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Speaker 1: The Giants fall to the Green Bay Packers twenty seven

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Speaker 1: to twenty. John Schmelk, Tiki Barber Bob Popula remains with

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Speaker 1: us right here on Giants extra point.

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Speaker 2: Tiki. Let's begin at the end.

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Speaker 1: The Giants drove the ball down on a third down

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Speaker 1: inside the twenty yard line, had a chance to try

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Speaker 1: to get the ball into the end zone to tie

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Speaker 1: the game. Late Jameis Winston, after having four or five

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Speaker 1: depending on how you won accountum interceptions dropped throughout the course

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Speaker 1: of the game, throws it to the left corner of

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Speaker 1: the end zone, intended for Jalen Hyatt, turned into a pick.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hyatt looks like he cut his route off. What

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Speaker 3: Well, just overall, they're My overarching take from this game

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Speaker 3: is that the Giants can play with almost any team.

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Speaker 3: They're just not good enough at the important positions to

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Speaker 3: win the games against any team, including defensive back. If

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Speaker 3: we saw at Cordell flot not being able to make

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Speaker 3: route that is going to get thrown. So on that play,

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Speaker 3: Jamis Winston has a corner and a inbreaker, a corner

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Speaker 3: on time no matter the coverage. So if it's Cover

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Speaker 3: wide open into the corner. If it's Cover three or

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Speaker 3: like an out route, a deep out route, but the

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Speaker 3: ball is coming to him. Jalen Hyatt doesn't play football

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Speaker 3: like a wide receiver who wants to get the football

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Speaker 3: and it's lack of urgency, which is going to ultimately

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Speaker 3: ruin his career. I mean, he's already a bust for

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Speaker 3: the New York Giants. But you can't not run that route,

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Speaker 3: the route the ball is going to come out. Jamis

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Speaker 3: one thing we know about Jamis is that he's going

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Speaker 3: it's supposed to be. And the reason that looks so

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Speaker 3: bad is because Jalen Hyatt wasn't where he was supposed

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Speaker 3: to be. Jameis Winston thought he would be there, and look,

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Speaker 3: if it's defended, it's defended. But you can't quit on

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Speaker 3: a play. The ball is going to come there. You

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Speaker 3: not coming to you. And that's what happened. Jalen Hyatt

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Speaker 3: is running that corner route. He sees the state of

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Speaker 3: receivers don't do that. A good wide receiver thinks the

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Speaker 3: ball is coming to me. Every time he didn't do that,

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Speaker 3: and it result in an interception. It ultimately ended the game. Look,

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Speaker 3: they didn't play good enough to win this game. They

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Speaker 3: were stupid in so many different ways. They played not

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Speaker 3: smart football. We thought somehow that the firing of Dabe

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Speaker 2: It kind of played exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: It felt exactly the same, And that's frustrating in a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, about the second place, I was gonna go new coach,

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Speaker 1: same exact ball game. I mean, Mike Kafka is gonna

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we keep talking about the talent on the

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Speaker 4: Burns leads the NFL in sacks. Where's Dexter Lawrence. I

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Speaker 4: know Thibodeau's not playing. And yes, they made Jordan Love uncomfortable,

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Speaker 2: Held them both four seconds back there?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just so happy that the Giants and

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Speaker 4: the Sims family and Lawrence Taylor didn't give the number, right.

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Speaker 1: It's got to happen on the field first. And where's

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Speaker 3: The problem for me, Bob, and I've said this so

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Speaker 3: You create this expectation in your mind, first round player,

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Speaker 2: But he was a dog, lived up.

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Speaker 3: To Saquan, lived up to the bill absolutely. Sometimes it works,

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Speaker 4: Your entire rush discipline is shot because Love scrambled out

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the Packers ran plays to that edge.

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Speaker 3: There's a book on Abdul Carter in his young career,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why they didn't want to play you guys

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Speaker 2: Bad memories, but it's true.

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Speaker 8: Makes the shot guns stop back to throw Bobs one

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Speaker 6: Over the defender.

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Speaker 9: They had him double cover too.

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Speaker 8: Watson second touchdown catch for the ball game, and the

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Speaker 2: And they would kick the extra point to go up twenty.

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Speaker 1: Seve or make the two point conversion part of me

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Speaker 1: final score. Packers beat the Giants. I want to Connor

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Speaker 1: to play that coming out of the break, guys, because

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Speaker 1: to blame the defensive coordinator. I think that's gonna solve

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Speaker 1: your problems. But third and ten, you rush five. Nobody wins.

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Speaker 1: Flott has coverage. He can't make a play on a

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Speaker 1: it looks like players are in position to make plays.

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Speaker 1: They're just not unable to know.

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Speaker 4: You're asking black a sixth round pick who you cut

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Speaker 2: Damn it, Chaine Bowen. What's wrong with you? You stink

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Speaker 2: you call the wrong thing. Other than not getting home,

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Speaker 6: The right play call, and then they miss timed his

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Speaker 2: He's out physical.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if he can't make plays on the ball

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Speaker 3: So what I'm alluding to is that simply the secondary

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Speaker 2: You're in position you got to make a play on

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Speaker 4: That's that's where the root of your entire problem is,

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Speaker 2: Do you do?

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Speaker 9: You do?

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Speaker 2: You want to compete?

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Speaker 4: And I think that's what is carlso upset is you're

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Speaker 4: You're playing with Tyrone Tracy and an older singletary, You're

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Speaker 6: Where's the fight?

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Speaker 4: How do you let a guy just run through you

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Speaker 2: Right, we're playing football at the ball whatever, we're playing football.

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Speaker 3: It's a context, right, And it looks like Deontay Banks

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna win, especially when you're in a place

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Speaker 1: We should have Mike Kafka on the podium. In a

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Speaker 8: Second and goal inside the wall, Winston over center, keeps

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Speaker 1: That Jamis Winston touchdown capped a fifteen play, eighty five

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Speaker 1: Katka's first postgame press conference. John Schmelt, Bob Papa, Tiki

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Speaker 1: Barber with you and Tiki. Another game that the Giants

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Speaker 1: there I think there were some. I thought this was

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Speaker 3: So a heck of a job by Tyrone Tracy. But

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Speaker 3: we were just alluding to this, or Bob was talking

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Speaker 2: Like, Cafe is aready downstairs? Take exactly. So they did well,

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Speaker 10: Now you see on the interception down there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I'm gonna go back and look at

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Speaker 11: It looked like jailing. He has kind of stopped his

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I hadn't a chance because we were just kind

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Speaker 11: I mean, this seems to be a theme this year.

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Speaker 5: Our defense is batting to playing their butts off and

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Speaker 5: I really like how we approach it today. Aggressive mentality

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Speaker 3: Is that as a way, did you talk to Shane

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Speaker 5: It's something I talked to the whole team about to

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Speaker 9: Us over the hump.

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Speaker 10: In the way that you you call the game today,

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Speaker 5: It's something we talked about special teams, defense, offense, just

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Speaker 5: I thought our guys went out there, just came up

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Speaker 11: You were obviously aggressive too with the fourth down plays.

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Speaker 12: Why is being aggressive going to get you open them off?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we want to be regardless. We want to be aggressive.

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Speaker 11: Why didn't that do play on the opening grave?

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Speaker 5: So we'll just keep the rest of that in house.

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Speaker 5: It will keep the rest of that in house. Just

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Speaker 5: this was a coach's decision for me, and talk to

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Speaker 7: Were a number of cases where you had a pile

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Speaker 11: What did that say about effort beyond the execution?

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Speaker 5: It's what we're about. It's you know, finishing longer than

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Speaker 11: What are you trying to set an example there with

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Speaker 13: And you know, obviously said coach's decision there with not

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Speaker 11: He played every other stamp the rest of the game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he played his butt off, He tailed, he he

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Speaker 5: And that, in fact, the.

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Speaker 6: That is the rest of you whatever he was that

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Speaker 14: What kind of adjustments did you have to make now

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Speaker 15: You say that again, what kind of adjustments there you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're you're just you're talking a little bit more

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Speaker 1: What was your message to the defense before they went

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go get it attack, be aggressive, and let's

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Speaker 5: go get the ball back. Did you think I thought

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Speaker 5: they played I thought they played really aggressive. I really did,

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Speaker 5: And you know that will make some more plays. We'll

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Speaker 5: continue to work at it. But I like the style

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Speaker 10: What was it like for you today overall?

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Speaker 16: Just in general?

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Speaker 10: How unusual or comfortable were you?

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Speaker 5: You know, I haven't had a chance to really go

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Speaker 5: But you know, look at some of the things that

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Speaker 10: Go for two and you scored on that last drave Yes, Like.

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Speaker 13: Was there ever a point today where you for the game,

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Speaker 13: you looked around and you said to yourself, I'm a

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Speaker 13: head coach of the National Football.

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Speaker 12: League for the first time, just emotionally, When did that

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Speaker 12: feel like to you?

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Speaker 5: No, my focus was on the game. My focus is

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Speaker 5: on the players, putting them in the best positions, and

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Speaker 5: again just just thinking through you know, how we were

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Speaker 5: going to play the game again, talking about some of

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Speaker 5: the weather stuff, some of the substitution stuff. So that's

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Speaker 5: really all My focus is just on the game.

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Speaker 2: Is there a way to get your team to make

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Speaker 2: game winning plays?

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Speaker 11: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 10: I mean, like on defense, Love has a lot of time, then.

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Speaker 3: Burns gets late pressure, the bull just floats up there

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Speaker 3: and Cortel Flatt is there and he doesn't make a play.

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Speaker 12: You know, if he makes a play, maybe win the game.

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Speaker 1: So is there a way, you know, repeatedly to tap

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Speaker 1: see if your team could make those plays instead or not.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, we're gonna We're gonna keep on stressing it. We're

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Speaker 5: gonna keep on working our tail off from practice and

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Speaker 5: keep on putting our guys in those situations because I

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Speaker 5: believe in them, and I think we get more and

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Speaker 5: more opportunities at those plays. We're gonna make.

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Speaker 13: Him Jackson was here today, was on the field before

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Speaker 13: the games, and your expectation that he clears before next

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Speaker 13: week's game against the lines.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to get too far ahead on that.

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Speaker 5: I know he's still in the protocol, so we'll just

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Speaker 5: kind of play it as as the protocol goes with The.

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Speaker 10: Doctors say he's here.

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Speaker 11: So I imagine if we.

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Speaker 5: Had we had our whole practice squad here, we had

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Speaker 5: anybody that was up on the on the sideline to

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Speaker 5: help create some energy, create just be a great sounding

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Speaker 5: board for our team. We're all in this thing together,

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Speaker 5: so those guys are a part of the group, and

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Speaker 5: so they'll all be here for home games as long

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Speaker 5: as we can, because those guys are a critical part

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Speaker 5: of the team.

