1 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Afney, the program 2 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. I have a very 5 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: special treat in store for you for this full hour. 6 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm proud to say a friend of many years. Not 7 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: to be confused with an old friend. He's not that old, 8 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: but he is a man I've been proud to call 9 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: a friend for quite some time, and I have admired greatly, 10 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: have not interacted with as much as I would have 11 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: liked to, frankly, but haveired from Afar, especially for his 12 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: myriad projects, most of which display a degree of well 13 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: grasp of history of contemporary events, of politics, of the sciences, 14 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: the science fiction, and a whole host of artistic expressions 15 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: that are almost unimaginable to me, to be honest with you, 16 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: We're going to talk a little bit about some of 17 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: all of that and much more in the course of 18 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: this full hour with Bill Whittle. He as a fellow 19 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: that can be described I think as a filmmaker, as 20 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: an author, as an essayist, notably for The Daily Wire 21 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: along the trail. He has produced products for everything from 22 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: National Review Online to assorted multi media productions, and is 23 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: in short of polymath, I guess is the way I 24 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: would describe him, as well as a man of wonderful 25 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: humor and great clarity. And we're just going to have 26 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: a ball with Bill Whittle, and I'm so glad to 27 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: welcome me back. Bill. 28 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: Thanks you for joining us. 29 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: Sounds like a guy can't hold down to job. To me, well, 30 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: it could well be. 31 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, you've held a lot of jobs, 32 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: and you've done brilliantly, I. 33 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: Think all of them. 34 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: So Bill, tell us a little bit in your own words, 35 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: what you believe are your most important attributes talents, projects, products, 36 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: accomplishments and the like. 37 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: Well, I think, well, first of all, thank again for 38 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 3: the very kind introduction. I think that probably a couple 39 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: of things that make me relatively unique. One of them 40 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: is I'm just smart enough to understand some advanced concepts. 41 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: I don't operate on that level, but I'm smart enough 42 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: to see the shadows on the back of the cable. 43 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: And I've always been a pretty good storyteller. So I 44 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: would say probably if I had a unique skill, it 45 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: would be the ability to try and take complex ideas 46 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: and explain them in simple terms, using analogies and maybe 47 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: historical references, and just basic storytelling so that people can 48 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 3: get a grasp on things that are really quite complex. 49 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: And you know, Bill, if I could just interject there, 50 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: of course, the thing that I think is desperately needed, 51 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: particularly on the right, as I would describe you as being, yeah, 52 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: is we generally don't do very well at storytelling. 53 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: Now we're horrible. We're absolutely appalling about it. 54 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: Need and thank you for your part to. 55 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: Fill it well, thank you, And I want to come 56 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: back to that in just a second. And I think 57 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: probably the other thing that's maybe a little different about 58 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: me is, as you well know, the almost president of 59 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: the United States was just fascinated by ven diagrams and 60 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: and uh that yes, yes, yes, I forer not to 61 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: say her name. I think it gives her power in 62 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: some mystical sense. But I would say that one of 63 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: the things that's a little unique about me is I 64 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: was going to be a I saw the Thunderbirds when 65 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: I was five years old, and I was determined to 66 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: be a fighter pilot and an astronaut and and all 67 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: of those technical things and when I failed the vision 68 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: test for the Air Force Academy, I ended up starting 69 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: making movies. So I kind of live in this intersection 70 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 3: between that kind of gray, highly technical engineering world with 71 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: a lot of scientific details and rigor and intellectual rigor. 72 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 3: And then I've also got this theater kid kind of 73 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 3: you know, as a theater major at the university. A 74 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: guaranteed path to financial success, by the way, for all 75 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: of those of you out there, yeah, if you really 76 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: want a really solid tables, theater is the way to go. 77 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: But but I know I know a fair bit about 78 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: that stuff too, so that kind of puts me in 79 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: a unique situation where my friends in college, all my 80 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 3: science friends asked me to do their humanities homework for them, 81 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: and all my art friends wanted me to do, you know, 82 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: their their science homework for them. So that's kind of useful. 83 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: But I'd like to come back to the storytelling thing, 84 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: because we're so shockingly bad at it. Our friend even 85 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: say it said that the Left has a tremendous amount 86 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: of rhetorical intelligence. They're not doing so well on the 87 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: practical intelligence side, or logic or history or any of 88 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 3: that stuff. But they're tremendously skilled at wrapping things. And 89 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: we've got an incredible message that we just throw out 90 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: in a greasy Kentucky Fried chicken bag, and they've got 91 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: a horrible message that they put in a little cardia 92 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: box with you know, the little handles and the bows 93 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: and all the rest of it. And to be perfectly 94 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: honest with you, that is effective. The fact that it's 95 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: a more or less fifty to fifty country, given how 96 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: bad we are at selling our idea, I think ultimately 97 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: as a reflection of just how sound our message is. 98 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: And to the you know, sort of opposite pole, the 99 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: extent to which they are successful at selling really bad 100 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: ideas contributes of course to that fifty to fifty thing. 