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Speaker 2: People are jelly on sour dough or just white bread.

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Speaker 4: What is that?

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Speaker 1: She's a woman who makes sour dough and it's divine.

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Speaker 1: English muffins. Oh, so I ordered Cranny, a nook and Granny.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, when you say you have does she

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Speaker 1: How does this order it? Via my phone? I send

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Speaker 4: I'm a special person.

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Speaker 1: Send you I'll tell you. I mean you have to

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a pretty new business. She's doing it from

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Speaker 4: She is a name.

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Speaker 3: Well no, but we got to give her a business,

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Speaker 3: A sour dough guy, what about what about need for bread?

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Speaker 1: God? I love that so her her. The name of

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Speaker 1: her bakery is fresh Start Bakery. She's on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: fresh Start Bakery, Underscore at the end uh In Home

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Speaker 1: her menu. Her sour dough is classic cheddar, hallapeno, roasted garlet,

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Speaker 2: I'll teach you how to make sour dough brea.

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Speaker 3: I know. No, Sue makes good bread. She makes good bread.

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Speaker 1: Come on, come on, Welcome to Pod Meets Robin.

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Speaker 5: I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right strong, and I'm wil Fredell.

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Speaker 6: never get over it.

444
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 4: It was amazing.

445
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 5: That show to me was so I'm that guy where

446
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 5: I always liked Future Ama more than The Simpsons, I

447
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 5: always liked In Living Color more than SNL.

448
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 3: It was just my it was my thing.

449
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 5: And as amazing as Jim Carrey was and he got

450
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 5: he's so good.

451
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 3: He's just proven himself time and time again.

452
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 5: David Allen Greer and Tommy Davidson to me were two

453
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 5: guys to where every time they were on screen, David,

454
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 5: I mean, they're both amazing. With David Allen Greer I

455
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 5: couldn't stop laughing every time this I did anything, And

456
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 5: then when I saw him then an Amazon Woman on

457
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 5: the Moon, which is one of my favorite movies of

458
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 5: all time. He's just that cast was incredible, I mean

459
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 5: so amazing at everything they did. I'm curious, what was

460
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 5: it like working because I know that Keenan Ivory WANs

461
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 5: was really in charge of the show.

462
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 3: Right.

463
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 6: Well, you know, here's the fun fact. He wasn't there.

464
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 6: I was there one year, will and it was when

465
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 6: the Wayans family had essentially recused themselves.

466
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a really strange deal.

467
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 6: It was the final year, which is really interesting because

468
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 6: they had Jim Carrey under contract, but I think Fox

469
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 6: was like, let's not alienate this guy. But yeah, they

470
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 6: could have gone forth. So it was a The show

471
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 6: was run in sort of a three headed hydra of

472
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 6: Greg Field's, Pan VSA and Laspierstein and they assumed that position.

473
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 6: So I wasn't there. There were no Wayans. I didn't

474
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 6: get to work with Damon, Keenan, anybody you know. So yeah,

475
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 6: I can't fill you in on that, although I do

476
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 6: know a lot. I worked with a lot of the

477
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 6: guys who were there, and a lot of those guys

478
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 6: remain friends of mine, and those and pitch sessions in

479
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 6: that era.

480
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 4: Were legendarily brutal.

481
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 6: I do know that.

482
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

483
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: Man, Well, just two years after in Living Color, you

484
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: get the job for a little show called Sabrina the

485
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: Teenage Witch. How did that job come to you?

486
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's interesting, you know, unlike every other

487
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 6: show ever, there was no traditional pilot of Sabrina. They

488
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 6: Paula and Melissa had done this movie for I think Showtime,

489
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 6: and it was single cam and it's a very different animal.

490
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 6: But I think on the premise of that they sold

491
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 6: it to ABC and then they had to do the

492
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 6: half hour version. And while all of that was kind

493
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 6: of percolating, I worked on this very strange, interesting, great

494
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 6: project called the TV Wheel with Joel Hodgson, who you

495
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 6: probably know from Mystery.

496
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 4: Science NST Hell. Yes, Joel was.

497
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 6: One of the original comedy Channel that was the Lynch

498
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 6: Pinch Show. When we started, that was the one everybody

499
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 6: knew and loved, and he's the man, and he's, you know,

500
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 6: the greatest on every level. And he did this very

501
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 6: interesting project where he built this rotating set like an

502
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 6: old viewfinder and the camera was locked down, and the

503
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 6: set rotated and locked in, and there are all these

504
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 6: weird perspective sets, and little sketches would play and then rotate,

505
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 6: and I wrote on it for a couple of weeks,

506
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 6: and then I'm in sketches in this strange thing was

507
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 6: so I think for HBO ended up running on Comedy Central,

508
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 6: and it was like a lot of interesting people with there.

509
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 6: I know, David Cross and Paul Figue before he became

510
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 6: the Oats, a lot of interesting people involved. And one

511
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 6: of the people who was writing on it was Nell Scovell,

512
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 6: who ended up writing the Sabrina show.

513
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 4: And it was interesting because.