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Speaker 12: He said, you like Todder aggressive Jane as well as

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Speaker 12: but overall, how would you?

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's any much else saw it. Add

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Speaker 5: on Jameis, I just gotta watch the tape. But I

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Speaker 5: love where his mindset was the entire game. He was

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Speaker 5: very positive. I thought he was completing a lot of football's.

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Speaker 5: I thought when he had opportunities outfield, he took him right.

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Speaker 5: And that's just kind of my snapshot view. But I

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Speaker 5: like where James was at. At no point was he

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Speaker 5: was there any kind of indecision. He was very decisive

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Speaker 5: and played and managed the game and got us in

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Speaker 5: and out of good looks, got in this out out

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Speaker 5: of out of plays on the line of scrimmage, handled

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Speaker 5: that tempo very well. So I'm I was happy with Jamis.

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Speaker 16: Just to get back to Ian's question about who you

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Speaker 16: know taking it old?

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Speaker 11: Do you think there will be a moment when that

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Speaker 11: when that will happen when.

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Speaker 5: You I'm sure there will be, you know, not right now,

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Speaker 5: but I'm sure there will be at some time.

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Speaker 11: Nick Jones was in at a slot corner Nick Jones

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Speaker 11: was and what prompted that change?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know the defense. You know, they wanted to

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Speaker 5: make a substitution there for just to put him at Nickel.

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Speaker 9: It was, it was.

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Speaker 5: It was a good idea and I think he did

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Speaker 5: a nice shot, made a nice little play there on

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Speaker 5: third and two.

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Speaker 12: Mike, you know, you have to watch the tape. But ultimately,

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Speaker 12: what was the difference.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm going to go back again, like I said,

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Speaker 5: to watch the tape. You know, I think there's some

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Speaker 5: one on one opportunities that we could have taken advantage of.

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Speaker 5: And you know, we'll look at it, see what what

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Speaker 5: those players were, where those players were, and then see

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Speaker 5: how we can work out it fundamentally, you know, kind

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Speaker 5: of go back to, all right, how can we make

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Speaker 5: this thing better and really just be really really critical

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Speaker 5: of that as a staff, really really be critical that

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Speaker 5: as a player unit and a leadership group, and then

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Speaker 5: go get those corrections fixed.

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Speaker 10: What was it like having Isaiah Hodgens back this week?

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Speaker 5: Isaiah Man, I'm so proud of him stepping up on

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Speaker 5: a short week, short notice, coming in on a Thursday,

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Speaker 5: and being a huge part of the offense. Critical fourth downs,

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Speaker 5: critical third downs, critical blocks on the perimeter. This guy

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Speaker 5: just stepped I'm super proud of them and happy we

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Speaker 5: have them.

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Speaker 17: What a much you're running game today that you look

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Speaker 17: like it was, you know, everything was pushing forward little.

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Speaker 10: It was a pretty good defense you're playing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the run game went. I'll look at We'll look

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Speaker 5: at the tape again and evaluate, you know what what

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Speaker 5: we did well, what we didn't do well. But they

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Speaker 5: they came downhill. We ad just kind of early from

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Speaker 5: some of the outside zone stuff, a little bit more

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Speaker 5: downhill stuff, and our O line, you know, accepted that

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Speaker 5: challenge with versus a really good front. I thought I

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Speaker 5: had some good production of it. I don't have the

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Speaker 5: exact number of it, but Trace and Motor ran well,

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Speaker 5: the on line ran well. And also we'll just go

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Speaker 5: back and look at and see what that what the

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Speaker 5: overall looked like.

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Speaker 11: Mike.

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Speaker 13: I know that you're happy with their aggressiveness and then

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Speaker 13: some of the adjustments on defense, But at the end

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Speaker 13: of the day, you guys lost this one of the

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Speaker 13: defense gave up a game losing touchdown drive to end

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Speaker 13: it again in the fourth quarter. Will you reevaluate or

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Speaker 13: evaluate your defensive staff and potentially changes there, either at

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Speaker 13: the coordinator or play calling.

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Speaker 5: And that's that's the beauty of football. It's a team game.

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Speaker 5: It's never about one person or one side of the ball.

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Speaker 5: Every every unit had opportunities to make plays. And so

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Speaker 5: it's a team. It's a team game, and it's the

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Speaker 5: best team game in all of sports. So we're gonna

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Speaker 5: look at it. We're gonna evaluate everything. We're gonna evaluate

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Speaker 5: all the players or evaluate all the coaches of the calls,

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Speaker 5: be hyper critical of that and then find out those

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Speaker 5: areas where we can we can be better and knock

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Speaker 5: those things out. And that's what we're gonna do this

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Speaker 5: week in practice. So it's it's it's it's all of us.

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Speaker 5: It's all of us together on it, and we're gonna

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Speaker 5: get arm in arm and go get back to work.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everyone, back Mike Aptus breck scofference was brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Hackensack and Marine Health. Keep getting better. We'll

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Speaker 1: take a time out react to it. Right after this,

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Speaker 1: the Giants fall to the Packers twenty seven to twenty.

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Speaker 7: You are listening to Giants Extra Point on the w

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Speaker 7: f A N Giants Radio network.

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Speaker 2: Jamis Winsai at the podium, let's join him downstairs.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, kaff is very poised, uh, and he played the

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Speaker 9: quarterback position, you know, and he saw great fight into

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Speaker 9: in our team. We fall hard, you know, we fall

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Speaker 9: to the end. It was unfortunate that that we finished

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Speaker 9: the way that we did.

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Speaker 18: Man.

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Speaker 9: That's why I just I really wanted to win this game,

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Speaker 9: and I'm just gonna keep keep getting better.

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Speaker 19: Man.

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Speaker 9: But kaf is a great coach. Man. He brought great

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Speaker 9: energy and it's tough that we didn't pull it out

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Speaker 9: that energy and Kafka talked about aggressive mentality name only.

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Speaker 12: Notice under his version.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, man, I think this team wants it. You know,

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Speaker 9: we're right there close in these games. Man. But when

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Speaker 9: you gotta got a leader that's that's that's optimistic that

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Speaker 9: has drive, you know, and has that player perspective. You know,

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Speaker 9: he's probably been in our situation before. So I'm just

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Speaker 9: grateful to have a head ball coach who brings that optimism,

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Speaker 9: brings the energy in leadership.

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Speaker 12: What do you think the key is to being able

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Speaker 12: to win some of these.

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Speaker 9: Close games in the pot simplicity to me finishing out

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Speaker 9: like as a team, you know, all of us collectively

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Speaker 9: can do one small thing to continue to get better,

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Speaker 9: to finish this game, you know, and I think that's

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Speaker 9: the important thing. We're right there at the end of it.

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Speaker 9: We just have to finish the game, and we will.

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Speaker 9: We will find a way to finish because it's required.

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Speaker 9: It's required to finish in this in this league.

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Speaker 12: What did you see on that last intersection with even

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Speaker 12: high what happened on that?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? I believe time and execution is so important, you

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Speaker 9: know when when you in crucial moments when defensive see

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Speaker 9: routes like you and receiver have to be elite in

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Speaker 9: time and execution. And I believe Jalen and our time

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Speaker 9: and execution could have been a lot better.

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Speaker 20: And talked about just being aggressive. He liked how you

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Speaker 20: were being aggressive. I know that's your style, but just

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Speaker 20: did you get the sense that he was encouraging you

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Speaker 20: guys to take more chances and just put it.

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Speaker 12: All out there.

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Speaker 9: You know? It started with the offensive line. Man, They

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Speaker 9: just played amazing against an amazing front. They played incredible.

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Speaker 9: And when you have an office line and that's dominating

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Speaker 9: up front and you're efficient in the run game, you

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Speaker 9: can be more aggressive. You can challenge their dbs a

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Speaker 9: little bit more. But Man, our running backs in our

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Speaker 9: offensive line really controlled this game for us. And uh

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Speaker 9: and that was the key to allow us to be

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Speaker 9: more aggressive.

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Speaker 11: Your clip of.

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Speaker 12: Singing Hamilton went viral.

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Speaker 10: Did you hear from anybody?

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Speaker 9: I didn't hear from anybody, you know. Uh. Uh. That's

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Speaker 9: the joy that I bring to the locker room, you know. Uh.

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Speaker 9: And we would have so much joy uh celebrating a victory,

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Speaker 9: you know. So, so that's what that's what we're striving for.

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Speaker 9: That's what I'm striving for. Man, I can sing Hamilton,

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Speaker 9: you know, I sing with my boys all the time,

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Speaker 9: but I would rather sing the victory song with my teammates.

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Speaker 20: Asaid obviously comes down on Thursday. You know, he's been

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Speaker 20: in this office before me.

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Speaker 12: He just comes in. He found him a lot today.

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Speaker 12: What was what made him so effective today?

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Speaker 9: I mean, heal with the work he put in, you know.

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Speaker 9: And I think when when you got a guy that

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Speaker 9: you're just like, oh my goodness, Like he got in

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Speaker 9: the day of the game and he's going out there

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Speaker 9: and playing like he just put in a lot of

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Speaker 9: work in his preparation and he was prepared for it.

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Speaker 9: So I'm grateful that he came in with the attitude

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Speaker 9: that he came in with. Obviously, our coaches had a

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Speaker 9: lot of confidence in him, and he went out there

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Speaker 9: and did a great job for us.

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Speaker 11: Jamis, what was your your your mentality? You know, first

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Speaker 11: couple months of the season, you know, waiting for your chance.

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Speaker 9: And I wasn't waiting. I was preparing, doing the same

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Speaker 9: thing every single day, staying locked in, serving as as

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Speaker 9: much as I can to my teammates. Same thing I

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Speaker 9: believe in. Uh, I believe in uh. You know, preparation

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Speaker 9: is the key, you know, precious for the unprepared. So

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Speaker 9: I just try to continue to prepare. Like I am

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Speaker 9: the starting quarterback, and I'm grateful that I had this

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Speaker 9: this moment. It's just so unfortunate that we didn't finish.

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Speaker 9: Maybe'll thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's Jamis Winston at the podiumar Player Press conferences are

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Speaker 1: of the New York Giants.

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Speaker 2: Take it you can go first, Yeah, Kafka Winston, take

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Speaker 2: your back.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'll start with Jamis because he just got off

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Speaker 3: the mic there, and you know, he talked about the

665
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Speaker 3: past that we dissected when we first started this post game,

666
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Speaker 3: and they're not going to call out their teammate. They're

667
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Speaker 3: not going to call out Mike Kafka is not going

668
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Speaker 3: to call out his player. But when he looks at this,

669
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Speaker 3: it's going to be obvious what happened. Jalen Hyde stopped

670
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Speaker 3: on the ball, stopped on the play, and he's right,

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Speaker 3: and Ben Jamis is right.

