Speaker 1: Today we have two times Super Bowl champ Lashawan, Shady McCoy.
Speaker 1: We're talking the twenty seventeen Snowbird time game.
Speaker 2: Probably get a tackle McCoy into the The cool thing
Speaker 2: about the snow What people don't understand is that when
Speaker 2: I get tackled, it's like fall on.
Speaker 1: Pillows and they can't get attraction. But I can sign
Speaker 1: me up. So are you the greatest snow running back
Speaker 1: of all time? I don't know. I'm saying yes. You'll
Speaker 1: see it on loss. We're gonna see a lot of
Speaker 1: insane takes. You always get your popcorn ready when Shady
Speaker 1: is here.
Speaker 2: And everybody's so sensitive listen on TV. In the locker room,
Speaker 2: I'm the same way.
Speaker 1: I just speak the truth.
Speaker 2: I used to believe that your coach, Bill Belichip was
Speaker 2: one of the greatest coach of all time, right, I
Speaker 2: used to, But now I updated my information and that
Speaker 2: is super false. You go from the top of the division,
Speaker 2: top of the DC East Birds twenty years now you
Speaker 2: at the bottom.
Speaker 1: We and Brentwood. We are in Brentwood. Oh they got
Speaker 1: a prison? Can we gonna see his house? Games with
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Speaker 1: we're talking the twenty seventeen snover Time game with Shady
Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy.
Speaker 3: Is it Is it a stone Cold Steve Austin type thing, Like,
Speaker 3: have you said Steve stone Cold Austin? That just doesn't work, Shady.
Speaker 3: It's almost like you just replaced. You never hear Lashawn
Speaker 3: and Shady in the same place.
Speaker 1: All I just think of as Shade Shady. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: got screwed up when I saw Lashawan. I knew that
Speaker 1: was his name, but everyone knows him as Shady.
Speaker 3: I'm with you. It's like a Batman Bruce Wayne thing.
Speaker 3: You're never gonna see them in the.
Speaker 1: Same You're never gonna see, but you know what we're
Speaker 1: gonna see. We're gonna see a lot of insane tape.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, topics, snow game, Belichick versus read talk,
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, talk a lot more. This guy had.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're always you always get your popcorn ready
Speaker 1: when Shady is here. Oh big time.
Speaker 3: I mean we were holding our own too. It turned
Speaker 3: into a little debate, but good news, we're mastered today.
Speaker 2: He just he just wants to debate. I was, I was,
Speaker 2: I was conflicted.
Speaker 3: But then at the end of the day, we're gonna
Speaker 3: win every time. Rings, Baby kiss the Rings and Belli
Speaker 3: and Bill we trust clock management.
Speaker 1: Well just Bill, two great coaches, you know, yes, all right.
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Speaker 1: Era Field Orchard Park, New York.
Speaker 2: As sixteen inches of lake effect snow falls from the Heavens.
Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy in the all reds streaks for the end zone.
Speaker 1: This is the snow Over Time. Welcome to Games with
Speaker 1: Names presented by when Bet. Today we have Lashawn Shady
Speaker 1: McCoy in studio, two time Super Bowl champ, two different teams,
Speaker 1: six time Pro bowler, the King of the twenty ten's
Speaker 1: current host to speak on FS one, and new teammate
Speaker 1: of mine. First time I'll get to enjoy and experience
Speaker 1: the real Shady McCoy and future Hall of Famer. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you see the backs of the Hall of Fame. You
Speaker 1: see the mother dude. Hey, you know, we just had
Speaker 1: to get it right. We had to get it right.
Speaker 1: Guys there with two left feet in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Who is the guy with two left feet?
Speaker 2: And the couple of them, give me some names, numbers,
Speaker 2: A couple of them that has been with a home
Speaker 2: much of great players on the team, Like, it's a.
Speaker 1: Lot of them.
Speaker 2: Got I'm listen to your home. I'm listening to Shady.
Speaker 2: The thing is that you can't just go that's a
Speaker 2: I just text my boy. I'm like, yo, I got
Speaker 2: my boy, I got Shady coming on. He's like, YO,
Speaker 2: you gotta ask him, you know, is he ever gonna
Speaker 2: take accountability for these outlandish takes that he has sometimes
Speaker 2: this and this is let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: Let's let's see. The thing is is that people are
Speaker 1: so used to just.
Speaker 2: The normal, right, the saying thing outside the normals like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's he's tripping, he's crazy. But when you break it down,
Speaker 2: I mean everything I say is factual, you know. Now
Speaker 2: that's all opinions, right, But it's just no filter, That's
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 1: I just there's always that guy in the locker room
Speaker 1: that just says it how it is, even if there's
Speaker 1: feelings involved, He's still gonna say it because that's there's
Speaker 1: that's just there's you're that you're that guy. Now.
Speaker 2: Now, we both play with Tom and I love I
Speaker 2: played with him this a year. I love Tom right,
Speaker 2: and you play with longer, so obviously the love is
Speaker 2: probably different. But Gronk I know Grounk very well from
Speaker 2: just like Pro Bowl and like little commercials you do together,
Speaker 2: and he just got cool. And then my agent was
Speaker 2: his agent, Drosehouse, so we were tighter than Tom. But
Speaker 2: they can tell you how I am listen on TV
Speaker 2: in the locker room. I'm the same way the way
Speaker 2: I am in when I walked down to Now. That's
Speaker 2: one thing that I'm always going to be one hunting
Speaker 2: and authentic. That's the problem nowadays everybody's so sensitive.
Speaker 1: If you say this guy can't play, it's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 2: If you say this dude, is is this and that,
Speaker 2: it's like it's an issue.
Speaker 1: I just speak the truth at the moment. All the
Speaker 1: time things change, Like you could say something right and
Speaker 1: then something else. Can I understand?
Speaker 2: I respect that, Like like for example, like you know,
Speaker 2: a while ago, I used to believe that you know,
Speaker 2: your coach Bill Belichick was one of the greatest coach
Speaker 2: of all time, right he used to, but now today
Speaker 2: I updated my information, and that is super false.
Speaker 1: Super let's hear it.
Speaker 2: I mean the guy they used to wear them big
Speaker 2: boots at quarterback Brady.
Speaker 1: Once he left, we've seen.
Speaker 2: The real Belichick. We've seen the same Belichick before he
Speaker 2: got to the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Which one is that you know that the one of
Speaker 1: the Browns where he take the Browns to the playoffs
Speaker 1: and they were they were about to go to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: They were a sexy team to do the AFC Championship.
Speaker 1: But then in the middle of the night they announced
Speaker 1: that they're taking the team to Baltimore and they show
Speaker 1: up to work. Fans are throwing things, there's riots in
Speaker 1: the streets. The Cleveland people were pissed. Distraction.
Speaker 2: Then they suck off that year. But like, all right,
Speaker 2: I get it. He had five years there or four?
Speaker 2: I think five?
Speaker 1: Jackie? What we got? By the way, this Jackie he's in.
Speaker 3: Here something like that guy with Google. I'm a guy
Speaker 3: with Google.
Speaker 1: Four or five years he's been with the Browns. I
Speaker 1: can't remember one.
Speaker 2: But guess what, he only had one winning season, this one.
Speaker 2: There's one of them, the Browns.
Speaker 1: When's the last time? I don't care what Belichick it's,
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we talking about?
Speaker 2: And then the Bets that of them all is that
Speaker 2: without Tom Brady as his quarterback?
Speaker 1: Do you know you know what he is? Do you
Speaker 1: know what he's like? Five hundred? He's barely touching five hundred.
Speaker 2: And you watch them boys, You watch them boys now right,
Speaker 2: they don't want nothing like they used to. Look back
Speaker 2: in the day when I was with the Bills, they
Speaker 2: cut this dude named Jamie Collins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in there like they cut him. Most
Speaker 1: athletic guy, he's their best player on defense.
Speaker 2: We used to watch him. I'll play for the Bills.
Speaker 2: We played twice a year. We used to watch him
Speaker 2: on tape. He could covery kasaka, he played the run.
Speaker 2: He was the best player. High Tier was good. But
Speaker 2: I thought Jamie Collins was better. Well, I mean in
Speaker 2: office thought he was better. How you cut a guy
Speaker 2: like that, because you know, you at twelve nowadays, you
Speaker 2: know what they doing. They paying everybody to come there.
Speaker 2: We will pay all this extra money to come over here.
Speaker 1: Think about it though, Yeah, I mean, you gotta fight
Speaker 1: the quarterback's Mack the guy yet I mean, Rowan built
Speaker 1: overnight shady like you gotta think about it. A twenty
Speaker 1: year dynasty, a twenty year dynasty, year twenty years, right,
Speaker 1: and Tom is like a lot to do, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But okay, but once once that crumbles
Speaker 1: because of the salary cap, then you get into all
Speaker 1: these crazy things and you got to go and try
Speaker 1: to find Like, it's tough to like when you're Rome
Speaker 1: and the shit crashes, it's hard to come back to
Speaker 1: become Rome again right away. And by the way, when
Speaker 1: you're evaluating at least when I evaluate. It's like I
Speaker 1: remember talking with owners and they were telling they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't evaluate every year of our organization. We do
Speaker 1: it in ten year increments, which we don't have any
Speaker 1: patience for anyone or any that nowadays. And I understand,
Speaker 1: and right now it's not looking good. It's not looking
Speaker 1: good for Bill. But I'm just saying as a guy
Speaker 1: in the end that was there. Motherfucker laid out a
Speaker 1: template and it was based off of his best players
Speaker 1: having to make that template go. And he just so
Speaker 1: happened to have the best football. Yes, but that template
Speaker 1: a lot of those characteristics that Tom had when he
Speaker 1: went to Tampa. I mean, it was probably because he
Speaker 1: was around that template.
Speaker 2: Put my thing is, so, when if all that's true,
Speaker 2: you go from the top of the division, top of
Speaker 2: the d C East for twenty years, now you're at
Speaker 2: the bottom.
Speaker 1: And my question to you is at the bottom right now?
Speaker 1: Maybe where they are? Were they bottom last year? They
Speaker 1: finished fourth? Last year. I can't make this up.
Speaker 2: They made the playoffs year the year with the rookie
Speaker 2: I got small bout thirty. But look, this is the
Speaker 2: thing though, this is the issue though, So that's that's
Speaker 2: that's that's true.
Speaker 1: So you go from the top to the bottom. Cool,
Speaker 1: it happens.
Speaker 2: It happens when I look at other great coaches like
Speaker 2: Andy Reives, like Sean Payton's all these other coaches right now,
Speaker 2: no bel Chick's career, his resume is better, right Andy Reid.
Speaker 2: No matter who the quarterback is, no matter who whatever's
Speaker 2: playing around, they're not gonna be terrible. Right, think about this.
Speaker 1: It was like an he's an offensive guy. That's that's
Speaker 1: his thing. I don't know who.
Speaker 2: I don't know about offense. I'm saying as a team,
Speaker 2: as a team, wherever.
Speaker 1: He goes, they're not going to He drafted Alex Smith, No,
Speaker 1: he got he. He got him from San Francisco after
Speaker 1: he had that little thunder in there. And then Kaepernick
Speaker 1: and they trade.
Speaker 2: Cap, Yeah, they trade him because it was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: they said he was a bus he's on.
Speaker 1: A bus route. Oh, but then he then he picked
Speaker 1: it up those last two years with her ball, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to call it that. And
Speaker 1: then he got hurt. Yeah. Great. They one of the
Speaker 1: best defenses of all time. They still do. But and
Speaker 1: they ran the ball crazy.
Speaker 2: But anyway, he comes from the Niners to the Chiefs
Speaker 2: and instantly become like a Pro Bowl player.
Speaker 1: They win in in playoffs.
Speaker 2: Andy Reid goes to the Chiefs. They're terrible, they were winning.
Speaker 2: They get there with any read, they start winning. The
Speaker 2: Eagles they were trash. Right he gets there, they start winning.
Speaker 2: So my point to you is, Okay.
Speaker 1: Belichick's been in the same division for twenty five years,
Speaker 1: so the whole division is designed to try to beat him. No,
Speaker 1: no more, not anymore. But that's what it happens. People
Speaker 1: can't wait to play the Patriots now. So I don't
Speaker 1: want make this about I don't think that. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think the quarterbacks too. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know if that means. I don't know. I just know this.
Speaker 1: They don't look disciplined.
Speaker 2: They don't look they don't they don't play smart football
Speaker 2: they used to play. I don't see the development in
Speaker 2: the players. I'm being now, I'm being serious. Before I
Speaker 2: was like, damn, he got better. That guy got better.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 2: They look disciplined. We always just say this. Playing the Patriots,
Speaker 2: they won't beat themselves. Now when I watch them.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't argue that. You can't I can't
Speaker 1: argue that right now, come on with the fundamentals. But
Speaker 1: he's still a great coach.
Speaker 2: I think he I think he's a really good coach.
Speaker 2: I do did you ask? Did you ever ask Tom?
Speaker 2: I won't even Tom, I won't even put this, you know,
Speaker 2: on air. But but Tom's you know, he's smart, hang
Speaker 2: on to go back forth with me. He do stuff
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 1: He might smile.
Speaker 2: One time I did it, I take on on ballot
Speaker 2: check and he's seen it and he d m'd me laughing.
Speaker 2: Now he didn't get into it because you know, Tom
Speaker 2: is like but he laughed like he knew, he know what,
Speaker 2: he know what's going on.
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But Shady, what do you say when people bring
Speaker 3: up the ring disparity? Eight rings to three rings? Belichick?
Speaker 3: To read.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady?
Speaker 3: What about Mahomes?
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you a question though. All right,
Speaker 1: you know Mahomes are even starting for about five years,
Speaker 1: right right? You know that that's like what Tom was doing.
Speaker 2: Who Yeah, Patrick Mahomes has been to five FC Championship
Speaker 2: games in a row.
Speaker 1: He's been to three Super Bowls, two winners.
Speaker 2: What you tell me you could have like that no
Speaker 2: Matta injury, had Tom Brady, you know you know what
Speaker 2: that would look like. See, God knows what he's doing God,
Speaker 2: and he wanted he didn't want to give him that.
