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Speaker 3: To this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 3: This this Morning Combat. It's Christmas Week.

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Speaker 1: Happy Jingle Balds to all of you out there. Hi everyone,

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Speaker 1: On this Monday, the twentieth of December twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: it is time for Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I am one half of your hosting duo. My name

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Speaker 1: is Luke Thomas from CBS Sports and Showtime, and I'm

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Speaker 1: joining you from the capital of Lsis status unidos with

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Speaker 1: It's just so shitty. I mean to say that either way,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do the show today, how about you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's been a busy life, Luke, that

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Speaker 2: and you better believe that I'm here for it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So Okay, I'll pick up the pieces wherever you may fall,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just you know, Luke, we're back at it, bro,

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Speaker 2: No rest for the wicked. So what a weekend, Jake, Paul, Tampa,

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Speaker 2: let's let's keep living. Okay, let's do it, Luke. All right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's do that. I'm gonna make it to

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Speaker 3: Luke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how how how money was it when you your

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Speaker 3: How awesome was that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? That was great?

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Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, let's just leave it there, Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Tampa was interesting, uh not one of my

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Speaker 2: First of all, Miami sucks, all right, so let's just

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Speaker 1: I didn't say great, but it's better than Miami. I

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Speaker 2: Well, we didn't get the best close up of the

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Speaker 2: No more, Luke and Uh, I didn't love but you

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Speaker 2: And you know they had they had boats with Christmas lights.

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Speaker 2: I mean they tried, Luke, they tried.

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Speaker 1: That's the whole idea. And by the way, people are

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Speaker 2: Jake is building something special right here, and he's put

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Speaker 2: He's going to have to prove that he can get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he wants any part of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The only way it comes back is if in

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Speaker 2: It didn't deliver. This topic will only come back up

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Speaker 2: I think that's gonna continue to bring out the best

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00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 2: in Jake inside the ring if he can match that way.

437
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 3: I think that's right.

438
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it'll come up for analysts like us when

439
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,880
Speaker 1: whever we discuss his next fight will be like, well,

440
00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 1: remember before the KO, it wasn't that great? Of a

441
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 1: fight and blah blah blah, and that might go into it,

442
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,800
Speaker 1: but in terms of like serving his interests or you know,

443
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 1: what material can he take from the fight to boost

444
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 1: his fortunes, he has everything he needs and then some,

445
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,199
Speaker 1: even though there's you know, fifteen plus minutes of this

446
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,199
Speaker 1: fight being a little bit nubs, quite candily but.

447
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 3: Quite quite bad. As a matter of fact, I.

448
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:12,880
Speaker 2: Just I want to ask you in dsight about the nubs.

449
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,679
Speaker 2: We debated right after whose faults it was, you know,

450
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 2: we both kind of said it was both fighters. I

451
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,880
Speaker 2: thought Jake was doing more holding than Tyron. You thought

452
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 2: the opposite. But I mean, was this all part of

453
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 2: Tyrone's strategy, just with short camp, with you know, a bigger, younger,

454
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 2: stronger opponent in there, to try to frustrate him, try

455
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 2: to slow down the pace of this fight and try

456
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 2: to keep him close enough through holding in hopes of

457
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 2: landing that one big counter shot. And it just didn't

458
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: work out for Tyrone.

459
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right.

460
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 1: I think he was trying to hold on to not

461
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 1: let the fight get away from him, not let Jake

462
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 1: get you know, lucky or however he was imagining it,

463
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,959
Speaker 1: just slow it down control it make it ugly, and

464
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: he did. But then you know, you let your guard.

465
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you make one mistake, you make one mistake,

466
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 1: even against the guy. I mean that just shows you

467
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,360
Speaker 1: the fight game. Even a guy like Jake Paul, who

468
00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,959
Speaker 1: you know has obviously been training really hard and had

469
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: good power, but is not really a boxer of any

470
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,479
Speaker 1: kind of elite status. Even one mistake against him and

471
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 1: your you know, your face down on the canvas and

472
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: you're a meme everywhere. So with that in mind, BC,

473
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: let's talk about Tyron Woodley for just a second topic

474
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: number two. So that was a devastating KO, I mean,

475
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: really really bad. You add to that KO the fact

476
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 1: that he's had a lackluster few years. He's been ohen

477
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 1: six since that I'll Beat Your Ass song came out,

478
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: and now he's gonna be forty years of age. I

479
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 1: think in April pretty soon, is it time for Tyron

480
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: Woodley to retire? He seems to think he's got four

481
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: more fights in twenty twenty two. Do you believe him?

482
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't believe that comment when I heard

483
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: him say it. You know, don't don't don't cry, you know,

484
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: don't cry for me, guys, I'm gonna be back in

485
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 2: facting me back four times. Yikes. You know, maybe this

486
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 2: is Tyron just really trying to you know, cash out

487
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 2: what's left of his name to build that retirement. There's

488
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 2: no you know, pension he's falling into here, so you

489
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: can understand that. But Luke, he's gonna get hurt. You know,

490
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 2: there's there's different levels of matchmaking. Of course, could he

491
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Speaker 2: draw you know, a dec in paycheck and against another

492
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: MMA fighter in a boxing absolutely, there's there's things that

493
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 2: can be done. You can go join Triller triad and

494
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 2: fill out an undercard for sure. I don't know, Luke,

495
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 2: I don't see h you know, I see a failure

496
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 2: to launch that. It's been a big narrative in his

497
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: last you know, six total fights and I and that

498
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 2: change is not going to get any better when you

499
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 2: take shots like that. So this is the fight game

500
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: when you can still you know, look good and make

501
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: weight in that cash cash is sitting there. I'm sure

502
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna try his best to get in a big fight,

503
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 2: but Luke, I would not advise him under any circumstances.

504
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,239
Speaker 2: You know, the wars add up and you're seeing a

505
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 2: compromised former great fighter here just trying his best to

506
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 2: stay relevant at this point.

507
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: I think that's right.

508
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, part of the way he got two

509
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: of these fights is that Woodley is a very very

510
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: smart guy and a very gifted orator and a clever,

511
00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: hard working, successful self promoter. The guy knows how to

512
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: promote himself. He's known how to promote himself, believe it

513
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: or not, for quite a long time. He got at

514
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: odds with the UFC right after he got the title,

515
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: and I understand that. But if you just pay attention

516
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: to what Woodley's been doing, even in the UFC, but

517
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: certainly since then, it's pretty obvious the guy knows how

518
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: to promote a fight really well and was a very

519
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: worthy adversary in that promotional sense for Jake Paul. And

520
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: so I don't think that ability goes away over night. BC.

521
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: He can talk himself, I think, and I'm not even

522
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: saying that pejoratively, but I do think he can talk

523
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: himself into potentially a couple of opportunities. But I think

524
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: you articulated the reality, dude. He hasn't thrown really aggressively

525
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: except for that Luka fight, and even then, he got finished,

526
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: and this one he got finished too. You know, since

527
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: what the Darren Till or Demi and Maya fight or

528
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 1: something like that, something insane, we're talking to years where

529
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: she's shown life basically inside of the fighting surface. And

530
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: then you add to the fact that he got viciously

531
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: chaot in his last fight, and you add to the

532
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: fact that like when he's out there, he's not exactly

533
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: like putting on the kind of fights that promoters dream of.

534
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he can't get gigs or that I

535
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: have enough neurological information to make a judgment about his brain,

536
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: but at this point, like you have consistently sold a

537
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: product quite well, You've give him that, but that never

538
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: really delivered on the other side from his contributions to it.

539
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 1: You know what, promoter do I think he can get

540
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: another contract with a promoter? Yeah, but like, how's that

541
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: going to be any different? Like he is gonna have

542
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: to be he can't will himself out of it.

543
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: And I feel like he's gonna have to go far

544
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: down the food chain, meaning you know, b KFC or

545
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: Triller Triad or something like That's that's what's going to

546
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: be available to him. If you know, and can he

547
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: win in those fights? Can he suddenly change you know,

548
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: skin and be and be an aggressive fighter again? I

549
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: had good hopes for this one, Luke, but boy did

550
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: we find out quickly that wasn't that wasn't the case.

551
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: How much do do these two losses, and obviously the

552
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: nature of the second one, how much should they how

553
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: much will they affect his MMA legacy?

554
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: See this is where you know, we had a little

555
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: debate with with Ariejwani when he sat down with us

556
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: on pregame preview, and I completely disagree with his sentiment that,

557
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: you know, for for Tyrant or even Ben Askrin, that

558
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: that's gonna be some kind of stain, that that's gonna

559
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: be the first or second line of their obituary someday. No,

560
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: this looks how many of our heroes, from you know,

561
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: Muhammad al Lei to everyone have you know, at the

562
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 2: end of the run done crossover wrestling or exhibition fights

563
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: or you know, in a case of a Roy Jones

564
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: hung on for over a decade in just ways that

565
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 2: didn't make a lot of sense to us at a

566
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 2: very low level professionally. None of that, none of that

567
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 2: follows you out in terms of what your true legacy is.

568
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: Tyron Woodley's true legacy has already written in stone. He

569
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: was one of the better modern UFC champions, and you know,

570
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: at worst, like you and I were arguing the fourth

571
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: or fifth best UFC welterweight champion in history, he had

572
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: a very underrated run on top. And it was part

573
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: of that was because the promotion never saw eye to

574
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: eye and were able to give him the love he deserved.

575
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't see how even being part of a viral

576
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: memed knockout against a guy fifteen years younger in a

577
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: sport you never competed in, I don't see how that

578
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 2: holds and lingers as a stain against you. That kind

579
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: of stuff goes away quickly, you know, in the same

580
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: way Luke that you know, was it fun that we

581
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: sat there and argue, or that I sat there and

582
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 2: argued with Floyd Midweather that time that we had, you know,

583
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 2: time with him about his resume and brought up the

584
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: old argument. Even that Luke is gonna go away. You know,

585
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: you know, time heals a lot of this sort of

586
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: sort of stuff, the banter, whether it's fueled on the

587
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,239
Speaker 2: right things or not. Time has a way of just

588
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: you know, removing that stain and you remember the good

589
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: I don't see how this will be remotely close in

590
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: terms of you know, who was Tyron Woodley? Oh, oh yeah,

591
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: he was the guy that Jake Paul No, No, he

592
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: wasn't that guy. He was that guy at all. We're

593
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: not going to talk about that, you know, five years

594
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: from now.

595
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: I tend to think you're probably right. You know, it

596
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: doesn't undo this dars choke we see here on Tyrone

597
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: Woodley or excuse me, Darren till. It doesn't undo a

598
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: lot of the great things he was able to accomplish

599
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: and setting the blueplearn on how to beat Demi and

600
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: Maya or even wonder Boy to an extent. You know,

601
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: he did a lot of impressive things. I think you're right.

602
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 1: I mean, the boxing doesn't counteract that. Here's what I

603
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: will say, though it's not really about Tyrone per se,

604
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: but about MMA fighters who keep doing this kind of thing.

605
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: I will say that I do.

606
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: Think that you won't feel it now, but I just

607
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: wonder dude, and I don't have a clear answer for

608
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: this one, but I just can't keep seeing MMA fighters

609
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: sign up to box take L's and think that that

610
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: won't affect MMA over time. I think it will. How

611
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: and exactly what ways, I don't know. And I realized

612
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: the caveats. You're getting the guys at the end of

613
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: their run, You're getting guys who weren't necessarily great strikers.

614
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: You're getting all different kinds of stuff. But dude, you

615
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: keep signing up for occasions where the public things that

616
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: you at least have a fighting chance, and then you

617
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: keep losing. And again, this is not merely on Tyre,

618
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: and this is on the broad array of fighters who

619
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: have tried this. I just feel like that that that

620
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: Bill is gonna come do eventually in a way, and

621
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: how much I don't know.

622
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: Bill, Like what what's the issue? Oh, the casual fans

623
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: will think MMAS fighters are bad at boxing, Like who

624
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: cares like that? That kind of I don't get where

625
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: that's gonna have some time?

626
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: That does That does a couple of things if the

627
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: if the public really begins to accept that idea, because

628
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: but right, dude, the only reason that you can do

629
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: these fights is that they don't.

