WEBVTT - Nick Bakay Meets World 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:23.799 Yeah, I have a sourdough lady. Right, I have a 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.599 new sourdough lady. Will you're gonna You're gonna freak out. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.000 People are jelly on sour dough or just white bread. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.839 Well, I yesterday just had white bread. I was in 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:37.040 a real rush. Also, it's so the okay. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:39.559 Is the lady made of sour dough. I have so 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.280 many things. I have so many questions. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:42.239 I have a sour. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:47.839 You take a little piece of her finger and you 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:49.559 can make a piece of bread. Like, what is a 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:50.360 sour dough lady? 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:50.839 What is that? 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:56.720 She's a woman who makes sour dough and it's divine. 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.560 She has a couple of different flavors I to start with, 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:04.399 or a loaf of hot honey, which is got spicy 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.039 and honey in the sour dough loaf, and then also 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.360 just a plain sourdough loaf. And then she also makes 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:20.280 English muffins. Oh, so I ordered Cranny, a nook and Granny. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.319 I ordered a hot honey, a sour dough and some 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.800 English muffins. Every single morning I open my eyeballs and 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.240 the first thing I think is I can't wait to 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:31.280 go down and eat some bread. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.120 So I mean, when you say you have does she 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.880 give me the starter? Does she deliver it to your house? 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.440 How does this order it? Via my phone? I send 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:43.440 her a text. They go, Hi, I'd like to place 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:44.440 an order for. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:45.759 I'm a special person. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:46.160 Do you have to. 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.000 Send you I'll tell you. I mean you have to 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.080 live locally because she lives near us. She lives in 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.280 the San Fernando Valley. She does, yeah, and then she 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.640 delivers it on Friday to your door. 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.960 Wow, how big business is getting? 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.600 Well, it's a pretty new business. She's doing it from 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.680 her house. She wakes up super early because she has 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:10.440 like a bunch of loaves now she's making. And she 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.560 doesn't have like a you know, huge kitchen. She has 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:13.760 just a house kitchen. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.320 And it's is she called the sour Lady? 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:19.400 No, I just call her that. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:20.119 She is a name. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:20.640 I'm sure. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:22.320 Well no, but we got to give her a business, 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:23.120 a name of something. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.800 I'll tell you. I'll find it right now. Give me 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.200 give me a second. But will you have to place 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.640 an order? And I know that writer you know all 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.120 about making sour dough. If you lived closer and would 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.079 deliver it to my house on Friday, you have. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.640 A sour dough guy, what about what about need for bread? 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:45.160 Her for bread? 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.120 God? I love that so her her. The name of 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:53.160 her bakery is fresh Start Bakery. She's on Instagram at 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.239 fresh Start Bakery, Underscore at the end uh In Home 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.359 micro micro bakery located in with the Hills. Poor pick 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.000 up or local drop off available. Here's some things on 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:07.880 her menu. Her sour dough is classic cheddar, hallapeno, roasted garlet, 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:13.280 hot honey, parmesan, and black pepper English muffins, and then 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.000 she also has pastries. I haven't think. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:17.720 Muffins are cool. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.880 That's that guy, you know, because a lot of people, 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:21.920 like a lot of bread places have kind of sprung 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.680 up in the last couple of years, but I haven't 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:26.360 heard of like a good English muffin. 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.160 That's a great Are not going to try to make 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:29.280 your own English muffins now? 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:29.560 I don't know. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:30.720 I don't know what's involved. 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.880 Just was inspired because we had friends come for the 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.640 holidays and one of them brought his own loaf of 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:39.400 sour dough. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:40.480 And I was like, oh my god, this. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.120 I haven't done it for years because my wife doesn't 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.240 eat sourdough. My son now, I think he'll like sourdough, 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.160 but like he used to not like sourdough, so I 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.600 like bread and nobody would eat it but me so, 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:52.640 But I. 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.880 Think, why doesn't Alex like sourdough. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.320 Likes you know? My son in law introduced me to 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:04.400 the joy of the cheddar holopeno bagel, which I'd always 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:05.000 walked away from. