you think about Tommy?

1444
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 9: And have them talk. See the man missed opportunities for incredible,

1445
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 9: insightful conversation because he decided before the competation can happen

1446
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 9: that he's not worthy of doing it. He's not even

1447
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 9: thinking that on that level. So you know, it's the

1448
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 9: same old game, man, it's the same old things.

1449
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, that's yeah. Like I said, man, it's

1450
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 2: funny because I know I didn't know enough to know

1451
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: all the ins and outs, right, but I was like,

1452
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: I know racism.

1453
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, that the thing, like, I know racism when I

1454
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 7: see it, because the thing is the list of people

1455
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 7: that that he quote unquote claims he can't you know,

1456
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 7: even look at these people have sold billions of albums,

1457
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 7: millions of records being on tour like you you're talking

1458
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 7: about a group of people that have impacted the whole world,

1459
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 7: have changed whole genres and impacted generations of people. But

1460
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 7: what they did and their accomplishments don't count. And some

1461
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 7: of those people have actually had a bigger impact on

1462
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 7: the culture as a whole than some of the people

1463
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 7: on your list.

1464
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 3: What are we talking about here?

1465
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 9: Yeah? I want to you know something, you know something deep.

1466
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 9: One of the people who should be who should be

1467
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 9: on that as a master is now Rogers because now

1468
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 9: Wagers survived the destruction of disco. He survived in the

1469
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 9: structured go He was very imitated that when you hear

1470
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 9: another one bite to dust from from Queens, that's the

1471
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 9: imitation of sheep. Understand. He went on to produce The

1472
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 9: Human League and DeBie Hay all the other things, you

1473
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 9: know what I mean. But Duran Duran he you know,

1474
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 9: he put Uh, Steve Ray Vaughn, the Born Brothers, He

1475
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 9: produced David Bowie, you know what I mean. So, how

1476
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 9: are you gonna have something this chat? Could write out

1477
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 9: the spring chart. Just stand he's aid piece of paper

1478
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 9: without his guitar and just write out a spring chart.

1479
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 9: I've seen him do it, right. So here's the person

1480
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 9: who's an incredible musical mind, an incredible intellect, has been

1481
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 9: in the game and made the game work for him.

1482
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 9: But yeah, Winner, he can't. He can't get into the

1483
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 9: Rockall Hall of Fame. And ye will won't won't won't

1484
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 9: dine to uh to have a chat with row Lodgers

1485
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 9: for and.

1486
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 2: And I think also when something becomes like a gold standard,

1487
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 2: a milestone within the industry, it becomes like a indictment

1488
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 2: on the artist instead of an indictment on the the publication.

1489
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 2: People start treating it like, oh, well, I mean Rolling

1490
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 2: Stone didn't even write about the Oh they didn't get

1491
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame, so clearly like that they're

1492
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 2: the one that's wrong instead of the Hall of Fame

1493
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 2: needs loosen up.

1494
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 3: I feel like that shit just really started.

1495
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 2: Changing in the last like I don't know, ten years,

1496
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 2: you start seeing a lot more probably because of social media,

1497
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 2: you start seeing a lot more advocacy for like, no,

1498
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: y'all the one that fucked up, like like like, stop

1499
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: stop denigrating people don't like hey, dog, like the fuck

1500
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 2: is this? I also want to give another shout out to, uh,

1501
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 2: the person that interviewed him for The New York Times.

1502
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 2: I think it's David Marcheze and the reason I won't

1503
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 2: give him a shout out he did some shit that

1504
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 2: you just do not see people do anymore, asking fucking

1505
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 2: follow up questions. Yes, that's a lost artist. I'm so

1506
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 2: sick and goddamn tired of reading the interview where someone

1507
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 2: says a quote and you're like, that shits seem racist

1508
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 2: or that seems that seemed fucked up, like explain that,

1509
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: and normally they just move on like, well, nothing to

1510
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 2: see there, and I'm like, no, no, go back. That

1511
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 2: was and he he followed up he had fucking examples,

1512
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 2: uh because like shit, yeah, like he was like, this

1513
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 2: is a big deal that you were only talking to

1514
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,759
Speaker 2: white dudes. Fucking break this down. And if he wouldn't

1515
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 2: have done that, I don't even think jan Winner gets

1516
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 2: in trouble. I don't think any of this ship is

1517
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: news because I really do think, like Vernon said, if

1518
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 2: he doesn't say this explanation, we make an excuse for

1519
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 2: him of oh, he's talking to his boys. That's his boys.

1520
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 2: He just don't happen to know any black people. But

1521
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 2: that's like every white person. So who gives a fuck.

1522
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 2: I love that this person put him to the put

1523
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 2: the feet to the fire. Even I'm sure yeah, Winner

1524
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 2: probably hates that ship, you know, but good right, yeah

1525
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 2: you did it, so you be held accountable and responsible

1526
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 2: for that, and you uh uh to go back on

1527
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 2: what you say And like I said, maybe because I'm old?

1528
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 6: Who?

1529
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 11: What, when? Wear?

1530
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 9: Why?

1531
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 2: And how?

1532
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 7: These are things that have been lost in the art

1533
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,799
Speaker 7: of social media because everything wants every everybody wants everything

1534
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 7: in bits. They don't actually want a critical think or question.

