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Speaker 1: Media, what have y'all?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to It already happened here, because this was the

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Speaker 2: goal of this show, was to tell you that things

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Speaker 2: was probably going to happen here, and then it did.

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Speaker 3: I am not one of the normal hosts, as you

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Speaker 3: can tell.

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Speaker 2: I am your your friendly cousin that shows up every

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Speaker 2: once in a while during the holidays. And if your

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Speaker 2: cousins are anything like my cousins, which means we're immediately

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Speaker 2: going to get in trouble because parents are gonna blame

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Speaker 2: you since I'm the cousin, because it's not my fault

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Speaker 2: because I'm the guest. Anyway, we want to talk about

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Speaker 2: some stuff that, like in some senses, is a bit

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Speaker 2: absurd to talk about, because like the American understanding of

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Speaker 2: pan ethnic terms and demographics are just.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, sir, yes, right, it just don't make sense.

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Speaker 2: Like nobody in the group identifies as what the group

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Speaker 2: is called, but that's still the group, right. I recommend

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Speaker 2: a book called white Fish Don't Exist. It's a great book.

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Speaker 2: I'm here with the brilliant, brilliant meta wong.

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Speaker 4: What's up, miya, It's it's all happening, It's it's all

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Speaker 4: happening here. And it sucks, but at least I'm getting

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Speaker 4: great interests, best what I've ever gotten best best interest.

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Speaker 2: That's what I come for, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: Like I come for us to be able to have

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Speaker 2: pancakes for breakfast, you know, because your cousin's here, you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, So you get to have like

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Speaker 2: pancakes for breakfast and you know, stay in your pajamas longer,

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Speaker 2: Like it's great when your cousins are here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, so let's do this we want to talk about. Well,

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Speaker 2: the thing is, like I don't know if y'all have

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Speaker 2: admitted I admitted this on our show that like we

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Speaker 2: kind of had to have all hands on deck discussion

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Speaker 2: here as to like, okay, let's get organized, like let's

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Speaker 2: figure out what we're gonna say as a network and

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Speaker 2: kind of brainstorm things talk about because I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: like a lot of us are still like wait, what

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Speaker 2: the fuck? I'm sorry what like, you know, and us

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Speaker 2: holding down the DEI section of cool zode we are

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Speaker 2: the diversity, equity and inclusion over here. Figured you know,

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Speaker 2: there were some things that were super shocking around some

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Speaker 2: voted for who and how much? And so we kind

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Speaker 2: of wanted to talk about the asient vote, right yep,

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Speaker 2: which is again from the intro it's an absurd category to.

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Speaker 5: Say that, yeah, totally, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The Latino vote, which is also equally as absurd as

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Speaker 3: And yeah, just.

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Speaker 2: Where some of the sort of marginalized groups, like some

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Speaker 2: will say, as far as holding down the black man, say,

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Speaker 2: I am very proud of us for eventually coming back home,

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Speaker 2: right and voting in the upper eighty percent for the

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Speaker 3: Immensely, you know. But either way, we just wanted to

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Speaker 2: And I think one caveat for me, I would say,

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Speaker 2: I am, in fact a black man, So I think

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Speaker 2: I can speak from a certain level of experience. Obviously

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, this is one of these you're

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Speaker 4: you have this sort of like whole stop Asian hate campaign, right,

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Speaker 3: Have no love for the CCP none whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, and then this is all this is

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Speaker 5: There's finishing gen here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and all of those people like all of the

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Speaker 4: Marginally she left of Bernie right, that that stuff was

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Speaker 4: I mean there are some Tenet organizers you do at work,

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Speaker 4: It's like rich people, professionals and like small business owners.

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Speaker 4: I've told the story on air, But back when I

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Speaker 4: So I think that there's one more thing I want

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Speaker 5: Unbelievably right wing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, there's Miles Guah who whatever, God, like twelve

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Speaker 2: So like, in other words, it's like this, this plantation

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Speaker 3: Man, it's a joke. Come on, bro, you know me.

