WEBVTT - Concrete Saint 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:04.280 A note to the listener. The following story contains some 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:15.520 adult content and language, and so it comes to this, 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:21.360 no long winded recap or explanation of any kind. Here 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.680 we are at the end of it, the end of 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.240 Hank's journey, end of ours. So I'm just gonna sit 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:28.960 back and be quiet and allow us to finish what 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:37.680 we started. Welcome back, Mr Briggs. I've been very much 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:43.520 looking forward to this. Please come in, no butler today. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.440 I only hire assistance when I'm entertaining. When it comes 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.159 to all the odds and ends, I know what I like, 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.279 but I don't know how to prepare and present it. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.440 So no tea. Then, of course there's tea. I had 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.480 just assumed you wanted to relay the information and get 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.400 back to life as usual. Might as usual? Is that 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.520 how you think this works? I would hope that you 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.679 would be able to separate yourself from the work long 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.000 enough to enjoy life. Yes, you don't know anything about 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.959 my life, Hank. I think you've forgotten why I hired you. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:31.080 See t what's in the envelope? Why that's the second 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.240 half of your payment? Mr Briggs. You didn't think I'd forgotten, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.280 did you. That's simple humph. It's all there, shouldn't it be, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:42.280 That's sure, but neither of us known if I actually 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:47.480 solved anything. Solve That was always a pressure word for motivation. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.160 If you will, I said, you would be chasing information, 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.320 and chase information you have. I would never allow you 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.520 to go without reward for all your efforts, unless you 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:00.800 feel that you have been careless. That's another matter. Entirely. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:05.200 I wouldn't say careless, but I do have a few questions. 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.760 I realized that I wasn't as thorough as I could 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.360 have been when you first brought me into this. But 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:15.560 that's the tricky thing about hindsight. Right by all means 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:20.160 ask me anything, who do you think killed her? I 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.600 really wouldn't know. No, I know, But if you had 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.680 to guess, who'd you lean towards? I call it a hunch. 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.320 You know those instincts of mine you talked about, the 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.840 ones that make me picasso. You must have some of 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:38.160 those instincts, right. I don't consider myself a detective in 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:42.000 the slightest Mr Briggs, not even one guess. Come on, 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.160 humor me, all this chasing, all this work, don't you 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.080 want to know if you were right? I did I 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.960 had a hunch when I started hunting and scrauching. Come on, 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.720 just play along and take a guess if it turns 0:02:54.760 --> 0:03:00.920 out to be right fastest murder ever solved. This is 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.560 a very strange exercise, mister Briggs. I haven't the faintest 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:10.400 idea one guess. Was it the doctor? Damn good guess? 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.160 But no, you know, people still believe he was responsible 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.240 for it, even after he had been cleared. I was 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:23.280 one of those people. Really, yes, twice. Very interesting. I'm 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:28.600 curious as to why clean cuts precision would have taken 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.520 years of experience to be able to cut her up 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.600 like that. That's very astute view. But it couldn't have 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:38.800 been him. You're sure, without question, z Aliba checked out 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:45.400 clean as a whistle. Uh. That's a relief, you see. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.320 That is a job well done on your part. Do 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.760 you know, Adler Harrison. I can't say that I do 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:55.360 why relief. Relief is a pretty strong word to use 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.240 for someone you've never met. You don't have to know 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.600 someone to have empathy for them. Mister Briggs, I think 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.600 you've done a wonderful thing for this man. Once the 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.920 press are able to properly exonerate him, he may be 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.400 able to piece his career back together. After all, press, 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.760 who's going to care at this point? You don't think 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.160 the public will want to know new Plus, he's busy 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.080 with Leonard Shaw's dirty work, so I don't think he's 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:21.240 gonna want too much attention. Leonard Shaw the king himself. 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.720 The last place he expected to be was in the 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:28.120 middle of all this, with a punk like me questioning him. 