1535
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 7: That's why we losing follow up questions and shit like this.

1536
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 7: It's about what is the quick sound by what is

1537
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 7: this thing that can get it out fast? I actually

1538
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 7: don't have time to actually do the investigating to find

1539
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 7: out because the thing is, it's so many stories out

1540
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 7: there and so many paths that are never gone down

1541
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 7: because you lack follow up questions.

1542
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,719
Speaker 3: Ask somebody who actually has has done interviews.

1543
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 2: You ask the right.

1544
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 7: Question, and your interview like this can go a completely

1545
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,560
Speaker 7: different direction and can get information out there that the

1546
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 7: public didn't know because a lot of times they ask

1547
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 7: these same questions over and over and over again, an

1548
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 7: the same kind of stamped questions, and nobody learns anything.

1549
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 2: Let me ask you learn something. Let me ask you this.

1550
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: How do y'all know how the Hall of Fame thing works? Like?

1551
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 2: Do you have to submit? Is there like some committee

1552
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 2: in some dark room somewhere that lets you know with nomination?

1553
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 3: Like do that deliver it?

1554
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: Potter? Yeah? Is it transparent? Like do y'all even know

1555
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: if like you're close or if you've been brought up?

1556
01:22:58,400 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 2: Do y'all know that stuff?

1557
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 9: The nomination committee? The nomination thing is pretty much in secret,

1558
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 9: the nomination part of it. I mean, that's that's who

1559
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 9: you even get to vote on is is a closely

1560
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 9: held thing by the board. And then the ballots go out,

1561
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 9: so they announced who the nominees are. The nominee process

1562
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 9: is completely opaque, right, don't know what that is. And

1563
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 9: then once you get the nominees, you've got ballots that

1564
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 9: go out, and the ballots go out to a select

1565
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 9: number of people who get to vote. You know, they

1566
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 9: get to they get a you know, you get a ballot,

1567
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 9: and you know, like I got a ballot because Tom

1568
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 9: Morella from Raging against the Machine reached out to me

1569
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 9: and said, yo, I'm you know, Rage is going to

1570
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 9: be nominated. I said, man, I vote, come on, send

1571
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 9: it on to me. And then and they get me,

1572
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 9: you get a ballot. It was just and it was

1573
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 9: just like he reached out to me, and then I

1574
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 9: just got a ballot, you know, and voted, you know,

1575
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 9: for the nominees out there. But it's it's two different stages.

1576
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 9: The first stage, I don't know how they what that is.

1577
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 9: The second stage is I guess it's a select number

1578
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 9: of people get ballot.

1579
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I think y'all getting in this year. And here's why.

1580
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 2: Anytime some racist shit happened and white people feel bad.

1581
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 2: They they they started looking for some quick solutions, right,

1582
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 2: you know, like it's like how like, uh, George Floyd

1583
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 2: died and then every every company wanted to give us

1584
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 2: a job. Like it wasn't like like here's some social

1585
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 2: justice money and uh, we're gonna hire negroes guys. That

1586
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 2: should make this go away, right, everybody be fine, they

1587
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 2: get a job, y'all won't laugh time to write.

1588
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 3: I feel like this, this could be y'all with I

1589
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 3: think this could be all time. I feel like unlike

1590
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 3: that once you get it, they can't take it back.

1591
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 2: I feel like the statement because I've seen it shared

1592
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 2: a lot of places, like when I google like Living Colors,

1593
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 2: like all the Google just results are just like yeah,

1594
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 2: they they was on his ass and everybody.

1595
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 3: And also because y'all said it was easy for white

1596
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 3: people to you know, like be like that's what they said.

1597
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean said that.

1598
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 3: I retweeted, Look, I'm just a white guy. I just

1599
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 3: all I said was Living Color.

1600
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 2: They were pretty up saying I'm just gonna repost it.

1601
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 2: Don't get mad at me, Jim. I feel like we

1602
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 2: just gotta we gotta start a movement or something. I

1603
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 2: don't know how how we got it right? What do

1604
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 2: we gotta do with grass root house? We gotta go

1605
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 2: to air like but I feel like this could be

1606
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 2: all year, man, because like guilty white folks, that's how

1607
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 2: we get progress in America.

1608
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 7: Every time I'm himpo, I said, I don't cat up

1609
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 7: about guilt votes gelling.

1610
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 3: Now it's funny, but it's true. It's funny, but it's true.

1611
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 2: Civil War you get eight years of reconstruction because they

1612
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 2: felt bad about the Civil War. You get the civil

1613
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 2: rights there because because the MLK got killed, like George Floyd,

1614
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 2: you get the wave of activism and ship. I feel

1615
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 2: like we gotta capitalize on the pandemonium. Guys, all right, don't.

1616
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 9: Stop you know taking chao.

1617
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you gotta get out there. I'll see Vernon

1618
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 2: out there sharing all the like uh musical history, and

1619
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 2: you're damn there like a professor right now on Twitter.

1620
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 2: Every time I look at you in the feed, it's

1621
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 2: like you're breaking down another like obscure thing, or you're

1622
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 2: breaking down like a musical reference. And I feel like,

1623
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 2: you know that that's gotta be helping. You know all

1624
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 2: that knowledge, I'm like, oh, I didn't know that, And

1625
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 2: you know me, I'm old and black.

