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Speaker 1: San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it? I did it because I

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Speaker 2: was foolish. Listen to how to Bribe a Judge on

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Speaker 2: Revolver podcast dot com, Apple podcast, Stitcher, or wherever you

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Speaker 2: get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: The John Nnick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: Podcasts, Guy Kenny Florian, Oh my god, you're your hosts,

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Speaker 4: John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: You know flow.

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Speaker 6: I think I need one of those stand up desks

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Speaker 6: for today. I'm so excited. But because there is a

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Speaker 6: video component now, I'm gonna stay seated. Yes, it is

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Speaker 6: good to see you man. It's Monday, May seventh, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: Is the year.

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Speaker 6: Good to have you guys with us, Episode one fifty

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Speaker 6: four of the An and Florian Podcast. I think the

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Speaker 6: listeners know at this point that when we do take

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Speaker 6: a week off, and it's only a couple times a year,

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Speaker 6: we do fifty shows at least a year. But that

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Speaker 6: I miss Kenny more than he misses me, and that

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Speaker 6: I'm largely okay with that three plus years into this podcast.

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Speaker 5: I mean, did you miss me at all last Monday?

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Speaker 6: Of course you must have, because you woke up and

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Speaker 6: you thought we had a show.

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Speaker 5: I did. I texted.

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Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I listen. I might be a

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Speaker 1: little late. I had some kind of excuse. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the hell was going on. You're like, we

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Speaker 1: don't have a show, dude, leave me alone. I was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, fine, I reach out and you're gonna tell

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Speaker 1: me we're not.

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Speaker 5: Going to talk. That's fine. We had the bye week.

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Speaker 6: But hopefully at least you were thinking of me when

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Speaker 6: you were watching the Boston Celtics pseudo.

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Speaker 5: I mean, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 7: With?

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Speaker 1: The first thing I said is annex jumping up and down.

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Speaker 1: And then I was like, how much money did he

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Speaker 1: put on the games?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: How much did he bet on Philadelphia to try to

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Speaker 6: purchase a Boston victory? I gotta say, though, man, and

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Speaker 6: it's incredible to watch this Celtics team. And I know

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Speaker 6: a lot of our listeners don't necessarily care about the NBA,

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Speaker 6: but it is crunch time in the United States of

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Speaker 6: America right now for the Stanley Cup playoffs and hockey

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Speaker 6: in the NBA playoffs. In basketball and our hometown Boston

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Speaker 6: Celtics were massive underdogs going into this series against the

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Speaker 6: Philadelphia seventy six Ers. They were five point dogs in

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Speaker 6: Game one at home, five point dogs in Game two

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Speaker 6: at home, ten point underdogs in Game three in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 6: Scoreboard reads three nil Boston, despite the fact that there

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Speaker 6: was confetti coming down after the Sixers tied up Game three.

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Speaker 5: So I'm a little fired up today.

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Speaker 6: I know the series is not over, and even though

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Speaker 6: no team in NBA history has come back from three

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Speaker 6: Philadelphia up off the mat tonight can flow because once

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Speaker 6: they get one, they are the more talented team, I think,

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Speaker 6: at least according to most of the experts out there.

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Speaker 5: You gotta be careful not to let them get any life.

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Speaker 1: If you know what I'm saying, Finish them, Finish them

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yeah. It's amazing, man.

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Speaker 1: Always always fun to be a Boston sports fan the

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Speaker 6: Man well coached team and obviously it's been a good

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Speaker 6: and coaches want to coach there. This Brad Stevens is

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Speaker 6: are done. Tampa Bay Lightning eliminated them. Kentucky Derby over

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Speaker 6: the weekend. Now, Kenny, we have talked off the air

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Speaker 6: about at one point going to the Kentucky Derby. You

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Speaker 1: I went to Santa Anita. I went to Santa Anita

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Speaker 6: Of course, you're getting invites to the Kentucky Derby, where

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Speaker 5: You know, you don't have to reveal that away.

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Speaker 6: You know, most people, most people who get invited to

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Speaker 5: But how do you turn that invite down? Kid?

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Speaker 6: I'm not like I'm gonna go in twenty twenty and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, too deep so far, kid, nothing easy about it.

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Speaker 6: But I will say too on the Kentucky Derby. I

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Speaker 6: so much money betting on the Philadelphia seventy six ers

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Speaker 1: What is it worth it though? That's the most important thing.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I mean, I don't know if it's good for

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Speaker 6: we have a lot to get into today. I mean,

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Speaker 6: it's a pay per view fight week, Kenny, I know

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Speaker 6: you're excited. Ray Longo is going to join us here

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Speaker 6: coming up in Rio de Janeiro. My yellow fever shots

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Speaker 3: But we are.

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Speaker 5: We are ready to go to Rio. But before we do,

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Speaker 6: I just want to get your thoughts on a few things,

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Speaker 6: your boy, Damian Maya replacing Santiago ponzin Ebo against Kamara Usman.

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Speaker 6: That's your new main event Santiago, Chile. That fight is

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Speaker 6: twelve days from now, May nineteenth on FS one, And

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to get a quick thought from you

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Speaker 6: because Usman was about a minus two to twenty favorite

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Speaker 6: Now he's a minus four hundred favorite against Damian Maya,

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Speaker 6: and certainly some of that betting line speaks to the

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Speaker 6: short noticed nature of this fight for Damian Maya. Do

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Speaker 6: you think this is an easier fight on paper? You know,

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Speaker 6: those circumstances are part of the equation, but Vegas suggests

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Speaker 6: that this is an easier fight Damian Maya than a

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Speaker 6: prime Santiago Ponzinibio for Kamaro Usman.

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Speaker 5: Do you see it that way?

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Speaker 1: I agree, and I disagree. Obviously, Maya taking the fight

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Speaker 5: Right there on on Uzman.

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Speaker 1: But I do think anytime you get a guy in

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Speaker 1: Uzman who primarily relies on his grappling game to get

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Speaker 1: to kind of force him to use is wrestling, try

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Speaker 1: the triangle and submission attacks from Damien Maya. I don't

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be difficult.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Maya is a huge one hundred and seventy pounder. He's

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Speaker 1: People forget about that. First of all. I wonder how

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Speaker 1: that's not an easy fight.

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Speaker 5: Again, I'm a little surprised by that by that cost.

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Speaker 6: There well, and I think inflation area is a good

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Speaker 5: But this is no picnic, right.

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Speaker 6: I mean people used to avoid Damien Maya like yellow fever, right,

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Speaker 6: I mean, like the play. People didn't want to go

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Speaker 6: you gotta be fucking kidding me, kidding me, But I

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Speaker 1: Usma Uzman is a beast, have a lot of respect

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Speaker 1: for him. I still probably consider him a favorite at

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Speaker 1: this point. But for you gamblers out there, I think

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Speaker 6: For Maya, and I do I would say on Kamara Usman,

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Speaker 6: I have said on these airwaves he might be the

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Speaker 6: Tyron Woodley. So you know how highly I feel about him. Yes,

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Speaker 6: as you said, he deserves to be favored in the fight.

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying Damian Maya shorter notice or otherwise not him.

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Speaker 5: Nick.

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Speaker 6: Once the octagon door closes, all right, it did not

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Speaker 6: take your boy Israel out of Sonya. I keep saying,

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Speaker 6: your boy, But some of these guys are your guys.

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Speaker 6: The last stal Bender Israel, lot of Sonya didn't take

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Speaker 6: him long to get his first UFC main event. It's

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Speaker 6: his third UFC appearance over all, Kenny, all of them

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Speaker 6: here in twenty eighteen. It is July sixth Tough Finale

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Speaker 6: on the eve of UFC two twenty six and it

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Speaker 6: comes against the UFC tested Brad Tavores. Now, this is

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Speaker 6: a fight Kenny, that Atasanya wanted. These guys both competed

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Speaker 6: in mid April and Glendale, Arizona, so the calendar is

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Speaker 6: certainly aligned. But Atasanya, I believe saying at that time

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Speaker 6: I'd like it to be a main event, but I'm

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Speaker 6: not sure it'll materialize because I'm clearly the A side

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Speaker 6: in this equation. At Asania is gonna come out of

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Speaker 6: the blue corner here, but Kenny, he is largely the

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Speaker 6: Act three for the last dial Bend are coming up

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Speaker 6: here against the Hawaiian Brad Tavars.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is interesting because I'm curious to see how

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Speaker 3: It's now time for the ray Long Minute.

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Speaker 7: And I'm gonna punch a hole in That's what I want.

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Speaker 6: And I don't know if you always look that good

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Speaker 7: But thank you very much, guys. Man. I missed that

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Speaker 5: Is that what happened?

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Speaker 5: Did you know what? It's?

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Speaker 1: It's about me. I didn't want to do this podcast.

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Speaker 5: Look at you.

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Speaker 5: We're live this weekend exactly.

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Speaker 1: We're setting ourselves up to fail again. And the problem

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Speaker 1: I mean what happened, and you feel powerless, right, you

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you what you feel, Kenny. It's a shitty feeling,

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Speaker 5: That's frustrating, don't.