630
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: They don't accept that.

631
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: They accept that the MMA fighter has enough skill that

632
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: he should easily be able to get rid of this

633
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: Jake Paul or whoever the fuck or that you never

634
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: know with Connor McGregor against Mayweather, and it's totally out

635
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: to lunch, Like, it's not that, it's just making MMA

636
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: look bad, dude, that you can only sell these fights

637
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: predicated on the idea that like Nate Diaz can outbox

638
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: Jake Paul, But like what if he can't, What if

639
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: he actually goes in there and gets tuned up? What

640
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: are you doing to the identity of the sport when

641
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: you guys can't beat Maywe Okay, you can't beat Madeweather,

642
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: you can't also beat Jake Paul. The only thing I

643
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: think I think I think it's wrong to look at

644
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: the sport and be like, oh, yeah, no, harm will

645
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: come of it by consistently taking ls.

646
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell the opposite to you, Okay, is it great?

647
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: Pr No? And I think Jake's smart to say, look, Dana,

648
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm killing your business one by one. I'm you know, no,

649
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: You're you're killing his retired, washed up fighters that he

650
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: let go to be fair, But Luke, it's it's only

651
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: actually helps fuel MMA in the long run. Why because

652
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: it exposes the major flaw with this great sport at

653
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: the highest level, which is fighter pay. That's the only

654
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: thing it does. So seeing that this is more of

655
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: an option, well, one day, Dana White, go man, I'm

656
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: sick of seeing my former champions get knocked out by

657
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: this kid. I don't think he will soon, you know.

658
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: And so unless until we have fighter page actually change,

659
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: this only helps the fighter pay argument. You know, It's like,

660
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: let's be fair, luke. MMA doesn't have a great look

661
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: in the casual audience anyway, right, It's a fighting sport

662
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: in a damn cage. You ask people like my dad,

663
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: they still think you're doing bare knuckle and you're biting.

664
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: Most people don't have a clue anyway. So you they

665
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: lost boxing matches to a YouTuber. That's gonna kill the

666
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: image of mme. No, no, it's only gonna help fighters.

667
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: That's not I mean, when when in the last five

668
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: minutes have I said it's going to kill MMA?

669
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: What's the fear?

670
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: Then?

671
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: What's the what's the long term effects that are gonna

672
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: come do that you're offering? What's the what do they

673
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: have to pay? Here?

674
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Speaker 1: Well, partly these things are difficult to predict. And I'm

675
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: saying as much explicitly, But what I am trying to

676
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: articulate is you are making these fights. They're not possible.

677
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: If people don't believe that Nate Diaz has a chance,

678
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: they're just you can't do it otherwise.

679
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: And what I'm saying is.

680
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Speaker 1: The accumulative weight of MMA fighters consistently being like, yeah,

681
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: I'll sign up for that shit. Fuck everyone, I'm gonna

682
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: do great. And then they consistently Anderson Silva's bucking this

683
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: trend a little bit. We'll see what happens with him,

684
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: but there's enough of this happening where you're, like Jesus,

685
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: they keep fucking losing. I think the public will start

686
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: to reshape their minds around exactly how good a MMA

687
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: is actually. And then, also more importantly, MMA striking, like

688
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: there is a level of there is a level of

689
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Speaker 1: elevated sense of MMA striker's ability that's gonna come down

690
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 1: to earth a little bit. Dude, Like MMA fighters are

691
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: it turns out they're actually not very good boxers, and

692
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: people thought that they were much better. I'm saying that's

693
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: going to catch up over time if this keeps happening,

694
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Speaker 1: And I think some of how that impacts the sport

695
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: is a little bit unpredictable.

696
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, not good.

697
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a good impact for the sport. What

698
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: is it gonna do force people to go, oh crap,

699
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: you know, I should pick up my boxing, you know,

700
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: and maybe we see, you know, a revolution in terms

701
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: of the training trends. Where where guys are I mean

702
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: it's not that they am fighters haven't already been training

703
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: with boxing trainers and doing that, but really kicking it

704
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: on a deeper level. I just don't see anything negative

705
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: there when it's like, this bubble's gonna burst eventually, whether

706
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: it's a Jake Paul lost Luke, the bubble's gonna burst eventually,

707
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: even if it's just wearing down the public's appetite. If

708
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: your argument is that public not believing MMA fighters can

709
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: win one, well, that helped pop the balloon. It might,

710
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: but the balloon's gonna pop anyway, Luke. Is my sort

711
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: of argument on that.

712
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I certainly agree that the balloon's gonna pop eventually.

713
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: It's hard to know where at this point given the

714
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: spectacular Ko win that he scored, but I guess I

715
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: would just say this is our final thought. Again, I

716
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how it will impact. I just tend

717
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: to worry about it a little bit. The other thing

718
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: I would say is, I'm not suggesting you're committing this.

719
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: I think you're thinking promotionally. But inside of MMA, most fans, fighters, promoters,

720
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: everybody in it is an MMA acolyte. Like they see

721
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: MMA as a thing that they love and they want

722
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: to attach themselves to, and they have made their career

723
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: arounds and inside MMA, what I've noticed is there is

724
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: a very strong inclination to never accept criticism about MMA,

725
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: like there can be nothing about it that you can

726
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: say that to disperch it, Like everyone who bespirched excuse me,

727
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: Everyone who is a announcer is a great announcer. Every

728
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: fighter is a great fighter. Aren't these the best kind

729
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: of fights? Aren't these the best kind of evenings? Aren't

730
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: these guys actually well paid? There's this con stanton need

731
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: inside of mm A, this like deep thumb sucking need

732
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: to make sure that every part of mm A is great.

733
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: And if there's any lesson Actually since May Withhi McGregor,

734
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: we kind of knew before, but it has only been reaffirmed,

735
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: is that they're not great boxers, not by a long shot.

736
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: They're actually quite poor at it, and there is not

737
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: enough of an external recognition of that fact. Now again

738
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: we know the caveats. You're not getting Anderson Silvans prime,

739
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: you're not getting Israel to Sonya and his prime, and

740
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: of course those guys actually have direct boxing experience. But

741
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: it also sort of goes to show here that this

742
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: this there's a there's a there's a reflex in the

743
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: sport that refuses to acknowledge any shortcoming about it.

744
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: And I'm trying to explain to.

745
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: Folks, Dude, Jake Paul, it only exists because he is

746
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: playing mm A.

747
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: That is it.

748
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: He is playing the industry, he is playing these fibers.

749
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: He is playing I.

750
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Speaker 1: Don't think I just did. I did two radio shows

751
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: this morning. Let me explain to you.

752
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: People don't get that.

753
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: They don't get that, Yeah, because I don't think it's

754
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: a form form form thought, Luke. I think it's it's

755
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: very artistic and abstract, but it doesn't really have a

756
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: soul to it. And what I'm saying is like, it's

757
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: like you don't look at the best of cathletes in

758
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: the world and say, Okay, it's cool, you can do

759
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: all those events at once, but go try to beat

760
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: the best sprinter, Go try to beat the best you know,

761
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: javelin thrower. No, it's a well rounded event.

762
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: Then why does Dana White care that his guys keep losing?

763
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: Forget the money pay?

764
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: He doesn't care, dude. That's he let those guys go, don't.

765
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a little naive to think that

766
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: he watched Tyron Woodley crash to the canvas and thought, gee,

767
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: this has zero impact on move whatsoever.

768
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: I bet tell you what I'll tell you right now

769
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: doesn't enough.

770
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: He doesn't care enough to fuck with his short term business.

771
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: But the idea that Dana White watched that and thought

772
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: to himself, I don't care about this at all, I

773
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: think is fantasy.

774
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: Okay, well if that's you, If that's your argument, fine,

775
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: But your original argument was that he cared enough to

776
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: like not want to see it. Dude, he doesn't care

777
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: about Woodley, He let him go. He doesn't care about Asker.

778
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: And if he cared, he would be finding in his

779
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: stable the one person that he thinks would have the

780
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: best chance at beat Jake and knock through him out.

781
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: He would you think he would be listen you think listen? No, No, dude,

782
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna pick apart one part of my thing and

783
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: go on some radio show rant. I'm telling you right now,

784
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: if he actually cared, he would find somebody to fight

785
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 2: and beat Jake and co promote. But he doesn't care enough. Look,

786
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: because Jake's beating old guys, and I mean, you gotta

787
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: see that.

788
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: Your argument is that if Dana White wanted to put

789
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: it into this, he could release Adasania from contract and

790
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: then just stop this whole thing.

791
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: You think that actually cared to the level that you're.

792
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: Take that fucking fight, dude, Jake Paul wouldn't take that

793
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: fight in a million. The whole idea is to feast

794
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: off of the things that are feastable. We all not

795
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: to do the impossible.

796
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,959
Speaker 2: So what what? So where's your argument that Dana sits

797
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: there and he's angry after watching it?

798
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: Even that one one.

799
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: I've talked to some folks that have given me some

800
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: inside information that I'm tying, not specifically, but like in

801
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: general that Jake Paul making NIMA fighters look bad.

802
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: They don't like at UC brass.

803
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: What's gonn come with that? Lead with that? Don't say

804
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: you fear it and then you can't back it up

805
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: if you're if you're back up.

806
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: To talk about my I was like, I'm allowed to

807
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: talk about my fears on the show. I'm not making

808
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: you a concrete claim about where it goes. I don't

809
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: know where any of this goes. I just noticed, Dude,

810
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: I've been in this industry for fifteen years. No one

811
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: likes talking about its bad parts. No one likes admitting

812
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: when it looks bad. No one likes talking about where

813
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: bad shit is headed. Ever, and we have a situation

814
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: here where I don't know what's going to happen. I'm

815
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: merely telling you I am skeptical of the idea. That's

816
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: all I can say. I am very skeptical of the

817
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: idea that you can keep trotting this out and that

818
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: MMA's image won't take a hit how much in what ways?

819
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: Dude? You're right. I cannot tell you, but I am.

820
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: I just fear, and everyone's like, eh, and everyone's going

821
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: to kind of get it, and this is just a thing. No,

822
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: there are consequences to these kinds of things in life,

823
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: and how they can be meted out is a little

824
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: bit unpredictable. I'll say that now you're BC.

825
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: You're looking when We're more on this topic check out

826
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Speaker 2: Extra Credit today only.

827
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't go into this all right. With that

828
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: in mind, though, we can put a bow on the

829
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: Jake Paul thing. A. The year is over, and remember

830
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: he signed a two fight deal with Showtime now BC,

831
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: let me ask you about this. The question is as follows,

832
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: what can we say about Paul's experiment right with Showtime

833
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: now that the two fights have happened. Of course, caveat

834
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: we collected check from Showtime. It's the thing we should acknowledge.

835
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: And two, I want to be careful about how I

836
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: mean this. Before Jake Paul was taken on, Ben Askern,

837
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: who we all knew was like barely even trying, showed

838
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: up looking terrible and it was part of this whole

839
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: triller crazy thing.

840
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 3: What was interesting to me about what Jake.

841
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: Paul was trying was that he was like, oh right,

842
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: let me get with an established name in boxing that

843
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: does put on relevant boxing weekend week out, that kind

844
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: of a thing, and let me see if I can

845
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: take this circusy thing in conjunction with a real thing

846
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: and then produce something more of a real thing.

847
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: Did it work?

848
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Through two fights, and we don't know the specifics

849
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: of Jake Steel. I remember Logan speculated once in an

850
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: interview to me that it was two fights. Showtimes never

851
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: publicly announced that, so could they have reupt Is there more?