101 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: And Bill, if you were to sort of hone in 102 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: on an idea that you are particularly convinced is important 103 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: and needs to be persuasively packaged and presented to the 104 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: American people with whatever creative sort of angles you think 105 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: are relevant, what would that be. 106 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: I think that the most important thing that we need 107 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: to do is to identify and sell the positives we're 108 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: kind of known as the no people. You know, you 109 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 3: don't like free healthcare? This is the this is the 110 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: essence of it. Frank, if somebody said to me, if 111 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: I was doing a debate with a progressive and somebody said, 112 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 3: why are you opposed to free health care? My response 113 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 3: would be, I'm not opposed to free health care. I 114 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: am one hundred percent in favor of free health care. 115 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: What kind of a horrible monster would I be? No 116 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: free health care for you. I don't like the way 117 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: you look. Of course I'm in favor of free health care. 118 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: The problem is is that health care isn't free. As 119 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: a matter of fact, if you start thinking about somebody 120 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: having cardiac surgery, that's about one of the most expensive 121 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: things you can find on the planet. If health care 122 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: were free, of course I'd be in favor of free 123 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: health care. But it's not free. It's extremely expensive, and 124 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: so now we have to talk about how we're going 125 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: to pay for it. And now we are no longer 126 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: in the simplistic moral rhetorical world of the left. Now 127 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: we've taken the argument out of that by agreeing with them. 128 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: And I'll give you another one choice right, freedom of choice, 129 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: choice over your own body. So I suppose you're against 130 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: freedom of choice, and bodily you know we can get 131 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: this argument on the abortion side, it's all about choice. No, 132 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: of course, I believe you should have choice over your 133 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: own body one percent. That's why I'm opposed to mandated vaccines. 134 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: I am one hundred with you. I am as pro 135 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: choice as you can be. I think you should have 136 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: absolutely absolute control over your own body. The problem is 137 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: is that what you're talking about is not your own body. 138 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: You're talking about a genetically unique individual that's inside your body. 139 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: But it's not your DNA, it's oftentimes not even your 140 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 3: blood type. It is a separate, individual person. And that's 141 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: why it's not the same thing as clipping your nails 142 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: or anything else. It is not your body, and it 143 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: didn't get there on its own. It's not something that 144 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: you grew out of your own body. And so yes, 145 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 3: of course I've been favor of choice. I'm pro choice, 146 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: and I'm pro free healthcare. When healthcare is free, I'm 147 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: one hundred percent in favor of it. And when the 148 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: choice is limited to your own body, I'm one hundred 149 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: percent in favor of that too. But just by those little, 150 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: those two little concessions, what you've done is you have 151 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 3: rhetorically destroyed their position by granting them this sleight of 152 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 3: hand that they're trying to pull off by using terms 153 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: like that. 154 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: And in turn creating sort of the predicate for an 155 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: alternative narrative. They can be positive, positive in the sense 156 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: that you want the best healthcare we can afford, and 157 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: you want obviously human life to be protected. If it's 158 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: not your body in somebody else's, you want that life 159 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: to be protected. And again, Bill, we're going to move 160 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: into some of the policy spaces that we typically cover 161 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: in this program. I'm very interested in sort of your 162 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: narratives about as well, and we'll get into those and 163 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: much much more with one of the most fascinating men 164 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: I know, Bill Whittell, the star of stage and screen. 165 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: God bless you. 166 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 2: Right back at the stay tuned, we're. 167 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: Back, and let me just say we are spending this 168 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: hour with a great free range mind, a creator for 169 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: excellence as well as a serious thinker about some of 170 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: the most serious things we need to think about. We're 171 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: going to talk about some of them with Bill whittle 172 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: here in just a moment. He's the creator of after 173 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: Burner and Firewall. He has had a wonderful first run 174 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: with project he called Eject Eject eject it's a blog, 175 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: as I recall it was. He has been incredibly creative 176 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: in film and in various other arts, and we're privileged 177 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: to have him to talk with us a little bit about, 178 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: among other things, story telling and bill you have. You've 179 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: set this up nicely to pivot to, you know, helping 180 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: people think through problems that well, frankly, most of us 181 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: just as soon not think about it at all, and 182 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: that is that there are monsters in the world. They're 183 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: not you know, sci fi monsters, but they are human 184 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: beings that have taken on monstrous ideas and ideologies and practices, 185 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: and for some reason, all of them seem to think 186 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: that in order for them to pursue them, they have 187 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: to get. 188 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 2: Rid of us. 189 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: And talk a little bit about that sort of you know, 190 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: status that we enjoy that makes us hated by all 191 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: the right people, and then we'll get into some of 192 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: the you know, specific applications of that. 193 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: Well, when we look out into the world, we see 194 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: brutality and totalitarian regimes and and warlike aggression and all 195 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: the rest of it. From our perspective here in America, 196 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 3: because of the sacrifices of the of the men who 197 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: came before us. We look at this as aberrations, but 198 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 3: I think it's a much more illustrative way of think 199 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: about things to realize that we're the aberration. Uh. 200 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: Brutality, We always lose sight of it. 201 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely, brutality, conquest, disease. You know, peasants, you know, bowing 202 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: and scraping as they bring their scrawny potatoes to the 203 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 