Speaker 1: All that power. Boy, we even read fifteen championships. Come
Speaker 1: on with you know what I'm saying? What we talk
Speaker 1: about here? What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Then when he got there, he had all them freaking
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame defensive players. He's such a great defensive coach.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, is he boy? Because he had LT
Speaker 2: that was hard to coach. Hey, man, put your mouth.
Speaker 1: He's in. He's your first guy to ever make nickel
Speaker 1: for the San Francisco forty nine ers. That Indy Ree
Speaker 1: was on that staff. So they tell you that. Okay,
Speaker 1: look he's in first. Literally he was the first guy
Speaker 1: to pull a line back ground. Then we go to.
Speaker 2: So Lt, then he then he goes to the Patriots. Right, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna skip over that Brown segment because that was.
Speaker 1: Real bad football. They were good. They were good, good
Speaker 1: one year competitive.
Speaker 2: Then we go to the Patriots. They had all these
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame defensive players something like him. My first
Speaker 2: year was oh nine, I remember playing dude named Richard Seahorn.
Speaker 2: He played for the Raiders. Raiders and they was like, man,
Speaker 2: he's really good. We should see when he was younger.
Speaker 2: I'm not younger.
Speaker 1: He was a beast man watch him as a young dude.
Speaker 1: Didn't need him cornerback then, had he drafted him good.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is when you talk about how great
Speaker 2: of a coach he is and then they go to
Speaker 2: the defense. Now he is crafty with the way he schemes.
Speaker 2: I'll give him that. I Givehi credit because I played
Speaker 2: against him. But you can't get credit for all them
Speaker 2: great defensive players like Bro at one time you went
Speaker 2: in do you want.
Speaker 1: Na Hall of Famous on on air?
Speaker 2: It's a lot of them Bro, A lot of them
Speaker 2: at one point at one time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was a huge part of getting him there.
Speaker 2: He was so their defense is so good that saying
Speaker 2: was one of the best defensive players I've seen, especially
Speaker 2: as a corner.
Speaker 1: You weren't even starting at the time. They're like, they're
Speaker 1: like law and uh and I forget his name. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that team was loaded.
Speaker 2: They were then God has given him time, Like come on, man,
Speaker 2: I hate to do it to your God you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You can't say it. I can say, you can't say it.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, every great coach has a quarterback
Speaker 1: linked to them. Andy Reid ain't linked to anything he's
Speaker 1: done before this Kansas City team. I can't say that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can one of the most offensive lines in football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he never won super Bowls. Like we keep on,
Speaker 1: it's hard to do that. It's very hard to do.
Speaker 2: And if you don't have Tom Brady anything, if you
Speaker 2: don't win that many that quick, probably not give him
Speaker 2: a guy like Mahmes.
Speaker 1: You see how that ship going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a generational talent, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: So that's the common factor. You gotta have a generational talent.
Speaker 2: I mean, and he's done it.
Speaker 1: There's many ways over the man the wall. You can
Speaker 1: go around it, you can go under it, you can
Speaker 1: go over it.
Speaker 2: If any if any had the Patriots, they will win games.
Speaker 2: They won't be they won't be like the bombs of
Speaker 2: the division.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have the defense. Though our team played like
Speaker 1: complimentary football. I don't know.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is if Andy Reid right today right,
Speaker 2: if Tom left, I'm going to I'm going to tample cool.
Speaker 1: And they brought any reading there right where to the Patriots?
Speaker 1: They will be winning games.
Speaker 2: The quarterback that he plays around with, he starts in
Speaker 2: one game and don't all that kids shop he does,
Speaker 2: and he would make Mac Jones, he would make He
Speaker 2: would make Mac Jones a better player than he is today.
Speaker 2: You would see development was telling truth. I mean I
Speaker 2: had that's a good take.
Speaker 1: He's always always done it though he's and he's always
Speaker 1: done that better and better and better and better. So
Speaker 1: did he draft don drafted him? How about this? Peterson
Speaker 1: was the quarterback first?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And any drafts very well have two
Speaker 2: seconds drafted me. That drafted myself, DeShawn Jackson, Travis Kelce,
Speaker 2: Jason Kelce, Patrick Mahomes, Jason Tyreek Hill, Jeremy Macklin.
Speaker 1: I could do this forever. He drafts good offensive guys.
Speaker 1: It's the same way Bill goes on defense.
Speaker 2: I mean, after after that Hall of Fame group, I
Speaker 2: mean we didn't see the more of that since, right,
Speaker 2: I mean there were some good defenses we played on.
Speaker 1: We never feared that the Patriots defense. Which one? Which team? Any?
Speaker 2: I mean I got there and what fifteen. How many
Speaker 2: times you beat us when you're in Buffalo, Never beat you, guys.
Speaker 2: Right of the defense, because it's a great defense. Because
Speaker 2: this big dude with these big boots at the quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's go, guys, Go babe, Let's go babe.
Speaker 1: Because of him gets higher and higher, the more fiery. Yep,
Speaker 1: oh yo. I got some tom stories though, well a
Speaker 1: little save it. That was just us shooting the ship.
Speaker 1: We got to messing around. Let's get to it, let's
Speaker 1: get into it. Come on, Bill, let's tell us why
Speaker 1: you picked the game? The snow overtime game Colts versus
Speaker 1: Bill's Week fourteen, twenty seventeen. Why did I pick it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why'd you pick this one? I didn't pick it? Who
Speaker 1: picked it? I was?
Speaker 3: I thought Shady picked it.
Speaker 2: I didn't pick it. I mean I had a good
Speaker 2: game here, but I didn't pick it.
Speaker 1: Who We got it from your people that you want
Speaker 1: to do this game.
Speaker 2: I got a lot of good I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a good game. We got a lot of good games.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of good games. Chris, we can
Speaker 2: pick this one. We go to whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2: You were great in the snow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is we do a snow game. It's another one.
Speaker 1: It's another snow game I had.
Speaker 2: The other one had twenty yards, but this one had
Speaker 2: like one what you had to walk off tomoral quick.
Speaker 2: You said this before, and I should play, I said,
Speaker 2: brest Bran, he's lying.
Speaker 1: He I don't remember. He ain't playing no defense. And
Speaker 1: you know what. They looked it up and I said, oh, Ship,
Speaker 1: that's damn. I didn't know that. He jumped right over me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: looking at the sneak.
Speaker 2: But I gotta give you some flowers though, too, though,
Speaker 2: because I remember watching you play. You always play with
Speaker 2: like a lot of heart, tough, like who the little
Speaker 2: white dude over there? You gonna you making dudes miss?
Speaker 2: You catch the ball and you fight after the catch.
Speaker 2: You know that's something you only see a lot, you know.
Speaker 2: Dudes they hit the hit the deck when they yeah,
Speaker 2: wore my body out and you block block, got it
Speaker 2: on it, got it. When Wis didn't block for me,
Speaker 2: I would do stuff like this. I would run hardert
Speaker 2: ship into their back right, so I would have I
Speaker 2: had a lot of fast, got like Shawn Jackson backling,
Speaker 2: so they got smart.
Speaker 1: What they would do is that they're always blocking. They
Speaker 1: run the ground. They running a round. That's cool. Got
Speaker 1: expand though, that's but they got that type of speed.
Speaker 1: They got they they you know you're backing off a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, I'll run that. I will put my
Speaker 1: whole in the back boom. You gotta block, e god
Speaker 1: of block. Well, we don't know why you picked this game,
Speaker 1: but you have plenty of games, right I do. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of a lot of them, Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of good ones. Yeah. I like that. It's just
Speaker 1: set up like this is perfect.
Speaker 2: Facts like this whole John the transition from the Fox
Speaker 2: Sports Like, I like all this, You like that, this
Speaker 2: is this is how this is like a New England
Speaker 2: Rand podcast, very detailed, detail oriented, fundamentally sound like that.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, just Jack, That's what they say.
Speaker 3: Sloppiness is a disease.
Speaker 1: Sloppiness is a disease. It was you can't win until
Speaker 1: you keep from losing. We gotta we gotta preach those
Speaker 1: old things that I heard in New England to New
Speaker 1: England right now.
Speaker 2: My first year playing with a dude name of Patrick Chunk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're the same dragon class, but I didn't know him,
Speaker 2: you know, But when he came to Philadelphia from Patriots.
Speaker 2: I don't know what is about Patriots players that maybe
Speaker 2: it might be jealousy that you know players. I guess
Speaker 2: them only care from that much.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, guys don't. So we came to the cool dude.
Speaker 2: When I got to know him, and I remember saying, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this ain't all that Patriots scheme. This ain't gonna work here.
Speaker 2: You gotta tackle me. You don't talking trash to him
Speaker 2: like because I didn't respect his game, and he was
Speaker 2: the first dude I said, Okay, he can play. He's
Speaker 2: not the Patriots scheme. He actually is a good player,
Speaker 2: and we became cool after that.
Speaker 1: I beat him a lot, but he would get me sometimes.
Speaker 1: Chun Chum was good though we were drafting the same year.
Speaker 1: I'm two thousand and eight as well. Oh I don't know.
Speaker 1: Me and Chung we would fight every day in practice,
Speaker 1: like our first three years, every fucking day just because
Speaker 1: I had to come in and get the forest of safety.
Speaker 1: He'd be that guy, and there's like no brother in
Speaker 1: law in that practice like you. Sometimes you certain guys
Speaker 1: Chung where he would go hard, I'd go harder because
Speaker 1: Chung's feisty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he got he got little dog, he's got
Speaker 2: some he's got some dude's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you the same way. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of those guys that over there. How's the transition been
Speaker 1: going to TV? Fox? Because you're getting some play now
Speaker 1: full time on Speak. It used to just come in
Speaker 1: and they just said, hey, you know, want you minees
Speaker 1: was all.
Speaker 2: I won't say difficult, but it was different because like,
Speaker 2: I didn't go to a lot of different like boot
Speaker 2: camps and stuff like that, and I would do like
Speaker 2: media and stuff like that just as a player. And
Speaker 2: once I got done, I enjoyed a couple of months
Speaker 2: of just living like.
Speaker 1: I small things. I take your kids to school.
Speaker 2: I never can do that, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: I like this and traveling and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: then I got bored, right, I said, let me get
Speaker 2: into this whole TV thing. And I went in there
Speaker 2: and my people reached to, you know, different networks, and
Speaker 2: I felt more comfortable with Fox because you'd be more free.
Speaker 1: And I loved it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's helped me out with staying relevant in
Speaker 2: the football world, but also just I think a standpoint
Speaker 2: of like missing a game but being close enough where
Speaker 2: I'm not actually playing and getting hit.
Speaker 1: It's the best. It's because like we all need a
Speaker 1: foot fix if you're a football player, like and then
Speaker 1: you know, there's like a couple different avenues you can go.
Speaker 1: You can go coaching. But like when you were when
Speaker 1: you were a player and you were leaving work, which
Speaker 1: you were already putting in hell hours, your coaches families
Speaker 1: were in the fucking parking lot watching and saying hi
Speaker 1: before they go back for another three hours at least,
Speaker 1: you know, coaches, they work, so like you gotta love
Speaker 1: I love football, but I did my time. You know
Speaker 1: I can't. That's that's too much time. This is the
Speaker 1: perfect amount of time where you get your football fix.
Speaker 1: You get a little locker room vibe with the people
Speaker 1: that you're casting with, yes, where you guys could talk
Speaker 1: war stories and ship Like when I did inside the
Speaker 1: NFL for two years, you know, I had Phil Simms,
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis, Brandon Marshall. So you get to sit Mike Irvin,
Speaker 1: like you get to hear and like that's what you
Speaker 1: do in the locker room, bust each other's balls and
Speaker 1: talk shit. And then you get to have an actual
Speaker 1: life too with it, you know, So like that's the
Speaker 1: that's I think TV is awesome and you're keeps you
Speaker 1: in the game. Yeah, because now I'm watching more film
Speaker 1: with everyone. I used to just watch your opponent and
Speaker 1: just It's the hardest thing for me is knowing people's names.
Speaker 1: I just know people's numbers. You know, you study all right,
Speaker 1: he's quicker than fast. This that he's used off hand
Speaker 1: jam and you're just going numbers. Now you got to names.
Speaker 1: And that was one thing for me is that was.
Speaker 2: Tough because I've had some struggles with TV, like, for example,
Speaker 2: like now I'm getting better at it because I'm so
Speaker 2: raw and new at it. Where I called Dak Prescott ass,
Speaker 2: I'm lying, I say his ass ass, but in all reality,
Speaker 2: I should have said it different, like he's playing like
Speaker 2: ass because there's a lot of ass quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: He's not as ass. Yeah he ain't. Is he one ass?
Speaker 2: But I should have said more like he's playing like
Speaker 2: ass because I think he's an average average quarterback.
Speaker 1: Right, He's not.
Speaker 2: He's not He's not a Uh Jones or he's not
Speaker 2: a what's the guy from the Bears. He's not just that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, he's uh. I think he's
Speaker 2: like evers average.
Speaker 1: He's basically a cooler Kirk Cousins. I think they're the
Speaker 1: same person That's what I mean. But he's cooler, but
Speaker 1: his persona is cooler. I don't know about that. Kurt's
Speaker 1: got like nerd vibe and then like Dak's got brand,
Speaker 1: like you know something. He plays for the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much how cool he is, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: He don't come off as like cool, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: come off as a nerd.
Speaker 2: I don't think Kirk has come up as a nerd.
Speaker 2: He got the chains, only.
Speaker 1: Got the little thing. I don't. He comes on. He
Speaker 1: gives you nerd vibes. Okay, what else, that's how you
Speaker 1: see it. But anyway, all great quarterbacks have nerd in them.
Speaker 1: Though Tommy was not nerdy. Tom's got a little nerd
Speaker 1: in them. Bro do we Yeah he didn't. You didn't
Speaker 1: get to see real time. You guys ranted him. He
Speaker 1: ranted tom didn't open up a certain it's certain quarterbacks
Speaker 1: quarterbacks at gonna be cool overall anyway, Like Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: got a little nerd in him. He's like dorky nerds.