852
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the status is. But through two

853
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 2: fights of this experiment cut it's worked. You know, Jake

854
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: Paul's knockout worked on Triller these two fights in a row,

855
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: with the build, with his audience, with his flare for promotion,

856
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: it worked. But a lot of what worked again was

857
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: that beautiful knockout on top of it, and that's something

858
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: he can deliver. So you take the momentum and you

859
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: go with it. Matchmaking is always gonna be key. You're

860
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: gonna need fights that people want to talk about from

861
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: the personalities involved, but also you know, the fear of

862
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: potentially losing, and there are matchups out there. I mean,

863
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: we don't really know how good of a boxer Tommy

864
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: Fury is. I think Jake looks better so far, but

865
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: you know, that's certainly a viable fight. I'd love to

866
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: see him against Anderson Silva. There are some fun ones

867
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: you can make, but to act at all this deep

868
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: into it, what five pro fights now four knockouts that

869
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: Jake Paul is a is just a a side act

870
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: and not taking into account the actual disrupting he's doing

871
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: in the boxing business, that would be naive. This is,

872
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: you know again, it may not play exclusively to hardcore

873
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: boxing fans, but to be fair pay per view fights,

874
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: they're really to be fair pay per view fights are

875
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: aimed at the casuals, aimed at inciting casuals to open

876
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: their eyes. Jake Paul knows how to do that too,

877
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: So let's give him him his respect when he says,

878
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, look at the history I made this year.

879
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: You really historically can't find people through three, four or

880
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: five pro fights who have drawn this big of an

881
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: audience and got people to care. So what Jake Paul

882
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: is doing, it's smart and it's working, and they're, like

883
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: we've debated many times, are some much bigger fish out

884
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 2: there if he could align himself and draw them in.

885
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: They're his goal of two hundred and fifty million. It's

886
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: in play here, Luke. This is working right now. So

887
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna be, you know, close watching the matchmaking and

888
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: the pluses and minuses of each one. But this Jake

889
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: Paul experiment shows you that even if you're not presenting

890
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 2: the most elite product, you can get boxing to care

891
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: and you can get the the you know, the general

892
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: fan to care about this because there is something pure

893
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 2: and simple about boxing that sort of crosses age lines

894
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: and it crosses experience lines at times with the guys

895
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: in the ring, because it's really the projection of the

896
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: human struggle. Luke, I mean, that's what it is. And

897
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: you know Jake's had to go through a little bit

898
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: of that times in the ring, and boy did he

899
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: did he persevere in this moment however you thought the

900
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: fight was living up to that moment. I don't want to, like,

901
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to go as far as saying, is

902
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: he included in the Fighter of the Year ballot?

903
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 5: Now?

904
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: Well, no, he's not on that level. No, but that's

905
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: a knockout of the year contender. And when you're talking

906
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: about boxing's most viable brands, Luke, where does Jake fit

907
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: into that sentence two three? I mean it's right there.

908
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: Dude, I mean as like promotional entities that kind of

909
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: a thing.

910
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of.

911
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: He's up there, I agree he's up there. And I

912
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: would also agree that the KO is you can put

913
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: it in a discussion of Ko of the year the

914
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: overall year itself, I would not give to him, not

915
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: even close, but that Ko is certainly quite nice.

916
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: I would say this.

917
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I was curious to see what would happened

918
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: when you took this because for a time Jake was

919
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: a little bit associated with like that Triller sort of sensibility.

920
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: And then he came to showtime and I was like, Okay,

921
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: what exactly can they do for each other here? And

922
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: I think the first fight would show you that they

923
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: can produce a fight that could sell really well and

924
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: be promoted frankly like any other big name fight. I mean,

925
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: that fight was expertly promoted at the time. People can

926
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: say what they want, it was. The sales were great

927
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: this one. I don't think. I think the sales are

928
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: going to come way back down to earth. And again,

929
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: for a lot of different circumstances, Tommy probably wasn't the

930
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: same kind of draw Woodley was. Then Woodley fills in

931
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: on two weeks notice and blah blah, blah blah blah.

932
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: What I would say is, did they show that there

933
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: was a really viable market for the right kind of

934
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: audience for this thing, no doubt about it. My only

935
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: thing where it goes in the future, I don't know.

936
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: In fact, that's the only thing I could possibly say

937
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: at this point is I think there's enough stuff, enough

938
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: material BC where if they can find the right opponent,

939
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: whoever that may be, and they can promote it as

940
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: they had against Woodley, this is a very This is

941
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: a thing that Canon will continue like, there's just no

942
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: denying it. But and this is true of every fighter,

943
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit predicated on some things working out.

944
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: If Nate Diaz doesn't leave UFC. You know, Tommy is

945
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: a decent opponent, but he's not going to sell what

946
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: Nate does. Or Jorge never goes, or if Connor never goes,

947
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: he needs a few escalating opponents to get him to

948
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: his ultimate goal in a way that's a little bit

949
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: less achievable in certain ways than other things for boxing.

950
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: But can those two forces united make this work for at.

951
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 3: Least a little while longer?

952
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Canon, it looks a lot like regular boxing

953
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: in terms of the promotional side when they do.

954
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: Luke, we don't use this name often in this conversation.

955
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: What about GSP, What are the time war time limit

956
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: considerations on his expiring UFCD.

957
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't know when he's out. I think it's pretty soon.

958
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty twenty two, right, maybe twenty twenty

959
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: three at the most.

960
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: That's a big fight you want to like, just like

961
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: Anderson Silva is, and I think the difference is the size.

962
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: With a smaller GSP who's been relatively inactive, that's still

963
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: a big fight. Luke, big big.

964
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: That's a huge fight.

965
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: And it'll be hard to handicap there because you you know,

966
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: we know GSP's got a great job.

967
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: We've seen it.

968
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: But how would it translated this age to boxing and

969
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Yeah, I mean that's another name potentially

970
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: if they could recruit him. This is what I mean

971
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: is if you can find a couple of the right

972
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: names and you sell it like you did against Tyron,

973
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: which is doable.

974
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: Jake is a dude. Jake's a talented promoter. I will

975
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 3: give him credit.

976
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 2: That's got false who are false? The future of Jake's

977
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: career in terms of length, yes, it's always going to

978
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: be predicated on wins. Not that he couldn't lose one

979
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: and keep going or whatever, but it's predicated on success,

980
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: as would anyone in this spot. But how much is

981
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: it predic upon his availability of big name opponents, Because

982
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: if if we are six months from now seeing him,

983
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: you know, picking around the bottom of the barrel, trying

984
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: to find somebody that they can sell, that's got to

985
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: be the decider and how much longer he's gonna want

986
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: to keep doing this, because let's be fair, he can

987
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: make a lot of money doing whatever he wants. Whether

988
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: it's your cup of tea or not. It's it's a

989
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: it's a hot, open market in terms of this influencer

990
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: YouTube all that stuff. God, we're on YouTube crushing it

991
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: when in big awards. You get my point. If the

992
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: UFC shop closes up completely, it could get it. It

993
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: could be you know, it could be really bad.

994
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: It could be it could be don't I don't know

995
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: what he would do. I mean, you mentioned like, oh,

996
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: no one's had this kind of a claim through five fights,

997
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: which is one hundred percent true. But the difference is

998
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: that the people who are doing this for real against

999
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: the people who are making, you know, making a push

1000
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: towards the top of their respective divisions, they're I mean, yes,

1001
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: they want to make more money by their fifth fight,

1002
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: But they're actually just getting ready so that when they

1003
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: have their twin fifth fight, they can beat someone really

1004
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: good and make good money. Jake is doing the opposite

1005
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: of that. He is front loading his career and then

1006
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: I would imagine getting the fuck out. So they're not

1007
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: comparing apples to apples in that sense. But yeah, I

1008
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: tend to think they made it work. I tend to

1009
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: think that it's a it's a narrow universe. But I'll

1010
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: say this too, dude, you would agree if a couple

1011
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: of fights break his way, that's all he really needs.

1012
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: If he got two of the three, right, if he

1013
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: got forget GSBO do I agree, it's a totally workable thing.

1014
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: But let's just for a sake of example. If he

1015
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: got Connor, Jorge and Nate and got two of those three, dude,

1016
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: how I mean he's on his way at that point, right.

1017
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 2: I got one more name for you, Okay, it tell

1018
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: if I'm crazy?

1019
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: All right, all right, you are crazy?

1020
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: Well beab Nor Maga medal.

1021
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: It's a little too crazy, I have to agree.

1022
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he would ever want to. But

1023
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 2: let's not forget his name was linked to Floyd for

1024
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: a while, even though we were all groaning, could he

1025
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: do it legally? I mean, can you just retire from

1026
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 2: the UFC and say I'm done with you guys? Sorry,

1027
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm going this.

1028
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: Other Catur tried that and Dana's famous words where you

1029
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: can't retire from a contract.

1030
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: So no, he couldn't do it.

1031
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about UFC before our audience completely

1032
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: stabs us in the face the next time they see us.

1033
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this last UFC fight card. UFC's twenty

1034
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: twenty one is in the books, and the main event

1035
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: for it was the Black Beast, Yes, getting it done

1036
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: against Chris Dawcas in the first BC. You were right

1037
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: about Derek Lewis. I will give you credit for it.

1038
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,959
Speaker 1: I will acknowledge it up front, and I will say,

1039
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: as I pitch you the first question, why did he win?

1040
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: In your mind?

1041
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: Was Chris daucas overmatched or are we still underestimating me?

1042
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: Included Derek Lewis.

1043
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: I think a little bit of both, but more toward

1044
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: the former. Look, this was Chris Dugas's chance. Is he

1045
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: better than we thought he was at this moment and

1046
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: he had that chance to jump forward. I just thought,

1047
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: you know, there was a too much uphill battle, and

1048
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: I think to your second point, Lewis, Look, I'll give

1049
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: Lewis a lot of credit. I thought he's gonna disappear

1050
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 2: after that DC loss. I thought that was him putting

1051
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: it together for one night for the big title, and

1052
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: he came up empty. He stayed very relevant, not just

1053
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 2: the guy who as openly going after the biggest purses available.

1054
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: And he was hilarious in the post fight god taking

1055
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: the cup off and thrown to the I mean, look,

1056
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: he's great, He's great, right. I didn't think he would

1057
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: stay this fresh this, you know. I mean, a slugger

1058
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: is always gonna be able to go through certain rebirths.

1059
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: But he hasn't really slipped all that far. I mean

1060
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: he's rebuilt himself a couple of times in huge ways.

1061
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: This was a bad matchup for Daucas because he was

1062
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: gonna have to show an extreme level of chin toughness

1063
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 2: to be able to set up the type of shots,

1064
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: and he's great boxer, love his combinations that could have success.

1065
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: Lewis is just never out of a fight and it

1066
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: was fairly impressive to see him do it this quickly

1067
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 2: to Daucas. I mean that was a violent vicious knockout.

1068
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: So I don't want praise because I called this, Luke,

1069
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: I was just upsetting you at the preview show that

1070
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: you weren't really understanding my point. Okay. My point was

1071
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: that these two that you got to throw out the stats, bro,

1072
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: So throw that shit out at the end of the day.

1073
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: All right, Well, the question is which stats are the

1074
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: most important ones, not that they're not useful, but you're

1075
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: right in this particular case. You know what's amazing to me,

1076
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: I actually feel like Chris Ducas. I still think pretty

1077
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: highly of him, although you're right, he didn't really show

1078
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: up in this fight. It was kind of Once once

1079
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: Dawcas got pushed behind the black line along the fence,

1080
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 1: it was basically over at that point.

1081
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: It was pretty quick, but I put out a little

1082
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 3: video about it.

1083
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: Because I was rewatching it this morning and I was like, huh,

1084
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis is a clever little guy.

1085
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 3: He does this jumping.

1086
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: Basically what happened was in the fight, Dawcas was far away,

1087
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: and Lewis is not the kind of guy to like

1088
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: stalk a guy and then corner him. He's not very

1089
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: effective at that. He lets him roam a little bit

1090
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: for at least in long stretches of the fight, but

1091
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: eventually he realized this is not going anywhere or maybe

1092
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: he could win that way, but it wasn't, you know,

1093
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: It's just fairly evenish fight. So he notices that when

1094
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: he throws anything, Dawcas backs up big time. So he

1095
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: does this jumping roundhouse kick, which looks kind of crazy,

1096
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: but if you'll notice what does Dacas do. He backs

1097
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: up all the way to the fence line behind the

1098
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: black line, and from there you see him cut off

1099
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: the corner. At that point because now Dacas can't lean back,

1100
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: he can't move back, and he's kind of stuck side

1101
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: to side. He faints him a little bit, throws a

1102
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: left hook, and then he even hits an inside trip

1103
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: as Dawcas tries to come off to push him.