1626
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 3: Half the time.

1627
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 5: Let me go do this now, think about this. I'm sorry,

1628
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, think about we're looking for

1629
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 5: you're talking about rock and roll intellectuals. Mister Vernon Read

1630
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 5: is a rock and roll intellectual and has talked about

1631
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 5: how the solties and nuances and the inn days that

1632
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 5: we all have had and that we've made in an

1633
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 5: effort to refine and make music better. He talks about

1634
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 5: it all the time. He has that knowledge in his head.

1635
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 5: But Jan Lear doesn't care about that, right.

1636
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 2: He can't articulate well you.

1637
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 9: Know, well, well, you know you can tway with conversation.

1638
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 9: The day after after John Coltrane's birthday, you know, and

1639
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 9: and I had this thing on Twitter slash x called

1640
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 9: Song of the Day. I'm doing it for the year

1641
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 9: of twenty twenty three, like every day I post, you know,

1642
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,560
Speaker 9: and my music tastes all over the place, you know,

1643
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 9: with it's all it's all kinds of music coming for

1644
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 9: all kinds of people. But yesterday by Song of the

1645
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 9: Day was a love supreme. And you know he did

1646
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 9: that in nineteen sixty five, which is the same need

1647
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 9: as the Voting Rights Act you know, was inactive and

1648
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 9: and you think about these moments, you know, well, just

1649
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 9: such incredible creativity, such incredible optimism, you know, such incredible hope.

1650
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 9: And then you know, then we go through the cycle again.

1651
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 9: That's what you're talking about, reconstruction, you know, and and

1652
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 9: all these different things that we that we go through

1653
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 9: and it cuts across all the different boundaries of style,

1654
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 9: you know what I mean.

1655
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 5: And this simone had a song called mister Backlash, which

1656
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 5: is about that.

1657
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, man. And the funny thing about it is

1658
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 9: when we talk about these things with Rocoll Rocko is

1659
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 9: the most extreme example. The same thing with jazz, the

1660
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 9: same situation with blues, you know, the blues, you know

1661
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 9: it's blues. Is those Specter was a primarily attended by

1662
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 9: white folks, you know what I mean.

1663
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 6: I wonder if that's the problem.

1664
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's why certain people are so like

1665
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 2: protective of hip hop in that way, because we've seen

1666
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 2: it so many times where you look up years later

1667
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 2: as unrecognizable, you know, where it's like, wait a minute,

1668
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 2: that's not how this shit started. How y'all getting all

1669
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 2: the money in the credit you know, Like, I wonder

1670
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,719
Speaker 2: if that's why people are so like, you know, adamant

1671
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 2: about protecting you know, other black art in other spaces

1672
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 2: because they've seen what's happened.

1673
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 9: Well, I heard a story the other day that really

1674
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 9: moved me. There's a thing called the forty plus Double

1675
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 9: Dutch Club, right, and the forty plus Double Dutch Club

1676
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 9: they meet, they meet in Chicago. I swear to God,

1677
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 9: I'm gonna try to go next year. But it's it's

1678
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 9: it's basically all these women, these and it's basically African

1679
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 9: American women getting together to do double dutch, right and snatch.

1680
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 9: Not a competition, it's more confidence. Right, Well, you know it,

1681
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 9: double dutch became a sport. Double Dutch became a sport,

1682
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 9: and seriously it got you know, like the Japanese girls,

1683
01:29:55,240 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 9: these Asian females into it. But it's so interesting thing

1684
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 9: how things, how things disseminate, you know what I mean,

1685
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 9: Because human beings we see in activity and they go,

1686
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 9: you get lit up by it, and you go, oh,

1687
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 9: I want to do that. I'm gonna try to do

1688
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 9: Oh man, that's exciting, and so it spreads, right, So

1689
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 9: there's a whole thing about double dutch around the world,

1690
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 9: and I'm when I first seeing that, and I was

1691
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 9: going with these double Dutch contests, you know, and I

1692
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 9: was going, man, you know, but I remember it on

1693
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 9: the block. That was one of the most things when

1694
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 9: I was on to come up, seeing girls play do

1695
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 9: double Dutch. I always loved it because it's just it's

1696
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 9: difficult to do.

1697
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 18: It's a it's a real physical activity, and it's something

1698
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 18: that we came up with that right, right, So it's

1699
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 18: something that I feel very very emotional about double dutch.

1700
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 9: Right coming up you know what I mean, coming up

1701
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 9: on Saint Mark's Avenue in BK, you know what I mean,

1702
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 9: and whatever. But when I heard about the forty plus

1703
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 9: Double Dutch club, that was like, Okay, this is beautiful

1704
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 9: because it felt like, you know what, the this thing

1705
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 9: hasn't been just let go of and it hasn't just

1706
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 9: it's I mean, I ain't mad at the Chinese girls,

1707
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 9: the Japanese girls. They love it, they feel like it.

1708
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 9: That's beautiful. But I don't want to lose the root.

1709
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 9: I don't want to see us give up. It's going

1710
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 9: to go out into the world the same people rock

1711
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 9: and roll. I ain't mad at these people and white

1712
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 9: folks to play old some of them have influenced me.

1713
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 9: For the thing, the idea that this is no longer black,

1714
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 9: that the idea that double Dutch is no longer black.