Speaker 1: Sometime I hung out with that kid before he was
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes his rookie year he got he just got
Speaker 1: a little nerd in him. I won't call him that,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I guess allolds are cool, but it's
Speaker 1: still nerds.
Speaker 2: All quarterbacks have like a a like not a not
Speaker 2: a cool thing. But it's like they're the quarterbacks, like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, They're not gonna be super now.
Speaker 2: Vic was super cool.
Speaker 1: Vigga is cool, but like the Shyburns. I tell him
Speaker 1: that every time I see him. I said, Yo, dude,
Speaker 1: I used to go to my barber and I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: give me the Vic cybers a little bit of er
Speaker 1: and go down to here, bro Viggas.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna lie when uh he came in Philadelphia my
Speaker 2: rookie year, me Deshaun and back when.
Speaker 1: We're all young and he was god and we was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: Michael Victor stopped in the building. Now we came through.
Speaker 1: Hold up, Mike, what's up? What's up? What's upro nice?
Speaker 1: Meet drowing me. I'm shady. Nice to me.
Speaker 2: He leaves like yo, my hand, like oh go my mom,
Speaker 2: like no vixer. So that was a crazy thing to
Speaker 2: be like that. He like the everybody's idol. It'd be
Speaker 2: games where like dudes are going back and forth and it'
Speaker 2: getting disrespect.
Speaker 1: Vic speak everybody chill out. So he was cool.
Speaker 2: But as far as quarterbacks, they all are just like
Speaker 2: okay with the whole coolness and all that.
Speaker 1: Vic's different status for when it comes to swag though,
Speaker 1: like okay, you can't put Vic in nerd category, you know,
Speaker 1: but a lot of quarterbacks Josh Allen, what you gonna
Speaker 1: say about him? He's got a little nerd, does he? No? No, nah,
Speaker 1: what you say about him? I said, you don't know
Speaker 1: the word that is not nerd. It's gonna be he
Speaker 1: got reckless in them. Yeah, there's a lot of that.
Speaker 1: It's it's, it's, it's it's it's so much over he's
Speaker 1: so reckless. I'm just saying it's over over, not over.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like we keep on saying that the
Speaker 1: same thing about Josh Allen each year. He's that tchallenge
Speaker 1: he's gonna make. I know, but when does it become
Speaker 1: a problem?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: He got he listened. I was I was on TV
Speaker 1: talking about this.
Speaker 2: They thought I was tripping. I said, if a guy
Speaker 2: like that Prescott throws, has the most picks last year
Speaker 2: and plays five less games.
Speaker 1: Right, everybody's alarmed, like, oh, what the heck is?
Speaker 2: Right, But when there's certain talented dudes, but they're ceiling
Speaker 2: is so high and their baggage, shit, they could be productive.
Speaker 1: Running the ball, throwing the ball, but they're gonna bring picks.
Speaker 1: You're gonna take that luggage just because he's so good
Speaker 1: and a dude like Brett Farr had a lot of
Speaker 1: that in it. Only one one, only one one. He
Speaker 1: been there twice. You know, hard is to win championships.
Speaker 1: See See that's the.
Speaker 2: Problem that Patriots people have. Y'all think everybodyless win championships
Speaker 2: every year. It don't happen like that. Brother, nerds are
Speaker 2: no nerves.
Speaker 1: They don't win like that. If you're an all time
Speaker 1: great at that position, you should have more. Like there's
Speaker 1: less than you think.
Speaker 3: Especially when he got Belichick.
Speaker 1: There's less than you think.
Speaker 2: Especially old How many of course you ges is run
Speaker 2: around is having all these championships? You think Peyton Man
Speaker 2: is a great quarterback right right too, he only has two.
Speaker 2: Drew Brees is one of the most accurate cours I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. He has one Aaron Rodgers is so great.
Speaker 1: Here's one. So when you look at these numbers, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're lower on the totem pull of the greats.
Speaker 1: Who's at the top. What you play? He's the best
Speaker 1: player out of everybody. Tom Is you got Joe Montana
Speaker 1: at four? What he had? Four championship? Yeah? Who else?
Speaker 1: Come on, she's gonna get real hard.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, it gets hard with the multiple but
Speaker 2: you have to like, I don't know, man like Seork
Speaker 2: Tradman has how many three?
Speaker 1: How good was he? It was? You know where we
Speaker 1: talking about, No, we're nerd. These guys were talking about.
Speaker 1: Do you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So when I look at Josh if you went up
Speaker 2: with Josh Allen, when I saw I played with him
Speaker 2: as a rookie, he's he always had that ending.
Speaker 1: He gets real wild up, he gets I know, and
Speaker 1: that's something you think you could coach out of a guy.
Speaker 2: But we're here seven now. I don't think he'll talk.
Speaker 2: I don't think you'll never get rid of that. I
Speaker 2: think he gets maybe lose.
Speaker 1: Your games so shady and he hadn't won a super
Speaker 1: Bowl yet. He's got he's got a talented roster see
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I got very talented roster. People
Speaker 1: be talking like he's a loser. He's not. He's not
Speaker 1: a loser.
Speaker 2: So up so the same the same way he's been playing.
Speaker 2: He's played that same way for the last three four years.
Speaker 1: Right, I would say he's he's gotten a little worse
Speaker 1: ever since Stayball left. But day Ball a coach doesn't
Speaker 1: know that he's I mean, yeah, I know, but he's.
Speaker 1: But when you say he's, he's his production. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: been electric and he's No one's taking talent away from
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, but I'm saying I'm saying him at the
Speaker 1: quarterback position executing at a high level. And we can
Speaker 1: all talk about the regular season and stuff, but these
Speaker 1: things are happening in the most important games that he's playing,
Speaker 1: where he's turning the ball over in the red area's
Speaker 1: turn and.
Speaker 2: It's it's constantly happening. When is it like, all right,
Speaker 2: we gotta like, what what do you do with that?
Speaker 1: I hope you don't. I mean, what do you do
Speaker 1: with that? Which which you option?
Speaker 2: Especially with such a quarterback dense league, Right, so so
Speaker 2: there's an option that because that team's gonna blow up
Speaker 2: here soon put the option that I'm about to say
Speaker 2: that can't happen.
Speaker 1: It's just you get rid of me. No, You're not
Speaker 1: gonna get rid of me.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is maybe he can change turn it
Speaker 2: down a little bit. But that's what he is. And
Speaker 2: if you look at the numbers, right, the dude wins,
Speaker 2: bro he wins you. But I'm not saying but he
Speaker 2: wins in that fashion. He wins in that wold fashion.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw the ball crazy, I'm running about why
Speaker 2: I'm a fumble, but we're gonna win this game.
Speaker 1: The truth an Andy Reid Patrick Mahomes team don't make
Speaker 1: those mistakes in the playoffs. That's true. And we're not
Speaker 1: talking I'm not talking about Josh Allen as like a
Speaker 1: seven to eight quarterback. We're talking about him vying to
Speaker 1: be a number one quarterback in this league. And with
Speaker 1: those kind of things, that's that's where I'm putting him
Speaker 1: because of the talent he needs to be in that
Speaker 1: upper echelon and like those things. Thinks there's no other
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league like him.
Speaker 2: There isn't, Bro No, So it's like and it all
Speaker 2: got different superpowers and got a superpower.
Speaker 1: You know that he is the most all of them.
Speaker 2: So I heard from a player that played with him
Speaker 2: and the guy that has played with Daniel Jones, and
Speaker 2: he says Daniel Jones is way more accurate than them.
Speaker 2: And the thing is that, dude you're talking about you
Speaker 2: shouldn't even talk to him. No more about no sports.
Speaker 2: That should be a last conversation. Should you should go
Speaker 2: to something?
Speaker 1: So what you eat? Accuracy? Pure accuracy? Is playing right now? No?
Speaker 1: Or is he where's he living at? I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm not throwing no, no, no. The next question
Speaker 1: have been dangn So what are you eating? Were eating
Speaker 1: tonight for for dinner? Do you where you want to? Like?
Speaker 1: After he said that issue, no more football conversation, ever,
Speaker 1: how's the kids? Like? You know what I'm saying? Like
Speaker 1: as nice car? You got bro like a subject? What
Speaker 1: was he talking about? Jones? Like that?
Speaker 2: Look like he Come on, man, I ain't about to
Speaker 2: dis dagl Jones because he did it. He did hisself enough.
Speaker 2: What are we talking about?
Speaker 1: Next question? Name? So we got a segment where we
Speaker 1: go back in the time of where this game took place.
Speaker 1: This game took place December tenth, twenty seventeenth, and the
Speaker 1: number one movie was Coco. You ever seen that. I've
Speaker 1: never heard that movie. It's like it's a animation, right,
Speaker 1: it's what do the kids?
Speaker 2: Rocky, I gotta do this all day.
Speaker 1: He's kind of he easy, he's he's a lovey, lovey dovey. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Number one song rock Star by post Malone that went,
Speaker 1: I love that song, Featur post Malone. I remember when
Speaker 1: Molly ma mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I was at his house and I met post
Speaker 2: Malone because before he was big and he was like, yo,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be I'm gonna be a big ass star.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him like you. He smell the cigarettes.
Speaker 1: He was braided then too right, braided. Yes, I said, well,
Speaker 1: good luck, and sure enough he's a big star. And
Speaker 1: happy for him.
Speaker 2: Man, there's always that cigarette had me trick for a second.
Speaker 2: What he's like, twenty some years old, a.
Speaker 1: Little cigarette, big star, man, I'm telling you, man, and
Speaker 1: man he did it happy. So you thought that because
Speaker 1: of the cigarette, like the way he smoked the cigarette,
Speaker 1: it was cool factor that maybe it could happen or.
Speaker 2: What was it was more like I never seen a
Speaker 2: twenty some year old kids smoking cigarettes. I never really
Speaker 2: you grew up in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: No smoked cigarettes out there.
Speaker 2: They smoke weed at twenty two years old. Twenty two Yeah,
Speaker 2: it ain't cigarettes is like an old people thing. It's
Speaker 2: probably a coastal thing. Like your grandma, Hey, go get
Speaker 2: me a lucy from the from the store.
Speaker 1: Okay, grandma, go get the cigarette. Yeah you got. We
Speaker 1: used to have to give him note, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But the kids like twenty twe twenty and
Speaker 1: they smokeing weed. Everyone. Now there is a vape. All
Speaker 1: these kids vape bro It's crazy. They evade the flavored tobacco.
Speaker 2: I know, but I guess the look of a cigarette
Speaker 2: like some old people thinking like and kind of cool.
Speaker 1: And he was he just right, he's my cigarettes. Nah.
Speaker 1: Oh he smoked like this though. That's really killed me,
Speaker 1: Like oh, you know.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, like, oh, that was like this right
Speaker 3: then he turns around and dropped white irons. Old come
Speaker 3: on right like one.
Speaker 1: Of my favorite songs smoked cigarettes. You know that party.
Speaker 1: I went out to Amsterdam of Nice and he was
Speaker 1: performing there and we got linked up and we played
Speaker 1: beer bong before and after the show. For hours. He
Speaker 1: was this is cool, dude, cool, cool as hell cool
Speaker 1: the circuits for a loop. Yeah at twenty you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So if you're smoking cigarettes and you're
Speaker 1: under the age of twenty two, shady things, this is like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you right trip there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta go to Europe. All the kids down
Speaker 1: there are smoking. We need to get we need to
Speaker 1: just have you do PSAs for non smoking for anyone
Speaker 1: I'm under the age of twenty two, I'm not on it.
Speaker 1: I'm just I love that. That's good. We got children.
Speaker 1: You got a three year old, I got a six
Speaker 1: year old. I agree. I just do we need PSA?
Speaker 1: I figure shady. You know around this time, Virgil drops
Speaker 1: his Nike collabse the ten You remember, do you have
Speaker 1: any Virgils? I never really got into his. I don't
Speaker 1: really wear sneakers. I were like shoes. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Products. I don't really get crazy with like
Speaker 1: how much you know you're rich?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, just never even when I was
Speaker 2: a kid, Like, I mean, can we just we haven't
Speaker 2: even talked about the Oh no, that does it spin?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, the spinners that that was her time.
Speaker 1: I'm not a crazy jewelry I used to do, You're
Speaker 1: not a crazy jewelry guy. You have a big ass
Speaker 1: piece on it. And I watched that. It is literally
Speaker 1: we had to put that blind up there so the
Speaker 1: light wouldn't hit me in the eye off those diamonds.
Speaker 2: There was a certain time and I was like crazy
Speaker 2: with it. If I was to tell you some of
Speaker 2: the dumb stuff I used to purchase, I thought I
Speaker 2: was a rapper.
Speaker 1: I think I don't know. But anyway, what this crazy
Speaker 1: jewey on not no more's like this is likes. This
Speaker 1: is like you can't do it in l A either.
Speaker 1: You get ganged out here. I mean, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: wherever I'm at in the city. I don't know your
Speaker 1: purse took. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's la is crazy like Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: It's different now though one's way way worse yees, but
Speaker 2: it's I've.
Speaker 1: Been seeing people like I watched those videos, like I
Speaker 1: seen dudes getting taken out of cars over on Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: taking out the car. Yeah for a watch for those
Speaker 1: AP's or those That's why Richard Mills. Crazy question. What
Speaker 1: was life like for Lashawn McCoy in twenty seventeen? So
Speaker 1: how many years in are you right now? You're probably
Speaker 1: what five? Six? Yeah, so I'm thinking you're bretted, Yeah, bredded,
Speaker 1: You're bretted. This was in Buffalo.
Speaker 2: So I had a I had a big deal in Philly,
Speaker 2: and then when I got traded in fifteen, they gave
Speaker 2: me a new deal. I remember, you got trade yourself pissed.
Speaker 2: I would like to feel like this guy is gonna
Speaker 2: be a problem in our division.
Speaker 1: And then uh so something was nice. Man. This year
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl year like six and Russian I think fifth
Speaker 1: and Rusling. That a good year.
Speaker 2: We didn't win, went to the playoffs this year, though,
Speaker 2: you know, Buffalo was that was a that was tough,
Speaker 2: that transition from going to philid up at the Buffalo,
Speaker 2: you know, because because like my home, my house where.