3: feet of the emperor, you know, who allows them to 204 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 3: farm his own land for another you know, generation of misery. Uh, 205 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 3: That's that's human history goes all the way back. I 206 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: believe the United States was created by God as a 207 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: place for individualism to to live on earth. It's never 208 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: been tried before. I've done four in depth historical series 209 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: for Daily Wire on the Space Race, one on the 210 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: Cold War, one on America's Forgotten Heroes, and the most 211 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: recent one on the Soviet terror state. And when I 212 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 3: look back through history, I find that all of these 213 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: labels that we use so many times have just been 214 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: continually morphing. Left and right. For example, didn't that you 215 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 3: would know better than me, Frank, Didn't that apply to 216 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 3: like the German and the Austrian parliament? And you know, okay, 217 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 3: so left and right. Conservative and liberal people ask me 218 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: why are you a conservatives, and I say, I'm trying 219 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: to conserve classical liberalism. You know, the idea of private 220 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: property and freedom of speech. Those are classical liberal terms. 221 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: The left is hijacked that word liberal. So all of 222 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: these terms morph. But the one term, the one divide 223 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: that I did find is consistent throughout history and works 224 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 3: really well, is individualist versus collectivists. That is is consistent 225 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: and solid throughout the whole debate. And so my job, 226 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 3: in your job, is to defend this idea of an 227 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: individualist society where individual rights are protected. They're not protected 228 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 3: by law because God gave us these individual rights. Many 229 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: people make, even many people on the right, say that 230 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: the First Amendment guarantees us freedom of speech. But that's 231 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 3: not really how it works. A freedom of speech is 232 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: inherent in all people at birth, and the First Amendment prohibits. Yes, 233 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 3: by God, it is a natural right, and the First 234 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: Amendment states that the government may not infringe upon that right. 235 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: The right of self defense is an inherent right, the 236 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: right to unreasonably avoid unreasonable searches, and so on. So 237 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: this is a grand experiment and the beautiful thing about 238 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: this experiment is there's not only some data on the table, 239 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: there's all the data on the table. Five percent of 240 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 3: the world's population produces twenty five percent of its economic output. 241 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: Five percent of the world's population is who's probably eighty 242 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: or ninety percent of scientific technological innovations. Five percent of 243 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: the world's population has created the most dominant military in 244 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: the history of the world. And it goes on and on, 245 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 3: cultural domination, scientific domination, all of it economic, and so on. 246 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: And that has something to do with individual freedom and 247 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: the opportunity to pursue. 248 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: It has everything that God has given you the talent 249 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: to do. 250 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 3: Exactly. It has everything to do with that. I saw 251 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 3: a study recently. Actually, my friend Scott out brought it 252 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: to me and he said that when this was done 253 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 3: just a couple of weeks ago, if you ask gen 254 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: Z whether they like communism, I'm sorry, socialism versus capitalism, 255 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: the numbers are really almost even, which is alarming. But 256 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 3: if you phrase a question for socialism or free market, 257 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: then it goes heavily in favor of free market. And 258 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: so one of the problems we face is that this 259 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: nation has been de educated. These are not on a 260 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: heated people. They're de educated people. They have been they 261 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 3: have been stripped. Not only did they get additional information, 262 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: but the reliable information that she started with has been 263 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: removed from them and replaced with this manufactured ideology that 264 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: is dependent on them being illiterate about numbers, illiterate about history, 265 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: illiterate about human nature, illiterate about all of these things. 266 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: And can I just ask you one question on this point, 267 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: because it seems to me that it's not only a 268 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: prime example of what we've done to them, were allowed 269 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: to be done to them, but it's also you know, 270 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: a metaphor for the larger, you know, sort of fault 271 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: line that you're describing, Bill, and that is TikTok. TikTok 272 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: as a news source, for heaven's sakes, a communist Chinese 273 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: propaganda machine that is manipulative at its core and brainwashing 274 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: and weaponized against us, would seem to me to be 275 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: pretty much the antithesis of what we are about as 276 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: a result of the great gift from God that this 277 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: country is. And yet it's now you know, apparently infected 278 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: half the population of this country. 279 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, TikTok is an interesting example as a conservative who 280 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 3: believes in individual freedom and individual responsibility. I am genetically 281 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 3: wired against censor censorship. However, TikTok many people don't know this. 282 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: TikTok in China, the algorithm in China directs people to 283 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: mathematical shorts that directs them towards, you know, science shorts. 284 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: Here in America, it directs them towards the most divisive, 285 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 3: hate inducing dumbing down. And that is telling me that 286 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: what you and I both already know this is a 287 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: massive psyops campaign by the Communist Party of China, and 288 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: it needs to be banned. And I say it needs 289 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 3: to be banned in the same way that fentanyl needs 290 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: to be banned because it is destroying this country. And 291 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: I have no problem with censoring a weapon that is 292 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 3: designed to turn Americans against their own belief system. None. 293 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: And I think President Trump should have banned it. He 294 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: nearly did. And I think TikTok is about the only 295 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: one that's in that category. Everything media leans to the left, 296 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 3: but TikTok is in fact a weapon that's been. 297 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: And Bill, I want to talk with you about the 298 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: Cold War, in which, as you know, happened to spend 299 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: par amount of my life, and and how the lessons 300 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: of it, which I think you were very much focused 301 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: on in your programming on it, have been consigned to 302 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: the dustbend of history. It wasn't just the Soviet Union 303 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: on the ash sheep there, it was lessons that we 304 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: had to learn and seemingly have forgotten almost entirely, or 305 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: been dissuaded from having in our minds at least. And 306 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, particularly Bill, of something I said at the 307 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: opening of my show, as I do every day, we're 308 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: here for the purpose of trying to help defend the 309 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: country we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, and 310 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: the prospect I mean, I'm just seized with this concern 311 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: that we don't understand that enemies domestic is a real thing. 