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:32.040 You met with Leonard Shaw, I did, and he's every 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.480 bit to prick. I've been told he was. He's sick. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:40.400 You know, kidneys are failing that Poe Man. I wouldn't 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.279 waste your empathy on old Leo Benny Luck. He'll go quick. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.080 I'm surprised at you, Mr Briggs. I wouldn't have expected 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.520 you to be so frivolous in regards to another suffering. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:55.440 It's funny you should say that, Sam. Why is that? 0:04:55.440 --> 0:05:04.359 That was my impression of you too. She didn't suffer, Hank. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:10.680 Not at any point did Marline suffer, So you don't 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.200 deny it, Hank. I think we've done enough dancing today, 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:19.920 don't you. Butler t hunch Adler dip Once you said 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.240 it wasn't Adler, I was satisfied you wanted me to 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:29.360 know it was you. Now, that's not true. I was 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.720 perfectly content to part ways with you today as the 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:36.320 charitable donor, despite your failures. But once you mentioned Leonard, 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.880 I knew you'd gotten closer than you were ever supposed to. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.080 You may not be a detective, Hank, but you're certainly 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:53.080 not an idiot. Follow me, Hank. Why don't you just 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.200 follow me and you can have all your answers before 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:08.000 you walk out of here? M h s. All of this, 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:15.279 this was what you were bored. Bored. Quite the contrary, 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.080 I've been more invested in this than anything I've ever done. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.760 Did you meet her at shots? I did, and that 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.600 vile gigglow of a doctor stalking or hoping to make 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.600 her one of his conquests. She had no interest in 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.880 him at first, but at each gathering, however subtle, I 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:37.120 could see a flirtation growing. And then what mm hmm, 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.200 I wanted to paint her. She understood that I wasn't 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:41.960 a threat to her. Right over there is where she 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.479 sat for me, and often it was there that we 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.239 developed our friendship. You killed her in here. I wanted 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.320 to capture what light she afforded the world before it 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.280 left her in the same way, it leaves all of 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.560 the innocence. Did you kill her in here as she 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.039 died in this room? Yes, But as I said, she 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.560 didn't suffer. I don't understand why I have any of this. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:06.440 Why out of reverence for her reverence, you pride her 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:11.760 ribs apart and drain her. I removed her impurity once 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.600 the barbiturates entered her she was no longer clean. Left 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.960 her in a parking lot so that she would be 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.040 more accessible to the common man, just like the construction 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.160 worker who found her, just like you noticed. Doesn't make 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:30.920 any sense, of course it does. You're just not listening. Listen. 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:36.400 Anyone is capable of being renewed, anyone is capable of salvation. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.720 Where you opened her arms and you crossed her legs, 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.200 what did all that mean? Uh? The search for artistic 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.160 meaning has become overbearing ly un original. Don't you think 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.200 it was simply the position in which I felt that 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:57.480 her innocence would be best preserved. Meaning destroys purity. Meanings 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.880 when my heart began to suffer the most an obsession 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:04.360 with meaning, as contradictory as it may sound, I would 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.000 rather that we as intellectuals, abandoned the need for meaning, 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.840 all of us, for it is only in the absence 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:16.880 of meaning that we are emotionally and psychologically free to experience. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.000 There was a woman. Well there's always a woman, isn't 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.520 there as appropriately so, as that is how we all 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.760 come into this world. Her name was Genevieve, and she 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.520 took such loving care of me, such care that my 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:38.760 memories honored her more than anyone. Still too. See, I 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:43.640 wasn't ready. My style was crude, certainly wasn't art. It 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.480 was harried and clumsy, and I was ashamed. I wanted 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.760 to be rid of my failure. But it being quite 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.880 a different canvas. It's not as if she could be 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.760 thrown out in the bins, although in retrospect I suppose 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.080 I could have. But I was so young and petuous 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.360 and overcome with fear an adrenaline. My only thought was fire. 