Speaker 1: I grew up at, it's an hour away from the stadium.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, So getting traded, I was like it was
Speaker 2: just I was the best, second best friend the team
Speaker 2: at the time behind Jason Peters. Oh, he's the best
Speaker 2: part to play with not being a quarterback. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I played with some dudes Jason. Jason was like different anyway.
Speaker 2: And then going there, I was just like, damn, I
Speaker 2: just didn't feel comfortable. Small things you don't even think of,
Speaker 2: like have a bad game, I'm going home, not to
Speaker 2: my house where I live at, but to my my
Speaker 2: house where my parents live at our away.
Speaker 1: Small things like that, and all my family was there
Speaker 1: and everything. And then go on the Buffalo. It's not
Speaker 1: a big city. You know, it's cold, there's nothing really
Speaker 1: there for easy. It's cold, but I got to love it.
Speaker 1: It's a great city though. Good people that live.
Speaker 2: There, have some good coaches, got great fans, great fans.
Speaker 2: Those fans are nuts.
Speaker 1: And I was sitting like like on our way in
Speaker 1: and out, I was it was like it was like
Speaker 1: a thing you got ready for. When you see all
Speaker 1: the fucking crazy ship people jumping bro.
Speaker 2: Stuff, people think real quick they think it's a game.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, yo, that stuff they do on TV, all
Speaker 2: that they doing for real.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Our first we had our first Thursday night game in Buffalo.
Speaker 2: They didn't haveing it for so long. Right, it was Thursday,
Speaker 2: the game Monday, there were r vs parked out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, the game ain't for three more days.
Speaker 1: They go crazy crazy. Yeah, so that's there's like a
Speaker 1: camping area it is. Yes, it's weird. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: love Buffalo. What happened in sports NFL MVP Tom Brady
Speaker 1: we both played for. I got a question who's better?
Speaker 2: Tom or hold On? Don't know more questions about that.
Speaker 2: Tom is the best player to ever touch football. So
Speaker 2: you know, until Mahomes goes out there and the homes
Speaker 2: as bad as he is. My homes is my first
Speaker 2: practice with him. Andy Reed is tight. My first practice.
Speaker 2: I get there and he faced the ball the year
Speaker 2: this is twenty twenty no no, no, no, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: takes the ball face to me.
Speaker 1: I run outside and.
Speaker 2: He's I'm thinking he's gonna throw he looks, he looks
Speaker 2: me off right. I'm like the third option, you know,
Speaker 2: the look the check down. He's looking like he's about
Speaker 2: to throw the.
Speaker 1: Ball to like an over route. Makes sense. He whips
Speaker 1: that shit to me.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've never seen a quarterback throw a bullet. No, look,
Speaker 2: that was the first time ever seen it. And Andy
Speaker 2: Reed smiled at me like, you know, I'm a gang
Speaker 2: Like this dude is really that good, bro. And he
Speaker 2: was so good that he taught me that the stuff
Speaker 2: he was doing he only started for because he sat
Speaker 2: the bench the first year.
Speaker 1: People don't know that. The next year he came out.
Speaker 1: He went crazy. But he was so good. He wasn't
Speaker 1: even like he needed more development.
Speaker 2: So like small things dropping back in the pocket, the
Speaker 2: pressure comes, I'm gonna step up, liver the ball.
Speaker 1: He didn't do that. He would wait, he would he
Speaker 1: would run around all that crazy shit because he still
Speaker 1: was learning. He'll still do from saying.
Speaker 2: Yo, in three four, five years, this league is gonna
Speaker 2: be scary because this dude is gonna get better.
Speaker 1: And it's better. He's already he's alread up. Heiod is good.
Speaker 1: He gets better, it's gonna be scary. It already is,
Speaker 1: it already is. And he throws a football like a
Speaker 1: bit like baseball. Everything like a baseball. His pops, his
Speaker 1: pops is funny too. I spoke that barrow. You didn't
Speaker 1: see that? Oh you didn't see that the vid? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: after was it after the super Bowl? Damn arrow head, God,
Speaker 1: damn barrel head. I'm smoking that barrel. I love that.
Speaker 1: He seems like a character. Yeah, the ice cool, he
Speaker 1: seems cool. Eagles one Mayweather McGregor fight. That was Did
Speaker 1: you watch that? We in Brentwood? But oh, j God,
Speaker 1: in prison? We are? Can we go see his house?
Speaker 1: We can't after if you want, it's.
Speaker 2: The juice real quick. I don't condone none of that craziness.
Speaker 2: But the juice was loose when he got out of jail. Oh,
Speaker 2: he's definitely loose out of jail.
Speaker 1: Though. My number was the first jersey he wore. Can
Speaker 1: I brag about that? Or no? I mean, it is
Speaker 1: the juice? Jack? Can he brag about that?
Speaker 3: I mean, how many people can say that?
Speaker 1: Is? You?
Speaker 3: Guys ever meet?
Speaker 1: We talked on We talked. I think we did talk before.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, I don't really get talked too much.
Speaker 2: He can't, you know what I mean. I don't know
Speaker 2: I pissed him off. I might not even, but I
Speaker 2: just want I was. I'm a fan of his football stuff.
Speaker 1: The glove don't fit.
Speaker 2: You must have quit for they said recipes Johnny Cochran, Dude,
Speaker 2: he's safe up there.
Speaker 1: That was insane, that whole thing.
Speaker 2: Did you want watch the documentary? Yeah, there's like I've
Speaker 2: watched them all. I remember it like it was yesterday.
Speaker 1: It was. It was the ninety four or something. Did
Speaker 1: he do it? Definitely did it? Didn't he? And my dog?
Speaker 1: I mean it? This is crazy, right, let's say it's
Speaker 1: so ship Yeah yeah. So what we're doing in social
Speaker 1: man social media in two thousand and seventeen, well we
Speaker 1: got jack Man.
Speaker 3: We were a couple of weeks before this game. They
Speaker 3: announced we had the color rush going for for the Bills,
Speaker 3: that all reds.
Speaker 1: Those we're kind of fire.
Speaker 3: And then uh afterwards, of course, to help the Bills
Speaker 3: get in the playoffs, Andy Dalton beat the Ravens, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: He did ra Yop Yop and his They saw some
Speaker 2: on his money. What's it called like the gofund me?
Speaker 3: That's right, but it raised like tons of money.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert. I thought she was about to put up
Speaker 1: there about the the Avengers. Oh, we did justlide slide,
Speaker 1: and we knew about that. You told everyone I followed you.
Speaker 1: I never watched the movie because you gave me the spot.
Speaker 1: Knew what happened.
Speaker 2: You gotta blame my eleven year old son, because you know,
Speaker 2: first of all, I want to pole out to the
Speaker 2: people out there.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I take full accountability for that. I should
Speaker 1: have known better.
Speaker 2: But the thing is as accountable as a as an
Speaker 2: all pro running back. I never just I wasn't big
Speaker 2: on watching green monsters fight each other, but when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, I did. I loved the Heart when
Speaker 2: I was a kid. Woll Ring Spider Man when I
Speaker 2: was a child.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 2: But as a daughter, I'm not watching that, but my
Speaker 2: son does. And we have this thing where I treat
Speaker 2: like an adult. Right, We have interviews, So I'm always like,
Speaker 2: you need to communicate better, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So why do you have bed there in school? And
Speaker 2: I need him sit there and tell me why. So
Speaker 2: we start doing that and it became an interview process.
Speaker 2: And from so I have a bad game and my
Speaker 2: son will be like, well, Dad, well what happened you
Speaker 2: with the ball?
Speaker 1: Like right? So we go to movies to do the
Speaker 1: same thing. The thing is the movie was so such
Speaker 1: a big movie.
Speaker 2: So when when Iron Man dude died, it was like
Speaker 2: an interview, like who man, how you feel about himdying?
Speaker 2: And and that's how it happened, That's how the truth.
Speaker 2: And then I tweeted about it. You know, so, but
Speaker 2: you don't want to hear that. You don't care about
Speaker 2: that you ruined. A lot of those people are probably
Speaker 2: really mad about that.
Speaker 1: People get mad about I've been in the grocery store.
Speaker 2: I see an old, old lady or old man, and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about talking about fantasy because you know, from
Speaker 2: there's never been running back to have better numbers than
Speaker 2: fantasy from twenty ten, from a one decade.
Speaker 1: That's truth all decade tear. Yeah, right, So I'm thinking, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: show you on my fantasy man. Oh, it cuts me.
Speaker 1: You you spoiled in games. I'm like, oh, she's pussed man,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Can I Can I pay for your groceries?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You pay for a grocery Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I respect my elders. He was
Speaker 1: cussing me out? Was it he or she? She? And
Speaker 1: hey they both did it before kids.
Speaker 2: All type of kids parents. I'm thinking when Simon udograss,
Speaker 2: they want to cuts me out of the Avengers. So
Speaker 2: that was and I lost a lot of Alexis deal.
Speaker 2: See this is hitting me deep. Now he lost money,
Speaker 2: but residuals by Alexis Deal that they took from me
Speaker 2: because I spoiled.
Speaker 1: The end games. I'm thinking, like, damn Lexis. People they
Speaker 1: y'all care about this big franchise it is.
Speaker 2: I don't know's that's a big At the internet, you
Speaker 2: had all the rocks if I did this for her
Speaker 2: and it took it back and then I don't know
Speaker 2: until next time.
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Speaker 1: teams the Indianapolis Colts this two battle, I.
Speaker 3: Mean awful, awful year for the Colts four and twelve
Speaker 3: years about right? That sounds about we? I mean, LeJean,
Speaker 3: if you didn't know on this podcest we hate the Colts.
Speaker 1: On this podcast, we just had grond Con and he
Speaker 1: did not like the Colts. You don't. I wonder why
Speaker 1: you like your guys? Was like in competition or something
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 3: They're there because.
Speaker 1: They're the ones that did the Flake Gates stuff. Oh
Speaker 1: but well you guys do cheat. No, we don't jest,
Speaker 1: I got a story. What's your story? One time we're
Speaker 1: practicing for the playoffs? What team?
Speaker 2: One year we're in Tampa with a quarterback that you
Speaker 2: are familiar with, and we're practicing in uh.
Speaker 1: In times that hold up, we gotta stop. We can't.
Speaker 1: We can't do these plays right now.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, why not Look at all these windows
Speaker 2: out here, like these windows are people probably? We think
Speaker 2: like no, Like, man, no, they not listen. I'm telling y'all,
Speaker 2: people can be in these windows watching the practice. We
Speaker 2: can't do no more.
Speaker 1: So what we do.
Speaker 2: We had to take the practice in the in the indoor.
Speaker 2: So when when we're all hanging out like the Office
Speaker 2: of Players, some of the coaches we laughed at, were like, yo,
Speaker 2: there maybe some truth to that Patriot stuff, because out
Speaker 2: of everybody, it's freaking fifty three players and all the
Speaker 2: other coaches. Now one person anything about practicing outside of
Speaker 2: the playoffs. But one man, you let me know what
Speaker 2: you think about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he knows that people may be out there
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 2: You never know, you fellow, check and listen. But I
Speaker 2: will say this, it's growing up in the hood. If
Speaker 2: you're not cheating, you ain't trying, so I respect it.
Speaker 2: What do you there's no cheating?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, back to the coach, back to back
Speaker 1: to the coach. Baby. This was the last year. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, last thing after that day.
Speaker 2: We've never had a practice outside of of the because
Speaker 2: it's so the outside practice field.
Speaker 1: It's like it was that a hotel or something. We
Speaker 1: never did it ever again. Let you know that Tommy
Speaker 1: said weed not going out there because anybody can watch.
Speaker 1: That just tells me that people that were in charge
Speaker 1: didn't have the right mindset and cheat. Man, Come on, now,
Speaker 1: come on, get out of here.
Speaker 3: This was the last year of Chuck Pegano and Indie.
Speaker 3: They got some notable names. This was Jacoby Brissett, Vinettieri,
Speaker 3: Darius Butler, t Y Hilton, Frank Gore, Frank.
Speaker 1: Gore beast notable names on the Indie only well he
Speaker 1: was a quarterback, starting quarterback for the game that we're
Speaker 1: about to dive into. I mean, okay, I.
Speaker 3: Guess Jacoby catching strays?
Speaker 1: No, Jacoby, who do we got out here? Let's should
Speaker 1: go to the bills. Let's go bill what we got bills?
Speaker 1: That's right? You see the boys, You see boys, you
Speaker 1: see he's right on top though. Number one, my boy,
Speaker 1: Tye ride you Gota Jones balling.
Speaker 2: You got Matt Milano. Matt Malana bought out yesterday. Mike
Speaker 2: Tobart was really good for the Panthers from Beast Peterman.
Speaker 1: He's from pit, your pit guy. Do you remember running
Speaker 1: back back in the day in Pennsylvania and Eugene Jarvis, Yes,
Speaker 1: that was my running back. He beat my ass one
Speaker 1: day in college like five foot six. He was truth though.
Speaker 3: He was the truth.
Speaker 2: We played him in So how about this that year
Speaker 2: you're talking about they won a championship.
Speaker 1: He played for Central Catholic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all boys school. Anyway, we were top tartor we
Speaker 2: were top you know what I mean. I was averaging
Speaker 2: like three hundred dards a game. We played them.
Speaker 1: They shut me down and he went crazy and they
Speaker 1: beat us. He was a little monster. He was all right,
Speaker 1: Jackie will go back. Sorry you said, Pitt. I forgot
Speaker 1: to get that in.
Speaker 3: Oh, no, you're all good. I was going down a
Speaker 3: little bit of Central Catholic rabbit hole over here. First
Speaker 3: year of Sean McDermott and as Leshawn alluded to earlier,
Speaker 3: this was the year that snapped the eighteen year playoff
Speaker 3: drought for.
Speaker 1: The eighteen year because we're tough this year they were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, didn't like playing the Bills, all right, you
Speaker 2: didn't like the Bills really.
Speaker 1: Nah, I mean you guys are always tough to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was I mean, if we lost, it was
Speaker 1: something we did. Yeah, that's true. That is I can't lie.
