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Speaker 1: The fight's over. We know that that's his trick. But

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Speaker 1: Is there any other type of script for Derek Lewis

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Speaker 3: It's really gonna be up to Derek Lewis to find it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know. In Lewis's potential favor here

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Speaker 1: I probably would too, right, but the pick is Cyril gone.

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Speaker 3: It would be. It would be amazing for him to win.

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Speaker 3: In which we've discussed two things to keep in mind

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Speaker 3: He's got that on lock. He's not gonna wow you with.

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Speaker 3: You know, the the amazing strikes that he lands, probably

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Speaker 3: But see how many mistakes a guy like that makes.

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Speaker 3: But one of the places that they had highlighted BC

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Speaker 1: that perfect storm of Wailey Jong knocking out Androge to

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Speaker 1: the Kimbo Slice Houston Alexander fight, believing that maybe Andrage

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Speaker 1: I'm just asking about your grave really right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some people believe that, and like in a complete

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Speaker 3: I don't know. No, I don't think so that's.

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Speaker 1: But then I got right in Gon's face and put

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know about that. I think he's just

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Speaker 1: Luke, I want to focus on a pair of very

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Speaker 1: Bandam wait, we know the storylines here. Brazilians Galore Jose

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Speaker 3: He's always had very very good defensive wrestling. His takedown

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Speaker 3: unexplored abilities. No, I don't think that's crazy at all. Plus,

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Speaker 1: mixed with the wear and tear on his body, if

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Speaker 1: he can withstand that for a long time. So his

427
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 1: idea was just go full speed, let's get it, you know,

428
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 1: as far as we can go. Okay, he lost that fight.

429
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 1: Now he wants to almost reset, take it slowly, round

430
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: out his game, as I mentioned, but but really try

431
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 1: to you know, systematically and strategically climb the ladder, which

432
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 1: this is a big fight potentially for that to reposition

433
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: him for another big fight to get back into that

434
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,120
Speaker 1: title picture. So I like that attitude, and that shows

435
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: you the confidence level that he can maintain this weight

436
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 1: and that it's not killing him. Do I have questions

437
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: if he could become a you know, dogastanie like dragon

438
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 1: repeat wrestler and really yank at that gas tank considering

439
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 1: how hard it is to cut down and well, no,

440
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna go out there and be

441
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 1: an offensive wrestler. I think he'll still be the same guy.

442
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: But the real question as you look at the odds

443
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 1: and as you look at how you handicap this Luke

444
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 1: right now, Caesar Sportsbook has although minus one fifteen is

445
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: the favorite, minus one to ozh five for Pedro Muno's,

446
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: they're very similar short of all those five inch reach advantage.

447
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 1: Do you think Munos is on this version of Jose

448
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 1: Aldo's level.

449
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 3: In terms of overall ability, No, I don't think he's

450
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 3: that level. However, the one thing he does that could

451
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 3: be a real problem is one he's got decent knockout power.

452
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: He's obviously battle tested as well, has a nice winter

453
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 3: for Jimmy Rivera. As I mentioned, he can snatch up

454
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 3: subs out of nowhere to so he should not be

455
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 3: for folks who are like, oh, Aldo's gonna run him over.

456
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I would imagine that would win. But you know,

457
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 3: this could get a little troublesome. The one thing is,

458
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: while he has a negative differential with his striking BC,

459
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 3: it's at nearly six strikes landed or absorbed per minute.

460
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 3: That is very high. So what does that tell you?

461
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: This dude is throwing a ton of volume, a ton

462
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 3: of volume almost not quite almost one and a half

463
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: actually almost almost two x of what Jose throws. Not quite,

464
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 3: but you get the idea that that is something where

465
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 3: if he can consistently pour on the pressure and maybe

466
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: some of us having success and maybe some of it's not.

467
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 3: But you have a guy at bandsaway who has a

468
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 3: rough cut, he's able to make it test that gas

469
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 3: tank a little bit, put him on the back foot

470
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: a little bit. You know, he doesn't mind getting hit.

471
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: It's part of his DNA, quite frankly. And so if

472
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 3: you have that, that will allow potentially overtime some openings.

473
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: If you can withstand the punishment that a guy like

474
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Speaker 3: Jose can dish out over time. I think that kind

475
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 3: of onslaught of four pressure volume. Listen. That's a punishing

476
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: way either way to fight. It's hard for the person

477
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,479
Speaker 3: doing it, it's hard for the person who is receiving it.

478
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 3: But it's not a bad way to win a fight

479
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 3: if you can maintain it. And I would say a

480
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: guy like Aldo should be able to beat that, but

481
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 3: that could get real dicey as the fight goes late. Yeah, Bapa,

482
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 3: I hear you on that.

483
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: Look. I think all those words are one thing, Luke,

484
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, at bantamweight, he's

485
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: a headhunter. He is who he is. I think these

486
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: guys are gonna go to war. I think both will

487
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: get hurt. But I think Josie Aldo gets the stop itch.

488
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: I think Munos is a little bit too in love

489
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: with being exciting for the fans and swinging for the fences.

490
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: This is his biggest opportunity, although obviously that guard Brant

491
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: wins still looms pretty large. I think we're gonna be

492
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: celebrating Jose Luke. I love the shit out of Hold,

493
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: Although I never loved Josee. Aldo in his prime. Respect, respect, right,

494
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: but never like actively cheered for the guy. Love. I

495
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I love. I always love old athletes when

496
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: they're when they're still trying to linger and find that greatness.

497
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: And you know, you can, you can relate to that.

498
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: We're washed dads. We can, I guess somewhat relate to

499
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: that and the over overall sphere. But I'm kind of

500
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, the fan in me is like, come on, Jose,

501
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: bring that bell again.

502
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 3: Brother.

503
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: All right, that's all I got on that. Thank you,

504
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: keeping it going. Luke welcherweight Michael Kiessa against Vicente Lunke

505
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: save type of stakes in a way to two top

506
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: ten guys, but maybe a quicker path to the title

507
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: potentially for the winner, and as I said Wednesday, maybe

508
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: potentially if that winner is Kis. So you can disagree

509
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: or not all you want, but Luke Luk a slight

510
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: favorite here as I look at the finalized odds up

511
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 1: to this point. While the closer than I than before

512
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: minus one fifteen, Luke minus one oh five Kisa he

513
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: was plus all week. It's obviously striker versus grappler. Here's

514
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: my deal. Luke hinted at it earlier in the week.

515
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: I think Luke can can look great against marginal or

516
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: mid level competition, but sometimes he looks marginal or mid

517
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: level against great competition. I don't think Kisa is great

518
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: per se, like a completely well rounded great fighter. But

519
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: I think this is the best version of him we've

520
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: ever seen. If he can get quasi great, I think

521
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: it's enough to subdue what Luk does best, which is

522
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: just full speed attack you. I think this is gonna

523
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: be Kiyosa taking it to the ground early and often

524
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: and kind of having his way overall. Yeah, he'll have to,

525
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: you know, accruse some damage when they stand. But I

526
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: like Kisa big. Here, Luke talk me off this ledge big.

527
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

528
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 3: I think Luka is a pretty tough customer. His takedown

529
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 3: defense is at sixty five percent. That's pretty good. You know,

530
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 3: he's got his own submissions that you saw. I don't

531
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: think he's as good submission for submission, ground for ground

532
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: as a guy like Michael Kiessa. Fine, but you know,

533
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 3: if you heard a guy enough, then the submission's become

534
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: a lot more appliable. You set it up perfectly. I

535
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: don't have a whole lot to add these guys have

536
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: the exact same reach. It's striker versus grappler. They both

537
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: have a pretty decent amount of experience, again at the

538
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: elite level at welterweight, Luka has a little bit more

539
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: of that than a guy like Michael Kiessa. So we'll

540
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: have to see what to what extent, if at all,

541
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: that matters. The only thing that's kind of interesting is

542
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: you look at Kis's numbers BC. He's got crazy numbers

543
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: of nearly identical landed and absorbed five point seven four,

544
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: five point seven eight, almost the same. These are the

545
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: numbers of Michael Kissa. This is the one part that

546
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 3: might get him in trouble. Strikes landed per minute one

547
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: point eight nine, strikes absorbed one point seven to one.

548
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: So what's the story there, Well, the good news is

549
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: he doesn't take a lot of damage, hardly any. The

550
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 3: bad news is there's hardly any grounding pound, there's hardly

551
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: any striking volume less than two strikes landed per minute.

552
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: That's not a lot. That's actually pretty low for a

553
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 3: guy this elite. So what that means is typically he

554
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: has to win on control. Luca is probably gonna be

555
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 3: a hard guy to control for the full fifteen minutes.

556
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: It can be done, obviously. In fact, Guess I don't

557
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: know what the odds I forget exactly how you read them,

558
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: but Guess is probably going to be, if not the favorite,

559
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: you know, slight underdog. But if your whole game is

560
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: kind of predicated on a little bit of ground and

561
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: pound and a lot of control, that's very labor intensive

562
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 3: and if you don't exactly get the control that you need,

563
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: you're going to be in trouble. Like Habib had a

564
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: lot of control too, but dude, he would rain down punishment,

565
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 3: and he would rain down punishment in transition to get

566
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: better opportunities at control and then to get better opportunities

567
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 3: at ground and pound. He was really good about kind

568
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: of reinforcing it in this cyclical way. Guess is not

569
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: quite that kind of dominant, top level guy. He's a

570
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: little bit more Colby Covington in the way he does things,

571
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: so but a bigger submission threat. I would say he's

572
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: a pretty good submission threat. So to me, it's what

573
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: I'm looking at, is I suspect he'll get control, but

574
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: I want to see how much ground and pound he

575
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: does and how easy that control comes. Maybe it won't matter.

576
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: We see, maybe he'll get the takedown and that'll just

577
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: be that and we can run it down for fifteen minutes.

578
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 3: But if he's having trouble with it, the lack of

579
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 3: follow up ground and pound could be an issue.

580
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is going to be a very very close

581
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: fight on paper, my landing, Kisa, It's gonna probably play

582
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: out that way, Luke quickly on this very good women's

583
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: strawwave fight. You know, I love this a rematch six

584
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: years in the making, when Angela Hill and Tsha Torres

585
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: square off, Luke, Angela Hill was in the plus three

586
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: hundreds earlier in this week. It has come close minus

587
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: one forty. Tsha is your favorite. Angela Hill plus one twenty.

588
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: I have to believe those odds reflect the fact that

589
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: Tisha somewhat you know, one a decision six years ago.

590
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: We won handily. But as was talked about at the

591
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: press conference and as we've seen play out, Angela Hill's

592
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: just a different fighter. And that most recent victory against

593
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: Ashley Yoder, I felt like she was trying to be

594
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: a dominant stopper. She didn't get the stoppage, but she

595
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: was violently going after it. It's hard to beat Tsha Torres.