1104
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: Back along the fence.

1105
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: My point being is, dude, that's crafty by Derek Klubs

1106
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: to get it, to get a guy backed up like that,

1107
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: and now, like in space, he's kind of hard to

1108
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 1: hit up against the fence.

1109
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 3: Dude, his target practice.

1110
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: You got to give him credit his evolution to work

1111
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: around his inefficiencies, work around the things that he's not

1112
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 2: good at, and he's not trying to be good at

1113
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: He's a very smart fighter, like I said, to be

1114
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: able to linger even these years later from what looked

1115
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: like his mountaintop point to come back and look, he

1116
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: is a very viable piece in this heavyweight title picture,

1117
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: which of course includes Cyril Ghn the interim champion and

1118
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: in gon To the full champion, having that fight in

1119
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 2: January that we can't wait for. But Luke, even though

1120
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: I don't think the UFC will go this direction, could

1121
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: you imagine Derek Lewis versus John Jones right now, even

1122
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: if you had to throw an unnecessary interim title on

1123
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: top of it just to make it an even sexier

1124
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: pay per view main event, that fight right now would

1125
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: be very interesting because mostly Lewis is raw enough in

1126
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: certain categories that you could see John having good success

1127
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: in being John and doing what he does, but also

1128
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: being under the gun and being you know, in the

1129
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: danger zone for a KO for as long as it

1130
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: would last. That would be an incredible piece of theater

1131
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: to see John Jones' debut on that level.

1132
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: And also, you know, Derek Lewis doesn't have the best

1133
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: takedown defense, but John Jones's takedown ability has I won't

1134
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: say collapse, but it has declined over time. You know,

1135
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: it probably gets Lewis down, but I wouldn't say it's automatic.

1136
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: And if he can't get Lewis down because obviously a

1137
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: lot of trouble with Reyes, with Silva, less so with

1138
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: Anthony Smith. But you get the idea, it's not automatic

1139
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: and if he couldn't do, Derek Lewis as a problem

1140
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 1: for everybody. And I think you're right, Like, the big

1141
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: lesson of Derek Lewis's career is not that he figured

1142
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: out how to be better than he was. Of course

1143
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: he's made improvements, but that you know, he's not trying

1144
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: to be every fighter in every scenario. He kind of

1145
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: likes the fighter that he is, so what he decides

1146
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: to do is just try and guide the fight if

1147
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: he can, into scenarios that are winnable for him, that

1148
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: are advantageous for him. It's smart. He didn't waste a

1149
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: lot of energy. He took his time. But even with

1150
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: not wasting energy and not taking his time, he A

1151
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: scores the finish and B does it in the first round.

1152
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: Chris Dawkas was really never in this. They were just

1153
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: kind of even for about two thirds of the round

1154
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: until Derek Lewis took charge. It's brilliant, it's very smart,

1155
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: and he's only thirty six.

1156
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: We see, that's young for him.

1157
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: You know, and obviously when he's healthy, he's a different fighter.

1158
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: Because what I was going to say is, you know

1159
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: what we haven't had in a while complete Derek Lewis

1160
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: collapsed within a fight, which has happened a few times,

1161
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: even if he saved him in some of these fights

1162
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: with with late knockouts. I mean, what was the fight

1163
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of recently Luke where he just he just

1164
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: wasn't you know, we haven't had that in a while.

1165
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: Gone.

1166
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it is gone that you know he

1167
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: got stopped. Yeah, I mean he really it just you know,

1168
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: Gon's a different argument because Gone is just so good

1169
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: that who knows that could be what happens in that

1170
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: matchup every time for all we know. But it's been

1171
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: a while, maybe the the JDS fight back in twenty nineteen,

1172
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: where you know, he was controlling that fight until he

1173
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: got stopped. And you know, look, fatigue is his issue

1174
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: and it looks great when these fights end in the

1175
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 2: first round. But even he was joking afterwards, can I

1176
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: get a three round title fight? But we haven't had

1177
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: that in a real you know self implosion in a

1178
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: while from him, and I wonder if that's due to

1179
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: his health, Lucaus, when his back is feeling good, man,

1180
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 2: he's a different fighter.

1181
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in the UFC Okay, early on he

1182
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: lost to Mittrion and Jordan, but since then he's only

1183
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: lost to Mark Hunt, Daniel Cormier, JDS and then Cyril

1184
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: Gone like basically championship fighters or something pretty close to it.

1185
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: And with Dawcas he now has the most the record

1186
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: for the most knockout wins in the UFC at thirteen.

1187
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: It's fucking impressive, man. And I would also argue it's

1188
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: kind of funny, you know you mentioned the JDS fight.

1189
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: It's so interesting.

1190
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: JDS isn't even in the UFC and here's Derek Lewis

1191
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: with another fucking win on his resume and that fight

1192
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: was just in March of twenty nineteen, almost little less

1193
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: than three years ago. It's crazy, how you know, fortunes

1194
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: can change or just slowly mutate over time to keep

1195
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: one guy in one guy out, even if the other

1196
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: guy has the win. It's He's an incredible career and

1197
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: he's not done yet, not by a long shot, provided

1198
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: he could stay motivated and healthy.

1199
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: The fight I was referencing, which I forgot, was in

1200
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, the Alea Latifi fight for Derek Lewis, was

1201
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: one of those where you're like, oh, okay, he's back

1202
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: on that shit again. You know, like he looked bad.

1203
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 2: He struggled to get up off the canvas and fight

1204
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: off a close decision there. But yeah, man, can you

1205
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 2: imagine him against and Ghano in a rematch under any circumstance,

1206
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: whether it's for the title or whether they're both coming

1207
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 2: off losses. Luke, We're gonna see that one day, and

1208
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be like the first one.

1209
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 6: Bro.

1210
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm looking at this now. Showtime Sports

1211
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: put out this video forty seven minutes ago, so we

1212
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: were on the air for about ten minutes when they

1213
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: put it out. Jake Paul calls out Nate Diaz, Jorge Masvidal,

1214
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: and Dana White after brutal ko Is he picking a

1215
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: fight with the MMA industry or is he picking a fight?

1216
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 5: Oh?

1217
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he wants usman too. Look, let's not

1218
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: overlook that.

1219
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, and anyone he can really get,

1220
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: I think that he could effectively box all right, last,

1221
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: but not least, and we'll get to all of the

1222
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: UFC fights that we missed on extra credit, but for

1223
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: this one BC. We're not done yet in twenty twenty one,

1224
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: but we're basically done. What is one thing that happened

1225
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, either a trend or an event

1226
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: or something that we can say in combat sports now

1227
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: that the year is effectively over, what would tell me

1228
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: a highlight for twenty twenty one for you?

1229
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: Or a low light? I guess I.

1230
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: Mean, look at I'll say, you know, something we've been

1231
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: talking about the last few weeks specifically is just that

1232
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: this is you know, UFC TAP operating int twenty twenty

1233
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: one at full bloom, at full blossom of what the

1234
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: ESPN deal could mean about this era where suddenly, you know,

1235
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: the pay per view leverage of individual fighters just isn't

1236
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 2: there on the same level. And you know, this year

1237
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: was dominated by the UFC. Really across sports in general,

1238
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: you can argue, I mean, this is one of those

1239
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: rare years where they were just everything worked, everything seemed

1240
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 2: to be you know, on point. The big fights absolutely delivered.

1241
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: There were great surprises, any threats in the you know,

1242
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: real life COVID battle that affects travel and putting on events.

1243
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: UFC just has a way to bounce around that that.

1244
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 2: You know, twenty twenty one was great because both UFC

1245
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: and boxing delivered. We got big fights where you got

1246
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 2: a good level of consistency. But you know, the MVP

1247
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one in combat sports, it's got to

1248
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: be you know, Dana White and the UFC brass Luke,

1249
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: and I don't offer that easily as some sort of

1250
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: you know, kiss up because of you know, I'll show

1251
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: up in their hype videos that they want to take

1252
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: people down. I'll be the face of those, Luke. Yet,

1253
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta show respect when it's due. What

1254
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 2: what kind of trends have you seen this year?

1255
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: I was actually gonna say, forget about the whole Jake

1256
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: Paul thing. Just for boxing itself. It's funny that you

1257
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: highlight how good MMA is, and certainly UFC and I

1258
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: would agree they had a crazy good year and it

1259
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: was amazing. I'd actually argue, I think, you know, I

1260
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: hear from a lot of people Allo what kind of

1261
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: state is boxing? And we talked a little bit about this, Boderio,

1262
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: but like for me, you know, somebody who has been

1263
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: out of it and back into it, this was a

1264
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, BC, would you call it a banner year

1265
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: for boxing? Maybe not that, but it was a pretty

1266
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: fucking good one, dude. The heavyweight battles that yeah, dude,

1267
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: the Canelo saga that he put us through, and and

1268
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: and Manny Pacquiao retiring, and I mean, dude, this was

1269
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: a monumental year in boxing and d Zone. We were

1270
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: a little bit worried about their future in the sport

1271
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, but they rided the ship. Obviously, Eddie

1272
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: Eddie Hearn's doing great things over there with match Room. Certainly,

1273
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: Showtime was all firing on all cylinders. There was a

1274
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: couple of COVID fights or COVID incidents that you know,

1275
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: killed fights or whatever, but in general, and then even.

1276
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 3: Top rank, dude, I mean they did, dude.

1277
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: All the promoters are gonna look back in boxing, all

1278
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: the major promoters are gonna look back and be like,

1279
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: this was a great year for us, and I just

1280
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: don't want that to get lost. Like, you know, MMA

1281
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: is in a great space and we're all happy about that. Dude,

1282
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: Boxing's in a pretty good space too. I feel like, don't.

1283
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: You, I do agree with you right there. They've they've

1284
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 2: made a consistent stream of pay per views that have

1285
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: delivered where the matchup coming in, you know, mattered, And

1286
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: it wasn't so much of all that really rich guy

1287
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: is gonna fight that guy that we know he's gonna win. No,

1288
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 2: these fights have mattered. I mean, Fury, while there three

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00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: was actually one where you know, half of us were going,

1290
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: do we really need this right now? And that delivered

1291
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: one of the you know, most classic, all time insane fights. Look,

1292
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: if you would make a mount rushmore of the four

1293
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 2: faces that mattered most to define to combat sports in

1294
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, would it be fair to put Canelo

1295
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 2: on one, Jake Paul on one, maybe Dana White on one.

1296
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: Who would be the fourth spot loop.

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00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: For like biggest impact in the year. Yeah, I mean

1298
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put George Cambosa's, but he's not far from

1299
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: that list, right, I mean, it was a huge upset.

1300
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.

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00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: It's a tough one, but you get the idea, like

1302
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: boxing had a integral part of the combat sports. I

1303
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: don't know what boom per se, but I mean it's.

1304
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: A boxing like everyone say, you know, remember that that

1305
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: misguided look of if Jake Paul's having all the success

1306
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: in Triller, you know it's gonna kill actual boxing, and

1307
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: then the people that know go no, Actually, that's an

1308
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: indication that boxing is really healthy, because not only is

1309
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: traditional boxing putting out very good fights in successful pay

1310
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: per views, but now you've got BKFC flourishing, You've got

1311
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: the open lanes of Triller trying their different variations. You've

1312
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: got Jake Paul doing a consistent stretch of pay per views.

1313
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, business is great, Luke, You and I

1314
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: are you know we were doing Wall two.

1315
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: Luke, We're not doing too poorly before we get out

1316
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: of here, because I know the audience will be about

1317
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: it if I don't bring up something. Do you have

1318
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: any thoughts about Balah Muhammad defeating Wonder Boy and performance today?

