1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I almost famous in depth. 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: All right, we're back with an in depth episode with 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: one of, if not our favorite from this season, who 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: you know was released before first. Yeah, she's the first 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: we personally know. That's true. Yeah, it's hard not to 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: like somebody, get to know them. We got Jess Gerard 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: here with us. Jess to kick us off. We've heard 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: a rumor that you live in Florida. What part of 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Florida are you in? Yeah, so I'm in Orlando, Florida. 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 1: Ooh nice. Do you go to Disney World and Universal 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: on the rag or not? I am not a Disney girl. 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: I actually really am not a fan of Disney. But 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: why please tell us more? Probably sister our big Disney fans. 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: So when I was like probably in the middle school, 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: maybe elementary school, I don't even know when they took me. 16 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: It's like scarred, Like my mom knows the story. They 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: took me and it was like one of the parades 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: and they were like jumping up and down and screaming, 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: and I was so embarrassed. I was like, oh and 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: so from then on board, I was like I won't 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: go back, Like my mom has sister ruined it for me. 22 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: I was like I I was like, you guys are 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: jumping up and down at mascots. Basically, I was like, 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: I can't do it. I like, can't do you feel 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: like this is a common like feeling from a lot 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: of people that live in Orlando. Um, honestly, a lot 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: of people that live here, they really do like they 28 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: have like annual passes. I'm a Universal girl, Like, I 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: love Universal. I'll go there all the time, Like it's 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: the roller coasters are fun, like it's you know, it's 31 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: acted you're viewing stuff. But Disney, I'm just it just 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: feels off me. I'm with you, Jazz Universal over Disney. 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: When it comes to theme parks, it's far more thrilling there. 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but yeah, I don't think you can. You 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: can drink an epcop. I know that I've never drank 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: an Epcot, but I hear it's epics. Yeah, it's very fun, 37 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, Jesse, I was just in Orlando a few 38 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: weeks ago playing in a golf tournament, which I talk 39 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: about now all the time because that's all I everyone 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: would do at Lake Nona. Yeah, very nice. It's very nice. So, Jesse, 41 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: are you from Orlando? Yes? I'm from Orlando, like born, 42 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: born and raised, born and raised in Orlando, yep. And 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: do you live at home still? So? Um? I was 44 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: in West Palm for the past year and then when 45 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: I got on the show, um my least was up. 46 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: So I was like, so I didn't resign it. Um, 47 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: so now I'm back. I've only been here for a 48 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: few months, but just waiting waiting for the show to 49 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: end and move in with some girls. Story of our 50 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: lives Yeah, like I'm not wasting money when I'm shooting 51 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: a show. Yeah. Yeah. Ashley and I both have done 52 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: the move back home with our parents during this stuff. 53 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: It's great, it's the best. It's nice, it's it's comfortable, 54 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: but it's also like I'm going crazy because when you 55 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: live on your own and then you come back, you're like, oh, 56 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: now I'm back, but temporary. So so tell us about 57 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: your family dynamic. Do you have any siblings? What kind 58 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: of household did you grow up in? Give us a 59 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: picture of this. Yeah, so I have an older sister. 60 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: She is six years older than me, so she just 61 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: turned thirty. And my mom and my dad are divorced. 62 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: That got divorced when I was going into high school, 63 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: so I'm a lot closer to my mom. I live 64 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: with my mom. My sister moved out when I was 65 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: like eleven or twelve, so we definitely have a really 66 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: good relationship, but very separate lives. When you're kind of 67 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: that young and your sister's gone and dating and living 68 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: with her boyfriend, you don't really see her that much. 69 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: So but I have a Puerto Rican family. I'm one 70 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: hundred percent Puerto Rican. I don't look it, and I 71 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 1: can't speak Spanish, but my hope. Even my sister's first 72 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: language is Spanish, so growing up she had a hard 73 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: time learning English. So when I was born, my mom 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: did the opposite and didn't speak as much Spanish in 75 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: the house around me, so that I just grew up 76 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: hearing more English. But if you were to meet my parents, like, 77 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: they have a strong accent, they look Spanish, they look 78 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: at your like, they look very like. We get European 79 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: a lot. Like when we go to Europe, people think 80 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: we're from there, with my family's from there. So yeah, 81 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: so your family's close, You're closer with your mom, you're 82 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: living with your mom currently, you have grown up in 83 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: the Orlando area. You went on to university. Correct. I 84 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: think I saw to Florida State. Is that correct? Okay? 85 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: And then I mean, you're not that far out of 86 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: college at this point in your life, So tell us 87 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: about the little like gap between college and the show. 88 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: What was happening? Why was the show you know, perfect 89 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: timing for you? Yes? So, um, right after college, I 90 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: moved to West Palm to go after my