596
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm not even sure anyone has off the

597
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: top of my head, Luke. She's durable, she's elusive, but

598
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: I think Tisha in some ways have ceilinged, meaning she's

599
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: got a great motor. She's aggressive, but she doesn't have

600
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: fight ending power. And I think this is an opening

601
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: here for Angela Hill to redeem that. I like the

602
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: sauciness between them, Luke, maybe you think that's a flaw

603
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: in my character. But Mark ray Mundy, I see you

604
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: up there, brothers, trying to stir the pod a little bit,

605
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: and he got what he asked for at the press conference.

606
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm ready. This should be a good one.

607
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: Well. Torres had like a three or four fight losing

608
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: streak up until recently. She has two wins to get

609
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: things going again, whereas Hill has won three of her

610
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: last five. She dropped one to water sending Cadelia. Although

611
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: there's a certain amount of controversy there, You're right. Angela

612
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: Hill is a different fighter, completely different fighter, much better decisions.

613
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: And the thing that gets me is her work rate.

614
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: Jesus christ Man. She is always busy, whether she's moving, fainting, throwing, landing, putting,

615
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: combinations together. I'll say this, I think you're right. I

616
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: think a person like Torres is going to have to

617
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: blitz a little bit, which she's pretty good at. She's

618
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: obviously good at kicking range stuff too, but I don't

619
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: think she can match the volume. And then she has

620
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: good volume, but even her, I don't think she can

621
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: match the volume of somebody like Angela Hill. If Angela Hill,

622
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: the one criticism I would have, and I like Angela

623
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: Hill a lot, and I think she has come such

624
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: a long way is that she doesn't take her foot

625
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 3: off the gas exactly. But she's got a little bit

626
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: of that Emmanual Sanchez problem, which is, you know, you

627
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: can go for days throwing offense for days. If there's

628
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: enough of a difference between you and your opponent in

629
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: terms of who has landed, that should be enough to win.

630
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: But if that number gets narrowed a little bit, even

631
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: if you did the better work, it becomes harder for

632
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: the judges to discern what actually happened. You need to

633
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: put a gap on them, and if you don't put

634
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 3: a gap on them, you need to really put devastating

635
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: strikes together. Now this is very easy for some dumbass

636
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: like me on the podcast to say, but it's just

637
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: the reality to the extent that there is narrowness between

638
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: the numerical and qualitative striking between two opponents. Dude, It's

639
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: like you're just it's a guessing game for the judges

640
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: at that point, and they're going to get it wrong.

641
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: It is inevitable. That's actually in their defense. PC. It's

642
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: very hard to judge when someone lands ten strikes versus

643
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: eight strikes and you're trying to parse exactly who had

644
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: the better ones there if they all kind of look,

645
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: you know, roughly about the saying, that's really difficult territory.

646
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: If I'm someone like Angela Hill, I'm working on that

647
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: work rate, keeping it up. But back at the gym,

648
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: I'm working on what are ways I can find to

649
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: meaningfully move closer to finishes, to really find devastating openings.

650
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: What are some things I can do to bring that

651
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: to bear. I am sure she has done that. It

652
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: would be very valuable for her to use that tomorrow.

653
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: Night, and I'm certainly not writing off Tischa Torres. I

654
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: give her a lot of credit after that four fight

655
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: losing skid, which all came against Super Earleague competition. In

656
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: this division. To come back with two wins. When you

657
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: lose four in a row, your job's on the line.

658
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: She's only thirty one years old. Yes, those two wins

659
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: came against you know, marginal competition, but look, she's in

660
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: tremendous shape. I know that was a big talk the

661
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: press conference where Tisher referenced Angela's comments about you know,

662
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: pre Usada and post Youside and all that. But let's

663
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: give Tisha credit. I know that her best wins came early,

664
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: particularly an Invicto. She'd beat Paige Manzan, she'd beat rosenama Unis,

665
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: beat Felice Herrig. But you know, she's she's lingered and

666
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: she's found a way that I think her problem is

667
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: that she's just not a finisher. So when somebody's got

668
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: weapons a little bit more than her, they've been able

669
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: to outlast her. But she's very durable and very game.

670
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: So this should be a very good fight. And Luke

671
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: to close the main card, here's where you have to

672
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: tip the hat to the UFC and kind of put

673
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: that interim conversation behind us. This main card are all

674
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: bangers that are basically pick'ems on the betting odds. This

675
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: bantamweight clash to open could end up being the sleeper

676
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: in terms of fight of the night when we get

677
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: Casey Kenny as a minus one twenty favorite against plus

678
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: one hundred underdog Songy Dong mister Fabers product there both

679
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: could use a really big win in this crowded division. Luke,

680
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: are you leaning either way here? Based on their history?

681
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: I found that the power of song You Dong is

682
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: not to be trifled with. He has legit serious knockout power.

683
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: But Casey Kenny is scrappy as shit man, really good

684
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: about controlling fighters, finding dominant positions in the grappling, has

685
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: a pretty high work rate himself, gets hit a little

686
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: bit for my taste, which makes the you don't fight

687
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: you know, could go either way in that sense, But

688
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: Kenny is tough man. He's really tough, so I would

689
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: lean towards Kenny. But obviously Song You Dong is a

690
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: is a force.

691
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: Kenny, fresh off the split decision, lost to dominant Cruz.

692
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: But he's the guy Luke who had that famous SoundBite

693
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: of let me bang with somebody, Please, somebody come on

694
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: and bang with me. So I'm always cheering for that

695
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: guy Luke. Song You dong. By the way, I think

696
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: that you know, only twenty three years old. I think

697
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: we still haven't come close to seeing the best of him.

698
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: His days will calm, but if you can get a

699
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: big win here, those days may end up coming sooner, Luke,

700
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: very good stuff right there. You've already talked about that

701
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: prelim main event of Bobby Green and Raphael Physiev earlier

702
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: in the week. Is there any other fight that jumps

703
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: out to you that you're really looking to see who

704
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: gets the edge this weekend?

705
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: That would be more. I mean, I can't believe ed

706
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 3: Herman's still fighting. I mean, what is happening there?

707
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: That Shorpe's baby fucking a and.

708
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: He's fighting Alonzo Minifield just like destructive, terrifying knockout for us.

709
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 3: Ed Herman has taken a lot of abuse over the ye.

710
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: Hey, dude, ed Herman's forty. He's riding a three fight

711
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: win streak, Luke, including one against your favorite barista, Patrick Cummins.

712
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 3: Fair enough. I'm not saying he deserves to be cut,

713
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: or that he's bad or anything like that. It's not

714
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I guess what I'm saying is, Dude,

715
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 3: I mean he's been in the UFC since two thousand

716
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 3: and six. He made his debut against Kendall Grove. Kendall

717
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: Grove isn't even in combat I mean, he had a

718
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 3: great career, but in anyways, but he's not even in

719
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: combat sports anymore. Listen to these opponents. Are these opponents

720
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: even active in the man anymore? Jason McDonald No, Chris Price,

721
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 3: I don't think so. Scott Smith, No, Joe Dirkson, who

722
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: used to be really good. No, Demian Maya. Has he

723
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: done yet? I can't remember if he's done yet. Alan

724
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: Belcher no, David Luazzo No, Aaron Simpson, no hold on

725
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: Alan Belcher, No, Kyle Nok No, Clifford Starks, no, Jake

726
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: Shields no. Jacquesay is probably on his way out. Trevor Smith.

727
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 3: I don't know what he's doing. Tal Us Light he's

728
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 3: no Natal No, and then you know, changed a little

729
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: bit after that. But Jesus christ Man.

730
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus indeed, big fan Luke. Alan Belcher is fighting

731
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: in BKFC or B yob.

732
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: Er Is it?

733
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: Never the hell? That bootleg? Another bare knuckle one is

734
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: so put some respect on that name, all right?

735
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: Right?

736
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: Fair enough?

737
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: He once fought Sexyyama.

738
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

739
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: Wow, Well, dude, sexy Yama does not age Luke. I

740
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: don't know what he's taken, but I love some of

741
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: that definitely. Okay, that's weird. That's all I got here

742
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: on the UFC. Very good card for the hardcore fan

743
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: this weekend, Luke interested in checking that out, all right?

744
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: Number two, look in our topics this week involves that

745
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: UFC heavyweight division. Dana White was on the Nelk Boys podet. Look,

746
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: what the hell's a Nelk boy? Are those those influencers

747
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: that are always backstage?

748
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, they look like they deserve some wedgies, but I

749
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: don't really know more than that about them.

750
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: All Right, here's Dana White's comments to then, me and

751
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: John Jones have had that type of relationship his whole career.

752
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: When he's ready to fight, we are ready to go.

753
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: He's talking about fighting at heavyweight, but in the heavyweight division.

754
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: Right now, we are going back to Houston. Lewis has

755
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: taken on Ghan and whoever wins that will fight Francis Andnganu.

756
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: Whoever wins that fight. If John Jones wants to come back,

757
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: he can fight one of them, or he can fight

758
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: step A meu chicch. In fact, Stepe has accepted that

759
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: fight and will take that fight. Luke, there's been talk

760
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: on the interwebs in the last three days. Did the

761
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: UFC do one of these things that they love to do,

762
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: which is send a contract to fight or b have

763
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: them accepted even though fighter A hasn't even been offered

764
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: it just to try to put that pressure or public

765
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: pressure or reverse pressure. Where the hell do you think

766
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: we're actually at to the idea of John Jones and

767
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: Steepe fighting this calendar year.

768
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: I don't think we are. I would listen what the

769
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 3: actual truth is. Have I spoken to Miochic or Jones's camp. Nope,

770
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: I've not. I've not had any information shared with me.

771
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: But just knowing the way that sometimes these things go.

772
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: Even yet on what on Wednesday show, I told you guys,

773
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: you know Max Holloway's team was caught by surprise with

774
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: that announcement. That was not a thing that they were

775
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: expecting at all, and the UFC just went ahead and

776
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: made a claim about it. I would be very skeptical

777
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 3: about this claim, or at least at a bare minimum,

778
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 3: let's say this. I would very much wait until there

779
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: is corroborating evidence from both sides that there is interest

780
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: for this fight, and it more than just interest, like

781
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: actionable interest, because John Jones has been saying he wants

782
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: to fight, he would fight step A blah blah blah

783
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: blah blah. But hey, there are a series of demands

784
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 3: that have to be met, usually relate to financial concerns,

785
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: and until those are I'm on the shelf. So like

786
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: if we just asked John, hey, do you want to

787
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 3: fight Steepey, I suspect we'll get the answer yes. The

788
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: question is are we meaningfully closer to that fight actually happening?

789
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: And on that score, I'm gonna say no until there

790
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: is much more evidence to support that. I would be

791
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: very cautious about these bold proclamations about what could be

792
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: happening with some of these guys.

793
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: Now, at one point, in fairness to Dana, he's required

794
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: to give a certain amount of fights offers to his

795
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: fighters under contract, and maybe this is one they did offer,

796
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: and maybe John turned it down, or maybe it just

797
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: wasn't up to the financial wanting. But look, I think

798
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: if this is not that, and this is trickery that

799
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: the UFC sometimes does, they got to get past that.