436
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 2: You know me right, you've had that, you know I'm saying,

437
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 2: and I know that happened a year ago, and now

438
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 2: look at you. You know, so like eventually, the point

439
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm making is like, at some point you are going

440
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 2: to have to lay down all of your identifying factors

441
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 2: to be able to stay at this table. And I

442
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: hope that I hope that thirty year fixed mortgage was

443
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 2: worth it, you know. So the black story is that

444
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 2: it's like, what is going to get us the financial

445
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 2: or get me specifically minds the financial freedom that the

446
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 2: Democrats kept promising but never gave to us. But that's,

447
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 2: like I said, that's a much less interesting story, in

448
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 2: my opinion, than the Latino vote, which we could.

449
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,719
Speaker 3: Talk about after it is break.

450
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 2: All right, so we're back now sixty four percent right

451
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 2: of air quotes, Latinos voted right wing this year. Now

452
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 2: I feel like this, well, I don't feel like I

453
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 2: know this needs a lot of unpacking, because first of all,

454
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 2: what the hell is the Latino right is the first

455
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: question that you have to ask, And essentially I find

456
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: I figure, I think I've come to the fact that

457
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: what America means by that is you were colonized by Spain,

458
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 2: so in some way you kind of speak somewhat Spanish,

459
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: unless it's Brazil, in which case you were colonized by

460
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: the Portuguese right. So it's like you don't even know

461
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: what you mean, Like y'all don't even know what you mean.

462
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 4: It's sort of it's staggering that, like one of our

463
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 4: primary demographic categories was invented by a coalition of like

464
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 4: Maoists and like Vietnamese merchist Leninist that fell apart immediately

465
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 4: the moment that trying to invade Vietnam. And that's only

466
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 4: our second most incoherent democratic category.

467
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: It's completely incoherent.

468
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: Right, So you have exactly you have my wife, my

469
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 2: life partner, who is born in La but she is

470
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 2: a first gen She grew up in southern Mexico.

471
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: She is first gen Mexican.

472
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: But she's like, I identify as indigenous and it's and it's true.

473
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 2: She is like, even when we did the DNA test,

474
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: if you believe in that stuff, She's like, but you

475
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: could just look at her and I'm like, you're incing,

476
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying, Just I'm just you're

477
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 2: looking at.

478
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 3: Her, and she's like, yeah, you're right, Like we are.

479
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: Overwhelmingly vast majority of her DNA is indigenous. So for her,

480
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: if you check a demographic box, it's like are you

481
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: are you Hispanic? She's like, why would I identify with

482
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 2: the colonizer? So no, I'm not Hispanic, Like they're the colonizer, right,

483
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: Whereas you ask a Puerto Rican or a Cuban or

484
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: Dominican they say Hispanic, but they just mean it differently.

485
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 2: One because the island was called It's Fanola, I'm saying,

486
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: so like they just mean something totally different. And Dominicans

487
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: as black as hell, yo said, And then what about

488
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: a Cuban. The way that they relate to America is

489
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: also incredibly different, especially because of like you know, I'm

490
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: pretty sure y'all y'all room knows, is if you could

491
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: touch dry ground, right, And that really just had to

492
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: do with the fact that we just ain't fuck with Castro.