312 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that with Bill whittle on the 313 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: other side of this break. 314 00:19:53,960 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: Stay tuned, Welcome back. 315 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: We are speaking with Bill Whittell for this entire hour, 316 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm very pleased to say, and among other things, we're 317 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: going to be talking a little bit about insights he 318 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: has gleaned from his study of history and his hard work, 319 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: much of it with The Daily Wire in including four 320 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: different specials that he produced that are designed to help 321 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: the rest of us understand a little bit of our 322 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: history and what's at stake if we forget it. Bill, 323 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: I was asking just before the break about this insight 324 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: I've taken away from the Cold War, when we actually 325 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: did have to come to grips, albeit in fits and 326 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: starts and arguably not altogether successfully, with the fact that 327 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: we had enemies within this country. Some believe that's not 328 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: no longer the case, or possible even tell us from 329 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: your study of history how that works and whether in 330 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: our own time we are being well taken down among 331 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: those by enemies within well. 332 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: The enemies within the things is certainly an entire two 333 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 3: hour subject right there. But all of the initial accusations 334 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: that the left made against the Conservatives that the Rosenbergs 335 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 3: were innocent and hiss al all of these people that 336 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: were accused of being spies and left said no, there's 337 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 3: no Well it turns out they all were. But I 338 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: think the much larger issue about the Cold War lesson 339 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 3: that we can learn today is not only are their 340 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 3: enemies domestic who are much more dangerous because they're well camouflaged. 341 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 3: But the thing that I really shocked me really about 342 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,479 Speaker 3: the Cold War thirteen episodes on it that was eleven 343 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 3: presidents along that conflict, half a century conflict, and the 344 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: only two presidents that really understand the Cold War, really 345 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: really understood it, were the first and the last. And 346 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: when I say the last, it's technically not the last. 347 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: Technically the last president of the Cold War was George H. W. Bush, 348 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 3: But I'm referring to Ronald Reagan. Harry Truman and Ronald 349 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 3: Reagan were the only two presidents during the Cold War, 350 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 3: at the beginning in the end who genuinely understood the 351 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 3: fight that we were in, who genuinely understood that it 352 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 3: was a fight of fundamental fight between good and evil, 353 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 3: and that these two systems were not coke and pepsi. 354 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 3: They weren't two different formulas for the same thing. They 355 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: were radically opposed to each other. And in fact, the 356 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: Cold War is the perfect example of the war between 357 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 3: individualisms in the West and collectivism in the East. Ronald Reagan, 358 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 3: when asked what his plan for the Cold War, was 359 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 3: the first president during the entire war to say, Oh, 360 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 3: the plan is we win and they lose. We're not 361 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: going to continue. This is not about containment anymore. We've 362 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 3: had fifty years of containment and living under this mushroom shadow, 363 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: we're going to win this war. And the reason he 364 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 3: won the war was he took it from the military 365 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 3: plateau and moved it onto a moral plateau. Along with 366 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 3: Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul the Second, they made 367 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: it a moral war. And that's how we want it. 368 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: And what's so interesting to me today, Frank is is 369 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: that we have both looked at the last fifty years 370 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: of American history, not the Cold War years, now the 371 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 3: most recent fifty years struggle, struggle against Islam and so on. 372 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 3: And it's only now that we have a president who 373 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: again I think it was eleven eight or nine presidencies 374 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 3: where Donald Trump has simply said no, Donald Trump is 375 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 3: in my lifetime. Donald Trump is the first president in 376 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 3: my lifetime who has actually behaved as if he was 377 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: the most powerful man in the world. The title most 378 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 3: powerful man in the world has been applied to the 379 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 3: presidency since I've been a boy, and it's true, but 380 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is the first president who's actually been willing 381 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: to wield that power. And if you look at the 382 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: geo political situation, China gets got a lot of oil 383 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 3: from Venezuela, well, they don't anymore, and they got a 384 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 3: lot of oil from around ninety percent I think of 385 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 3: around's oil exports went to China. So if you want 386 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: to really isolate and reduce China's militarism without having to 387 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 3: fight China, then the way you do it is you 388 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: remove their power source. And Donald Trump has not only 389 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 3: done that. I would be in favor of that because 390 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 3: it would be in America's interests anyway, but I'm especially 391 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: in favor of it because as a very nice side 392 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 3: benefit and an indication that we are on the side 393 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 3: of the angels. The people who we liberated in Venezuela 394 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 3: are out in the streets waving American flags. The people 395 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 3: we're liberating in Iran are out in the streets waving 396 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: American flags. And that's telling me that, no matter what 397 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 3: the Left says, this is not only a strategic win, 398 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 3: it is a moral win. I don't think we are 399 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 3: obligated to free people around the world. I think we 400 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 3: learned some lessons about that. But I do think that 401 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: if we are going to act decisively against regimes and 402 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: literally kick their doors in, we had better be sure 403 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 3: that the regimes that we would be doing that to 404 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 3: are illegitimate regimes that murder their own people, that violate 405 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 3: all of the principles of not American civilization, the principles 406 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 3: that we talked about before, the natural laws given to 407 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: us by God. Murder is wrong, rape is wrong, suppression 408 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 3: is wrong. Killing your own people for demonstration is wrong. 