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Speaker 2: It's time on task. It's creating and.

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Speaker 3: Expressing fully what the expectation is for a pass catcher

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Speaker 3: in this offense, especially with Jamis at quarterback. Jamis is

675
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Speaker 3: going to stand in the pocket. That's why he gave

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Speaker 3: so many, so much kudos to the offensive line. He

677
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Speaker 3: never felt like he was really under pressure except for

678
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Speaker 3: the one fourth down they turned it over on downs

679
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Speaker 3: and the tight and the tight red area, and that's

680
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Speaker 3: because nobody got open so he tried to extend it

681
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Speaker 3: and there was just nowhere to go for him to escape.

682
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Speaker 3: But time on task is so important, and it takes precision,

683
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Speaker 3: it takes detail, and if the players aren't willing to

684
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Speaker 3: put in that work to know exactly what you're going

685
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Speaker 3: to do, exactly what's expected of you, bad things are

686
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Speaker 3: going to happen like that. Interception and it's frustrating obviously,

687
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Speaker 3: but Jalen Hyde hasn't played really much at all. Part

688
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Speaker 3: of that is probably because he's earned his ability is

689
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Speaker 3: his time on the bench, and Jamis Winston this is

690
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Speaker 3: his first game playing for the New York Giants. And

691
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Speaker 3: will those things get corrected? Yeah, probably, I hope. So otherwise,

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Speaker 3: what's the point of having Jalen hygd On on this roster.

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Speaker 3: He's a really good athlete, we know that, but good

694
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Speaker 3: athletes don't make great football players all the time.

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Speaker 2: You got to have a high football IQ and he

696
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Speaker 2: doesn't have that right now, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a difference between a great player in

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Speaker 4: college and not a great player in the pros. There's

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Speaker 4: a long list of dudes that were drafted high that

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Speaker 4: it doesn't translate. I mean, it's a whole different sport.

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Speaker 4: I agree that, but from the hash marks to you know,

702
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Speaker 4: but listen, a lot of guys rack up college stats

703
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Speaker 4: playing against guys who will never even be invited to

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Speaker 4: an NFL camp. Right when you get into an NFL camp,

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Speaker 4: there's only ninety of them times thirty two. Think of

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Speaker 4: all the people that play football on the collegiate level

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Speaker 4: that given year that are eligible to come out. So look,

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Speaker 4: I think we've seen you know people, why don't they

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Speaker 4: put him out there?

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Jamis did a good job of not really giving an answer. Right,

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Speaker 4: he's talking about timing in chemistry and all those other things.

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Speaker 2: Well as the quarterback. You never want to point in

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Speaker 2: your finger.

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Speaker 19: At some.

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Speaker 9: So it is what it is.

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Speaker 6: Kafka gave his press conference.

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Speaker 4: You know, I I don't think there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: Giants fans are gonna agree with him about how hard

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Speaker 4: the defense played.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think there's still.

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Speaker 3: It's one thing to play hard, it's another to play

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Speaker 3: smart and effectively. That's what's that's what's not getting said,

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Speaker 3: is that they're they're not playing smart. And this is

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Speaker 3: this is from a coordinating standpoint and an execution standpoint.

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Speaker 3: This team is built to get after the quarterback. I

727
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Speaker 3: remember in the in the preseason, it was all about

728
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Speaker 3: the front seven, the defensive pass rush, the linebacking corps.

729
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Speaker 3: Now it's been compromised a little bit because Mike McFadden's

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Speaker 3: down and Bobby okaia Kale's face that he's getting he's

731
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Speaker 3: just getting older. He's not as effective as he used

732
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Speaker 3: to be. But you have to get after the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes these players aren't put in positions to make

734
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Speaker 3: the plays that they're they want to do. Like Javon Holland,

735
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Speaker 3: for instance, in Miami, he was always around the ball.

736
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Speaker 3: He was a get after the quarterback type of safety.

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Speaker 3: Get in the box, be aggressive, bring somebody that no

738
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Speaker 3: one's expecting. You don't see blitzes from this team. And

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Speaker 3: as a result, Jordan Love on that play that we

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Speaker 3: were talking about, the thirty eight yr reception over over

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Speaker 3: a Cordel flot, he had all the time.

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Speaker 2: In the world.

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Speaker 1: They sent five guys though five sometimes not enough. Sometimes

744
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Speaker 1: five is not enough, sometimes six. But but this is

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Speaker 1: what I went on that show, This is what I

746
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Speaker 1: was talking about with with Abdul Carter. Aubdul Carter has

747
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Speaker 1: become a one trick pony. He's got to learn how

748
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Speaker 1: to evolve his pass rush game. But when you know

749
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Speaker 1: that the only blitz the Giants are going to bring

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Speaker 1: are the only pressure the Giants are going to bring

751
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Speaker 1: is putting a man over the center that forces one

752
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Speaker 1: on one, you get used to it, right, you know what,

753
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Speaker 1: you know it's coming, you know when to sink and

754
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Speaker 1: you know, not to expect games and you're just gonna

755
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Speaker 1: get a one on one rush with each of these

756
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Speaker 1: guys and if you if you win, your quarterback is

757
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Speaker 1: going to win.

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Speaker 3: And then it clearly the Packers weren't weren't weren't flustered

759
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Speaker 3: by that, they weren't flummocks, they weren't like, oh god,

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Speaker 3: what are we doing. I gotta think they just have

761
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Speaker 3: to play the game at a higher level, and they're

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Speaker 3: not doing it right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and I think it gets back to

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Speaker 4: the other point, Tike that you you touched upon at

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Speaker 4: the beginning, and it's a common refrain, you know, I

766
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Speaker 4: think it's just big spots. They're not good enough. Yeah right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, lots of good player. Banks has proven to

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Speaker 4: be so far, not very effective.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 4: Corey Black is a rookie sixth round pick. I mean,

771
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Speaker 4: how many rookie sixth round picks do you expect to

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Speaker 4: come in and have to play frontline snaps? But he

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Speaker 4: does because the guy you drafted in the first round

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Speaker 4: just you can't get through to him. Look, I mean,

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Speaker 4: people are gonna point to the scheme, people are gonna

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Speaker 4: point to some of that, but you know.

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Speaker 2: At some point.

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Speaker 4: You guys got to make plays. Yeah, and I'm not

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Speaker 4: absolving that's how you win tight games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, individuals making great plays, that's how you win tight games.

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Speaker 3: Just what in twenty twenty two, That's what happened almost

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Speaker 3: every week that they won, whether it was Xavier McKinney,

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Speaker 3: Julian Love or offensively with Sake one or Daniel Jones

784
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Speaker 3: or whoever it may have been, somebody was making a

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Speaker 3: play in the crunch time, clutch, the clutch moments of

786
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Speaker 3: the game to try to win those games.

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Speaker 2: The Giants aren't doing.

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Speaker 9: That this year.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing, I mean, you know, listen, you

790
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Speaker 4: don't you don't draw up pictures on the standings and everything.

791
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Speaker 4: But let's just go back at it realistically and look

792
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Speaker 4: at it. It just so happens by rotation of the

793
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: NFL schedule. That was a very favorable schedule that year.

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Speaker 4: And look at the quarterbacks that they beat this year.

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Speaker 4: Look at the quarterbacks that they've played. They've played Love,

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Speaker 4: who's considered one of the better quarterbacks in the National

797
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Speaker 4: Football League. They still have to play golf next week.

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Speaker 4: They played Dak Prescott, who can sling it. They played

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Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels, when he was healthy. They played Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 4: who they beat. They played against Dak Prescott, who's lightened

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Speaker 4: it up. They played against Patrick Mahomes. They're playing against

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Speaker 4: guys that have won a lot of games in their careers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you also got to realize those guys, as

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Speaker 3: a cliche goes, still put their pants on one leg

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Speaker 3: at a time.

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Speaker 1: You can make plays and make them non heroes. Alright,

807
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna Giants aren't good enough to do that yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you two stats, Ticky. One, the Giants

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Speaker 1: did blizz going to a PFF's initial.

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Speaker 2: Number, blitz is just an extra extra rusher.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting there forty five percent of the time today,

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Speaker 1: which is the fifth highest in the league so far

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Speaker 1: this week and the week's early though that could change.

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Speaker 1: But on the season, I looked up to see what

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Speaker 1: percentage of the time they're sending five man rushes of

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Speaker 1: their of their blitzes, second highest in the league. Seventy

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Speaker 1: five percent of their blitzes have been five man rush.

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Speaker 1: But John, you weren't listening to me. It's the same blitz.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, TICKI, it's not, and it's not

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Speaker 3: it's not even a blitz by all it is, it's

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Speaker 3: a it's a five man rush, it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's not a blitz. Is bringing a.

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Speaker 3: Scheme that is catching to me, catching a defense off

824
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Speaker 3: guard right, coming unblocked right.

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Speaker 4: Like last week CJ. Gardner Johnson, the Giants had no

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Speaker 4: idea he was coming on.

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Speaker 2: And my second pot was in your favor.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that backs up your point, that second one,

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Speaker 1: that it's only a five man rushing.

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Speaker 2: You're right, maybe it's not coming from.

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Speaker 1: A place that you don't expecting the it's just you

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Speaker 1: can't be predictable in the NFL, and when you when

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Speaker 1: you've gotten it's almost like they've run out of ideas

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Speaker 1: defensively on how to get pressure. To Bob's point, on

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Speaker 1: the good quarterbacks that you're playing at the at the

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Speaker 1: at first eleven weeks of the season, you have to

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Speaker 1: confuse them, you have to make them think, and it

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Speaker 1: feels like it's the basics over and over, non smart

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Speaker 1: game planning, non smart action on the field, and it

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Speaker 1: ultimately loads leads to losses.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're terrible, because this isn't a terrible

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Speaker 2: Giants team. These games are close.

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Speaker 3: All these games are one score games compared to the

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Speaker 3: last year, but still you have to go the extra step,

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Speaker 3: and they're not going the extra step. And that's what

846
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: drives you crazy when you really dig in and evaluate

847
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Speaker 3: this team, is that the extra step is necessary because

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Speaker 3: in certain places you're not good enough.

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Speaker 1: And to your point, that they've sort by times they've

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Speaker 1: blitzed a cornerback and it's all the way down to

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Speaker 1: like one percent blitz towards the bottom of the league.

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Speaker 2: So to your point, maybe you get a little more

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Speaker 2: creative where you're sending.