800
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: I'm not telling them how to handle their fighters, Luke,

801
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: but this is a bad look when you're sort of

802
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: kind of lying. It's like when Dana says constantly, Oh,

803
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: John Jones doesn't want to fight. What that really means

804
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: is John Jones doesn't want to fight for what I'm

805
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: offering him. So that's where we're probably still at. So again,

806
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: go behind closed doors and figure that out. And if

807
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: you don't have any news you know until then, don't

808
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: don't leak this kind of stuff. Go backstage, sit down

809
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: with him, figure it out. He's either gonna fight or

810
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: he's not. But tell the truth, bro, you're on top

811
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: of the game.

812
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 3: Don't. Uses a lot of different mechanisms to kind of

813
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: pressure some of these guys into doing things that they

814
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: would prefer them to do. It's not new. It's a

815
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: little gross, if I could be honest about it, and

816
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: the reality is not every time, but it's effective enough

817
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: that they can make it work. I think it was

818
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 3: Arijjuane who had a long tweet thread talking about how

819
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 3: in certain cases it's not uncommon for the UFC to

820
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: threaten to strip a guy who's a champion in order

821
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: to get him to you know, take fights on certain

822
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: dates or against certain opponents, or whatever the case may be.

823
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: You know that really, if there was a union, this

824
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: would not even be on the table. I don't suspect,

825
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: but there isn't. So all of the normal protections that

826
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: prevent any kind of let's say, arm twisting, those protections

827
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: don't exist. So these guys are kind of floating out

828
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: here in a situation where they got a very powerful

829
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: corporate entity who has very important interests, and they need

830
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: compliance to make that happen. So they're going to find

831
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: creative ways to get compliance.

832
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: Now, look to close on this, not jaded, but the

833
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: punk in me, right, the Josh Thompson and me is

834
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: just like, all right, Dana, if you really want to

835
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: see this fight, just pay for it and you can

836
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: see it.

837
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: Bro.

838
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: But am I overlooking like it would this fight not

839
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: be the pay per view bonanza that I'm trying to

840
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: imply it would? Am I not understanding the full value

841
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: of if they gave John the millions he wanted? Do

842
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: you think that this fight actually because STEVEE is a name,

843
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: but he's never been a massive individual. Drafts dependent on

844
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: his opponent a lot, or if seam Punk's been on

845
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: the same card. Do you think that this fight is

846
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: not a big time seller. If it was its loan

847
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: pay per view main event.

848
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: I think it would sell well. I think it would

849
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: sell well. I think John again, John has everyone misunderstands.

850
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: They think either you sell a million pay per views

851
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: or you sell none, and they don't really understand that

852
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: if you can sell consistently four hundred thousand or more

853
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 3: seven hundred thousand something like that. And John's been in

854
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: that range that four to sort of seven, a little

855
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: higher at times obviously, but you know, consistently in that range. Dude,

856
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: that's a that's a that's a money maker for you. Yeah,

857
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: that is great.

858
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: Ben's GSP, that's Anderson Silva. That's that's it. That's the

859
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: sweet spot, right when you know, like there's been Luke.

860
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: Do you know how many Connor McGregor's, brock Lesnars and

861
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: sometimes Ronda Rousey's there's been in UFC history two and.

862
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: A half, that's how many there's been. All Right, Right,

863
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 4: that's it, right exactly. So is he on that level? No,

864
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 4: he's not on that level. But against Miochich going up

865
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 4: to heavyweight promoted correctly, BC, you know, greatest light heavyweight

866
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 4: versus essentially the best heavyweight UFC's ever had, I think

867
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 4: promoted correctly, that could do you know, five hundred thousand

868
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 4: maybe a little bit more something along those lines. So yeah,

869
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 4: that's a real money maker for UFC if done correctly.

870
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: Sure, all right, well, let's keep it going on the

871
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: UFC news. This this goes actually it goes a little

872
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: deeper than the UFC. LUCA goes to all pro sports

873
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: in life, and it's the fact that COVID nineteen is

874
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: back and back in a big way, delta variants all that. Luke.

875
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: A lot of talks about vaccination still and now it's

876
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: bleeding into the sports world. We've seen the NFL what

877
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: require and mandate players under their rules to do that.

878
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: And they're not mandated in the NFL, thank.

879
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: You for correcting me.

880
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: What are they heavily incentivized where if you're vaccinated versus unvaccinated,

881
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: like the things you can do when you're vaccinated is

882
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 3: just so much more. And also the penalties where if

883
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: you're unvaccinated and you get COVID and then games have

884
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: to be if they can't be rescheduled, then you just

885
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: take the l and you miss game checks. They basically

886
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: made it not it's not mandatory, but holy shit, the

887
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: world will collapse on you if you don't have it.

888
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: Well, maybe this is not for po time, Luke. I

889
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: did not listen to your full live chat yesterday nor

890
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: see your daughter in your arms. I hear it was great,

891
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: but I hear you dropped a pipe bomb to bring

892
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: cmpunk back into this conversation about vaccine. So I'll give

893
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: you the floor in a second. But here's how all

894
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: this started. Michael Chandler went live on IG and said this,

895
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: I just saw that the State of New York is

896
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: dropping some heavy mandates on the City of New York. Basically,

897
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: they're requiring you to be vaccinated and show proof of

898
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: vaccine for indoor dining, indoor fitness, indoor performances, and entertainment. Obviously,

899
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: a UFC card being thrown at MSG is considered indoor entertainment.

900
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: I will not be vaccinated at that point. I don't

901
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: know how many fighters if I was to fight on

902
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: that November sixth card, whoever is fighting on that card,

903
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how many fighters will be vaccinated. I

904
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: don't really have a tally for who or who isn't Luke.

905
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: Those quotes were then communicated in a sense to Dana

906
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: White during an interview with TSM the other day, where

907
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: he said, quote, I would never tell another human being

908
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: what to do with their body. If you want to

909
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: get vaccinated, that's up to you. That's your choice. You're

910
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: never going to hear me say I'm going to force

911
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: people to get vaccinated. Never gonna happen. Luke to follow

912
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: up on that in the same interview with Aaron Bronstead

913
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: ter Dana and he also said it later at a

914
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: media scrum, basically said, look, if shit goes crazy again,

915
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: I got Abu Dhabi, I got Houston, Texas, and I

916
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: got the state of Florida, and I'll just be lapping

917
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: that trio right there. So that's where we stand there.

918
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: Is that the right call, Luke, given the let's not Joe,

919
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: given the super serious nature about the rising numbers and

920
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: the fact that we could be close to going back

921
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: under another lockdown.

922
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to another lockdown. I'm I'm

923
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: very skeptical that that would happen. But even now here

924
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: in my own city, they have reinstituted mask mandates, at

925
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 3: least for indoor, nothing outdoor, but independent of vaccination status,

926
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: any place inside the city. Now you gotta have a

927
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: mask on. It fucking blows. But what are you gonna do.

928
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 3: Here's where I want to come down on this. I've

929
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: made my opinions about this pretty clear, but this is

930
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get a lay of the land.

931
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: If people don't want to have this conversation, and I

932
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: understand that, but it does impact sports. My local radio shows,

933
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 3: I've been talking about it because you will recall b

934
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: see at the beginning of the sort of the early

935
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: preseason stuff, it was the Washington football team that had

936
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 3: one of the lowest vaccination rates of any team in

937
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: the NFL, and the coach Ron Rivera was like really

938
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: kind of pissed off about it because the NFL and

939
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: the NFLPA together had come and put a series of

940
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: agreements in there where if again, if you're unvaccinated and

941
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: you got COVID and it cost your team in some

942
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: kind of way, the cost personally and to the team

943
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: would be devastating. So they have reached nearly ninety percent

944
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: as a consequence, they were less than fifty percent. So

945
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 3: it shows that there are ways in which you can

946
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: incentivize getting people who otherwise would be a little bit

947
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: vaccine hesitant. I think, to the extent that those measures

948
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: can be explored, they should, because here's where I think

949
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: you have to understand something. The people who are now

950
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: predominantly again, there are gonna be a lot of medical

951
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: cases BC where not a lot, but there are gonna

952
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: be some medical cases where people are not going to

953
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: be either vaccine eligible or won't be the right choice

954
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: for them. I made a point a buddy of mine's

955
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: sister got diagnosed with MS. She wants the vaccine, she

956
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: was administered of the vaccine, but her body, because of

957
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: her medical condition, won't accept it, so she's just gonna

958
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 3: be unvaccinated. There's gonna be other folks who are going

959
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: to not take it out of an abundance of caution

960
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: given some other medical conditions. And I certainly understand that.

961
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: But the reality is this, there are just people in

962
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: this society who do not believe that they have a

963
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 3: role to play in public health. They don't whether it

964
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 3: is the mask they complained about when it was the

965
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: lockdown they complained about, when it was social distancing they

966
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: complained about it, and now it's the vaccine and they're

967
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 3: complaining about it. Basically, these are people who do not

968
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: want to do anything about it. And the reality is

969
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: that's just not going to work. It's not going to

970
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 3: work in the United States. It's not going to work

971
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: in Canada or Mexico or Europe or Asia or Latin America.

972
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 3: There is no world government, not one that is going

973
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: to it. Certainly when the UFC is going to go

974
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 3: to that is going to accept the idea that we're

975
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: just going to let COVID do its thing. It's not

976
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: going to happen. And so I would much rather live

977
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: in a society be see where we can make these

978
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 3: things elective. I do not necessarily want to see anything mandated,

979
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: and I don't know if we're going to really get

980
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 3: to that point, certainly with UFC. But this is the

981
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: other part about it, dude.

982
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: The window on.

983
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: Like you have the elective choice to do this is closing.

984
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: It's almost already closed in Europe, by the way, and

985
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 3: here you're beginning to see it pop up. There is

986
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: one way BC. You know this as well as I do.

987
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: There is one way out of twenty twenty, and I

988
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: said this yesterday. I'm not going back to twenty twenty.

989
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: What the fuck the fuck is happening?

990
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: You're still there?

991
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: Do you hear that?

992
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that your family?

993
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck that is. Hold on,

994
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: put the thing on, uh, put the camera on, BC,

995
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: I gotta figure out what. Sorry, no, what I don't dude,

996
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 3: I just got taken over by the ex or sist

997
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 3: what is right? Just let me let me finish my point.

998
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: My point is, My point is only this if after

999
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 3: every single attempt which is not intrusive with the mask,

1000
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: which the vaccine is certainly a little bit more of

1001
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: a complicated medical decision, I understand that. But if at

1002
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: every single layer of that there is this constant resist,

1003
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: you are not leaving health professionals and frankly governments in

1004
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 3: charge of social order a whole lot of choice about

1005
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: what to do about this. And the other part I

1006
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: don't understand about BC is you know, Okay, you can

1007
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: go to Abu Dhabi, you can go to Vegas, you

1008
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: can go to Florida, you can go to Texas, but

1009
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: you can't meaningfully grow your brand in China. If you

1010
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: can't go to China, you can't meaningfully grow. They want

1011
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: to have a big splash in France, while I got

1012
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 3: news for you. France ain't accepting any Americans who are

1013
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: not vaccinated. I don't understand how you can maintain a

1014
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 3: worldview that doesn't support getting us out of a pandemic.