409 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 3: And Donald Trumps has had the I was going to 410 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 3: say the wisdom, but I don't think it's a question 411 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: of wisdom. I think it's a question of will to 412 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 3: use the forces of good and actually accomplished change. And 413 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: you know so much more about the international situation than 414 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 3: I do. But he has simply reset the board. 415 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: And you know, Bill, I would add one other adjective 416 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: to this, maybe it's now now, And I guess. 417 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: Courage. Courage. 418 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: I think that this presidency has been put on the 419 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: line by Donald Trump out of an act of courageous 420 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: vision concerning the evil that previous presidents just didn't either 421 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: either ignored or simply facilitated in important ways. This is 422 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: something that I think we can hardly overstate the importance 423 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: of it. And I pray that, you know, staying the 424 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: course and finishing the job and all of that is going. 425 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: To be. 426 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: The trajectory he continues to pursue, what are the stakes 427 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: if we falter from that? 428 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: As you see? 429 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 3: Answer, Well, as you said, I'm glad you mentioned courage, 430 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 3: because courage is the primary virtue. Without courage, none of 431 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 3: the other virtues can ever be put into effect. If 432 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 3: the if the leader, if the next regime in Iran 433 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 3: is a is a religious regime, then we've lost. It's 434 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 3: just that simple. And Frank, I got to tell you, 435 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 3: I and this information is so shocking to me. I'm 436 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 3: not even sure it's right. But a couple of weeks 437 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 3: ago I had heard that the population of Iran, that 438 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: the percentage of Iranians that are Islamic was like thirty percent, 439 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 3: and you could have knocked me over with a feather. 440 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true, it's but it might be. 441 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: In that range. I think, okay, so, and an awful 442 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: lot of them have become Christians. 443 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 3: Right, and so my point here is is that this ancient, 444 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 3: very high level civilization called Persia was overrun, invaded, and 445 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: colonized by Arabs and Islam. It's not native to Iran. 446 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: It is a foreign presence. I suppose most people in 447 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 3: our speak Farsi, but it is an Arabic government, and 448 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: this this wedge that we don't recognize in the West. 449 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: We look at Iran as Iram is an Islamic republic. Well, 450 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 3: it's run by Islamisis, but it's not culturally Islamic, it's 451 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 3: not naturally Islamic. And that is an enormous difference in 452 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 3: terms of whether or not this can be pulled off 453 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 3: successfully in the real world. You're not just talking about 454 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 3: You're not asking these people to change their religion, change 455 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: their language, to change their culture. You're asking them to 456 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 3: overthrow this minority that has been sitting on them for 457 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of years now. 458 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: And for the past forty seven, brutalizing them horrifically. And oh, 459 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: by the way, lest we forget, threatening us of course 460 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: as well. Bill, So is your bottom line that the president, 461 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: you think, not only had the courage to get into this, 462 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: but has the well with uh to stay the course 463 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: and see this through to the point where those people, 464 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: those Persians particularly, but you know, people of other ethnicities 465 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: and you know regions and histories, will in the end 466 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: be able to restore the idea that this is a 467 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: civilized nation and wants to be and deserves to be 468 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: in the family of those. 469 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 3: Yes, the you know we were. We were in the 470 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 3: early two thousands. We were laboring, laboring under the Peal doctrine, 471 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 3: which is, if you break it, you buy it. I 472 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 3: don't buy that anymore, and I don't think it's necessary. 473 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 3: I don't believe that we should be putting American troops 474 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: in the streets of Tehran or anything like that. But yes, 475 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 3: this president is going to finish the job, and I 476 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: think he's going to finish the job because our military 477 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 3: has become so sophisticated. So far as we record this, 478 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: we have taken on a global scale campaign against an 479 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 3: extremely well armed military, and as we record this, the 480 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: total losses in this gigantic war have been six American 481 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 3: lives lost. Now, if you're the mothers or daughters or 482 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 3: fathers of those people lost, they might as well have 483 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 3: been killed in stalin Bred or the Salm or Verdonna 484 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: or Anga their battlefield. So I don't mean to minimize 485 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: their loss. But what Donald Trump has realized is the 486 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 3: power of the United States, and this goes back to 487 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 3: the individualism argument, is that we would always trade treasure 488 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 3: for lives. These weapons systems are fabulously expensive, but they're 489 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 3: not as expensive as the lives of the people that 490 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 3: we would put on the ground to affect these changes. 491 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: So yes, I think that we can finish this job, 492 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 3: and I think that we have to. And I think 493 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: we're seeing uprisings in Cuba. I've heard the term freedom fever. 