Speaker 1: You're right, right, you're right. They were always competitive and
Speaker 1: then you know at the by the time I left,
Speaker 1: you could see him getting better and better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's different now. They can't wait to
Speaker 2: pay the Patriots. Now they can't wait like it was.
Speaker 1: You know, but it's kind of like this shady It's
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, they're the big brothers in
Speaker 1: the division right now, right, big brothers. Yeah, they're like
Speaker 1: the big bro or like the little brother that gets
Speaker 1: his ass beat by the big bro all the time
Speaker 1: him now right, like kind of like that. But now
Speaker 1: like when we were the big brother we could go
Speaker 1: out and beat the ship of all the brothers, you know,
Speaker 1: Now we look at it at the Bills and we're like, man,
Speaker 1: our big brother just they can't he still can't beat
Speaker 1: up that one kid.
Speaker 2: I just I could never go against that because you
Speaker 2: guys were your big big brothers, like big big uncles.
Speaker 1: I can't you know, you're right. I just it don't matter.
Speaker 1: I don't even matter. I don't even get into it.
Speaker 1: You're right, he's a little instigator, I can tell right now.
Speaker 1: Talking about what else, Jack, how was McDermott as a coach?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: So I have a dermin in Philadelphia. He was the
Speaker 2: deepest coordinator. So you already know him. Good dude, good family,
Speaker 2: very smart, passionate. You know, everywhere he's been, he's been
Speaker 2: successful for a reason.
Speaker 1: Good coach. Can't say nothing bad about him? Yeah, what's he?
Speaker 1: What's he hurting over there? Right now? He's big on.
Speaker 1: He's big on, like fundamentally sound doing like because you
Speaker 1: can tell he must pull his hair out when he's bald.
Speaker 1: But like when josh A throws pick.
Speaker 2: He can't do anything about it this because like, you
Speaker 2: can't coach it, can't coach it because you talk about it, guys,
Speaker 2: they'll think about it. Yeah, and then it's see, I
Speaker 2: don't I mean some things. I feel like it's an attitude.
Speaker 2: So in a mindset where sometimes right, I didn't really
Speaker 2: fumble the ball. Really, that won't my thing, you know,
Speaker 2: But if I ever have a fumble, because I did,
Speaker 2: held the ball real, real loose, and it will be
Speaker 2: like it would be constant my head. So now when
Speaker 2: I'm playing and running, when I get close to some ship,
Speaker 2: I'm like boom.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that with Josh that I can't
Speaker 2: figure out is like from office of corninators deepesst coordinators
Speaker 2: to coaches.
Speaker 1: To players you were, you would go to what you
Speaker 1: know best when you're more comfortable with.
Speaker 2: So we can't really change as much if deeps coordinator
Speaker 2: when it's the game's real tight and you have you
Speaker 2: gotta have this play, gotta have to stop.
Speaker 1: He's gonna do what he's always done. Same was an
Speaker 1: offic coordinator.
Speaker 2: So my thing with Josh, I understand he plays reckless,
Speaker 2: but it gotta be a point where like, all right,
Speaker 2: I gotta be a little more cautious of.
Speaker 1: What I'm doing. I think he will. I mean someone's
Speaker 1: good that I don't think. I don't think he will.
Speaker 2: I just think he can do it a little bit right,
Speaker 2: almost change when you she's got to capture it in
Speaker 2: a bottle, man, fucking I don't know, I.
Speaker 1: Just like lightning.
Speaker 2: Like even some of the plays like yo, why why
Speaker 2: are you throwing this ball? There?
Speaker 1: He throws into team meetings. There is like when we
Speaker 1: were playing him at the end where like you can
Speaker 1: tell they were they were tough. I remember like eight
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen. It was hard to beat those dudes, but
Speaker 1: we always counted on he was one. He's gonna give
Speaker 1: us one or two. Just don't turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. He's gonna give you five opportunities.
Speaker 2: I know, I know for really, and he's also gonna
Speaker 2: make these players that are gonna light you up. But
Speaker 2: there's gonna be that one, two, maybe three hours. It's
Speaker 2: like when he's like because even though when he threw
Speaker 2: the deep one the pick, he could get his ring
Speaker 2: that shit at the first dame why you?
Speaker 1: And then it's two deals on dig he's all mad
Speaker 1: and he's gotta he gotta show everyone why he's all Madden.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of losses. All right, let's do the
Speaker 1: game lead up with Jackie.
Speaker 3: Leading into this one, we already touched on the Colt's
Speaker 3: four game losing streak. They were in free fall, the
Speaker 3: Bills trying to end that playoff drought. Coming into this
Speaker 3: one with playoff hopes still alive.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Nathan Peterman got his first home start this week. This
Speaker 3: is a couple of weeks after the infamous five interception game.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that one, Shady? Remember that it was
Speaker 3: out here in l A.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, one, two, three, four? I mean and didn't
Speaker 1: hold up.
Speaker 2: Even before the game started, Tyrod Taylor was doing solid, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, his best receiver was Calvin Benjamin.
Speaker 1: He just came in. He ain't even yeah, he's like
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee. So he's like, you know what.
Speaker 1: He had a meeting with the captains. I'm a captain.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: I was a captain and he's like, hey, we're thinking
Speaker 2: about starting Tyrod, or we're think about starting Nadan Peterman
Speaker 2: I said, oh cool, cool, al right. So after the
Speaker 2: met and he said, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 2: I said, coach, I don't love it. Tyrod, I ain't
Speaker 2: been playing that bad. And you know Nate, Nate has
Speaker 2: looking great on scout team. Now he was killing a
Speaker 2: scout team though, like Tom Brady, you know, can't get
Speaker 2: hit in practice. He's I said, so why you I say, yeah,
Speaker 2: we still are in it a little bit. Why do
Speaker 2: you want to start him? He said, well, my thing
Speaker 2: is if we start him now, right, he's playing against
Speaker 2: the Chargers and at the time they were sharing the
Speaker 2: stadium at.
Speaker 1: Like a little the small little stadium.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, it won't be loud, right, you know,
Speaker 2: so that won't affect him, and we get him in
Speaker 2: the hospital environment.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 2: I said, that makes sense. I guess I get it,
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's right. And sure enough we
Speaker 2: got in that first game. He didn't take this time
Speaker 2: to throw them picks. He got that ship out the
Speaker 2: way early one pick, two pick, next drive, then the
Speaker 2: third job.
Speaker 1: I think I did my thing. I scored the fourth
Speaker 1: another pick. I'm said, all right, coach, what the what
Speaker 1: we trying to? What we doing? The end of score
Speaker 1: was fifty four to twenty four. Got our ass kicked,
Speaker 1: and then went back to Tyrod.
Speaker 2: Then then went back I think went back to Tyroda.
Speaker 1: I had to. That's that's a tough when you're when
Speaker 1: you're pulling quarterbacks in the middle of seasons. It's hard
Speaker 1: to pull a quarterback because what's the psych he's gonna
Speaker 1: go when you go back to him, and Tyrone wasn't
Speaker 1: bad player as well. I like Tyr. I always liked Tyrod.
Speaker 1: I love Tyron. I don't know, he always got a
Speaker 1: bad he always got a bad like, like, what's his name?
Speaker 1: Herbert became the guy after they punctured along Josh Allen here,
Speaker 1: like he's always been the guy before that. Good luck, Chuck,
Speaker 1: I find your quarterback. You might you just get Tyrod
Speaker 1: in there? What what's his name? Uh?
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones like why why why would I start him
Speaker 2: over a Tyrod?
Speaker 1: I'm just because he just paid him or something. Before that,
Speaker 1: Jones was like, he is so regular. Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 1: I can't defend it. I don't want to defend it.
Speaker 3: But the elephant in the room leading up to this
Speaker 3: game the weather, Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was ugly.
Speaker 3: It was snow. Team point seven inches of snow didn't
Speaker 3: stop the entire game. Nine inches during the game.
Speaker 1: Nine inches as buffet is crazy. I said, boys, let
Speaker 1: me get the rock. I got you. You said that
Speaker 1: pre game, Yeah, get the rock in front of the
Speaker 1: whole team, the pregame team.
Speaker 2: Where is that to the offense of boys, let me
Speaker 2: get the rock.
Speaker 1: It was a cool game. The cool thing about the snow.
Speaker 2: What people don't understand is that I love it so
Speaker 2: much because when I get tackled, it's like fall on pillows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the big fat dudes hit me. It don't hurt.
Speaker 1: Think about that hurt and they can't get attraction. But
Speaker 1: I can sign me up. It's an advent.
Speaker 2: I always played well on the snow as well as
Speaker 2: a house to punt in Chicago in the snow. Did
Speaker 2: you did you play any like like college games and so, yeah,
Speaker 2: Northern Illinois.
Speaker 1: I went to schooling in Ohio, Kent State. Knew. I
Speaker 1: knew that because that's where dream was. But we didn't play,
Speaker 1: you know, usually got to play deep into the season
Speaker 1: to get the we were done.
Speaker 2: So you play quarterback too, right, Yeah, you can throw
Speaker 2: that thing kind of not really, So what top quarterback was?
Speaker 2: I was like a running quarter I mean I ran
Speaker 2: for like fifteen hundred yards at three for like nineteen
Speaker 2: hundred yards my senior year.
Speaker 1: I could run it. It was me and Eugene. It
Speaker 1: was me and Eugene did like we had a little
Speaker 1: read in there and then we had a little play
Speaker 1: actions spread. We had like a West Coast spread offense
Speaker 1: with Doug Martin who had Doug Marton. Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: uh Matt Ryan at BC, so we used to watch
Speaker 1: it like the years before. But yeah, I have to
Speaker 1: take off and run that. Let's know how smart it is.
Speaker 1: So you play quarterback?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah that I could have had more yards.
Speaker 2: They gave all these other guys my carries. Why do
Speaker 2: you want thirty two carries?
Speaker 1: Thirty two that's your career high. Yeah, but look you
Speaker 1: don't feel it though. You see what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: don't hate me hard. Yeah. Yeah, it's like you're gonna
Speaker 1: slow because of the weather.
Speaker 2: It's like when you drive, you ain't gonna gonna slow,
Speaker 2: and then when you slam me, we're falling on some
Speaker 2: snow man, and you're sliding.
Speaker 1: The only thing about this game it was it was
Speaker 1: a lot colder than the game I had in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: So in between the TV timeouts or like, let's take
Speaker 2: it the first down, if I round the bounds, I'm
Speaker 2: taking the first playoff.
Speaker 1: I'm going to the heater to put my hands in there,
Speaker 1: and then second thing, I'm coming back. This game was
Speaker 1: cold as hell, and sometimes the snow it's not as cold,
Speaker 1: but this is like Buffalo is a whole different beast
Speaker 1: because like the snow. Usually it's probably like in the
Speaker 1: low thirties, high twenties, you get your cold games when
Speaker 1: it's fucking clear and there's you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like freezing the hands. You gotta keep the hands
Speaker 1: and feet. That's everything else will be all right.
Speaker 2: Speaking of hands, that catch you having the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: that was badass, Bro's that's that's concentration.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just hoping. I ran a shitty route.
Speaker 1: We were tired. It was like our ninetieth play, and
Speaker 1: we play a lot of plays that game, and like
Speaker 1: I had a middle read and I knew Tom was
Speaker 1: gonna come to me because we were hitting it all
Speaker 1: week in practice, and that's usually it goes. You hit
Speaker 1: him practice and we gotta go to it. We gotta
Speaker 1: go to it. And I was routing. I was running
Speaker 1: it good on the route, but I was tired. I
Speaker 1: banana my route. And the worst thing you see in
Speaker 1: a split safety man middle read is a dB that
Speaker 1: turns his eye back to the ball. He usually gonna
Speaker 1: pick because that's a twenty two yard throw, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, where they're gonna put it on a
Speaker 1: line when he tired, You're like, fuck, I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1: So I put the brake on and I dove in
Speaker 1: there just to try to knock it out. And one
Speaker 1: thing led to another, and I just that was my
Speaker 1: number one thing. Just found it. Don't let it get picked,
Speaker 1: you know, just do anything. And then it it came.
Speaker 1: I think it has to do with I did a
Speaker 1: lot of tennis ball drills so to have like read
Speaker 1: for my right green with my left and like you
Speaker 1: have to throw it over the shoulder, and I do
Speaker 1: it like every day, just the one with my eyes
Speaker 1: for practice, you know, or I wouldn't focus. I got
Speaker 1: really bad add so I always had to do things
Speaker 1: in order to keep me busy. So it'd always come
Speaker 1: up with these crazy drills before work. And I think
Speaker 1: probably had something to do with that, right, Like, you
Speaker 1: can't like, fucking it's great, you can't claim that catch.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't watch the game until so I
Speaker 1: landed and it was the square half time? Was it
Speaker 1: twenty eight or twenty one three?
Speaker 2: Right, something like that, three and a half. And then
Speaker 2: I said, Yo, the Patriot's gonna come back when this game.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, bro, I'm telling you, and that's.
Speaker 1: What y'all did.
Speaker 2: It was nuts because say I play all twice a year,
Speaker 2: so I know that ain't nothing. If y'all don't put
Speaker 2: them away, they gonna win.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Not the coaching, you know, you know the number wasn't it,
Speaker 2: But a lot of things always you know, the defense
Speaker 2: always made a big play.
Speaker 1: You know that there was always something we always had
Speaker 1: like a crazy like special teams play that, Like there
Speaker 1: was always someone that made a play. Anyone who had
Speaker 1: to make a play made a play.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm like this because I played the Patriots so much.
Speaker 2: I remember me and Rex Ryan like if they don't
Speaker 2: have time, Brady not the same team. Like even on
Speaker 2: doing this, I never was like nervous to play off.
Speaker 2: There's some teams I never was nervous to play, but
Speaker 2: just like, oh we gotta play them this week. All right,
Speaker 2: let me let's get together. We're like the Patrick have
Speaker 2: two three good players on defense, right, Like like Jamie
Speaker 2: they had a fifty four.