514
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 6: I felt like Nell and I kind of locked horns

515
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 6: creatively writing there.

516
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 4: I had no idea who she was.

517
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 6: I just you know, we were philosophically not exactly aligned.

518
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 6: But then when she took over the Sabrina project, my

519
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 6: manager's phone rang and I had just had one of

520
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 6: those kitchen table talks with my wife and it was,

521
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 6: you know, is every year going to be this terrifying

522
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 6: one of those talks? You know, are you always going

523
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 6: to be reaching for another vine? Because I had done

524
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 6: so many things and none of them stuck to the wall,

525
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 6: and I never wanted to write half hours. I was like, oh, no,

526
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 6: you know, but I said, I think, just as a

527
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 6: responsible human being, I got to open my mind to this.

528
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 6: And then the phone rang. I talked to my manager

529
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 6: at the time and I said, I think I got

530
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 6: to open my mind to this, and then the phone rang,

531
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 6: and I got hired to write on the show. I

532
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 6: was already doing a lot of voice work. I was

533
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 6: an angry Beaver already on Nickelodeon. I was doing a

534
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 6: lot of that stuff. So I was writing on the show.

535
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 6: They didn't have a pilot, they were casting it. I

536
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 6: read for the cat a bit of an inside job,

537
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 6: but I got it. And that's how that happened.

538
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 4: Wow.

539
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, you know, I've struggled a lot of

540
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 6: good things in life. I've found I have wrestled with

541
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 6: you know. You know, I have these beautiful kids. And

542
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 6: my wife had to read me an ultimatum on that

543
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 6: we adopted these beautiful boys, and you know, I was

544
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 6: Dean Martin man. I was like, we're going out hard

545
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 6: and we're gonna you know, and she just said we

546
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 6: had enough, you know, And I fought and I and

547
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 6: you know, but Robin's always been the architect of all

548
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 6: the smart moves in our life. And and I listened,

549
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 6: and it's been the best thing that ever happened to me.

550
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 6: And I have wrestled a lot of good things, and

551
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 6: I wrestled that one. But you know, I was mister

552
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 6: in New York, mister late night, missed all these crap

553
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 6: and and living and you know, I was like, oh

554
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 6: my god, I'm writing a half hour and I'm on

555
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 6: TGIF and Model and you know, and you know, but

556
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 6: it just goes to show how stupid I am, because

557
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,239
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, I'm like, that's I worked with

558
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 6: wonderful writers that they helped me learn how to write

559
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 6: half hours, that bread and butter. I worked with great people.

560
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 6: I got to be on a show that people love

561
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 6: as opposed to these disposable.

562
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 4: Things I'd been doing.

563
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 6: You know, I'm happy to admit how wrong I was

564
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 6: to be hesitant because it was a beautiful experience.

565
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 4: That's great.

566
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: How was it learning how to write half hour? Like,

567
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: because this was the first time you were coming into yeah,

568
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: real storytelling of that, you know, like extended storytelling, because

569
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: it everything had been sketches up until then, everything.

570
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 6: Had been sketches in character comedy and that's how I

571
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 6: survived for years.

572
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 4: You know, I was.

573
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 6: I was always valuable because I can write in character,

574
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 6: and I can pitch jokes that are in character. They're

575
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 6: not those jokes, they're like, that's great, but it stops

576
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 6: the scene dead. I can if you're playing a character,

577
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 6: I'll give you gold, and it's on story, and it's

578
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 6: on point. What I couldn't do is break story. What

579
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 6: I couldn't do is you know this. I mean, I

580
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 6: didn't run a show until I was in my fifties,

581
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 6: and I felt like it took me every minute to

582
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 6: learn how to do that.

583
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 4: Some people, I.

584
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 6: Guess are born with that gift. I wasn't one of them.

585
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 6: I had to learn slow and hard, but there's a

586
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 6: lot to it. And I also had to learn different

587
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 6: ways of storytelling. I feel like in that era, storytelling

588
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 6: was very plotty, very very much about clever turns. And

589
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 6: I always joked like, back in that era when it

590
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 6: was story breaking, I used to have to burn myself

591
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 6: with cigarettes to stay awake.

592
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: You know. It was like, you know, what are we

593
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: going to do with these suitcases?

594
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 6: And I'd be like, oh, I'd be like, I'm gonna

595
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 6: kilm myself, you know, and I just hated it, and

596
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 6: You'd be there at two in the morning and I'd be.

597
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 4: Like, this is not why I got an showbiz. This

598
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 4: is really not the plan, you know.

599
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 6: But but then, uh, you know, I've been exposed to

600
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 6: other approaches, and when I started to tract story from

601
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 6: just a sincere place, it got good to me. Jeez.

602
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: So I want to talk a little bit about you

603
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: doing the voice. How did you do that then on

604
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: tape night? How was what was the process for like

605
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: you actually shooting the show and being the voice of Salem.

606
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 6: Well, we didn't tape night because of all those old

607
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 6: school special effects, you know, and and a live cat

608
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 6: and a deeply unconvincing puppet cat.