1715
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 9: It's unacceptable to me, It's unacceptable. That's my emotional thing

1716
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 9: about about where people we had to fight a fight

1717
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 9: across two different fronts, right because on the one hand

1718
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 9: we get in the white gauze and on the other

1719
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 9: hand we getting the black gauge, and black gage is like,

1720
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 9: you know, it's like, you're trying to be white boys,

1721
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 9: and I'm like, are you bugging? You know, when we

1722
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 9: first came out Oprah, Oprah did a segment I'll never

1723
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 9: forget it, and I'll never forgive it. We'll keep with

1724
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 9: the one moment that she ever mentioned us. She said

1725
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 9: something about that we apparently we're trying to be white,

1726
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 9: and that shit broke my heart. It's also it's an awesome,

1727
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 9: crusty ass video right now, so it doesn't look but

1728
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 9: I remember this, and so she never she never talked

1729
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 9: to us, she never asked us who we were, right.

1730
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 9: So this this is a situation that's cut across all lines.

1731
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,560
Speaker 9: To be black is to fight on a couple of

1732
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:26,719
Speaker 9: different fronts. If you're gonna be black and be yourself.

1733
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 9: You know, you will have to answer to everybody. That's yeah,

1734
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 9: we were talking about that earlier fact. That's a natural fact.

1735
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 5: Yeah. Our rature in this, in this idea is based

1736
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 5: solely on something that they've never heard us say. They've

1737
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 5: never they've never given they've never heard us say we

1738
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 5: don't care about niggas ever ever.

1739
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 2: And and it's also that thing to where you got

1740
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 2: on the one hand, you got white people saying, uh, this,

1741
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 2: these people can't possibly be as good as this as us,

1742
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 2: like it's this is our art form, you know, do

1743
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 2: you got do you got black people being like, well

1744
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 2: they they must just want to be white if they're

1745
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 2: over there, and it leaves you as a place with

1746
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 2: no country. And I like, I've always thought it was

1747
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 2: like dope that like y'all listen to us and and

1748
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 2: that we've had this relationship, because to me, I feel

1749
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 2: like it erases a lot of that, Like for the

1750
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 2: people that listen to this ship, they're they're not thinking like, well,

1751
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 2: those brothers are just sitting up there trying to like nah,

1752
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: they come here and they kick with us, they play

1753
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 2: guest the race and fucking with black people and ship,

1754
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 2: and I think and and and to be like I said,

1755
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 2: my own ignorance, I I also would have assumed ship

1756
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 2: like that just because because mostly because it wasn't my purview,

1757
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 2: you know. And then it also like also once I

1758
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 2: got older, I feel like, like Vernon said, the fight

1759
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 2: to be yourself and be black, everyone is gonna go

1760
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 2: through that, and you start realizing how much shit is

1761
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 2: coded white supremacy shit. And I think I especially love

1762
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,599
Speaker 2: to see black folks that don't turn like bitter towards

1763
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 2: other black folks, because to me, that does feel like

1764
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 2: the number one thing white supremacy try to get us

1765
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 2: to do. Like I always feel sad whenever there's like

1766
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 2: a person's like I ain't like a a man I

1767
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 2: talked white and no one's my friend and I hate

1768
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 2: black people, and I'm like, uh, bro, you are thirteen,

1769
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 2: you are thirteen.

1770
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 3: You at some point you gotta like, you gotta own that.

1771
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 2: And those kids were fucked up, but let's be honest,

1772
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 2: all kids are fucked up at that age.

1773
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 3: The white kids are probably giving you swirlies.

1774
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 2: And shit too. Don't don't try to ignore that. But

1775
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,560
Speaker 2: it's like you have to own that and so like

1776
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 2: I love I love like, I love y'all's love of

1777
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 2: black shit I love. I don't think there's any way

1778
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: to hear Shade and not be like these are for

1779
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 2: lack of a better time some niggas, And I say

1780
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 2: that with love, like, I don't think there's a way

1781
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:05,680
Speaker 2: to listen to that album and not be like those

1782
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 2: My niggas. They fucking they they're talking about this ship.

1783
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 2: I care about how it affects me because it affects them.

1784
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 2: And it's a damn shame if people are just judging

1785
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 2: books while they cover without interrogating, because that's the same thing. Yeah,

1786
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 2: Winter did the.

1787
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 5: Whole thing about not having not having any backup questions.

1788
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 5: You don't have a backup question for us. You heard

1789
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 5: one thing. It was all over the place at one

1790
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,560
Speaker 5: point in time. Great, you know there's more to that

1791
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 5: than than fucking culture personality. Look, I don't, I can't.

1792
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,640
Speaker 5: It's paying for my kids college right and knocking it,

1793
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 5: you know, But at the same time, this fight to fight.

1794
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 5: At the same time, you know, there's there's a there's

1795
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 5: a whole catalog of stuff that goes deeper into that,

1796
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 5: into something that you can.

1797
01:35:58,800 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 9: Relate to right.

1798
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 5: Right, And and it's a shame that you got caught

1799
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 5: up in some in some you know, white supremacy, and

1800
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 5: that told you this wasn't yours, This isn't yours, this

1801
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 5: wasn't created by you.