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Speaker 7: you know what I mean. And that's that's the way

435
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Speaker 7: I look at This is an easy one to correct.

436
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Speaker 7: This is a really easy one to correct.

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Speaker 6: All right, Well, before we get your thoughts on UFC

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Speaker 6: two twenty four, I just want to circle back on

439
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Speaker 6: al Jamin Sterling because he was on our show right

440
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Speaker 6: after you got off last week, and we talked a

441
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Speaker 6: little bit about some of the bantam weights coming up

442
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Speaker 6: who are in action, Jimmy Rivera, Marlin Morice with the

443
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Speaker 6: main event and first rob font Hafela Sonsaw coming up

444
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Speaker 6: in July. Of course the title fight in August. But

445
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Speaker 6: if the dominant Cruz fight does not materialize for Aljo

446
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Speaker 6: because Cruz continues on the men from a broken arm,

447
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Speaker 6: how would you quantify Aljo's ability to step in and

448
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Speaker 6: succeed if he only had a few weeks to get

449
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Speaker 6: ready for one of the other big names in this division.

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Speaker 7: You know, look, I think I mean I first of

451
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Speaker 7: if I love the dominic Cruz fight, I think that's

452
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Speaker 7: a great fight. I'd love to see that. I'd love

453
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Speaker 7: to train him for. It'll be a ch challenge. Everybody

454
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Speaker 7: respects Domina Cruz and what he's done, So I think

455
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Speaker 7: even for Aljo, that's just a big thing to be

456
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Speaker 7: in the octa shitty octagon with a guy like that.

457
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Speaker 7: So I love that fight. He's got a great team,

458
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Speaker 7: you know, It's it's just that that fight's just good,

459
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Speaker 7: really good. I love it. Look, Aljo's always in the gym,

460
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Speaker 7: and I think sometimes for Aljo, short noticed stuff might

461
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Speaker 7: even be better for him, because you know, it doesn't

462
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Speaker 7: give him time to really like think too much. And

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Speaker 7: as long as Aljo's in shape and he's doing the

464
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Speaker 7: right thing, which I think is what he should be

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Speaker 7: doing now when he gets back from vacation, I'm sure

466
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Speaker 7: he'll he'll jump right back in the gym. You know,

467
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Speaker 7: now's the time. I mean, you know, these are opportunities

468
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Speaker 7: that if somebody you know, gets hurt when not wishing

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Speaker 7: that on anybody, but if you're ready to step in

470
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Speaker 7: and you could seize the moment, man, that's what it's

471
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Speaker 7: all about, I think, And I think, you know, Chris

472
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Speaker 7: Widman was a perfect example of that. Man. He took

473
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Speaker 7: fights on very short notice because he had the belief

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Speaker 7: in himself and he really wanted to get to the top.

475
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Speaker 7: He was very focused, and I think all these guys

476
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Speaker 7: you know, need to be doing the same thing. You

477
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Speaker 7: have to train like you you always have to be

478
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Speaker 7: ready for a fight a week from him today, you

479
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Speaker 7: know what I mean, not even three weeks. You have

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Speaker 7: to really be in shape for where these guys are at.

481
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Speaker 7: That's the mentality I like, be ready to go. If

482
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Speaker 7: you get that call, you know, and the other guy

483
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Speaker 7: is gonna think you were sleeping, You're not. You're always

484
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Speaker 7: ready to go. And these guys are at a point

485
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Speaker 7: now where they can make money and jump into the

486
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Speaker 7: limelight like that. I think that's that's the play man

487
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Speaker 7: is for al Jo to always be ready and if

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Speaker 7: something happens, he's ready to jump in, just like al did.

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Speaker 5: Right Ray, you mentioned Chris Widman.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about one of his opponents who

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Speaker 1: are fighting or one of his former opponents that are

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Speaker 1: fighting this weekend. Kelvin Gaslam taking on Jock Ray Sosa.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've done your homework on these two guys.

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Speaker 1: Who wins this fight?

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Speaker 7: You know, look, this is it's not like tricky, I

496
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Speaker 7: mean standing up wise obviously the edge just to gastol him.

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Speaker 7: He's been a world beata on the floor. I think

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Speaker 7: Gasoline will get submitted. Chay obviously is no joke. Kenny,

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Speaker 7: get that fight to the floor. I think when we

500
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Speaker 7: were looking at Kelvin he's not frantic to defect the takedown,

501
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Speaker 7: so we knew Chris would get him down. And I

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Speaker 7: think when you got skills and that type of size

503
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Speaker 7: on the floor, that's gonna be really bad for Kelvin.

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Speaker 7: It's not like like I think he could get up

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Speaker 7: from the ground and pound, but I think if Jocko

506
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Speaker 7: Ray could get that to the floor, he's gonna submit him. Now, Kenny,

507
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Speaker 7: get it to the floor, you know. I hope that's that.

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Speaker 7: I hope that's the correction that Kelvin makes. He gets

509
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Speaker 7: a little frantic and he keeps that fight stand and

510
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Speaker 7: he'll be very successful.

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Speaker 5: So you got a bookie there in New York state,

512
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Speaker 5: you got in the action this weekend? Or no?

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Speaker 7: Uh no, it is a lot of bookies in New York.

514
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Speaker 7: But I haven't even looked at what are the odds

515
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Speaker 7: on that fight.

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Speaker 6: Jacquaray is a minus one fifty favorite. Kelvin Gastolom coming

517
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Speaker 6: back at plus one twenty, so it's pretty close. I

518
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Speaker 6: was asking because I need a book. I'm in trouble

519
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Speaker 6: with my guy.

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Speaker 7: Oh you're that's not good. I mean, well, maybe.

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Speaker 5: We see Annick. If we see Annik limping on the broadcast.

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Speaker 5: We'll know what happened.

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Speaker 7: I'll cool my guy, Joe Mattaatz.

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Speaker 5: We'll see what are you doing for you? All right? Hey,

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Speaker 5: last thing before we let you go.

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Speaker 6: And I'm just sort of piggybacking on what you said

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Speaker 6: about Alja main Sterling and Chris Wyman. Wyman always stepping

528
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Speaker 6: up and was on a relatively active schedule and then

529
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Speaker 6: all of a sudden you have this some thumb surgery

530
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Speaker 6: go sideways and he's out a year. So isn't there

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Speaker 6: a greater point here that like, when you're healthy and

532
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Speaker 6: you're primed, you got to try to fight right because

533
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Speaker 6: you just don't know when all of a sudden you

534
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Speaker 6: tear an ACL and your sidelined for twelve or eighteen months.

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Speaker 6: If you're healthy and a short notice fight comes in,

536
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Speaker 6: you gotta sign it.

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Speaker 7: Man, John, I tell you, really, another great point. And

538
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Speaker 7: even if you are healthy, this window in this sport

539
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Speaker 7: is small, you know what I mean. You got to

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Speaker 7: take everything you can get. So I think you bring

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Speaker 7: up a great point. And I think that's something that

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Speaker 7: the younger guy's coming up will learn from, is that, man,

543
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Speaker 7: when you're feeling good, bang out those fights. Man. The

544
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Speaker 7: activity will be good for if your body could hold

545
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Speaker 7: up to your training. Smart, you're doing everything right. I

546
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Speaker 7: would take advantage of that. I think these guys you know,

547
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Speaker 7: could put away a little messtag too for the future.

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Speaker 7: And I think it's all good. But yeah, take advantage

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Speaker 7: of it. When you're healthy, man, health is wealth man.

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Speaker 7: You don't want to mess around with that, and you

551
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Speaker 7: know due to things you want to do while you're healthy,

552
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Speaker 7: don't wait too long. I think that's a great point.

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Speaker 7: Love it, no.

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Speaker 5: Doubt about it, my man. All Right, we'll have a

555
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Speaker 5: good week.

556
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Speaker 6: We'll let you get back to the Matt Sarah induction

557
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Speaker 6: speech and and we'll talk to you next.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you why, man, it's going good.

559
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Speaker 5: I bet it is.

560
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Speaker 7: We're gonna set him on fire. Kenny, it was horrible.

561
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Speaker 7: You can never take another week off. Never a gattle box,

562
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Speaker 7: no battle bots. You can never take a week off. Well,

563
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Speaker 7: I know what is the show.

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Speaker 1: I think there's health you. You've never looked better, raight.

565
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Speaker 1: The hair is just see if I knew I was

566
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Speaker 1: gonna rub off you see that.

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Speaker 7: I'm feeling good, baby, helped your health as wealth man.

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Speaker 6: I'm franking yeah, baby, thank you buddy, have a great week,

569
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Speaker 6: all right, see right right to man. Thanks the Ray

570
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Speaker 6: Long a minute every week here on the Anak and

571
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Speaker 6: Florian podcast and Kenny in terms of just that point

572
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Speaker 6: on keeping an active schedule, and we talked about al

573
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Speaker 6: Jamain Sterling and Israel Atta Sonya.