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:05.920 It was the only way in which I could absolve 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:13.320 myself of both the shame and the act. My initial 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:20.440 experience when she was gone, Oh it was unbearable. I 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.600 was nineteen years old. The pain that I felt what's excruciating, 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.480 as if someone was standing on my chest. Peeling away 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.319 what I felt for her an inch at a time, 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:35.720 pure dane, raw emotional movement that only exists in nature. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.160 I tried to find meaning in her death for years 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.679 after I left Paris, and the more I uncovered about 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.520 her sordid tale of prostitution and disease and drug addiction, 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.880 the more I uncovered about my own prejudice. I could 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.000 no longer recognize her. When I thought of her. My 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:59.319 thoughts were clouded with judgment and expletives and contempt. So 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:05.600 I thought or less, and so I felt less until 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:10.880 I felt nothing. Ironic, isn't it At the end of 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.559 my quest for meaning, she no longer held any meaning, 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.240 And so I wept not for her, not for me, 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:25.240 but for the loss of feeling itself. I wanted that 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:31.480 feeling again. I wanted that feeling of loss, of emptiness, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:37.199 the raw emotional movement. I didn't ask Marline any personal questions, 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.120 not one. See. I didn't want any part of her past. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.560 I wanted to know her, experience her only as she 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.000 was at that time of her life. I wanted to 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.840 ensure her a perfect future. I wanted to develop the 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.080 love necessary to feel it ripped from me the moment 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.120 she was gone, her parents set right out there. No 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.520 that ar her parents here when the feelings began to fade. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.520 There's nothing more powerful and more innocent than a mother's love. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.360 And I'd hope that her parents recollections of her might 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:17.839 stir something inside of me. But nothing, nothing, And so 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:23.120 it will continue as it always has, and she, like 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.920 the others, will remain in this room with me as 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.439 I search for inspiration once again. What do you mean, 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:33.480 remain in this room. I'm not a butcher, Hank, I'm 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:39.080 an artist. My love for them went into my art. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:44.560 They are in my art. They are all in my art. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.280 In doing so, I make them clean again. What is this? 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:56.840 It's a rebirth on canvas. Let's pay now. That is 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.880 very much Marline's blood, you know it? How many here 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:10.320 against the wall? This one is Marline, She's Unfortunately she 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.280 was never intended for this series. They should have only 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:17.800 have ever been twenty seven paintings. Marlene was my masterpiece. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:23.520 I was certain that she wouldn't that she couldn't be ignored. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.840 She should have been the focal point of our time, 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.960 not the irresponsible and reckless death of a heart throb 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:36.080 or foreign nuclear weapons testing certainly not backseat to the 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.360 most handsome bachelor of the year on the cover of 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.880 Life magazine. She should have been on the cover of Life, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.719 if we're all being honest with ourselves. I didn't want 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.480 her to disappear, and so I made her clean again. 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.760 I hope in you was that whatever you found would 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.920 resurrect her importance. She could once again be unique as 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.839 a work of art, as sculpture of beauty, distorted in 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:04.720 her human form, fragmented in body, but never in soul. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:22.080 I am questionable, concrete Saint M twenty seven others. She 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:29.760 wasn't meant for this, hank, And I assure you she wasn't. Oh, 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:39.040 I hardly think that's necessary. And that's where it ended. 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.000 The tape didn't run out. There was more tape, but 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:45.800 it was all blank. I threw in two more random tapes, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.640 and it was an older hank. So I pressed up 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.600 and I sat there, and I knew who had killed 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.200 Marlene Marie Evans. I knew who had killed the Angel 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:03.559 of mine. And there was the confession. And now what 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.319 was I supposed to do with it? This was a 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.199 little bit bigger than an internet search. So I called 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.520 the Herald's contact within the l A p D who 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.240 connected me to the cold case unit. I arranged to 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:14.959 meet with them in hand over the tapes pertinent to 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:19.920 the Angel of Vine and the rest is the rest. Actually, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.000 I shouldn't say the rest is the rest. That's too flippant. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:26.040 I don't want to dishonor Marlene's memory that way. Marlene 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.080 had no next of kin, no one connected to her 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.120 is still alive. But I would like us to take 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:35.360 a moment to acknowledge her makes your rest in peace. 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.280 I would also like to acknowledge that, thanks to Hank Briggs, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.080 this is the oldest cold case ever to have been solved. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.840 But now we're faced with a new question. What the 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:55.040 hell happened to Samuel Tench? Throughout his life and career. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.680 Samuel Tench was incredibly reclusive. No family, no close friends 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.280 per se, only acquaintance is so he was free to 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.040 travel to any destination anywhere on the planet at any 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:08.800 moment in time, and he did. The only person in 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.560 his life with whom he had consistent contact with was 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:16.200 his art dealer and occasional confident, Theodore Redmond. Redmond said 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.400 that he had learned to live with the disappearing acts. 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:22.440 It was part of Tench's creative process, he said, and 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.400 whether it had been weeks or even months, when Tench 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.960 would return from a pilgrimage, he would do so without 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:32.480 apology or explanation, as if he had never left. When 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.800 Redmond couldn't get in touch with Tench around the fall 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.400 of nineteen fifty seven, it was perfectly natural for him 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.320 to think the Tench had left on another one of 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:45.080 his excursions. By March of nineteen fifty nine, and still 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.520 with no word from him, Redmond just assumed the Tench 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.560 didn't want to be found, that he had decided to 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:56.360 leave the art world his way. In the summer of 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:00.920 nineteen Redmond sold all of Samuel Tench's assets at auction, 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.560 all except for the portraits that Redmond found in the 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.520 studio behind the Garden. Those went back to New York 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.960 with Redmond. Some were sold somewhere loan to museums and 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:19.120 other galleries. But that's all irrelevant now. As of today, 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.720 you won't be able to find one of the twenty 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.840 seven Samuel Tant water color portraits anywhere in the world, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.200 not in the Music Stockholm, the Tate, the Broad, Googgenheim, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.440 a private collector's home, and nowhere they've all been collected 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:38.360 as evidence because of Hanks tapes. Think about this tentious 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.680 portraits painted in the blood of his twenty seven victims 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.480 were hanging in some of the most famous spaces in 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:49.760 the world for five decades, seen by billions of unaware patrons, 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.800 some of whom probably got very close to the canvas, 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:59.640 as art observers tend to do. That's insane, and was 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.360 even more insane is that there was an exhibition that 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.560 took place at the Redmond Gallery in New York City, 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:10.840 and of all twenty seven portraits, all twenty seven victims 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.720 were in the same room at the same time, nobody knew, 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.640 and when the exhibition was over, they were each ship 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:24.200 back to wherever they came from until today. Now. Remember 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.000 Tench said he only intended for there to be twenty 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:32.720 seven Marlene made, but there are only twenty seven portraits. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:41.960 Where is Marlene's watercolor portrait? It was never found. Redmond 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:47.040 only brought twenty seven back to New York with him. 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.400 So the mystery of the Angel of Vine is solved, 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:54.439 only to become the mystery of Samuel Tench and the 0:17:54.480 --> 0:18:00.280 mystery of Hank Briggs for Tench? How many victims were 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.080 there prior to him perfecting his art? And will we 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:07.800 ever find out the names of the For Hank? Why 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.560 didn't he tell anyone? I'll tell you what I think. 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.199 I think Hank Briggs killed Samuel Tench. I think he 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.159 was face to face with a serial killer who he 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.720 knew would kill again. Now there's absolutely zero proof that 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:26.600 he killed Tench? So why hide the tapes? Guilt Shane? 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.479 Why did Hank become the recluse that Samuel Tench has been? 