first job. 91 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: I was actually doing recruiting, um, which is not what 92 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: I intended on doing, but it was kind of fresh 93 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: off COVID getting a job is really hard during my 94 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:26,559 Speaker 1: my graduation period. Um. So. I also went to South 95 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: Florida for my college boyfriend at the time, And um, 96 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: I really when I date someone, Um, I don't date 97 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: around I ever had dating apt before. I don't even 98 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: think I've even had like a like a one time date. 99 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: I think every guy I've gone a date with I 100 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: actually becomes my boyfriend, um two times. Um. So it's 101 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm very like intentional on my date and like if 102 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: I fall for someone, like I kind of just stick 103 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: to it, which isn't always a good trait to have honestly, 104 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: so which I've learned that now, but kind of moved 105 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: towards South Florida for him, and he didn't really want 106 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: Like I was like, you know, I want to be 107 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: married by this age, and I want to do this 108 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: and this, and like I'm gonna live with my friends 109 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: for this long and then we'll live together. And he 110 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: was very very traditional and was like that is. He 111 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not getting married until I'm like thirty, 112 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: and I was like we're twenty three, Like what like what? 113 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: So we were very different people, but because I love 114 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: so hard and you know, I thought he was my person, 115 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: I stayed longer than I should have. And when we 116 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: ended up breaking up, I was a wreck and I 117 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: was just not well. And my friend signed me up 118 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: for the Bachelor. And I actually got a call on 119 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: his birthday. No way, Yeah, I swear like I'm not lying, 120 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: like on everything. I was in my best friends. I 121 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: was in my best friend's room and I was like 122 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: really upset because I was just like we weren't speaking, 123 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, it's just so weird to have 124 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: a best friend and then you don't speak anymore. And 125 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: then I get a call and I actually decline it 126 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: because I was like, I don't know this area code. 127 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: And I got a text and I was like, we 128 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: just start screaming, Like we didn't speak for like five minutes. 129 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: You're just screaming and jumping up and down. And I 130 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: was like, you know what this is aside from God, 131 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: like even if I don't, because at the point, I 132 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: was like, there's no way I'm going on the show, 133 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: Like they're not gonna want me. So I just remember 134 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: being like, this is just my sign that there's someone 135 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: out there for me and I need to stop holding 136 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: on to something that's not meant for me. And when 137 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: I came here, so wow, that's so cool. So did 138 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: you ever watch the show beforehand? Because a friends signed 139 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: you up. Yeah, No, I have watched the show. I 140 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: watched Sprinkles here and there. But the seasons that I've 141 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: actually watched through from start to finish was Hannah be 142 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: and Peters Seated Sea. Yeah, those are really good seasons. Sorry, 143 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: I didn't want to hear guys, it's okay. You're born 144 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine. We are before your time. We 145 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: know it's okay. I'm hurt, that's fine. Yeah, yeah, those 146 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,119 Speaker 1: are the seasons I watched the most. But I watched 147 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: Sprinkled here and there, but um, I just never really. 148 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: I know, I know that on paper I am young, 149 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: and so there was no part of me that was like, 150 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: you guys like the bachelor would accept me. So I 151 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: just didn't think that. And my friends obviously, you know, 152 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: my biggest supporters, and they were like, just do it, 153 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: like why not? And so my friends signed me up 154 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: and the rest was history. So you've you've mentioned, you know, 155 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: I don't think you're that young for this show. In fact, 156 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: I don't think you're young to find love in general. 157 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: I found my wife and met her when she was 158 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: twenty four. He had turned twenty four. Actually, so now 159 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: we're married and it's working out pretty good. But she h. 160 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: But you've mentioned a few times just about your faith. 161 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: In fact, on a previous episode that you did with us, 162 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: you mentioned that when you found out that Charity I 163 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: was going to be the bachelorette, you shared devotional with her. 164 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: That's sounds like a big piece of your life, a 165 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: big piece of what makes you you. Do you mind 166 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: expanding on that a little bit. Yeah, So in high school, 167 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: I was a youth group leader. That was pretty much 168 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: all I did. I was very dedicated to my church, 169 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: and you know, I never drank in high school. I 170 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: didn't go to really any parties, and I kind of 171 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of why my personality is the 172 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: way that it is today because of that experience. So 173 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: good or bad to whoever, whatever people's opinions are. But 174 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: that was just my perspective. And you know, my faith 175 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: isn't perfect. It's rocky, and you know I questioned God 176 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: all the time, but I am a woman of faith, 177 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: and I do believe everything happens for a reason. I 178 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: believe it was God's plan for me to be here. 179 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: And you know, I do get a lot of comments 180 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: about my age, and you know, all I can say 181 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: that a is like, I don't think age means anything, 182 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: and I think it's how it's when you're ready, and 183 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean I am ready. I would never put myself 184 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: in this position with the amount of like hate you 185 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: can get from this experience, oriented or not. And so 186 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of a sensitive person and I 187 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't put myself in that position. But what I liked 188 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: about The Bachelor was, you know, because I don't really 189 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: date around, I'm terrified too, and you don't know a 190 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: man's attentions, they'll they won't be upfront with you about 191 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: it obviously when are they and with the Bachelor, like, 192 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: you know that man is ready, you know what he's 193 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: looking for, you know what he wants. So I think 194 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: with this experience, I was like, that's so refreshing to 195 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: meet someone that is ready for that, because how often 196 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: do you find a twenty six year old man that 197 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: can compidently say he wants to get engaged in a 198 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: month or two, you know. So it was definitely something 199 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: that I was very intrigued and interested in. It's interesting 200 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: you say this. I wonder if you can at all relate. 201 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: Told Ashley this before, but before I was on the Bachelorette, 202 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: I was working a job out here in Denver. I 203 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: wasn't dating, I didn't really have any friends, but I 204 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: didn't know what to do about saying yes or no 205 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: to going on the show, and so I just say 206 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: it set a simple prayer. I said, God, if this 207 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: is not meant to be close one door, my friendships 208 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: tell me not to, my family tell me not to, 209 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: or my workplace tell me not to. And all three 210 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: of them flew the door wide open, like, did not 211 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: stop me. They said, take us about a cool you 212 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: can keep your insurance, go have fun. My family's like, 213 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: this is super exciting and cool for you. My friends 214 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: are like, it'd be funny to watch you and so, 215 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: and then I find myself on the show. Did you 216 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: pray or did you consider this or did this just 217 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: seem right? As soon as they asked, oh yeah, I 218 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: struggled with with it so so much. I mean like it. 219 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: It would depend on the day you would ask me 220 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: if I was gonna do it or not. One day 221 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: I'd be like yes, when they'd be like no. Um. 222 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: I think part of that was protecting myself of rejection 223 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: if you know that if the franchise decided to go 224 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: a different direction and not include me, and I didn't 225 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: want to get my hopes up. I think the other 226 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: part was also, you know, is this God's plan for me? 227 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: Like this requires me possibly quitting my job, This requires 228 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: me not resigning a lease and coming back home. This, 229 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, when I'm just starting my career. So it 230 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: was a lot of things that I was having to 231 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: really think about. And my family has never watched this 232 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: show before. My mom had no idea what this was. 233 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: When I flew from my interview, my mom was like terrified. 234 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: I was gonna like be kidnapped, and she didn't think 235 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: it was real. So I was very, very soloed independent 236 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: with figuring this out. Of course, I had my friends, 237 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: and obviously your friends are gonna they're living through you 238 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: and they want to do it. But when you have 239 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: your friends saying yes and your family saying this is 240 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: really scary for me. I had to turn to God 241 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: a lot of times to just figure out, okay, like 242 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: take out all the outside noise, what is meant for me? 243 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: Like what direction should I go? Because I'm risking so much. 244 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: But before the show, I knew I had so much 245 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: growing to do, whether it was loving myself, whether it 246 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: was speaking up more or you know, all the things 247 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: I knew I had to do that I knew I 248 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: had to, you know, put myself out there because it 249 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: takes me a while to do that. And I was 250 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: just like, what's the worst that could happen? I'm gonna 251 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: leave stronger than I was before. So they kind of 252 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: did kidnap you in a way like you kind of 253 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: just disappear for three months or two months or ever longer. There. 254 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: I was honestly, I was like, if I'm kidnapped to 255 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: like my mom was right like that you show up 256 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: live in a house so you can't talk to anybody 257 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: outside of it. Yeah, yeah, right, that's like kind of scary. 