1802
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 9: That's a fact. That's a fact. I mean, the fact

1803
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 9: that we're alienated from each other is also a function

1804
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 9: of white supremacy. That's a that's a that's a that's

1805
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 9: the thing that when you talk about quote unquote black

1806
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 9: on black crime. Well, you know, you know, the far

1807
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 9: right loves black criminals. They love them, you know, because

1808
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 9: they get it. Yeah, because the black criminal proves their point.

1809
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 9: So all that, all that, all that crocodile kids about

1810
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 9: that they upset. No, you love that because you know,

1811
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 9: you more upset about the black kid that gets into

1812
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 9: all of the Ivory schools than you are about everybody

1813
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 9: you know grabbing a purse. You more, you much more

1814
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 9: upset about when a negro decides to do right and

1815
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 9: make it happen. That's more disturbing to you than what

1816
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 9: the criminals is doing. So let's own that right. And

1817
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 9: another and one other thing I want to say is

1818
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 9: like I honestly think back about Jimmy Hendris. I talked

1819
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 9: about Jimmy Henderson, Dickcavis show Yo, they would call him

1820
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 9: N word and interviews and all kinds of I remember,

1821
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 9: go back and read the press about Jimmy Hendrix, right,

1822
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 9: and jim Hendricks went and turned around and and and

1823
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 9: our people black fos call him a white boy. You

1824
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 9: know this that but ain't no white boy in the

1825
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 9: world coming up with voodoo child. That's not happening, right,

1826
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 9: That's the he went. He went really black. He went

1827
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 9: so black that people were like, he freak everybody out.

1828
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 9: Trust the beliefs.

1829
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 5: Foxy is not is black vernacular. I turned to turn

1830
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 5: around from from fox from Foxy who was saying that

1831
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 5: ship it wasn't.

1832
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 9: White boys, man. Yeah.

1833
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 3: And also for me one thing about getting older, and

1834
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 3: I realized about negroes. I love us, did we go

1835
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 3: and y'all, y'all, I love us. But we claim we're

1836
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 3: not a monolith, right, we claimed it.

1837
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 5: We're not a model lift.

1838
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 7: But anytime anybody steps outside of what white people say

1839
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:32,879
Speaker 7: is normal, we want to throw them out of blackness

1840
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 7: because I am I personally am of the belief if

1841
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,719
Speaker 7: you claim black, I'm just saying if you claim black,

1842
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 7: you are black, So whatever.

1843
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 3: Your experience is is the black experience. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no,

1844
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 3: I cut on that. Rachel's all down. No, I was

1845
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 3: just trying to agree with you because she claimed black,

1846
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 3: but she ain't black.

1847
01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 2: Okay.

1848
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 3: So if you have if you have black genetics, okay.

1849
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 7: If you have black genetics, Yeah, you can't be coming

1850
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 7: out here with your lily white parents talking about I.

1851
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 3: Think you know what, you know, what's dope about social media?

1852
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,679
Speaker 2: Uh, that's like as much ship as I give social

1853
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 2: media man, black people into everything.

1854
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 3: Yes, that is the.

1855
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can make some ship up right now, and

1856
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 2: I guarantee you we go somewhere as a black person

1857
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 2: doing like, oh, I bet people ain't making Hennessy cupcakes.

1858
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 2: It's a nigga making handy cupcakes. Right the fuck now?

1859
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 2: You say, like, uh, I bet it ain't no black

1860
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 2: badminton players. It's a motherfucker that's bad as shit at

1861
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 2: badminton and they black.

1862
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 9: Like.

1863
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 2: That is the one myth that I think the Internet

1864
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 2: that shout out to the Internet, that's the myth fucking

1865
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 2: the race for me to.

1866
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:52,760
Speaker 7: Let people that let a lot of black people know

1867
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 7: they are not alone because you know, we were raised

1868
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 7: up in the generation where we were so scattered that

1869
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 7: we didn't have a collection, or we were such a

1870
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 7: small group that we were too scared to talk to

1871
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 7: each other to find out if well.

1872
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 2: Also, like technology wise, Living Color was doing music before

1873
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 2: you really had the ability to connect on the internet, right, so,

1874
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 2: like like if Living Color started over today, today was

1875
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:19,639
Speaker 2: the first day they dropped the album.

1876
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 3: The collection of people.

1877
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 2: That can find each other online and become a fan

1878
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 2: base of like, oh, I didn't know this was okay,

1879
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 2: what's this? Now we're fucking with that. That is different,

1880
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 2: whereas before uh and and I kind of feel like

1881
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 2: part of that's technology, but before it becomes what Oprah said,

1882
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 2: they white, So I don't need to check them out.

1883
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 2: Rolling Stone doesn't think they should be on the cover.

1884
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:47,919
Speaker 2: I don't need to. I don't need to know anymore.

1885
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 2: You know, Oh, I didn't see them enough on BT

1886
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 2: so so I don't need I don't need to check

1887
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 2: that out. Whereas now, I mean, look at Sexy Red,

1888
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:00,600
Speaker 2: she's a motherfucker phenomena. I on things, she got an

1889
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 2: album out. It's all just viral TikTok shit that's not

1890
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 2: always lost every time you bring her up.

1891
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 3: But that's what changed in our lifetime, and I do

1892
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 3: wonder if that.

1893
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:13,639
Speaker 2: Would have you could change and you could super serve

1894
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 2: an audience like never before.

