WEBVTT - Why Did Non-White People Vote For Trump? 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:06.000 Media, what have y'all? 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:10.440 Welcome to It already happened here, because this was the 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:14.000 goal of this show, was to tell you that things 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.520 was probably going to happen here, and then it did. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.040 I am not one of the normal hosts, as you 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:20.560 can tell. 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:24.120 I am your your friendly cousin that shows up every 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.840 once in a while during the holidays. And if your 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.680 cousins are anything like my cousins, which means we're immediately 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.120 going to get in trouble because parents are gonna blame 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.000 you since I'm the cousin, because it's not my fault 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.760 because I'm the guest. Anyway, we want to talk about 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.760 some stuff that, like in some senses, is a bit 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.680 absurd to talk about, because like the American understanding of 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.400 pan ethnic terms and demographics are just. 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.760 Oh god, sir, yes, right, it just don't make sense. 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.760 Like nobody in the group identifies as what the group 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.640 is called, but that's still the group, right. I recommend 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.880 a book called white Fish Don't Exist. It's a great book. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:09.960 I'm here with the brilliant, brilliant meta wong. 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:13.959 What's up, miya, It's it's all happening, It's it's all 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.760 happening here. And it sucks, but at least I'm getting 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.680 great interests, best what I've ever gotten best best interest. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:23.080 That's what I come for, you know what I'm saying, 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:24.840 Like I come for us to be able to have 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.080 pancakes for breakfast, you know, because your cousin's here, you 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:29.440 know what I'm saying, So you get to have like 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.880 pancakes for breakfast and you know, stay in your pajamas longer, 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:34.319 Like it's great when your cousins are here. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:35.320 Yeah. 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:40.000 Yeah, anyway, so let's do this we want to talk about. Well, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.640 the thing is, like I don't know if y'all have 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:47.039 admitted I admitted this on our show that like we 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.320 kind of had to have all hands on deck discussion 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.760 here as to like, okay, let's get organized, like let's 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.440 figure out what we're gonna say as a network and 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.440 kind of brainstorm things talk about because I'm pretty sure 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.160 like a lot of us are still like wait, what 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:09.919 the fuck? I'm sorry what like, you know, and us 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:15.680 holding down the DEI section of cool zode we are 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.840 the diversity, equity and inclusion over here. Figured you know, 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.040 there were some things that were super shocking around some 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.440 of the data that was coming back from the exit 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.280 polls as we thought about like, okay, so who actually 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.639 voted for who and how much? And so we kind 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.240 of wanted to talk about the asient vote, right yep, 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.359 which is again from the intro it's an absurd category to. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:44.399 Say that, yeah, totally, Yeah. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.880 The Latino vote, which is also equally as absurd as 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:48.640 a category. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:50.200 And yeah, just. 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.320 Where some of the sort of marginalized groups, like some 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.040 of the numbers that were in some way shocking. I 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.960 will say, as far as holding down the black man, say, 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.959 I am very proud of us for eventually coming back home, 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:08.760 right and voting in the upper eighty percent for the 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.600 black woman, you know, which was encouraging. Now granted our 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:16.360 number of how many of us voted shrike. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.800 Immensely, you know. But either way, we just wanted to 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:22.600 talk about those things. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.520 And I think one caveat for me, I would say, 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:26.560 and then I'll turn it over. I think Mia, like, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.799 you know, you can take it on from there. Is 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.280 I am, in fact a black man, So I think 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.400 I can speak from a certain level of experience. Obviously 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.280 not the experience of every human, right, but I can 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.320 speak from a certain level of experience. Now, as we 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:44.000 talk about the Latino vote. I am, in fact, news flash, 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.640 not Latino. You know what I'm saying. My wife is 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.440 from East LA. But obviously proximity is not the same 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:55.920 as being a member of So keep that in mind 0:03:56.080 --> 0:04:00.760 as we discuss these things. So turn it over to 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:01.920 turn it over to me. 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.080 Yeah, and you know, this is one of these you're 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.320 talking a bit about the sort of category and coherence here, right, 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.800 And like one of the things about the way this 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:17.080 is aggregated is that so Asian Americans as a whole 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.200 went about five percent to the right in this election, 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.120 but that doesn't capture what was going on, because every 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.200 part of the demographics were just sort of flying in 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:31.200 every direction. Yeah, and unfortunately, most of the actual right 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.839 wing pull was very specifically from my people, which is 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.680 to say, Chinese Americans who went right in staggering numbers. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:39.720 Yeah. 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.479 I don't know, I'm not really surprised by because this 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.640 has just been the way that sort of specifically Chinese 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.279 American communities have been shifting for the past I mean 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:56.520 really like eight ten years, but particularly intensifying since twenty twenty. Yeah, 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.599 And so if you look at sort of where these 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.039 things happened, the biggest ones were New York and LA, 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.760 and you know, places like Seattle had some shifts, but 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.240 I think New York in particular, your can La in 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.320 particular are important for this because a huge part of 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.279 the reason that this happened was the sort of crime 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.839 panic stuff. Yeah, and the crime paddic didn't one hundred 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.200 percent start with Chinese Americans, but it's one of the 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.840 earliest sort of incubators of this entire thing. So the 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.800 sort of trajectory of this is that in twenty twenty, 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.640 you have this sort of like whole stop Asian hate campaign, right, 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.640 and you know, yeah, you have all this race like 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.839 sort of like racist like excitement of violence. Yeah, and 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:40.680 you get sort of two responses to it. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:41.000 Right. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.080 There's the kind of like liberal ish response, which is 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:48.200 stop Asian hate, but it's kind of vacuous, it doesn't 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.840 doesn't really have any political like content at all. It's 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.839 kind of vaguely anti Trump, but like there's not much there. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.039 And then there's the right wing response. And the right 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.760 ring response is just okay, like there, we're just gonna 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:05.360 blame black people for this, yeah, and that's like fucking horseshit. 