258 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: You have to make sure you say mom, dad, I'm 259 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: with the producer. They have a nice hotel room ready 260 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: for me. Jesse, you are also a believer in Taylor Swift. Yeah, 261 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: you mentioned it in your ABC bio and you have 262 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: that amazing moment when you were doing the witchcraft in 263 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: Europe about what did you say? You said things you 264 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: really love? Is that what it was? And you said 265 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift? So it was Zach everything you'd want in 266 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: a Taylor Swift song. Oh you know, I think he's 267 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: everything that I wanted him to be. But I don't 268 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: think Taylor. He's Taylor Swift approved for me. Doesn't it 269 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: mean he's not Taylor Swift approved for whoever he could 270 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: be with. But for me, I think I need more 271 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: sparks flying. So ah, great, pun I was gonna say, like, like, 272 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: is he kissing in the rain and all of those 273 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: dreams from You're You're glad that you saved those moments 274 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: for another guy? Yeah, I mean the big question there 275 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: then the fall up to that would be, you know 276 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: when you heard Zach was gonna be When you're asking 277 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: me on the show, did you know Zach was going 278 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: to be the bachelor? Um? You know when I was interviewing, 279 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: I know that the talk was like it was like 280 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: between like four guys. I actually have a video or 281 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: a photo of I went to my best friend's house be. 282 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: I didn't even get my flight yet they announced. I 283 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: don't know if it was final Rose. I don't remember 284 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: how they announced it was Zach, but at that point 285 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: I still didn't know. It wasn't confirmed. And there's this 286 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: photo of me sitting on the ground looking at the 287 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: TV like waiting for Jesse to like announce who it was. 288 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: And it's so sweet because it's like, you know, before 289 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: I even knew anything. And I'm glad my friend. Every 290 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: one to have a friend that captures these like candid moments. 291 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: But so it's a sweet memory to have. But I 292 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: had no idea who it was going to be. I 293 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: was definitely hoping it was Zach, but it was never confirmed. 294 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: I feel like Charity, there was like talk here and there, 295 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: and but was Zach, Like I thought there was multiple 296 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: people that they were talking about. So I didn't know 297 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: and then literally find out it's him, and then a 298 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: day or two water I get on a flight and 299 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: I'm gone. So it was very quick and also exciting 300 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: because I was like, I don't want to sit here 301 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: and like google him and anything. I want to just 302 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: go and meet him. So did you have a backup pick? 303 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't going to be Zach? Who else? Did 304 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: you want to pay? Not necessarily, I don't really go 305 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: for I know this is cliche and I feel like 306 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: everyone says this, but I don't really go. I don't 307 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: want to have like a type necessarily. It's more such 308 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: a personality and how someone makes me feel and like 309 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 1: I would need to be comfortable. So it was I 310 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: was hoping it was him because he had kind of 311 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: a calming, sweet presence and he is like physically someone 312 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: that I would go after, but I was open to 313 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: any other of the options for sure. Before we wrap 314 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: up with you, I know that we talked about it 315 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: during the Women Tell All episode that we had you on, 316 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: but I think we should talk about it again, just 317 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: like you know your your moment, which was you talking 318 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: to Zach about the one on one day and how 319 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: you hadn't had one and how that made you upset 320 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: and it made you feel like you couldn't open up 321 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,479 Speaker 1: to him because you needed that extended period of time because, 322 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: like you told him, You're like, I get really nervous 323 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: with guys that I like, and I can relate to 324 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: that so much, Like I need so much warm up 325 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: time to really show my true self, and I think 326 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm a bachelor. It was frustrating, and just like in life, 327 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: it was always frustrating for me because it was like 328 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: I get so clammed up when I would be around 329 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: a guy that I liked, But I was like, please, please, 330 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: please let him give me enough chances and enough time 331 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: for my real personality to come through. So was there 332 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: anything anything besides what we saw on TV that you 333 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: want to discuss about your relationship with Zach and just 334 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: that night? I mean, of course conversations were shortened, but 335 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: every conversation we had like he was very, very reassuring. 336 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: Leading up to our breakup, we did have a private 337 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: conversation where he did address his concerns about his hesitations 338 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: about my nerves and me not being vulnerable, and that 339 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: was when I was it was still the same kind 340 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: of misunderstanding that we had in our breakup, but it 341 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: kind of like sparks that idea and going into of 342 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: like okay, like I see where he's coming from, like 343 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: let me work on it. That Estonia which date was 344 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: very uncomfortable for me because I am Christian and I've 345 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: never practiced which craft, and you know, I kind of 346 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: looked at it as like, this is a really cool 347 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: experience to learn about the Estonian culture and you know 348 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: all that stuff. And when I was going into that 349 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: conversation with Zach, I was going to open up about 350 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: my faith and I did. I talked about me being 351 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: a Christian, and I think that's when he mentioned he 352 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: was Catholic and I was trying to get more into that, 353 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: and then it switched on over right to our conversation. 