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Speaker 5: You'll want to Young j Check.

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Speaker 6: After the twenty five minute championship title loss to Rose

576
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Speaker 6: nama Unis is stepping up here July twenty eighth to

577
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Speaker 6: fight t Sha Torres. I think it'll be the first

578
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Speaker 6: time in nine fights that Yo wanna Young j Check

579
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Speaker 6: will be competing over fifteen and not twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 5: Two schools a thought on this.

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Speaker 6: You know, some suggestion she was turning around too quickly

582
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Speaker 6: for the noma Unis rematch, and now here she is

583
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Speaker 6: turning around. So some probably say, oh, a little bit

584
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Speaker 6: too soon. I would argue the other side of it.

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Speaker 6: A lot of these athletes like to be in an

586
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Speaker 6: active three month schedule and to be competing. And I

587
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Speaker 6: don't know how you, I don't know where you fall

588
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Speaker 6: on this, but to me, training camp sounds like a

589
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Speaker 6: real pain in the ass.

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Speaker 5: You might as well fight it. Here's the deal.

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Speaker 1: You know, you couldn't be more accurate, especially early on

592
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Speaker 1: in your career. I really believe that's one of the

593
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Speaker 1: things that really helped me coming off The Ultimate Fighter

594
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Speaker 1: and people seeing my mug on the television every week,

595
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Speaker 1: and then going in there and staying relatively active throughout

596
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Speaker 1: my career. Aside from a couple injuries, I was fighting

597
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Speaker 1: three four times a year, and I think that helps

598
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Speaker 1: a lot. Look at a guy like Donald Seroni, a

599
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Speaker 1: guy who has never won the belt, but he's as

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Speaker 1: popular as ever. He doesn't need the belt. People are

601
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Speaker 1: always gonna tune in to watch this guy fight. Why

602
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Speaker 1: not only is he exciting, but as you said, he's

603
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Speaker 1: fighting all the time.

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Speaker 5: People know who cowboy is.

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Speaker 1: They see him regularly, they see him performing extremely well,

606
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Speaker 1: win or lose. He's always out there to fight you,

607
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Speaker 1: and I think that helps a lot. That is your marketing,

608
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Speaker 1: that is your ability to stay relevant. That's what's gonna

609
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Speaker 1: help you make more money. That's what's gonna help you,

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Speaker 1: you know, possibly get those title shots a little bit

611
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Speaker 1: sooner because you are staying more active.

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Speaker 5: When you come into the UFC early on and you

613
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Speaker 5: are young and you.

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Speaker 1: Are fresh, and you were injury free, you want to

615
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Speaker 1: stay as active as possible. If you're in and out

616
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Speaker 1: and you're fighting once every couple, you know, a year's

617
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Speaker 1: it's not gonna be enough. People aren't gonna know who

618
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Speaker 1: you are, people aren't gonna want to follow your career.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna hurt you down the line.

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Speaker 1: So the more active you are, there's a lot of

621
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Speaker 1: benefits of even just coming in with a guy like Edisania,

622
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Speaker 1: getting used to the UFC, getting used to the level there,

623
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Speaker 1: you know, getting used to all the things that happen

624
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Speaker 1: on fight week, getting more familiar with the octagon, getting

625
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Speaker 1: more familiar with the UFC organization, getting more familiar with

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Speaker 1: a fight week is going to make you a better fighter.

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Speaker 6: Period, no doubt about it. And I also feel like

628
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Speaker 6: too for a lot of these fighters. Of course, I

629
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Speaker 6: know maybe listening to this, I know it's not that easy, right.

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Speaker 6: I know, for a guy like al jaminer Sterlink coming

631
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Speaker 6: off of vacation to think about being one hundred and

632
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Speaker 6: thirty six pounds on June first sounds like a huge

633
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Speaker 6: ask and that just is the weight, never mind all

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Speaker 6: of the formal training. And I know for a lot

635
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Speaker 6: of fun they screamed from the rooftops and they can't

636
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Speaker 6: necessarily get the three fights a year, So I understand

637
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Speaker 6: it's not a perfect equation, But my general philosophy on

638
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Speaker 6: this for a long time has been, if you're in

639
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Speaker 6: the top twenty, you gotta be ready to go like

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Speaker 6: forty four weeks a year ideally, and if that means

641
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Speaker 6: switching weight classes so you're at a more natural weight class,

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Speaker 6: I feel like so be. I mean, how many non

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Speaker 6: championship main events has Donald Cowboys Seroni gotten because he's

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Speaker 6: always willing regardless of opponent, whether it's Darren Till or

645
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Speaker 6: Leon Edwards or anybody else. But big picture on that

646
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Speaker 6: discussion July twenty eighth in Calgary, Yowanna Youmjcheck, t Schatrrez

647
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Speaker 6: And there's sort of an untold backstory here, Kenny, and

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Speaker 6: I hope more details come out as the fight gets closer.

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Speaker 6: But I'm not saying t Sha Torres left American Top

650
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Speaker 6: Team because of the presence of Yo WANNAYMJ Check. But

651
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Speaker 6: when Yo Wanna arrived at att, she wasn't necessarily training

652
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Speaker 6: with all of the strawweights that were already in trench there,

653
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 6: and she came in as a UFC champion, and I'm

654
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Speaker 6: sure that resulted in her getting some sort of special treatment.

655
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Speaker 6: I know she had a lot of her own people,

656
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Speaker 6: but it seemed like there was a wedge there pretty

657
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 6: early between Joanna and Tisha, And of course, several months thereafter,

658
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 6: Tisha moved her training camp to Colorado. I know that

659
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 6: was motivated more by Pennington than Joanna's presence there. But

660
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Speaker 6: as the journalists out there dig deep, Kenny, there's an

661
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Speaker 6: interesting rivalry underneath this matchup and I'm excited for this

662
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Speaker 6: fight July twenty eight.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I get that, you know, for you Wanna.

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Speaker 1: And I was talking to Alan Joe Ban about this

665
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Speaker 1: the other day, and how you know, if you get

666
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Speaker 1: another person in your weight class and you're able to

667
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Speaker 1: train with them, you have to be careful. You can't

668
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Speaker 1: just go and start training with this person, Dan Start

669
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: become friendly with this person, start to show things, start

670
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: to show things in your game, start to teach them

671
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Speaker 1: a little bit how to do you know, that's a

672
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Speaker 1: tricky process and Yuanna Young Jajok has been very smart

673
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Speaker 1: about that. Now, she probably lost some great training partners

674
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Speaker 1: because of that, but at the same time, there's no

675
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Speaker 1: conflicts going forward. Tisha Tours is an excellent fighter. That's

676
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Speaker 1: a person that if you train with you going I

677
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Speaker 1: might see them down the line, I'm gonna leave them

678
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Speaker 1: on the sideline a little bit. So I think that

679
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Speaker 1: was a smart approach by Yuana, And I'm sure again

680
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Speaker 1: being in the same gym and her maybe her being yo,

681
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Speaker 1: wanna getting more coaching time. You know, again that starts

682
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Speaker 1: to bother some of the other fighters in the gym.

683
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Speaker 1: When you're not able to schedule things around your schedule

684
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Speaker 1: and you see, you know, a fighter get all the

685
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Speaker 1: attention or most of the attention, it could really be frustrating.

686
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Speaker 6: No, it's a great point, and you have to be selfish,

687
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 6: especially at the elite levels. And it's not just Tisha

688
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 6: Torre's you got Jessica Aguilar of course, Nina answer off

689
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 6: and I'm sure it's a tricky thing. We talked talk

690
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 6: so much about the martial arts being rooted in respect

691
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Speaker 6: and a lot of fighters would have walked in there

692
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Speaker 6: and wanted to just be sort of miscongeniality and be

693
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Speaker 6: sort of amicable and just start working with those other fighters.

694
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Speaker 6: But long term that isn't necessarily the best decision, and

695
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Speaker 6: now of course you see a fight between Joanna and

696
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Speaker 6: Tisha materializing, and what a big opportunity now for Tisha

697
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Speaker 6: Torrez to put that Jessica Andrage result.

698
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Speaker 5: In the if you mirror, if she can beat the

699
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Speaker 5: former champ, and.

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Speaker 1: How about this if Tisha is able to pull it off,

701
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Speaker 1: because she actually can. I do think that Tisha could

702
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Speaker 1: win that fight against Yuan. Yeah, Yoana would be oho and.

703
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Speaker 6: Three in her last three fights, well right, and that's

704
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Speaker 6: a big part of the creation for Yohanna j check

705
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Speaker 6: in getting back in there. You know, that's why doesn't

706
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 6: look very fun right now with the l two at

707
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Speaker 6: the top of it.

708
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Speaker 1: This sport is man is, this is the level that

709
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: people are at again. And we've seen it before. We've

710
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: seen it with guys like Chris Wiman coming off losing

711
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Speaker 1: his belt to losing four in a row Anthony pettis

712
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: same thing.