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:06.680 It seemed like it was too much going on. Yeah, 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:07.880 and he's like, just try. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.760 He's like, just try, right, but both acts are delicious. 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:12.960 It's a thing too. 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:14.400 It was so good. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.000 I want to try that. I want to try that. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:18.840 That that her holopen you. I want to try that 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:19.920 woman's lapeno loaf. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.640 It's really good. This is not an ad. I pay 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.000 for it directly. She's wonderful. I'm very excited about it 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.039 in Woodland Hills. She's in Woodland Hills. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.200 She's an extra hand because I'd love to go. I've 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:31.960 wanted to learn how to bake and do the pastry like. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.680 I wouldn't charge her. I'd just go and be her. 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.400 Soushi does it early early in the morning, so you'd 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.119 probably have to be to her house at five am. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:39.880 I don't know if she'd like to welcome you into 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.880 her house to be honest, but ill sure, I'll make 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:42.600 I'll ask, I'll ask. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.599 I'll find out this morning at five am when I 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.440 just show her. Just gave her a bunch of business 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.279 hopefully so she kind of makes. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.640 If you live local, that's where you should be getting your. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:52.920 I can't please send me that Please send me that 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:53.640 link because. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.760 I want there's I know you guys will place an order. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.920 You can place your order today for Fridayso come over. 0:04:57.960 --> 0:04:59.360 I'll teach you how to make sour dough brea. 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.720 I know. No, Sue makes good bread. She makes good bread. 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:04.400 Oh okay, well. 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:05.440 Okay, well then I'll see you. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.440 Well, no, she doesn't make sourdough because she doesn't have 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:08.799 a starter over. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.159 That was the weirdest thing. Writer offered something that you 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:14.960 were saying you wanted to do with someone else, and 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:15.800 then you were like, no, no. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.159 I doesn't have a sourdough starter. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:25.200 Writer, Yeah, she doesn't have a friendship. What's okay? 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.920 Never mind? Anyway, what does that mean? There's a new 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.200 movie coming out called I think it's called Friendship, and 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.359 it's about like a grown man Tim Robinson who becomes 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.760 obsessed with his new friend Paul Rudd and it is, uh, 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.480 you know, it's a funny story about how it kind 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.880 of ruins both their lives when Tim Robinson becomes obsessed 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:48.960 with Paul Red and Tim Robins Tim Robbins, No, Tim Robinson. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.800 Robinson, Okay, yeah, Tim Robins. Tim Robbins is the guy 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.400 who broke out of Shawshank right right. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.600 Correct, different persons there are. There are totally different people 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:57.880 with those. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:05:59.800 Yeah, okay, but I did just. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:00.560 Want does that happen? 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.960 Robin's the novelist. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:08.039 Tony Robbins who is the self help guy a lot 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.240 of Robins. Yeah, Robin Gibbons, totally different. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.039 Just save rob or just. 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:22.920 Got a pal? It's this ward a palal. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:26.440 Come on, come on, Welcome to Pod Meets Robin. 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.200 I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right strong, and I'm wil Fredell. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:42.360 T G. 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.360 I f had a handful of iconic faces over the years, 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.760 Cory Matthews, Uncle Jesse cousin, Balky, mister Cooper, the Aliens 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.760 from Aliens in the family. And yet there was one things, 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.400 a furry one that reigned supreme for many, many years. 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.479 And it's hilarious that the man who voiced this iconic 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.640 feline is known to a majority of the world as 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.000 Salem Saberhagen, the talking cat from the long running hit 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.320 TV show Sabrina the Teenage Witch, because his resume is 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.920 not only wildly impressive outside of that show, at times 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:17.320 it's unbelievable. A one time contributor to the National Lampoon magazine, 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.280 he was a young writer on Sabrina who then somehow 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.240 became one of its stars. But before that, he was 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.400 a writer and guest star on the Iconic in Living Color, 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:30.720 while one of his first ever acting jobs was Somehow Seinfeld. 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.760 Then after Sabrina, the hits just somehow kept coming. The 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.480 King of Queen's till Death, two and a half Men Mom, 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:42.160 Young Sheldon, Paul Blart, and his newest creation Bookie on Max, 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.080 and he somehow finds time to be a sports expert 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.520 on ESPN. This guy sure has a lot of somehow's 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.400 in his career, and today we want to find out how. 