493
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: So the way that they relate to even immigration is

494
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: completely different because if you could make it to the soy,

495
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: if you go back to Florida, you're a citizen. So

496
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: they just didn't go through the same things that people

497
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: from Central and South America went through to be able

498
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: to become a citizen. And on top of all that, California,

499
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: Arizona and Texas is Mexico, so like so some of

500
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: them ain't immigrants. They was here, like the border move

501
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: didn't the border to border across US. So you put

502
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: all that together mixed with a group of people who

503
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 2: might be nice generation Mexican that people that don't speak Spanish,

504
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: they're no samples that you call it like, well't even

505
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: speak Spanish, you know what I'm saying that, Like you

506
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: love all these people who speak so many different languages

507
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: and have so many different understandings of who they are,

508
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: and you just call them Latino and then you get

509
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: this number. But if you're willing to accept the absurdity

510
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: of it, then then we could talk about the actual,

511
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: Like what actually happened here and what you find are

512
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: two things that are seem so reductive. But as you

513
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 2: look at the exit polls and even like interviews that

514
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: I actual that I personally conducted. If you set aside

515
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: the person that has been just cooked by just the

516
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: right wing information, like set that person aside, that is

517
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: just you've just your brain's been cooked. Like you set

518
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: that aside, and you look at this, there are two

519
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: very reductive things that just continue to just be true.

520
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: One is, Latin America is very religious. It's still Catholic,

521
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: and machismo is a big part of their culture. And

522
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: it just it seems so reductive, but it's but it's

523
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: what happened. You know, this is still a very patriarchal culture.

524
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: And you know, as anecdotal and as running joke as

525
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: it is that like if you have a Latina daughter

526
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: and she's bringing because again they're very traditional. That's why

527
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying I'm using cisgender things. It's like you bring

528
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: a boy over your grandma, all your theas are watching,

529
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: you make him a plate. You have to go over

530
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: there and make him a plate and sit it in

531
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: front of him, or you going to be judged. This

532
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 2: is just the culture, you know, so it's no surprise

533
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: that that is not going to play into how you

534
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: vote right. And then secondly, the religious thing in the

535
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: sense that like this actually like really blew my mind.

536
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: And a couple interviews I had I wanted to talk

537
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: to specifically Latina women cause I was like, it just

538
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: seemed as though there was just a triple layer of

539
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: shit you'd have to swallow to be able to go

540
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: this route right, And my main question was like what

541
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 2: was the non negotiable and was there a line that

542
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: Trump and by extension, the Republican Party could cross, Like

543
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: where's the where's the line?

544
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: What is the too far line? Right?

545
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: And they landed on a few things. It was crazy,

546
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 2: like after talking to three different women, they all kind

547
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: of landed on the same things.

548
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: It was abortion, right.

549
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: They were like, at the end of the day, this

550
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: is untenable, and to which I pushed back where I

551
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: was like, well, Trump's not anti abortion, And what they

552
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: all said was like, we could deal with the sixteen

553
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: week like I could deal with the sixteen week thing, obviously,

554
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: because again they are women and they're not completely pilled.

555
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: They're like, we understand that there are situations that happened,

556
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: right that just are untenable. And then the next thing

557
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: that they said was like, which was the part that

558
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: like really just kept putting my brain in a pretzel,

559
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: was we are really big on anti sex trafficking and

560
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: the idea for us on this knowing that like, okay,

561
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: so the right wing stole that, like they don't believe it.

562
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: They stole that concept and they wrapped everything around it. Right,

563
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: But one of them mentioned how she couldn't vote for

564
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: Hillary because she heard rumors about child stuff and she's

565
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: I mean, she's referring to pizzagate, you.

566
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, yeah, it's just cute shit.

567
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: Of which I was able to push back to be like,

568
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: well that was you know, it was debunked, like and

569
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: she was like, I just don't want to I just

570
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: don't like.

571
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: I just don't like how they move.

572
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: I don't trust Bill and how he behaved in the

573
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: Oval office.

574
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: And it's like you're looking around, like are.

575
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 5: You They weren't both on that played.

576
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: I'm like.

577
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: She even said, she was like, but the Epstein thing,

578
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, they're all I don't.

579
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: I don't understand.

580
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: I don't understand how you don't see this connection, right,

581
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,239
Speaker 2: And to which they both said, oh, no, we see it.

582
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: You're again. Find me someone that's not nasty, is their answer.