Speaker 1: Tower was good, but you always had you had role
Speaker 1: guys like Nikovich that knew how to set like they
Speaker 1: did their job. They would set their edge and like
Speaker 1: you couldn't run. He did his job. You wouldn't past
Speaker 1: and then you have on He was just okay, we
Speaker 1: had fifty six sacks. He was okay, I ain't gonna act,
Speaker 1: you know, like on tape. We ain't trying to where's
Speaker 1: fifty at fifty? Right? Yeah, yeah, we're not worry about
Speaker 1: where where fifty's at.
Speaker 2: Certain players they had on their it was like they
Speaker 2: was okay, but but they they'd let you go up
Speaker 2: and down the field.
Speaker 1: With yards, but in the red zone they cracked down.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I will say then, but don't break
Speaker 1: who want them to throw an interception? Let them, let
Speaker 1: them beat themselves. But then tighten it up in the.
Speaker 2: Red because we get three points, y'all gonna get seven.
Speaker 2: That shit starts tiling up. Or you're gonna make a mistake.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's I mean, that's that's literally what was coached.
Speaker 2: Let them make a mistake. I just just play fundamental football.
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean we both see it different ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we see it the same. He's so Frank
Speaker 1: gorege legacy or longevity. What do we got here?
Speaker 3: This was a battle between I mean you could go
Speaker 3: battle between the backs because they were passing much in
Speaker 3: the snow. What was What was that like going up
Speaker 3: against Frank Gore?
Speaker 1: Did you had to like pre pregame do you you
Speaker 1: ever say like who's the other? And in back you're like,
Speaker 1: let me let me so Frank one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: I thought, Frank.
Speaker 2: Week, that's my guy. He kind of like helped me
Speaker 2: to be better professional. You know, I would be training
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. We've trained together in Miami and uh,
Speaker 2: he had a name, It's Frank Gore. By the way,
Speaker 2: we go back so far because in college, my brother
Speaker 2: played for the Niners and uh and Frank Gore's I
Speaker 2: think it was his agent.
Speaker 1: Or that's your brother. Who's your real name? Loron McCoy
Speaker 1: he played years ago, you know, players ago. I was
Speaker 1: a Niners fan. But he he ain't do nothing like
Speaker 1: that for you to know. You don't know.
Speaker 2: He played for Arizona the Niners in the Texans. But anyway,
Speaker 2: we went to Frank gors house and I was like,
Speaker 2: Dahul come out of college. He's like, yeah, man, get
Speaker 2: to get out of there, go to the NFL. That's
Speaker 2: how I met him. So fast forward we get to
Speaker 2: the league. He's trained in Miami. His agent Drogs House,
Speaker 2: my age Draws house. So we start training together and
Speaker 2: I was like, man, my feet were bearing his ship.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I'm still younger though, but he was helping me get
Speaker 2: better and better and better because I didn't really train
Speaker 2: super hard after I arrived.
Speaker 1: It's just easy, like I ain't let no weights.
Speaker 2: But I would be in Vegas partying and Frankibe training
Speaker 2: where you at, man, get your ass here.
Speaker 1: I'm think like, damn shout, I'm staying Vegas, go work out.
Speaker 1: And I would go work out because Frank would call me.
Speaker 2: He was older than me, and he kind of helped
Speaker 2: me to be a professional man, you know, And that's
Speaker 2: how we became real real friends. So so so I
Speaker 2: never really like now there's other backs that I go
Speaker 2: to defense a y'all listen, they need to shut him down.
Speaker 1: Oh he's put me on the spot. He did just
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, one time is DeMarco Murray and at
Speaker 2: the time, this is the year that he had a
Speaker 2: really good year. Now we wasn't close as far as
Speaker 2: bringing backs, but he's had a really good year. I
Speaker 2: was like, I finished third, I think he was first,
Speaker 2: And uh, I said, hey, man, I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: this title again, right, rushing title. Make sure him get
Speaker 2: on yards, this and that, y'all shut him down. I
Speaker 2: got some money for your boys, you know. And guess
Speaker 2: what happened. They ain't shut him down. They ain't shut
Speaker 2: shit it down.
Speaker 1: He got busy and they beat us. And the last
Speaker 1: one was Adrian Pearson. Just because the pregame speeches defense.
Speaker 2: See this is way different from that that Patriots. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about yards and you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: They thinking about wins.
Speaker 1: I never heard anything. Yo, I have time. I'll be
Speaker 1: checking my stats. Damn he got that many yards. Damn
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Doing this passive passion to
Speaker 1: the defense. You y'are gonna play what like? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Adrian Pierce is another one, though, that's because he was
Speaker 2: so great.
Speaker 1: He's my favorite. He's one of my favorit running back violent.
Speaker 1: I think he's the best. I think he's the best
Speaker 1: back of all time. Bro what Barry Sayers is.
Speaker 2: But he's ap is the most complete like back's big, strong,
Speaker 2: can shakey when you pass you. He can't really catch
Speaker 2: or block, But all the other sudden that don't matter.
Speaker 2: The other stuff is back traditional just you know, God gifted.
Speaker 1: That's one. That's the only guy. I can say.
Speaker 2: Him and Barry they're probably better than me. All the
Speaker 2: mother dudes on how many yards they got, stats, they got, teams,
Speaker 2: they got Dan Dang. You know it's my opinion.
Speaker 1: Hey, I mean, you've seen a lot of football and
Speaker 1: you've ran a lot of yards in football.
Speaker 2: Because I don't be on these great teams, like come on, bro,
Speaker 2: like Charle Davis. I think he was good, but he ain't.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, Edgrian and James another one. They
Speaker 2: play on these great teams. If I told you to
Speaker 2: make a games, who's your favorite?
Speaker 1: You like them? How we played them? Line? Watch this,
Speaker 1: who's your favorite team? As a kid? Like you notice team?
Speaker 2: So if I say, yo, give me your all time
Speaker 2: Niners offense? Who Jo wont Hana is a quarterback? Jerry
Speaker 2: Jared and wide receivers. On the other side, you got
Speaker 2: Ricky Waters or you go with Frank gorson running.
Speaker 1: Back right, Brent Jones?
Speaker 2: It come on now, if I say, yo, give me,
Speaker 2: if I told you this, give me the all time
Speaker 2: Holt's offense. Who you're gonna say Edge James are running back?
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Pro Bowl voting.
Speaker 2: But hold, let's do it for a secondough, real quick,
Speaker 2: take some seconds. Edge James are running back.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone else you do. Peyton Manning at quarterback. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're talking about I thought you're going to here. Reggie
Speaker 1: Reggie Wae at wide receiver, Marverin Harrison, marn Harrison. You
Speaker 1: know I was his team, right, That's the team he
Speaker 1: played on every year. That's a team. And then soon
Speaker 1: you leave.
Speaker 2: So when you leave as an edging, the backup is
Speaker 2: the same ship you do. Who Joseph Hauld died from LSU?
Speaker 2: Do you get what I'm saying. I'm gonna help you out.
Speaker 2: My biggest years where I played the most football at
Speaker 2: was the Eagles. Since I've left, they finally had a
Speaker 2: one thousand yeard rusher with Mile Sanders.
Speaker 1: Last year they got rid of him. I said, we
Speaker 1: can't have this guy coming close to numbers.
Speaker 2: That's not he's been there for like four years. He's
Speaker 2: been for four years. He had one thousand yards.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 2: He's a good player, though. Thousand like non Ndred thousand,
Speaker 2: eleven hundred whatever, that's cool. The Bills, they still haven't
Speaker 2: had a thousand dard rusher. So my thing is, what
Speaker 2: is your real impact? If it's a good of a player,
Speaker 2: soon you leave the backup of the same thing. Na,
Speaker 2: how good are you really?
Speaker 1: Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, but what if
Speaker 1: they let's go what you what if the teams because
Speaker 1: they had such a dominant back, they were like running
Speaker 1: the ball. They had such the offense was built around
Speaker 1: the running back. Good, great, right, great question, And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they could just couldn't win the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. They couldn't get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: So they're like, fuck it, we're gonna We're getting rid
Speaker 2: of running back. We already had that insane running back.
Speaker 1: We want to we gotta we gotta evolve to what
Speaker 1: everyone else is that Maybe that someone can say that
Speaker 1: sort of coats So I told you that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you heard me. They had Peyton Manning. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when we go into the game, who who do
Speaker 2: you think we trying to stop? You think be about
Speaker 2: to pack the line of scrimmage up to stop Zwen James?
Speaker 2: Are we gonna stop paymin in that passing game?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Make him one dimensional? He stopped the run noways okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Well if you think that that's cool, I
Speaker 1: just you got it.
Speaker 2: Everything comes off the run game, whether you have one
Speaker 2: or not, I mean depends on I mean, I hear that.
Speaker 2: But then like there's some things that we throw the ball.
Speaker 2: We just we're throwing the ball. I personally haven't had
Speaker 2: a lot of open boxes running the ball.
Speaker 1: No you didn't. But what I'm saying is if I
Speaker 1: had a Pagan, I'm damn sure you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no one put No one put Eggar and
Speaker 2: James in all time. Great, he's Hall of Famer. You
Speaker 2: talk about Hall of Fame backs, right the difen you
Speaker 2: want it? This you asked for so were going to
Speaker 2: some of these these Hall of fame.
Speaker 1: Running James Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: He had a lot of yards though, didn't he He
Speaker 2: had a lot of carries too. See that's impressive though
Speaker 2: a lot of probably was healthy too. That's the thing
Speaker 2: about running backs. He had a lot of three hundred yards,
Speaker 2: three hundred carriers. I've only had one. That's impressive.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys get hurt, and we're seeing it
Speaker 1: right now. Guys came running the ball, like what's the
Speaker 1: number now, I don't know. They're saying every it's like
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty snaps for running back. They're like,
Speaker 1: if they play that or they have those carries, they're
Speaker 1: like going to get hurt. That's what the analytics team is. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. So when you see a guy that
Speaker 1: can do it repetively, like that's why Frank Gore was
Speaker 1: crazy to me, Like that dude carried the ball so much. Longevity.
Speaker 1: Longevity is huge in running back.
Speaker 2: But there's nobody that blocks Burn and Frank Gore. There's
Speaker 2: nobody that plays in the between the tackles. Bro he
Speaker 2: got good eyes downhill and he's always leaning forward. I've
Speaker 2: never seen my better than him at that.
Speaker 1: Now can He makes the right read always, and he
Speaker 1: knows how to manipulate blocks the double teams because they
Speaker 1: always had the double teams with them big boys out,
Speaker 1: you know, and he and you'll see a lot of
Speaker 1: like really, like that's the difference between a pro back
Speaker 1: and a college back. College backs can get away with
Speaker 1: not making the right lead in the defense. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: can run through arm tackles and stuff. When you get
Speaker 1: to the league, it's like there's a track that you
Speaker 1: have to run because of how the blocking schemes are.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know that until I got to the NFL,
Speaker 1: because I was like, this guy's gonna be hellogad we gotto.
Speaker 1: And then you see that he makes the cut, you know,
Speaker 1: three three steps to too early, and the guy sheds
Speaker 1: off the block.
Speaker 2: And that's that's one of the young The hardest thing
Speaker 2: is damn patient, there's a whole minute, no more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come off his heels. They always say, come off
Speaker 1: his ass. Pause. I always say, coach a pause, dude,
Speaker 1: I pause. A lot of the stuff coach be saying,
Speaker 1: coach saying, how how insane was it? That vinitary same
Speaker 1: vinitaria that won Super Bowls with the Patriots kicking and
Speaker 1: you know, snowstorms, they clear out the thing, they clear
Speaker 1: it out, They cleared out the pathway for him to kick.
Speaker 1: Make it. He made it to go. Remember it was
Speaker 1: nerved in remember Kobe he they had the two point conversion,
Speaker 1: but there was a pick play, which it was oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, yeah yeah, And then they went
Speaker 1: back and it was like a forty three yard fucking
Speaker 1: extra point in a snow condition to go to overtime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point because he I mean I
Speaker 2: remember that. Yeah, and then he had a shot to
Speaker 2: win it and he and he missed it. He had
Speaker 2: the same kind of the hook that was like a
Speaker 2: boomerang that thing.
Speaker 1: He yeah, he won that good. So we weren't surprised
Speaker 1: about him, you know, not completing military Oh oh oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a chance of winning too.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: He's a good backup quarterback. Let me think he's won games.
Speaker 2: Oh you played with him the Patriots too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like Jakoby, but he's a good backup quarterback
Speaker 1: and he's tough. I beat the Patriots one time. Tom
Speaker 1: won a quarterback. You know it was Jacoby were set
Speaker 1: talk to your boy. I remember that, but he was
Speaker 1: gone awful, but they whatever from I would never beat
Speaker 1: the Patriots.
Speaker 3: I think you got to. You got one in Kansas City,
Speaker 3: won in Buffalo Patriots.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the h I was thinking about
Speaker 1: the suspension year twenty sixteen. Walk us through your game
Speaker 1: winning run. It's a play call. Yeah, I can't remember
Speaker 1: what was the gap scheme was the zone? It looked
Speaker 1: like it was a lot of down.
Speaker 2: I want to say a power because I think Richie
Speaker 2: Ower Cognito blocked Ritchie and Cognito.
Speaker 1: I love him. I love Richie. I used to train
Speaker 1: with him out here. This might be this double block
Speaker 1: web under center.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, look at Richie right there on the second levels.
Speaker 1: Trying to night good night.
Speaker 2: So hey, how about at the end of this I
Speaker 2: couldn't breathe. They everybody tapped me into the snow. I'm thinking, like, yo, bro,
Speaker 2: it's the snow down here, and it was it was
Speaker 2: high yeah to be there, but no, it's like under
Speaker 2: a dog pile.
Speaker 1: There's always one kid that is.
Speaker 2: Like bro, I was painting, like yo, yo, I can't
Speaker 2: breathe down here, like yo, claustrophobic, fat line and three
Speaker 2: and they're celebrated so they think everything's fun and I'm
Speaker 2: probably like two of weight.
Speaker 1: At the time. That's my favorite dog right now? Does
Speaker 1: he shed a lot or know?