1319
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: This was a breakthrough performance and it's not that he

1320
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: hadn't had a very good win streak along with the

1321
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: one no contest to Leon Edwards, but he did this

1322
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: in a manner which I just don't think any of

1323
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: us thought he was going to be able to dominate

1324
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: that convincingly, relying on his strengths of pressure and grappling,

1325
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: and and look he just I mean again, we haven't

1326
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: seen wonder boy handle just just that easily. So when

1327
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: he comes out afterwards and says, look, I want Husmann

1328
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 2: and if I can't get it, I want Leon Edwards

1329
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: and nothing else makes sense. He's earned it. He has

1330
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: damn right earned it, Luke, the hard way, like Charles

1331
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 2: Olivera going up the backstairs in the building and just

1332
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: winning whoever they put in front of him, whether the

1333
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: person's a lead or not, and building momentum in this

1334
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: wind streak. This is him coming full bloom. And he's

1335
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: an interesting test, Luke, you know what I mean. It's like,

1336
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: do I still peg this guy as a as a

1337
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: future champion? You know, I I have not the I'm

1338
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: not he's a full belief yet. But this was a

1339
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: major wake up call to anyone who is cynically on

1340
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: the other side, because he is a physical beast in there, Luke,

1341
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: and he has really raised his game from where it

1342
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: was four or five six years ago when we when

1343
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: we sort of regularly you know, knew who he was.

1344
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: Did we remember the name at that point a little bit?

1345
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: Now you better remember that face, that chess luke. This

1346
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: guy's coming.

1347
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was extremely impressed by this. Bal Mohammed is

1348
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: thirty three and is really you can see he's entering,

1349
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: if not already in his prime. I was amazed also

1350
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: at the ease with which he got takedowns, because all

1351
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: it seemed like he had to do was make contact

1352
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: at a level change with Wonder Boy against the fence,

1353
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: even from way outside, and he still had success the

1354
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: entire time, like going after Wonder Boy, not avoiding, not

1355
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: backing up, not trying some weird game plan. He just

1356
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: did it, sticking to his own strengths. I have not

1357
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: necessarily been not a believer in Balmahammed, but I needed

1358
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: to see proof to know exactly what we got here.

1359
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: And again, can he be kamor You know, that's a

1360
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: tough fight. But to your point, he's earned the right,

1361
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: certainly at a bare minimum, to call him out. He's

1362
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: earned the right to take on a fight with Leon Edwards.

1363
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: I do think he's a bit of a dark horse

1364
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: now for tidal aspirations in this division. That was his

1365
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: best win by far, and it wasn't even close. Do

1366
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: that fight almost didn't get out of the first round

1367
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: from Bala Mohammed because he's so strong, he found the back.

1368
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: I will say that, you know, putting some polish on

1369
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: his finishing ability is something that could.

1370
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 3: Still be worked on and would improve his chances.

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01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: But in terms of just a kind of performances overall

1372
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: that he's turning in and especially this one on Saturday,

1373
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: extremely extremely impressive.

1374
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: I like what he did, which is like we talked

1375
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 2: about it coming in with it just a three round

1376
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 2: fight as a co main event, and with the smaller cage,

1377
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: there was an angle to say, well, these advantages could

1378
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: really fall in Blalla's hands, and then he used those

1379
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: advantages exclusively and dominantly. I mean, look, you know, he

1380
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: just wore WonderBoy down. Everything he tried to do was

1381
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: involving leaning his weight or punch in situations that you

1382
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: don't normally see a ton of offense. Every spot he

1383
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: was in, he was looking to let it be known

1384
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 2: that he was there and he was the dominant fighter.

1385
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to win that way, and no one

1386
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: looks good against wonder Boy except for right now, like this,

1387
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: he looked great.

1388
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. So we'll see what happens next.

1389
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer to that is. But

1390
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: whatever it is he has, if it's a good opportunity

1391
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: at a bare minimum, he's earned it and again did

1392
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: it doing exactly the things he always does. Didn't have

1393
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: to get out of his game plan usually whatsoever. So

1394
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: great job by him.

1395
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: Is there a scenario where he gets offered Hamza chamayav

1396
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 2: at all Luke, because that's the other guy in this

1397
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: larger picture, and.

1398
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: Honestly, that's a tough fight. That's a hell of a fight.

1399
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 3: You know. Here's the thing though.

1400
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: Like they didn't yeah yeah, maybe maybe, like they didn't

1401
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: go with hamzad versus Neil Magne. Neil Magne's been not

1402
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: quiet about one in that fight, and UFC just hasn't

1403
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: made it, which tells us that they probably don't want

1404
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: to make it. They probably want something a little bit sexier.

1405
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: Does ballaal ma after beating Wonder Boy? Get you there?

1406
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: He might look dude, dude, the Wonder Boys a big,

1407
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 2: a big stamp on his passport, like you can under

1408
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: underestimate that considering I was just the other day saying, hey,

1409
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: if Wonder Boy wins, this man, could he make another

1410
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 2: late run with his name?

1411
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 5: You know.

1412
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big ass win, and I think

1413
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: again the manner of it, it's eye opening. So uh,

1414
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 2: you're damn right, I'll remember that name, Loud. I mean

1415
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: the guy the guy must do you know, you must

1416
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: sit at the bench and just do chest all day.

1417
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got large pictorals. All right. With that in mind, BC,

1418
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: it is not time for you or us to discuss

1419
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: questions we ask each other. It's time for the fans

1420
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: to talk to us. It's time for dms from donks

1421
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: Haw he haw all right, BC from at brim dot

1422
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: Stone dot six. Did you meet the Island Boys? No,

1423
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 1: but they met the crowd and the crowd didn't like them.

1424
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's footage out there. It didn't show up

1425
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: and have you seen this shit this week? But the

1426
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: Island Boys got drinks thrown at them, they almost got

1427
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 2: in a fight, and there's some footage as well, Luke

1428
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: of them showing up on the Logan Paul podcast pool

1429
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: Side there at the hard Rock where one of Logan

1430
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: had a guest and he got into an argument with

1431
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 2: the Island Boys and disrespected them and they walked off

1432
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 2: the set. So look, they've had a chance to show

1433
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: their backbone after showing up on Morning Combat to deliver

1434
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 2: us such a you know, a beautiful soliloquy and song.

1435
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: They found out the hard way, Luke, that people may

1436
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 2: watch you, they don't always love you. I mean you

1437
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: would find that out too if you hadn't blocked half

1438
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 2: of our audience.

1439
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: Well, I block idiots, so you should take that up

1440
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: with them for being you know how.

1441
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 2: Many SOB stories. I don't like to bring this up,

1442
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 2: but I do get a lot of SOB stories of like, guys,

1443
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: I've bought every shirt you've printed. And I made one

1444
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 2: comment that Luke misinterpreted on Twitter. Thought I was making

1445
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: fun of them.

1446
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, Luke, go fuck you and your mother,

1447
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, Luke misinterpreted it.

1448
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 3: No, I don't think I did. I don't think I did.

1449
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: Although don't block nearly as much these days.

1450
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 3: I usually just mute.

1451
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 2: But the walls of your castle they get very tall, Luke.

1452
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: There's a moment.

1453
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: No, it's like, dude, here's how this goes. Make yourself

1454
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: pleasant to interact with or don't. The choice is entirely

1455
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: up to you. But if you don't, I'm not going

1456
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: to be party to it. So making choices accordingly?

1457
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 3: All right?

1458
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: At Ilia seven four five BC, Where is Eagle FC

1459
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: in three years?

1460
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: It's a good question, Yeah, would would they.

1461
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 3: Be not high expectations?

1462
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: Do you think, well, would they be happy if they

1463
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,919
Speaker 2: were like Cage Warriors CASW level? Luke? Is that where

1464
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: we're going here?

1465
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: That's pretty big where you have a.

1466
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: Strict hold on a certain either region or level. I

1467
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 2: mean that that probably. I mean, look, what's the real question?

1468
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: Is the real question here? Do they have a shot

1469
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: at breaking into that group that includes the UFC, Belatoor,

1470
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 2: PFL and once in a while one championship? Do they

1471
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 2: have a chance to be in that group? Luke?

1472
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: I don't think get there in three years? Probably not.

1473
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: I mean PFL has been around for a while and

1474
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: they're just now breaking out and they offer what we

1475
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: think is probably bigger paydays and they have a better

1476
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: television In three years, it's just not a lot of time.

1477
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: Five to ten, if they're still around, we can ask

1478
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: different questions. But yeah, I think you're probably right.

1479
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 2: Hey, I mean, you know, maybe Kevin Lee becomes the

1480
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 2: Eagle FC sixty five champion. Look what are we gonna

1481
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 2: call that? Weight division?

1482
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: Super light junior welter? All right, all right, uh all

1483
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: right from flannels and JITs.

1484
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 3: This guy must have a great personality.

1485
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: Did you guys see son And got arrested in Vegas

1486
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: over the weekend five counts of battery for fighting in

1487
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: a hotel lobby or did not see this? There's footage

1488
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: of him walking out in cuffs.

1489
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 3: You can see that.

1490
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: Apparently he didn't get charged with anything. H No, he

1491
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: got charged with five counts of misdemeanor battery, but they

1492
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: didn't actually arrest him because, for whatever reason, I always

1493
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: thought when you got in fistfights and you got arrested,

1494
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: you were in deep shit. But it turns out, as

1495
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: I become an adult, this is not really all that true.

1496
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: But it was some kind of dispute in a hallway

1497
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: with another man, at least as TMZ wrote it, over

1498
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: a woman.

1499
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 3: I don't know what the story is.

1500
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he apparently gave the other guy

1501
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: the wood shampoo, just beat the fuck out of him

1502
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: and the woman was screaming. Someone called the cops and

1503
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: they came and got him, but they only gave him

1504
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: five counts of misdemeanor battery. I think the bad guy

1505
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: will be okay. John Jones loved it, so he took

1506
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: the Twitter about it.

1507
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 2: I didn't see any of this. Maybe it was payback

1508
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 2: for some of those zings he had at the World

1509
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 2: MMA Awards. Look, because when you're that funny, at that level,

1510
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 2: you do always have to worry about the payback some

1511
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 2: punk that you roughed up way back, coming back after

1512
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: all these years. You know what I'm saying.

1513
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know exactly what the story is,

1514
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: but there was that part that was reported, So enjoy that.

1515
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 2: All right, it's back. Yes.

1516
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: Yes, by the way, I didn't know you were in

1517
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: chemotherapy at age seventeen. But look at this fucking picture.

1518
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: I mean not even remotely funny, Luke.

1519
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I meant put the counter back up real quick

1520
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: if you can gaff for Corey. Let me see this thing,

1521
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: because they definitely changed out the picture or something.

1522
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at that, bro? Were you okay?

1523
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was. I was seventeen, Luke. You know I

1524
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 2: couldn't keep an ounce of fat on me.

1525
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: You know, how are you seventeen and you look like

1526
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks from Philadelphia. I don't know. I can't tell that's.

1527
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 2: Not I'm not you know, I'm not gonna laugh. I'm

1528
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 2: not you know, I'm not gonna You know that the

1529
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,480
Speaker 2: first rule of improv is never say no, Luke, I'm no, okay.

1530
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 3: All right?

1531
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: At bedside rumble. That's what happens when I lean over

1532
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: to pass gas. Are the grounded hip thrusts that Dantel

1533
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: Mays showed against Josh Parisian. Something you learn on the

1534
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: first day of training at Factory Town MMA asking for

1535
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: a friend.

1536
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we a Factory Town MMA. We call that

1537
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 2: tea bagging actually, because that's what it is. Good God,

1538
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: can't wait to see that on Have you seen this

1539
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 2: shit today, Luke? That was great. I haven't seen anything

1540
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 2: like that. Do you remember when Sergey Kovlev I don't

1541
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 2: know if you remember this on his initial title rise,

1542
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: he had this move where he would pump fake a

1543
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 2: crotch thrust and it would get his opponent to kind

1544
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: of freeze and then he throw a one two on him.

1545
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: Luke.

1546
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: It reminded me of that. We haven't seen that kind

1547
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 2: of you know, that kind of pelvic use in combat sports, Luke.

1548
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 2: Since since you know, uh Man, you know, if I would,

1549
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 2: if I could ever remember the name of John Jones's

1550
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 2: Albuquerque Booty Call and have it on hand, Luke, my

1551
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 2: comedy game could rise up, you know, exponentially.

1552
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the thing that would be true if other

1553
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: things that are not in play were in play.