609
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: I want to know every detail about the animation.

610
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh, no world destroyed.

611
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 6: A puppeteer was jammed inside that kitchen cabinet's.

612
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: It was, you know. So we didn't do tape night.

613
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 4: But the first four years I was also.

614
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 6: Writing there and I would go down to set and

615
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 6: be off camera with a boom mic and the script.

616
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 6: Beautiful thing, as you guys know, voiceover you never have

617
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 6: to learn a looney beautiful joy and it's glorious. But

618
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 6: we were in the and there was a puppeteer who

619
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 6: did the voice, and he would watch me like a

620
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 6: piano accompanyist, and we had a great groove going. And

621
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 6: then in the last three seasons I had moved over

622
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 6: and was writing on King of Queen's so then he

623
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 6: would lay down a track and I would come in

624
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 6: and loop it, and so that was different.

625
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: But in the early going, I go down there.

626
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 6: There was one scene I remember where I think Salem,

627
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 6: you know, had his head jammed in a.

628
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: Fish bowl or something.

629
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 6: So I'm like sitting there with a script and a

630
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 6: boom mic and there's a you know, somebody holding a

631
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 6: fish bowl, a big tank over my head for this.

632
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 4: You know, it was deeply practical.

633
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: Magic Hollywood, the magic of Hollywood.

634
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 4: You gotta love.

635
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: Are you a cat person at all?

636
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 6: I am a cat person. I've always grew up with

637
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 6: cats when never had dogs. I have two enormous main

638
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 6: coon cats right now, beautiful, and the dogs have worked

639
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 6: their way into the picture too. But yeah, I'm a

640
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 6: cat person at heart, very much.

641
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 4: So that was easy.

642
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: When did you realize that this was becoming a phenomenon, Like,

643
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: at what point did it hit you that like, oh

644
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: my gosh, this is mascot forever. Yeah, I'm going to

645
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: be this cat for the rest of this episode.

646
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 6: I think it was a slower reveal for me than

647
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 6: for guys like you, because you're out with your faces.

648
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 6: You guys could go to seven eleven for a pack

649
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 6: of smokes and people would wet their pants. I'm sure,

650
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 6: you know, but I don't look like a cat. Nobody

651
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 6: vibes me that way, you know. I think, you know,

652
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 6: it's pretty anonymous work, but people would hear my voice

653
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 6: because I don't do it.

654
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: It wasn't like I'm dealing one of those nickeloneon boys.

655
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: You know.

656
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 6: It's pretty much me with more sauce on it, you know.

657
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 6: And and you know what it would happen is I

658
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 6: remember going, you know, it's funny because as much as

659
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 6: our shows, I know, you guys know this one. It

660
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 6: owned a generation of kids and girls, in particular Friday nights.

661
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 6: But there was also a generation of girls who were

662
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 6: getting dulled up on Friday to go out and they

663
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 6: loved their TGIF too, right. Yeah, And I remember going

664
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 6: to remember Billy Martin's on Sunset Plaza. Oh it was

665
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 6: it was a really billy Martin. The oldi Achey manager

666
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 6: had one in New York and one in LA and

667
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 6: it was great elite western wear, really good boutique store

668
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 6: right up at Sunset Plaza with all the eurotrash weirdos

669
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 6: and all that.

670
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: But there's like, it's only the cowboy boots.

671
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 6: Anyway, I go in there and I bought something, and

672
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 6: I put my credit card down, and the and and

673
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 6: I got name recognition on the credit card from the

674
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 6: sales person and she melted down. And that was for me,

675
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 6: that moment where I went, oh, this is getting interesting.

676
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 4: And when credit card bill that was exactly exactly and

677
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 4: that's the one that pays you.

678
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 6: It was like a silver one and it was really

679
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 6: cool and that didn't bounce and I wasn't thrown out.

680
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 6: But there were also bad moments so that like, you know,

681
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 6: people would want to tell their young kids, much like

682
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 6: the experience you just had, well that I you know,

683
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 6: it was the cat and the cat wasn't real, and

684
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 6: there'd be a kid who wasn't ready to handle that information,

685
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 6: let alone look at me and associate, you know, and

686
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 6: they go.

687
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: No, he's the cat, Billy's don't. I don't need this.

688
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 4: I don't need it. He really doesn't mean I'm good.

689
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: Oh man, Did.

690
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: You know Caroline Ray from the comedy scene before you

691
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: worked on that show together?

692
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: Not really.

693
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 6: I remember she came in on a twenty or third

694
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 6: Street one week. I think she hosted Sasty as we

695
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 6: called Short Spent Theater, and I think I might have

696
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 6: met her fleetingly there, but I didn't.

697
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: I didn't.

698
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 6: I didn't know anybody over there before that. But as

699
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 6: you know, we got to know each other well.

700
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 5: Yes, of course, did it change the dynamic on the

701
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 5: set at all, or how you were with the cast

702
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 5: and the writing crew when you left to go right

703
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 5: for King of Queen's but we're still doing the Voice

704
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 5: of the Cat.