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.480 Let's put a face to this renaissance man of Hollywood 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.000 who voiced the rascal of a cat that forced us 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.000 to time travel back to World War Two. This week 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:06.280 guest is Salem the Cat himself. Nick Backay, Hi, how 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:07.760 you doing I'm great. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:08.320 How are you. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:09.920 It's so good to see you. 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:11.560 Good to see you too. 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.000 Thank you so much for joining us. In addition to 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.960 reuniting with our Normal Boy Meets World cast and Crewe, 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.200 we have been very excited to catch up with other 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.400 TGIF legends and it would certainly be hard to remember 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.000 the programming block without your contribution. So thank you for 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:29.640 being here with. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:30.760 Us, my pleasure. 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.800 Let's first get into how you got started in writing comedy. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:36.720 I was hoping you could tell our listeners a little 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.760 bit about the National Lampoon magazine, which you were a 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.200 contributing editor and has produced some of the biggest names 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.480 in the history of comedy. So how did that happen? 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.440 Well, you know, I was a young actor in New 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.959 York back in that era, and you know, really really 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.720 scratching my way through life. And I knew a guy 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.920 who worked there, and they used to see him at 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.240 parties and he thought I was funny, and he used 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.880 to always say to me, you should try writing for us. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.720 And I grew up reading that magazine. I'm the generation 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.920 that graduated from Mad to the Lampoon, and I revered it. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:13.840 It wasn't exactly. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:17.720 In its heyday, you know, And I'd be stumbling back 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.719 down Broadway at three in the morning and I'd look 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.280 at it on the newsstand and it was always somebody 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.400 with huge jugs on the cover, and I'd be thinking, an, 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.760 you know, you're so stupid when you're young. You know, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.280 I'm waiting tables at Ernie's. But I'm like, I don't know, 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.959 he's so stupid, you know, But you know, I got 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.640 a callback for you know, the Actors Theater of Louisville. 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.480 It's so stupid. So I finally said, what am I doing? 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.839 And I went and you'd start there by writing fake 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.079 letters to the editor, okay, And I started doing that, 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.680 and it's the weird thing. It's like I started to 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:58.480 realize the world may not need another twenty three year 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.440 old actor like me, who wasn't quite as pretty as 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.840 you guys at that point. But if you can write 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.200 a joke, it's kind of like being a left handed pitcher. 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:08.920 There's a need. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:14.080 So there was a stunning contrast, and within a very 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.920 short amount of time I was a contributing editor. I 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.480 met wonderful people. I got to write lots of really 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.319 interesting stuff there, and that's what led me to write 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.559 for TV because I got out of that with an interesting, strange, 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.839 unique portfolio that caught the eye of people when they 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.679 were starting what is now Comedy Central. And that's a 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.920 whole different story, but it got me my first TV 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.720 writing job, and and and then and it was you know, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.400 your life takes little pivot points, and you know, that's 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.880 the point when I realized, I think I'm done with 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.960 theater because it had never really been interested in me 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.480 to begin with. But you know, I thought we had 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:55.360 a relationship. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.520 It was over. That's interesting. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.480 So you actually started acting, went into writing, and then 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:02.920 came back to acting. 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.800 You were acting just enough to keep you in writing. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.880 Yeah, I've always said my acting career I was just 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:10.720 good enough to have my heart broken. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:11.040 You know. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.520 It's like writing is the only thing that's actually let 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.959 me have a decent life, you know, But there's always 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.000 been great acting stuff along the way. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.400 You mentioned that it led you into your first television 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:24.679 writing gig, which was what was that. 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:30.439 It was the original late night talk show on Comedy Central, 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.680 which was then the Comedy Channel. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:34.040 It was with the. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.800 Alan Havy, who you may know from mad Men and 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.120 a lot of cool things. But he's a great stand 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.280 up comedian to this day. And we did a strip 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:46.200 show five shows a week at late night. He was 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.320 the host. I was the writer sidekick. We had a 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.240 producer and a PA and we had to do five 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:51.920 shows a week. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:52.800 Jeez. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.160 Yeah, it was great. It was like doing TV in 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:56.200 the nineteen fifties. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:56.680 It was great. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.560 We had a studio on twenty third Street in New 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.880 York and it was sort of collegiate. Everybody there was 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:06.360 young and cutting their teeth and there was no nobody 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.520 was jaded. Everybody was so thrilled to be there. And 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.000 I met my wife Robin there. I made friendships for 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.200 life there. So it was wonderful. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.240 Who were your crew? Like, who were you coming up 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:18.120 with around that time? 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.439 Well, it's interesting at the channel at that time, interesting 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.839 people were there, Like that's where John Stewart got it start. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.599 He hosted this show called Short Attention. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.240 Span Theater Theater, Yeah. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.880 Which was comedy clips. The Higgins Boys and Gruber who 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.480 are still like Steve Higgins, who is you know, produced 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:42.600 SNL for years and is the Jimmy's He's Jimmy. Steve 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.360 is one of my best friends. He was my best 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.760 man when Robin and I got married Dave Higgins. You 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.400 know Eddie Gordetski, who's a writer of great renown. There's 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.200 so many people. Scott Carter was the producer of my 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:57.520 shows who went on to produce Politically Incorrect forever. It 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.440 was a hotbed of complete unn owns, and many many 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.839 people from there. I'm no, I'm forgetting tons of them 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.600 went on to do very interesting things. But at that point, 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:12.560 it was this little fledgling cable network, very poor distribution, 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.880 but they were fighting to get it on and there 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.320 was a rival one called HA and it's back when 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.040 Viacom and Time Warner were at battle for the soul 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:22.920 of cable TV. 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:23.480 I got. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.840 I remember how it was the beta max of the 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.040 TV channels. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:31.960 So we and they were just like, if you guys, 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.000 don't burn down the studio, keep doing what you're doing. 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:38.040 We're trying to convert cable operators in Nebraska, and I 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.920 was alan sidekick, and I did a show called sports 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.880 Monster there as well, and that's what cut Dennis Miller's eye. 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:49.280 So when Dennis left SNL to do his original talk 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.520 show in la he hired me to write on it 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:52.800 and be his sidekick. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.840 And that's what got me to La Geez. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.240 Was that was the first one? The first show that 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.800 Dennis Miller did. Was it the one where Robin Williams 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:02.600 was his first guest? Was that the was that the 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:03.200 first one? 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.520 You know, I was there. I should remember. I know 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.360 I met you briefly in Tampa. Yeah, I know, you 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.080 remember things better about me. 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.439 I do, I do, I'll do. 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.720 I think it. I think it was Tom Hanks. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.280 Was second show then that that he had It were 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:22.400 they pulled out. 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.480 The heavyweights to try and get us jump started, and 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.360 we lasted a little less than a year. It was 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.840 interesting timing. We concurred with Johnny's retirement and then Leno 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.400 came in and it was a hole. It was fascinating though. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:39.240 It was fascinating experience. Dennis was with Bernie Berlstein and 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:44.360 Brad Gray and it was interesting. You know, I came 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.200 in the deep end, but it was good. It's a good, 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.000 good way to come to l A And I'm grateful 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:52.480 to Dennis and Allan those guys hiring me and shifting 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.880 me away from the pretensions of my youth really led 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.000 me to who I am. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:14:59.160 That's amazing. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.040 What kind of were you hoping to do? 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.560 Were you hoping to be like a dramatic. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:07.520 He wasn't hoping to do anything. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.560 You say, the pretensions of my youth? 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.880 What does that mean? Like me was like plays and yeah, no, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:16.240 I was going to be Hamlet, Pally. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.800 I trained. I'm a classically trained actor. I would get 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.000 gigs like I would get you know, Shakespeare gigs in Syracuse. 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:25.640 You know what I mean. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.400 It's like it was just brutal, but like theater for 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.240 me is like that old girlfriend that you liked a 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.160 lot better than she liked you, and she would bang 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:34.080 people in front of you. 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.720 It was just went off the rails. 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.800 I don't really know the I don't understand the lanes 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:42.720 of this podcast. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.120 There are not goodly. 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.240 It was like the minute I realized I'm just a 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.400 I am meant to be an anarchist in this comedy mode, 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.800 it was you know, we all we got plans, we 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.040 all have plans, but you know the world's going to 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.600 say to you, nice, try it's over here, and if 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.040 you're smart you listen. 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.680 Yes, yes, Wow. So how did so then you moved 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.320 to la How did one of your first acting gigs 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.920 end up being on Seinfeld? What was that like? 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.400 Well, you know, at that point, I was still really 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:21.120 going hard at trying to be on camera. And you know, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.200 I had auditioned for that show like two or three 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.880 times and it always went well, and I knew they 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.400 liked me. And then I got that part as a 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.520 phone I got a phone call, you know, I just 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.560 got it. And I had done a lot of stuff 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.080 and that was on their radar from you know, I 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.120 think Larry and Jerry knew I was well known in 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.880 the stand up community, you know, and so I was 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.600 a proven entity from a lot of things I've been doing. 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.160 And so then I just got the call and they said, 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.400 you know, you got cast. And that was funny because 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.720 when I started in my relationship with my wife, she said, 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.040 you know, what's it going to be like, I've done 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.040 leadship with an actor when you have to kiss somebody, 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.240 And I was like, I love you so much. That 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.800 has not that's not a big. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:07.679 Part of my career. 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.560 I mean you for thinking about that, but don't worry. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.080 You're fine, We're safe, you know. And then I had 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.200 to kiss late, so I said, good news, bad news. 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:17.040 I got the rent. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:21.760 But it's still one of my favorite episodes ever. It's 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.640 an episode called the Smelly Car. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:25.960 Oh oh, I love that episode. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:26.600 It is great. 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.359 I can do all your lines. My wife and I 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.560 still to this day are one of our ongoing jokes. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.280 Wi hug each other and pull back and go. It 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.840 still smells like we still we so we do. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.600 You're quoted often in our home just so you know 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.360 it's rightful. But yeah, what a what a way to 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.560 to jump onto the scene is to do one of 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.040 the one of the well known episodes of Seinfeld, which 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:48.040 is which is great. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:49.520 Yeah, that was a great week. 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.160 It was fun and you know, having written a lot 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.520 of these things now I'm also looking back on it, 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.360 and you know that script did not change a lot 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.199 during the week. Well, we read at the table was 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.520 really close to what we shot, which was great because 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.080 you got to really work the material and you guys 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:10.200 know how often things change overnight and you had new 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.399 pages and then in between takes, right, I mean, I 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.120 do go. It's such an elusive process and the rewriting 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.120 never ends. But that one we got to really lock 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:19.560 it down. 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.199 That's so great. So then where does one of your 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.800 next early jobs in Living Color, which is like one 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.520 of the greatest shows of all time, Where does that 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.600 job fall and what was that experience like that must 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.120 have been pretty incredible. They were firing on all cylinders 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:36.040 by the time you joined. 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.320 It was wonderful and it came to my rescue. It was, 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.280 I think, really my first main job after the Miller 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.320 Show went down, as I recall, and I remember, it 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.320 was one of those gigs that came in and I 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:54.639 remember how little there was in the checking account, and 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.520 I was, you know, it was one of those like, 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.480 oh good, I have to tell Robin. 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.040 Oh I got the job. I don't have to tell 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:03.400 her we had eight cents. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.160 And that's a less fire. 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.280