Speaker 2: Zero really is an Australian labbordod though, that's oh wow,
Speaker 2: he doesn't shed at all.
Speaker 1: Buddy, Hello, Joe Dirt Mullet. So the aftermath of this game,
Speaker 1: after you're insane, walk off, you guys just straight mudding.
Speaker 1: That's mudd and football right there. And Jady has proven
Speaker 1: to be a mudd and running back because you have
Speaker 1: such I feel like it's because you have great balance,
Speaker 1: you keep your you don't ever get outside your base.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of that's that's what a lot
Speaker 1: of guy. That's how you get hurt. And that's be
Speaker 1: how you slip. Usually when guys are slipping there outside
Speaker 1: of the base. You have such a wide frame, you
Speaker 1: have white feet. You always cut off the inside part
Speaker 1: of your foot, You know what I mean? Guys try
Speaker 1: to cheat that. You should be a coach. You know
Speaker 1: that was pretty good. But it's true, is it not.
Speaker 1: I don't know it is. I never thought about that.
Speaker 1: I just be doing that ship. So it's how you're built.
Speaker 1: It's the inside of my plone. You want to you
Speaker 1: always off the inside part of your outside foot. So
Speaker 1: like whenever we used to have the first day of
Speaker 1: rain practice, we'd always practice outside on the grass. Guys,
Speaker 1: you can you can cheat like regular grass or turf.
Speaker 1: You can't cheat a wet surface. And it's because you're
Speaker 1: cutting weird or you're cutting different. You cut off the
Speaker 1: inside this part instead of just learn something today.
Speaker 3: First of all, you must have learned that from a
Speaker 3: good coach or great I don't know. Maybe the best
Speaker 3: coach of all time.
Speaker 1: I don't know this guy, this guy Bill Belichick versus
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. Wow, what what's Bill Belichick versus Andy Reid?
Speaker 1: Where's that? What's the stats?
Speaker 3: Bill's got him six and three all time six and three.
Speaker 3: That's it, three rings, as we alluded to.
Speaker 1: But this is a bit like, come on, man, it
Speaker 1: is what it is. Anybody had Tommy winning championship. That's true,
Speaker 1: he drafted.
Speaker 2: I don't like to do this with with Bill because
Speaker 2: I respect him, so I ain't gonna do that. But
Speaker 2: he can't touch Andy Reid.
Speaker 1: He can't.
Speaker 2: You drop them dudes to any different team, and he's
Speaker 2: gonna out do him.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady freaking shooting threes, jump shots. He out the league,
Speaker 2: he coming back. You put Andy wherever Bill's at, he
Speaker 2: gonna win.
Speaker 1: I think it was in the same division. He will
Speaker 1: scrape him. You know it. With Patrick Mahomes right now,
Speaker 1: it would be very tough. I'm saying, no, any team.
Speaker 1: I don't think that. Sole Master.
Speaker 2: Just you think that if right now today Andy Reid
Speaker 2: was on the Patriots, would it be better or would
Speaker 2: it be like they are now?
Speaker 1: They'd be built differently, or would they be better or.
Speaker 2: They like the same like they are now? Whatever, better records?
Speaker 2: How about that, let's just same teams and all same players,
Speaker 2: same everything.
Speaker 1: What you think? Remember we were talking about this and
Speaker 1: we talked about time management. We talked about that time
Speaker 1: management stuff. You keep saying that he only had like
Speaker 1: a year or two.
Speaker 2: He has bad time manage and you keep saying that
Speaker 2: he had some really came out last week last we win.
Speaker 1: Didn't he do something last week? Let's make this up? No,
Speaker 1: I put it. I put it in my notes. I
Speaker 1: was watching. I was literally watching, was like, this is
Speaker 1: exactly what I was saying. The shady he had something,
Speaker 1: he's smart guards. They're both very good. But I mean
Speaker 1: you had to still kiss the rings. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but like you had the equalizer, And we're going to
Speaker 1: see with an equalizing type quarterback, what Andy Reid can
Speaker 1: pump out about the watch. We're about to see if
Speaker 1: they don't get six one thing you said earlier though,
Speaker 1: if they don't get six, because it's hard to do
Speaker 1: it and continually, like he's got one generation of team
Speaker 1: to continually do it with different generations. That's what we're
Speaker 1: going to see one thing you said that was false.
Speaker 2: You said that the Patriots, you know, I was hard
Speaker 2: to win because they had the money issues, have a
Speaker 2: lot of money issues. Yeah, y'all never paid players that
Speaker 2: are true value.
Speaker 1: With the point. Wow, I'll give you that. They don't
Speaker 1: pay their homegrown but they they they had.
Speaker 2: The number one excuse when you when you when when
Speaker 2: I would go to Bill and I would say, hey,
Speaker 2: I want this, he would say.
Speaker 1: How am I gonna give you that? When I give
Speaker 1: Brady this? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because he never made me at the top of the
Speaker 2: market like he's supposed to. Brady, So when your quarterback
Speaker 2: is not making the maximum like he's posted, and then
Speaker 2: everyone's got a fall in line, not even not even
Speaker 2: fall line park, but there's more money to Yeah, that's so.
Speaker 1: But if if you look at how a team's built,
Speaker 1: we always had the more. There's like usually teams are
Speaker 1: built with like three Back when we were playing, there'd
Speaker 1: be like three dudes making upper echelon money, like big money,
Speaker 1: and then there'd be like five dudes making that middle tier,
Speaker 1: and then everyone else would be in that minimum. Ours
Speaker 1: would be like Tom would be barely making that. We'd
Speaker 1: have in that second thing, we'd have probably like eleven
Speaker 1: of those types of guys if you like look at
Speaker 1: it like per like that's how the team was always built.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that when other teams, when a quarterback gets
Speaker 2: that big lump sum, it's hard to get eleven guys
Speaker 2: even do that, it's hard to get That's so, yeah,
Speaker 2: didn't really have a lot of money issues because your
Speaker 2: top dude wasn't taking the money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were also go look at what they
Speaker 1: were doing with like the Tom never played in until
Speaker 1: like the back end of his contract. He always renegotiate.
Speaker 1: But what I get that part. So then like it
Speaker 1: didn't look but like old Brady, how much did he make.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to count no one's chess joker made
Speaker 1: a lot of money. I mean you're talking about his career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's played for twenty some seasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but dudes like like Eli dudes, like Big Ben
Speaker 2: dudes like paying like them dudes is cashing out at
Speaker 2: the top of the mine.
Speaker 1: Will get Sarry Rodgers. I will give you this argument,
Speaker 1: they didn't pay very well. You can't give me this
Speaker 1: is what it is.
Speaker 2: So my thing is I'm saying that when you talking
Speaker 2: about having a rosters get broken in the NFL because
Speaker 2: of money, quarterback takes all the money.
Speaker 1: I take that money. I had played for the memory,
Speaker 1: the money I played for the memories, pay for the memories,
Speaker 1: had a lot of memories. Was getting pad the top
Speaker 1: of the market. So like he's taking the money, you
Speaker 1: can't build on that team. I don't matter. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is.
Speaker 2: Belichick is a good coach. I guess and Aaron or
Speaker 2: Andy I ricked out of Indy you should. I mean
Speaker 2: every time we played him though we went into Kansas City,
Speaker 2: we were the old team, they were the young good
Speaker 2: in time twelve twelve?
Speaker 1: What else we got? The new rule added to this game.
Speaker 1: Only players on the field can clear the spot for
Speaker 1: the kicker because pre field goal kick. In this Vinetaria
Speaker 1: had the whole They had the whole team. The Bills
Speaker 1: had the whole team out there. That's in Indy, Indy
Speaker 1: did that's true? That is true that everybody digging up
Speaker 1: the snow.
Speaker 3: And now that said, the only guys on the field
Speaker 3: can help. Can't have the whole bench.
Speaker 2: Over there, So we scrimmage in the Patriots, I forget
Speaker 2: what year it is. I was with the Eagles, remember that,
Speaker 2: And now we were beating you all real good in practice.
Speaker 2: That was in the game, y'all beat the s off
Speaker 2: as though. That was in thirteen thirteen. And I remember.
Speaker 1: You had a bad practicing bills after practice over he
Speaker 1: go to the hell. I'm like, damn, they ain't punished
Speaker 1: for not having a good practice. And it went to
Speaker 1: the hill. It was run up and down the hill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm there. That was That was like high school shit.
Speaker 1: That was crazy. That wasn't punishment. That was just us.
Speaker 1: Oh we ran always after especially if we were joint practices,
Speaker 1: they would always run us. So they show the other
Speaker 1: coaching staff, you know, like hey, that's we get our pictures.
Speaker 1: This is our guys. We're getting right now. You know
Speaker 1: how many games we won where we were just in
Speaker 1: better shape than guys because guys at the end of
Speaker 1: the game like are off. Like we never had any
Speaker 1: big name offensive line guys that everyone always says, right,
Speaker 1: but our guys were rad smart. They were always in
Speaker 1: insane condition, and they played well together. And you'd play
Speaker 1: these like really explosive defensive lines and like we would
Speaker 1: slow them down a by going Noah, huddle, let them
Speaker 1: run trap a person up group in there, and b
Speaker 1: we just run the ball down the throat and then
Speaker 1: they would break by the end because teams aren't. We're
Speaker 1: never like even close to as good as shape. I
Speaker 1: agree with that.
Speaker 2: You guys are really disciplined. That's one thing I do
Speaker 2: give him credit. He was a disciplined coach man. The
Speaker 2: players was all smart. You guys in beach'll sales. That's
Speaker 2: that's what the Patriott is, right. I don't know what's
Speaker 2: the Patriot way.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought the Patriot was just having
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I thought it was because they don't see
Speaker 1: that shit no more, no more. They ready ain't ready.
Speaker 1: But Tom was able to tart new story. Is this
Speaker 1: the best snow game of all time?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: What was you had another? You had another good one?
Speaker 1: I had twenty yards in the snow before. But before
Speaker 1: this or after before? What was you were with Philly?
Speaker 1: Who did you play Detroit? Detroit?
Speaker 2: You never seen that game? That mega Tronie always show
Speaker 2: he has all the snow on his helmet.
Speaker 1: That's that's the game. I think that's the game. This
Speaker 1: is two hundred and then what was this one forty
Speaker 1: do you have one? Forty one fifty?
Speaker 3: I believe so?
Speaker 1: Are you the the greatest snow running back of all time? Sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know other facts
Speaker 1: that's playing this thow.
Speaker 3: You know I'm gonna say yes.
Speaker 1: I'm saying yes. It's not a bad answer. It's not
Speaker 1: a bad answer. Now, guys, I don't know. I'm a
Speaker 1: humble guy. Man'm humble. Come on, now, you know you
Speaker 1: just turned into a Patriot right now? That's right? Is
Speaker 1: this having to be on the team? You know? Just
Speaker 1: thank thank you, Patriot. It's a got the Patriots.
Speaker 3: I did to do it right, Jack, Nah, we're we're
Speaker 3: pretty clean.
Speaker 1: But uh.
Speaker 3: I was looking through a couple other great snow games
Speaker 3: at the Rule game, the leon Let game on Thanksgiving
Speaker 3: Day in ninety three, the Snowplow Game seventy two Patriots
Speaker 3: Dolphins speaking of clearing spots for the kickers. Just to
Speaker 3: dame a few one other, one other question. I'd be
Speaker 3: remissed if I didn't get to ask Shady. I got
Speaker 3: a twenty twenty one interview here when asked if Jules
Speaker 3: is a Hall of Famer, he said, nah, come on, man,
Speaker 3: do you do you stay by that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do. I mean I think I told
Speaker 1: you I think he was a hell of a player.
Speaker 2: See, this is what I don't like about these interviews though,
Speaker 2: right because I'm I'm I told you, I'm.
Speaker 1: Real, raw and just authentic. He's unfiltered.
Speaker 2: So the thing is, they asked me this whole question,
Speaker 2: and it was it was it was because it was
Speaker 2: thinking of the media about him in the Hall.
Speaker 1: Of Fame, and I was like, damn, I was like,
Speaker 1: he was nice and ship he was off. He was nice.
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know about hall of Fame. Like
Speaker 2: hall of fame, he got real own ones, you got
Speaker 2: all these rainy all these all these big ass numbers.
Speaker 2: They didn't talk about that. The only thing they said
Speaker 2: is Shady said it that you're not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: And I remember Brandon was like, I said, damn, you
Speaker 2: think you was ain't gonna fuck with me or excuse me,
Speaker 2: you think you're gonna be cool with me because I
Speaker 2: said that, And it was more like it was an
Speaker 2: old interview of telling him about it, and I said,
Speaker 2: I didn't say it that way, but the media only
Speaker 2: took out Yeah, I don't I don't care but I mean,
Speaker 2: like opinion I'm saying, like I didn't say anything crazy.
Speaker 3: I am trying to put anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah you said you ask question answer, I'm not. It wasn't.
Speaker 2: But to tell you to your face, it wasn't like
Speaker 2: a disc because I before I even gave it, Anti,
Speaker 2: I gave you praise because I watched you play like that.
Speaker 2: He nice, like you know, but it was like hall
Speaker 2: of Fame, Like there's a lot of Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: receivers that got crazy ass right yeah yeah, well, hollymy
Speaker 2: tell me.
Speaker 1: How you feel about that when you when you read it,
Speaker 1: how'd you feel about it? I don't really remember it
Speaker 1: like that like off the top, Like I wasn't like like,
Speaker 1: oh what is like nah?
Speaker 2: Because they just twisted though, so it seemed like it
Speaker 2: was honestly you know, and they wreted me names.
Speaker 1: That's another thing they did.
Speaker 2: There's going on to players, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: was like, well, I mean, don't respect you, dog, but
Speaker 2: Brandy Moss is like Brandie is probably top ten player ever,
Speaker 2: you know what you know what I'm saying. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: come on, we what were talking about right now?
Speaker 1: Like it was not that I feel that he's raw
Speaker 1: at least at least still save to your face. Guy. No,
Speaker 1: but see I'm because it don't come from a malicious
Speaker 1: at all. Delicious. No, we're just talking the ball, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But if they asked for you
Speaker 1: a good player, I said, damn right, is it a baller?