705
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 6: No, Because it was really isolated, you know. Honestly. I

706
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 6: would go in on Friday mornings before my King of

707
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 6: Queen's shoot day or tape night, and it was me

708
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 6: and Jim Hilton, who was our post producer, and we'd

709
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 6: go over to Paramount to a sound stage and we'd

710
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 6: roll it and we'd be done so I could be

711
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 6: at my other job by ten. So I was really isolated,

712
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 6: other than you know, Christmas parties and things here and there,

713
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 6: and I remember going to a party once when it

714
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 6: moved over.

715
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: To the WB.

716
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 6: Okay, But honestly, you know, and and and you know,

717
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 6: there's the writing gig on these shows is there's no time,

718
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 6: you know, and doing like King Queen's like, you know,

719
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 6: you're you're, you're there is no hiatus, there is no downtime,

720
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 6: and you're there, you're lockdown. So it wasn't like I

721
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 6: was avoiding people. It was that I was in a gulag.

722
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, was there ever any jealousy with the other writers

723
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: that you were the voice of the cat?

724
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 6: No, you know, everybody was thrilled. And it's nice when

725
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 6: you can have the voice in the room.

726
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: That's I was just gonna say.

727
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 5: I mean, that must be so great when you're writing

728
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 5: or pitching lines, actually have the voice there with You's

729
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 5: got to be incredible.

730
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure there are scenarios where that would be

731
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 6: the case, but that that first the staff that first

732
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 6: four years was wonderful and really into it. And the

733
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 6: other thing is that you know, that character was a

734
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 6: great get out of jail free card for the writers

735
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 6: on so many levels. You know, you want exposition, tell

736
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 6: it to the there's.

737
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: A cat can do it.

738
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know that just got easy.

739
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 6: And also you know it's that old like showbiz thing,

740
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 6: like you know, puppets just get away with more ye.

741
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 6: So you know, if you had a little edge, if

742
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 6: you had a joke, that might not quite you know, right,

743
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 6: give it to the cat. Cat gets away with murders.

744
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 6: So the cat was quite popular with the writers for

745
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 6: writerly reasons.

746
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: Oh God's amazing.

747
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Not only then did Salem become a star on Friday

748
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: Nights with Sabrina, but then you start doing TGIF commercials,

749
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: and you even enter the world of Boy Meets World

750
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: when you become the connective tissue for all of the

751
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: shows who are doing time travel at theisodes? Do you

752
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: remember anything specific about that?

753
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 6: I had to watch a little this morning. I'll be

754
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 6: honest with you. I was like, I remember, I didn't.

755
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 6: I didn't remember the premise that well. I knew that

756
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 6: he was running through the shows and there was a

757
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 6: time element, but I had to brush up on my

758
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 6: Shakespeare a little bit. And you know, again, especially in

759
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 6: those cases, it was very disembodied. I think I recorded

760
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 6: the you know, it's funny. I was watching, like, you know,

761
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 6: when he's in the trash can, at the end of

762
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 6: your episode. I was like, y wow, I you know,

763
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 6: I think that is that paramount. I don't know where

764
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 6: that is, but you know, it was fascinating. I love

765
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 6: to seeing you.

766
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 4: Guys in the old stuff.

767
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 5: Though.

768
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 4: It was great.

769
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 6: I kept thinking about that original Star Trek Forties episode.

770
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 6: It was like, you guys really did something cool with it.

771
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's not one of our favorites.

772
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 4: That's why I told me everything.

773
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there were there were other eras people got

774
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: to go back to that. You know, we got we

775
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: had war.

776
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 5: Let's go to the other tunnels of World War two

777
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 5: where all the comedy takes place.

778
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Sure, there was a seventies and we now got World

779
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: War two.

780
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 4: Okay, true, Okay, you're right, I forgot. We got the

781
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 4: swing in the sixties.

782
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 5: We were told we got to pick last our show,

783
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 5: so we literally got what was left.

784
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had.

785
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: What was left was the nineteen forties.

786
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 5: By the way, speaking of forties, neither of them understood

787
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 5: your Star Trek forties reference.

788
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: I got it.

789
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: It was great.

790
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 3: They you just blew right by bye bye.

791
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's going back aways it is.

792
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 5: It's not as good as a piece of the action

793
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 5: where they're the uh, the actual gangsters.

794
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: But it's still great.

795
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

796
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: Was there a for talk of a Salem spin off,

797
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: like a you know, an Alf thing. Alf had that

798
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: holiday special?

799
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 6: Nothing serious, No, you know, it's it's interesting. I think

800
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 6: there there was I think a little tension over the

801
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 6: character's popularity. You know, it was always an interesting gig.

802
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 6: I was very grateful for it, and it was nothing

803
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 6: but good for me. And you know, we used to

804
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 6: get two year pickups. You know, it's just you know,

805
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 6: there's nothing, nothing to complain about. But it was always

806
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 6: interesting because you know, the show was produced by a

807
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 6: wing of Viacom at the time that was particularly ruthless

808
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 6: and mercenary. And I always knew, you know, I better

809
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 6: mind my p's and q's here because they'll get Billy

810
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 6: West in here in a minute, you know.