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.840 It's like, no, it was almost everyone which is getting 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.400 killed by white people because that's almost all yeah, the 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:14.080 way racial violence works in this country, right, yeah, yeah, 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.359 But unfortunately, you know, this was an area where the 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:24.040 left kind of just did nothing. And if you look 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:25.960 at left response, you know, there's there's there's some people 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.120 who did stuff, right there is you know, like some 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.279 sex worker orgs like Red Canary Song did some great work. 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:36.479 But most of the rest of the American left saw 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.160 this and was like, Okay, the thing that matters here 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.120 and the actual problem with anti Asian violence is that 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.240 people are criticizing the Chinese government too much and that's 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.880 what's causing this, and so we need to defend the CCP. 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:53.479 And this is just politically, this is fucking radioactive to like, yeah, 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:58.160 eighty ninety percent of like fucking Asian Americans because like, yeah, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.000 there's a sort of sort of combinations of factors. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:00.360 Right. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.080 You have on the one hand, us sort of immigant 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.040 communities where most of this shit doesn't work because you're 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:05.920 dealing with people who were like, I don't know, we're 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.839 fucking sterilized by the government because the CCP decided to 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.760 like do Malfusian fucking population control. 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:14.960 Have no love for the CCP none whatsoever. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.240 Yeah, yeah, right, and then this is all this is 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:18.800 too reductive, even with Cubans. But it's like this is 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:20.600 something where you could just sort of brush this away 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.080 with like, oh, all of these people were like reactionaries 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.320 from Taiwan or something like that. It's like no, like 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.800 a lot of these people came here very recently, and 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.360 there are you know, there are sort of Tibetan communities. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:31.600 There's finishing gen here. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.160 Yeah, and all of those people like all of the 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.200 sort of pro CCP shit is radioactive, and that's what 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.200 was coming out of the American left. And the same 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:40.760 thing with like sort of with with the Hong Kong 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.800 movement right where there was like you know, there was 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:48.080 this really broad consensus amongst sort of American social democracy. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.480 You know, you're sort of like people who were like. 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.800 Marginally she left of Bernie right, that that stuff was 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.000 all CIA stuff and it was bad and that you 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:56.120 should support the CCP. 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:57.120 You know. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.200 I mean there are some Tenet organizers you do at work, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.040 We've had on the show, right, like, there there are 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.160 there are people trying to organize the communities, but like 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.400 the mainstream left was just like, fuck it, we don't care, 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.239 we don't give a shit about you, Like the important 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.680 thing about you being killed is that we can defend 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.000 this fucking state that we like. Yeah, And so what 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.040 happened to the stop Asian hate thing is that it 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.360 got folded into the crime panic because the product of 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.200 this was both the sort of right wing we're going 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.080 to give you anti black racism as you're like, this 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.080 is this is going to be your solution quote unquote 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.600 to this yeh, and the sort of stop Asian hate, 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.800 like mainstream sort of liberal thing both just fed directly 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.080 into carcuralism. And you know, so you started like it 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.600 turned into this rallying cry for like hate crime bills, 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.120 and then like increasing police presences and you know, like 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.319 the fucking cops were like all over the place of 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.240 this shit was happening, and you know, didn't do anything 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.079 because they're cops, right. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:50.920 Like, all of this. 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.560 Fed into it went sort of seamlessly into the crime panic, 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.680 where you could just feed all of these people the 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.760 sort of the sort of memory of the fear and 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.319 the anger over like Asian people getting killed, and you 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.960 could just lump that in with crime. And then these 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.680 communities also and when I say these communities, it's it's 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:13.400 kind of important here to do like class breakdowns here too, 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.680 because the big part of what's happening here is an 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:21.160 alignment that I think, like if the Republicans could be 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.679 like fifteen percent less racist or figure out how to 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.640 channel the racism against one target at a time, a 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.560 lot of these people would have fucking fled right in 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:30.840 the first place, because. 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.199 Yes, yes, so I was gonna say, yeah, yeah. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.160 It's like rich people, professionals and like small business owners. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.120 It's like, well, yeah, of course those people are like 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.719 unbelievably sort of turbo hardline reaction areas. It's like, yeah, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.600 those are the guys who are like shooting at people 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.400 from the rooftops and fucking la and ID two. Yeah, 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.840 like these same people in China, like in Taiwan, in 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.800 Hong Kong, like these are people that if you were 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:52.600 on the left, you would just be fighting every day. 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.480 But you know, they kind of had been lumped into 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:59.200 the Democratic Party because of the just unbelievable racism from 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.679 the Republicans. Now the sort of crime panic stuff has 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.160 finally given them this thing where the Republican deal is 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.360 basically like okay, if you're if you're okay with sort 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.240 of being anti black with us, if you're okay with 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.439 massive expansions of police presence, you're okay with us running 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.800 on that right and also on anti homeless politics. That's 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.400 been a huge, extremely effective thing Chicili among yeah, business owners. 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:21.520 I remember, God, I think. 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.559 I've told the story on air, But back when I 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.280 was in Chicago, there was this library in Chinatown that 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.120 I used to like, you know, it was it was 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.480 an extra a bunch of shops, and so you could 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.040 sort of you could get bakery food, and you could 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.240 go sit at these benches. And I came back to 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.520 them in twenty twenty and the benches literally had had 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.080 a thing drilled into the table threatening to arrest you 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.679 if you sat at them for too long a right, 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:42.400 and this is this is. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:43.760 Like twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.520 Yeah, so you know that the sort of anti homelessness 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.800 stuff had started really really early there, and it's just hideous. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.760 And you know, these places are swung to the right. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.840 They're electing Republicans, and they're doing it because this kind 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:00.280 of like Asian American petit bourgeois like small business class 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.720 and some of the sort of richer tech people, et cetera, 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.360 et cetera, are swinging really really hard to the right. 