713
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Speaker 5: It can it can go south very quickly in this sport.

714
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: There's so many great and hungry fighters out there that

715
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Speaker 1: are looking to take your place and make a name

716
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Speaker 1: for themselves by beating a former champion.

717
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Speaker 5: You lose one or two fights, you start to lose confidence.

718
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 6: Man, wild brutal sport man you know, I know we

719
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 6: started the show talking about throwing a ball in a hole, right,

720
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 6: A little bit of a different game here when it

721
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 6: comes to fighting. I know Paul Felder Kenny was very

722
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 6: disappointed to not get a main event slot for this

723
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Speaker 6: matchup with James Vick that was announced last week. It's

724
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Speaker 6: number eleven versus number fourteen here in the lightweight division.

725
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 6: I think candidly this is a matchup and a fight

726
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 6: that both guys probably would have liked to avoid as

727
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 6: they try to climb this ladder. I like the fact

728
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 6: that they got two rank guys to sign on the

729
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 6: dotted line. I think he got to be a little

730
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Speaker 6: bit disappointed. For Paul Felder, he was hoping to get

731
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 6: the main event slot in Boise, Idaho, to prove that

732
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 6: he could headline for the promotion and fight five rounds.

733
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Speaker 6: Maybe he thought there was an outside chance that because

734
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Speaker 6: James Vick came off the Ultimate Fighter Live, that they

735
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 6: would get that main event slot on July sixth that

736
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 6: went to Taboris and Atasanya. I understand Felder's disappointment, but

737
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Speaker 6: I just want to get your overall thoughts on that

738
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 6: matchup and both fighters respective willingness to take that fight.

739
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 5: This is a good fight.

740
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Speaker 1: Man, And again, yeah, I'm sure Felder probably wanted another

741
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: fight and wanted a main event slot, and VIC as well.

742
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Speaker 5: For that matter.

743
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: I think Vick's looking to really make a name for himself.

744
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: He's been very vocal about guys of avoiding him. Well,

745
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: this is a good fight. These are guys, the two

746
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: guys that come to fight Felder, a phenomenal striker, a

747
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: guy who is a very big for the division, taking

748
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: on another gigantic lightweight in James Vick. Got to be

749
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: the tallest or one of the tallest in that division

750
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: right now in the UFC. You know, Long has good

751
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: submissions as well, probably has advantage there against Felder. Felder

752
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: is the more technical striker, there's no doubt about that.

753
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: But James Vick is awkward. He has a rhythm that's

754
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: hard to get onto. He'll land shots when you don't

755
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: see him. He does have knockout power and he could

756
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: be awkward to get on the inside against. It could

757
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: be a difficult challenge for Felder, so I'm curious to

758
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: see how he approaches that fight. This is going to

759
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Speaker 1: be a classic. I really think these guys are going

760
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: to go after it.

761
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it could be a classic as well,

762
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 6: and it looks like they are going to end up

763
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Speaker 6: on the poster. I was going back and forth a

764
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 6: little bit with Paul. He said they did tell him

765
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Speaker 6: it was going to be the co main event. It's

766
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Speaker 6: Boise Idaho July fourthenth and I just sort of not

767
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 6: reading too much into Felder's Instagram posts, but he said,

768
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Speaker 6: I guess it's on then sort of it was a

769
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 6: reluctant acceptance on his part, at least in terms of

770
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 6: something relating to this fight with James Vick. But you're right,

771
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 6: I think stylistically it's absolutely fascinating and big picture, the

772
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 6: winner is going to set himself up for a big

773
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 6: fight against somebody in that top ten at one hundred

774
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 6: and fifty five pounds. So hopefully that fight uh stays

775
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 6: on paper when it comes to the health of both fighters.

776
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 6: And for Felder, of course, he was to face Ally

777
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 6: Quinta that was UFC two twenty three in April, get

778
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 6: some money for that week, but he'll have to wait

779
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 6: till July fourteenth to get back inside that octagon. Nate

780
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Speaker 6: Diez making news this week, or at least some reports

781
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 6: of Nate Diz. I think Brett Okamoto ESPN dot Com

782
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 6: had something to the fact that Nate Diez could return

783
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Speaker 6: August fourth, Los Angeles, California, UFC two twenty seven. It's

784
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 6: exciting news when you hear about Nate or Nick trying

785
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 6: to return. Of course, we haven't seen Nathdz since the

786
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 6: second Connor McGregor fight, all the way back then. Your

787
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 6: thoughts on the news involving Nate Diaz and ultimately who

788
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 6: you would like to see him share the octagon with.

789
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 6: If we are to believe that August fourth has any legs.

790
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Speaker 5: At all, that's good news. Listen.

791
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Speaker 1: I love watching Nate and Nick fight. I've been fans

792
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: of there since the very beginning. And those are guys

793
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: that you can rely on again and can rely on

794
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: for a very long time to deliver an exciting fight.

795
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: Those are finishers, whether it's on the feet or on

796
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: the ground, They're always looking for the finish. And again,

797
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: we have a superstar that we haven't seen in a

798
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: long time. And for Nate Diaz, obviously he's been pursuing

799
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: that fight against Connor McGregor.

800
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: He's been pursuing.

801
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: Those big fights, those super fights. There was talk about

802
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: him and Tyron Woodley. I think that'd be interesting.

803
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 5: I really do.

804
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: I think that it'd be an interesting fight for Nate.

805
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: Nate is looking for a big fight. I heard that

806
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: maybe there was some talk about a fight against George

807
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: Saint Pierre. My understanding is that George probably wouldn't be

808
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: interested in that fight, but I expect a big name

809
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: in there against Nate Diz and the fact that they're

810
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: able to get that going, will hopefully get that going

811
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: and we get a chance to see him in the

812
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: octagon again, means that he's probably getting what he wants monetarily,

813
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, to compete inside the octagon. Obviously, we know

814
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: he's going to get a huge payday if he fights

815
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: to Conor McGregor. Would he get a huge payday if

816
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: he fought anybody else. Well, it looks like we have

817
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: that answer. He's probably going to get paid and get

818
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: paid very well, whoever it may be. And I guess

819
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: if I had to pick someone right now, maybe it's

820
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Speaker 1: a Town Woodley.

821
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Speaker 6: And it's crazy to think that Nathdez could be competing

822
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 6: for the UFC Weltaway Championship here in a few short months.

823
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 6: But Tyron Woodley has had that name on the tip

824
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 6: of his tongue for a long time, and perhaps that

825
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 6: ultimately does materialize. We've spent a lot of time on

826
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Speaker 6: this show talking about Nate Diez as a pay per

827
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 6: view draw, and maybe what we know or don't know

828
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 6: about what the internal metrics say about nath Diez's ability

829
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Speaker 6: to move a number and help push that Dila shaw

830
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 6: garbrand pay per view. I don't know, but I just

831
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 6: know that when these guys make any sort of headline,

832
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 6: it feels like it is major, major news. At least

833
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 6: with me as a fight fan, I feel like it's

834
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 6: going to come out of the dustin Poorier Eddie Albarez,

835
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 6: Kevin Lee troika of UFC lightweight contenders. The one thing

836
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 6: that Nate ds Kenny has over most of these guys

837
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 6: at one hundred and fifty five pounds is the fact

838
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 6: that everybody in the top fifteen is dying to fight him,

839
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 6: whether it's because he has a big name or because

840
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 6: they think it is a stylistically favorable matchup. So I

841
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 6: think the Kevin Lee Nate Dz fight has a ton

842
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 6: of legs, and man, the promotion would be absolutely insane.

843
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 6: I think the Eddie Alvarez fight deserves some strong consideration,

844
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 6: and there are reports that Dustin Pourier would accept the

845
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 6: Nate Dz fight. It would be one of the few

846
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 6: fights maybe that he would fight that wouldn't be a

847
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 6: championship fight. So I think Nate's got a lot of options.

848
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Speaker 6: I just hope that it ends up happening on August fourth.

849
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 6: So this weekend, Kenny, it's going to be Amanda Nunez

850
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 6: and Raquel Pennington. And for Nounz, she has obviously gotten

851
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 6: the UFC spotlight several times before.

852
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 5: She is headlined twice.

853
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 6: Well once she should have headlined twice during International Fight Week,

854
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 6: but UFC two thirteen obviously she did not fight Valentina Shevchenko. Now,

855
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 6: for Nounas, she's still four title defenses away from tying

856
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 6: Ronda Rousey's record of six in this women's bandam weight division,

857
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 6: but largely she has been dominant to successful title defenses,

858
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 6: and I gotta think for Noona, she's just excited to

859
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 6: not be sharing the octagon with Valentina Chevchenko, who is

860
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 6: tough and durable and a real pain in the ass.

861
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 6: She's learned that twice. I think Nonaz is really just

862
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 6: bullied by the fact that she's getting some fresh blood

863
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 6: here this weekend.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it's gonna give her a lot of confidence

866
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Speaker 1: knowing that she's gone against you know, in my opinion,

867
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Speaker 1: superior strikers, to someone like Raquel Pennington. Beating someone like

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Speaker 1: Schevchenko not only once, but twice, going you know.