583
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: Find me someone that's not corrupt, Find me someone that's

584
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: not nasty. At least he's gonna save the babies, was

585
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: the thing. And then the next question I had about

586
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: them was the anti immigration thing, the borders, right, and

587
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 2: we're talking to people who are one in two, some

588
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: of them three generations removed. And one of them gave

589
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: me an example of a family members in law who

590
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: got deported fifty years old, got deported from something they

591
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: did when they were nineteen. He's like, it's tough, like

592
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: this was a hard working man who's done his best,

593
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: who you know, has has done everything they could and

594
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: it's got it. So I asked her like, Yo, do

595
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: you think that so, do you think that that's unfair? No,

596
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: she was like, our family waited in line, Our family

597
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: did everything they needed to do. We fought. We came

598
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: to this same thing. We came to this country because

599
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: we believed in the dream and we fought for it,

600
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, and we and we did it right, you know. Obviously,

601
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: like with the Mexican like sort of like work ethic

602
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: of like no excuses, just work. We can't stand for

603
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: no cheaters. We don't believe in stuff like that. You

604
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: have to work for yours right, and we come here.

605
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: There's no cuts in front of the lines, there's no shortcuts.

606
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: You do the work right and if you cheat, you

607
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: go to the back of the line.

608
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: That's just what it is.

609
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: So she's like, he's talking about criminals. I'm not a criminal.

610
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: He's talking about criminals. You know, that's not me. I'm

611
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: I'm a hard working citizen, you know. So that sort

612
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: of mindset, and then she said, at the end of

613
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: the day.

614
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: We came for the dream. I'm here to work, you know.

615
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: And if I put in the work, if my family

616
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: puts into work, we succeed. That's what this country's for.

617
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: You're fucking it up for all of us. You cheating

618
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: the system is fucking it up for all of us.

619
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: And so that sort of like I can swallow the

620
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: racist shit because I don't give a fuck about you anyway,

621
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: because I already know you don't give a fuck about me.

622
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: I'm just here to get mine. So for them, at

623
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: least according to the way they're explaining it is like

624
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: the prejudice line is not a line they worried about.

625
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: That's something I've already accepted, you know. But what is

626
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: a line is oddly enough, treatment of women and the

627
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 2: treatment of children and the ability to flourish. And then

628
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: lastly for the men, it's what we know, like just

629
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: the Mano sphears cooked our kids, just cook them, you know.

630
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: And it dovetailed so well into the Latino machismo and

631
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: even on the black shit. Like I knew we were

632
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: in trouble when the hood niggas was talking, was running

633
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: around here saying they was gonna vote for Trump because

634
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: it's because they understand it. It's like you either get

635
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: on or get out. Like I'm here, I'm gonna get

636
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: with my You either form me or against me.

637
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: This is what we're doing.

638
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, right, I'm gonna let you

639
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: be you know, as as derogatory as this is, like,

640
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you be a man. You go fight

641
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: what you gonna fight, and the Democrats are gonna turn

642
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: your sons and the daughters. I don't rob like that's

643
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: the that's the thought, you know what I'm saying. It's like, okay,

644
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: well well fuck it, let's just get ours.

645
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

646
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: That simplicity of a message. It just resonated while you

647
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: have which didn't bother me, but you have somebody like

648
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: Obama coming in there like somebody's uncle.

649
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: Basically like you young.

650
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: Niggas need to turn, pull up your pants, stop acting

651
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: like thugs, and get in line.

652
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

653
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, okay, uh you know, to me,

654
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: I don't bother me because I'm like, well, yeah, you're

655
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: somebody's uncle, like you are that oh of course that's

656
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: how you talk, you know. But the street dudes, it's like, look, man,

657
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: I don't need this, like I don't need this Harvard

658
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: grad like pretty ass like rich nigga to tell me

659
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 2: what it's like. You was never out you weren't out here,

660
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: you weren't in the trenches. You know what I'm saying,

661
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: Like you're a millionaire, I don't like you. You barely

662
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: want to oh because you can hoop, Oh because you

663
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: like basketball. You one of us, you know what I'm saying.