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.600 Yeah, man, that actually connected so many dots for me. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.559 Like first of all, like even to like the anti 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.200 homeless thing, like you know, you start seeing that weird 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:16.640 middle of. 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:18.439 The bench arm rail, yep. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.160 You know, like, well it's like that's so you won't 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.600 lay on it. You know, that's that's why you did this. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.800 But like, I hope what I'm about to say is 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:26.320 not a trope, you know what I'm saying, It's just 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.200 it's because of like the proximity that I've had with 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.280 the Asian community in the sense that my stepmom's Filipino. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.679 You know, all the DJs I've all worked with, all 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.920 these just hip hop. At some point in the nineties, 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.640 the Filipinos took over. Yep, I'm saying so like that's 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.280 been a lot of ways our community. But I found that, 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.319 you know, the like proper Asian in the jungle Asian 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.200 thing where it's like pending on your relationship with the 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.280 United States is almost even if you identify as Asian, 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.080 because you sit down ten Filipinos, like half of them 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.360 going to stay a Pacific islander. You know, the other 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.240 have gonna say it Asian, the other Avic gonna say hey, 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.480 Asian Pacific islander. And then and then my lord Cambodia 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.360 right next to them, who are all in Long Beach 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.800 and their crips, you know what I'm saying. So like 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:13.160 that sort of world like they were with us, you know, 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:14.600 as far as like they were just a part of 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:19.160 our community, whereas the sort of northern kind of proper 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.640 Asian world, like its cities is like Alhambra, Monie Roy Park, 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:23.800 this is very California stuff. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.280 But they stuck to themselves, you know, and they they 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:27.160 saw a lot of the. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:32.440 American things like this is pragmatic, like we're here to win, 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.400 like you know, Like so when you started having the 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:40.520 Asian hate thing like it it's almost like now that 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.239 you say it, it's like we just tied that community 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.840 up into a bow and then handed them to the right. 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.480 Because this all happened at the same time as like 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.680 the the anti affirmative action yep, you know. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.760 So I do want to say in the antiffirmative action stuff, 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.320 because I think people mischaracterize what's going on with that 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.520 Asian Americans as a whole and as subgroups support affirmative action, yes, 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.720 very consistently. Every time they're polls, there's like sixty percent 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.920 support for it, right, Yeah, but there's like forty percent 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.360 of these fucking dipshits who are like, yes, I don't know, 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.120 you know, I'm like my sort of like classic age 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.520 response to this is like I fucking did it. I 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.160 was a terrible student. I fuck I got into the 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.600 University of Chicago. Like you didn't take a fucking study harder, 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.240 Like you're you're not the reason. The reason you're not 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.360 getting into these universities isn't because like black people are 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:29.600 being allowed in. It's because you suck, like fucking skill issue, what. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:30.080 The fuck is wrong? 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:30.520 Really? 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.160 Yeah, but like like there's there was this like class. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.120 Yeah, you know, the sort of class and I was 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.120 gonna get to is this class distinction in the sense 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.480 that from a black perspective, it was like, Yo, we 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:45.079 rallied for y'all over the like stop Asian hate thing, 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.320 you know what I mean. And then to come back 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.240 around and see this again from a class perspective because 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.600 kind of the same thing happened in a lot of 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.600 ways in the black community. Because the reasoning as you 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.080 say that. That's why I say it all makes sense. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.760 The reasoning is the same, Like the system is not 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:07.360 for me, so I'm just gonna get mine. Damn the community, 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.600 you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm just gonna go 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.600 get mine, you know. And so in the again, in 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.840 the black community, for those that swung right, it was 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.079 just like like in some senses, they're like. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.680 Well, why no, y'all are fucking racists, like you know 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:20.080 what I'm saying. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:21.600 So I'd like as far as like the rights, like 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.080 I know you are with the left, it was more like, 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.720 you're just gaslighting me. So well, if you're just gonna 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.680 gaslight me and I already know that you hate me, 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.560 well fuck it, I'm just gonna get mine, you know. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:33.160 And that becomes the thing. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.160 But as a community, like you said, you know, in 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.040 the same way, as far as like the beef between 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.560 like the you know, the historical la riots like Chinese 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.320 and Korean communities, while their parents were on this on 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.600 the roofs of their of their shops shooting at us, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.720 they kids was breaking into the city. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.680 They was with us like that, breaking into the same 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.520 stories we was breaking into, you know. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.480 So that that class distinction was something that made us 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.640 kind of be like, bro, like, don't you understand you'll 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.880 never be one of them, They'll never really love you, 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.080 you know. And I feel like even that sort of 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:13.640 like appeal would lurch this group even further to be like, 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.400 don't tell me who you are, don't tell me where 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.160 they're They're giving me what I need, you know. So yeah, 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.160 like I never thought about tying all that together and 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.400 being that it being like a specific a Chinese lurching. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:24.440 Wow. I never thought of that. 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.040 Yeah, And okay, you know, you know what else sells 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:28.760 products that are from China. 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.760 It's these products and services support the podcast. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:45.240 We sell products from China. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:47.600 And we're back. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.040 So I think that there's one more thing I want 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.480 to make sure I get to about the Chinese American 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.760 stuff before we move on. And that's one of the 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.360 things you kind of brought up earlier, was the insolarity, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.440 because part of what's going on here too is that 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.200 there's a lot of Chinese immigrants and people who, you know, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.840 you get communities there speaking like they're uspeaking like kenzaneseor Mandarin, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.760 and in a lot of cases it's like you'll get 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:16.080 these very very small, tight knit communities with people who 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:20.920 are speaking like the provincial dialect that's like semi incomprehensible 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.400 to other people, right, because it's like effectively its own language. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.920 And one of the problems here, and this is one 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.680 of the places where the left shit the bed like 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.960 wasn't doing a good organizing, right, And the consequence of 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:35.560 this is that in these a lot of the things 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.080 that we're getting put out in these spaces, the media 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:39.000 is all. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:40.440 Unbelievably right wing. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:46.680 Yeah right, there's Miles Guah who whatever, God, like twelve 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:48.880 years from now when I finished the lab leak episode, 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:50.240 Wich is gonna be He's gonna be. A big part 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.320 of this was he was this Chinese billionaire who defected 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.600 to the US and came here and ran one trillion 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.160 scams and is currently going to prison for Like, yeah, 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.040 I'm pretty sure he was the guy whose boat Steve 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.120 Bannon was on when Steve Bannon got arrested by the 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:04.240 Post office cops. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.840 So like this varsity level guy, yeah. 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.399 Yeah, yeah, Like he was here. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.040 He was issuing passports from like a fake government in 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.320 exile that he set up. He's running every scam in 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.920 the entire world. But he's also you know, he's also 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.320 one of the people who started the whole Lablique thing 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.840 and he so he was flooding the like all all 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.560 the sort of Chinese language media with this hardline right 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.359 wing sort of pro Republican, hardline anti China stuff. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.280 And then you have a very similar thing. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:36.560 Coming from the Phone Gong, who are sking everywhere in 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.720 any every China town, there's Fallen Gong guys everywhere. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:40.680 They're posted. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.640 There are people so there are cult they run shn Yu, 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.800 they run a newspaper called The Epoch Times, which is 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:52.720 just a pure fascist propaganda outlet, and those things kind 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.040 of just like devoured the entire Chinese language media ecosystem. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.840 And it wasn't good before because like there were also 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.840 a bunch of other weird wing groups. Like part of 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.880 the problem here too is it's possible for in sort 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.080 of Asian American community for you to have two people who, 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:12.480 in by American standards, have identical politics, right, they're identically 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.879 right wing on things like racial politics, and they're like 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.760 edi crime stuff, you know, who are incredibly sexist and 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:21.960 like houblophobic, but they absolutely fucking hate each other because 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.000 one of them is a pro CCP Chinese nationalist and 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:25.840 one of them is an anti CCP Chinese nationalists. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:27.840 Wow yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.639 But this this kind of like you know, what's been 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.400 able to kind of weld that shit together is is 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.400 this sort of like republican anti black, off on crime 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.439 campaign combined with all of this sort of media sphere stuff. 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:40.320 Wow. 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.679 Yeah, you know, it's Shade's Rebellion all over again. Like 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.720 just that at least you're not them, yeah, you know. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.440 And and yeah, like the simplicity of that right wing 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.479 message of just like here's all your problems, all your 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.679 problems are those fools, and I'll just get rid of them. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.719 Yeah, and we can solve this with more cops and 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:58.320 Donald Trump. 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.000 We just solve it war. Yeah yeah. Man. 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:05.119 So for my end, I looked at the black and 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.080 Latino vote. I can run through the black one pretty 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.560 quick because it wasn't as interesting of a story and 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:15.160 also because you know, we did an episode with Garrison 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:19.359 Hayes from Mother Jones on like black conservatives and Trump voters. 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.600 And I think ultimately it comes down to the fact 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:25.359 of like the Frans for anand thought of like, okay, 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.359 what is what is liberation? Like what is freedom And 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.160 is it, you know, my ability to flourish without any 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.760 hindrances or is it a collective ending of suffering? 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:37.359 You know what I'm saying. 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.840 So like, in other words, it's like this, this plantation 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.080 would be better if I ran the big house rather 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.000 than being like, burn the fucking big house down because 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.320 there shouldn't be slavery, you know I'm saying, so like 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:54.720 that sort of approach to again the reality of why know, 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:56.920 the systems not for me in a lot of ways. 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.679 That's what's interesting about the understanding of this. So when 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.480 you would look at somebody like a black person, like 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.120 why would you vote for this racist man? And it's like, well, 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.440 the same reason I will vote for every other racist man, 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.520 you know what I'm saying, Like, which find me one 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:12.320 that ain't you know, So like that attitude is already there, 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.320 so you know, obviously all of us would push back 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:19.600 and say that like, well, you choosing yourself is also 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:23.520 a vote against yourself and is destroying your community. Clearly 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.439 it's never worked at some point, you know, which I'm 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.560 sure y'all can relate to. It's like I feel two 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:33.440 ways when I see like black people, specifically black men 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.840 sit at this table because I'm like, I can imagine 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:41.439 the first joke that you kind of let slide that 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:42.919 was like, I was kind. 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.960 Of weird, but I don't know, it's no big deal. 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:46.440 I'll get over it. 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.080 Maybe maybe they didn't mean it, you know. And then 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.400 that joke gets more and more intense, and then all 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.199 of a sudden, you sitting in a room and they 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:58.359 cracking jokes about Haitians eating pets and that Puerto Rico's 0:20:58.400 --> 0:20:59.520 a track, you know what I'm saying. It's like it 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:03.679 didn't start there. It started with you accepting and just 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.480 being like all lightening up, and at some point somebody 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.240 said something to you and you made a face and 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.640 they went, dude, just it's a joke. 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:13.359 Man, it's a joke. Come on, bro, you know me. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.040 You know me right, you've had that, you know I'm saying, 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.160 and I know that happened a year ago, and now 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:22.160 look at you. You know, so like eventually, the point 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:25.160 I'm making is like, at some point you are going 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:28.680 to have to lay down all of your identifying factors 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.359 to be able to stay at this table. And I 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.080 hope that I hope that thirty year fixed mortgage was 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.399 worth it, you know. So the black story is that 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:41.680 it's like, what is going to get us the financial 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:48.600 or get me specifically minds the financial freedom that the 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:53.600 Democrats kept promising but never gave to us. But that's, 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:55.520 like I said, that's a much less interesting story, in 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:59.200 my opinion, than the Latino vote, which we could. 