494 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: I've seen Cuban demonstrators say, President Trump, don't wait another month. 495 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 3: Come come and lib reus from liberate us from our 496 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,239 Speaker 3: Communist masters. For us to be successful, Frank, I just 497 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: close this aspect of it with this, For America to 498 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 3: be successful in international relations and especially international military operations, 499 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 3: we have to be on the side of the angels. 500 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 3: If we're not on the side of the angels, then 501 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 3: we will fail due to our own internal contradictions. 502 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: But as on the side of the angels, I think 503 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: is another way of saying, you know, on the side 504 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: of good and sercise lord, and. 505 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 3: We are clearly in that situation with her. 506 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: Own I believe that's absolutely the case, Bill Wittles, our guests, 507 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: we're going to talk more about another of the horrible 508 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: nations out there, regimes, I should say, the Chinese Communist Party. 509 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: After this, welcome back, and once more. Welcome to Bill 510 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: Whittle a remarkable intellect as well as creative mind, and 511 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: we're going to talk in the moment about some of 512 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: the fruits of that creative mind. But I did want 513 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: to pick that intellect in that brain about one other 514 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: source of evil in the world. And I say this 515 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: fully cognizant that there will be people who say, well, 516 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: the United States isn't perfect. I stipulate that we're not perfect, 517 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: But are we good? And are we aspiring to be better, 518 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: not least more faithful to our creator? I think the 519 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: answer to that is yes, and thankfully we have the 520 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: opportunity to continue to pursue that despite efforts like those 521 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: of the Iranians. Yes, but also the Chinese Communist Party 522 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: to take us down. Bill, You've studied these guys closely 523 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: for a long time. 524 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: Where are we with China. 525 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: As you see it, especially in the context of this 526 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: war in which we're taking apart one of their most 527 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: important allies and surrogates. 528 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 3: I think that China is the first thing I think 529 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 3: if you're going to talk about China is to acknowledge 530 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 3: the strengths that China has. They are not infected by 531 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 3: this internal self hatred they're extremely patriotic, extremely nationalistic. Their 532 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 3: educational system is superb. I've heard that they graduate more 533 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 3: engineers than we graduate students of any kind, and our 534 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 3: education system is astonishingly damaged. But I also think it's 535 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 3: important to understand that it is the nature of Chinese culture. 536 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 3: It is the uniformity of culture in China that is 537 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: what the Chinese perceive to be their great strength, but 538 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 3: is in fact actually their great weakness. There's an expression 539 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 3: in many collective societies but applies to China as well, 540 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 3: that the nail that stands up is the one that 541 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 3: gets hammered down. And that works fine in an industrial 542 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: era where you're dealing with factory workers and so on. 543 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 3: But as we are solidly now almost exclusively out of 544 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 3: the industrial agent into the information age, that is not 545 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 3: a benefit. It doesn't matter if they graduate three hundred 546 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 3: and fifty million engineers if none of them are allowed 547 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 3: to bring these new ideas to fruition. If you look 548 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 3: at the United States system, which is our education system, 549 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 3: is really shockingly in poor shape. But in America you 550 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 3: can have companies like Anderill and these other startups where 551 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 3: a couple guys in a garage can say, we could 552 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 3: do this much more eas me, much more. It's inconceivable 553 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 3: that that would happen in China. Inconceivable that would have 554 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 3: to come through a design bureau, and then the upper 555 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 3: you know, the upper Communist party people would take it, 556 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 3: you know, the credit for it, and then then they 557 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 3: build something and they skip. You get the whole idea. 558 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 3: I'm not concerned about China as a military power because 559 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 3: having spent a day on an American destroyer, I've realized, 560 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 3: and especially looking at World War Two, that the the 561 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 3: most important thing is not the weapons system. It's the 562 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 3: it's the policy. It's the doctrine. For example, the Chinese, 563 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 3: not the people, it's the doctrine. How how are these 564 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 3: pieces interconnected. It seems like a trivial example, but it's 565 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 3: actually extremely important in my opinion. The Chinese navy official 566 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 3: name is the People's Liberation Army Navy. That's the official 567 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 3: navy title. The army in the navy don't talk to 568 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 3: each other. They hate each other. One of the reasons 569 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 3: that the War in the Pacific didn't go on for 570 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 3: another two years was because the Imperial Japanese Army and 571 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 3: the Imperial Japanese Navy hated each other more than they 572 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 3: hated the Americans. We had an enormous benefit that yes, enormous. 573 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 3: Here here in the United States, we see this going 574 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 3: on every day. A sergeant in the Army can put 575 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 3: a laser target designator that goes up to a satellite's 576 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 3: owned by the United States Air Force, which then wires 577 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 3: the information to a Navy destroyer and sends a Tomahawk missile, 578 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 3: you know, and it's completely integrated. I'm not worried about them. 579 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 3: What I militarily, what China has realized is clear to 580 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 3: me and be clear to you to prank, is that 581 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: they have one or two substandard aircraft carriers. We have 582 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 3: eleven nuclear powered carrier strike groups, and we know how 583 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 3: to use them. We've used them continuously since nineteen forty one, 584 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 3: and we know how those work. So what China has 585 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 3: realized is they will never have the economic means to 586 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 3: produce eleven carrier strikes and they will never have the 587 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 3: economic means to catch us in that. And so they 588 