1895
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 7: You know, you don't have these channels that you have

1896
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 7: to go through. You don't have some A and R person.

1897
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 7: You don't have to, you know, go through somebody that

1898
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,200
Speaker 7: kind of picks and chooses. You can be like, look,

1899
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 7: the technology is here, I'm a YouTube university this ship

1900
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 7: and we're gonna figure it out and boom, here's my album.

1901
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 3: You know that's not always a good thing, but you

1902
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 3: can't go there.

1903
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it's a lot of wack shit to

1904
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 2: sort through, but the good shit is out there too,

1905
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 2: so I mean, it is what it is. Let me

1906
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 2: ask you all this man. Y'all said, y'all about the

1907
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 2: y'all going back on tour in February.

1908
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 3: Are y'all like chilling?

1909
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:52,719
Speaker 2: Are y'all chilling till February?

1910
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 3: Y'all got other shit y'all doing too.

1911
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 9: We got we have a European right, we have a

1912
01:41:58,200 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 9: European run.

1913
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 5: Going to We're going to Europe at the end of

1914
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:07,719
Speaker 5: in December, gonna be out three weeks in December, laughed.

1915
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 2: When you're talking about I'm.

1916
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:10,840
Speaker 9: Gonna be out in November, We're gonna be out in.

1917
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 5: November, right, Nope, we know we leave like end of November,

1918
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 5: like the twenty sixth of November, and then we're there

1919
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 5: until the like nineteenth of December.

1920
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 2: Now, Cary, you kind of last when you talked about

1921
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 2: getting in the lab working on an album. But is

1922
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 2: that something on the on the list or is that.

1923
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 9: No? No, no, the writing In fact, in fact, Corey

1924
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 9: and I had a had a had a definitely tended

1925
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:38,600
Speaker 9: tech before we left Australia about what we need to

1926
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 9: do and ways to do it, you know what I mean.

1927
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 9: So yeah, so that's that's right. At this point, a

1928
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 9: record is gonna come out next year. We're really where

1929
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 9: we are in the cycle. But the writing and completion

1930
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 9: of tracks, you know, we can get into all of that.

1931
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm taking bets.

1932
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 2: I mean, the last album was twenty seventeen. I feel

1933
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,599
Speaker 2: like stuff is happening, y'all got stuff to talk about.

1934
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:11,639
Speaker 3: Into the whole pandemic, y'all seeing people getting their energy. Yeah,

1935
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,839
Speaker 3: these creative minds going. I mean, something has happened.

1936
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 9: You're just so creative.

1937
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's so creative.

1938
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 5: Man.

1939
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:30,600
Speaker 3: Well, look, I'm gonna wrap it up, man, But I

1940
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 3: love you guys.

1941
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 4: I'm go ahead.

1942
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 9: Comfort to me.

1943
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, this is a classic Living Color show. Okay,

1944
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 2: we started with the technical difficulties. Okay, we fought through it.

1945
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 2: You know we we nigger rigged it for lack of

1946
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 2: a better term, or negro rigged it. Karen would say,

1947
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 2: we negro rigged it. Negrew shout out to innovation. Speaking

1948
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,680
Speaker 2: of people not in the Hall of Fame us, we're

1949
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 2: not in the podcast Hall of Fame. We show like

1950
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:00,759
Speaker 2: either we know the struggle.

1951
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 3: We can't articulate, you know what I'm saying. We been

1952
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 3: We've been doing it long enough to be nominated too.

1953
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:09,680
Speaker 2: Yes, they calling us to make us send money to

1954
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,800
Speaker 2: be submitted for awards. Nice try. Yeah, that's not that's

1955
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:13,799
Speaker 2: not how that works.

1956
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 3: That's not how that's gonna work for us.

1957
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 2: The war to leave us alone. Ain't that the truth?

1958
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,599
Speaker 2: But I was just gonna say, man, I love you guys.

1959
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm always like following y'all on social media and stuff.

1960
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 2: It feels so dope to see y'all like back out

1961
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 2: doing shit being fabulous everywhere you go rocking shows. And

1962
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 2: I have to say this for anybody in our audience.

1963
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 2: If you're in the rock, if you're not in the rock,

1964
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:44,639
Speaker 2: if you going if you're going out going concerts and whatnot,

1965
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 2: if these brothers are in your vicinity, go fucking see him.

1966
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 2: We had such a great time we did. It was

1967
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 2: it's like we because you know how like one of

1968
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:56,920
Speaker 2: the things I'm most proud of of the black Out

1969
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 2: Tips is our fans. Yes, same thing. Living colored fans

1970
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 2: are so fucking inclusive and dope and like they like

1971
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 2: they were like I was, you know, I'm an introvert.

1972
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting over there, like I'll just stand by

1973
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 2: myself everyone, I don't mind me.

1974
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:12,600
Speaker 3: And they're like, hey, man, so how long have you

1975
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 3: been listening to the band? Oh what do you think

1976
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:14,560
Speaker 3: about this?

1977
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 9: Oh? Man?

1978
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 3: You know, I remember when y'all came to Charlotte.

1979
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 2: Was hilarious.

1980
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 7: Y'all came to Charlotte. We was inside this white couple.

1981
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 7: We was up hostile, we was talking everything. We're having

1982
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 7: a good time with them. Y'all came through and y'all

1983
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:28,560
Speaker 7: recognized us and we said, hey, how y'all doing it.