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.040 Is that the tradeoff once you've killed? I don't know, 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:42.080 but that's what became of him. And maybe I'm wrong. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.679 Maybe Hank just walked away that day, out of the garden, 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:46.439 down the hall and into his car with ten tho 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.479 in cash. And maybe Tench did retire from the art 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.000 world to spend the rest of his days in solitude overseas. 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:58.119 It's possible, but I don't believe that, and Hank's family 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:02.000 didn't either. You know how, when every engagement story one 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.360 person gets awkward and clumsy and the other freaks out. 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.879 This was that? Who is who? In this case? I 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:13.720 freaked out? Really after we spoke, Okay, I was gonna say, 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.800 you sounded perfectly calm on the phone, because my first 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:21.920 reaction was confusion, then shock, then freak out. I probably 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.159 should have led with are you sitting down? All you 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.479 said was he solved it? And then I have no 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.800 idea what you said, but I did hear it was Tench. 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.720 And that's when the adrenaline kicked in. When did she 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:35.440 tell you? As soon as we got off the phone, 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.400 she never calls the restaurant. Scared me half to death 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:41.520 middle of the rush and Dale comes to the front 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.280 and says, it's bet it's urgent. I don't I don't 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.520 even know what I said. You were yelling. I need 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.240 the art for Oscar. I need the art for Oscar. 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:49.919 I need to send the book in the art to Oscar. 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.280 So I said, go again a tiger, right, No, that 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:59.480 wasn't it. Oh right? The keys? Okay. What I said 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:03.400 was why the hell are you calling me when you've 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.960 got a set of keys, Go get them tiger. Then 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:10.520 I told her about our call and Hank and Tench, 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.639 and all I could think was get that artwork out 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.320 of my house? Is all you said. All you said 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.520 was get that artwork out of my house. Just to 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.720 clarify for our listeners, Um, what art are we talking 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:27.040 about here? The art that we found in the ike, Yes, 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:32.560 specifically three rolled canvases of Samuel Tench originals. I want 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.000 to make it clear to our listeners that they are 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:39.120 not three of the absolutely not. No. I have seen 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:42.080 these works, I have handled them. They were definitely painted 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.720 with the crilics. It was paint, thank god. Now you 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:51.159 also mentioned a book, yes, Collected Poems of Robert's Service. 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:57.520 And what was the inscription? Hank to paint and canvas 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:05.800 Samuel Hanks toast the day Tench hired him? So creepy. Um, 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:09.200 let's let's shift subjects. What I really want to ask 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.280 you about is Hank. Now, when I met you both 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:12.960 almost a year ago, how many of the tapes did 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.840 you listen to? None, just a sample? And now how 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:21.000 many of you listened to all of them? All of them? 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:24.200 What did your sister say? She has no memory of 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.879 him at all, so it didn't really make a difference 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.639 to her. She thought it was a good story, but 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.400 that was about it. What's the biggest difference for you? Now? 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:43.400 I definitely think he killed tench mm hmm. Yeah, I'm 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:47.959 kind of leaning that way too. What's the hesitation? I 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:51.320 don't know. I I don't think there's any way to 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.240 explain what it feels like to get to know your grandfather, 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.119 get to like the man that you're getting to know, 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:57.879 and then all of a sudden have to think of 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:02.000 the possibility that this person who you really like may 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:06.120 have murdered someone. It's does that make any sense? It's 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:09.520 it's difficult to understand. Yeah, I know, perfect sense, I 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:13.720 get and see. For me, it's kind of the opposite. 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.080 I liked him more for the idea that he was 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.000 with a man he knew would kill again have given 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:23.400 the chance, and he dealt with it. Interesting. I mean, 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.919 I'm not advocating for vigilantism, but in this case, you know, 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:31.119 greater good and all that. Did you wonder if maybe 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:32.840 that's why he didn't come home when it was done. 