1015
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: Not so much for UFC and Dana White, but and

1016
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: more generally speaking to the combat sports community. If you

1017
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: want to leave the misery behind, and I know most

1018
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 3: folks do, people, you have got to understand there is

1019
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: no other door. There is no other choice, there is

1020
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: no other solution. There is one. We either get hurt

1021
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: immunity and you can maybe be that last straggler that

1022
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: doesn't get the vaccine, or more commonly, you've got to

1023
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: get the vaccine. It is safe, it is legal, it

1024
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: is effective, it will work. It is our only path forward.

1025
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: There's certainly layers to this conversation. You know, we started

1026
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: out by talking should Dana White mandate it? We never

1027
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: expect he ever will, you know, and he'll certainly. His

1028
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: track record shows that he's going to go to any

1029
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: lengths to keep the show on the road, and I

1030
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: respect that. And nobody wants to hear per se in

1031
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: theory our combat show taken over by vaccine talk, Luke.

1032
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: Although I respect your opinion, I have gotten a punch

1033
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: of DMS of people like if liv brings up the

1034
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: VACS again, I'm out of here. Well, if that's the case,

1035
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: then go please okay, because this whole issue got a

1036
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: little bit more personal for me just in the past

1037
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: few weeks, Luke, you and I used to joke about

1038
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: me being anti Vaxxus as pre COVID, right, And I

1039
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: was only anti from the standpoint that I don't feel

1040
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: like the government should force you to do something that

1041
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: you're just against for whatever reason. I'm talking Mark of

1042
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: the Beast revelations necessarily here, I'm just talking for whatever reason.

1043
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: But Yo, times are harry right now. My parents were

1044
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: not into VACS at all, and they both have COVID

1045
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: right now in the state of Florida. And my mom's

1046
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: been hospitalized for two weeks and it's probably going to

1047
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: be there for another two to three weeks with breathing issues,

1048
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: although she was in great health before this. It's scary

1049
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: as shit. My dad also has COVID. Tried to go

1050
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: to the hospital. They didn't have, you know, really any room,

1051
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: and he wasn't sick enough for a for a you know,

1052
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: so they sent him home and he's struggling, and you know,

1053
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: when it hit it's home like this. You know what,

1054
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: folks listeners to our show get vexed. Please please, Okay,

1055
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: you know I don't want to lose my parents. I

1056
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: don't want you to lose yours. I don't want anything

1057
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: bad to happen. So at this point, shit is crazy.

1058
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: That's my personal editorial right now, make the right decision

1059
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: for you, but understand that if you're not going to

1060
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: make that decision, there's going to be a lot of places,

1061
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: including the NFL, maybe Luke or doing whatever, where you

1062
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: can't go. And that's going to be it at the

1063
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: end of the day, because we all want to live.

1064
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: So it's just last thing you had framed the question.

1065
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: You see. I'm glad you shared those details because BC

1066
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 3: has been sharing some of the more specifics with his parents' condition.

1067
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: It's gain know. It's not a fucking game, man, It's

1068
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 3: not a game. The one thing I would say is,

1069
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 3: you know, whether Dana does or doesn't, I don't think

1070
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: that he will if the NFL didn't even mandate it.

1071
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: I you know, these guys are independent contractors, whereas NFL

1072
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 3: players are employees. There's no way they're going to mandate it.

1073
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: But here's the thing that fans who are on the

1074
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 3: fence or vaccine hesitance should think about, and fighters too.

1075
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 3: Dana White may not make you, UFC may not make

1076
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: you belt or may not make you, they may not

1077
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: even try. But what if all the places you want

1078
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: to go to to fight to get those big opportunities

1079
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: do That is a real possibility. It seems a little

1080
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: remote now. I don't think it's gonna be that remote

1081
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 3: necessarily in a month or two when government's local, state,

1082
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 3: and federal are trying to figure out some solutions to

1083
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 3: close the vaccine gap, and I think you're gonna see

1084
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people and a lot of territories who

1085
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: are gonna employ this. Again, the EU, it's already fucking

1086
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: mandatory if you want to go over there from the

1087
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 3: United States. These are just going to be the rules

1088
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 3: of the road for a lot of different places. Yes,

1089
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: you can just stay in your little hideouts with Vegas

1090
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 3: and every other place and you can make that work,

1091
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 3: but that doesn't meaningfully grow the brand. That doesn't You

1092
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: can't really get and do the things you want to

1093
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: do unless you can expand and you can reach into

1094
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: the world. The UFC used to be the show that

1095
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 3: would go on the road, and they were in this place,

1096
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 3: in that place in uber Langia, Brazil. You're not going

1097
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: back to these places unless you have a measure of

1098
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: vaccination for the most part. So that's what you should

1099
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 3: think about, is what happens when forget Dana White. When

1100
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 3: the government in various places says yes or no, then

1101
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: you got a much tougher choice you got to make

1102
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 3: about your life, in your in your career. The good

1103
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: news is we have a great solution.

1104
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's look, once it hits personal, it does change

1105
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: a lot. So I wish everyone well out there. Let's

1106
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: keep the ball rolling combat wise, Luke, Let's hit the

1107
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: Olympics in Tokyo as it's just about metal time in

1108
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: the combat game. Let's start an amateur wrestling Luke. Wow,

1109
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: wow wow. Just this morning American and University of Minnesota

1110
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: stud Gable Steveson was fighting Lucas That I'm sure is

1111
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: that heavyweight or super heavyweight. It's what one hundred, one

1112
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: hundred twenty five kil Luke. This was talk about clutch

1113
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: city dramatics in the gold medal match, against Georgia's Gino

1114
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: Petria Petriashvili, who was basically called the living legend by

1115
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: the announcers in terms of his credibility. Gable Steveson was

1116
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: down three points with twenty three seconds to go. Luke,

1117
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: He's scored a takedown and then scored another with less

1118
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: than a second on the clock to pull off an

1119
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: eight to seven victory. He did the back, Philipp. He

1120
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: gave you all the kind of theatrics you would expect.

1121
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: Look this. I watched this in real time. This was

1122
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: exciting as all hell. Have you ever seen at this

1123
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: level Olympics or NCAA championship that type of theatrics to

1124
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: win it with no time left.

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Speaker 3: So what's funny about this is two things. One David Taylor,

1126
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 3: who was a stud at Penn State who he was

1127
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: constantly kind of under the thumb of Kyle Dake. Kyle

1128
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 3: Dake got I don't know if you saw this, BC,

1129
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: I might be getting some of these details wrong. If

1130
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: I did, Please, he's dead wrong me. It's okay, But

1131
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: I believe Kyle Dake, who was something of Taylor's nemesis

1132
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: for a long time, him and Burrows and other ones.

1133
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 3: But he dake got tech falled by a guy from

1134
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: Habib's village that Habib has trained with, of all the

1135
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: crazy things in the world, and so I think he

1136
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 3: was trying to go for a bronze. David Taylor has

1137
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: been a guy who was an amazing Penn State wrestler,

1138
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: multiple time national champion, but had you know, had it

1139
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 3: was world champion too, you know, to be clear, but

1140
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 3: you know, had kind of not really seen his full, full,

1141
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 3: full potential because there were just always these other Hammers

1142
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 3: on the team taking up slots. Well, finally he broke through,

1143
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: and he got a gold medal with the last minute

1144
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 3: heroics as well, I think I think with inside the

1145
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: twenty or even fifteen second mark, he wrestled, you know,

1146
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 3: a gold medal away from his opponent, which is just unbelievable.

1147
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 3: But the one you're asking about Gable Stevenson, Dude, literally

1148
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 3: I wasn't even it was like one of those shots

1149
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: in basketball. See, you weren't sure if it got out

1150
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 3: of the shooter's hand before the shot clock or even

1151
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 3: the buzzer rang. But he did. Dude. This is what

1152
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: they mean in wrestling about who wants it more. Yes,

1153
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: there is obviously a degree and in this level an

1154
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 3: Olympic wrestling for crying out loud, extraordinary technical specificity and

1155
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 3: athletic ability, no doubt about it. But dude, sometimes those

1156
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: things are more or less equal. Sometimes those things are

1157
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 3: more or less on par with one another. And what

1158
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 3: matters is did you just keep wrestling? If you go

1159
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: back and you look at how Gable Stevenson won it,

1160
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 3: his opponent was kind of coasting a little bit and

1161
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 3: was wrestling from his knees, which is harder to wrestle

1162
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 3: from one like Gable Stevenson, who was on his feet.

1163
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 3: He was the guy who at the last second kept

1164
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,479
Speaker 3: wrestling at the last second wanted it more. That's what

1165
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: that means. And ninety nine times out of one hundred

1166
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: that probably wouldn't have worked. But the one time it

1167
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 3: did work was in the Olympic gold medal match. It

1168
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: will be a very long time before you see something

1169
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 3: like that. And the last thing I'd say about this

1170
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 3: BC's if you guys don't know who Gable Stevenson is,

1171
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 3: a natomie of a fighter. Did a huge special on him.

1172
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: I highly encourage you to check that out. This kid

1173
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: won the NCAA's just this year. God helped those bastards.

1174
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 3: They had no chance against him. Now he wants to

1175
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: do MMA and pro wrestling. He is the complete package here,

1176
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: blue chip prospect, amazing athlete, Olympic champion and he wants

1177
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 3: to do pro wrestling and MMA. Hold up there, I

1178
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: hope this kid has go ahead.

1179
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get to that in a second.

1180
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: There's no end in his last name, and they're pronouncing

1181
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: it Steveson on the broadcast. So let's put some respect

1182
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: on his name if that is the way, Luke, he

1183
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: had not given up a point throughout this Olympic run,

1184
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: and then, like I said, had won this Olympic final

1185
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: I believe eight seven or nine eight. But Luke, in

1186
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: those closing seconds you talk about presence of mind and

1187
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: commitment to the craft, it actually wasson of the buzzer

1188
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: beater Christian Layner hit in the ninety two final eight

1189
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: against Kentucky. Only from this standpoint, Luke, where when when

1190
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: Laightner caught that three quarter court pass from Grant Hill

1191
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: there was like two point one seconds. Do you remember

1192
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: they kept talking about the presence of mind. He didn't

1193
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: just throw the ball up, he caught it, did a

1194
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: fake one way, faked another way, took a dribble, and

1195
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: basically used every ounce of that two point one seconds

1196
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: to perfectly set up a clean look and a clean

1197
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: shot to win it. That was the only thing I

1198
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: can compare this to, because as the seconds are winding down,

1199
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, this kid's gonna lose here, bro,

1200
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: go for it. What are you doing? You know, I

1201
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: don't know a ton about amateur wrestling, Luke. I don't

1202
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: know what I expect. If he's gonna do like a

1203
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: DDT or some kind of pro wrestling move, No, I

1204
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: didn't know what the hell he's doing. And then it

1205
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: was over and he won like that, Luke. So the

1206
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: commitment to the technique in the craft under pressure against

1207
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: the guy who on the broadcast they were talking up

1208
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: this petriusch Villi is like the guy Luke. Wow. Wow.