1984
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 7: We interacted with y'all after that, they was their best friend.

1985
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 7: They wouldn't shut the fuck up. I mean, and y'all

1986
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 7: know I'm a talker. I don't mean nothing.

1987
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:40,920
Speaker 3: I wanted to like enjoy the show and say, oh,

1988
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:41,640
Speaker 3: y'all know what.

1989
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 2: But it was so nice though, Like That's what I'm

1990
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 2: saying because as an introvert and person has anxiety, I

1991
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 2: get sometimes I get overwhelmed with the idea of some ship.

1992
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I ain't never been a rock concert's

1993
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:57,799
Speaker 2: gonna be like nah, man, it was so chic. Everybody

1994
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:01,639
Speaker 2: was laid down. And also these others are so fucking talented,

1995
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 2: like it's undeniable talent, super professionals. You could tell they've

1996
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 2: been doing it their whole life. The bandter on stage

1997
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 2: between Corey and everybody is it's like half comedy show,

1998
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 2: have music, half rock. Like it's so good and I

1999
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 2: cannot recommend this shit highly enough, y'all.

2000
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 7: And as somebody who's older who had particularly the first

2001
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 7: time we week, I had never been to like a

2002
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 7: rock concert, so I didn't know what to expect. And

2003
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 7: I know, I see all the shit on TV and

2004
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 7: I was like, naw, I'm old. I ain't trying to

2005
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 7: get marsh pitch to get popped in the eye. So

2006
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 7: I'm letting people know, hey, you.

2007
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 3: Can go like that. It's not like that. It's chilled.

2008
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:39,800
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

2009
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 3: It's really I'm not people know, it's really chill.

2010
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 2: Like you can go and and and it is just

2011
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 2: amazing to watch people vibe out because people be just vibing,

2012
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 2: looking at each other, going you feel this.

2013
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:52,680
Speaker 7: I feel it like like I'm just as somebody on

2014
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 7: the outside looking end. So just let y'all know if

2015
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:57,679
Speaker 7: you got them knees, you you're gonna be in good shape.

2016
01:46:57,680 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 7: You ain't got to worry about it. You're gonna have

2017
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 7: good time.

2018
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 3: And this is the last day I forgot to say.

2019
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 6: So.

2020
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 3: I turned forty five yesterday.

2021
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 2: And birthday, Thank you.

2022
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 9: Man, same birthday's cold train come on lest my can

2023
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:11,679
Speaker 9: come on man.

2024
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. You know, listen, there's a lot

2025
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:17,720
Speaker 2: of good people boring. On September twenty third, shout out

2026
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 2: to Janelle James. Okay, you know we share a birthday.

2027
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 2: So the thing I was gonna say is, uh, forty five,

2028
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 2: I think like something kicked in in my black jean

2029
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 2: that I wasn't ready for because I went out. I

2030
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 2: had a good time. I came home and I just

2031
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,560
Speaker 2: clean deep cleaned my living room. I don't know what

2032
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 2: the fuck got into me, y'all. I like, I like move,

2033
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:47,080
Speaker 2: I was moving sofas and shit, I was fucking I

2034
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:51,719
Speaker 2: put vinegar in my dishwasher and in my fucking washing machine.

2035
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck is? This is this

2036
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 3: what I have to expect for the rest of my life? Y'all?

2037
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 18: Have this.

2038
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:01,639
Speaker 5: Last man I had. I had a gig in town,

2039
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 5: in the town I live in, and I came home

2040
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:07,280
Speaker 5: and clean the stove.

2041
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 2: See what the fuck is?

2042
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:12,120
Speaker 3: Roger was up at I am cleaning the stove.

2043
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 2: One night I was asleep.

2044
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 9: I was like, clean the stove asleep, No, I woke.

2045
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 2: Up to clean the stove. I don't know what the

2046
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:26,680
Speaker 2: fuck was even I was the one sleeping, Like, I

2047
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:29,680
Speaker 2: went to bed thinking I should clean the stove, and

2048
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 2: I just woke up and it wasn't even time to

2049
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:33,880
Speaker 2: wake up, and I was like, fuck sins, I'm up,

2050
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:34,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna clean the stove.

2051
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, as long as you ain't no boy happened. As

2052
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 9: long as you ain't hear no boys coming out of

2053
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 9: the store.

2054
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 3: I did, and I didn't. I'm sorry, Cory, go ahead,

2055
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

2056
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 5: No, It's like I got I love cooking with cast iron.

2057
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,840
Speaker 5: I was like, I gotta, I gotta treat these cast iron.

2058
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, so now the stove is fucked up.

2059
01:48:58,439 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 5: Clean the stove. Shit in the oven. Oh Jesus Christ,

2060
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:05,639
Speaker 5: what's in the oven? Yes, I'm sitting there. I'm bent

2061
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,680
Speaker 5: over in the stove like I'm trying to commit suicide.

2062
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 3: Ye, yes, I was on I was on YouTube looking

2063
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 3: up cleaning videos. You can take the doors off and everything.

2064
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 5: Baking, soda, vinegar, yep, and and peroxide.

2065
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:33,640
Speaker 3: That's all you need.

2066
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 5: Clean, clean, every everything.