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:00.719 Talk about after it is break. 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:17.480 All right, so we're back now sixty four percent right 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:22.640 of air quotes, Latinos voted right wing this year. Now 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:25.320 I feel like this, well, I don't feel like I 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.520 know this needs a lot of unpacking, because first of all, 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.440 what the hell is the Latino right is the first 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:34.040 question that you have to ask, And essentially I find 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.040 I figure, I think I've come to the fact that 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.000 what America means by that is you were colonized by Spain, 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:43.200 so in some way you kind of speak somewhat Spanish, 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.280 unless it's Brazil, in which case you were colonized by 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.720 the Portuguese right. So it's like you don't even know 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.000 what you mean, Like y'all don't even know what you mean. 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.280 It's sort of it's staggering that, like one of our 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:57.560 primary demographic categories was invented by a coalition of like 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:02.960 Maoists and like Vietnamese merchist Leninist that fell apart immediately 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.520 the moment that trying to invade Vietnam. And that's only 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:09.040 our second most incoherent democratic category. 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:12.040 It's completely incoherent. 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.879 Right, So you have exactly you have my wife, my 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:20.360 life partner, who is born in La but she is 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.639 a first gen She grew up in southern Mexico. 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:24.240 She is first gen Mexican. 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:30.040 But she's like, I identify as indigenous and it's and it's true. 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:32.680 She is like, even when we did the DNA test, 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:35.280 if you believe in that stuff, She's like, but you 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:38.159 could just look at her and I'm like, you're incing, 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:40.560 like you know what I'm saying, Just I'm just you're 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:41.160 looking at. 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.200 Her, and she's like, yeah, you're right, Like we are. 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:50.000 Overwhelmingly vast majority of her DNA is indigenous. So for her, 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.800 if you check a demographic box, it's like are you 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.960 are you Hispanic? She's like, why would I identify with 0:23:56.000 --> 0:24:00.680 the colonizer? So no, I'm not Hispanic, Like they're the colonizer, right, 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.440 Whereas you ask a Puerto Rican or a Cuban or 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.840 Dominican they say Hispanic, but they just mean it differently. 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:12.680 One because the island was called It's Fanola, I'm saying, 0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:16.359 so like they just mean something totally different. And Dominicans 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:19.600 as black as hell, yo said, And then what about 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.119 a Cuban. The way that they relate to America is 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.560 also incredibly different, especially because of like you know, I'm 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:28.200 pretty sure y'all y'all room knows, is if you could 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:30.879 touch dry ground, right, And that really just had to 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.040 do with the fact that we just ain't fuck with Castro. 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:36.840 So the way that they relate to even immigration is 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:40.520 completely different because if you could make it to the soy, 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:42.280 if you go back to Florida, you're a citizen. So 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.040 they just didn't go through the same things that people 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:48.080 from Central and South America went through to be able 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.640 to become a citizen. And on top of all that, California, 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:56.720 Arizona and Texas is Mexico, so like so some of 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.640 them ain't immigrants. They was here, like the border move 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:03.520 didn't the border to border across US. So you put 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.160 all that together mixed with a group of people who 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:11.959 might be nice generation Mexican that people that don't speak Spanish, 0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:13.920 they're no samples that you call it like, well't even 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:17.159 speak Spanish, you know what I'm saying that, Like you 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.840 love all these people who speak so many different languages 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:24.080 and have so many different understandings of who they are, 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:27.320 and you just call them Latino and then you get 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.000 this number. But if you're willing to accept the absurdity 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:33.280 of it, then then we could talk about the actual, 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:38.320 Like what actually happened here and what you find are 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.919 two things that are seem so reductive. But as you 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:46.439 look at the exit polls and even like interviews that 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:49.960 I actual that I personally conducted. If you set aside 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:53.200 the person that has been just cooked by just the 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.040 right wing information, like set that person aside, that is 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.560 just you've just your brain's been cooked. Like you set 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.480 that aside, and you look at this, there are two 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.960 very reductive things that just continue to just be true. 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:10.280 One is, Latin America is very religious. It's still Catholic, 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:14.159 and machismo is a big part of their culture. And 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:18.960 it just it seems so reductive, but it's but it's 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:23.600 what happened. You know, this is still a very patriarchal culture. 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:28.240 And you know, as anecdotal and as running joke as 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:31.520 it is that like if you have a Latina daughter 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:35.720 and she's bringing because again they're very traditional. That's why 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.960 I'm saying I'm using cisgender things. It's like you bring 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:42.760 a boy over your grandma, all your theas are watching, 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:45.040 you make him a plate. You have to go over 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:46.679 there and make him a plate and sit it in 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.320 front of him, or you going to be judged. This 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:53.639 is just the culture, you know, so it's no surprise 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.639 that that is not going to play into how you 0:26:56.760 --> 0:27:01.399 vote right. And then secondly, the religious thing in the 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:05.600 sense that like this actually like really blew my mind. 0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.920 And a couple interviews I had I wanted to talk 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:13.359 to specifically Latina women cause I was like, it just 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:15.800 seemed as though there was just a triple layer of 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.280 shit you'd have to swallow to be able to go 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:24.560 this route right, And my main question was like what 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:29.400 was the non negotiable and was there a line that 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:35.720 Trump and by extension, the Republican Party could cross, Like 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:37.399 where's the where's the line? 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:39.520 What is the too far line? Right? 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:43.520 And they landed on a few things. It was crazy, 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:45.439 like after talking to three different women, they all kind 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:46.639 of landed on the same things. 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.760 It was abortion, right. 0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.080 They were like, at the end of the day, this 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.879 is untenable, and to which I pushed back where I 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.520 was like, well, Trump's not anti abortion, And what they 0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:01.120 all said was like, we could deal with the sixteen 0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:04.560 week like I could deal with the sixteen week thing, obviously, 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.199 because again they are women and they're not completely pilled. 