1209
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: It's like when we already knew we had a future

1210
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: star in different areas in Gable. I mean, he's named

1211
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: Gable first of all, Okay, you know what I mean? Like,

1212
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of pressure being put on a

1213
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: young kid with with wrestling hopes. We've already had triple

1214
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: H and all the ww folks tweeting the bottom ad nauseum.

1215
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: Gables talked about going there when you he has got

1216
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: like almost brock lessnar level freak athleticism. Maybe not completely comparable,

1217
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: but like, you know, same type of deal where you're

1218
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: like bro put him in a wrestle in a pro

1219
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: wrestling ring. He's just gonna physically do whatever he wants.

1220
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: But I was going to ask you about the fact

1221
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: that he has not seemed to rule out MMA. How

1222
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: much do you think now we don't we don't know

1223
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: his striking and and you know there'd be a learning curve,

1224
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: but do you look at him from what you've seen

1225
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 1: as like, oh yeah, future MMA star if he wants to.

1226
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 3: Be, Here's why you should be very happy. Because Jordan

1227
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 3: Burrows when he came out of Nebraska, he kind of

1228
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 3: was like toying with the idea, you know, kicking the

1229
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 3: tires a little bit on the idea of MMA and

1230
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: Daniel Cormier kind of you know, uh, I don't think

1231
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 3: personal talked him out of it, but it made a

1232
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 3: point of be like, guys, we want, you say, wrestling

1233
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 3: to still thrive. Let's let him go get his Olympic medal.

1234
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 3: Then after that he can decide. And of course after

1235
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 3: he did that, he decided to stay in the sport.

1236
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: The sport made some changes about how people were compensated.

1237
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 3: But the point being is there was a gap between

1238
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 3: college and then winning the Olympics and then what he

1239
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: wanted to do. This guy just finished the NCAA's I

1240
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: think for Minnesota if I'm not came from the same

1241
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: place as brock Lesner. Yes, and I watched him. He

1242
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: ran the fucking table on them. They had nothing for him.

1243
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 3: After he graduated college. He went right to get the

1244
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 3: gold medal. So listen, I don't know what he wants

1245
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 3: to do BC. I don't know if he wants to

1246
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: stay in wrestling and get another gold medal. And we

1247
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 3: had a guy from Cuba, me Hyen Lopez for Greco Roman.

1248
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 3: He got four gold medals in eight, twelve, sixteen, and

1249
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: now this maybe he wants to do that. But the

1250
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 3: point I'm trying to make here is there's no gap

1251
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 3: between graduating college and then three more years.

1252
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: Oh he's going Look, there's too much money to be

1253
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: made in either lane. He's not staying.

1254
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 3: He's what he's twenty one, twenty two years old or something,

1255
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: and he's already got an Olympic gold medal. You've already

1256
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: reached the pinnacle of sport and now you can go

1257
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: make money and beat the shit out of Bozo's who

1258
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 3: aren't even remotely on your athletic level. Dude, this kid

1259
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 3: could be somebody special. Pay attention.

1260
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: He made reportedly made two hundred and fifty K. I

1261
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: don't know where the money comes from, but forgetting this,

1262
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: for securing the gold medal and Luke, it just like

1263
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: think of somebody like Kurt Angle, the ninety six gold

1264
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: medalist in wrestling who went on to pro wrestling fame,

1265
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: and they used the whole broken frickin' neck which Angle

1266
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: won amazingly won the Olympic gold medal with a broken neck.

1267
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: They use that as like his pro wrestling story. Look

1268
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: at this story Gable Stevenson has, you know, winning the

1269
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: gold medal and come from behind fashion with less than

1270
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: a second to go. What a way to be a

1271
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: future star and then leap through the TV set. Incredible.

1272
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: You mentioned David Taylor. Luki wrestles at eighty six kilograms

1273
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: at freestyle. What is eighty six kg in weight and

1274
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: in pounds? Maybe pounds?

1275
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, like one ninety or something. I have

1276
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: to double check.

1277
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: He defeated Iron's Hassan Yazdani four to three in a

1278
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: very close one. Luke, do you have any indication what

1279
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: Taylor's future isn't? I haven't read up much about this guy.

1280
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 3: See Taylor's a little bit longer in the tooth, and

1281
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: I think this is the one he was chasing. I've

1282
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: not heard him say in any interviews what he wanted,

1283
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 3: but I mean I remember covering him. I remember covering

1284
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 3: the first Taylor versus Dake fight or not fight, excuse

1285
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 3: me match at American University. They had done a USAW

1286
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 3: God was exact name of it, I remember, But that

1287
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 3: was like twenty eleven or twenty twelve. You know, David

1288
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 3: Taylor is much older now. I think this is the

1289
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 3: thing he was looking for. I wonder if this might

1290
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 3: be it for him, even even though though the next

1291
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 3: Olympics is only three years away. I tend to think

1292
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 3: that he's probably gonna go into coaching or something else.

1293
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: I don't he's never really expressed any desire to do MMA,

1294
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 3: although one never knows, but I think this is probably

1295
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 3: his pinnacle moment.

1296
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just stay away from fox. Catch your farm, Luke,

1297
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: just in case, all right, that was that was that

1298
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: was That was classless, Luke, that was borderline. Pat Tillman

1299
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: Day right there, I'm sorry about that, Luke. On the

1300
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: boxing side, look, this has been a resurgence for the

1301
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: American men in boxing. The last time a gold medalist

1302
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,919
Speaker 1: American men andre Ward two thousand and four in Athens. Yes,

1303
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: we had Deontay Wilder win a bronze and oh wait

1304
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: went with seemingly little amateur experience. But Luke, it's been

1305
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: barren since then. Shaquer Stevenson four years ago won a

1306
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: silver medal and came close. But Luke, we had three men.

1307
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: By the way, female boxing the Olympics is only eight

1308
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: years old and Clarissa Shields won two gold already, so

1309
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: she's been fantastic. But men's side this year has been very,

1310
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: very good stuff. Duke Reagan at featherweight came as close

1311
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: as you can come, going through a nice run of

1312
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: four straight wins, got into the gold medal match against

1313
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: Albert Batira Gaziev of Russia and unfortunately came up empty,

1314
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 1: getting swept across the three rounds. The Russian was much

1315
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: the South, Paul was just much busier than him. Reagan

1316
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: tried to rally for a knockout late. Could not pull

1317
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: the trigger there, Luke, but he has looked like a

1318
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: fine future pro prospect and fought great. Two more men

1319
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: on the American side have gold possibilities. As we close

1320
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: down one. He Sean Davis. Luke remember this name, just

1321
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: twenty two years old from Norfolk, Virginia. He was supposed

1322
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: to be in the twenty twenty Olympics. Then he skipped

1323
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: some mandatory training camp. They cut him from the team.

1324
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: He ended up getting a redemptive exemption to get back on.

1325
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: He will be in the gold medal match at lightweight

1326
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: against Cuba's Andy Kruz. Here's the hook, though, Luke. Andy

1327
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: Cruz is three to zero against Keyshawn Davis in international competition.

1328
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: Davis was about to turn pro, but he went back

1329
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: for the Olympics. Here he has looked spectacular. He's a technician.

1330
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: He has a great chance. People are thinking even though

1331
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: he's lost a cruise three times, because of how good

1332
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: he has looked in these rounds. This should be a

1333
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: very good match. I believe it's Sunday morning for folks

1334
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: who want to check it out. And one more American

1335
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: light heavyweight Richard Torres Junior, a big southpaw Luke. He'll

1336
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: be fighting in the gold medal match against Uzbekistan's Baco

1337
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: Deer Jalolov. In the hook here, Lou Luke, and speaking

1338
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: of a hook, Dja Loolov sent Torres to hell, knocked

1339
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: him out cold in the twenty nineteen World Championships in

1340
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: the quarterfinals. They will be getting a rematch here in

1341
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: the gold medal. And also on the women's side, welter Wait,

1342
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: O'sha Jones won a bronze medal for USA at welter Wait.

1343
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: So good stuff here, Luke from American boxing, which had

1344
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: been a laughingstock, a joke really in international circles on

1345
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: the Olympic level of late.

1346
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 3: Yes, by the way, you didn't mention the.

1347
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: Well.

1348
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 3: First of all, let me ask you a question, how

1349
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 3: are the Olympic women's boxing doing at all? For Americans?

1350
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: I just mentioned O'sha Jones won a bronze That was

1351
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: our highest finisher from what I've seen. Jenny Fuse was

1352
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: a favorite, but she unfortunately did not medal.

1353
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 3: See O'sha I thought was a dude's name. I apologize, okay,

1354
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 3: but you didn't mention Tamaira Mensla Stock, the American woman

1355
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 3: who got a gold medal in wrestling, which should not

1356
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 3: go without noticing. I noted this, dude in twenty twenty obviously,

1357
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 3: you know, the world collapse or whatever. But in twenty nineteen,

1358
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 3: before all that, she had won the year Agon Grand Prix,

1359
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 3: which is like one of the most prestigiou Russian tournaments

1360
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 3: that there is. She had won the PanAm American Championships,

1361
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 3: the PanAm Games, and the World Championships. She had gotten

1362
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: gold at all four. She was overdue right there, and

1363
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 3: she won gold this time and has maybe one of

1364
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 3: the most infectious attitudes I've ever seen a you know,

1365
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: not a born winner, but a mad winner and tremendous,

1366
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 3: tremendous athlete.

1367
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the celebration I saw that, by the way

1368
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: it was. It was heartwarming and I left that out

1369
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: of my rundown accidentally. Thank you for bringing that up.

1370
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: And we have the thea.

1371
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 3: Also, Hella Marulas got bronze.

1372
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, Hey, has American women's wrestling had

1373
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: any kind of history or how recent was that added

1374
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: as an Olympic sport?

1375
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not I'd be speaking out of turn. I'm

1376
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: not sure.

1377
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll ask my good buddy Lee Selker, a former

1378
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: Duke wrestler who keeps me up to date in the DMS.

1379
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, right, Luke, let's head on over to

1380
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: some quick hitters to close out here as we set

1381
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: the weekend, Luke boxing wise, Canela Alphas will not be

1382
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: fighting Kayleb Plant this September, but it looks like, according

1383
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,479
Speaker 1: to Eddie Hearn, Canelo is close to signing a deal

1384
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: for October to fight light heavyweight champion Dmitri Beevall, who

1385
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: has that WBA strap. But the key here Luke beaver

1386
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: Ball fights at one seventy five, but he has been

1387
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: claiming forever that he can make one sixty eight if

1388
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: he needs to for a big fight, and Eddie Hearn

1389
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: is saying it could be a catchweight bout, maybe around

1390
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: that one sixty eight one to seventy area, but still

1391
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: have Beevoll's one hundred and seventy five pound title at

1392
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: stake if this happened, Luke, considering Canelo already went up

1393
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: to the full one to seventy five to beat Kovelev,

1394
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: he is threatening to take the belt from better beav

1395
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: or the two belts, sorry, in a showdown we all

1396
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: want to see. Would you have any misgivings about Canelo

1397
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: doing the catchweight route in this case?