664
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 2: So I just think that that like you've already got yours,

665
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: so let me get mine. Is like, at the end

666
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: of the day, was so appealing to this particular demographic

667
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: and it just made sense.

668
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: So that's why they voted that way.

669
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think there's there's sort of like angles

670
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: of this too that connect with what was going on

671
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 4: with with Dasian Americans, so partially, also the religion angle

672
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 4: is a thing that isn't talked about enough and also

673
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: isn't talked about enough with Asian Americans, like particularly Chinese Americans.

674
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 5: There's a whole bunch of how do I explain this

675
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 5: in a way that.

676
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: You know, the sort of like zeal of a convert shit,

677
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 4: where like the first generation converts are the most nuts. Yeah,

678
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: so that's like a huge portion of like Chinese Christians

679
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 4: or these like first generation evangelical converts, and so you

680
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 4: get these just like really terrifying, like ferociously right wing

681
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: stuff that there's just kind of like just kind of

682
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: eats everything around it. And I think the second part is,

683
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting distinction here too, because I

684
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: think there's like a kind of differing parts of the

685
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: storysness of the kind of like we came here to

686
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 4: work thing, because that was the Asian American thing from

687
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 4: maybe twenty years ago, and the last ten years and

688
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 4: especially post twenty twenty has been people realizing that it's

689
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 4: not real, yeah, and that you know, you work, you work,

690
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: you work, you work, and this is this is actually

691
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: also funny enough, exact same thing happening in China, with

692
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: sort of different political results because it's less it's you know,

693
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 4: we're not dealing with ye, like the same kind of

694
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 4: sort of immigrant culture stuff. But the Chinese American version

695
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: of this was like, Okay, we need to figure out

696
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: who to blame for this, and they were like, well, yeah, okay,

697
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 4: it's because of like all of this crime shit, because

698
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 4: like people are going to prison for one million years,

699
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 4: and like I see a black person and there's like

700
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 4: a homeless person who I have to like walk past

701
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 4: every day. This is the reason why like our fucking

702
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: dream died and that was a really sort of appealing

703
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 4: message people. And it's the same kind of thing with

704
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 4: the people who went for the affirmative action stuff, where

705
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 4: it was like the people who you know are like

706
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 4: in all seriousness, like we're running into kind of like

707
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 4: oh no, there actually is a sort of wall that

708
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: you hit, yeah, where it doesn't matter how hard you work,

709
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 4: like there's only so many spots at the university. There's

710
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 4: only so many totally, you know, there's only so much

711
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 4: so far you can go. And hitting that wall drove

712
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 4: a bunch of people, right.

713
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: You make a good point, you know, And and I'm

714
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: I imagine the same sort of reaction to that within

715
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 2: the Chinese communit He's gonna be the same with ours,

716
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: where it's like, okay, you gont learn that you are

717
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: not welcome to that table. You know, they will always

718
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: choose themselves. And you know you could dress yourself up,

719
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: you know, and just to the degree for which you

720
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: can alter all identifying factors for us, it's like to

721
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: the degree for which you can remove your blackness is

722
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: to the degree for which you're welcomed in this table.

723
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: But at some point you can't take it off, it

724
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: all rub off, you know, dress your kids up. You know,

725
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: that was like for us with respectability politics, like teach

726
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: your kids just speak proper English and dress them up

727
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: and don't let them wear hoodies. Okay, good luck, you know,

728
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: like Jay Z's seminal work. Look, OJ said, I'm not black,

729
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm OJ Okay, Like you know, it's just yeah, they

730
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 2: will never accept you. The world you're trying to get

731
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: into will never accept you. And this step towards trying

732
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: to be accepted by this world is working against you

733
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: and everyone else behind you.