354 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: So you know, it was tough because I felt like 355 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: I was trying to be vulnerable and you know, give 356 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: him what he what we previously discussed, and so I 357 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: thought that's kind of like the biggest part that like 358 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: no one really got to see was it I was 359 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: really really trying. And that added to my confusion of 360 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: like I'm confused why this is happening. So I would 361 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: say talking about religion is definitely an intimate conversation. Yeah, yeah, 362 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: I thought it was so. Yeah, And you're confused because 363 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: it felt like, what, there's a disconnect, like there wasn't 364 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: an intrigue or interest back from his side. Um, not necessarily. 365 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: I didn't go into that expecting, like I didn't, you know, 366 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: even though as a Christian you should be dating someone 367 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: that is strong in their faith. Honestly, every man updated 368 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: hasn't been. But I wasn't going into that trying to 369 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: get that out of him. I just wanted him to, 370 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, understand why that Witchcraft date was a little 371 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: bit weird for me, and kind of getting insight of like, oh, well, 372 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: this is why it was weird for me, let me 373 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: explain to you. And I did have a conversation with 374 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: the witch privately, and we talked about my confidence and 375 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: I was really excited to share that with him. When 376 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: the when the kindle light and out, we got to 377 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: discuss what I was talking with the witch and she 378 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: told me, you know, it might go out sometimes, but 379 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: when you ReLit, it's it's the start of a new chapter. 380 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: And I was excited to share it out with him, 381 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: you know. After we had a private conversation that about, 382 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, our relationship, and I was excited to be like, well, 383 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: now there's a new chapter that we can we can 384 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: start on. And so it was. It was definitely tough 385 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: because I was trying to get there, and then the 386 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: disconnect that we had from that private conversation led into it. 387 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: So okay, So this brings up a whole other thing. 388 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: It brings up a theme. Why does Zach get so 389 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: freaked out when there's some sort of disconnect. You're always 390 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: going to disconnect with anybody, even the most perfect person 391 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: for you. You're going to have an argument where you 392 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: don't see eye toy. That doesn't mean you should just 393 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: let the person go. Do you feel like this is 394 00:21:54,640 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: a trend um? I mean yeah, it has a no. 395 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, you know, the disconnects that 396 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: he's had with other women. I don't know if he 397 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: necessarily sent him home right away because of it. I 398 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: think it added to it. I think kind of like 399 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: what I was saying before was he could have been 400 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: more sensitive, but he already knows that. That's like, if 401 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: he knew I wasn't his person, you know, why continue on? 402 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: And maybe he just wanted to get right to the point, 403 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: but I definitely he could have been more sensitive for sure. 404 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: But Jess, it's weird because then later on that night 405 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: you walk into your one on one conversation with him 406 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: and he says, I'm really confident about us. Then you 407 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: have the meat of the sandwich, and then at the end, 408 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: on the other side of the bread, he goes, I'm 409 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: not confident anymore. Goodbye. Yeah, it's it's a very strange situation. 410 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: You know. I don't think in reality I even caught 411 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: on him saying that, or else I probably would have 412 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: been like you just said that, yeah, honest. But I 413 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: think it's funny because later that episode he goes on 414 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: that one one with Ariel. Then he says, this time 415 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: together is what like I got to know you more 416 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: and like you're awesome, and it's I remember watching that 417 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: like yeah, like that like me too, and any other 418 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: woman too, Like that's what happens when you spend time 419 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: with people. You get to know them and you fall 420 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: for them or you don't. And I think for me 421 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 1: it was one of those things where it was like 422 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: I like I really thought me and Zach would click. 423 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: So it's like, give me that time to show you 424 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: more of me if that's what you want to see. 425 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: But when it was happening, I was like, I'm not 426 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: going to beg for you to understand my perspective if 427 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 1: you don't want to understand it, like that's on you, 428 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna sit here and keep trying to 429 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: make you understand. Well, I think at that moment you 430 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: inspired a lot of girls just by saying the line 431 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna beg it for your Would you 432 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: say you're not gonna beg for your what I'm not 433 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: gonna beg for you or things? I said, yeah, And 434 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: you're just not gonna beg for him. To see what 435 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: you're trying, it's like you're just not going to fight. Yeah, 436 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: there's a different seen fighting for somebody and then like 437 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: begging for someone. So I was actually scared when I 438 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: said that because I was like, does he want me 439 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: to get back for him? Like I don't even know? 440 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: So I was like nervous, but it's why, I don't know, 441 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: It's what I felt. So well, if he did want 442 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: you to beg for him, he ain't worth it. So 443 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: you did, all right? You did? Okay, Well, you know, 444 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: for as limited amount of time as Zach took took 445 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: advantage of spending with you. We have been able to 446 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with you, and it's been 447 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: awesome to get to know you. And I think the 448 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: future is very bright for you. Again I said earlier, 449 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: I think we're going to see a lot of you 450 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: on television and it's gonna be awesome to see your 451 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: story play out. So as we sit here now, woman, 452 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: til all has aired, you don't know if you're going 453 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: to be on TV again. Your time on the Bachelor 454 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: franchise up until this point is done. Who knows what 455 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: happens in the future. What is next for you as 456 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: you sit here today, What have you learned about yourself? 