1398
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 3: No, this is significantly more interesting than the Kayleb Plant

1399
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. The Kala Plant fight has more significance in

1400
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 3: the sense that it would be this complete unification of

1401
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: the weight class. And yeah, obviously Caleb Plant is talented.

1402
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 3: I know you think very highly, but I do think

1403
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 3: he's quite good. But while the catchwaight would not be

1404
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 3: ideal with Bivoll, it would lead to potentially a fight

1405
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 3: with the real hammer at one hundred and seventy five

1406
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 3: pounds in Peterbev, which is the one I've been wanting

1407
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 3: to see for a while now, and so I would

1408
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 3: much rather see. And by the way, it's also the

1409
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 3: perfect test because if you can't beat Bivoll at a catchway,

1410
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 3: you don't have a fucking prayer against Peterbev. So let's

1411
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 3: see what he looks like there. To me in terms

1412
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 3: of just like interesting fights versus interesting steaks, and there's

1413
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 3: interesting stakes in this one too, But this fight is

1414
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 3: way more interesting to me than the Kala plant fight.

1415
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: You don't know Bevall. He is a very technical fighter,

1416
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: a big light heavyweight. Despite the fact that he said

1417
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: he can cut down in weight. He's tall, so this

1418
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: should be a very interesting technical matchup. Luke I spoke

1419
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: out of turn. They're still targeting September, not October ad

1420
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: here and said September eighteenth, Mexican Independence Day weekend is

1421
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: still the target for this fight. If they can get

1422
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: it done. The catchweight would be somewhere between sixty eight

1423
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 1: and seventy five. So interesting stuff right there. Let's keep

1424
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: it moving here. Luke fad Emilianenko finally has an opponent

1425
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,839
Speaker 1: for Bellator Moscow and his return to his native country.

1426
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: This fight goes down October twenty third. It will be

1427
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: on showtime. We don't know what time of day it'll

1428
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: air live though in the States. But Luke, we were

1429
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: talking about Josh Barnett threw his name in there. Jake

1430
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: Hager wanted him. We were like, what are we going

1431
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: to do? Rematches with Matt mittreone for Bricio ver Doom JDS.

1432
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: No Fador will take on American Timothy Johnson, who last

1433
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: fought for the Bellator Interim heavyweight title in June, a

1434
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: good showing, but came up empty against Valentine Muldowski.

1435
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 3: Luke.

1436
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: The hook here is that Fador was in Moldowski's corner

1437
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: as lead trainer for this, so he got a good

1438
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: look at Johnson, and that's the direction we're going thoughts.

1439
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 3: This is a dud for me. I think this is

1440
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 3: a real miss by Bellator. Candidly, I don't I don't

1441
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 3: get sized for this one at all. I like Timothy Johnson.

1442
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 3: I thought he fought quite ably against Boldowski. I think

1443
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 3: he has really improved his career, and there's a part

1444
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 3: of me that's obviously very glad for him to get

1445
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 3: opportunities like this, But just as a fight fan, I'm

1446
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 3: not really all that interested in seeing interested he gives

1447
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 3: me and seeing fade or compete at the stage anyway,

1448
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 3: and if it was going to happen to me, it

1449
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 3: needed to make sense, Like you got this kind of

1450
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 3: like historic royalty. There should be something kind of matching

1451
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 3: that or making this otherwise interesting. This doesn't really do

1452
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 3: it for me at all, quite frankly, and I think

1453
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 3: I really I don't understand what Belatore was thinking here,

1454
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 3: Like what we're like if you're trying to save on

1455
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 3: costs because you don't want a big payroll when you

1456
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 3: already got to pay fade or Okay, I can sort

1457
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 3: of understand that, but even with that, it's like, this

1458
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 3: is what fell completely flat for me.

1459
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to really defend this. When I

1460
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: heard it, I was, you know, oh, come on, now,

1461
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: Look the plus is Luke if there are and he

1462
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: is that. You know, I talked to Johnson by the

1463
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: way when this news broke, and you know, he's like,

1464
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: Fador still got power. But you know, I'm not going

1465
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: in there to get a decision. I'm gonna try to

1466
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:18,560
Speaker 1: get out of there as quickly as possible. We know

1467
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a war. All fad Or fights are

1468
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: at this point. He's gonna come in there quick hands,

1469
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: go for the knockout, and he's either gonna get you

1470
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: or you'll get him. I think the negative side is

1471
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: name value mixed with I think you'd have to favor

1472
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: Johnson to win this. So not only is this like

1473
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: a fight that doesn't grab you, Fato's got a great

1474
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: chance of losing it. I just felt like, Luke, this

1475
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: is not his retirement about by the way, although he

1476
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: could retire if he loses, he does have an additional fight,

1477
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm told under his belat Or deal. So it's not

1478
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: necessarily that. Why not do Jake Hager, who who's you know,

1479
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: Jack Swagger, the wrestler merit, you know, all American persona

1480
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: would go in there and probably get sent to hell

1481
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: and the fans go wild in Moscow. Luke and Hager,

1482
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 1: by the way, is a heavyweight. Given that the pool

1483
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: isn't that deep in Belatour, that seemed to be perfect.

1484
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: But what do I know, Luke Johnson is very able

1485
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: and capable of winning this fight.

1486
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of times, man, where I look

1487
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 3: at Belatore's roster. You and I have had this conversation. Listen,

1488
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 3: anything I say critically about Belatour, I do not say

1489
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 3: out of malice or mean intent. I merely say it

1490
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 3: because it would be what I would say about UFC

1491
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 3: if they did something like this too. It's exactly the same.

1492
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 3: They've got interesting names on the roster. That's that's a

1493
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 3: challenge for them that they don't have obviously the UFC's roster,

1494
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 3: But they've got some decent names in there. I often

1495
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 3: find their choices about how they get paired or what

1496
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 3: place they hold on the car, and obviously this will

1497
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 3: be the main event, so that's not really relevant. But

1498
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 3: you know, you and I have talked about this before.

1499
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 3: There are some head scratching decisions from them. This one

1500
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 3: is top of the list for me. I really don't

1501
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 3: get this one at all.

1502
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I dude, I would have taken check Congo,

1503
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: I would have taken Sergei CARATMOF. I mean, like I could.

1504
01:11:58,240 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: I could give you a long list of guys, but

1505
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, I did ask Johnson, do you think that

1506
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 1: your fight with Muldowski served as a tryout because Fador

1507
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: was watching? He goes, yeah, I don't know if that's

1508
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: a good or bad thing, though, He goes, I don't

1509
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: know if Fador saw something in me that he thinks

1510
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: he can expose, or saw my straight ahead style and

1511
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: he said that's perfect for me. So Luke, we'll watch.

1512
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: It'll probably end in a first round knockout. It'll be fun,

1513
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: but it doesn't have that same pull of Hey, Fador's

1514
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,759
Speaker 1: still doing this, let's get super excited.

1515
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 2: Right.

1516
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 3: It is what it is, that's it exactly.

1517
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: All right, Luke, Jon Bolhowich of course, is going to

1518
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: defend his light heavyweight title under the UFC banner against

1519
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: Glover to Shia it's been has it been announced? I

1520
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: don't have a source that Yeri Prohatska will be the

1521
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: backup for this. Seem like a good idea.

1522
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 3: Love that that guy has been on a tear. He's

1523
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 3: an animal, He's got a weird fighting style. I think

1524
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 3: at some point it's going to cost him, but right

1525
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 3: now the weirdness is costing everybody else he is can't

1526
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 3: miss and love that choice. I mean, obviously I hope

1527
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 3: that you know, listen, especially for Glover. I hope Glover

1528
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 3: can make it there, because he's in his forties at

1529
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 3: this point. Like if he don't score this title shot,

1530
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 3: that's probably a rap for him as in terms of

1531
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 3: being a title contender. So obviously I hope that we

1532
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 3: didn't have to see Yury Prahadska, but as a replacement,

1533
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 3: it's great call very much.

1534
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: October thirtieth, Abu Dhabi UFC two sixty seven is that

1535
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: light heavyweight title about. It was moved from the original

1536
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: plans for two six six. Luke, let's keep it going.

1537
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: BKFC has signed one of its bigger names to date,

1538
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: former UFC featherweight title challenger two times and one time

1539
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 1: on the interim level, Chad Mendez. Luke. This was a

1540
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,799
Speaker 1: shocker to me. Chad had retired on his own doing,

1541
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: on his own will thereafter a particularly tough loss. And

1542
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 1: I know he hunts a lot and eats his own

1543
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: jerky Luke, But uh, your thoughts on Chad taking the

1544
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: gloves off to go U to go bare knucklin.

1545
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 3: Well, On the one hand, I think these guys all

1546
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,879
Speaker 3: go to bare knuckle and think, oh, I can easily

1547
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 3: transition to this, and it's a little bit harder than

1548
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 3: folks realize, or a little at a bare minimum. There

1549
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,839
Speaker 3: are more different variables than they seem to realize at first.

1550
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 3: So we'll see how he navigates that. On the other hand,

1551
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 3: you know, the dude had by the time he was,

1552
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 3: you know, fighting Jose Aldo in the rematch, he had

1553
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 3: good hands. He had really good hands, powerful. He flatlined

1554
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 3: Ricardo Lamis with a single shot basically, So I actually

1555
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, depending on the right opponent and

1556
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 3: depending on the approach that he takes, could be good,

1557
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 3: could be good for him actually, So that one's one

1558
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 3: of the dude. I'm telling you, like Dave Feldman out

1559
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 3: of BKFC, the dude is not a chump man. He's

1560
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 3: pretty smart about how he picks up on some of

1561
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 3: these things. And I gotta also say BKFC is definitely

1562
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 3: at this point for now. Anyway, We'll see how long

1563
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 3: it lasts or whatever. But you see, you got to recognize,

1564
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 3: just as I do, these are some fighters that may

1565
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 3: have gone to PFL or Bellator before and now BKFC

1566
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 3: is kind of pulling them off. Like Chad Mendez would

1567
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 3: have been an interesting one. I mean, thinking about adding

1568
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 3: him to a one hundred and forty five pounds di vision,

1569
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 3: like if you want to see him versus Pitbull or

1570
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 3: McKey or even Sanchez. Hell yeah, Luke exactly right. And

1571
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 3: he went over to BKFC like they're pulling away. They're

1572
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 3: making it harder for the non UFC MMA entities to

1573
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 3: score some of the names that otherwise would have been

1574
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 3: able to score.