1554
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 3: I agree, all right.

1555
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,440
Speaker 2: From sorry sorry retroactively boo boo wild thing was the correct.

1556
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: Answer, Thank you. That's right, boot That was on the

1557
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: text on the phone incoming call, incoming call. Yes from

1558
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: h de La Cruz Underscore one sixty. Who is the

1559
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: real beat very Brian Campbell?

1560
01:09:59,080 --> 01:09:59,640
Speaker 3: Would you call it?

1561
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: Here? DMS from Donks Today? Who's the real b C?

1562
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: Is it Brian Campbell or is it Brian Custer? Because

1563
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: you'll know Mara Ronalo when he throws it back to

1564
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: Brian Custer from the Showtime broadcast, he calls him BC.

1565
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 3: Who's the real BC?

1566
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: I would to be fair, I would say the real

1567
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 2: I mean, who's the real BC? Well, I'm the real BC,

1568
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 2: but who's the real BC? Brian Custer has been using

1569
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 2: that moniker nickname, whether he brought it on himself or not, professionally,

1570
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: a lot longer than I have to be fair, Luke Thomas,

1571
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 2: I really wasn't called BC until two years ago, and

1572
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 2: it was really by you. Maybe a couple of people

1573
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 2: on the fringe used it as their preferred choice, but uh,

1574
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 2: you know, I was. I was Soup most of my

1575
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: life in my hometown of Nogato, Connecticut, and I was

1576
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, Brian Campbell for a lot of years. But

1577
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: apparently I'm now BC, the BBC with the BD, the

1578
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 2: damn American Alpha, you know. So uh so, yeah, Brian

1579
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 2: Custer can take the real BC part right there. Uh

1580
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 2: doesn't keep me up that night.

1581
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: Uh okay, Well there you have it. I'm not sure

1582
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: what to add to that. I think soup is a

1583
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: terrible name for you. I don't like it. But you know,

1584
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: you are from Connecticut and your peers are not very creative,

1585
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: So what can you do. It's not your fault. It's

1586
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: not your fault. You were born in Connecticut, BC, you

1587
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

1588
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, Dino, let me let me run my future

1589
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: nicknames past you.

1590
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: You know, appropriately you're chippy today.

1591
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 3: Why are you so chippy today?

1592
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: You a little underslept, a little little stressed.

1593
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's yeah, I spent all morning at the knee. Doctor. Look,

1594
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 2: I'm getting old, you know it.

1595
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 3: I see that, bro, I see that.

1596
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: All right, Well it's time for the lighter side of things, BC.

1597
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: It's time for your ship.

1598
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we do. We scover the globe for

1599
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: the highs and lows, the good, the bad, the ugly,

1600
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 2: and the in between, combat sports and beyond. I really

1601
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: can't vouch for this this piece of shit right here, Luke.

1602
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 2: It's a it's an up and down mix, but we're

1603
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 2: gonna get it anyway. It's called Have you seen this ship.

1604
01:11:58,880 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 1: Feeces?

1605
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 2: My supplies are running low, Luke. And I've gotten some

1606
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 2: criticism of late that were too fight heavy, so I

1607
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 2: tried to do less fights and more drunk chicks.

1608
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 3: So here we go, Luke.

1609
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 2: UC fight night in Vegas, we mentioned Dantel Mays using

1610
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: his Dick thrusts to control Josh Parisian and their heavyweight

1611
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: about look at worked as he would go on to

1612
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 2: get the victory. But that's disrespectful right there.

1613
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: Well, there's a couple of things that are happening here.

1614
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 1: There are, by the way, passes and forms of control

1615
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: where your left or right hip should go on the

1616
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: face of your opponent to get them to turn away.

1617
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: So he's either using the cup itself as a way

1618
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: just to hit him, or he's using the bone of

1619
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: his hip to do it. But either way it is,

1620
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: you know he's pumping. That's pump action shotgun right there.

1621
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you know we've seen videos on this

1622
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 2: program and this segment about people doing that at the

1623
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: gym to warm up, you know, to get loose. You know,

1624
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: maybe it becomes a weapon moving forward.

1625
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: You know, I do squeeze my glutes to other as

1626
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: a warm up for like the.

1627
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 2: No trure false Lucas you and I exited the uh

1628
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 2: the media room at Emily Arena and Tampa after doing

1629
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 2: uh you know, an HQ clip or whatever. As you

1630
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 2: opened the door to go out first, you straight up

1631
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 2: Larry King to me and whoever else was within twenty

1632
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 2: feet of me in that room and just shot your

1633
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 2: pants as like a parting gift, and then slowly opened

1634
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 2: the door so I could. You know, My teeth were turning,

1635
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 2: you know, even yellower.

1636
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: It was great. Yes, I do. These are these are

1637
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: true accusations, and I plead guilty.

1638
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to this uh this featherweight fight.

1639
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 2: Do you see the ending between Charles Jordaine and andre Yule.

1640
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: Luke screamed at him, Ah.

1641
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 2: Kick that shit, yes, yeah, get out of here. Wow.

1642
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean that's not a finish, but that's about as

1643
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: close to a finish as you're gonna get without actually

1644
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: scoring a finish.

1645
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: That's like Pippin Duncan on ewing and then Tea bagging him.

1646
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 2: Like that's just like in your face?

1647
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: Right, who's that?

1648
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 3: It turned into a Jeff too?

1649
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: Who's the one where Shack dunked on some white guy

1650
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: and then like thrust it into him.

1651
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Dudley, that's that's in play for you know,

1652
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 2: most disrespectful moment NBA history. Dudley threw the ball at

1653
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: him rightfully, So you got it. You gotta do that.

1654
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had to do something, Luke.

1655
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 2: Justin Tafa became the first UFC heavyweight to ever miss

1656
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 2: wait for two six five, but it didn't matter. He

1657
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 2: kicked the shit out of Harry Hunbuckler. Here, Harry Hunsucker

1658
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 2: with the head kick. Finish this guy for real.

1659
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: Luke, Harry Unbuckler is who I am When I have

1660
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: had enough manscaped products, all right, my wife. My wife's like, oh,

1661
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: you turned back into Harry Unbuckler again, did you I see?

1662
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I haven't.

1663
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't slept in a few days. I

1664
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: don't know if you can tell.

1665
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 2: You may have watched Kay Carr Franz's uh, you know,

1666
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 2: big time knockout of Cody garbran At. You have seen

1667
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 2: two sixty nine more than a week ago. But have

1668
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 2: you heard or seen teammate Israel eyes a Sonya's reaction.

1669
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 4: Let's see, I don't hear anything, yo.

1670
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 7: Come on, Jack put on cud got down any time

1671
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 7: guy cut him off.

1672
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 2: That said, I've done.

1673
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: It's done. So it's not too not too dissimilar from

1674
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: my reactions when c KB fighters fight.

1675
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 2: I'll just say this. I want teammates that will yell

1676
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 2: I'm about to explode when I have my big moments. Luke, Okay,

1677
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 2: do you think our staff was yelling that at when

1678
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 2: we walked up to the podium at the World and Maywards.

1679
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: I think you've probably yelled at trying to bring yourself

1680
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: to climaxes. I'm about to explode.

1681
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 2: Sally. All right, Hey, we've seen some weird moments before

1682
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 2: from Jessica, I'm about to explode from Autasania. But you

1683
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 2: know that's he's been a good teammate right there.

1684
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone in my life that would react

1685
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: that positively to anything I could do, unless someone was

1686
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: sentencing me to life in prison.

1687
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: Well, look, you know who can family.

1688
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: Would be like my family would be like I'm about

1689
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: to explode with joy.

1690
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,440
Speaker 2: Let's go to Tampa, Florida for a different kind of explosion.

1691
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 2: Mama Woodley was in the house after Tyrone's knockout loss.

1692
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 2: Let's listen to her. Give it to a family.

1693
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 3: What we're wrong for him tonight?

1694
01:16:51,880 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 2: What the saint? What we're wrong for him? Excuse me, sir?

1695
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 2: Could you give me directions to the interesting man?

1696
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: Fuck?

1697
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 3: Yo, Mama.

1698
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 2: Luke, what went wrong there? Mama would leave despite exploding there,

1699
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: did come up to you off camera and give you

1700
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:20,520
Speaker 2: some encouragement, correct.

1701
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: She said, Uh, I haven't had a honestly, I haven't

1702
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: had someone talk to me like that since my mom

1703
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: was alive. She said to me some really really really

1704
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: really really nice things, and yeah, it was touching. Actually

1705
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:37,919
Speaker 1: I was on the air. I was a little distracted,

1706
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: but it was very very sweet. So She's a very

1707
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 1: sweet lady. And I love you know you don't you

1708
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: don't You don't see that unless she's in a mood.

1709
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 3: So yeah.

1710
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, she doesn't need to know you

1711
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 2: to act like she's your mother. She's an incredible person.

1712
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 2: She's just exactly People just know her right away. Look,

1713
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 2: this is the moment of the weekend. Even Dana White

1714
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 2: tweeted it. Nate Diez inside the arena, leaving the arena,

1715
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 2: and let's zoom in on this, please for this pump

1716
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 2: fake of all pump fas.

1717
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: Okay, dude, who is that guy?

1718
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that guy he bit he bit

1719
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 2: on that pump fake Luke?

1720
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: Did he he bit on every his beer just turns

1721
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: into a shower.

1722
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 2: Waw. I'll tell you what ri I p Kobe Matt Barnes.

1723
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: You know, pump faked him. He didn't move like he

1724
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 2: didn't move.

1725
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Kelby was a little different. That's fucking hilarious

1726
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: from Nate. That dude ruined his beer. That's fucking awesome.

1727
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if that moment was tied into this

1728
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 2: moment Luke at Friday's Way and you and I saw

1729
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 2: during the broadcast Team Diaz with Chris Avila. There get

1730
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 2: into a scuffle with Team A J McKee and body

1731
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 2: Body Shop Factory whatever they call it. Luke, check that out.

1732
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 3: Why were they beefing? What's what's aj McKee got? Who's

1733
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 3: he beefing with?

1734
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: Well? AJ McKee was training Anthony Taylor for this boxing

1735
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 2: match against Chris Aubrey Okay, okay and the Diaz army.

1736
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 2: So the two armies rubbed up against each other. There's

1737
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: aj yeah.

1738
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know who really won this battle? Who COVID?

1739
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: But hey, how's like you guy? You guys can take

1740
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: your wins and losses, however you want the real winner.

1741
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 2: What would you think about Nate Diz versus A j

1742
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 2: McKee at welterwaite? What would you think about it?

1743
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: Dis versus age mm A.

1744
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 2: Yes, at welterweight be interesting, right.

1745
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 3: It'd be interesting. I agree, you're right. It says I

1746
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 3: hadn't thought of it.

1747
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: It's a fun little permutation because at fifty five I

1748
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: like McKee pretty cleanly. But you know, even then he's

1749
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: up aweight class and then you're talking about another fifteen pounds.

1750
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: That's you know, you've seen Nate in person you've seen

1751
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: Aj in person. Nate's bigger by a considerable margin. So

1752
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. That's I like it. That's I

1753
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: like where your heads out. That's interesting.

1754
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to real life here. Here's

1755
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 2: a little musical chairs finish, Luke. You know you gotta

1756
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: be cutthroat to win this event. Check out this lady's

1757
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 2: move and then the celebration. I want you to look

1758
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: closely at the lady in the pink roop.

1759
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,799
Speaker 3: So they're playing musical chairs.

1760
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

1761
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 6: Oh all around the back to steal the chair and

1762
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 6: then the then the then the chairs stole.

1763
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes you've got to come down on some thick.

1764
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, let's go to Russia ofc fifteen, Luke,

1765
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 2: we had a boxing exhibition. Remember Ruslan Pravadna Koff, the

1766
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 2: face first brawler. He's been off for six years. Lucy

1767
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 2: came back to box Ali Bogatanoff in an exhibition. Yeah,

1768
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 2: in the yellow there, Ruslan took home a split decision,

1769
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: and like normal, Luke, his face was a bloody mess afterwards.