0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:12.000 They're like, we understand that there are situations that happened, 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:18.040 right that just are untenable. And then the next thing 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:20.679 that they said was like, which was the part that 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:23.280 like really just kept putting my brain in a pretzel, 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:28.320 was we are really big on anti sex trafficking and 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:34.199 the idea for us on this knowing that like, okay, 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.280 so the right wing stole that, like they don't believe it. 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:40.840 They stole that concept and they wrapped everything around it. Right, 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.640 But one of them mentioned how she couldn't vote for 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:48.040 Hillary because she heard rumors about child stuff and she's 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:49.720 I mean, she's referring to pizzagate, you. 0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:52.440 Know, yeah, yeah, it's just cute shit. 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.040 Of which I was able to push back to be like, 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.920 well that was you know, it was debunked, like and 0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:58.560 she was like, I just don't want to I just 0:28:58.560 --> 0:28:59.000 don't like. 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:00.720 I just don't like how they move. 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.440 I don't trust Bill and how he behaved in the 0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:04.480 Oval office. 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:06.960 And it's like you're looking around, like are. 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.120 You They weren't both on that played. 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:11.200 I'm like. 0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:13.640 She even said, she was like, but the Epstein thing, 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.480 and I'm like, well, they're all I don't. 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:19.160 I don't understand. 0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.960 I don't understand how you don't see this connection, right, 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.239 And to which they both said, oh, no, we see it. 0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:30.600 You're again. Find me someone that's not nasty, is their answer. 0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:32.960 Find me someone that's not corrupt, Find me someone that's 0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:36.800 not nasty. At least he's gonna save the babies, was 0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:40.280 the thing. And then the next question I had about 0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:45.720 them was the anti immigration thing, the borders, right, and 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:49.239 we're talking to people who are one in two, some 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.760 of them three generations removed. And one of them gave 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:57.480 me an example of a family members in law who 0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:01.720 got deported fifty years old, got deported from something they 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.160 did when they were nineteen. He's like, it's tough, like 0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.560 this was a hard working man who's done his best, 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:10.240 who you know, has has done everything they could and 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.320 it's got it. So I asked her like, Yo, do 0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.720 you think that so, do you think that that's unfair? No, 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:20.080 she was like, our family waited in line, Our family 0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.840 did everything they needed to do. We fought. We came 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.280 to this same thing. We came to this country because 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.160 we believed in the dream and we fought for it, 0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.600 you know, and we and we did it right, you know. Obviously, 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.280 like with the Mexican like sort of like work ethic 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:37.160 of like no excuses, just work. We can't stand for 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.840 no cheaters. We don't believe in stuff like that. You 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:43.240 have to work for yours right, and we come here. 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.800 There's no cuts in front of the lines, there's no shortcuts. 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:48.920 You do the work right and if you cheat, you 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:50.040 go to the back of the line. 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:51.040 That's just what it is. 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:55.680 So she's like, he's talking about criminals. I'm not a criminal. 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:59.160 He's talking about criminals. You know, that's not me. I'm 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:03.720 I'm a hard working citizen, you know. So that sort 0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:07.440 of mindset, and then she said, at the end of 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:08.120 the day. 0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.560 We came for the dream. I'm here to work, you know. 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:14.760 And if I put in the work, if my family 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:18.560 puts into work, we succeed. That's what this country's for. 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:21.440 You're fucking it up for all of us. You cheating 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.600 the system is fucking it up for all of us. 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:27.920 And so that sort of like I can swallow the 0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:31.080 racist shit because I don't give a fuck about you anyway, 0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:32.880 because I already know you don't give a fuck about me. 0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.120 I'm just here to get mine. So for them, at 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.120 least according to the way they're explaining it is like 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.160 the prejudice line is not a line they worried about. 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:45.000 That's something I've already accepted, you know. But what is 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:49.560 a line is oddly enough, treatment of women and the 0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:54.479 treatment of children and the ability to flourish. And then 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.040 lastly for the men, it's what we know, like just 0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:01.360 the Mano sphears cooked our kids, just cook them, you know. 0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:07.600 And it dovetailed so well into the Latino machismo and 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.560 even on the black shit. Like I knew we were 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.560 in trouble when the hood niggas was talking, was running 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.560 around here saying they was gonna vote for Trump because 0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.120 it's because they understand it. It's like you either get 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:21.800 on or get out. Like I'm here, I'm gonna get 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:23.360 with my You either form me or against me. 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:24.720 This is what we're doing. 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:27.680 You know what I'm saying, right, I'm gonna let you 0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:30.360 be you know, as as derogatory as this is, like, 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:32.360 I'm gonna let you be a man. You go fight 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:34.840 what you gonna fight, and the Democrats are gonna turn 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:38.040 your sons and the daughters. I don't rob like that's 0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.640 the that's the thought, you know what I'm saying. It's like, okay, 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:42.560 well well fuck it, let's just get ours. 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:43.280 You know what I'm saying. 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:48.200 That simplicity of a message. It just resonated while you 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.360 have which didn't bother me, but you have somebody like 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.840 Obama coming in there like somebody's uncle. 0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:55.640 Basically like you young. 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.600 Niggas need to turn, pull up your pants, stop acting 0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:00.520 like thugs, and get in line. 0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:01.080 You know what I'm saying. 0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.120 It's like, all right, okay, uh you know, to me, 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:04.760 I don't bother me because I'm like, well, yeah, you're 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:06.960 somebody's uncle, like you are that oh of course that's 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:10.120 how you talk, you know. But the street dudes, it's like, look, man, 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.120 I don't need this, like I don't need this Harvard 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.840 grad like pretty ass like rich nigga to tell me 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:17.239 what it's like. You was never out you weren't out here, 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.360 you weren't in the trenches. You know what I'm saying, 0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:21.760 Like you're a millionaire, I don't like you. You barely 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:23.640 want to oh because you can hoop, Oh because you 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:25.480 like basketball. You one of us, you know what I'm saying. 0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:29.719 So I just think that that like you've already got yours, 0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:35.680 so let me get mine. Is like, at the end 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:40.480 of the day, was so appealing to this particular demographic 0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:41.440 and it just made sense. 