1575
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: You wonder what he made to sign with this. He

1576
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 1: hasn't fought since twenty eighteen, when he returned from a

1577
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: two and a half year or two year two plus

1578
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: year USADA suspension. He knocked out Miles Jury and then

1579
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: was finished by Alexander Volkanowski in December of that year.

1580
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: He's thirty six years old, Luke, should be very much.

1581
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 3: But remember remember he dropped Volkanovski early in that fight

1582
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 3: with a monstrous punch, So even in that fight, he

1583
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 3: showed he's got some dynamite in his hands, Luke.

1584
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: Final note here, kamara Usman was on a I don't

1585
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: even know what podcasts, Mike, you got a maybe that's

1586
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: mom me. I gotta detail this better. But in this chat,

1587
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: kamara Usman says he legitimately believes he can out box

1588
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: Canelo Alvarez and is willing to do it, wants to

1589
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: do it, and says there's basically nothing he doesn't feel

1590
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: he can't do if he puts his mind to it,

1591
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: and out boxing and beating Canela Alvarez in the boxing

1592
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: ring is one of those things. Luke, this seems like

1593
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: heavy clout chasing from me, but I guess MMA's endgame

1594
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: is still cashing out on the boxing see.

1595
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 3: This is yeah again. The endgame of MMA is to

1596
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 3: apparently go and thoroughly lose a boxing fight where you

1597
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 3: are richly rewarded. You know, listen Kamar is an amazing

1598
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 3: champion and he's an amazing MM fighter. I don't think

1599
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 3: anyone in Walter Waye is as good as he is,

1600
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 3: and if he keeps going, he might be one of

1601
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 3: the best, if not the best, we'll see. But in boxing,

1602
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 3: I mean, please, can we fucking I mean, I remember

1603
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 3: Jorge Mas what I was saying the same one of

1604
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 3: Canelo fights too, and like, oh we stand different, blah

1605
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. Like no, no, like you don't

1606
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 3: have a chance at winning.

1607
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: So no, look, I'm not even tureaking out box Colvid Covington.

1608
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean he kind of barely did, but you know,

1609
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure he could do it again. But

1610
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 1: I love usman, He's getting better every day on the

1611
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: feet in the MMA space. This was an Instagram live

1612
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: with the fans, So maybe you gotta take a grain

1613
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: of salt. But he's that if he puts his mind to.

1614
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 3: It, Luke, these guys have to tell themselves a series

1615
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 3: of lies to achieve. Like when you're tired in practice,

1616
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 3: you have to tell yourself you're not tired. And when

1617
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 3: you're kind of hurt but you know you're not that hurt,

1618
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 3: you have to tell yourself you're not hurt, and you

1619
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 3: begin to you begin to realize that's a mechanism for

1620
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 3: self empowerment. The problem is there's your your body. When

1621
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 3: you get tired and it tells you to stop, your

1622
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 3: body is rationally trying to save you a little bit.

1623
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 3: At least. What it thinks is, you know, if you're hurt,

1624
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 3: hey stop, if you're tired, hey, sit down. These are

1625
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 3: common things your body would do to control it. So

1626
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 3: you end up elevating your performance. But you begin to

1627
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 3: turn off the rational portion of your brain because you

1628
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 3: think you can achieve anything if you just shut off

1629
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 3: the doubts. That comes naturally. But the reality is that

1630
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 3: you can do those things, and you should do those

1631
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 3: things to build yourself up. But you can get lost

1632
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 3: drinking that kool aid, so to speak. You can get

1633
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 3: lost in the intoxication of how that works.

1634
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: And you can get worked as well. All right, luke, uh,

1635
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: little unscheduled piece of art dropped. I had teased that

1636
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: could happen this weekend. It did yesterday morning. Combat doncumentary

1637
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,839
Speaker 1: four point zero titled selling Out has hit the streets.

1638
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: I want to throw to a clip now if you

1639
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: don't mind gaff of what people can find right now,

1640
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. It's twenty six minutes

1641
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: of your life. Take the plunge. Here it is DOC

1642
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: four point zero.

1643
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 3: You see this.

1644
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: Goofball get my hands on.

1645
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 3: No, they got make sure you put thirty is the

1646
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 3: highest doumble that they have.

1647
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: It may look good now, but you guys don't know

1648
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: is we had to pause our workout for forty five

1649
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: minutes and we could go tair porcelain.

1650
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 3: Over there I had we could only be described as

1651
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 3: an unbelievable ship attack.

1652
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 2: You have to hite at the hips.

1653
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 3: There is a difference.

1654
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: It means, well, I'll tell you that. You know he

1655
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: knows some ship, he needs some ship, all.

1656
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 2: Right, sped. He's actually never looked as.

1657
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: Been mislabeling in STD. I think that's.

1658
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 3: Unsairt you got energy Ford.

1659
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,520
Speaker 1: That's last stretching. That's not the Caribbeans.

1660
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 3: The Caribbeans used to stretch that way.

1661
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 2: M hm.

1662
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Now, Luke, I'll say this, this didn't have

1663
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: the same storyline, you know, consistency of let's say Doc two,

1664
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: which might be our best, but the early returns on

1665
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,560
Speaker 1: less than Jake our documentarian's work production wise, Bells and

1666
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: Whistles is that this might be the best in show.

1667
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,919
Speaker 1: I know you had a chance to see it. Seriously,

1668
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: what was your honest take on Doc four point zero?

1669
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 3: It was good, It's the It's for sure the well.

1670
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 3: I mean, we've only had two cents, the second one.

1671
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 3: But I thought three was a disaster.

1672
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,440
Speaker 1: Three was a concept album. Look, it was abstract.

1673
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 3: It was three was three was satan anger. I mean,

1674
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 3: y'all put that together, you know, out of nothing. I

1675
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 3: was like, what the fuck is this? This one was

1676
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 3: much better in part because you know, we were in

1677
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 3: Miami so they could shoot it and like it had

1678
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 3: a cohesive kind of concept. And uh and by the

1679
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 3: way I played ball, I played ball, you know, I

1680
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 3: did what I was supposed to do for this thing.

1681
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying that made or broke broke.

1682
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: You blew off one shoot so we didn't get your professionals.

1683
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 3: I didn't blow it off. They were supposed to schedule

1684
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 3: it and it never happened. That's the truth.

1685
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure about that. I will say

1686
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: you played ball more than normal. It was uh in

1687
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: our guy, Jake, Look, I understand the public's reaction. This

1688
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: is way too long of a turnaround. I agree. Jake

1689
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: is also one man who has very serious responsibilities separate

1690
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 1: from this, including shooting and editing all access. But uh,

1691
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: just great work from Jake to take almost nothing and

1692
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: make something with it, Luca behind the scenes. Look at

1693
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: our coverage of Mayweather Paul in Miami and also a

1694
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: little PostScript from our live show in Vegas down the

1695
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: stretch of it. So very good content if you check

1696
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 1: it out. I guess it'll never be, Luke a commercial success,

1697
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: but critically it is.

1698
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 3: Just you know, this is this is uh, this is

1699
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 3: a death magnetic after after Saint Anger.

1700
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, thank you to the UH, to the the

1701
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: Greater Washington d C Dispensaries for fueling our documentary.

1702
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 3: Luke.

1703
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: By the way, true story here. There was supposed to

1704
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:04,719
Speaker 1: be an entire Arching Pennington James story angle. Jake shot

1705
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: Pennington James on the piano and those all this stuff.

1706
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: He lost the footage, Luke, and like they like broke

1707
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 1: and disappeared and got exposed or something, and it just

1708
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: probably a good thing in the end.

1709
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: Luke.

1710
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 3: Wow, you act like you know this was the Notre

1711
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 3: Dame Cathedral catching on fire, we lost priceless artifacts, we

1712
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 3: lost footage of a zero. I mean, in many ways,

1713
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 3: we just leveled up.

1714
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: All right, all right, I gotta get this thing going.

1715
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: We got Manny pacya coming up soon. Luke, let's hit

1716
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: up a segment we do every Friday morning. Combat at

1717
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 1: gmail dot com is where you send in our infractions

1718
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 1: of the week. It's called dead row. All right, these

1719
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: are the things we said wrong, and normally the people

1720
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: are wrong when they try to point it out. Here

1721
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: we go, Luke. This is from Ian Good morning. Hope

1722
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: all are well. This one's for Luke. Beginning at the

1723
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: hour and twenty minute mark of Have You Seen This Shit,

1724
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: Luke is commenting on a segway falling over near Freedom

1725
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: Plaza in Washington, D C. While Luke did get the

1726
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: street right of Pennsylvania have he is incorrect on the

1727
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: location of the White House in the video. The White

1728
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 1: House is to the right. Luke says, it's to the left,

1729
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: and the video you can even see the Capitol Building

1730
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: to the left. I know this because I work for

1731
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: the I work for the Department of Commerce, which is

1732
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 1: just on the corner there at fourteenth in Pennsylvania. Luke

1733
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: is also incorrect that Freedom Plaza is a skate park,

1734
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: although you do see skaters there every day.

1735
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 3: It's a fuck no, no, no no, it's a skate park,

1736
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 3: it's not a formal skate park. Go by right now,

1737
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 3: you'll see fucking two dozen skaters out there.

1738
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: Well. Ian says the activity is still illegal in that

1739
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: ward of DC, and I've witnessed several incidents with skaters

1740
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 1: and cops. With all that said, love the show more

1741
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: than any other in the MMA space. All the best

1742
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: from your favorite DC native Ian McInerney, who is also

1743
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: an attorney. And y'all are wrong nearly every time you

1744
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 1: speak about the law, particularly BC. Oh wow, okay, shuck

1745
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 1: hey alright, Ian, all right, Ian Nash right.

1746
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 3: That it's not an official skate park at all. In fact,

1747
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 3: there are signs that prohibit it. The skaters just ignore it.

1748
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: All right, all right, Ian Nash. Why don't you, why

1749
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: don't you show me some uh some proof there? All right,

1750
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: show me the receipts, all right, Luke, here we go

1751
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: from Thomas and John. Hey, guys, first time ever writing

1752
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: into the show, and I'm coming in hot with a

1753
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: dead wrong. On episode eighty three of Luke's live chat,

1754
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: he referred to the directors of the Matrix as the

1755
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 1: Wachowski Brothers.

1756
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 3: What I pronounced it is.

1757
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 1: When talking about his top three directors. They are professionally

1758
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: known as the Wachowski's or the Wachowski Sisters. Both are

1759
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:48,759
Speaker 1: out as transgender women, with Lana Wachowski completing her transition

1760
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: in eight and Lily in twenty sixteen. Big fan of

1761
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: the show from England MK all day something something BD

1762
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: and using the word are as a verb.

1763
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 3: That is that As a fair correction, I only said

1764
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 3: brothers because uh, it's imprinted in my brain from watching

1765
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 3: the first one. That's how they're identified, That's how they

1766
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 3: used to be identified. But fair enough, I should have

1767
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 3: updated myself. I got it wrong.

1768
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they and them indeed, Luke, all right, shout out

1769
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 1: to those. A great movie. Great great film, great fucking film.