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Speaker 5: What is it?

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Speaker 1: You know, almost forty minutes with someone like that, is

871
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Speaker 1: gonna give you a lot of experience and a lot

872
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Speaker 1: of confidence coming off of those wins. So I think

873
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Speaker 1: for Amanda, you know, while she can lose this fight,

874
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Speaker 1: this is her fight to lose. I think she's better

875
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: on the feet, she's better on the ground, She's more experienced.

876
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: She's gonna have to use her footwork to get in,

877
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Speaker 1: get out, land those shots, land some counter strikes when

878
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: Pennington comes forward, and also.

879
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 5: Trying to mix things up.

880
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: Try to put Pennington on her back a little bit,

881
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: try to wear her down, try to slow her down

882
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: using kicks as well, you know, to slow down that

883
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: lead leg of Pennington will serve her well. But here's

884
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: the thing. Pennington can take a lot of punishment. She's

885
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Speaker 1: also the kind of fighter that really doesn't get down

886
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Speaker 1: on herself. She thrives when she deals with adversity. She

887
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: can continue going forward. She has a very good chin,

888
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: she's grimy, she can grind out rounds, and she knows

889
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Speaker 1: how to win rounds. I think she's fought way smarter

890
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: in her last few fights. You see her coming in

891
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: here with a lot of momentum, you know. And I

892
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: also think coaching is helping her a lot. She's been

893
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Speaker 1: helping Tsha Tours with her game and some of the

894
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Speaker 1: other fighters. And I think anytime you're able to mentor

895
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Speaker 1: fighters and coach other people, well, it gets you to

896
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Speaker 1: question what you do. It gets you to answer those

897
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: when do I do this? Why do I do this?

898
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: How does this work? And you start to kind of

899
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Speaker 1: reverse engineer your own game and you get a deeper

900
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Speaker 1: understanding of what you're doing. And I think that helps

901
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: you tremendously as a fighter. So I think Raquel's coming

902
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Speaker 1: in here with a law of positives here against aman

903
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Speaker 1: in Nudas. Not to mention the fact that she has

904
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Speaker 1: no pressure going into this fight.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I think you set up the fight well.

906
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 6: The betting odds say minus six hundred for Noons plus

907
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Speaker 6: four hundred for Rakeel Pennington. Pennington has won her last four,

908
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Speaker 6: but the last fight was against Mesha Tate November twenty sixteen.

909
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Speaker 6: That was the first night the UFC was ever at

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Speaker 6: Madison Square Garden, so all the way back at UFC

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Speaker 6: two to oh five. I'll get into some of the

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Speaker 6: surgery she had after the Mesha Tate fight, the ATV accident,

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Speaker 6: Let's get to the main Event challenge.

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Speaker 3: It's the Main Event Challenge and.

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947
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Speaker 6: to the standing. So you went ahead to with our

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952
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Speaker 6: wins the week four to three for Team Annik, thereby

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Speaker 6: extending my squad's lead to forty eight thirty six heading

954
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Speaker 6: into UFC two twenty four And we feel pretty good

955
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Speaker 6: about patting the cushion today as well because joining us

956
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Speaker 6: from Vegas, the chief operating officer at CG Analytics, the

957
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Speaker 6: VP of business Development for CG Technology, Matthew Holt, is back.

958
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Speaker 5: My man, Matthew. It's good to see how you doing.

959
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 7: John Kenny.

960
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 8: How we doing today? And if I remember right, I

961
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Speaker 8: think I got Kenny last time when we did John.

962
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 7: Johonnes for me A two.

963
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 5: Wow, you're gonna go there?

964
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, you did get him at UFC two fourteen, Matthew.

965
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 6: Before we get into UFC two twenty four and your

966
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 6: main card selections, I just wanted to get your thoughts

967
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 6: on the Vegas Golden Nights because I lived in Vegas

968
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 6: for four years and I have a soft spot for

969
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 6: the city. I know you call Las Vegas home, and

970
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 6: what this hockey team has done in its expansion season

971
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 6: to get to the Western Conference finals, and they look

972
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Speaker 6: for my money destined to make it to the Cup final.

973
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 6: Is there any point of comparison for you in professional

974
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 6: sports history in terms of what this hockey team has

975
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 6: already accomplished this season.

976
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Speaker 8: No, It's hard for me to put into the words

977
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 8: or even kind of compare this to anything else I've

978
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 8: ever seen in sports. Look, I grew up in Boston

979
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 8: a diehard Red Sox fan. I used to stand on

980
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 8: Yacky Way outside and get a sausage before the games.

981
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 8: I've seen the Red Sox, I've seen those rabid Celtics

982
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 8: fans during the Larry Bird, Kevin McHale error. I have

983
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 8: never seen a community grasp onto a team like this

984
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Speaker 8: one has here, the Las Vegas commute community with the

985
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Speaker 8: Las Vegas Golden Knights. And I think a little bit

986
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 8: of it is. You know, it's a perfect timing here.

987
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 8: We had a terrible tragedy with the shooting here. The

988
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 8: very next week the Golden Knights played their first game,

989
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 8: the Vegas Strong logo came out, the community rallied around

990
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 8: this team, and suddenly there has been a deep connection

991
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 8: entrenched here with this community and this hockey team, and

992
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 8: what an amazing season for an expansion team. Wow, the

993
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 8: Golden Knights are on fire.

994
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 5: I'm telling you.

995
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 6: I mean maybe Tampa Bay, maybe it'll be the Pittsburgh

996
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 6: Washington winner. I think the Caps might get it done.

997
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 6: But right now I think the Vegas Golden Knights might

998
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 6: be hoisting Lord Stanley's Cup, which is absolutely insane. And

999
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 6: I'm glad you mentioned sort of this deep connection with

1000
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 6: fans because even a lot of our UFC staffers, you know,

1001
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 6: Michael LaPlante, a transplant from San Diego, and Zach Candido,

1002
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 6: our buddy who grew up in Boston taking his kids

1003
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 6: to Vegas Golden Knights gat. I mean, people really care

1004
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 6: in Vegas, and now that the Bruins are out, man,

1005
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 6: the Golden Knights have my heart as well. So let's

1006
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 6: see how far they can take this thing. But we

1007
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 6: got to talk about this main card here coming up.

1008
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 6: UFC two twenty four in Rio this weekend. Pretty strong.

1009
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 6: I think top to bottom litt starfellas with the main

1010
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 6: card opener. Kind of surprising. These two men haven't fought before.

1011
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 6: Forty eight UFC appearances combined between vtor Belfort and Lioto

1012
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 6: Machedah in this spot, Matthew Vitor the minus excuse me,

1013
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 6: the plus two hundred underdog, Leoto Macheeda the minus two

1014
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 6: to sixty favorite. Machedah won his last fight, it was

1015
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 6: a twenty five minute decision against Eric Anders. Vitor, of course,

1016
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 6: was to fight your Eyehul in January, but Hall was

1017
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 6: unable to go. So for Vtur, it's been an eleven

1018
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 6: month layoffs since he beat Nate marcord in Rio last

1019
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 6: June at UFC two twelve.

1020
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 5: Matthew belfourth the dog, Macheeda the favorite. Who do you like?

1021
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 8: I gotta go with Vtor here, but it's really interesting

1022
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 8: and I compare this fight very closely to Fador Vers

1023
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 8: Frank Mior, which happened last week, in the sense that

1024
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 8: you don't know what type of shape these two veterans

1025
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 8: are going to come in on, and we saw the

1026
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 8: way in with mir and fad Or Mir in maybe

1027
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 8: the best shape we've seen him in in years. I've

1028
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 8: been asking people in the in and around the UFC

1029
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 8: circles how v Tour has looked. A lot of people

1030
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 8: said they haven't seen him yet. So for me, this

1031
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 8: is a scary pick because I don't know anyone who

1032
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 8: has actually seen v Tour, you know, in the last

1033
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 8: week or so, to tell me how he looks coming

1034
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 8: into this fight. Regardless of that, I'm gonna have to

1035
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 8: take a chance that the v Tour is going to

1036
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 8: be in the top shape that he can be in.

1037
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 8: And that's too big of a price for me for

1038
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 8: a Lioto Macheda who's a little bit timid at times

1039
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 8: and can give away rounds, I'm gonna go ahead and

1040
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 8: take the big plus with Vitor Belford.

1041
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's good analysis there, And if memory serves, I

1042
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 6: think Machidah was an underdog his last time out against

1043
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 6: the younger fresher more prime. Eric anders ken full your

1044
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 6: thoughts on belfour could be the last time we see

1045
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 6: him inside the octagon as he takes on Machita this weekend.