0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:43.360 So that's why they voted that way. 0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:45.720 Yeah, And I think there's there's sort of like angles 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:47.440 of this too that connect with what was going on 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.120 with with Dasian Americans, so partially, also the religion angle 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:53.040 is a thing that isn't talked about enough and also 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:56.640 isn't talked about enough with Asian Americans, like particularly Chinese Americans. 0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:01.560 There's a whole bunch of how do I explain this 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:02.200 in a way that. 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:05.840 You know, the sort of like zeal of a convert shit, 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:10.000 where like the first generation converts are the most nuts. Yeah, 0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.920 so that's like a huge portion of like Chinese Christians 0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:17.360 or these like first generation evangelical converts, and so you 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:21.879 get these just like really terrifying, like ferociously right wing 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.040 stuff that there's just kind of like just kind of 0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:30.480 eats everything around it. And I think the second part is, 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.600 I think it's an interesting distinction here too, because I 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:36.520 think there's like a kind of differing parts of the 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:39.480 storysness of the kind of like we came here to 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.279 work thing, because that was the Asian American thing from 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.840 maybe twenty years ago, and the last ten years and 0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:50.239 especially post twenty twenty has been people realizing that it's 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.160 not real, yeah, and that you know, you work, you work, 0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:54.600 you work, you work, and this is this is actually 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.719 also funny enough, exact same thing happening in China, with 0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:00.000 sort of different political results because it's less it's you know, 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.040 we're not dealing with ye, like the same kind of 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:04.479 sort of immigrant culture stuff. But the Chinese American version 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:06.680 of this was like, Okay, we need to figure out 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.640 who to blame for this, and they were like, well, yeah, okay, 0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:12.680 it's because of like all of this crime shit, because 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.200 like people are going to prison for one million years, 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:17.239 and like I see a black person and there's like 0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:20.240 a homeless person who I have to like walk past 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:23.160 every day. This is the reason why like our fucking 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:27.040 dream died and that was a really sort of appealing 0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.359 message people. And it's the same kind of thing with 0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:31.839 the people who went for the affirmative action stuff, where 0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.880 it was like the people who you know are like 0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:37.359 in all seriousness, like we're running into kind of like 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.759 oh no, there actually is a sort of wall that 0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:43.520 you hit, yeah, where it doesn't matter how hard you work, 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:45.879 like there's only so many spots at the university. There's 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:47.960 only so many totally, you know, there's only so much 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:51.160 so far you can go. And hitting that wall drove 0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:52.600 a bunch of people, right. 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.520 You make a good point, you know, And and I'm 0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:59.120 I imagine the same sort of reaction to that within 0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:01.240 the Chinese communit He's gonna be the same with ours, 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:05.719 where it's like, okay, you gont learn that you are 0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:09.640 not welcome to that table. You know, they will always 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:13.719 choose themselves. And you know you could dress yourself up, 0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.680 you know, and just to the degree for which you 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:20.920 can alter all identifying factors for us, it's like to 0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.880 the degree for which you can remove your blackness is 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.000 to the degree for which you're welcomed in this table. 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.360 But at some point you can't take it off, it 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:31.440 all rub off, you know, dress your kids up. You know, 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.560 that was like for us with respectability politics, like teach 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.120 your kids just speak proper English and dress them up 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:40.680 and don't let them wear hoodies. Okay, good luck, you know, 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:45.360 like Jay Z's seminal work. Look, OJ said, I'm not black, 0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:51.200 I'm OJ Okay, Like you know, it's just yeah, they 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.839 will never accept you. The world you're trying to get 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.760 into will never accept you. And this step towards trying 0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.759 to be accepted by this world is working against you 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:02.680 and everyone else behind you. 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:06.040 You know. But this is America. You can vote whatever 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:07.120 you want to vote well. 0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:09.560 And I think twenty twenty, like for us, was that 0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.000 moment right where like, you know, everyone kind of got 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.879 knocked out of the you know, whichever way you sort 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.640 of fragmented politically, it is like that's when we got 0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.480 knocked out of the sort of obamam multiracial dream. Was 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:23.760 when you realize that, like all of this fucking progress 0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:25.279 you made isn't going to stop people from killing you 0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:27.920 in the street. Yes, And the reaction to that was like, 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:29.440 and I saw this on the left where like a 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.040 bunch of people basically splintered off and became like hardline 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.959 Chinese nationalists because they were afraid and they were like, Okay, well, 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:37.279 you know, here's this thing that we have, this like 0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:39.120 strong state that will protect us, and we just have 0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:41.439 to fight for it. Here it's like, well that didn't work, right, 0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:43.160 you know. And then you have a lot of other 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:46.600 people who started to recognize that this wasn't going to 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.560 happen right, that like the thing that they had bought 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.239 into was a lie. But the part of it that 0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.520 they believed, they were just like, well, okay, if we 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:57.759 can just like fucking get the black people out of 0:37:57.760 --> 0:37:59.640 here and like we can get the cops in, yeah, 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:01.440 you know, we can go back to living in our 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:02.680 fucking fantasy world. 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:03.120 Yeah. 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:06.600 And that's been just the sort of dominant response to it. 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:08.920 And I don't know, it's bleak, but it's it's not 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:14.160 something that can't be overcome, but it's gonna require, like, 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.800 it's going to require organizing, and it's going to require 0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:21.520 the left to not be about fucking making white people 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.920 feel more anti imperialist, which has been what fucking politics 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:29.120 ortation Americans has been. And until that shake at Sheddison's 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:34.239 like you're gonna keep seeing this shit accelerate. 