457 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: What are you looking forward to in the future. What 458 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: is next for Jessica? Yes, so I am really focused 459 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: on my career right now and moving, which is what 460 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: I don't think we've mentioned it yet. What is your career? Yeah, 461 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: so I do merchandizing, e commerce merchandizing, so working for 462 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, big corporate companies and kind of like you know, buyers. 463 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: It's like a period of fashion merchandizing basically, and then 464 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: I also do marketing on the side for a small company. 465 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: So kind of just in the direction of just the 466 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: fashion industry. But I love Florida. I would love to 467 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: raise a family here, but I feel like I want 468 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: to continue to push myself out of my comfort zone. 469 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: And as of right now, my goal is to move 470 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: to California. I've only been there for this show, so 471 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: I but I've always wanted to go, and I've always 472 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: wanted to live in like a cute, little small beach town. 473 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: I don't only think Alla's my vibe, but definitely somewhere 474 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: that's just like, yeah, like a small beach town. So 475 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: that's my goal. A few of us on the show 476 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: I want to move together. Um So right now just 477 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: kind of figuring out how I can get myself there. 478 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: Um But you know, the world's might oyster. So wherever 479 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: I end up, I'm sure I'll make the most of it. 480 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: Should I do five random I would like to so 481 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: I was hoping you did. Here's here's an interview here. 482 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm interested in this question mostly personally. Most 483 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: people maybe wouldn't be. But your faith is so much 484 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: of who you are. You've talked about it a lot, 485 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: You've gone into detail. You mentioned it to zach Um 486 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: coming off the show now has has what are the 487 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: big questions around around you in your relationship with God 488 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: and what this was all about? Like do you have 489 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: any questions swirling around your head? Or do you feel 490 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: pretty peace of mind about all this experience? Oh my gosh, 491 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: I always have questions. Um. You know, I think a 492 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: question I've had before and after the show is like 493 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: like do I need like should I stop going after 494 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: men that aren't a faith? Um? And also like who 495 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: am I to make that judgment if my faith is 496 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: not at its best place as it used to be. Um. 497 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: That's like one of my questions for myself that I 498 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: struggle with. UM. And I think, Um, this franchise really 499 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: really likes big personalities, and UM, I'm not gonna cry, 500 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: so I don't want to cry. Mum. I don't know 501 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: why I'm crying on a podcast. There. I've cried many 502 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: times here, You're fine, this is a space wow. Um. Anyway, 503 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: So this franchise really likes really big personalities and I 504 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: never thought that not having that would be a fault. UM. 505 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: So it's been a lot of like although like you know, 506 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: looking back on this show, I've loved myself in terms 507 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: of with like men and stuff, but like not begging, 508 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: and I'm proud of myself for that. But also there's 509 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: another take of like is there like a fault and 510 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: should there be a fault of not being a big 511 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: TV personality and does that make me not worthy enough? 512 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: So it's like it's it's been a lot, you know, 513 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: just being a girl and going in my own head 514 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 1: and stuff. But so that's a lot of conversations that 515 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm having of just like figuring out like what I 516 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: bring to the table and like it being enough. So well, 517 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, the worst thing and Eboul can do is 518 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: tell you how you should feel or tell you what's 519 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: wrong or right here. But I think if you did 520 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: watch my season back when you were probably in middle school, 521 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: you would see that you and I are very similar, 522 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: and that you would see that you and I both 523 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: were probably not made to be on TV. But here's 524 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: a piece of advice I want to share with you. 525 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's going to help her her. 526 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: There's two things that have been said to me since 527 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: my time on the show that have changed the way 528 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: I see what's next. The first is from the former 529 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: host of the show, Chris Harrison. We get off the show, 530 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: and we're sitting at a bar. If share this story 531 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: many times, long story short, We're having a glass of 532 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: whiskey and he has been what is this all about? 