734
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: You know. But this is America. You can vote whatever

735
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: you want to vote well.

736
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 4: And I think twenty twenty, like for us, was that

737
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 4: moment right where like, you know, everyone kind of got

738
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 4: knocked out of the you know, whichever way you sort

739
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 4: of fragmented politically, it is like that's when we got

740
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 4: knocked out of the sort of obamam multiracial dream. Was

741
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 4: when you realize that, like all of this fucking progress

742
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: you made isn't going to stop people from killing you

743
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 4: in the street. Yes, And the reaction to that was like,

744
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 4: and I saw this on the left where like a

745
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 4: bunch of people basically splintered off and became like hardline

746
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,959
Speaker 4: Chinese nationalists because they were afraid and they were like, Okay, well,

747
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 4: you know, here's this thing that we have, this like

748
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 4: strong state that will protect us, and we just have

749
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 4: to fight for it. Here it's like, well that didn't work, right,

750
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: you know. And then you have a lot of other

751
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 4: people who started to recognize that this wasn't going to

752
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: happen right, that like the thing that they had bought

753
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: into was a lie. But the part of it that

754
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: they believed, they were just like, well, okay, if we

755
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 4: can just like fucking get the black people out of

756
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: here and like we can get the cops in, yeah,

757
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: you know, we can go back to living in our

758
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: fucking fantasy world.

759
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

760
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: And that's been just the sort of dominant response to it.

761
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 4: And I don't know, it's bleak, but it's it's not

762
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: something that can't be overcome, but it's gonna require, like,

763
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 4: it's going to require organizing, and it's going to require

764
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: the left to not be about fucking making white people

765
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 4: feel more anti imperialist, which has been what fucking politics

766
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: ortation Americans has been. And until that shake at Sheddison's

767
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 4: like you're gonna keep seeing this shit accelerate.

768
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, has there been any if the right term

769
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: is like vision casting among this community, because like I

770
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: say that to say, albeit a very small, very small

771
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: fraction of voices, but among some of the black thinkers,

772
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: is like a serious consideration of pursuing like creating a

773
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: third party of just like like but let's like take

774
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: it serious this time, like for real, for real. Yeah,

775
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: you know, like there's you know, it's like I said,

776
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: it's very small and like obviously, like my grandchildren will

777
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: probably be the ones to see any sort of beginnings

778
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: of that actually taking route. But it's still like, you know,

779
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: people are some of the things that are being talked

780
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: about right now, Like we just did like really like

781
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: really consider it.

782
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: Is there anything like that going on?

783
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 5: No, like, and this is this Alcio.

784
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 4: Part of the problem is that like the Asian American

785
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 4: intellectual class is like one of the most bankrupt classes

786
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 4: in the entire country. There's nothing, it's a wasteland out there.

787
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: Like it's oh my god, yeah, like it's it's so bad.

788
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 4: It's it's like all of the art and the media,

789
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 4: the culture and the sort of analysis is all I've

790
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 4: talked about in this show a decent amount, but it's

791
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 4: all wrapped up in this sort of like oh, you

792
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,479
Speaker 4: two can like integrate and become a small business owner.

793
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: And those people, you know, the people who believe that

794
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: and people who did that don't actually have any interesting ideas.

795
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 5: Yeah they have.

796
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 4: They have the incredibly narrow ideas of their class and

797
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: the incredible narrow idea, incredibly narrow ideas that their class

798
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 4: are completely useless for the sort.

799
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 5: Of task we have ahead of us.

800
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's kind of working for them.

801
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's working for them. It's just said,

802
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 5: it isn't working for anyone else exactly.