Speaker 1: Dam right? I took on my team? Real, rat, I
Speaker 1: take you on my team. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: For real, I would take that. That's a funny question though. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we have this, we have this thing where we
Speaker 1: score the game and it's presented by win Bet. Of course.
Speaker 1: Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it? Steaks?
Speaker 1: What are the stakes of this game? Zero out of
Speaker 1: ten steaks? Yeah, steaks six? Not the best game of
Speaker 1: all time? No, Yeah, that's that's that's pretty good. Star power.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Uh and won a lot of start
Speaker 1: with me, Frank and who else?
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissette, Nathan Peterman, Jacoby.
Speaker 1: Like about a three three? Let's do it on two stars?
Speaker 1: Only two stars of the whole game. That's two? Come on? Gameplay?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Just like how the game went
Speaker 1: is back and forth.
Speaker 2: The game was fun, though, I would say that, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it a ten.
Speaker 1: Ten.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking like that, like it was a fun game.
Speaker 2: The snow all days, like we punt. It was so
Speaker 2: many punts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. It was like a
Speaker 1: lot of it was passing that was like catching it
Speaker 1: and he dropping it. It was a lot of crazy.
Speaker 1: It was a fun game. We'll give it a ten.
Speaker 1: The name, So, what's the name of the game. Is
Speaker 1: it the Snowball? Is it the snow over Time? Is
Speaker 1: it the Buffalo Blizzard?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: That sounds the Buffalo Blizzard. That sound dope.
Speaker 3: It sounds like a good dairy queen. Itam too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go to to night. Oh, I'm gonna die.
Speaker 1: Gotta get worked out. Last day I just started working
Speaker 1: on again. I was game. I'm like, damn getting bigger.
Speaker 1: My soup box box is great. It's really good. It
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt my knees. I want to go with you
Speaker 1: bro out, I don't. I just yeah, a great workout,
Speaker 1: it hurts. What's the score? The name of the game?
Speaker 1: Real quick? What I mean, what's the name? What's the name? Score?
Speaker 1: We're gonna the Buffalo Blizzard out of ten?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 1: The name. Yeah, that's a good eight. That's a good eight.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's a good name. That's a good eight.
Speaker 1: What's our total? Jack?
Speaker 3: Six point five?
Speaker 1: Where it rank? Are all our guests who had all
Speaker 1: the games you've done?
Speaker 3: That ties us with game seven of the twenty eleven
Speaker 3: Stas Cup Finals with the Dano Chara and puts us
Speaker 3: just ahead of Gilbert Arenas's sixty point game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty points. G Gilbert was Kobe. I'm a Kobe fan.
Speaker 2: Jill Reason was super nice, but he won my He
Speaker 2: was one of my well, I ain't gonna say my
Speaker 2: favorite players, but I.
Speaker 1: Like the way he played.
Speaker 2: He was nice, although he did be tripping a little
Speaker 2: bit when it comes to Steph Curry. Other than that
Speaker 2: he's nice.
Speaker 1: He's a beast. He was it'd be a funny to
Speaker 1: get you guys together. We did. We can do that,
Speaker 1: but we did one one athlete. He was cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he tried to us that he's better than Steph Curry.
Speaker 2: If you're taking twenty five years and down, I mean,
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I don't know better. Stuf Curry
Speaker 2: sounds wow, right, it is.
Speaker 1: Seth Curry is a monster. Got like a ticket from
Speaker 1: a police officer for saying ship like that. But I
Speaker 1: get what he was saying, but you know you should
Speaker 1: have said, but you know what's for lunch?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Call back?
Speaker 2: You eat eat steak? What's yeah srimp? Let's order that
Speaker 2: because you're talking crazy. But he was nice though, he
Speaker 2: was nice. He was He was a bucket.
Speaker 3: We missed anything, Jack, I think we're good.
Speaker 1: You want to plug anything, No, I'm chilling you nothing
Speaker 1: just on Fox let's speak. They just asked me that
Speaker 1: quy try to try to catch you. Hey, thank you
Speaker 1: for coming on now. I'm gonna even know what she
Speaker 1: told me. A man, I gotta do it. Boy, Doozy
Speaker 1: popcorn was being served.
Speaker 3: That was he was everything. He's built a bet man.
Speaker 3: He didn't disappoint Shady.
Speaker 1: He never disappoints. He just he has no filter and.
Speaker 2: He has his take and he stands by his take
Speaker 2: straight shooting and if he's wrong, and he'll eat it though,
Speaker 2: he'll eat it.
Speaker 3: He's not alive if you believe it.
Speaker 1: He was really fun.
Speaker 3: He was fun. I love Shade. We got to get
Speaker 3: him back on here. Do some of his Eagles games,
Speaker 3: A pit game, something.
Speaker 1: We got you. He's just fun. To talk to and
Speaker 1: get his perspective. He's a smart guy.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 1: He remembers everything too, he does.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got a fucking steel trap for a mind.
Speaker 1: He asked me, you know, we leave, and he goes,
Speaker 1: are you left handed? I go, no, why? And he goes,
Speaker 1: because you always carry the ball with your left hand.
Speaker 1: That right there tells me he knows some stuff. Because
Speaker 1: because I was a four back in the Wishbone back
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight in Redwood City Pop Horner, I
Speaker 1: always ran the ball to my left and the sideline
Speaker 1: was there, and he always caught to keep the or
Speaker 1: taught to get the ball on your sideline. So my
Speaker 1: left became my dominant arm, which is weird for a
Speaker 1: right handed person. Usually people were more comfortable, and Shadey
Speaker 1: brought that out.
Speaker 3: About an observant cat.
Speaker 1: Oh my deservant dude.
Speaker 3: I crunched your tape like it's like it's a fucking
Speaker 3: episode of the Office. But I never noticed that you ain't.
Speaker 1: Jack get here.
Speaker 3: I really didn't even.
Speaker 1: Man. I was sart calling you captain. By the way,
Speaker 1: one of our favorite cereals. If you're out there listening.
Speaker 3: Amen, should we get into these uh? These questions we
Speaker 3: got from the d MS.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's hear what these questions.
Speaker 3: So we opened them up. We put out the prompt
Speaker 3: of hit us with your dream guest, your dream game,
Speaker 3: you dream game guest combo, and we yielded some pretty
Speaker 3: good stuff. I come through and pulled the top five.
Speaker 3: Here you ready to get into it.
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right.
Speaker 3: Our guy John Edwards Underscore fourteen on Instagram said Steph
Speaker 3: Curry's Elite eight run. You know this one's near and
Speaker 3: dear to my heart. Yeah, David's and Wildcats, you know them.
Speaker 1: I was at you were there.
Speaker 3: I was at these games them. I love them.
Speaker 1: Baby.
Speaker 3: We got to get stuff in here, dude, Bob McKillop
Speaker 3: in here, the whole crew.
Speaker 1: Steph Curry, he is such a like professional, not just
Speaker 1: how he's revolutionized the game, but like you never hear
Speaker 1: really a bad thing about him, and he is who
Speaker 1: like he He's just a great family man. He always
Speaker 1: has like he never gives a bad vibe. He's just
Speaker 1: very lovable.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 1: And then he will shoot the lights out of any
Speaker 1: gym with any like he's an assassin on them and
Speaker 1: his handles. He's revolutionized basketball. He literally has changed the
Speaker 1: sport of basketball, Like have we We don't have any
Speaker 1: more centers. That's not that's no.
Speaker 3: Spread him out there.
Speaker 2: Everyone shoots threes because of Steph Curry. He's can we
Speaker 2: get him on Jack?
Speaker 1: You know him? Call him.
Speaker 3: I'll put in I'll put in a word here, I'll
Speaker 3: put it in a word. Oh my god, that would
Speaker 3: be that would be incredible. Moving on, we got from
Speaker 3: the three Doctor John Richardson on Instagram, Mark Sanchez Vince
Speaker 3: will Ford for the butt fumble both at.
Speaker 1: The same time.
Speaker 3: That would be wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, san Cheeto works for Fox.
Speaker 3: He's easy to get to. I would think we get
Speaker 3: get Sanchito.
Speaker 1: We can get He did a Super Bowl appearance together.
Speaker 1: He like mediated something that we did and he did
Speaker 1: pretty well. He's doing well on TV. He's handsome, he's
Speaker 1: a he got I don't know what the hair.
Speaker 3: It's a little, it's it's it's it's longer than you
Speaker 3: ever see him in the playing days. Yeah, eating hot
Speaker 3: dog on the sidelines, it was pretty clean cut.
Speaker 2: But like now, I mean, I guess maybe that's what
Speaker 2: that's what he's feeling right now. That's his confident self.
Speaker 3: I'd like to get a get it straight.
Speaker 1: I want to We're gonna get him on here now here?
Speaker 3: What about what about the Big Vince? Is he just
Speaker 3: chilling down in Texas?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I anytime I think about Vince,
Speaker 1: I just think of he had literally a semi truck.
Speaker 1: He had a semi truck car like truck that he
Speaker 1: was like without a trailer, literally a semi truck that
Speaker 1: he would drive to work. And I just see him
Speaker 1: with nothing but overalls on. That's exactly how I picture
Speaker 1: him right now in Cowboy books.
Speaker 3: And he's got to be manning like a grill of
Speaker 3: some sort, a huge smoker.
Speaker 1: Definitely, he has cooked for me and it was phenomenal
Speaker 1: his house once with Randy oh Man, it was.
Speaker 3: I would kill to be at that meal. What a
Speaker 3: beast love Vins. Gotta get him on, moving on. Thad
Speaker 3: Harold also on Instagram a throwback Carlton Fisk for the
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy five World Series Game six. You remember when
Speaker 3: he was doing the foul doing that one.
Speaker 1: That's a throwback, Yeah, throwback. Maybe if we ever Carlton
Speaker 1: Fiske got it and it didn't, maybe if we move
Speaker 1: foul right noticed it it went foul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we got to Uh I was against the Reds.
Speaker 3: I believe if we ever maybe pop over to Fenway,
Speaker 3: we got it. Carlton or we needed we need a
Speaker 3: base original, Puz, we need a baseball game. It's been
Speaker 3: a while since we've done a baseball.
Speaker 1: On a sap. Yep.
Speaker 3: When in classic baseball like that when baseball was cool, man, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I like that was it.
Speaker 1: I mean that was like still old time baseball right
Speaker 1: where it was like part of America. Now ol baseball
Speaker 1: was like nineties base cool baseball, eighties eighty five to
Speaker 1: nineties baseball. It's like, oh, these dudes are fucking hitting
Speaker 1: the ball to the movie. Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, these guys are playing small ball still back in
Speaker 2: seventy five, which is fun. I'm a baseball traditionalist. I
Speaker 2: love baseball.
Speaker 3: I'm with you. But the cool nineties this was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: You're right, You're right, it's pretty cool. Now it's now
Speaker 3: we're just in kind of forgetable.
Speaker 1: Era, fast fast era. It's the fast Mookie.
Speaker 3: Shoutout, Mookie, we love Another one from Instagram came in.
Speaker 3: Matthew P. Charles would like to see us have Ray
Speaker 3: Ruth and O J. Simpson on Jesus Matthew Boy, we
Speaker 3: got some funked up listeners.
Speaker 1: Oh God, did juice the juice? I mean we are
Speaker 1: in Brentwood, I mean we did have a juice reference.
Speaker 3: Oh you're right, Oh my god, Shady, that got real awkward,
Speaker 3: real fast.
Speaker 1: So when he said the Hall of Fame stuff, I
Speaker 1: thought about juice because it was on Instagram. Someone asked him.
Speaker 1: Somebody sent me a video of OJ saying that I
Speaker 1: belong in the Hall of Fame. And then he brought
Speaker 1: up that, and I was gonna say it, but I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I would have been yeah, o J.
Speaker 3: He loves the Twitter video.
Speaker 1: OJ does. Yeah, I was this close to pulling it up,
Speaker 1: this close. I don didn't know how long it was
Speaker 1: a little OJ. Yeah. I don't think Shady would have mind.
Speaker 3: No, he would have been down to OJ always signs off.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying on Twitter. And then on Ray Carruth,
Speaker 3: I mean, also a reprehensible figure. There was a guy
Speaker 3: I remember going to Panthers games growing.
Speaker 1: Up, who is Ray Cruth?
Speaker 3: Wide Receive out of Colorado. He had a hit man
Speaker 3: try to kill his pregnant wife.
Speaker 1: Oh so these are these are bad guys.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, this in this guy Matthew Matthew, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he wants to see us, have him on and welcome
Speaker 3: him to your home. Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 3: This is so this guy Raker reprehend awful. Guy tried
Speaker 3: to hit man kill his wife who was pregnant at
Speaker 3: the time. There was a guy after this. I would
Speaker 3: see him at Bank of America Stadium, maybe ericson field.
Speaker 3: Back then. He was like at the middle aged, most
Speaker 3: mild manner, looking like average white dad. He would wear
Speaker 3: a Rayker Ruth jersey tucked into like acid washed jeans
Speaker 3: for like twenty years, no matter what. I would go
Speaker 3: to this game or a Panthers game like once or
Speaker 3: twice a year see this guy every time. Wow, and
Speaker 3: he's just walking around like it was cool. I think
Speaker 3: he makes Twitter every now and again. People will resurface.
Speaker 1: Photos this guy. Was he that good of a player?
Speaker 3: He's like a second round pick out of Colorado, Like
Speaker 3: I don't know the full.
Speaker 1: I love like them.
Speaker 3: That's a guy we might need to get on the pod,
Speaker 3: say dude, what is wrong with you? On a lighter note,
Speaker 3: a more normal fan, Matt Zetcher I believe is the
Speaker 3: pronunciation on Instagram. He wants the Kelsey Bowl.
Speaker 1: You got to get the yeah, it's yeah, it's not if.
Speaker 3: We heard him on tape on the New Heights Body.
Speaker 1: They confirmed it. They confirmed that's a that's a hard yes.
Speaker 3: We will count as an inked yes, inked yes.
Speaker 1: What an episode. Thanks again, Shady. That was unbelievable. That's
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