1770
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: I didn't see the sequels and I won't, Luke, but

1771
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,560
Speaker 1: great film. Okay, let's keep it going here. This is

1772
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 1: from Jose Jose Alonzo here from Brazil, the guy that

1773
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: makes really bad memes for fan subs. I've got it

1774
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 1: dead wrong. Monday, August second, Luke said. Rafael Phiziev is

1775
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: azuer Baijani. That's dead wrong. Not to be fair to Luke,

1776
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 1: Phizia's father is from or has Azerbaijani descent, where his

1777
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: mother has Russian descent. But Raphael is actually Kyrgyzstani, although

1778
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: he was born in Kazakhstan, just like our great flyweight

1779
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 1: champ Valentina Chevchenko. I completely understand Luke's mistake, mostly because

1780
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: Fiziev's origins are as confused is Brian's taste in adult content.

1781
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: So I'll give it a pass. Love you guys, hope

1782
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,839
Speaker 1: you're having a great Friday from one of your biggest

1783
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 1: fans ever since day one.

1784
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 3: All right, good, good, correction. I'll take it.

1785
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: But look did you see in the doc the happiness

1786
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: of our guy Aaron from Washington presenting you with that

1787
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 1: with that bag full of me? I love that moment

1788
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: in the dock by the way.

1789
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 3: He he's weird, but he's a great weird.

1790
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: He's like, it's all we got, it's all we got

1791
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 1: up here in Washington, Luke. So here you go. Here's

1792
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 1: my meat for you. All right, Luke, this was sent

1793
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: in by seven different people, specifically Ian. Hi. Again, it's Ian,

1794
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 1: not Lane, It's pronounced Ian. On Monday's episode of Have

1795
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 1: You Seen the Ship, Brian sets up the clip of

1796
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: Cheyenne buys I'll follow you home bitch line by saying

1797
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: it came after she beat Monserrat. Ruiz actually bays lost

1798
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 1: that fight embarrassingly by getting head and arm thrown by

1799
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: Conaijo for nearly the entire fifteen minutes and having made

1800
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 1: pre fight comments disparaging that very technique of for what

1801
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: it's worth, Monserrat denies spitting on her.

1802
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 3: Oh I see, and you had said it was the

1803
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 3: opposite that she had won that fight. But no, she

1804
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 3: was one on one in the UFC.

1805
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, I screwed that up. I will take the

1806
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: l She did not beat Monserrat. I thought she did.

1807
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 1: I didn't look that close. All right, here we go.

1808
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: My main man, BC with the BDE was dead wrong.

1809
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 1: At the one hour thirty six minute mark of episode

1810
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 1: one eight six, while discussing Luke's confusion over Pat Berry's

1811
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: African roots. When mentioning rosnama Unis, BC referred to her

1812
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: as Pat's wife, despite the two actually not being married.

1813
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: The couple is rather engaged. Simplest mistake, But I'm afraid

1814
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 1: you were dead wrong. By the way, BC, I once

1815
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: went to Club super Sex in Montreal, like you mentioned,

1816
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 1: and dropped four hundred in one night. That dark and

1817
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: evil place will rinse you of every dollar you have.

1818
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 1: That being said, hit me up next time you're in

1819
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: Montreal and the cost of your first dances on me.

1820
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: Keep it up, Fellas, the show is better than ever. Sincerely,

1821
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 1: your best fan north of the border. Greg. I don't

1822
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: inhabit those dens of Sin anymore, but back when I

1823
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:09,719
Speaker 1: used to, Luke, that place is like, what's the best

1824
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: thing ever citizen Kane of? That's the citizen Kane of

1825
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 1: that type of club, Luke, I mean that thing is

1826
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: just top shelf.

1827
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 3: Okay, have you ever been there at say, not to

1828
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 3: be trifled with?

1829
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 1: There is no there is there's things that happened there, Luke.

1830
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 1: I've seen it. Okay, Bogo you were there too, you've

1831
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: seen it too. Wow. Wow bro, all right, h wow.

1832
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 1: I almost spilled this water all over myself, Luke, that

1833
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: would have been apropos. Hey, that's dead wrong. For the week,

1834
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna skip tips, Luke because I got Manny pacyah

1835
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 1: in a few minutes. But I did want to bring

1836
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: up one thing that went down this morning?

1837
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what's that?

1838
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: Because I see everything?

1839
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 3: Luke?

1840
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. There's a show called the UFC weigh

1841
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: In on UFC Fight Pass, hosted by people I really like.

1842
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: Lar Sanko, Daniel Cormier, Michael Chandler was there today. This

1843
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: is and Luke. They debuted a new segment. Can we

1844
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: go to this video tape here? Gaff? Please, we're not

1845
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: gonna hear it, but Luke, can't we hear it? Gaff?

1846
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: Is that possible? Actually can change the scriptor I forget? Well?

1847
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: That wheel looks a little time lapse here?

1848
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 3: This what's the wheel?

1849
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 1: I've seen it before. I think it was called Wheel

1850
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 1: of Death. I don't know, but Luke, this is called

1851
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: extremely proud of that. Where's the calling? Everybody wanted to.

1852
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 3: Get involved, including our director and Miss Georgiana with all

1853
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 3: the demonstrations, So he said, hey, guys, how I do it?

1854
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 3: Look at it?

1855
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: What ag is?

1856
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 3: Looking as good as you can on the beats like

1857
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 3: that in Hawaii.

1858
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 2: Look there, with this credential, this should be a g

1859
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 2: like he should be on the swim Suit edition of

1860
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 2: Sports Illustrations.

1861
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 4: I would definitely pay money to not see it in

1862
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 4: a swimsuit issue.

1863
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 3: R J.

1864
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 4: Clifford in the house listened to him on serious sex

1865
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 4: rate as well, the finest stage manager in the game.

1866
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 1: So we're gonna do the first spin of the wheel

1867
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 1: of misfortune? Now, okay, do you want to spin it already?

1868
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: I we haven't run any of this bi legal, so

1869
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 1: we figured we'd just demonstrate on me first, because if

1870
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: I go down, the show can continue. You guys go down.

1871
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 1: It's anarchy, Okkay.

1872
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 3: I've seen enough. It looks familiar.

1873
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: I've seen enough to know I've seen too. Is there

1874
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: a latina big booties on there by any chance? So

1875
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: here's the deal, Luke. They say, what's that phrase about flattery?

1876
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 3: And Sincere's form of uh well, imitation is the sincere

1877
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 3: form flattery?

1878
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,839
Speaker 1: We had an inventa spinning wheel. I think Pat Sayjack

1879
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: might have, but Luke normally that that that's an apt

1880
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 1: phrase when it's someone below you. But this is the

1881
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: damn UFC. So you know what I'm gonna say, Luke,

1882
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: I know that people want me to say it, So

1883
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: how about it? Fuck that UFC weighan. You're taking everything

1884
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 1: I work for, motherfucker. I'm gonna fight your fucking ass.

1885
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 1: You know, what's the the real show? What's the real money?

1886
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 1: Show me mk us, not these clowns that you already

1887
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 1: punked in the press conference. Ain't nobody want to see that?

1888
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: You know you can't beat them already. It's an easy show.

1889
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: You want the real shit, it's right here. Look what

1890
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 1: the hell's going on right now?

1891
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 3: Let them know. BC, that's been your baby, and listen.

1892
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 3: I like Lorisenko and DC and Archie Clipper's my boy.

1893
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 3: We were just at a wedding together, and everyone else

1894
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 3: on that stage is great. But the producer who did that,

1895
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 3: you are a fucking thief, my friend, and we see it.

1896
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 3: Everybody sees it, but we agree. BC. Here's how you

1897
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 3: know Wheel of death is good. Them motherfuckers at the

1898
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 3: UFC show. They just took it so that lets you

1899
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 3: know we're doing something right.

1900
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: The wheel of dismemberment, wheel of bad news. I don't

1901
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: know what they call it, but Luke, do you think

1902
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,600
Speaker 1: you know? I entertain a conspiracy now and then you

1903
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 1: and I are up for the World MMA Awards Best

1904
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,679
Speaker 1: MMA Show. There is a show on there, Luke, that's

1905
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: no longer a show that we're up against. I think

1906
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 1: it's called DC in the Canadian Luke, you think DC

1907
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: is lamenting the loss of that show, So he may

1908
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 1: have been in on the idea here of just uh

1909
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 1: of just tay you Hey, hey, DC, love you guy.

1910
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: All right, you're one of the one of the best

1911
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: fighters in UFC history. One of the best quotes, by

1912
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: the way that we can you know, a great broadcaster.

1913
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the show you used to have, sorry

1914
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: that it got canceled. I heard you have a new one.

1915
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: But here's the deal, DC, you don't want to fuck

1916
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 1: round with us, fuck around and get resume.

1917
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 3: Reviewed, but we'll ruin any chance you have of going

1918
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 3: to BKFC. They took that They took that ship. I'm sorry,

1919
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 3: I don't care what anybody says. They took that ship.

1920
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 1: What's next? Have you seen this poop? Luke? What's next here?

1921
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, have.

1922
01:32:59,040 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 2: You seen this?

1923
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 1: Ah? Brand new? Ooh? Yeah, alright, hey, we're all having

1924
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: fun here, but yeah, you stole you stole that ship.

1925
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 2: Bro.

1926
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: All right, thank you very much, Luke. You got anything

1927
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 1: else to say before we get out of here?

1928
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 2: No? Man?

1929
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 3: Oh you know what, Yes, thanks to everybody who sent

1930
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 3: me nice birthday wishes, I got a bunch of dms,

1931
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 3: I got a bunch of emails, blah blah blah. Thank you,

1932
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 3: Thank you everybody that was very very sweet of you.

1933
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 3: Have made my birthday very special. I appreciate it.

1934
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:30,599
Speaker 1: Luke is four two Jackie Robinson birthday, little little, less

1935
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 1: little less wash than me have forty three. But Luke,

1936
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 1: congratulations to another year around the world. Thank you to Gaff, Pierre, Sally,

1937
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Mikey Morms, Al Wendling, all our great folks behind the

1938
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,679
Speaker 1: scenes pushing the ones into today, making this show happen.

1939
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: Thank you to our fine listeners like subscribe please. The

1940
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 1: push to one hundred k is ever so frightening close.

1941
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna get there, Luke. We do have some big

1942
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 1: plans for the future. You and I are going to

1943
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: take this this this ish on the road the next

1944
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 1: few months a couple of different places, do some live coverage,

1945
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: very much looking forward to that. So some big news

1946
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: will be announced, but we're gonna just continue reaching for

1947
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: the moon. Check out our interviews. We got Erol Spencer,

1948
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,879
Speaker 1: We've got Cyril Gon. Gonna wrap up Manny Pacio hopefully

1949
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: just after this closes. But for the great for the

1950
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 1: great Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell reminding you get facked,

1951
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: just get just get it done. Okay, please get it

1952
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 1: done for my family and yours. Much love, b C.

1953
01:34:24,680 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 2: We out