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00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: That extra prember Land flying in there, and Drew Phillips

855
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Speaker 1: has showed in the past that he's been a pretty

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Speaker 1: good blitzer off out of the slot too, So maybe

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Speaker 1: that's some of the stuff you can start to mix

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Speaker 1: in a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Oh god, John, we're eleven games in.

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Speaker 2: Wait, what do we wait?

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent, no question about in the argument. Giants

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Speaker 1: Football is brought to you by Verizon, the official five

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Speaker 1: reliable network. Time out, We'll come back. Continue to break

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Speaker 1: down the game right here for MetLife Stadium. Giants fall

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Speaker 1: to the Packers twenty seven to twenty.

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Speaker 6: Checking and Gold five.

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Speaker 4: Winston was shotgun sat hand off, Singletary cuts to its

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Speaker 4: light for.

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Speaker 8: The goal line touch down times Devin Singletary in a

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Speaker 8: five yard run and on the driver the game, the

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Speaker 8: Giants strike first full house backfield behind Winston.

878
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: Wentze takes to snaphand off left for Singletary into.

879
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: The end zone. Touchdown Giants.

880
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 8: They've powered it in behind Pellacher and we're one eleven

881
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 8: ago and a half. The Giants are tied it to

882
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 8: thirteen for the extra point pendict.

883
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: Two Devin Singletary touchdowns the first two scores of.

884
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: The game for Big Blue.

885
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: Those were Today's plays of the game, brought to you

886
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: by your local Ford stores for Prale. Salutes those who serve.

887
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: We're back here on Giants extra Point. Giants fall to

888
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers twenty seven to twenty. John schmulta

889
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: tiki barber, and Bob Poppa with us right here at

890
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: MetLife Stadium, and so guys, I mean, this is a

891
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: loaded question you probably would answer for me, But what's

892
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: the what do you do here? I mean, we've seen

893
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: the same script play out every week. Every week they

894
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: were minus one and turnover a you again, by the way,

895
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: same thing as you were last week.

896
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 9: You have.

897
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: Oh MIAs two.

898
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, because the last players ruled a f a

899
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 6: sack and a fumble.

900
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: Good point, Sorry about that.

901
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: So and the bottom line here is that we've gone

902
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: through the same script every week. And to Bob's point

903
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: in the previous segment, eleven we plut eleven games here,

904
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, what do we do?

905
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: It's just who this team is.

906
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: It's it's figuring out how to win games, and and

907
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: they're tight in the NFL, and it's hard to win

908
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 3: in this league, especially against the better teams upper upper tier,

909
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: even though the Packers are kind of barely in that

910
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: upper tier with how they played this year. But it's

911
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 3: hard to win games against the upper tier in this league.

912
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: And you've got to be exceptional and you need your

913
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: the guys. You count on the stars so to speak,

914
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: to make important, big plays in moments that matter, and

915
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: they're not. You're not getting enough of that, especially on

916
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: the defensive side of the ball. And we'll go back

917
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: to this offense.

918
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: Jamis is, we know who he is. He's not an

919
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: elite superstar quarterback, but he is going to.

920
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: Give you a chance because he's not afraid to make

921
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 3: the throw and he trust his guys to run the

922
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: right routes. And and and and they played a decent

923
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: game offensively, and she she couldn't make the stop when

924
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: you need it to multiple times from the defensive side

925
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 3: of the ball.

926
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Bob, the Giants actually outgained the Packers by

927
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: forty yards in this game thirty six to.

928
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: Two, had more first downs that they had they one

929
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: time of possession thirty five fifty six to twenty four

930
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: h four.

931
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 3: I mean, they had those two drives that were nine

932
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 3: minutes and one was seven minutes.

933
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: Jians seven to fourteen on third downs, Packers are seven

934
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: to eleven.

935
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: I mean the Giants out gained by forty yards in

936
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: this games. Listen, listen.

937
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 6: I know, but Jameis didn't.

938
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not blaming this on James, but Jamis

939
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 4: didn't pull the trigger on fourth and three at the

940
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 4: ten when he had Wandel Robinson quickly on the cross

941
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: he held it. That's the difference bet you're winning and losing.

942
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 4: That keeps the drive alive, right, and.

943
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: He was looking at the pressure on that even though

944
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: those guys did pick up.

945
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: A rock the politics initially, you know, I mean, no, listen,

946
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: Isaiah Hodgens dropped the ball to ten yard line on

947
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 4: that last drive.

948
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: Right before the two minute war.

949
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 6: I'm not blaming him.

950
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: I'm saying that they just don't make enough plays collectively

951
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: flat miss times his jump, he could knock the ball down,

952
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: you know, flots, maybe save the game against Philadelphia on

953
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 4: that Thursday night. You know, so he had that interception

954
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 4: against Jalen Hurts in the red zone. But they don't

955
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: make enough winning plays consistently as a group.

956
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

957
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 4: Maybe if you get Thibodeaux back by some of the

958
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 4: wrinkles that you threw in, you got an opportunity. I'm

959
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 4: worried about a debo because he was supposed to play,

960
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 4: felt discomfort in his knee scratch from the game late,

961
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 4: so that makes me think he ain't gonna be available

962
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 4: next week. Your best chance to win is with Jackson Dart.

963
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 4: But it's hard, it's just and defensively, I don't know,

964
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 4: I how are you gonna make some of these guys

965
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 4: play better?

966
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 9: I think you have.

967
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think this is where you

968
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: evolve as a defense. And it's it.

969
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: Look, we're eleven games in already, so what more can

970
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: you change? But you gotta try something different. You've got

971
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: to be more aggressive in certain spots in order to

972
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: force an opposing offense to be to execute. And when

973
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 3: you allow them to just execute on their own time frame,

974
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: there's no pressure in the quarterback's face, then it's I

975
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: won't say it's easy, because it's not. It's never an

976
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: easy sport, but for good quarterbacks, it becomes easy when

977
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 3: you're not pressured.

978
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: It feels easy from a quarterback.

979
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: Well, and it's it's also being disciplined, right, I mean,

980
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: we talked about it, John. How many times did Abdul

981
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: Carter make that move to the inside and they knew

982
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 4: it and they just ran right at it? Or he

983
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 4: makes that move to the inside and maybe in college

984
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 4: against Wisconsin he wins every single time and it's disruptive,

985
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 4: But in the NFL it doesn't.

986
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 9: Work that way.

987
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: Down to shade at the Badgers.

988
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,959
Speaker 4: Pict u CLA, how about they're a bad team Okay,

989
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 4: so U CLA, sorry, Christine, believe you. But but then

990
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 4: it compromises your rush integrity. Right, So how many times

991
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 4: do we see love just be able to bail to

992
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 4: that side because there was no one to quote unquote

993
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: set the.

994
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 6: Rudg ash right the edge rush.

995
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: So it's I don't know, it's until you as a staff,

996
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 4: and this now falls with Mike Kafka, and he holds

997
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: his defensive coaches and his coordinator count if you guys

998
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: are gonna keep making these same mistakes, well, then I

999
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 4: have to make more changes. I mean, and I'm not

1000
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: saying he's got to get rid of people.

1001
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1002
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: The challenge for me because everybody called our show this

1003
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: week and was complaining mostly about Chaine Bowen. If Dave's

1004
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: has gone, whis and Chaine Bowen gone, And my point

1005
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: was to them was who you're replacing him with, who's

1006
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: taking over the defensive play calling, and who's going to

1007
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: do it differently or or more aggressive? He talked about

1008
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: being aggressive Kafka did regarding the offense. I think he

1009
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 3: also needs to put an emphasis on making the defense

1010
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: more aggressive.

1011
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: He said that in the presser. He did, but we

1012
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: didn't see it. You know what't we haven't seen this

1013
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: defense be extra aggressive.

1014
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 11: You know.

1015
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 3: One of the things when you look at say Vance

1016
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: Joseph Out in Denver, or he's aggressed historically at Brian

1017
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: Floores in Minnesota. I think back to the days in

1018
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: Philadelphia with that defense. It was so aggressive. They'd get

1019
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 3: up the one of scrimmins and I'd be like, who

1020
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 3: the hell are we supposed to block here? Jim Johnson's

1021
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: Jim Johnson. Absolutely, you didn't know who was coming. You

1022
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: didn't know. It flummels you. You're you're at the point

1023
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 3: of attack, you know, the balls getting ready to snap,

1024
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: and you're confused. You're not confused when you see what

1025
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: the Giants bring for you defensively and then at the

1026
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: same time they're also not making the plays.

1027
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a fair point.

1028
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: I think that speaks to what a lot of the

1029
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 4: you know, fans out there they've kind of said it

1030
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 4: just it seems very vanilla.

1031
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 6: And again, I was talking with.

1032
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: A successful head coach and defensive coordinator last week in

1033
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 4: Chicago who's retired now, and he I asked him what

1034
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: he thought, what do you see with the Giants defense?

1035
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 4: He goes well, I see a whole bunch of talent

1036
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 4: up front. I see some talented players. He goes, it's

1037
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: kind of basic. It's they don't do a whole lot

1038
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 4: that would say exotic. And I think when you're going

1039
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 4: against Love and Mahomes and Dak Prescott and Justin Herbert

1040
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 4: and run through the list of quarterbacks and coordinators that

1041
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: you're going against, they see that, and it's on film

1042
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 4: for ten, now eleven weeks. They're gonna have a pretty

1043
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 4: good play going into the game, and I'm not. And listen,

1044
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 4: maybe part of the reason why it's not uber creative

1045
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 4: is because they have no faith right in anybody if they.

1046
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 6: I mean, look at the touchdown run that they had

1047
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 6: right up the middle. I mean that was just pure

1048
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 6: man on man.

1049
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 4: We're gonna run it in from eleven yards out right

1050
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: up the middle of your defense, and the guy almost

1051
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: went in one.

1052
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: And when you can't stop the run, it's hard to

1053
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: be super exotic and creative when you know the other

1054
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: team in third and.

1055
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: A long a lot right correct.

1056
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 4: And remember Jacobs was what was the average in six

1057
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: yards of six points six yards of carry when he

1058
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 4: hurt his knee and then it can't come back in

1059
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 4: the game. Yeah, I mean, I mean, good luck Jamiir

1060
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: Gibson David Montgomery.

1061
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 3: Next week and their passing game, that run game is dominant,

1062
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 3: and we know it's coming. We know it's coming next week.

1063
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 4: And the problem is that Giants don't have enough weapons

1064
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: on the offensive side of the ball to get into

1065
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 4: a shootout and say, Okay, we're gonna play one of

1066
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: these Arena Football League games. It's gonna be forty five,

1067
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 4: forty two and hopefully we have the ball last. Because

1068
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 4: you're you have just you have right now. You have

1069
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 4: a lot of try hard guys at your receiver position,

1070
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 4: but you don't have anybody that's gonna really scare you. Obviously,

1071
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 4: losing neighbors is huge, but behind that, you know, it's just.