811
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 5: They yeah, they'll do something.

812
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 6: They'll get you know, they ca the show's launched. They

813
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 6: could they could have you know, a pig fart my voice. Now,

814
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 6: they don't care. They are not about quality. Sole I

815
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 6: had to, you know, pick my battles.

816
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 5: Did they know it wasn't there at some point, I

817
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 5: don't know if there was talk of or they actually did.

818
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 5: Wasn't there an animated series or some sort that happened?

819
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 6: Yeah?

820
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the movies, video games, an animated show.

821
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 6: There was tons of stuff, you know, looking back on it, No,

822
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 6: they got glue out of the hoofs of that stuff,

823
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 6: you know. And I did the animated series too, and

824
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 6: that was surreal because I'd done a lot, done a

825
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 6: lot of animated and that one I never got a script.

826
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 6: It was they had the whole thing. It was like

827
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 6: they're like sixties whatever, eight episodes. They were all written.

828
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 6: I mean, this thing was done so on the cheap,

829
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 6: and I would just get these sessions where they would

830
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 6: give me wild lines. I would go there for three

831
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 6: hours and just do wild lines with no context. And

832
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 6: yet I knew the character enough that I was like.

833
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 4: Ye, Blazer, confusing careful.

834
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 6: I wouldn't if I were it just you know, I

835
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 6: knew all the lines almost. It's like handicapping football without

836
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 6: knowing that teams. Oh it's a divisional home game, I'll

837
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 6: take the plus three. I don't even know who's playing.

838
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 6: It's that kind of thing.

839
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 4: I would do like forty lines and then.

840
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 6: The director would go, oh, oh you're angry. Here I

841
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 6: go oh okay. You know, I wouldn't know what or

842
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 6: who would I just go, well, careful, all right, moving on,

843
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 6: you know, we bang that whole thing out, surreal.

844
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, stuff, I mean, just just say words, just say words.

845
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean exactly.

846
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 6: And I watched them and you know, not the world's great,

847
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 6: it's cartoon, but my character makes sense. And that is

848
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 6: just as baffling as anything to me. It's like this,

849
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 6: you know, this thinking and this acting. It's highly overrated.

850
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: You were also on The Simpsons as Salem.

851
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, that was in a brief moment where there

852
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 6: was some scene where they're at the Smithsonian Institute and

853
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 6: I can't remember what Simpson care aracter knocks over a

854
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 6: domino effect display of things that were on TV shows

855
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 6: that aren't supposed to talk, and you know, I can't

856
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 6: know what that's Salem because there's a Salem doll as

857
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 6: one of them, and I am like, hey, you know,

858
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 6: that's the whole thing, you know, but it's like the

859
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 6: robot from Lost in Space and Salem and something else.

860
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 4: It's like things that I are supposed to talk.

861
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: My gosh, Well, we have forced you to focus on

862
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: very specific family shows. But as we have mentioned, You've

863
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: had a wildly successful career in Hollywood as a true

864
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: renaissance man. You went from Sabrina to writing and producing

865
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: King of Queen's Till Death two and a half Men, Mom,

866
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: Young Sheldon. You also like appeared in almost all of them.

867
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: So you've consistently partnered with TV Dge and Chuck Lorie,

868
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: most recently on a show you created with him, Bookie

869
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: on Max, and you never gave up voice acting, most

870
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: notably Norbert and Angry Beavers. How many of these people

871
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: that you work with now and over the years have

872
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: known you were also Salem the Cat all of them.

873
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 6: It comes out eventually, you know, it's very interesting. I

874
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 6: actually it's funny. I went down to I'm working right now.

875
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 4: Thank you for plugging Bookie by the way, that I want.

876
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: To talk about it.

877
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I went down the hall. There's a woman who

878
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 6: works in our building who worked in PR for years,

879
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 6: and I said, I have to pick your brain from

880
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 6: my wife about this Baldoni situation. And we were talking

881
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 6: and like that got her inside scoop and there are

882
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 6: two younger women who work with her. She came up

883
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 6: to me later and said, you know, I told them

884
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 6: and there's a meltdown.

885
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 4: So you know, it's like you know, it happens. I

886
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: don't think about identity. You can't. I'll tell you I failed.

887
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 6: I think I failed this country a little bit because

888
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 6: I always said, you know, my voice has a subliminal effect.

889
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 6: I should have run for office because people would have

890
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 6: gone it's persuasive.

891
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 4: And I don't know why. I don't agree with him

892
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 4: on anything.

893
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't know why about.

894
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 6: My soul.

895
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 3: You're angry, You're angry, You're angry.

896
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: There's an answer.

897
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 5: No, You're gonna have to come back at some point

898
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 5: because I'm dying to know what the PR person's take

899
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 5: was on the whole Belton.

900
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: Talk about that, brought it up right before before came out,

901
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about it.

902
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about it off the record. I want

903
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: you to talk to us about Bookie on Max I.