2067
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 2: I've been buying ship from the store for no reason,

2068
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 2: just cleaning supplies. Everything in my kitchen already already got it.

2069
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 5: I'm making a statement, mister clean is some white supremacist ship.

2070
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, he ball headed. He only went, okay, I'll see you,

2071
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 2: I'll see you, dog. It don't make sense. Oh, he

2072
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 2: the one that's clean. Y'all. Don't even wash y'all legs.

2073
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 2: Nice try, nice trying white folks. All right, man, thanks

2074
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 2: for being here. Man, make sure y'all like I said,

2075
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 2: go check them out if y'all see them in your

2076
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 2: in your area. Uh, they coming through. It's a hell

2077
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 2: of a show, man, it's a hell of a show.

2078
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:18,680
Speaker 2: It's fun. And we appreciate y'all listening and appreciate y'all

2079
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:21,200
Speaker 2: coming through. Because as soon as I saw that Jan

2080
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 2: and Winter thing and saw y'all statement, I said, man,

2081
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 2: I know they know better than me. They gonna be

2082
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 2: able to give us some inside details we don't got,

2083
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 2: So thank you.

2084
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 9: Well, we love y'all, man, We love y'all.

2085
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 6: Man.

2086
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 5: Absolute. Oh by the way, it's.

2087
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:39,000
Speaker 3: Oh man, I love to hear dog, I love to

2088
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 3: hear that.

2089
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 9: That is that ship.

2090
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:48,599
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yes, he had.

2091
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:50,920
Speaker 5: Literally crying laughing.

2092
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 2: Yes, man, oh my god. Yes, it's definitely like some

2093
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 2: dope stuff I'm getting to do over there. Like uh,

2094
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:01,479
Speaker 2: I've been writing some of that episodes and like seeing

2095
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 2: them come to life and like uh ivt. Nicole Brown

2096
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 2: like played the main character in one of the things

2097
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 2: I wrote and she like was so fucking good. And

2098
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:15,880
Speaker 2: the last one like about a finishing cord, I wrote

2099
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 2: that one.

2100
01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 5: That was amazing, amazing, like the whole team is just.

2101
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:25,240
Speaker 2: A beast, like because like even, like I say, I write,

2102
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:27,839
Speaker 2: but then like you know, everyone gotta do their part.

2103
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 3: So you can write some ship.

2104
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:32,759
Speaker 2: But you know, if motherfuckers can't act, or if motherfuckers

2105
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,200
Speaker 2: don't know how to do the sound, it's whack. These

2106
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:40,280
Speaker 2: motherfuckers remind you, I'm an actor. Okay, I'm writing down, Corey.

2107
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:45,519
Speaker 2: I do have another I do have one more to

2108
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 2: write before we end the season. So you look out,

2109
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 2: phone call.

2110
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:54,320
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, I bring my vinegar and my breaking.

2111
01:51:58,280 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 3: We love to see it.

2112
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:02,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna hold you to that, man. All right,

2113
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:03,479
Speaker 2: that's it for us.

2114
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 9: Man.

2115
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 2: We'll be back later on in the week. I think

2116
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:08,640
Speaker 2: tomorrow is a busy day for us. But uh and

2117
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:10,920
Speaker 2: then Wednesday, of course, walking there Wednesday. So we got

2118
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:13,639
Speaker 2: y'all on that, So we'll be back later on the wall.

2119
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 5: Say that again, Vernon, don't say anything, Vernon Vernion about

2120
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 5: to spoil it? Shut up?

2121
01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:21,840
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, we haven't.

2122
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:25,519
Speaker 9: Just I'm just i'm rewatching here the walking there. I

2123
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:29,000
Speaker 9: started rewatching from episode one.

2124
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we we can hind on that too, but

2125
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 2: we we we we do some down and dirty recaps

2126
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:36,800
Speaker 2: of that that we'll we'll get too soon. Uh where

2127
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 2: we don't even we don't do all the notes and ship.

2128
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 2: We just watch it and come in and be like, girl,

2129
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 2: that was crazy. We're gonna We're gonna do that soon.

2130
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 6: But yeah.

2131
01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 9: One of the one of the greatest honors for us

2132
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 9: was to be featured on the left.

2133
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 2: All right, all okay, yeah we recapped. We don't know yet.

2134
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 3: We we haven't watched the last episode, so.

2135
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:10,360
Speaker 5: So, but I knew. I knew you were gonna do that.

2136
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:12,439
Speaker 5: Why did you start?

2137
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:13,640
Speaker 9: Why didn't you stop me?

2138
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:17,519
Speaker 5: Because you don't shut up?

2139
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:21,760
Speaker 9: You could have just said, yo, man, don't talk about

2140
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 9: don't say nothing about to walk you can.

2141
01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 3: It's all good, man, You know what.

2142
01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:31,760
Speaker 2: We got the complete experience now because we it's not

2143
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 2: done until y'all get in a fight, like I feel

2144
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:35,640
Speaker 2: like tending to difficulties.

2145
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 5: We had.

2146
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:39,960
Speaker 9: Every fight was fighting.

2147
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 3: I love y'all.

2148
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:44,200
Speaker 2: Man.

2149
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 3: All right, that's it.

2150
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 2: We're rapping up. Thanks for listening, everybody. We'll be back

2151
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:51,280
Speaker 2: so until next time, I love you.