1072
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 6: Guys that play solid and play hard, right.

1073
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: But I do give Kafka credit for creating a mentality

1074
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 3: that we are going to be aggressive. I mean, how

1075
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: many fourth downs did they go for in this game?

1076
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: And you didn't You weren't even questioning it. I know

1077
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: you have listened to the broadcast. You knew they were

1078
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 3: going forward on fourth down, and they were running the

1079
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: ball on third and short sometimes because if they don't

1080
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 3: get it, they're gonna they're going forward on fourth down.

1081
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 3: And that's a mentality that needs to permeate this team

1082
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: because you're you're almost good enough, not quite good enough,

1083
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: So now you have to scheme success.

1084
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we have aut dual quarter. He spoke after

1085
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: the game downstairs. There were some questions as to why

1086
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: he didn't play in that first drive. I'm sure he's

1087
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: gonna be asked about that. Let's see what aubdual quarter

1088
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: I have to say after the game.

1089
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 9: That was a consequence.

1090
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 11: I've lived with it.

1091
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 9: Keep playing.

1092
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 14: When you look at the fourth order, it's not the

1093
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 14: same situation with that a big lead, you guys get away,

1094
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 14: but at one point lead then it gets away again.

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Speaker 9: What's the uh?

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Speaker 11: What's that much like there?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, we got to make that big play. That's the

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Speaker 14: point in the game where our best players gotta step up.

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Speaker 14: I gotta step up and make that big play, and

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Speaker 14: we didn't today.

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Speaker 11: What's happening up front of you?

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Speaker 17: Guys are not able to consistently get the pressure in.

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Speaker 12: Some of the sacks.

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Speaker 17: To me, why what do you think from your perspective

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Speaker 17: is happening? You guys aren't able to get home.

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Speaker 14: I mean, I couldn't tell you exactly my lot from

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Speaker 14: Childers what I do, and I know that I know

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Speaker 14: situation that I gotta make that play so a.

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Speaker 22: Though I know you're on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 22: but any kind of different vibe at all the sideline

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Speaker 22: now that you have a new head coach, actually get on.

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Speaker 12: Running the bench.

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Speaker 11: We're trying not to focus on that too much.

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Speaker 10: I feel like, you know, Catholic came in is doing

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Speaker 10: a good job.

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Speaker 16: At least had to focus on the game I had.

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Speaker 17: It seems like you guys were able to start getting

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Speaker 17: a little bit of pressure and the end of the

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Speaker 17: first half and you dexta a couple of quarterback hits.

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Speaker 17: You know, Burns got a sacked. You talk about maybe

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Speaker 17: just you know what you guys are trying to do

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Speaker 17: like and a half to kind of get your pressure

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Speaker 17: a little bit.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, we got to finish the game like that the

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Speaker 14: same way we got pressure, we got sacks at the

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Speaker 14: end of the half.

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Speaker 11: We got to do that at the end of the game.

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Speaker 10: We didn't today.

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Speaker 2: We missed the very beginning of that.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, abdulccarter was asked about why he sat for that

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Speaker 1: first drive.

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Speaker 2: He said it was a mistake he made during the week.

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Speaker 1: He would not get further into it, but he understands

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Speaker 1: that his decisions half consequence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And look, he's taken accountability, at least rhetorically, and

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Speaker 3: so you give him, you give him credit for being

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Speaker 3: a stand up guy. But at the same time, as

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Speaker 3: a rookie, you're learning how to be a pro. And

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Speaker 3: it's it's everything. It's not just what you do on

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00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: game day. It's how you prepare. It's the example that

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Speaker 3: you set for everybody else that's counting on you on

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Speaker 3: every game day. And I'm glad he took responsibility for that,

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Speaker 3: even if we don't know the exact details of what

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Speaker 3: went on.

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Speaker 2: Absolute right, let's take a time out. We'll come back.

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Speaker 1: Packers twenty seven to twenty Dexter Lawrence spoke after the game,

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Speaker 1: let's listen, it.

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Speaker 16: Just not making the plays that that comes to us.

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Speaker 18: We just gotta make those texts with Mike Kaftan, like

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Speaker 18: on the sideline when you're around there, what did.

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Speaker 10: You say from his old leaderships.

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Speaker 16: Encouraging, you know, challenging leaders to you know, go make

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Speaker 16: the play that needs to be made.

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Speaker 11: And I think that's the biggest thing.

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Speaker 16: We just gotta make those plays that you know that

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Speaker 16: that's that that's our place.

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Speaker 18: You obviously made a statement by sitting that door for

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Speaker 18: the first drive did the players have to say anything

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Speaker 18: of anything to him?

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Speaker 17: No, can you appreciate that an inter rem coach, but

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Speaker 17: that you know, uh, show that level of accountability.

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Speaker 10: Sitting one of his best players for the for the

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Speaker 10: first draft.

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Speaker 16: I mean, that's that's just how it goes sometimes, man,

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Speaker 16: Like I don't think it's who the coach is or

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Speaker 16: who the coach is, and that's.

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Speaker 13: Just did you did you as a captain build I

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Speaker 13: need to say anything or anything like that too.

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Speaker 10: About that sitting the first series. It seems like I

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Speaker 10: might have been disciplinarian.

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Speaker 16: Just just go make the plays that come to you, man,

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Speaker 16: and be the start that you are.

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Speaker 2: That's it, dicky reaction. I mean, what else can you say?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's gonna get coached up from

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00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: some of the he needs to get coached up from

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Speaker 3: some of the vets. And I'll keep going back to this.

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Speaker 3: You just you just don't fully know as a rookie

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00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: what you what it's expected of you. And h this

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Speaker 3: isn't college where you kind of just show up and

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Speaker 3: go be a baller and be better than everybody else.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's a it's a pro.

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Speaker 3: Game, it's a it's a professional east Or guys, this

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00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: is their living and if you're not good enough at

1203
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: it and you're not supporting your team enough, then people

1204
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: fail and that cost people their jobs. And I don't

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Speaker 3: know if enough of these guys realize that in real time,

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00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: but it's ultimately the consequence, because this game will kick

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Speaker 3: you out really quickly if you're not doing the right things.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that's gonna be the case without

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Speaker 3: dul Carter. I think he's a hell of a player.

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Speaker 3: I think he's got a ton of potential, but as

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Speaker 3: we all know, potential is a dirty word when it's

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Speaker 3: not realized.

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Speaker 2: And h he's got He'll learn.

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Speaker 9: That for sure.

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Speaker 1: Bob, give me your final thoughts here either on this game.

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Speaker 1: We're looking ahead to Detroit in Detroit next week. Two

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Speaker 1: can second road games coming up with the Giants at

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Speaker 1: Detroit next week, then Monday Night in New England the

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Speaker 1: week after that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to say here.

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Speaker 2: The run.

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Speaker 4: Stopping the run is a big issue for this football team.

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00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: It's not getting any better. I did like the fact

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Speaker 4: that they started with a four man front on that

1225
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 4: first drive right to try to make sure that they

1226
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Speaker 4: couldn't get the run game going, but they.

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Speaker 9: Were able to.

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Speaker 4: We just keep talking about guys having to play better

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Speaker 4: and we got to clean it up. And your dexter

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Speaker 4: Laurence say, you know, we got to just make the

1231
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Speaker 4: plays when they come to us. But then not making

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Speaker 4: the plays, did not making the plays? You know to

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Speaker 4: me that flot play. Uh, look, he's had a nice year,

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00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 4: but like you gotta knock that ball down, right, you

1235
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Speaker 4: have to find a way to break up that pass.

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Speaker 2: You know, you always say rookies, they don't know Steven Williams,

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Speaker 2: you know what he is. Yeah, he's a rookie.

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Speaker 3: He's a rookie, right, Yeah, But it becomes a team

1239
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: and a culture around the team, and you see that

1240
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Speaker 3: with this this Packer squads. Why mich Lafleur is such

1241
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: a good coach because you feel the expectation. Guys are

1242
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Speaker 3: expecting it. And Romeo Dobbs, one of their better wide receivers,

1243
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: had a rough day to day. I mean at least

1244
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Speaker 3: three drops, maybe maybe more than he had, but everybody

1245
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: around them picked picked him up because they did make

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Speaker 3: those plays in critical moments.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Christian Watson, I mean it's a contested

1248
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 4: ball in the end zone. Deontay Banks is right there,

1249
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 4: the ball is in his hands. He never even is

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Speaker 4: able to bring it to his body.

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Speaker 9: He goes to the.

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Speaker 6: Ground holding it like a sandwich.

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Speaker 4: You, as a player in the NFL, as a first

1254
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 4: round pick, as a starting player in the NFL, need

1255
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Speaker 4: to be able to rip that ball out of his

1256
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Speaker 4: hands before he ever even gets it to his body

1257
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Speaker 4: and goes to the ground. You know, Watson makes to play.

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00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: The Giants didn't make the play. And then in the

1259
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 4: end zone, he didn't almost just catch it when he

1260
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 4: hit the ground, he secured it for the go ahead

1261
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Speaker 4: touchdown in the game, and they they don't have enough

1262
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 4: players that make winning plays, unfortunately. And again on the

1263
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Speaker 4: offensive side of the ball, I feel like they try hard.

1264
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 4: I think they try on defense, but the Tiki's point,

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00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 4: they don't do anything disruptive defensively. I feel like the

1266
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 4: offense is a little engine that could. Hey, we're gonna

1267
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 4: sign Isaiah Hodgins. He's gonna play almost every snap. We

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Speaker 4: got something out of little Jordan Humphrey earlier this year.

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00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 4: Singletary is an older player, but he's trying. They're trying,

1270
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Speaker 4: They're trying they're trying. The offensive line is fighting defensively,

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Speaker 4: you know, like you know Dexter said, you know, he's

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Speaker 4: got to play like the star he is. Well, in

1273
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 4: what universe is he a star? This is other than

1274
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 4: he was drafted in the first round and high. But

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Speaker 4: you are what you are in the league, not what

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00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 4: you once were in college. Because Danny Warful won a

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Speaker 4: Heisman Trophy and couldn't play quarterback in the NFL, like,

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Speaker 4: it's a whole different thing.

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Speaker 6: You've got to prove it again.

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Speaker 4: And right now they have enough guys that are just

1281
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Speaker 4: not making winning plays, especially defensively when.

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Speaker 9: They have to.

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Speaker 2: Bob was Helti next week. Hello, I appreciate you. Bob.