0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:39.040 Yeah, man, has there been any if the right term 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.600 is like vision casting among this community, because like I 0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.920 say that to say, albeit a very small, very small 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:50.040 fraction of voices, but among some of the black thinkers, 0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:56.600 is like a serious consideration of pursuing like creating a 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.520 third party of just like like but let's like take 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.880 it serious this time, like for real, for real. Yeah, 0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:04.680 you know, like there's you know, it's like I said, 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:08.600 it's very small and like obviously, like my grandchildren will 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:12.040 probably be the ones to see any sort of beginnings 0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:15.120 of that actually taking route. But it's still like, you know, 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.440 people are some of the things that are being talked 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:20.279 about right now, Like we just did like really like 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:22.080 really consider it. 0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:23.239 Is there anything like that going on? 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:25.239 No, like, and this is this Alcio. 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:26.920 Part of the problem is that like the Asian American 0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:30.760 intellectual class is like one of the most bankrupt classes 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:34.200 in the entire country. There's nothing, it's a wasteland out there. 0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:39.960 Like it's oh my god, yeah, like it's it's so bad. 0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:41.839 It's it's like all of the art and the media, 0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.520 the culture and the sort of analysis is all I've 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:46.360 talked about in this show a decent amount, but it's 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.120 all wrapped up in this sort of like oh, you 0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:50.479 two can like integrate and become a small business owner. 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.640 And those people, you know, the people who believe that 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.640 and people who did that don't actually have any interesting ideas. 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:56.440 Yeah they have. 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:58.880 They have the incredibly narrow ideas of their class and 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.480 the incredible narrow idea, incredibly narrow ideas that their class 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:03.840 are completely useless for the sort. 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:04.799 Of task we have ahead of us. 0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.200 Yeah, and it's kind of working for them. 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.399 Yeah, I mean it's working for them. It's just said, 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:10.960 it isn't working for anyone else exactly. 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.000 Yeah, And like god, like I don't know, like the 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.319 people who are supposed to be like Wesley Yang, who 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.680 was supposed to be like the great sort of like 0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:21.399 new Asian intellectual is now this just completely cooked, right, 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.880 Winger Like some of some of the people have been 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:27.920 like turning on some of the like the big podcasters 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:29.920 have been like turning on trans people, and I'm just like, well, 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:34.600 fuck all you guys eat shit basically, So yeah, it's 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:40.200 it's the situation's bad. It's also the fragmentation is so 0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:44.120 powerful because you're dealing with so many kinds of like 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:46.759 linguistic lions and lines between people who've been here for 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.960 ten generations and people who just like walk off the 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.880 boat yesterday. There's you know, and so the fragmentation I 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:55.840 think helps prevent a more coherent sphere. 0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.080 But like it's it's bleak out there. 0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:05.200 Yeah, yeah, you know, obviously, like the Black queer community 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:11.560 is obviously incredibly vibrant and strong and organized, and you know, 0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:14.560 at least from the part of the intersection that I'm 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:16.920 a part of, you know, the voice coming out of 0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.920 that that space of like a lot of times of 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:23.160 like very much prophetic and like, you know, very much 0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:26.440 like truth telling that you hear from. Again, like you know, 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.280 black queer community is like from our perspective, they continue 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:31.520 to be like five steps ahead of us, yeah, you 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:34.359 know of like where we need to go as as 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:35.280 a as a people. 0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:37.799 Yeah, this was like the sex worker Orgs for us. 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:41.440 But then because this is another thing with Left just 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:43.000 kind of hit the bed right, Like this is a 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.560 thing with Bernie where Bernie voted for SIS to foster, right, 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:49.920 and there's never been a reckoning about that at all. Yeah, 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.200 And so you know, like the stuff that could have 0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:56.640 come out of that just kind of never did and 0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.120 we never got the kind of integration and the kind 0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.759 of politics that we could have had if people had 0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:06.719 been like five percent, well not five so they would 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:07.600 would require. 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:08.480 Them to move their positions a bit. 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:12.200 But like people had actually cared about sex workers, we 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:13.520 wouldn't be here right now. 0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:17.000 But you told a different story. Yeah, yeah, well that 0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.399 was informative. This has been. 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:23.160 Uh, I don't know how do I how do we 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:24.719 describe what this has been? Well? 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.080 Miya, you know I think I close to this right, 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.799 Like this situation isn't hopeless. Yeah, right, there's there's been 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.839 a lot of good, tenanted organizing going on, Like there's 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.560 a lot of kinds of stuff that can and do work. 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.600 It's knows to the grindstone time, right, it is time 0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.719 to lock in, time to organize, and these communities can 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:43.520 be organized. 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:45.360 Yeah, we just haven't yet. 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:49.239 And you know, yeah, to your point, like for me, 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:52.959 like all information is helpful, like like if somebody's lying 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:56.120 to you, like it's it's good information to know that 0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:59.759 this person thinks that that's something worth lying about. 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:01.399 You know, like you just you. 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:03.160 Just told me something about yourself that the fact that 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:05.160 you think that that's worth lying about. So I say 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:09.719 all that to say this understanding a better understanding of 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:12.720 like it's hard to reason reason with somebody when they're hungry, 0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:17.200 you know, so just a better understanding of what are 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:23.600 these communities actually prioritize, what do they actually value? And obviously, 0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.680 like you know, the dims and unfortunately even the left 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:30.279 was just like just swinging a miss. Guys, Like this 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:33.239 type of thing, like you said, is not hopeless. It's like, 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:37.280 now there's an understanding of like, okay, so you value 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.319 the hustle. All right, well let me tell you in 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.040 the ways for which the choice you just made is 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:45.200 working against your hustle, you know, like or now now here, 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.479 here are ways for which you can like you said 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:51.080 no to the grind and accomplish these goals in a 0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:53.560 way that's not so detrimental to the people around you. 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.799 Yeah, you know, I'm with it. Like I'm not hopeless either. 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:58.759 I think that we just need to think about the word, 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.319 our word choice and what hills we willing to die 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:03.759 on and be like this is what we met when 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:04.760 we said this. 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:08.800 Yeah, it could happen. 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.160 Here is a production of cool Zone Media. For more 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:15.560 podcasts from cool Zone Media. 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