803
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like god, like I don't know, like the

804
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 4: people who are supposed to be like Wesley Yang, who

805
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 4: was supposed to be like the great sort of like

806
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 4: new Asian intellectual is now this just completely cooked, right,

807
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 4: Winger Like some of some of the people have been

808
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 4: like turning on some of the like the big podcasters

809
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 4: have been like turning on trans people, and I'm just like, well,

810
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: fuck all you guys eat shit basically, So yeah, it's

811
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: it's the situation's bad. It's also the fragmentation is so

812
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 4: powerful because you're dealing with so many kinds of like

813
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 4: linguistic lions and lines between people who've been here for

814
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 4: ten generations and people who just like walk off the

815
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 4: boat yesterday. There's you know, and so the fragmentation I

816
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 4: think helps prevent a more coherent sphere.

817
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 5: But like it's it's bleak out there.

818
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, obviously, like the Black queer community

819
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: is obviously incredibly vibrant and strong and organized, and you know,

820
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: at least from the part of the intersection that I'm

821
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: a part of, you know, the voice coming out of

822
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: that that space of like a lot of times of

823
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: like very much prophetic and like, you know, very much

824
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: like truth telling that you hear from. Again, like you know,

825
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 2: black queer community is like from our perspective, they continue

826
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: to be like five steps ahead of us, yeah, you

827
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: know of like where we need to go as as

828
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 2: a as a people.

829
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was like the sex worker Orgs for us.

830
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: But then because this is another thing with Left just

831
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: kind of hit the bed right, Like this is a

832
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: thing with Bernie where Bernie voted for SIS to foster, right,

833
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 4: and there's never been a reckoning about that at all. Yeah,

834
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 4: And so you know, like the stuff that could have

835
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 4: come out of that just kind of never did and

836
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 4: we never got the kind of integration and the kind

837
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 4: of politics that we could have had if people had

838
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 4: been like five percent, well not five so they would

839
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 4: would require.

840
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 5: Them to move their positions a bit.

841
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 4: But like people had actually cared about sex workers, we

842
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 4: wouldn't be here right now.

843
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: But you told a different story. Yeah, yeah, well that

844
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 3: was informative. This has been.

845
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know how do I how do we

846
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: describe what this has been? Well?

847
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: Miya, you know I think I close to this right,

848
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 4: Like this situation isn't hopeless. Yeah, right, there's there's been

849
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 4: a lot of good, tenanted organizing going on, Like there's

850
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 4: a lot of kinds of stuff that can and do work.

851
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: It's knows to the grindstone time, right, it is time

852
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 4: to lock in, time to organize, and these communities can

853
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 4: be organized.

854
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, we just haven't yet.

855
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: And you know, yeah, to your point, like for me,

856
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 2: like all information is helpful, like like if somebody's lying

857
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: to you, like it's it's good information to know that

858
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: this person thinks that that's something worth lying about.

859
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 3: You know, like you just you.

860
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: Just told me something about yourself that the fact that

861
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: you think that that's worth lying about. So I say

862
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: all that to say this understanding a better understanding of

863
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 2: like it's hard to reason reason with somebody when they're hungry,

864
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, so just a better understanding of what are

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Speaker 2: these communities actually prioritize, what do they actually value? And obviously,

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Speaker 2: like you know, the dims and unfortunately even the left

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Speaker 2: was just like just swinging a miss. Guys, Like this

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Speaker 2: type of thing, like you said, is not hopeless. It's like,

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Speaker 2: now there's an understanding of like, okay, so you value

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Speaker 2: the hustle. All right, well let me tell you in

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Speaker 2: the ways for which the choice you just made is

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Speaker 2: working against your hustle, you know, like or now now here,

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Speaker 2: here are ways for which you can like you said

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Speaker 2: no to the grind and accomplish these goals in a

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Speaker 2: way that's not so detrimental to the people around you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm with it. Like I'm not hopeless either.

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Speaker 2: I think that we just need to think about the word,

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Speaker 2: our word choice and what hills we willing to die

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Speaker 2: on and be like this is what we met when

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Speaker 2: we said this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it could happen.

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