904
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 6: I'm thrilled to it's We just rolled out the final

905
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 6: episode of season two stars Sebastian Maniscalco, one of my

906
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 6: favorites the most people are aware of, and he's out

907
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 6: on the road right now playing all the years. I

908
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 6: call them hockey rinks and Omar Dorsey, but an amazing cast.

909
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 6: You know Vanessa Forlido Horre Garcia, Andrea Anders and Rob Cordray.

910
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 4: It's, you know, the kind of thing I've always wanted

911
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: to write.

912
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 6: You know, a lot of this job is I always say,

913
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 6: you know, if you're on a show, it's a little

914
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 6: bit like you have to be tofu. You got to

915
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 6: absorb the flavor and make it work. And I love

916
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 6: doing that. But this is kind of if I had

917
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 6: been left to my own devices, what I would have

918
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 6: come up with. And it's about a bookie in La

919
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 6: and people who don't know gambling on sports is still

920
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 6: illegal here, which is one of the rare places in

921
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 6: America that's true. And it's about this guy in his

922
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 6: part partner sort of struggling to get over in sort

923
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 6: of crime gray light area and they have complicated families

924
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 6: and they're just trying to get over and there's this

925
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 6: looming specter of what's going to happen. Like Jorge plays

926
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 6: a guy who used to be a very successful weed

927
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 6: dealer and now is driving a lift car when he

928
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 6: meets them and they hire him. You know, it's just it,

929
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 6: and I think there's something relatable because I think all

930
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 6: of us look, you know, as a writer. I just

931
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 6: was on strike for a long time with the fear

932
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 6: of AI. If you know, a viacom in Paramount had

933
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 6: access to AI when I was doing the cat, they

934
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 6: probably would have bounced me after two years because they

935
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 6: would have been able.

936
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 4: To you know what I'm saying. It doesn't matter what

937
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 4: line of work you're in.

938
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 6: You wake up one morning, there's an app, there's an algorithm,

939
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 6: there's something that might make you obsolete. So this is

940
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 6: but it's also it's a big it's a big, funny

941
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 6: show with lots of delicious violence. I highly recommend. I

942
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 6: think I'm very.

943
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 4: Proud of it.

944
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: Well, you've dropped quite a few references. People may have

945
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: been able to pick up on it at this point.

946
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: But you were also a sports expert. You've written for

947
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: ESPN and the NFL, and you're an actual sports center commentator.

948
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: Where do you find time for this? How do you

949
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: keep up?

950
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 4: You know, I no longer do.

951
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 6: Once children entered my life, show running that fell a

952
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 6: little bit by the wayside, although they still get me

953
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 6: in certain fantasy magazines for the expert polls, which you

954
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 6: know makes me catnip to the ladies. But you know,

955
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 6: when I was that's right. Wait until you see my

956
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 6: wide receiver rankings. It's all over. That's my closer question.

957
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 6: What are you drinking? And what do you think about?

958
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 4: All right?

959
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 6: But when I would like I said, back in New York,

960
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 6: I did this show Channel, I did the late night show,

961
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 6: but we also did a show called Sports Monster that

962
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 6: was a parody of Sports Center, and it caught the

963
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 6: eye of ESPN at the time, and also Keith Oberman,

964
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 6: believing me a man who was at that point in

965
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 6: time on the road. He was working in la as

966
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 6: an anchor, but he was on the road to becoming

967
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 6: sort of the uber Sports Center anchor with Dan Patrick.

968
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 6: And when they launched ESPN two, Keith and John Walsch,

969
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 6: who they were really my mentors over there, they brought

970
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 6: me in to do stuff and I used to do

971
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 6: a department there a lot called the Tail the Tape,

972
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 6: and I did a book for Hyperion that collected the

973
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 6: ones I did over the years and some other ones.

974
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 6: It was basically taking the tail the tape boxing thing

975
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 6: of like who's got the advantage, reach height, weigh all

976
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 6: this stuff, but doing absurdist categories. We could do one

977
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 6: right now on Lively Baldoni. So it's an absurdist breakdown

978
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 6: and you declare a winner at the end. And it

979
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 6: was really good, and I would do a very clip

980
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 6: driven so if you're watching Sports Center, you didn't hate

981
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 6: my guts for just talking, you know. And through that,

982
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 6: I started to do a ton of stuff on ESPN.

983
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 6: I worked the Draft, I used to sit in for

984
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 6: Jim Rome on Talk two. I mean it blossomed into

985
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 6: this thing, and it was the thing that when I

986
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 6: started to write a lot on half hours, it was

987
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 6: sort of my sandist sanity pressure valve. I still got

988
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 6: to go write and perform this stuff that I had

989
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 6: control over, and I got to put this sort of funny, satirical,

990
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 6: op ed voice out there, and I was very opinionated

991
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 6: on the world of sports, and ultimately it led to

992
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 6: the most popular thing I did. My wife, Robin and

993
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 6: I did a segment on Sports Center about NFL bad beats.