533 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: For you? Like, what are you gonna do with this? 534 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: You know the world is your oyster. You have just 535 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: been the Bachelor. What are you gonna do with it? 536 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't know. I'm not made 537 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: for this right. Relevancy feels exhausting to me, and the 538 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: spotlight is at times very anxiety driven for me. I 539 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: don't know what this looks like. And he said, Okay, 540 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: here's my piece of advice. Use this thing that you 541 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: just did to enhance the life you've already had, not 542 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: change your life completely. The second piece of advice was 543 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: for my best friend, because I was asking the same 544 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: questions that you were asking yourself right now. I was 545 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: feeling very insecure about the fact that I was not 546 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: the biggest personality and that some would say I was boring, 547 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: and that some would say that, you know, I wasn't 548 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: made for this, and I wasn't. Who said, then, this 549 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: whole thing has never meant to be about you. It's 550 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: always meant to be about something bigger. It took the 551 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: pressure off and it's changed everything I do, and so 552 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: take it, leave it. I think you were made for it, 553 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: and I think there's a reason that you're on this show. 554 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: And I think the reason is for who you are, 555 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: and not for who you can become or what you're 556 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: going to change into, just for who you are, so 557 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: to get to know who you are a little bit better. 558 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: Ashley always ends this in the most fun way. Um, 559 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Jesse, you are the sweetest. You're the sweetest, 560 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: and your personality it's shown. It's shown here on these 561 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: podcasts and in your moments on the Bachelor. So I 562 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: just want you to do Sorry, it's not expecting to 563 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: tear up, but Jessica, I bet eighty five percent of 564 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: our in depths, we either cry or the guest cries 565 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: in Like, I just want you know. That's like very common. 566 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: Like it does feel better. It does not make me 567 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: feel weird. In fact, I go finally, like we're getting 568 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: some real stuff here. We're not talking about dating on TV, 569 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: like we're gonna know her. Yeah, yeah, fulfilled. It's very 570 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: fulfilling when we're like not talking about sex week. Yeah yeah, okay, 571 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: all right fun of fact time, if you had to 572 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: choose a celebrity lead to have led your season besides Zach, 573 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: what guy would you want it to be? Okay, well, 574 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: I have one guy from Bachelor Nation, but I will 575 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: take that. No, that's the next question. That's who do 576 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: you want to see in Paradise? Oh, I'll answer that 577 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: one next. Okay, so the lead, I would say, oh, 578 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, he has no celebrity crushes, but 579 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: she does have bachelor crushes. I don't think I'll say 580 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: the Bachelor one because he would never go. But I 581 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: would say maybe like, um, Harry Styles. Okay, good answer, 582 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: such an ease. Yeah, the same answer my wife would give. 583 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: It's the same answer. Jeez, he's he's hot. Right now, 584 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: there's a guy from the last no Vikings Valhalla. I 585 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: don't know his name, but he is so cute. I 586 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: don't know his name, but he's like I think he's 587 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: Scottish or something, but I'm like, he's he might be 588 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: the most handsome man. I remember I didn't know his 589 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: name because that would have been different from him. I 590 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: just finished that show, and I know exactly what you're 591 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: talking about because I point him out to my wife. 592 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: I was like, isn't that dude handsome? Like, yeah, he 593 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: knows I'm talking about that guy. Okay, okay. I feel 594 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: like you're saying that it's tyler Ce, that you would 595 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: like to see him Paradise and that you don't think 596 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: would ever come. I mean every girl would say that, 597 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: like he's he's a cutie, you know, yeah, and he 598 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: is up everything. I don't know. Maybe Okay, Well, will 599 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: you be upfront with us if you do meet so 600 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: and so in Paradise he would never go, well, I 601 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: mean really like your pick would never go you're saying 602 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: never ever go? Oh? I mean I am so excited 603 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: to meet any guy that goes to Paradise. God's good. Okay, okay, okay, 604 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: A more answer answerable question for you. What is your 605 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: favorite Taylor Swift album? Oh? Easy folklore? Oh folklore? So 606 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: you like more offbeat? I like very like you no 607 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: sweet slower songs. But my friends think I'm in my 608 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: reputation era, so that's I might be that might be 609 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: my album right now. So, I mean that moment that 610 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: you had was pretty reputation. Yeah. I feel like Taylor 611 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: Swift is very close to starting her own religion, like 612 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: the way that Ashley talks about well, I know you 613 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: also believe in Taylor Swift. Oh my gosh. The amount 614 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: of girls that have DM me over me saying Taylor 615 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: Swift Like, yeah, girls have been like I love you 616 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: because you love Taylor Swift, and I'm like, I'm glad 617 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: that's the reason. Thank you. I'm always like when people 618 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,479 Speaker 1: tell me that too, I'm like, but don't we all like? 619 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: Does that make me unique? I feel it makes me 620 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: less unique because she's my favorite, Like I feel pretty basic. 