WEBVTT - 89: Return To The Island Of Dr. Goldin 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:07.880 Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.760 one thirteen am in the Hall of Heads and you're 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:34.440 listening to night Call. Hello, and welcome to Nightcall, a 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.040 podcast for your strange days and nights. My name is 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.800 Emily Ashida. I am in Los Angeles, and here with 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:46.200 me as always are Test Lynch and Molly libert Um. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:50.519 We were just commiserating over some shared dental trauma. I 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.160 feel like this episode is going to be trauma rich. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.080 Just for like warning you ahead of time, I'll find 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.600 a bush. It is terror Fighting eighties puppet movies for 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:06.920 children December, but also dentist December. Um. I got a 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.600 filling for the first time. What made it scary was 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.399 that I thought I had done it before. Like I 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.080 said to my parents, I ever had a filling and 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:16.959 they were like, oh, yeah, you had a half filling, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.319 which is specific. So I was like, sure, I must 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.479 have and then I half filling it's not a real 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.600 thing because that didn't have be okay okay um. So 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.000 I went to the dentist. I found out I need 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.480 to feeling, went back to get the filling. They were 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.200 like I'd been My dad was like, oh yeah, but 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:33.959 they'll probably just give you like a shot, And I 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.640 was like, oh, okay, they give you a shot. I 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.680 thought they just kind of got in there. Um. So 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.679 the dentist was like, what made scary was the dentist said, 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.280 I'm going to put your teeth to sleep. Oh no, 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.280 and I don't like, um, what does that mean? He's like, well, 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:51.880 I'm just going to give you a shot of whatever 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.800 it is. It's not no opcating. It's like something like 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:58.920 that light. It came probably asked a lot of questions. 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.560 I thought I was prepared for this experience, but then 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.800 it's just like they put a syringe like in your 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:09.400 tooth gum area. It feels really weird. Um, it feels 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.080 like fine and then just sort of like sensitive and 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:16.480 tender like and anytime you get like a new thing perforated, 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:23.359 it's gonna gonna feel weird. Um. But it felt so 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.040 much weirder than I thought because I didn't really understand 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.840 what novocaine is or does. So that you your face 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:34.440 feels humongous. I could not feel my face. Uh, and 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.440 it just freaked me out so much that that was 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.560 like a thing you can do. I just kept thinking 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:43.640 about audition the whole time. Um more spoiler alert, somebody 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.720 gives somebody else a bunch of syringes of sort of 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.160 paralyzing you. It also made be like, how do people 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.559 get botox? Like this is so scary to like paralyzed 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.320 part of your face for like three hours. Well, there's 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.320 a difference I think of like something that's meant to 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.760 actually anesthetize you to like in preparation for something else 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.880 more painful, versus like a long term like muscle deadening, 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.520 which is like the whole thing just freaked me out 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:15.480 so much that I was like not prepared, maybe like 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.480 I'm going to brush my teeth. I hearing this so 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.960 much because last week we also our guests the Least 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.679 Simonson mentioned that she had her first cavity ever. I 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.959 have my first cavity, but it won't be my first 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.520 filling because I had two pre cavities when I was 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.880 a kid, and I got novocaine for one and then 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.080 was and the other one was on the other side 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.480 of my mouth, and I I declined the novocaine and 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.840 said like, I don't want a shot, and they were like, 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.560 this is going to be tremendously painful and uncomfortable for you, 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.839 and I said, go go ahead, try me and it 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:57.080 was horrible. But I'm so afraid to get I have 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:58.680 to have a feeling a Tuesday, and I'm so afraid 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.080 to get it done. But I've also had two epidurals, 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.400 so it's like your spine. You think I wouldn't care, 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.400 but I do care. Well. I was thinking, if we 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.560 can't find the Ewok Adventures for next the next episode, 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.560 maybe we can do Little Shop of Horrors, which I 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.680 think falls under eighties puppet movies. I've never seen it. 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.360 You've never seen it? No? Why not? What? I don't know? 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.359 I missed a lot of the eighties. I feel like 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.919 you were such a mark for a Little Shop of Horror. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.040 It feels like such a Molly movie. I've seen the original, 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:33.640 the Roger Corman serious horror movie one with but I 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.680 would see that, not the music. Oh it's good. I 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.240 want to see it. I mean, I wonder if it's 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.800 good as an adult and your rotation dental horror of 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.200 dr One of my like continue like my favorite things 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.800 to think about is just the statistic that you know 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.720 and I don't even know if it's true anymore, that 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.840 like dentists have the highest rate of suicide because there's 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.599 something both about the mouth, Like obviously people a lot 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.200 of people have like a lot of sensitivity about getting 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.080 donal work done. It's like a very like anxiety and 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.760 do sing thing. But then also the act of like 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.000 looking inside people's mouths all day. Something about that like 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.479 like leads to despair or something you're looking into like 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.240 a gaping hole. Yeah, I'm just like, what is it 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.560 about the mouth? Like it was like the tedium of 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.400 doing that over and over again. Maybe I don't know, 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.000 but like doctors get to mix it up. But like 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.799 every dentist I've ever had always seems like it always 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.760 seems like a really fun job. Like I wanted to 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:28.000 be a dentist when I was a kid because I 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.560 actually loved going to the dentist for some freakish reason, 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.320 and it was like my dream. I guess there's so 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.679 many toys. There's so Yeah, the idea of the water 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:41.159 pick is really like I took toys out of the 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:45.040 toy chest on my way out this time. He deserved it. 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:50.680 Deserved it, like dice eracer, so the toy chest that 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.680 they give away toys. Yeah, okay, I I thought you 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:58.200 were just admitting to stealing from hundreds of dollars worth 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.680 of dental equipment. I want to give myself more off brandental. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:09.480 Why not? So we were talking about today's the Friday. Also, 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.599 yesterday was a full moon. It was a notable full 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.520 mayor are some really intense vibes happening? Did you? Did 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:18.440 any of you see? I think it was Alex Miles. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:24.320 There was an astrologist who an astrologer who posted something 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.719 on Instagram that was widely shared, and it was about 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.640 the energy portal that's going on from the twelfth to 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:35.840 thee It was a very intense I'll find a link 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.440 to UH to put in our show notes, but it 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.640 was about how this is a time when we're going 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:46.839 to be feeling like we have to revolutionize our lifestyles 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.200 and get rid of toxic things, and we're going to 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.919 be feeling all of this crazy energy around us and 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.080 we're going to have to try and wrangle with it. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.520 Isn't that just the holidays? Yes, but it's also full 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.200 moon energy. I think like the Pluto and Capricorn thing 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.400 or something. I think this was specific to the full moon. 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.920 And then there was also the retrograde that happened recently 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.760 was very powerful, very powerful. That was a couple of 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.240 months ago. But yeah, it made me think that the 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.240 kind of swirling vibes in my brain were real. Yeah. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.160 I rarely ever feel like like a palpable sense of 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.960 anxiety or unease. It's like this unexplained like I've just been. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.040 If you look at my Twitter, I'm clearly very stressed 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.920 out right now. And I'm just like I like and 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.720 and like doing dumb ship like getting into the wrong 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.120 car and stuff like that, and and I'm just like, 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.160 is it the moon? Is this the only thing that 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.360 I can I'm pin it too, is that I'm I'm 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.600 the moon is just so close that it's like zapping 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.800 my brain energy. I don't know. Family got in the 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.560 car and this is like the first thing we started 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.480 talking about. I was like, Oh, it's a hundred percent 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.080 the moon. I have been feeling so weird all weeks 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.960 and I feel felt so emotional. And then I was like, oh, 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:03.480 it's the moon. Obviously, it's clearly it has to be 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.600 the moon. Um. We I have a really weird experience 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.880 of watching So I'm watching the Sopranos, as you all know, 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.480 for the millionth time, and um, my husband and I 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.000 went out to Ramen and I was telling Molly, oh, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:18.760 like we had We went out to ram and it 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.280 was so fantastic. It was a beautiful, rainy day. We 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.240 like way too much food. And then later we get 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.040 home and we're watching the Sopranos Anything run season three 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.080 right now, And in the middle of the Sopranos, my 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.319 husband was like, I have food poisoning, and he ran 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.559 out of the room. And then the next minute Tony 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.800 got food poisoning, and I was like, something weird is 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:46.280 there's a lot of synchronicity going around. Muscle memory. Muscle memory. Um, 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.119 if you have any reports about your December full moon experience, 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.880 please please let us know. It was the cold moon. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.520 I had a tweet go super viral about the moon. 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:59.800 Uh so viral that it ruins your Twitter, but it's 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.480 it's awesome because I was about how it's you can't 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.479 take a picture of the moon on an iPhone. UM, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.240 about how I respect that you can't capture the moon 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:12.600 on an iPhone, um even though you try, and people 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.319 sent me a million great blurry moon pictures, which is 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.280 the best thing. Um. But also we learned why you 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.480 can't take a picture of the moon on an iPhone. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.800 It because the aperture is too wide. Emily explained it more, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.600 can you explain to me, I don't know. I mean 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:34.000 iPhones are made. iPhones are not professional cameras, despite what 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.000 many people try to do with them, and then they 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.120 get better and better, but like they're not. They're made 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.559 to be able to be used in low light without 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.240 a flash, because that like most of your life is 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.000 in little light without a flash, So they are made 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.920 to be able to take in light when there is 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.079 low light. But then it's like the contrast of the 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.920 moon against the night sky is just it's too like 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.520 there's not the breadth that the aperture cannot pick up 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.720 that those distinctions, and like if you have a film camera, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.240 if you have like a professional film camera, you can 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.640 obviously take a picture of moon all day and some 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:10.040 people all night. If you put your phone camera up 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.920 to a telescope, some people seem to get some more 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.520 decent pictures. Oh, I did that when at the Star 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.640 party that I went to. After we went to the 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.160 Star party, and it was great. You can take pictures 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.040 of what you see through this telescope and you get 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:23.920 the creators and everything, But when I was trying to 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.760 take pictures of the moon, which I did and then posted, 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:28.640 and was like, I don't like these pictures of the moon, 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.040 but I just like that there's something so beautiful you 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.600 can't capture. There are lots of things that are so 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:38.040 beautiful that cannot be caught on. That's what's so cool 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.200 to think about, especially one that's just like right there. Yeah, 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.480 everyone's trying to get a photo of it, and it's like, no, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.200 put your phone away. Just so, in talking about the moon, 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.040 we also talked about the moon illusion. Yeah, let's talk 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.160 about the moon illusion. The moon illusion, According to Wikipedia, 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.480 the moon illusion is an optical illusion which causes the 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.920 moon to appear larger near the horizon than it does 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.040 higher up in the sky. It has been known in 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.720 ancient times and recorded by various cultures. The explanation of 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:08.719 this illusion is still debated. It's not about like atmospheric 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:14.480 pressure or something like that. There are many different hypotheses 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.959 as to why people think. Some people ptolemmy thinks it's 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:28.599 about atmospheric refraction. Uh Cleodmodes described it both to refraction 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.640 and to changes in apparent distance. I had a weird 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.840 experience looking at the moon after eating a gummy where 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:38.880 I was looking at the moon and it looked as 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.880 though the moon was zooming very quickly across the sky, 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.320 and I tried to take a video of it, and 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:49.880 then notice that it was the clouds moving. But for 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:55.199 for a second there it really had me. Yeah, I 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.000 I have enough. Oh oh no, I was gonna say 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.960 just about the Well, there are times on the Moon 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.280 is closer to the Earth. Well, that's apparently. There's also 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:08.800 the apparent distance hypothesis, which cleomotes. And also Schopenhauer wrote 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:13.600 about a good diagram. It doesn't explain anything, but it's 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:18.280 like it looks like the cross section of an eye. Um. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:25.800 Speaking of ominous circles. Um. There was a story that 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:31.040 came out in in Vice recently about rings. Are they 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:37.679 just called rings? Ring? Ring cameras? Yeah, the doorbell camera 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:42.679 that has become pretty popular. It's a is it an 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:49.319 Amazon thing? Is it a Google thing? I believe it? Yeah? Amazon, Yeah, Amazon. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.800 They were staying on a good expos about it. On 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:56.720 the outline. They were like selling selling the in photocops. Yeah, um, yeah, 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.680 I mean this is this has been a known issue 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.480 with ring an now There's a new known issue with Ring, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.920 which is that there are groups that are dedicated to 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:10.720 hacking RING devices, and even a podcast called an Oldcast 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:16.920 where people basically prank Ring users live on the podcast. 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.880 It's like it's like a total it's not a dark 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:21.839 web thing, it's like a discord thing. I guess that's 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.320 all you need to know. Um, this is the world 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:28.920 we deserve, I guess. I remember when I saw Ring pitched. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.000 It was called something Else I think on the Shark Tank, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.439 and I was like, that's the dumbest thing, Like the 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.120 the idea that you could set up cameras, like you 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:38.920 just need so many and you're going to have the 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.480 whole perimeter. And it's like such a paranoid, horrible thing. 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:47.200 I know, I bother Ring. What do you? How do 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.559 you feel about that? Did this make you feel it? Twice? Well, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:54.280 it's not inside. So the two hacking things that were 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.880 kind of outlined in the Vice article, I think we're 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.240 indoor ring cameras and the doorbell. I hack baby cams. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.720 There have been known hackings of baby camps. I believe. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.760 I don't know why you would want a smart baby cam. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:08.920 Why can't you just use the ones that it's like 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.920 a closed circuit, Like it's unhackable. Can you hack just 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:16.080 like anyone's computer camera? Also like, well, that's why I 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.280 want people put That's how we all put stickers over it. 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.520 I don't put a sticker. I don't really why are 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:25.320 they going to see? Would they see when you're walking 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:32.920 around your house naked? I don't like them? Um, but yeah, 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.040 I mean I got the ring because I because there 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.560 were two burglaries on either side of my house that 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.680 I was sitting outside for coincidentally both of them. Then 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.840 I had like someone was ringing my doorbell a lot, 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.600 and then by the time I got there, they were gone, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.640 and I was like, I'm just I'm going to lose 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.080 my mind over this. So I got one, and now 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.800 I don't want someone to talk to me through it. 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.720 But I don't know. So one of the ways people 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.120 were hacking it or you know, doing these pranks to 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.400 use the speaker, I guess that's in the ring. What 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.360 is that used for? Uh? Normally the idea is that 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.400 if someone rings your doorbell, so there's a camera and 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.240 a microphone, so someone's like your intercom. Yeah, it's like 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.600 an intercom that you can use from anywhere. So it's 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:16.520 really for if you're out of town or you're at 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.120 work and then someone rings your doorbell, you get a 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.000 notification on your phone where you can say hello, go away. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.040 It's so scary because also like if somebody, oh, if 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.800 you're like in Florida on vacation and somebody who with 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.760 ill intent comes to your door and you pick up 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.680 the phone and you just like watch helplessly, right they 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.040 like burgle your hat. It's a horror movie. It's a 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.840 horror movie. It's like sometimes like I feel like the 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.440 much less stressful version is to just come back from 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.040 vacation be like, oh, bombash, it's gone. Like watching I mean, 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.480 it's kind of the more you know, the worst it is. 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.240 But at the same time, I mean there's so there's 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.080 an alarm feature, I think as well, So if there's 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.240 someone who you don't want to be there and you're 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.240 freaking out, you can push the alarm ideally like neighbors here, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.520 or you can just call the police and then then 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.000 you don't come. But yeah, I mean it's it's a 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:09.200 conundrum obviously, And since it's since I bought the ring, 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:13.800 all of this has come out so it's probably my fault. Sorry, 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.720 we're just putting like a mirror on your door. What 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:22.240 would that achieve? You're just like take a look. I'm 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:26.560 feeling you see that it's a monitor and no shame 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.240 that works always. I'm kind of into phone freaking coming back. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.000 Phone freaking, yeah, well like hacking, like old school phone 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.200 freaking was like people would like hack people's phone coming back, 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.240 because that's so this seems like a new version of Yeah, 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.600 phone freaking is so quaint. It's like it's quaint. This 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.840 The really messed up thing about this was that people 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.360 were speaking into the One of the cases highlighted in 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.680 this article where people speaking through the camera to children, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.960 it was in children children's room and like saying like 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:01.000 racial things and like just threatening people. It's so icky. 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.840 It's so bad. It's not definitely make you think twice 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.320 about having it. Yes, well I don't have any whatever. 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.639 We've talked about this before we come on. Let's take 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:25.199 a quick break. We'll be back. We are back. Molly 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:29.560 and I took the plunge this past week and immersed 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:35.639 ourselves in the far off kingdom of Noah Vomback's marriage story. 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.000 Don't worry We're going to talk about return Us soon, 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.439 but we had to get to another horrifying movie. I 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:45.000 did them back to back, um order. I did Return 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.199 to Oz first and then Marriage Story, which was the 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.280 wrong order. Yeah, I did it while I cleaned the house. 