994
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 6: I mean, Ben Pelt's doing it all the time now,

995
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 6: but I was the original bad beats guys on Sports Center,

996
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 6: where I would show the game footage and say, if

997
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 6: you had Carolina minus three, here's where a.

998
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 4: Kicker destroyed your dreams.

999
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 6: And Robin and I were sort of the sketch element

1000
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 6: where I was the degenerate and she was my wife,

1001
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 6: and it was wildly popular and the NFL eventually shut

1002
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 6: us down when their deal was up. They had a

1003
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 6: show on at the time called Playmakers that was set

1004
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 6: in a mythical NFL where guys are like smoking crack

1005
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 6: at act and when the game deal was up with

1006
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 6: the NFL, the commissioner said, look, you can get games back,

1007
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 6: but you're canceling Playmakers, and that the kai gambling segment's out.

1008
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 6: But for four years before that, and now of course

1009
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 6: everybody's you know, the ESPN has a gambling app, the

1010
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 6: NFL has an official gambling partner. It's hilarious now, but

1011
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 6: you know, back then it was very edgy stuff. But

1012
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 6: we were the only thing on Sports Center where it's like,

1013
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 6: if you bet this game, watch our segment Monday and

1014
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 6: if you get if you've got a bad beat at

1015
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 6: the end end of the game, I'm there.

1016
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 3: Now, are you? Are you a Bills fan? Is that

1017
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 3: what I see the helmet of that?

1018
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the real reason he doesn't talk sports.

1019
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, sorry, no, it's not easy. Now, you know

1020
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 4: how tough.

1021
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 5: I am it's getting it'll be it's getting easier these

1022
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 5: last few years.

1023
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: It's getting easier.

1024
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 4: You know.

1025
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 6: I've been around this planet a while, and I always

1026
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 6: say being a Buffalo sports fan is like being the

1027
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 6: hero in a film noir.

1028
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's really exciting in act too. It's

1029
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 4: great fighting people and you're getting laid. It's amazing, but

1030
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 4: it doesn't end well for you.

1031
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I guess you could the same thing, say

1032
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 5: the same thing about being a Buffalo Bills kicker. So

1033
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 5: it's kind of the same life, Isn't it Not easy?

1034
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: I have to ask you about Paul Blart because I

1035
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: think our listeners would be very bummed if I don't

1036
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: mention it at all. Did you where did that idea

1037
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: come from? Did you first meet him on King of Queens?

1038
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: Is that where You're relationship with Kevin started?

1039
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 6: That's where I met him, and we worked there for

1040
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 6: years together and we developed a really beautiful bond and

1041
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 6: a great comedic relationship. And you know that grew out

1042
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 6: of he had done really well in Hitch. Remember he

1043
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 6: was just great, And yeah, he was sort of poised

1044
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 6: at that point, and the idea was to do something

1045
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 6: to sort of before that momentum evaporated and we sat

1046
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 6: down and we were throwing things around. And I actually

1047
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 6: worked as a security guard in Buffalo. You know, I

1048
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 6: had lots of great jobs. They still help me write

1049
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 6: things to this day. And I spent And the way

1050
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 6: you made money on that job was you did your

1051
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 6: regular gig, and then you got time and a half

1052
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 6: if you worked nights and weekends and those gigs. I

1053
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 6: was always paired with other security guards, and you'd be

1054
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 6: like all night, I'm you know, like in the Hall

1055
00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 6: of Records downtown with some crazy security guard and or all.

1056
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 6: I was all over the world with these guys, and

1057
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 6: they were all many of these guys took the job

1058
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 6: very seriously, and so I developed a profile and and

1059
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 6: so Kevin and I started talking and I said, you know,

1060
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 6: but and Kevin's bread and butter is sincerity, and so

1061
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 6: we just started talking and we got into this. And

1062
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 6: I have to say, Kevin's the one who said I

1063
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 6: should be on one of those you know vehicles, and

1064
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 6: because he's he's just funny, we did it. There's a

1065
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 6: king Queen's with a whole tag is just Kevin screwing

1066
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 6: up on a forklift it's the funniest thing. He's funny physically,

1067
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 6: he's funny on vehicles.

1068
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 4: We knew this.

1069
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 6: Put him on a golf cart, put him on a forklift.

1070
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 6: It's gold and uh. And we just quickly arrived at okay,

1071
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 6: it's a dreamer, delusional mall cop and let's just make

1072
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 6: it die hard on them all, you know. And and

1073
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 6: we sold that fast. We wrote that fast, and it

1074
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 6: was but we did not expect it to be as

1075
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 6: popular as it was. That was really kind of a

1076
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 6: deeply exciting moment, that opening weekend.

1077
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 4: That's cool.

1078
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: Well, finally, before I let you go, looking back now

1079
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: at specifically Sabrina the Teenage Witch TGAF Friday Nights, a

1080
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: job you could have never seen coming. It is obviously

1081
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: an iconic character for an entire generation and now, thanks

1082
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: to streaming, for generations to come. What are your emotions

1083
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: or thoughts when you look back at young Nick and

1084
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: you think about those opportunities and you voicing Salem so

1085
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: early in your career.