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 3: have come to the realization that eleven carrier strike groups 589 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 3: might as well be at the bottom of the ocean 590 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 3: if the people that control them are not willing to 591 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 3: use them and not able to use them. If they 592 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 3: can destroy the will to use the sword, if they 593 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 3: can destroy the ability to hold the sword, then the 594 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 3: sword is essentially useless. And so what they have done 595 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 3: is a long, long campaign to undermine Americans' faith in themselves, 596 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 3: and especially to undermine them their faith in themselves as 597 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 3: a moral people. So, just to go to one issue 598 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 3: that you mentioned at the beginning of the segment, is 599 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 3: America a good country? In China bad country? Well, everybody's 600 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 3: got their own opinions on this, but here's some data. 601 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 3: At the end of World War Two, the United States 602 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 3: produced had control and the ability to manufacture atomic bombs, 603 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 3: and we have the means to deliver them. With the 604 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 3: B twenty nine bomber. In nineteen forty five and nineteen 605 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 3: forty six, the United States of America could have planted 606 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 3: the US flag in every capital on the face of 607 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 3: the earth, and there's nobody could have done a single 608 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 3: thing about it. We could have absolutely run the board 609 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 3: and had an empire that spanned the world. The Soviets 610 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 3: didn't get a nuclear weapon for four more years, and 611 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 3: we would have just nuked the Soviets into oblivion. And 612 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 3: so we simply could have done what the Romans wanted 613 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 3: to do and the French wanted to do, and the British. 614 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 3: We could have done it. But what did we do 615 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 3: once we had the monopoly on the nuclear weapons? We 616 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 3: took the B twenty nine and cut them up into 617 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 3: razor blades. We took the most powerful navy the world 618 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,959 Speaker 3: has ever seen, six hundred and seven hundred ship navy, 619 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 3: much more than that actually, and took that steel and 620 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 3: turned them into automobiles. And we simply went home. And 621 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 3: for people who say, well that was a one off 622 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety one, everybody America's invaded this country for 623 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 3: oil in the Gulf War. When Iraq evacuated Kuwait, the 624 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 3: United States Army was sitting on the most valuable oil 625 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 3: reserves on the planet, and we had won them through conquest. 626 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 3: And did we stay there and pump that oil into 627 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 3: American tankers. No, we put out the fires and we 628 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 3: came home. And this is data. This isn't this isn't conjecture, 629 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 3: This is history, empire is this is really. 630 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: What again I appreciate so much about you, Bill, is 631 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 1: that you are bringing to these analyzes an actual command 632 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: of historical fact. And where people will impute to you, 633 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, a conservative or right wing attitude, it says 634 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: Dragnett used to say, just the facts, man, And that's 635 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: why we have to, I think, recognize the vital need 636 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 1: for the kind of well storytelling, yes, and creative output 637 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: that you bring to bear. And we're going to talk 638 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 1: more about it several of your current projects, as well 639 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: as perhaps reflecting on some of the glories of the 640 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: previous ones. Bill Woodle's in the house. We're gonna have 641 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: a fascinating final segment with him right after this. 642 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 2: Please stay tuned once again, welcome back. 643 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: We're finishing up this fascinating conversation with Bill Whittle. There's 644 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 1: so much more to address with him, and I invite 645 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: you to check out his various outlets. He'll mention them 646 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: to you again as we close. But this is a 647 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: man of considerable intellect, yes, and creativity, and I wanted 648 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: to Bill to give you a chance to talk a 649 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: little bit about one of the current projects. I just 650 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,919 Speaker 1: glimpsed it for the first time today, but I'd love 651 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: to have you tell us a little bit about the colony, 652 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: how that fits into your over as they call it. 653 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 3: I did an awful lot of public speaking during the 654 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 3: tea party days when that started. And one of the 655 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 3: questions that we got during those tea party meetings be 656 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, ten eleven somewhere around there. People 657 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 3: would say, why don't we see more young people here. 658 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 3: I got that question live and I had to deal 659 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 3: with it live, and I said, well, if you look around, 660 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 3: if you just walked into the room, what would you see. 661 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 3: You've got a guy here in a tri corner hat 662 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 3: with stockings, and he's holding a musket, and here's a 663 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 3: document written on animal skin with a feather quill, and 664 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,479 Speaker 3: all of this stuff is two hundred and fifty years old. 665 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 3: And if you just walked in the room and you 666 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 3: didn't have any knowledge of what the significance of those 667 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 3: things were, all of our iconography and all of our 668 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 3: imagery and all of our discussions are talking about things 669 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 3: that happened two hundred and fifty years ago, and for 670 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 3: young people, that's simply anathema. And I decided the way 671 00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 3: to do this would be to tell the story of 672 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 3: the founding of the United States two hundred and fifty 673 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 3: years in the future. And so I'm developing a science 674 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 3: fiction franchise called The Colonies, and it deals with all 675 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 3: of the things that had to be dealt with two 676 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty years ago in the past. But we 677 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 3: got robots, and we got spaceships, and we got laser beams, 678 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 3: all of the stuff that's a visual eye candy that 679 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 3: makes something watchable for the people who need the message. 680 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 3: We don't need the message to go to people who 681 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 3: already believe it. We need people to understand it. And 682 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 3: that's where I started with it. But as time went on, 683 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 3: somewhere about seven months ago, this AI video technology reached 684 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 3: a point where it convinced me that I could do 685 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 3: video and make projects that were indistinguishable from live action. 