1046
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: Right, big question mark here, you know, for Vitro Belford

1047
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: obviously fighting in Rio, it possibly being his last fight

1048
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: of his life, you have to imagine he's going to

1049
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: be very motivated to try to go out with a

1050
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: win against another legend, Liota Macheda. However, I think for

1051
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: Leoda Lioto, I saw a lot of good signs in

1052
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: his last fight, he was fighting a lot smarter.

1053
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 6: Alr Lioto Machida the chalk pick there for Ken Flow.

1054
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 6: That brings us to what is a big fight at Banhamway.

1055
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Speaker 6: John Lineker Brian Kellerher. We mentioned keller her earlier Kenny

1056
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 6: and just his willingness to step up. This is going

1057
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 6: to be the fifth UFC appearance for Keller her all

1058
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 6: inside eleven months. That said, he's the dog here plus

1059
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 6: one eighty five. John Lineker, Matthew the Modust two thirty

1060
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 6: five favorite, trying to make it eight wins in his

1061
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 6: last nine.

1062
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 5: Who do you like? John Lineker, Brian kellerher here Saturday Night.

1063
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 8: I really don't like laying big minuses too much in

1064
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 8: MMA because with four rounds gloves, anything could happen. But

1065
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 8: I'm heavy on John Lineker here. I am not a

1066
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 8: big Brian keller Her fan is, especially in terms of

1067
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 8: this matchup. I know we got the guillotine chokes a

1068
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 8: mission over ur Uriel Katara in his UFC debut, but

1069
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 8: that was a fight where Yuri actually knocked him down

1070
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 8: multiple times in the first round and was chasing him

1071
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 8: to the ground after one of those knockdowns and got

1072
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 8: caught in that guillotine. I thought it was a little

1073
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 8: bit quick, a little bit of a quick tap too

1074
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 8: there as well. I thought Marlon Vera looked much the better,

1075
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 8: although that fight didn't last long, less than half a

1076
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 8: round before Vera submitted him. Granted, he had an impressive

1077
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 8: win off Hennon Brow, but I'm not sure what wins

1078
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 8: against Henn and Brow at this point really mean. John

1079
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 8: Linneker is just you know, look at his resume, look

1080
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 8: at the guys that he's in there with, and who

1081
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 8: he beats. You know, beat Marlon Vera, beat John Dodson,

1082
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 8: I'll be at a very competitive fight. Knocked out Michael McDonald,

1083
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 8: beat a really strong Rob font. I think John Litteker

1084
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 8: is a beast. I think this is a mismatch really.

1085
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 8: I think Kellerhur is tough and he'll probably hang in there,

1086
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 8: but it's really hard for me to envision Kellerher winning

1087
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 8: this fight. I'm gonna go ahead and lay the two

1088
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 8: thirty with John Lineker ken flow.

1089
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 6: I think Matthew and I are on the same when

1090
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 6: it comes to John Lineker's body of work. Every time

1091
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 6: you break it down, it's like, man, he fought that

1092
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 6: big name and beat that guy. Still has a lot

1093
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 6: of momentum, still a guy who hasn't realized that elusive

1094
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 6: first UFC title shot. If it is gonna materialize, this

1095
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 6: is one he has to have on Saturday Night.

1096
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: Which way you go in Lineker v. Kellerer, Yeah, that's right,

1097
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: you know. For this is a tough one again, you know.

1098
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: For Kellerher, I think he's very tough. I think he's

1099
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: another guy who can put you away with a combination

1100
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: after combination. The problem for Keller is is his style,

1101
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: and it's what makes him such an exciting fighter, but

1102
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: also is what makes him extremely vulnerable against a hard

1103
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: hitting guy like a John Lineker. Keller hits hard, he

1104
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: doesn't hit as hard as Lineker. In my opinion, I

1105
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: think Lineker is one of those guys, one of the

1106
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: few guys at one hundred and thirty five pounds that

1107
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: if he lands that one shot, he's going to knock

1108
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: you out. Keller Her not necessarily known for his elusiveness

1109
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: or for his footwork. Those the kind of guys that

1110
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: are give linar or trouble, guys like John Dotson who're

1111
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: gonna move around a lot, not gonna engage in a

1112
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: lot of flurries Keller, who will and I don't think

1113
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: that will favor him well here against a guy like Leoneker,

1114
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: I gotta go with John Lineker.

1115
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 6: Wow, both picks on John Lineker there and both with conviction.

1116
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 6: Let's move on now to Mackenzie Dern for the first

1117
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 6: time in her pro MMA career, her famed father Wellington

1118
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 6: megatone Dias will be in the building. So during the

1119
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 6: minus two to forty favorite here Matthew the comeback on

1120
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 6: a man A Cooper plus one ninety. Ultimately, how competitive

1121
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 6: a fighter are you expecting here and which side do

1122
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 6: you fall?

1123
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 8: So I'm actually gonna go on a different angle in

1124
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 8: this fight and take the under two and a half rounds.

1125
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 8: Like I think Mackenzie Dern had a really tough struggle

1126
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 8: in her in her debut, and you know, she had

1127
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 8: to get her feet under her, and like you know,

1128
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 8: like we saw with Dylan Danis and a lot of

1129
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 8: these jiu jitsu specialists, Mackenzie Dern probably has a long

1130
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 8: way to go in terms of her footwork, in terms

1131
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 8: of striking, her defensive striking, but I think she's gonna

1132
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 8: get there because she's such an uber talent here. I

1133
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 8: think the UFC did a good job of matchmaking here

1134
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 8: in terms of helping Dern look really successful on a

1135
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 8: main card, because while Amanda Bobby Cooper's tough, she punches hard.

1136
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 8: All three of her losses come by submission, playing right

1137
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 8: into the game of Mackenzie Dern. Not only do I

1138
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 8: like Dern, but I don't really want to lay the

1139
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 8: two forty. Instead, I'm going to go under two and

1140
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 8: a half rounds at even money. That Mackenzie Dern gets

1141
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 8: that submission win in the first or second round.

1142
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 6: Certainly a lot more value on that side of things, Kenny.

1143
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 6: As far as this fight is concerned, I feel like

1144
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 6: durn is more the wild card here. Not that Cooper

1145
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 6: can't continue to evolve and get better. We've seen her

1146
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 6: five or six times in the UFC, at least four

1147
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 6: at this point in time. But for Dern, training camp

1148
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 6: moving from Arizona to California, so much talent and so

1149
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 6: much ability that if she feels like internally Kenny, I

1150
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 6: feel like, if she can get past the weight cut,

1151
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 6: there are a few women in this division that can

1152
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 6: beat her. I feel like when her MMA work ethic

1153
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 6: catches up with that ability, she could the best in

1154
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 6: the world, but at least right now, I think there

1155
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 6: are a lot of variables when it comes to Mackenzie Durn,

1156
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 6: the quick turnaround, the change of training camp, your thoughts

1157
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 6: on what's in front of Mackenzie during this.

1158
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the work ethic, And again, while I

1159
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: don't know exactly you know much about Mackenzie Durn's training

1160
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: habits for mixed martial arts, we do know that she

1161
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: was asked to leave the MMA lab in Arizona. They

1162
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: weren't so happy with her work output. So interesting story there,

1163
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: kind of forcing her to do most of her training

1164
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: in southern California. Now, Yeah, and I think you know

1165
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: she is still young, and as she gets older, she'll

1166
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: understand Listen, this is an important game, and this is

1167
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: a dangerous game. I better know how to strike. I

1168
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: better know how to wrestle out there, because my life

1169
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: is on the line out there, really at the end

1170
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: of the day. And while I think Amana Cooper is

1171
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: a superior striker to Mackenzie Dern, she's a good striker,

1172
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: She's pretty solid all the way around. She's okay on

1173
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: the ground. I think Mackenzie's gonna find a way to

1174
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: get this fight to the matt and get a submission.

1175
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: You know, I think Mackenzie was a little bit frustrated

1176
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: in her first fight. I think she learned a lot, though,

1177
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: to go in there and get fifteen minutes in against

1178
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: a tough fighter in her last one against Ashley Yoder,

1179
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: and to learn from that and still come away with

1180
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: a win, I think is going.

1181
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 5: To bully her.

1182
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: I think Mackenzie gets the win by sub Yeah, probably

1183
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: around one to round two.

1184
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 6: Great point two on the Ashley Yoder fight and the

1185
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 6: value of those fifteen minutes. Of course, Mackenzie Dern narrowly

1186
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 6: escaping that night with a win by split decision. And

1187
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 6: Mackenzie Dern has said this week that Ashley Yoder is

1188
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 6: a much tougher fight for her than Amanda Cooper.

1189
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 5: So we'll see if that dovetails with the.

1190
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 6: Action we see on Saturday night. All Right, Cole main event,

1191
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 6: I mean, can I fucking stand up yet? Middleweight title

1192
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 6: eliminator Shaka Dae So's a Kelvin gastolm So's a minus

1193
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 6: one fifty Gastolum plus one twenty Matthew. I think Shaka

1194
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 6: Day proved a lot to himself with that knockout of

1195
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 6: Derek Brunson back in January. He had with a lot

1196
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 6: of injuries, hadn't been all that active over the previous year,

1197
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 6: So I think he's going to be bullied by that

1198
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 6: result a lot. But he has taken on a young

1199
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 6: lion here in Kelvin Gasolom and a young prime fighter

1200
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 6: that I think a lot of betters might be enticed

1201
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 6: to play at plus money. He knocked out Michael Bisping

1202
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 6: and Shanghai back in November. Your thoughts on the co

1203
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 6: headliner this weekend that Jacques d Soza and Kelvin Galston.