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Speaker 1: Please stick with us if you're listening on our local

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00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: flagship station, WFAN. But right now it's time to say

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Speaker 1: Radio network. Our next broadcast will be next Sunday, when

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Speaker 1: the Giants traveled to Detroit to take on the Lines.

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1290
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Speaker 2: there any second, nap. Thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 1: The Giants again fall to the Green Bay Packers twenty

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Speaker 1: the WFN Giants Radio Network, but we are not done

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Speaker 1: right here on WFN in New York, Tiki Barber Pauldatina

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Speaker 1: eight one zero, one to nine. We'll get more from

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Speaker 1: Paul the Tina in the locker room, more player sound that,

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Speaker 15: This is Brian Burns and you're listening to Giants football

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Speaker 15: on the fan WFAN and w Fan FM, New York.

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Speaker 2: We're back here on Giants Extra Point.

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Speaker 1: The Giants fall to the Packers twenty seven to twenty

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Speaker 1: Devin Singletary talked to the media after the game.

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Speaker 2: He had two touchdowns for the Giants today.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen into motor one of the Giants veterans on

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Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 21: Here's trying to get your thought signs from coach Mike

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Speaker 21: Kaka and how we handled the entire bench as well

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Speaker 21: as the offer us today.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, man, I think you did a great job. You uh,

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Speaker 11: you know, but we expect you that.

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Speaker 16: They expect that.

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Speaker 11: What kind of field might have been different with with

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Speaker 11: the change.

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Speaker 21: You know, it was more more even killed other than

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Speaker 21: a lot of no matter what was going on, everybody

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Speaker 21: was even killed.

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Speaker 11: No, I think that the biggest difference thing.

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Speaker 22: It look like you guys were really able to start

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Speaker 22: run against the team that doesn't get much too much

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Speaker 22: on the ground.

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Speaker 11: How proud of you guys are of that? From very

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Speaker 11: proud man.

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Speaker 21: The big guys on the front, you know what I'm saying,

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00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 21: they were They was moving guys, you know, wanta seeing.

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Speaker 21: But you know we expected that. We we knew they

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00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 21: was capable of that, and uh me and Trace all

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Speaker 21: we had to do his run. Even the receivers got

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00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 21: in on it and the tight end got in on

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Speaker 21: all the dirty work.

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Speaker 11: So that was big for us.

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Speaker 19: Today.

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Speaker 22: You get the go ahead touchdown there early in the

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Speaker 22: fourth quarter, and the game unfortunately had slipped away.

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Speaker 2: What goes through your mind in the stomach gets you

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Speaker 2: see the champion game?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, man, sick.

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Speaker 11: It's a sick feeling.

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Speaker 16: That's never a good feeling, especially when you know, I.

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Speaker 21: Mean, you know, I'm saying we had a good chance

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00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 21: that winning anything, but you know, we all, we all

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00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 21: was sick about that one.

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00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,919
Speaker 2: And then Flanner Jameis Winston, did you know obviously fourth quarter,

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Speaker 2: you guys get the lead again.

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Speaker 22: Credit to him for a guy who hadn't played all season.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, man, man, Jabel, great man. You know, he brings

1357
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 21: it every day. He's been the same guy since he

1358
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 21: walked in and did it all us. We just tried

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Speaker 21: our best to rally behinda, you know, and he gave.

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Speaker 16: Us a chance to win.

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Speaker 1: We're joined by Paul Detino, who conduct that interview with

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Speaker 1: Devin Singletary. Paul, uh, different coach, same game. Was it

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Speaker 1: the same feeling in the locker room after the game

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Speaker 1: as well? It wasn't a little bit.

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Speaker 22: Different, No, I thought it was a little bit different, John,

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Speaker 22: to be honest with you, certainly disappointments, certainly frustration. As

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Speaker 22: I talked, I got to talked about half a dozen guys,

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Speaker 22: and the theme was pretty simple.

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Speaker 2: We made a lot of plays today.

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Speaker 22: We certainly did some better things on offense, competitive once

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Speaker 22: again on defense, and then just did not make enough

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Speaker 22: plays at the end. Brian Burns in particular, you'll hear

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Speaker 22: from him later on in the show that that's the

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Speaker 22: one where he talks specifically about how they did not

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Speaker 22: win three one on one matchups during the key third

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Speaker 22: down winning Packers touchdown drive, and he said, point blank

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Speaker 22: that's it right there, that one play, we take care

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Speaker 22: of that. All we gotta do three one on ones.

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Speaker 22: One guy win one day.

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Speaker 1: Flot one, you had the touchdown, What was the what

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Speaker 1: was the third one on one he was talking about

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Speaker 1: just out of curiosity.

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Speaker 3: No, No, he's talking and talking about all on one play. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he's talking about the flat. He's talking about getting home

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Speaker 3: with whether it's.

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Speaker 2: The all in that same one play, I got the

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Speaker 2: same place.

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Speaker 22: Many guys single up, correct, and he says, all we

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Speaker 22: got to do is one of these guys of our

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Speaker 22: guys got to win a one on one.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, so we're making plays, We're not making

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Speaker 2: enough plays.

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Speaker 22: That was his take and and I and I got

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Speaker 22: the sense throughout the locker room offensively and defensively, And

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Speaker 22: this is probably what you really want to know, John.

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Speaker 22: The common thread in talking about Mike Kafka was his poise,

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Speaker 22: his calmness, very encouraging on the sidelines. And I got

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Speaker 22: the impression that everybody thought it was a positive experience.

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Speaker 2: And he was positive in his press conference as well.

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Speaker 1: One of his teammates on defense, Javon Hollin's book after

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Speaker 1: the game as well.

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Speaker 2: Let's listening to him not in a kick.

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Speaker 11: You just made a good play?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah?

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Speaker 11: Did you get with an illegal pick on adown they had.

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Speaker 18: On the right name, Yeah yeah, I believe I was

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Speaker 18: within one yard of the line of scrimmage, so it

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Speaker 18: was a good play.

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Speaker 9: By then, So what are you supposed to do then?

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Speaker 10: Ascually sag off so it doesn't have him within one year? Like,

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Speaker 10: what's the solution for you in that situation?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, just don't be within one yard.

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Speaker 10: Let me catch that Watson made out there. You and Cary,

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Speaker 10: we're back out there what you see on that play

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Speaker 10: out there.

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Speaker 11: I just made a good question in the corner. You

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Speaker 11: did a good job.

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Speaker 4: Is there anything you could pinpoint and blind you guys

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Speaker 4: have been able to make the big play at the

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Speaker 4: end of games?

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Speaker 11: That's not really a question for me. It's probably a

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Speaker 11: question for our coaches.

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Speaker 9: Is there anything you can do as sort of like

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Speaker 9: a leader to sort of help that.

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Speaker 11: Other than my job? I'm not necessarily sure, but you know,

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Speaker 11: make the player that comes to me. But uh, as

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Speaker 11: a leader or one of.

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Speaker 18: The eleven individuals on the field, Like, my job is

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Speaker 18: to do my job and then you know that'll lead

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Speaker 18: to success.

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Speaker 10: So you know, just figuring it out. But that's definitely

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01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 10: a question for you know, somebody so many things?

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Speaker 9: Did you? Is that what you've preached everyone else? Just

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Speaker 9: do your job, like worry about you.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, actually, men and everything else sort of take care

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Speaker 10: of it. Stuff that everyone can do in their job, right.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, everyone does their job.

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Speaker 18: If all eleven people do their job and diresuccessful in

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Speaker 18: their job, then they'll end up coming.

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Speaker 9: Out and being successful.

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Speaker 19: What was your sense when it was twenty or nineteen,

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Speaker 19: You guys go on the field, you finally take the lead.

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Speaker 11: You defense has been in that situation before.

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Speaker 16: Was there a good level of confidence or the word

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Speaker 16: to stop and he'll lead to a win here?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely.

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Speaker 18: I mean what happened before has nothing to do with

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Speaker 18: what happens now, cause I I really can't control any

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Speaker 18: even happens before. So yeah, absolute, We're going to go

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Speaker 18: out there and make a stop. And they made two

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Speaker 18: great catches. You know, I took my hat and name

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Speaker 18: those are good, two good plays. And if we go

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Speaker 18: back out there and they throw the same players, I

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Speaker 18: expect my you know, fly in Corey to make those

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Speaker 18: two plays.

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Speaker 11: Like I wouldn't draw it up any differently.

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Speaker 10: I trust both of those individual selves.

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Speaker 12: What do you think the key is to being able

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Speaker 12: to close out some of these type finishes?

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Speaker 11: I think just execute is.

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Speaker 9: The only thing is execute Mike.

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Speaker 1: That's Jamon Holland after the game. Is it as simple

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Speaker 1: as do your job? To Yeah, it is, do your job.

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Speaker 3: But it also sounded like he was he was kicking

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Speaker 3: it upstairs or not upstairs to you know, to the

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Speaker 3: front office, but to the coaching staff. Often you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not my decision, it's above my pay grade. And

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Speaker 3: I get a sense and we said this earlier. I

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Speaker 3: said this earlier. When he was in Miami, he was

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Speaker 3: all he was always around the football, and you don't

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Speaker 3: see that much with this defense. He's not in a

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Speaker 3: blitz position. He's not in a place to impact the

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Speaker 3: ball or the play call defensive play calls in the box.

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Speaker 3: And I think he's frustrated by that. He knows what

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01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 3: kind of player he can be and he's not getting

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Speaker 3: the opportunity. And so when he's asked about these things,

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Speaker 3: that's why he's deferring to the coaching uh. And ultimately

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Speaker 3: there's a reckoning that it's gonna ultimately happen on the

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Speaker 3: defensive side of this ball.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that looks like.

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Speaker 3: If it's in the short term, clearly it's gonna be

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01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 3: in the long term because of the disappointment pointing ways

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01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: that this Giants team has lost games. But it comes

1485
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 3: back to what everybody's been talking about, why isn't Shane

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Speaker 3: Bowen being more aggressive? And I think this defense is

1487
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 3: pining for that in so many different ways, and you're

1488
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 3: just not getting it week in and week out.

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Speaker 1: All Right, let's take some calls eight eight EIGHTHA eight

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Speaker 1: one zero one nine eight eight eighta eight one zero

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Speaker 1: one nine. We're gonna lead things off with John in

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Speaker 1: haz New Jersey. John, what's going on?

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Speaker 11: Hey, gentlemen?

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Speaker 2: Well good, it is what it is.

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Speaker 23: So I gotta say, whoever the head coach of this

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Speaker 23: team winds up being, I personally think if there's one

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Speaker 23: coach retains, it's got to be Carmen Brisilla. The O line,

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Speaker 23: the improvements that they've made and measurable improvements. It's it's

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01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 23: you need to get the guy and sometimes you know,

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01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 23: the best guys in the room still. And I don't

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01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 23: know what's gonna happen with Kafka.