1770
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, Ali bako Utinov fought Demetrius Johnson for the

1771
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: UFC flyweight title. Now, granted he popped for peds at

1772
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: the time, so take there for what it's worth. But yeah,

1773
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: it's like washed boxer beats.

1774
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 3: You know.

1775
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: Well, I guess he's kind of a washed him in

1776
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: May fighter, semi washed him in fight.

1777
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I was happy for Ruslan, but I like

1778
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 2: that he's kind of realized he hit his ceiling and

1779
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: he walked away because he gave us so many blood

1780
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 2: and guts nights at the offices, Luke, from the Tim

1781
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 2: Bradley fight to the Latissa fight. I mean, you know,

1782
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 2: him knocking out Mike Alvarado to win the title. I

1783
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 2: love Ruslan's career, but I don't want to see him,

1784
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 2: you know, I hope this is a one off.

1785
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: Is tons of abuse he took.

1786
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 2: All right, let's go over to the bath time. You

1787
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 2: want drunk kicks, You're gonna get it, Luke. Okay, let's

1788
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 2: do it for the gram here. That was a good one.

1789
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, back to the stuff that matters here.

1790
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 2: You want women? How about women's boxing? De Zone had

1791
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 2: a busy weekend, Luke and san Antonio. Check out Sanisa

1792
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: super bad Estrada all this this deliver in the boom

1793
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 2: so Maria Santiso a Strata defended.

1794
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: Coach Barry Robinson made a point about this. Watch watch

1795
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: the girl in blue. The woman in blue, excuse me,

1796
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: bring her feet together and then re engage, and then

1797
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: when she does, she just gets timed. She does what's

1798
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: called a rhythm step. Right there, Boom comes back and

1799
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: gets hit.

1800
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 2: You know, dude, Astrada is a fun fighter, unbeaten, she's

1801
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 2: the WBA minimum weight champion. She's looking to move up

1802
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 2: and wait for and take on other fighters for belts.

1803
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 2: I think the Zone's got something here, Luke. She's also

1804
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: really good on the mic. I called the fight with

1805
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 2: her once for Ring City USA and NBC Sports. So

1806
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 2: good to see Sinissa get a moment here. Let's keep

1807
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 2: it rolling. We go to England. De Zone gave us

1808
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: a nice brawl in this rematch, Joseph Parker versus Derek Jessora. Luke,

1809
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 2: it would be Parker scoring three knockdowns there in the

1810
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 2: white to get the victory. But it was fun and

1811
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: games the whole.

1812
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,520
Speaker 1: Time, and then they ate burgers afterwards.

1813
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 3: This is fun.

1814
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just you know, if heavyweight boxing

1815
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: isn't going to be you know, Wilder or Fury or

1816
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 1: something like that. This is a this is a great alternative,

1817
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: don't you agree? Like it's you know you're not you

1818
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 1: know you're not watching the best, but you know you're

1819
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 1: watching some tough guys with big power who just will

1820
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 1: fucking you know, go crazy to get the wind.

1821
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 2: Joseph Parker could be a you know, he kind of

1822
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 2: worked himself back into title contention. We remember when he

1823
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 2: lost his belt to Anthony Joshua. You know, I don't

1824
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 2: want to say lifeless, but it turned out to be a.

1825
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: Bot clinical yeah, uh.

1826
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 2: In their unification fight. But he's worked himself back up.

1827
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if he gets a big shot after this one.

1828
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 2: Luke boxing last Tuesday Pound for pound rank Niowa a

1829
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 2: new a the monster from Japan had to stay busy

1830
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 2: in his native land. And check out this triple upper

1831
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 2: cut he landed, Luke.

1832
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing.

1833
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 1: One two short little punches too, three and then he

1834
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: goes to the body here.

1835
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fucking me.

1836
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: He's good.

1837
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 3: One, two, three, bah.

1838
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you don't know about this guy, please Niowa

1839
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 2: a new way, get get it learned? All right, Luke,

1840
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 2: let's go over to Russia. I don't think this was

1841
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 2: the intended way to wear a wife. Peter, can you

1842
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 2: break this down for me.

1843
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: That's exactly the intention. This guy is just letting them.

1844
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just letting the titties.

1845
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 6: Hang.

1846
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 1: I look at this fucking animal, this guy, and I

1847
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: bet he focks too.

1848
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 2: Like our like our key uh grip Phil, he likes

1849
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 2: the older ladies.

1850
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 3: Luke or Jack from Las Vegas or key there.

1851
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: All right, let's go. Look. You remember I was a

1852
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 2: shipping and receiving manager back in the day at the factory, Luke,

1853
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 2: I had that shipping.

1854
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: Not really in the factory, in the air conditioned part

1855
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: of the factory.

1856
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:43,879
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, there was no air conditioning at that factory.

1857
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 2: I was. I was on top of that, but this

1858
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 2: never happened to me. Luke. You gotta be careful when

1859
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 2: you're unloading the uh you know, the big the big haul.

1860
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: Oh, he just he just whips this motherfucker open. Huh

1861
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: eat that ship, bitch, My god.

1862
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 3: Wow, he got followed by.

1863
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 2: Pro You know, I don't know if he died, but

1864
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: I do feel bad putting this out out in the world.

1865
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: If wow, I don't I don't think he died, but

1866
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: he probably doesn't eat that many apples these days.

1867
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 2: Look, let's go over to uh Marty Grau here New Orleans. Luke,

1868
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 2: is this a great throw or a great catch? You'd

1869
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: be the judge?

1870
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 3: All right, let's see one, two three?

1871
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: Whoa, wow, wow, Wow, that is epic partying. Uh yeah,

1872
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: what dude, you know what I'm gonna uh hold on?

1873
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: Is it one more time he throws it? Okay, it's

1874
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: definitely a great catch. And it's not the best throw.

1875
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 1: It's a pretty fucking good throw. Yeah, and that was impressive. Yeah,

1876
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

1877
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that one. All right, let's go

1878
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 2: back to regional, Mma, Luke, you know anything can happen.

1879
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 2: Can you describe what this is because it's a dominant

1880
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 2: finish where I come from.

1881
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:53,719
Speaker 3: Wow, that one dude is strongest.

1882
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 2: Shit. God, yeah, he just do he just.

1883
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: Do He just fucking and dominican suit him to the

1884
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,799
Speaker 1: to the left. Look at this get He's like Beyonce

1885
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: to the left. Keep it moving.

1886
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 3: God damn.

1887
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 2: It looked like Dan Henderson on Hector Lombard with how

1888
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 2: vicious that finish was.

1889
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: Dude, I always tell people, Dude, I always tell people.

1890
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it again. Go to a local MMA

1891
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,959
Speaker 1: show in your area, even if it's amateur. Pay fifteen

1892
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: bucks for your seat whatever you know, minimal cost it is.

1893
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: You will see the wildest shit you've ever seen at

1894
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: these regional shows. I'm telling you.

1895
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 2: Oh, look, you and I did see Hendo, the Great

1896
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer in Vegas. Dude, he's still he's still

1897
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 2: pulling tail that guy who he's older.

1898
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: Hendo doesn't remember this, but we got dinner him, me

1899
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: and the staff after MMA is uncensored live and every

1900
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 1: time I've seen him he's got a dime around his arm,

1901
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's the same one from when

1902
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: I saw him about ten or eleven years ago. And

1903
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: either way, if it was, she's aged nicely. Because don't

1904
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: you worry about old Dan Hendo. He's doing quite well

1905
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: for himself.

1906
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 2: I mean, look, let's be fair. He's old as shit

1907
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 2: and he looks it, but he's still living. So shout

1908
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 2: out to uh.

1909
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 1: His clothes if he knows, they were all like kind

1910
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: of halfway untucked and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.

1911
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 2: Look, let's bring on the trampolines. They should really get

1912
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: some weight limits for these, wouldn't you agree.

1913
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 5: Luke, Oh, Jesus, lady, oh lady, or maybe maybe we shouldn't,

1914
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 5: maybe we shouldn't come down on some.

1915
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 2: Thick mad news is she'll never walk again, Luke, But

1916
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 2: you know she's probably.

1917
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: I like how they put all these guardrails so she

1918
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't fly outside. It's like, well, we didn't think she

1919
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: would actually go through the bitch, but it turns out

1920
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 1: she's she's overweight.

1921
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 2: So they say everybody's got a superpower, a party trick

1922
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 2: that they can bring out, you know what I mean. Look,

1923
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 2: look look at this old guy. You know, he's been

1924
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 2: practicing this move for years, Luke.

1925
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 3: Is this Bernie and is this his weekend?

1926
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 2: I've been practicing a similar movie, Luke, with my with

1927
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 2: my you know, yeah.

1928
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is me going back to jiu jitsu.

1929
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, this is a great idea on my part.

1930
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 2: Ah right, let's go over. And it's not for some

1931
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 2: wheelie fails, Luke. We don't have some good wheelie fails

1932
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 2: in a while. You know. The people they love no

1933
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 2: helmet on a motorcycle and then they love kicking in

1934
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 2: that wheelie. Look, oh this guy does have a helmet.

1935
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: Good, but you know, holy fucking shit, ye dude, that

1936
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 1: other guy narrowly avoided the problems. Bah, this is one

1937
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 1: of those.

1938
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 2: To me, it's like daredevil pilots, like, you know, you're

1939
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 2: asking for it, you're asking if it's gonna get look

1940
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 2: that you know, as you would say, the bill will

1941
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 2: come do eventually when you live this this fast and

1942
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 2: furious lifestyle.

1943
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's play stupid games. You are gonna win stupid prizes.

1944
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: So congrats.

1945
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 2: This next one is brought to you, Luke, by CTE.

1946
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 2: Just I mean, the thing about doing the wheelie is

1947
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 2: if you can't see where you're you know, it's yeah,

1948
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 2: that's uh.

1949
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: This is brought to you by uh CTE and abject poverty.

1950
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: It looks like that's true.

1951
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 2: I do like the pink helmet. All right, I got

1952
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 2: one more for you. In the wheelie game, they say

1953
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 2: bad wheelly accidents happen in three Luke.

1954
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Oh no oh, no ah, no no.

1955
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 2: Oh. You know he did walk on his own power, Luke.

1956
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 2: That would be the last time though. Wow.

1957
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, these guys I see them all over the

1958
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: city here. They ride in these large groups and it

1959
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: never seems to go too well for him, you know.

1960
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 2: Luke, You know, after a long weekend of work travel.

1961
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 2: You gotta, you gotta just you gotta burn everything that's

1962
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 2: anya and just start fresh. And this is what this

1963
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,719
Speaker 2: guy was doing. Luke hed this. This may actually be Tampa, Florida.

1964
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, I just gotta I just gotta

1965
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 2: clean off and just start fresh.

1966
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Bro, this was me after the event on Sunday

1967
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: or Saturday, when I was walking back to my hotel.

1968
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: I just needed some relief for my ass because it

1969
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:04,679
Speaker 1: was on fire.

1970
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I got two more in this failing segment, Luke. Look,

1971
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 2: this is a superpower right here. Check out this guy's

1972
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 2: ability to catch darts in any position without getting hurt.

1973
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: God, oh god, Okay, all right, I think gets wrong.

1974
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, so that's it. He doesn't do much

1975
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 1: worse than that.

1976
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:33,719
Speaker 2: No, that's not bad, Luke.

1977
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's still pretty good. That's a new that's

1978
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 1: a twist on tip to tip.

1979
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he had that log between his legs. But Luke,

1980
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,679
Speaker 2: you may fool the log once, but the log will

1981
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 2: get you back. Here's our last entry this week. Yeah,

1982
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 2: I can't I can't guarantee this guy walked away from this, Luke.

1983
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,520
Speaker 2: But we can enjoy it nonetheless.

1984
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 3: Oh Jesus Christ.

1985
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 5: Uh.

1986
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 2: You know in the tree world, Luke, they compare this

1987
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 2: to a overem versus in GODU I think rightfully, so Luke,

1988
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 2: Wow wow Yeah.

1989
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 1: Dude, dude, this motherfucker is wearing a helmet and the

1990
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 1: tree hits him in the port that the helmet doesn't exist.

1991
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 2: Boop, Oh my god, Oh.