1204
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 8: And you certainly put it right, John, in terms of

1205
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 8: betters are enticed to play Kelvin Gastulum here. We've seen

1206
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 8: a lot of sharp action on Gastulum here, but one

1207
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 8: of our sharpest MMA betters is on Jockaray Susa as

1208
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 8: well as.

1209
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 7: I am here.

1210
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 8: And when you go back and look at Kelvin Gastolm's resume,

1211
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 8: what stands out to me is what are his three

1212
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 8: toughest fights out of his last ten Chris Widman, Neil Magni,

1213
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 8: Tyron Woodley. He lost all three of those fights. I

1214
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 8: don't want to take anything away from him for the

1215
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 8: knockout over Michael Bisping, but that was a biss being

1216
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 8: on a really quick turnaround coming off that emotional GSP defeat.

1217
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 8: You know, he knocked out Vtor Belford at a time

1218
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 8: where v Tor is really struggling. You know, it kind

1219
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 8: of the post steroid error v tour there. You know,

1220
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 8: that Tim Kennedy knockout was nice, and he does carry

1221
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 8: a lot of power.

1222
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 7: Don't get me wrong.

1223
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 8: He hurt Chris Weidman in the first round of that fight,

1224
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 8: So I'm not taking anything away from the punching power

1225
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 8: of Kelvin Gastilom. But he's a smaller middleweight.

1226
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 7: People don't realize how small he is.

1227
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 8: At five foot nine fighting at one hundred and eighty

1228
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 8: five pounds, Kelvin Gastelum essentially gives up height, reach, and

1229
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 8: size advantages to every single one of his opponents at

1230
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 8: one eighty five and Jackaray SUSA might be one of

1231
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 8: the greatest jiu jitsu MMA practicer practitioners that we've ever

1232
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 8: seen in the middleweight division. His losses are really contentious.

1233
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 8: I mean, look, I thought he beat Eoel Romero in

1234
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 8: that controversial split decision loss. He got legitimately knocked out

1235
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 8: by Robert Whitaker, and that's fine. A lot of people

1236
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 8: do love the way he rebounded with the Derek Brunson win.

1237
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 8: That's a really impressive win. And look at some of

1238
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 8: his wins. Beat Gay Guard Musasi beat Derek Brunson. He

1239
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 8: also beat vto Or in the same kind of timeframe.

1240
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 8: I thought he'd beat Joel Romero. I thought this price

1241
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 8: should have been closer to Jock Array minus two hundred.

1242
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 8: Does it the minus one forty five range? I think

1243
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 8: there's a lot of value on Jock Array.

1244
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 5: Love it.

1245
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 6: See why I call on the big guns Matthew Hole

1246
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 6: for pay per view weeks man, I mean beautiful, just

1247
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 6: tremendous insight into how a betting public might look at

1248
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,479
Speaker 6: a number versus versus the sharps and the wise guys

1249
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 6: can flow. I love this fight. I don't know who's

1250
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 6: gonna win it. I do know that if Gasolin wins,

1251
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 6: it were about the same height. For that post fight interview,

1252
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 6: I mean Matthew's right on that he is not much

1253
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 6: more than five to nine. But a lot of people

1254
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 6: have sort of fancied gasolom a future champion for some time,

1255
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 6: great opportunity and a title eliminator to prove it here

1256
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 6: this weekend.

1257
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 5: What we do know is Matthew Hope did is damn homework.

1258
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 5: My goodness, Well listen.

1259
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: I think Kelvin is the kind of fighter that really

1260
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: shows up when the lights are brightest. I think that

1261
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 1: on a technical level. On the feet, I think he's

1262
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: a superior striker to Soza. But as matt said, I

1263
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 1: think he's right. The big challenge for Gastolum is the

1264
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: size and the power of Jockaray Soza. Getting on the

1265
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: inside is not going to be easy for the south

1266
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: paw Gastolum. He Gasolom throws a tremendous three to two

1267
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: combination or one two combination that jab cross or hook

1268
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: cross combination. He throws it very well. He knows how

1269
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: to fight like a south paw. But where he has

1270
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: challenges against guys who are very good with their takedowns

1271
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: and guys that are bigger than him. I think Kelvin

1272
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: can be a champion in the sport. I just think

1273
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: he's in the wrong weight class right now to do it.

1274
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't think he can do it in the middleweight division.

1275
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: I do think he can do it at Walter. Wait, however,

1276
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: he's going against like Matt said, but the top three

1277
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: Brazilian jujitsu practitioners that we have ever seen in the octagon,

1278
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: Jock Array. If he gets you on the ground, it's over.

1279
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: It's only a matter of time. We can go back

1280
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: to that Romero fight where it really could have gone

1281
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: either way. I thought Sosa was kind of cheated out

1282
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: of getting a point deduction from Romero. I thought he

1283
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: should have won that fight because of that. Also, in

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00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: that fight against Whitaker, we can't forget he was injured.

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00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: He had a torn peck or torn bicep in that fight,

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00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: so he was not at full strength at all. He

1287
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: competed anyway, still relatively competitive under the point where he

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00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: got caught, but you could see Jockaray was not the same.

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00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: Jockaray doesn't have the best footwork, but I think he

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: has the power to get him through this fight. I

1291
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: also think he has the takedowns to challenge Kelvin. I

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00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: think Jock Garray pulls off this win.

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Speaker 6: Jaqae So is a thirty eight years old, but as

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00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 6: we mentioned, not all that active over the last eighteen

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00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 6: to twenty four months. Sorry main event for the UFC

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Speaker 6: Women's Spandamweight Championship, Amanda Nounez without a loss in nearly

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Speaker 6: four years. She's twice defended this title, title defenses against

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Speaker 6: Ronda Rousey, then of course Valentina Chevchenko. Now those two

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00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 6: fights were close on paper, this one, at least according

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00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 6: to the odds makers, is not. Noon As minus six hundred,

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00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 6: Raquel Pennington the plus four hundred underdog in some part

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Speaker 6: because she has not fought in eighteen months. I'm quickly

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00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 6: just gonna set up the Pennington injuries and then Matthew,

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Speaker 6: the floor is yours and we will get your main event.

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Speaker 6: Prediction will need the round of the method of victory

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00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 6: as well. But so right after the Mesha Tate fight,

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00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 6: Rakel Pennington had three major surgeries. So she had her

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00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 6: right shoulder completely reworked, she had a wrist surgery, she

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00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 6: had a mouth surgery.

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Speaker 5: Then she had the.

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Speaker 6: ATV accident, which could have been a whole lot worse

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Speaker 6: than it was, but still resulted in another four month recovery.

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Speaker 6: So Raquel Pennington said, I believe on the MMA hour,

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Speaker 6: if you go back and watch the Misha Tate fight,

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00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 6: she was jabbing all night because she couldn't even throw

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Speaker 6: that right hand. So not only did Raquel Pennington beat

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Speaker 6: Mesha Tate in her last fight all banged up, but

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Speaker 6: now we haven't seen her in eighteen months, so she

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00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 6: is a massive wildcard. I do not know, Kenny. I

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Speaker 6: know you set up a lot of the good things

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Speaker 6: that Pennington does, her grimy nature, she's tough. I don't

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Speaker 6: know what type of Rakel Pennington fight we are going

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Speaker 6: to get this weekend. So with that whole backdrop, Matthew,

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Speaker 6: the floor is yours. Who do you like here in

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Speaker 6: the main event?

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Speaker 8: So here's the slight dilemma here. So obviously for this

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Speaker 8: show purposes, at the minus six hundred price, I think

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01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 8: you have to go with a Manda Nunias because there's

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Speaker 8: so much value. But let me give you the odds

1330
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 8: right now with the top five books in Las Vegas

1331
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 8: minus eleven hundred, minus thirteen hundred, minus one thousand, minus

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01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 8: nine hundred minus a thousand, So those minus six hundred

1333
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 8: a time so high. Now at this point where I

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01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 8: actually feel like maybe the value is with Rocky Pennington

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Speaker 8: at minus six hundred, I probably would have gone with

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Speaker 8: Nuniez at minus you know, at plus seven plus eight

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01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,959
Speaker 8: plus nine hundred, maybe the value starting to get there

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Speaker 8: with Rocky Pennington.

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Speaker 6: That's very interesting, right to think that Pennington is getting

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01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 6: into not like a Holly Holme ron a Rousey stratosphere, Kenny.