686 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 3: There's a term out there called AI slop, which is 687 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 3: just very lazy AI filmmaking and so on. But if 688 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 3: you have the kind of background I do as a 689 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 3: writer and director, and you've got the discipline, you can 690 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 3: make images that are indistinguishable from real world images. And 691 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 3: so what happened was the ability to do something once 692 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,240 Speaker 3: it would have cost me two or three hundred million 693 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 3: dollars now can be done for two or three hundred 694 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 3: thousand dollars or maybe even twenty thirty thousand dollars. And 695 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 3: so this was very inviting. 696 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: This you're talking about video, yes, specifically exactly. 697 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,760 Speaker 3: So this is extremely liberating to me. And I realized 698 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 3: that not just the story of the founding of America, 699 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 3: but much more urgently gen Z specifically gen Z mails. 700 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 3: Between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four election, they moved 701 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 3: forty four points to the right. That's astonishing, that's just 702 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 3: as tectonic. They didn't do it because the Republicans gave 703 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 3: them something to come to, because we don't know how 704 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 3: to do that. But they'd certainly walked away from the left. 705 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 3: They walked away from the whole taxic masculinity, boss babe, 706 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 3: you know, you know that whole thing. They just they 707 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 3: just had an of it, exactly. And and they the 708 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 3: left is also destroyed, intentionally destroyed, not just stopped, but 709 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 3: destroyed undone the cultural touchstones of Star Trek and Star 710 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 3: Wars and several other things. They didn't just kill Luke Skywalker. 711 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 3: They unmanned him, and then they killed him and replaced 712 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 3: him with a woman who can do everything better. And 713 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 3: so the thing I realized most of all of Frank, 714 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 3: is that Americans need a picture of the future that 715 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 3: is optimistic, and in that future there has to be 716 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 3: strong father figures, strong family relationships that are cloaked in 717 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 3: science fiction. But it's not about the tech. It's about 718 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 3: the people. And so a lot of what I'm work 719 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 3: it's the faith. The faith you have to work in slowly, 720 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,800 Speaker 3: because if you lead with it, you will just people 721 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 3: will just bounce off of it. But what young men 722 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 3: need more than anything is an image of strong father figures. 723 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 3: What they look, they have no clue. And so if 724 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 3: you set life on the frontier, well yes, And when 725 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,919 Speaker 3: I excuse me, when I was doing some of these 726 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 3: tests for the colonists, I had what came out actually 727 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 3: surprised me. And I don't know how else describe, So 728 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 3: I just tell you. When I finally put this reel together, 729 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 3: I looked at it, I said, my god, that's unbelievably heterosexual. 730 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 3: You know, you got young men and young women talking 731 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 3: to each other. They got fathers and mothers with families 732 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 3: and children and all of this stuff. And the first 733 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 3: rule of screenwriting, first rule of storytelling, I should say, 734 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 3: is don't tell them, show them. And modern young American 735 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 3: men have nothing to reference in terms of what they 736 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 3: should be. They're wired to be heroes. They want to 737 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 3: be heroes. The women have become so promiscuous, so entitled, 738 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 3: so materialistic, that they've just given up and walked away, 739 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 3: and they've got nothing to show them what the natural 740 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,439 Speaker 3: relationship between men and women should be. And not only 741 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,439 Speaker 3: do I have an awful lot of fun historical things 742 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 3: that I can tell with this medium, the most important 743 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,839 Speaker 3: thing I can do is show them how fathers are 744 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 3: supposed to behave with their sons, how fathers protect their daughters. 745 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 3: What's the healthy relationship between a wife and a husband, 746 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 3: what's the difference between a woman who's capable and competent 747 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 3: versus somebody who is demeaning and entitled and emasculating, and 748 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,360 Speaker 3: all the rest. So I think this is going to 749 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 3: move into this cultural vacuum, and I think it's going 750 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 3: to own it. But the most important aspect of this 751 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 3: is is that you cannot expect people to behave virtuously 752 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 3: if they have no idea what virtuous behavior looks like. 753 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 3: And we have yes. So in this one demo I did. 754 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 3: I've got these very beautiful, beautiful, rich people in these 755 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 3: sky cities, and everybody's just gorgeous and everybody's smiling, but 756 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 3: nobody's happy. And it's contrasted with these columnists who have 757 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,359 Speaker 3: a very difficult life, but because their life is difficult, 758 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 3: the human connections between them are so real. And the 759 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 3: fundamental happiness of watching a father with his wife and 760 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 3: his kids is immediately obvious when you compare it to 761 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 3: a guy with a perfect jawline and perfect hair with 762 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 3: this perfect, perfectly, perfectly beautiful woman, and they might as 763 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 3: well be on different sides of the planet. There's no 764 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:42,839 Speaker 3: connection there. 765 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 2: Bill. 766 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,360 Speaker 1: This sounds fascinating, and I think this is going to 767 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: be a gap that definitely does need to be filled, 768 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: and we look forward to you doing so and sharing 769 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: in what you accomplish in this space. I hope you 770 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: come back with more of your insights about, you know, 771 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: the sorts of things that we preoccupy us on this program, 772 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: but also the storytelling that you're doing in the creative 773 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,080 Speaker 1: way in which you're conveying things that matter to all. 774 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 3: God, it's too long. It's good to see you again. 775 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,839 Speaker 1: We'll look forward to doing it again next time. Until then, 776 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,320 Speaker 1: I hope the rest of you who will join us next. 777 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 2: Time will go forth and multiply 778 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: M hm