1992
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Fuck bro, this tree is like yo, fuck you loggers,

1993
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: suck my bee. Yep. Look I will get wop just

1994
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I watch his arms too. He just gets

1995
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: hit by the fucking hot duken in here.

1996
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 3: Watch this. Watch look at his arms, watch his arms.

1997
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 3: Here we go.

1998
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 2: Bah wow, Well, Luke, that's my ship for the week.

1999
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 2: I apologize for the declining value of it. I've been look,

2000
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 2: I've really been traveling for like five.

2001
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 1: These last two weeks were fucking hard.

2002
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 2: They want in vacation, family wedding, you know. So I

2003
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 2: will come back with much better shit. In fact, Luke,

2004
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 2: you know we're about to enter a dead zone for

2005
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 2: combat sports. I hope you know everyone enjoyed the hos

2006
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 2: of course, but you know we're gonna have a lot

2007
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 2: of time to run a lot of shitty videos.

2008
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 3: So good. Well, I'm glad to hear about that.

2009
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: ALRIGHTBC, Before we close off today's program, what are your

2010
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,839
Speaker 1: odds and or ends for today?

2011
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 2: You know, we had a lot of boxing over the weekend,

2012
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 2: stuff that didn't even make Have you seen this shit?

2013
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 2: And it was an interesting close up? Excuse me? Wow?

2014
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 3: Hart Cool All ran.

2015
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 2: For the light heavyweight division in boxing, ar tur Beetter

2016
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 2: Beev came back, Luke, you better believe it Friday night

2017
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 2: against a determined Marcus Brown and Better Beef would get

2018
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 2: a hard fought win, including Luke. He had a gash

2019
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 2: and a half opened up on his forehead. Brown was

2020
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 2: also bleeding back. Brown wasn't afraid to cheat either, Luke

2021
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 2: to stay in this fight. This turned out to be

2022
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 2: a little bit gnarly. Look at thirty six, I don't

2023
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 2: feel like better Beave is getting any younger. For sure,

2024
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 2: he gutted it out.

2025
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: Luke.

2026
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 2: I still think he can win big fights. But if

2027
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 2: your team Canelo and you're watching this, this is the

2028
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 2: second straight Better Beef fight. Who's now what seventeen and

2029
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 2: was seventeen KOs where you're seeing a little bit of

2030
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 2: age and time off catching up. Marcus Brown was in

2031
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 2: this Better Beeve got the win and one more also,

2032
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 2: de Zonne in San Antonio had undefeated Gilberto Zerto Ramerez,

2033
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 2: the firmer super middleweight champion. He had a fun fight

2034
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 2: with Uniesky Gonzales who brought it. Zerto would get a

2035
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 2: late stoppage in a win. And Luke, as we look

2036
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 2: at this light heavyweight division right now, better Beav's got

2037
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 2: two belts. You've got one belt around the waste of

2038
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 2: Dimitri Bevall, one belt around the waist. That Joe Smith Junior,

2039
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 2: the big slugger who just recently was like a full

2040
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:37,520
Speaker 2: time you know, pipe layer, and you've got now Gilberto

2041
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 2: Romerez who's forty three. And oh, Luke, if Canelo wants

2042
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:42,719
Speaker 2: to come down, Look, I don't know if this Canelo

2043
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 2: cruiserweight thing is gonna happen. It was originally, you know,

2044
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 2: the WBC was all about it, but now Don King

2045
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 2: is claiming he's got a right on making a fight

2046
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:55,480
Speaker 2: in between with Makabu. I wonder now if team Canelos

2047
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 2: taken a closer look at light heavyweight, all those four

2048
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 2: names I mentioned, all four would be fun fights against

2049
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 2: Canelo if he so desires to want to move up

2050
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 2: there and try to win all the belts, Luke, were

2051
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 2: you nervous at all? Having caught a few rounds of

2052
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 2: that better be fight? That the competition's closing in on.

2053
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:12,639
Speaker 3: A little bit?

2054
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean, when his face was exploding with blood and

2055
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: his opponent was still kind of giving him a little

2056
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 1: bit of razzle dazzle. I don't know. I got a

2057
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 1: little bit concerned. But when would you say the fight

2058
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 1: turned fifth, sixth rounds something like that, you know, and

2059
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 1: then once it did, he was marching him down. Once

2060
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:38,679
Speaker 1: you saw him marching him down consistently, you're like, oh, okay, okay,

2061
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: the game is now locked in. But you're right, took

2062
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: a little time to get going. Definitely got You know,

2063
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 1: his skin is not what he used to be, and

2064
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's the overall damage. He's not taking a

2065
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: ton of damage, but you know, you just do enough

2066
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 1: of this and it wears you down. And yes, to

2067
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 1: answer your question, I thought that the competition was closing

2068
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,839
Speaker 1: in a little bit. But he's still a fucking hammer.

2069
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 2: Look the people that know in boxing on boxing Twitter,

2070
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,839
Speaker 2: I've seen a few will make this point. Should Canelo

2071
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:05,639
Speaker 2: move up this year and fight Baturviev, who again seventeen

2072
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 2: and oh seventeen KOs two of the four light heavyweight titles.

2073
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 2: A lot of people think it could be a Canelo

2074
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 2: versus Triple G type fight where you know, Canelo's gonna

2075
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 2: certainly have the speed and the boxing ability to be

2076
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 2: in this, but you got an old bruiser here and Perturbiev,

2077
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 2: like Triple G was in those two fights, who also

2078
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 2: can box and set his shots up. Both are gonna

2079
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 2: have to take punishment. Look, this could be a pretty

2080
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 2: freaking epic fight if they make it in terms of

2081
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 2: like what can it actually look like in the ring?

2082
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 2: This could be interesting theater totally.

2083
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 3: I love it.

2084
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: And he looked great over the weekend and you know,

2085
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,640
Speaker 1: producing good highlights and he's well. He seems to be

2086
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 1: well liked in the boxing industry as well, which seems

2087
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: to be a thing for him.

2088
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

2089
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 1: I love all the dude twenty twenty two. A lot

2090
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: of fun possibilities about the way things could go, and

2091
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 1: he's certainly part of that picture at overlight heavyweight. So

2092
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 1: I agree for my odds and NSBC, it's a sad one.

2093
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: Unfortunately Jordan Young has passed away. It may not be

2094
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 1: in name that a lot of you know. He did

2095
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,160
Speaker 1: fight twice for the PFL, winning against a UFC middle

2096
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: former UFC middleweight mamriy Akhmetov in his last fight actually

2097
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 1: with an uppercut. He was losing that fight and then

2098
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: he won. He went I think like six and one

2099
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: in Belatore, if five and one in Belatore. His only

2100
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: loss was to Angliscus, who we know was in the

2101
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 1: light heavyweight tournament. He was twenty seven years old and

2102
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 1: he passed away BC. I've never mentioned anything because I

2103
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 1: didn't think of anything about it until yesterday. But Jordan,

2104
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 1: I don't know why he passed away. He messaged me

2105
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: on Friday. Actually he wanted some gambling picks, and of

2106
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 1: course I don't gamble and give picks, but I just

2107
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, shared my analysis as best I could, and

2108
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:39,520
Speaker 1: I was looking back on our conversations.

2109
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 3: He had hit me up.

2110
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm twenty seventeen, and you know, it was just

2111
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 1: kind of a fan of some of my work and

2112
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 1: we had kind of stayed in touch. I didn't know him,

2113
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 1: I won't proclaim to know him. My only interaction with

2114
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 1: him was through Instagram DMS. But he was a nice guy.

2115
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 1: He was driven again, he got a great win in his.

2116
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 3: Last PFL fight.

2117
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know the circumstances of his death, but it

2118
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: it's terrible, and like you know, there's just a rule

2119
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: about death. You always have to remember it may come

2120
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 1: sooner than you think. And it is definitely, definitely obviously

2121
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: going to happen, but it certainly might come way quicker

2122
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: than you imagine. And I'm sure if you had asked

2123
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: Jordan Young a year ago, where are you going to

2124
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: be in another year, he wouldn't have said this terrible,

2125
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 1: terrible situation. I hope to find out more, but just

2126
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: wanted to say something about it and really sorry to

2127
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 1: hear what happened just.

2128
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 2: Twenty seven years old. A lot of tributes coming out

2129
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 2: from both the PFL and American Top team, and you know, look,

2130
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 2: he was twelve and two with ten finishes, so he

2131
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 2: was looking promisering and he'd been on the best stretch

2132
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 2: of his run.

2133
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 1: There. Wow, it was terrible. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot

2134
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 1: of well wishes for him. And again I still don't

2135
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: know what the cause of death is. I really hope

2136
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: it's not. I mean, there would be no circumstance that

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Speaker 1: would be great. I guess I'm just kind of hoping

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Speaker 1: for not something that's deeply tragic, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Terrible situation, right, terrible situation. So there you go, rest

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Speaker 1: in peace to him and his family. That is it

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Speaker 1: for us. We do have extra credit coming. We'll dig

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Speaker 1: into this last UFC card of the year.

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Speaker 2: Anything else, uh no, you know, please pleaple. It's your

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is quality. This is quality shit

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Speaker 2: the absolute last Mark McGuire rookie card that we have here.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do it. Let's do it, don West.

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Speaker 1: All right, So there's Morningcombat dot Store, there's Showtime Showtime

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Speaker 1: go pound sand don't forget our email. Morningcombat at gmail

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Speaker 1: dot com. Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Get in those

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Speaker 1: fans ubs, get in those dead wrongs as early as

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Speaker 1: you possibly can, and hopefully we'll get to them on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday BC. If you're listening on the podcast, give us

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Speaker 1: review or whatever else. We're all over the socials. Morning

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Speaker 1: Coombat's name is consistent everywhere be seen are slightly different

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Speaker 1: from Instagram to Twitter, and I think that is it.

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Speaker 1: B See, boy, we have seen a lot of each

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Speaker 1: other on the lat on the road. Are you glad

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Speaker 1: to be done with me for a little while?

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Speaker 2: We should really consider slowing down a little bit and

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Speaker 2: just you know, enjoying the holidays with our families. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: everybody out there is going to get to do that too, Luke,

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Speaker 2: and come back in this new year. Just fired up, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I mean, could we be brand wise, critical attention and

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Speaker 2: respect in a better spot? MK, This army, this universe. No,

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Speaker 2: we couldn't. We're We're coming. We're coming big. So everybody

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Speaker 2: rest up, enjoy the holidays, where our merch at your

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Speaker 2: holiday parties. I'm sure it'll get you know, love and appreciation,

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Speaker 2: and you better believe we're coming back with a bang,

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Speaker 2: even though right now we just don't want to be

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Speaker 2: near each other at all. And not even on the

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Speaker 2: same zoom zoom.

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Speaker 3: I don't see.

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Speaker 1: No, the difference is that I don't mind being near you.

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Speaker 1: It is you who minds being near me. That's the difference.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's you. That's really my my obstacle. Luke,

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Speaker 2: I've you know, it's been a busy two months. You know,

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Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of travel, you know, vacations, awards,

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Speaker 2: so you know, I'm just looking to pause for a

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Speaker 2: little bit. But hey, Luke, we have a brand new

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Speaker 2: studio and the fine metropolis of Jersey City that we

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Speaker 2: will be unveiling to open the new year. So a

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Speaker 2: lot to look forward to. If you're a big MK fan.

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Speaker 2: You want more franchises, you want Dissected to make a company. Hey,

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Speaker 2: who knows, Luke? Who knows? Right?

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Speaker 3: Possible?

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Speaker 1: There are crazy things that can happen, But you're right

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Speaker 1: at the studio will be a big focus of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two. I want to get back there more often.

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Speaker 1: People seem to like it more often. I think we

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Speaker 1: like it when we're there, So we'll make that a

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Speaker 1: big priority for twenty twenty two. But that is it

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Speaker 1: for today. For Malka for CBS Sports, for showtime for

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Speaker 1: the Viceroy slash Prince of Connecticut. That's Brian Campbell. I'm

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. I'll see you focus on extra credit a

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Speaker 1: little bit later, and until then, all of your gains

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Speaker 1: be loyal.