1086
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 6: You know, it's really interesting, you know, you start out

1087
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 6: with this career dream and you just you know, my

1088
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 6: original dream was, man, I just don't want to work

1089
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 6: a square job, you know, It's like, you know, if

1090
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 6: I get an equity card, you start in those small

1091
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 6: increments and in the milestones change on you.

1092
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 4: So much of.

1093
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 6: It was just I'd love to not have to spend

1094
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 6: as much of my energy doing things I don't care about,

1095
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 6: and that fruition is the best part always. But you know,

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Speaker 6: and you know, it's funny. I met you guys down

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00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 6: at that convention in Tampa. I don't have I don't

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00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 6: get to go to those things. That's the only time

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00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 6: I ever got to. And that was really interesting for

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00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 6: me because that was my opportunity to see that the

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00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 6: show has this. I mean, I've done so many into things,

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00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 6: but you know, look, I'm so proud of Bookie and

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00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 6: I loved every minute of doing it, but Sabrina is

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00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 6: the thing that this lasting impact. You guys see this

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00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 6: all the time.

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00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 4: I don't.

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00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 6: When I met people who love the show and then

1108
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 6: they're introducing it to their kids, and the and the

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00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 6: way they express their appreciation for it, and you see

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00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 6: it manifest it that way, and you really, well, you know,

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00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 6: I actually did something.

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00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 4: With legs that's a whole other level.

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00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 6: I never expected that and to come full circle, you know,

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00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 6: it's the thing that I didn't expect it to be,

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00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 6: you know that the one I went in going okay,

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00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 6: you know, yeah, right, you know you're you're never going

1117
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 6: to get it right when you try to predict your outcomes,

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00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 6: So try things right, try them, because this one's been

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00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 6: just beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Well, Nick, thank you so much for coming and spending

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00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 1: so much time talking to us. A pleasure to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. You've had such an interesting, fascinating career. It's

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00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: great to great to hear you reminiscent it all, So

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00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: thank you. Thanks for having me check out Booky on Max. Yeah,

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00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: where else can we find you? Where else can we

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00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: see you? That's on Max? Bookie? What else you know?

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00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 4: I'm right now. We're shooting.

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Speaker 6: I got a show coming up on Netflix. It's a

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00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 6: half hour with the comedian Leanne Morgan and you guys

1130
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 6: will like this. It's an old school multi came with

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Speaker 6: an audience.

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00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: Oh thank god.

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00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 6: We're just shooting I think our seventh or eighth episode

1134
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 6: next week. So we're back in the old uh, back

1135
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 6: in the belly of the beast. And it's been really

1136
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 6: fun and she's been delightful. It's on Netflix, so you

1137
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 6: know it'll take them three years to translate it into

1138
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 6: you know, every language under the sun. But it's coming

1139
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 6: at you in and it's really fun.

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00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: Great.

1141
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: Thank you wonderful.

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00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: Well, thank you again for being here with us. Nick.

1143
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: We'll look forward to seeing you next time.

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00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 4: You guys are blast. Thanks for having me.

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00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: Thank you bye.

1146
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 5: Oh.

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00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: I still do want to know what that PR person

1148
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: said about the Baldoni.

1149
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 3: I'm the same way.

1150
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 5: He's also one of those guys where I feel like

1151
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 5: he and I speak the same language. Oh yeah, guys

1152
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 5: like you meet somebody and you're like, it'll be like

1153
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 5: writer meeting another professor.

1154
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: So we picked up on that right and I just

1155
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: stayed pretty quiet.

1156
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 3: We speak the same language.

1157
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 5: I know this guy, okay, yeah yeah, just the old

1158
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 5: school kind of comedy and the really random references.

1159
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, love love for sure.

1160
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: He's so interesting, so many interesting careers, and it's funny

1161
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: that how much what he said at the very beginning

1162
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: of the episode reminded me of what Rusty says. It's like,

1163
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: you can bang your head against door A, but eventually,

1164
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: if you know, DOORB opens and you don't walk through it,

1165
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, it's it's just it's.

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00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 5: Funny you say that he said a couple things that

1167
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 5: reminded me of Rusty. The other thing Rusty used to

1168
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 5: always say to me was I knew when I was

1169
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 5: coming up, I just never wanted to wear a suit

1170
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 5: to work.

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00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 3: Right, He's like, I.

1172
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 5: Just knew he would always say that to me. He's like,

1173
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 5: I didn't know what I wanted to do. I just

1174
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 5: knew I didn't want to wear a suit to work.

1175
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 5: And you got that same kind of vibe from Nick

1176
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 5: where it was just like, no, I don't.

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00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: Know exactly what it is. Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah, it's

1178
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 3: like I just don't want to wear a suit to work,

1179
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: So the same kind of thing.

1180
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, thank you all for joining us for this

1181
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow

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00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,040
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1183
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,160
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1184
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Speaker 3: I still don't believe Salem was a puppet.

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Speaker 1: March pod meets Worldshow dot com writer, send us out.

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