621 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: But I'm if I find someone that doesn't like Taylor Swift, 622 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, something wrong with you? But all right, to 623 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: each their own. Okay, how about this question? How do 624 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: you feel about mustard on pancakes? Would you eat them? No? 625 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: I would never them. What is your favorite food? Um? 626 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: I love seafood, So I think I'm still trying to 627 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: figure out my favorite my favorite food because you know 628 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: that trend where it's like what would you eat on 629 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: your death row? Like what would your death row meal be? 630 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: Were you picked last food? And I have I don't know. 631 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: My answer to that is different every time, but what's 632 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: always consistent is sushi. I love sushi. Love sushi too. 633 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: Prison sushi sounds really good? Yea, how it would have 634 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: crossed like an ice cream Sunday or some okay, sounds good. 635 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: Sounds good. So then when you were going through your 636 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: suitcase while you're at the mansion and while traveling, how 637 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: did you pick which dresses to wear? When Oh, gosh, 638 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: you know what, Honestly, I picked my worst every time 639 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: because I didn't think he was like. I just was. 640 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 1: I was believing what he was telling me. So I 641 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: was like, I'm fine. So um that was like my 642 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: biggest thing. When I came home, I was like, I 643 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: didn't get to wear my favorite dresses because I literally like, oh, 644 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: I was so thrown off. Oh, Jess, I'm more heart 645 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: heartbroken for you now I know. And it's funny because 646 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: everyone tells you wear your best first. Yeah, I feel nothing. 647 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: It's funny that you feel for her. I feel nothing. 648 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, that makes sense. She had a good strategy. 649 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: It didn't play out. We're fine, Oh she did. She 650 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: had a great strategy with the amount of reassuring he 651 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: did with her. But yeah, you definitely go best first. 652 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: It was a funny story. So the night that I 653 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 1: went home a woman's intuitions everything. Then I went home. 654 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: I knew I was getting sent home. I had like 655 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: obviously I was still blindside. I know people were like, 656 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: how are you blindsided? But then you knew you were 657 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: going home. We're women, That's what happened. So I was like, 658 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: something's going to happen tonight. And I actually wore Cat's 659 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: dress and I wanted to the dress that I was 660 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: saving for a one on one and I was like, no, 661 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna save that for the one on one. 662 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wear that tonight. I was like, I'll 663 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: wear your dress tonight, and I remembered like in my interview, 664 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: I was like, I want to take this off. Like 665 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: I was like I don't want to wear this dress, 666 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: Like I don't want to wear it, and like we 667 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: had to leave and they're like you have to keep 668 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: it on, like let's go, and I was like I 669 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,919 Speaker 1: don't want to wear it. I was like, I'm gonna 670 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: get dumped in this dress. And then I got dumped 671 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: in the dress, and I really was like I should 672 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: a warred my one on one dress, Like damn, how 673 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: did you get it back to her? Um? You you 674 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: hand it off to a producer. Yeah, yeah, okay. My 675 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: final question is a two parter. Which of your Bachelor 676 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: castmates would you feel would best help you survive on 677 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: an island. I'm not asking you who you'd get along 678 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: with best, but who would best help you survive? Katie? 679 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: Why's that? I just well, I love her so I 680 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: would never get annoyed with her on an island a loan, 681 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: and she just I just she really just knows so much, 682 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: like she's so knowledgeable her aerial. Actually, I feel like 683 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: they both are very, very knowledgeable, and I feel like, 684 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: you know, they would know how to survive, and they 685 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: would they would know some tricks up their sleeves. I 686 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: don't know, Okay, who would flounder? Who do you definitely 687 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: not want to be because you be the one pulling 688 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: all the way. Kat Okay, Cat would agree with me too. 689 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: I think she knows that she would not. I think 690 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: she would be like freaking out and I would have 691 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 1: to like hit her with a coconut or something. All right, Oh, 692 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: you are the cutest. Thank you for answering all your 693 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: questions of being so vulnerable. Thank you. I appreciate it. 694 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: You guys, you spent a lot of time with us 695 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: and we were thankful for it. Again, if you didn't 696 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: catch Jessica breaking down the woman tell all with us, 697 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: that's in a previous episode. You can find that in 698 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,280 Speaker 1: our feed as well. This has been an in depth 699 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: episode and we're very thankful that you did it. We 700 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: wish you the best. You can always have a place 701 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: to come back to here. We'll be kind. I promise, 702 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: not that you'll ever have a reason for us not 703 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: to be, but these next few months for you are 704 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: going to be incredible. We're excited to watch them. Until 705 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: next time. I've been Been, I've been Ashley, I've been 706 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: jess Bye. Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous 707 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: podcasts on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.