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:38.080 I didn't. Actually, what I thought about the most was 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.679 that my mother had absolutely no idea that any of 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:47.040 this was going on, and I wish she could have known. 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:49.520 I think it would have answered a lot of questions 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:54.440 for her. Didn't answer questions, you arette, Yeah, I mean sure, 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.680 I have a better understanding of who he was, and 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:01.520 that would make sense. And so if that's why he disappeared, 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:08.280 did it change how you felt about him? You know, 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:16.000 I don't know yet. I definitely felt sorry for him, 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:24.200 but how I feel about him, Uh, it's a it's 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.640 a good question. I'll have to get back to you, 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:33.720 you know, all you do that right, please don't well. 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:36.440 I think I can safely speak for an entire community 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:40.480 of people when I say thank you, and personally, I 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:42.920 would like to thank you both very very much for 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.160 trusting me with this man's life. Thank you for reaching 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:47.159 out to me in the first place, and thank you 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:50.400 for letting me into your home and your family history, 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:52.919 and for being so open to all of my questions. 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:57.119 Thank you, seriously, thank you for taking it on this responsibility. 0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:00.760 That was my pleasure, and I'm fairly confident that this 0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:10.480 experience will remain highlight I think that does it, Oh 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:16.479 my plight. When I started this project, I didn't think 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:20.720 there would be a definitive answer to my questions. I 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.080 thought we would learn more details in the Angel Vine case, 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:25.840 more facts that would elaborate on what we already knew. 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.440 But I really didn't think there would be an actual ending. 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:34.000 There were so many tapes There are so many tapes, 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:36.560 and they spanned from the last tape that I played 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:40.320 you well into Hank's old age, And like Beth and Phillis, 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.680 I listened to everything that Hank Briggs had to say. 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:47.200 Here was a family man with a great sense of humor, 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.119 assault of the earth, do the right things, stand up, 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.560 guy who didn't have a mean bone in his body, 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:54.919 yet to catch a killer, he may have had to 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:59.240 become one. What does that do to a person like Hank, 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.840 For someone who was a good cop and wanted more 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:07.240 than anything to be a great detective. Whatever went on 0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:09.240 in that studio after he stopped the tape, that is 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:13.879 another mystery altogether. But if Hank the cop vanished that day, 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.639 then why not destroy the tapes? Why not destroy the 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:20.840 art in the book of poetry? Unless that's all that 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.000 was left to remind him of who he was and 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:27.320 what he had sacrificed it all for Hank Briggs with 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:31.840 a damn good detective, even if he didn't have a 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:35.199 badge to show for it. I for one hope that 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:38.760 he knew that, and that he left all of this 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:42.480 for us so that we would too. There was a 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.240 lot of information here, and I tried to compile it 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:49.159 as efficiently and as effectively as possible in order to 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:53.120 bring you this story. It was an important story. Hank 0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:56.520 was onto something when he started recording the world around him, 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:58.840 and by taking the time to stop and listen, he 0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:03.879 didn't have to miss a thing. As I leave you 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.639 with Hank's final words, I would like to say, thank you, 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:12.359 thank you for listening. I'm Oscar Simmons and this was 0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:24.679 the Angel of Vine. Jeesy to cry that you're beaten 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:31.760 and die, jeezy to crawfish and crawl, but to fight, 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:37.000 and to fight when hoops out of sight, Well that's 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:41.200 the best game of them all. And though you come 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:49.400 out of each grueling, bout, broken, battered and scarred, just 0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:55.880 have one more try. It stead easy to die. It's 0:26:55.920 --> 0:27:14.960 the keeping on living that's hard. H I one time, come, 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:44.600 oh way is my a joel E excuse me while 0:27:45.160 --> 0:28:02.200 I did SUPPI thank you for listening to the Angel 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:04.880 of Vine. If you'd like to support us, please leave 0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.960 us a review and tell your friends to subscribe. The 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:11.800 Angel of Vine is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:15.119