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.240 Um Marriage Story. I wish I had been watching the 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.080 whole time I was cleaning my bathroom, because that felt 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.119 like what it was the perfect movie for. How do 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.399 you watch a movie while you clean your bathroom? You 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.000 put it on your computer, and you put your computer 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.119 on the toilet and clean your bathrooms. You're not really 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.160 watching them? Yeah you're not. I don't know if you're 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:12.120 doing a lot of attention. I was paying attention. I've 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.840 seen Return to Oz before. Um No Marriage Story. I 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:17.800 wish I had been doing more activity while I was 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:19.280 watching it, because I was like, oh, I wish I 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.719 had been a little distracted watching this movie instead of 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.080 just fully. It is one I will say, like right 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.280 now where I live, I can I can go to 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.560 the kitchen and still hear the movie, and like if 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.000 I look through I can like move two feet and 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.880 see the screen if I want to get a snack 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:35.760 or something. And this is one of those movies there 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.520 are some movies we have to pause even if you 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.359 have that to me. But this is like, it's totally fine. 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.080 This movie could be a podcast. It's it's not like 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.680 visually so sure, right, well, I mean it's very talkie. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.080 It's got a lot of monologue. My theory about no 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.399 Bombox movies okay, Emily, but I both have theories. My 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.800 theory is that they're like the vegan meet substitute replacement 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.640 for Woody Allen movies, which is good. It's a service. Yeah, 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.480 it is a service. And it's like we all kind 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.680 of like ship talk them, but we also watched them. 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.600 They're about like just rich white people in New York 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.880 in the media class having affairs and stuff. But they 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.680 don't make you feel like a terrible person for watching them, 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.520 like what Allen movies do. I'm not saying that that 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.880 needs to exist as a genre necessarily forever. I don't 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.359 think it needs to be like re upped again after this. 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.439 But for those of us who enjoy those kinds of 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:32.400 movies about over educated people having like dramatic fights, it's fun. 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.640 I think there's always going to be a space for them. 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.399 And it's like it's one of these things where it's like, Okay, 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.399 if that was all movies, if that was all prestige dramas, 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.520 that would be super boring. But I like it in 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:46.199 the Salad. It's like it's like I'm not I go 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.600 hot and cold on a bomb back movies. I really 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.640 like a few no a bomback movies, and I really 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:55.879 dislike other ones. Yeah, I love Greenberg. I love Greenberg tests. Yeah, 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.000 I think he's did. I like The Squid in the 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.080 Whale like men, I thought it was in black and white. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.400 I can't claim to be a fan. I just knew 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.120 I was going to watch this movie. Then I heard 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.639 what everyone had to say about the movie, and I 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.080 was like, there's no place like this movie. I don't 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:15.320 need it. I mean it's I find custody disputes really depressing. 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.840 And I got nervous because of my Blue Valentine Curse 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.600 theory that the curse was going to be cured. Not 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:23.879 that at all. I'm not going to roll the dice though, Molly, 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.080 it's not. It's not even a little cursed. How do 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.520 you know it takes it takes a year, it has 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.480 alan Alda. I've I've decided that it no longer takes 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.479 three months. It takes a year. So I'm just saying, like, 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.359 my thoughts are with you guys. Well, but also like 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:41.440 in the way that I'll know a bomba movies are related. 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.719 There's a part where like she's like, you're just like 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:45.200 your dad, and you're like, oh, we've all seen the 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:49.040 squid in the whale. You know what that means, Emily, 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:53.120 what's your big theory? Well, I mean that that I've 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.000 had to endure so much of this like Twitter discourse 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:57.840 around this movie, which is really funny. It's like not 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:00.560 even the first Noah Vomback movie to be on Netflix. 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:04.440 But I guess because of the biographical and and like 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.720 scare quotes around that nature of this movie and the story, 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.520 I guess people feel like there's much more of a 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.040 kind of lucky lu gossipy aspect to it. But I 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:14.919 just like, I don't know, I feel like that the 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:19.680 criticism has been so much around um like what he's 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:23.159 chosen to depict and in what way, And like I 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.320 saw somebody refer to his movies as like being bereft 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:30.680 of creativity, And while I understand that argument, I think 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:34.119 it really underestimates the act of actually sitting down and 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.920 writing something because you can experience something and just tell 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.320 your friends about something that bad that happened to you, 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.080 or like a bad breakup or something like that. But 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.720 I feel like there's a lot of there's There are 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.479 still decisions that are made, and thus it is not 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.040 the characters are not named Noah bomb Back and Jennifer Adjacently, 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.560 some of the decisions are so specifically about them that 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.240 you're like, why not lean more into it actually being 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.560 about them instead of pretending part where they're like the 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.320 Adam Driver character isn't from New York, but he moved 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.399 to New York and now he's the biggest New Yorker 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.680 of all, and it's like, we know, you're just from 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.040