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01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 24: I like him.

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01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 23: We'll see with him, but there's you got to keep Priscilla.

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01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 23: You got to get his all line going.

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01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 3: I mean, look, the offensive line appreciates you. John played

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01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: well in this game. You heard multiple people reference that.

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01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 3: You heard uh Jamis talking about it. Devin Singletary was

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01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 3: talking about it a common theme this year course, and

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01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 3: it's really because of continuity. You just you've been able

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Speaker 3: to for the most part, have the same guys out there.

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Speaker 3: Say for the one game where Jermaine and Luminor was

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01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 3: down with the peck injury play every single week, and

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01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 3: you get familiar with one another, and so you can

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01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 3: start running different types of schemes in the run game.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we talked about what Kafka is going

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01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: to do in this run game in the second half.

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Speaker 2: What were the keys.

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01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 3: One of the keys we mentioned, John was you got

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01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 3: to run the ball. You got to try to control

1521
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage because that's where the was. And

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01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 3: they put themselves in long drive situations into scoring position,

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01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 3: into the red zone. Because the offensive line held up

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01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 3: in the run game with Tyrone Tracy and Devin Singletary.

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Speaker 2: Did a really good job of converting when you need

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Speaker 2: it to.

1527
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: Of course, Paul, the trick is, you have two members

1528
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: of this offensive line free agents after the year, Greg

1529
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: Van Roden, who knows if he wants to play next

1530
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: year then he's into his mid thirties, Jermaine and Luminor

1531
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: a free agent as well. You have Marcus Bowl waiting

1532
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: in the wings there, and then excuse me, John Michaelischmitch

1533
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: and John Runyon they're free agents the following year, right,

1534
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of uncertainty coming up the next

1535
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: couple years of this scroup.

1536
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 22: No there's no doubt the only one right now who

1537
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 22: I think you could really count on to compete for

1538
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 22: a starting job as Marcus Baul. I think it's pretty

1539
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 22: clear he is going to be a starter somewhere in

1540
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 22: that front five at some.

1541
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 2: Point going into opening down. And they've been pretty clear

1542
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 2: that they think of him as a tackle.

1543
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: They love him at tackle. So we'll see how the

1544
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: Giants decide to handle that. Eight one zero one nine.

1545
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the phones and say, what's up

1546
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: to Matt in Saratoon, Goo, Matt, what's going on?

1547
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 25: Hey, guys, how's it going?

1548
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 2: Thanks?

1549
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 25: Taking Nicole unfortunately driving home, driving home from yet another

1550
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,919
Speaker 25: disappointing loss. And I just wanted to get your guys

1551
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 25: thought because I keep kicking this around my head. I

1552
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 25: just don't understand I've been saying the same thing you

1553
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 25: guys have. It's like the broken record of guys need

1554
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,959
Speaker 25: to make plays, make plays, make plays, but they just don't.

1555
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 2: I just don't.

1556
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 25: I cannot wrap my head around the fact that more

1557
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 25: pink fingers are not being pointed at Joe Shane. You know,

1558
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 25: they want to scapegoat stable same result here.

1559
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 9: I get it.

1560
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 25: New Week, first week, as a head coach. I'm not

1561
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 25: saying CAF goat to turn this thing around, But I

1562
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 25: don't understand how they're not fingers being pointed at just

1563
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 25: the poor composition of this roster and the lack of talent,

1564
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,919
Speaker 25: because I don't know that a new a new coach

1565
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 25: is a magic pill for just the growth lack of

1566
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 25: talent on this team, especially on the defense.

1567
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right about that, especially in the secondary,

1568
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 3: and a lot of that's because of injuries and uh,

1569
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 3: you know, not being in the position where they are

1570
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 3: where they're ideal at their skill set. And so it

1571
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 3: is partly scheme, but ultimately you're playing second stringers or

1572
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 3: guys who aren't aren't gonna make it in this league. Now,

1573
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 3: maybe Deontay Banks thrives in a different type of scheme

1574
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 3: when he's no longer a New York Giant, But in

1575
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 3: this scheme, he's not physical. He doesn't make plays on

1576
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 3: the ball. He's often right where he needs to be,

1577
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 3: but doesn't make plays on the ball quarter flat. As

1578
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 3: as positive as you can try to be on him,

1579
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 3: he's a smaller corner and he and he and he

1580
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 3: gets beat a lot and doesn't make the plays at

1581
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 3: the point of attack.

1582
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: He's a frigaty the two exactly, so he'll be somewhere

1583
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 2: else as well.

1584
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 3: And you know, you need stronger, bigger, faster athletes, especially

1585
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 3: against some of these wide receivers that you see, especially

1586
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: this Packer squad. Look at me, Christian Watskon is a

1587
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 3: big dude.

1588
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Uh uh uh. Romeo Dobbs

1589
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: is a big player.

1590
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 3: You got to be able to play through the ball

1591
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 3: and make more importantly, when you make a mistake, you

1592
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 3: gotta be able to recover.

1593
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: And when they make mistakes, they get burned. It's a

1594
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: matter of player development though too right. I think he

1595
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,479
Speaker 1: liked what we saw out of Drew Phillips and Tyler,

1596
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: but his rookies, and we talked about those guys taking

1597
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: a jump in their second year.

1598
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have taken a step back. We have not

1599
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 2: seen that.

1600
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 3: Now they've they've regressed. And you know, now man Nuben

1601
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 3: is out. He was out of this game. But he

1602
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 3: hasn't looked the same as he did as a rookie

1603
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 3: when he played almost every snap until he got hurt

1604
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 3: at the end of the season. We thought he was

1605
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 3: going to be a stal wars for the future. You

1606
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 3: thought the Xavier McKinney exodus because of in free agency

1607
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 3: would have been neutered in some regard because Tyler Nuben

1608
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 3: was such a good player, but he hasn't been that

1609
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 3: this year, And so who gets to blame?

1610
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 2: Is it the player or is it the coaching staff? Yeah?

1611
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 22: Well, Tike, I would only say this of the starting eleven.

1612
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 22: And if you want to call Phillips part of that

1613
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 22: because he's the nixt yeah, sure, which is fine. They're

1614
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 22: basically how many of those guys outside of Brian Burns

1615
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 22: is actually playing up to their capabilities?

1616
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I make Fadden was before he got hurt,

1617
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: but now he's not on the field. That's not here, right,

1618
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: So how but.

1619
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 22: How many other guys are playing to their max to

1620
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 22: what they should be able to do?

1621
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? Not enough of them, is the no. And that's

1622
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 2: where it becomes.

1623
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 22: If it's one, two, or three guys, now you can

1624
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 22: point fingers more different guys, right, But when a whole

1625
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 22: host of them, when eighty percent of your starting defense

1626
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 22: is not maxing out and actually regressing, no, that I'm

1627
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 22: sorry to say becomes a bigger problem.

1628
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 3: It becomes systematic as opposed to individual exactly. And that's

1629
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 3: that's where that's why there's there's been in again and

1630
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 3: this started from the fan base, but it's it's kind

1631
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 3: of the reality with the staff and you heard Javon

1632
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 3: Holland talking about it.

1633
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 6: It's you know, ask the coach, ask the coach as

1634
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 6: the coach, and.

1635
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get any answers because I'm not sure

1636
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 3: they have the answers right now.

1637
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: I think if they had the answers, they would have

1638
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: implemented the results over the first eleven shoots of the season.

1639
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a time out. We'll come back.

1640
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: Take more of your calls. Giants fall to the Backers

1641
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty. We'll take you until ten to six,

1642
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: when that's basketball comes your way.

1643
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 15: This is Brian Burns and you listen, and it's a

1644
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 15: Giants football on the fan w f A n and

1645
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 15: w f A N FM, New York.

1646
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: We're back here on Giants extra point. Giants fall to

1647
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: the Packers twenty seven to twenty. Brian Burns, one of

1648
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: the Giants captains and leaders, talked after the game in

1649
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: the locker room, was listening.

1650
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 11: We took too long. We had three one on ones

1651
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 11: we didn't win.

1652
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 10: Can't leave the.

1653
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 15: Coverage, you know, covering that long flight with the tradition,

1654
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 15: that's a hard time for him.

1655
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 11: We had to have a model man, So that's that's

1656
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 11: gonna do line, in my opinion, the.

1657
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 14: Difficult to when these things can playing enough to deal

1658
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 14: with defensively in the fourth quarter early get that.

1659
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 10: Obviously he played a lot of.

1660
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 8: Good ball today and then it still doesn't reward you know,

1661
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 8: at the end of the day.

1662
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 15: Gotta make Copetter plays bigger plays, bigger and better plays.

1663
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 15: We had a turnover that they took back. I mean

1664
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 15: I had to say it's gonna do so much, but

1665
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 15: I mean, that's that's the moment that we could have had.

1666
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 10: We also got two more punch outs that the ball

1667
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 10: ran out of bounce.

1668
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 11: I mean the ball fell out of bounce.

1669
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 10: But uh, you know, you just gotta make bigger and

1670
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 10: better players.

1671
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 9: Didn't pack the game all of us.

1672
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 6: Supplined for the first series. Would you see see anything

1673
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 6: different from him when he.

1674
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: Came in the game.

1675
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 9: Uh No, he was locked in.

1676
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 11: That's not what I expect him to be the different

1677
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 11: as the leader on this team. Did you talk to

1678
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 11: him at all?

1679
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, would you share anything that kind of get parted

1680
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:15,959
Speaker 10: on the Winston.

1681
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 15: Wis uh not trying to not really besides the you

1682
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 15: know regularly just you know, stay in it. You know

1683
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 15: when you get the opportunity, when you show out, you know,

1684
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 15: it's just continue to study if you you when you

1685
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 15: when you're uh, when your job.

1686
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 2: What was it like with casts on the sideline to Uh?

1687
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 9: It was good?

1688
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: He didn't.

1689
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 15: I didn't have too much too many words of him

1690
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 15: throughout the game, you know, just because how it is whatever,

1691
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 15: But but uh, he was good Bryan back operation backs

1692
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 15: doing things just for one second.

1693
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 10: How much does that for a team set?

1694
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 4: You know, when Mike as a new coach set a

1695
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,520
Speaker 4: sort of standard or message that there's gonna be accountability

1696
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 4: for you know, not following the rules or.

1697
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 11: Whatever whatever it may be.

1698
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 15: Right, he's just professional, bro. Ain't really too much to

1699
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,600
Speaker 15: be said. It wasn't no big, no big meeting or

1700
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 15: nothing like that. It was just you know, between him

1701
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 15: and castor then it got handled.