1341
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Speaker 6: But obviously you know parlay fodder, right, Not as though

1342
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Speaker 6: all of the betters on my level are betting Amanda

1343
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 6: Noons straight, but throwing her in with every every other

1344
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 6: straight wager they're placing for UFC two twenty four, those

1345
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 6: little bets can start to push the number. Ultimately, Kenny,

1346
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 6: I need to know who you think is gonna win

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01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 6: this fight and how they're gonna get it done.

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Speaker 5: Listen, at the end of the day, we've broken it down.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see an area of the mixed martial

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01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: arts game where Pennington can win this fight. I think

1351
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: Nonaz is going to be way too much. I see

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01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: her getting the stoppage in the.

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Speaker 6: Second round, all right, Amanda Nunez by stoppage in round two,

1354
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 6: KO or sub can flow for the rec ko okay,

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Speaker 6: and then quickly a couple quick picks on the way out.

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Speaker 6: If you guys have any feel either way, these are

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01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 6: prelims coming up this weekend at one hundred and eighty

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01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 6: five pounds Carl robertson minus one fifty five against the

1359
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 6: far more UFC tested ceser Mutanchi Fejeda, who is plus

1360
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Speaker 6: one twenty five. And then we have a matchup of

1361
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 6: two of the top fourteen heavyweights in the UFC Junior

1362
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 6: Albini off the loss to Andre Rolovski, He's the minus

1363
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 6: one forty favorite here. Alexi Olennik is at plus one ten.

1364
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Speaker 6: Matthew Any feel on either of those two fights and

1365
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 6: will certainly take a winner if you have one.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Mutante one of my favorite picks on this card

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01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 8: at a plus one forty Currently Kyl Roberson getting a

1368
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 8: lot of love and deservedly so. Undefeated, certainly probably has

1369
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 8: a bright future.

1370
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 5: Ahead of him.

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01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 8: But we have to remember here that Mutante is on

1372
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 8: as one four of his last five fights, with the

1373
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 8: only loss to Elias Theodora, who's really good. Owns a

1374
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 8: win over Jack Herbinson who's also fighting on this card,

1375
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 8: Anthony lyonheart Smith, he owns a win over him, coming

1376
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 8: off the win over Nate Marquart. This is a guy

1377
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 8: that's been in there. He's been in some tougher fights.

1378
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 8: He's a little bit battle tested. He certainly has had

1379
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 8: his own struggles in the UFC, especially as a favorite

1380
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 8: coming off The Tough Show, where he started to be

1381
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 8: a favorite for a while and was a favorite who

1382
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 8: wasn't getting the job done. But in the underdog role here,

1383
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of value in Mutante to

1384
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 8: get it done over the undefeated prospect.

1385
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 7: Carl Roberson.

1386
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw it that way, and again I write

1387
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 6: down what I think the odds are going to be

1388
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 6: before I look at Vegas as odds, and I thought

1389
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 6: Mutanci would be about a minus one forty favorite. So certainly,

1390
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 6: Carl Robertson, Kenny off of Dana Whits Twosday Contender series

1391
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 6: a lot of steam with the hardcore fans out there.

1392
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 6: He is an undefeated fighter, which I know is something

1393
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 6: that people pay attention to. Who do you like there,

1394
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 6: Robertson Mutanci. I just think he's the better striker as well.

1395
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 6: I think he's big for the way class Mutanci tends

1396
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 6: to take advantage of that.

1397
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with Robertson. I think he gets it

1398
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 5: done all right.

1399
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 6: Robertson for Kflow and then Kenny real quick, Junior Albini,

1400
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 6: Andre Arlovski, who do you like?

1401
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: Albini is facing our Lawski here, Albini, that was his

1402
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: last one. Yeah, so Albini, you know, I was really

1403
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: disappointed his last performance. But I think he gets back

1404
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: on track here against Olenic and gets the stoppage.

1405
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, Junior Albini back on track for the flow.

1406
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 5: All right.

1407
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 6: Matthew Holt CG Technology on Twitter. You can find him

1408
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 6: at Matthew Holt VP. Matthew, appreciate the time as always, man.

1409
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 6: Hopefully the Golden Knights keep it going and hopefully it's

1410
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 6: a big weekend at the window for a lot of

1411
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 6: betters here for two twenty four. Gracious of your time

1412
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 6: as always, man, Thank you.

1413
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 8: Thanks Kenny, Thanks John, best of luck this weekend.

1414
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 6: Thanks good for care r. Matthew Holt VP on Twitter.

1415
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 6: Matthew gracious to join us here today for the main

1416
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 6: event challenge. All right, before we go, I just want

1417
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 6: to shout out ray Borg and his family. As many

1418
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 6: of our listeners know, Rayborg's son has had to undergo

1419
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 6: multiple brain surgeries. At this point in time, Kenny a

1420
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 6: newborn baby, and I know this hits close to home.

1421
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 6: You have just you know, had a baby and welcome

1422
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,479
Speaker 6: to child into this world not all that long ago.

1423
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 6: And I know, you know, I've had a kid in

1424
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 6: the nick you I certainly didn't have a kid who

1425
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 6: underwent surgeries so shortly after coming into this world. But

1426
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 6: it's just not always two nights and then home for

1427
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 6: a lot of these parents. And I just want to

1428
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 6: shout out ray Borg. It looks like maybe they're starting

1429
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 6: to come out the other side, but I just wanted

1430
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 6: to shout out ray Borg here on the back end.

1431
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a story that really broke my heart.

1432
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: And again, you know, given what I've dealt with over

1433
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: the last few years, I did not take this for granted.

1434
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 5: But just.

1435
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: Having your wife give birth and make sure that she's

1436
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: healthy and the baby is a high undred percent healthy

1437
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: is truly a gift because you never know what could

1438
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: happen out there, and the fact that they have to

1439
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: go through this, and that the baby has to go

1440
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: through this this early is just it's devastating.

1441
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 5: Man, it must be tough.

1442
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: My heart goes out to those to that family, and

1443
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, I hope everything turns out okay.

1444
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 6: Amen to that looks like the Cazars have stopped, so

1445
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 6: that is definitely an encouraging sign for ray Borg and family.

1446
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 6: Of course, he's not going to fight Brandon Moreno. I

1447
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 6: think Ala Chandre Pantoja stepping up in Chile. But hopefully

1448
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 6: ray Borg gets back in due time. But right now,

1449
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 6: his focus, of course, is in the right place with

1450
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 6: his family.

1451
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 4: Ma.

1452
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,439
Speaker 6: We got to get out of here. Thanks to Matthew Hold,

1453
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 6: thank you to ray Longo. I am headed to Rio

1454
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 6: dejan Era for UFC two twenty four for Ken Flow.

1455
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 6: You got that desk hustle this this weekend. Kid got

1456
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 6: the desk hustle.

1457
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I got the desk hustle this weekend.

1458
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: I think I'm on the following weekend of the following fight.

1459
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: But I do have battle Bots on on Friday night

1460
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: if you guys want to check it out on Discovery Channel.

1461
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a fun season. That's gonna be the

1462
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 1: first episode. So uh, I appreciate that that plug. John,

1463
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: thank you all.

1464
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 6: Right, season three, even though I didn't do it for

1465
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 6: you off the top of the show, I apologize.

1466
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 5: Season three BattleBots Discovery Chack.

1467
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 6: You gotta let me know. I know, I know, dude,

1468
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 6: I will, I will fire it. I'll promote BattleBots better

1469
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 6: than Ray long ago. Every all right, so we are

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01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 6: back next Monday. So I am trying to get back

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Speaker 6: here in time to do the show next Monday. I'm

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01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 6: flying out a rio on Sunday, but we should be

1473
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 6: back with you Monday morning. We'll recap the pay per

1474
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 6: view and then look ahead to that new look UFC

1475
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 6: Fight night. Maya versus Ousman from Santiago, Chile. Also special

1476
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 6: thanks today to Fox Sports as John Hill and Jeff

1477
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 6: Williams stepping up in ben with sores absence. We appreciate

1478
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 6: you fellas as well. With that for Ken Ful, I'm

1479
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 6: John Anick. Appreciate everybody listening as usual. We'll talk to

1480
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Speaker 6: you again in a week. Until then, yo fucking later.

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Speaker 7: Hello.

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Speaker 9: I am doctor George Hessus Mesa, a clinical psychologist and

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Speaker 9: collector of Chicano Latinx art.

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Speaker 1: For generations, we have known of the healing powers of

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Speaker 1: art at an individual and community level.

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Speaker 8: Please join us as we interview prominent artists, collectors, curators,

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Speaker 8: and influencers in the world of Chico Latinx art.

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Speaker 2: We will explore historical, regional, and political influences that impact

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Speaker 2: Chicano Latinx art today.

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Speaker 5: Along with our partners at www.

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Speaker 2: Latino art dot com, we are preserving the colorful and

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Speaker 2: rich history of Chicano Latinx art for future generations, one

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Speaker 2: interview at a time.

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Speaker 1: Please join us at Heating with Doctor George the power

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Speaker 1: of Chicano Latinx Art wherever you listen to podcasts