1702
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 11: So but it just do that never they wand all

1703
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 11: the times wh I got out.

1704
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 10: You might not never know, you know, things that stay

1705
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 10: in house staying house for a reason. But we did

1706
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,440
Speaker 10: but we do know is you see it the repercussions.

1707
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 6: Now we're on the field, on the field in regards

1708
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 6: to playing time, So does that speak differently?

1709
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 11: And anyway, my brother, it happened. It's over right. What

1710
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 11: did you think.

1711
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 13: You said you didn't really hear the actor on the

1712
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 13: sideline overall, feel any different his presence on the side, like.

1713
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 11: To feel any different?

1714
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1715
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 11: It felt good, man. I mean, he was into it.

1716
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 11: He was all into the game.

1717
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 15: You know, he came over games, some words and encouragement,

1718
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 15: you know, uh, gave some key piners of of how

1719
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 15: they were attacking us.

1720
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 10: And I see those things as being able.

1721
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 11: That's a great resource.

1722
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 10: Everything was, it was.

1723
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: It was cool alright, talk about not making plays on

1724
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: defense there, that's what Mike and Clifton Park wants to

1725
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: talk about.

1726
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 2: He joins us here on the fan.

1727
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 24: Mike, Hey, guys, how how's it going?

1728
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: All We're good.

1729
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 24: But so you know, when they drafted ab Drew Carter,

1730
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 24: my first thought was James Bowen, please don't.

1731
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 19: Screw this up. And he screwed it up.

1732
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 24: So you know my feeling is he James Bowen doesn't

1733
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 24: play to the strength of the defense. I do think

1734
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 24: the defense does does play hard, but but but they're

1735
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 24: not set up to win. They don't make winning plays.

1736
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 24: That also goes to Shane and.

1737
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: And right there, like, yeah, my serious question, how is

1738
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: Shaane Bowen? How did he not use outdal quarter the

1739
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: right way today?

1740
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 24: How did he not how many sacks?

1741
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said, shamee Bone's not putting Carter in her

1742
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: positions to succeed.

1743
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 2: What did he do wrong you Carter today?

1744
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 24: Give me a break. You know I'm a lay person. Okay,

1745
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 24: get some sacks already and make a key stop so

1746
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 24: so and stop giving up the leaf for quin out

1747
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 24: loud when no, that's all far Fire him. When we

1748
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 24: get to the buy, fire him, and when we get

1749
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 24: to when we get to offseasons, fire shape. His roster stinks,

1750
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 24: and Bowen's not the right coach.

1751
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 8: For this team.

1752
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 19: Take care.

1753
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 24: What a dumb question, he asked?

1754
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, no time out, Mike. First of all, you

1755
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 1: come and you make a statement, you can't defend it.

1756
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: You're the one that sounds dumb, not me. If you

1757
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: want to look at the overall quality of how things

1758
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: have gone this year, that's fine. I'm not gonna argue

1759
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 1: that they've blown a bunch of leads. They've given up

1760
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: too many points. They're not winning games. That's fine.

1761
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 2: Don't call up make a statement and then say, oh,

1762
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 2: I can't give that answer. I'm the lay person. Well,

1763
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 2: then don't make the definitive statement if you don't know

1764
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 2: what you're talking about. Fair, That's what I thought, Locky.

1765
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,799
Speaker 3: He's frustrated because Abdult Carter's not showing up in the stats.

1766
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 3: And that's fine, of course, And again, part of that

1767
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 3: is because Abdul Carter is a rookie and he's gotta

1768
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 3: he's gotta evolve his game and learn how to be

1769
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 3: a more complete pass rusher, and that'll come with time.

1770
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 3: But he's also a rookie and he's been putting in

1771
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 3: a position where uh in this game, particularly because Kevon

1772
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 3: Thibodeau is out with I guess it was an armage.

1773
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure what they diagnosed or stated, but

1774
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 3: he now got a chance to be on the edge

1775
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 3: for the majority of this game.

1776
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 2: And look, he knows what he wants to do, but

1777
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: so do they.

1778
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 3: Right, the offensive game plans are going to be designed

1779
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 3: to take advantage of what he's trying to do on

1780
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 3: a limited capacity. And look, I think he'll evolve into

1781
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 3: a good player, of course, but right now it's got

1782
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 3: to be frustrating. I think a lot of people expected

1783
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 3: him to become Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons was a force

1784
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 3: from jump Abdul Carter. It's gonna take some time.

1785
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 22: Well, that's why elite guys like Parsons, like Lawrence Taylor, Yeah,

1786
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 22: they make an impact as rookies right out of the box.

1787
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 2: But you know what, Tiki, and you know this too,

1788
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 2: you're a rookie in this league.

1789
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 22: There are guys who are getting paid on the other

1790
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,719
Speaker 22: side of the lot of scrimmage, who are crafty, wiley veterans.

1791
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: They know how to use the tricks of the trade

1792
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 2: to get the edge on you.

1793
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 22: And it's like, hey, kid, welcome to the NFL, and

1794
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 22: they're going to frustrate you with a lot of tricks

1795
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 22: of the trade that you were going to have to

1796
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 22: learn and overcome. And that's why not every pass rusher

1797
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 22: makes an immediate impact in this game.

1798
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 2: It's hard, it's not easy. Let's go to Richie and queens,

1799
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 2: he's up next. What's up?

1800
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 19: Rich I got so frustrating guys, and I think the

1801
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 19: giant things are getting crazy and I'm getting to that

1802
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 19: point too.

1803
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 2: But Richie, it's understandable Giant fans should be upset. I

1804
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 2: totally get that.

1805
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean, and you know, we could say the

1806
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 19: same thing we say every week, and we talked about

1807
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 19: it Saturday, John Winnaby winnable do they win a game?

1808
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 19: Nothing's winnable because I have no faith in them at all.

1809
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 19: And you know it was. It was wittable, right, it

1810
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 19: was winnable. But you've got to finish the games, guys,

1811
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 19: and they don't of course. And take you touched on Hyatt.

1812
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 19: I refereed almost twenty five years in a semi pro

1813
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 19: and the play like that. I knew who the defense was,

1814
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 19: I knew who the player was, and I knew that

1815
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 19: that player was not going to give up on it,

1816
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 19: so I had to be more intense. Hyatt, like you said,

1817
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,759
Speaker 19: is playing himself at the league. It looks like it's Winston.

1818
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 19: It was definitely higher. And you know the other thing

1819
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 19: that gods me again at the end of the game.

1820
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 19: They were supposed to be an elite, elite defense, and

1821
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 19: I know this guy's missing, the saying Tiberdau's missing, Well,

1822
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,879
Speaker 19: everybody's in doesn't make a difference. I know the secondary

1823
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 19: is hurt, but you know what, at that particular time

1824
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 19: when Kafka said, it's more than just the end of

1825
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,919
Speaker 19: the game, No, it's not. You're down five. In baseball,

1826
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 19: you give you give the close of the game to

1827
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 19: close out just one time. They never make a stop,

1828
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 19: whether it's a corner blitz, whether it's a full blitz,

1829
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 19: empty backfield, whatever. It's so frustrating towards and I think

1830
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 19: we've talked about I know we've talked about Carter, but

1831
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 19: when your physical specimen like he was supposed to be

1832
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 19: by accident, you got to be one on one. You

1833
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 19: don't have to read a playbook. You know, it's not

1834
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 19: like a quarterboy. It's not like running routes. But once

1835
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,560
Speaker 19: in a while, you got to come up big and

1836
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 19: they don't.

1837
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to win those moments. And I've talked

1838
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 3: about this all season long. All of these players, at

1839
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 3: least a lot of these players, especially the skill position players,

1840
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 3: and then includes the defensive skill pasion players.

1841
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: You have a moment in a game.

1842
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 3: Where it's your call to make or your opportunity to

1843
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 3: make a play. Thanks, and we're not we're not getting

1844
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 3: that enough. And part of it, again is because the youth.

1845
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 3: It's a it's a system that I don't think a

1846
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 3: lot of these guys on defense love. They're they're playing

1847
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 3: their hardest. It's just not it's not good enough. And

1848
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 3: especially in the secondary.

1849
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 22: You know what, though, winning winning drive for the pack

1850
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 22: five and a half minutes left third and ten from

1851
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 22: their own forty eight. And because three guys cannot win

1852
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 22: a one on one pass rush, Yeah, three guys who

1853
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,799
Speaker 22: were in position, John, they were in position.

1854
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: Can I thrown a fourth guy that couldn't win a

1855
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 1: one on one with a wide receiver that's a rookie,

1856
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: I get it.

1857
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,759
Speaker 2: No, No, My point is that though, right, the guys

1858
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 2: are there to make plays. The players have to win,

1859
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 2: and they would put in position to do it.

1860
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 22: And they failed on a thirty two yard pass play right,

1861
01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 22: a prayer that was actually.

1862
01:18:58,960 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 2: Defended well by the way.

1863
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: But again, much like they couldn't finish games, they can't

1864
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: finish the play, you know, and that and I mean so,

1865
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean that that's the backbreaking play right there.

1866
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 3: Right, you run out of things to say, you run

1867
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 3: out of things that get upset about, and you get

1868
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 3: despondent because what else can you say? You say it

1869
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 3: over and over again. It's the same thing.

1870
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 6: Every single y quarterback had five seconds.

1871
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 2: It was a long time.

1872
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, and the throw hung in the

1873
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: air forever. All right, guys, you got about two minutes

1874
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: here each. You give me like fifteen seconds. Giants lines

1875
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: next week, Yeah, Giants. Giants are taking on a team

1876
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: that is going to run the football. Tonight is a

1877
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: game to watch. The Eagles and the Tory Lions. Both

1878
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: teams want to be able to run the football.

1879
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 3: You're gonna get a preview of what Dan Campbell, former

1880
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 3: New York Giant, obviously, is going to try to do

1881
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 3: to the Giants. You know, the run has been Stopping

1882
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 3: the run has been the biggest issue. You're gonna get

1883
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 3: a heavy dose of it next week against this Lion team.

1884
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, their quarterback Jared Goff is

1885
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 3: pretty damn good too.

1886
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 22: I just like to see the Giants continue to run

1887
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 22: the ball like they did today against a really stout

1888
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 22: Packers d because if they can run the ball that

1889
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 22: effectively against Detroit.

1890
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 6: Next week, try to slow the game down, control the clock.

1891
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 26: You're in full time in possession Thode. I'm absolutely in

1892
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 26: game flow. By the way, Paul, That's how you win games.

1893
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 26: You keep can control the ball and you stop them

1894
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 26: from doing the same.

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