WEBVTT - Beating The Book: 2023 Q2 MLB Derivative Stats Show

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<v Speaker 1>Check it down, then no down. Then Wednesday morning, June

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighth, twenty twenty three, it is the Beating the

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<v Speaker 1>Book podcast mlb Q two derivative show all from a

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<v Speaker 1>betting perspective. It's Gil Alexander. This is the longest running

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I believe we have done on this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and on the Betting Dork podcast before that. The Megapod

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<v Speaker 1>might have something to say about that. But if it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the Megapod, it is this where Mark Borchard base

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<v Speaker 1>Winner joins me to do quarterly derivatives betting outlooks in

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<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball. Mark joins us now from an undisclosed

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<v Speaker 1>location somewhere in the Desert base Winter podcast basewinter dot

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<v Speaker 1>com at base Winter on Twitter. How you doing, Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing good.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that I will hold to this that

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<v Speaker 2>I was your first guest on your podcast. You were,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it, and it's an honor, it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>You've done so good and I call you the voice

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<v Speaker 2>of sports betting, and I know sometimes I say it

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<v Speaker 2>tongue in cheek, but I really mean it because I

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<v Speaker 2>think you are the voice of sports betting and you've

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<v Speaker 2>done such a good job and not just analyzing games

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<v Speaker 2>on a daily basis and doing a daily show, but

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<v Speaker 2>being an ambassador for sports betting since and it's gone

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<v Speaker 2>a long way since we started.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it makes you feel a little bit old

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<v Speaker 3>in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>But dude, this is Yeah. We met in a forum

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<v Speaker 1>and we were scolded for contacting outside of the forum

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. But I knew. I knew immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, this is my kind of guy

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<v Speaker 1>nerd fest in baseball. I remember it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, and I was great, and I'll never forget the

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<v Speaker 2>metrics that we made up watching spring training Baseball Classic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes we are, we are. We're complete dorks. We would

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<v Speaker 1>go to spring training together in Arizona. We would make

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<v Speaker 1>up metrics in the stands because something's wrong with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the greatest metric we made up? Though?

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<v Speaker 1>We should probably bring this up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I think it was the long leash, Yes, cool

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<v Speaker 2>M L cool am. And I really think that I

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<v Speaker 2>can make that into a metric now because I think

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<v Speaker 2>about the other day Gil.

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<v Speaker 1>It had to do with managers and their quick or

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<v Speaker 1>slow hooks on pitchers. So it was long leash cool manager. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>We did an LL cool M or something like that

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<v Speaker 1>really hasn't caught on quite yet, but.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to work up well, I I haven't developed

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<v Speaker 2>it yet, but it actually makes sense because some of

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<v Speaker 2>these guys, you know, the way they balance a bullpen,

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<v Speaker 2>and it really makes a difference towards it towards a

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<v Speaker 2>later part of those games. But that that's in development

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<v Speaker 2>along with the G six model that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>make for you with six inputs.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh nice, I like it. Mark All was struggling with

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<v Speaker 1>putting more Giants magic into his model. One day he

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<v Speaker 1>will get it perfected. As the Giants win their tenth

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<v Speaker 1>straight road game last night. Giants two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>out of the NL West. For those who are unfamiliar

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<v Speaker 1>with what we do here, so this is essentially so

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<v Speaker 1>we're essentially at the halfway point of the Major League

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<v Speaker 1>based A couple teams have gotten to the halfway point.

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<v Speaker 1>The other twenty eight are about to. They're just a

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<v Speaker 1>game or two shy. And so what we do every

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<v Speaker 1>quarter roughly forty eighty one, one hundred and twenty games,

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<v Speaker 1>is we go back and we look at a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of betting stats, both from a you know, very widely

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<v Speaker 1>available money line and run line perspective on teams starting pitchers,

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<v Speaker 1>who would have made you the most money, who would

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<v Speaker 1>have cost you the most. We talk about umpires, who

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<v Speaker 1>are the most reliable over umpires, the most reliable under umpires.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark is invaluable to that because he actually has historical

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<v Speaker 1>umpire data to corroborate if this is just a uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of flash in the pan thing for

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<v Speaker 1>half a season, or if this is actually consistent with

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<v Speaker 1>how these umpires have been. And then it gets a

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<v Speaker 1>little more proprietary. We do first five inning stats, and

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<v Speaker 1>we do first inning stats for pitchers, and the whole

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<v Speaker 1>exercise is really designed to come up with, Okay, is

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<v Speaker 1>this just something that we've you know, just happened for

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<v Speaker 1>half a season and it's more narrative and fun to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about, or is it legit predictive of what's to come?

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<v Speaker 1>And so will it help us, you know, it will

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<v Speaker 1>help inform baseball bets, both day to day and long

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<v Speaker 1>term into the future. And we've we've had a ball

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<v Speaker 1>doing this for so many years. And Mark, let's start

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<v Speaker 1>at the very top. Which is the biggest money line

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<v Speaker 1>winners in terms of baseball clubs for betters this season?

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<v Speaker 1>And who do you have per your numbers? I will

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<v Speaker 1>rely on Covers for these Covers dot Com. Who do

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<v Speaker 1>you have as your top three baseball teams? That again

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<v Speaker 1>the Bizarro exercise. Let's say you bet on this team

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<v Speaker 1>every single game thus far this season when they were

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<v Speaker 1>a favorite. Let's say you bet on them every single

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<v Speaker 1>game when they were an underdog. So it is bizarro.

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<v Speaker 1>No one actually does this this way, but if you did,

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<v Speaker 1>this would be the biggest grossers for betters.

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<v Speaker 2>Who do you have, Mark, I've got Baltimore, Arizona and

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<v Speaker 2>Myami in that order.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Covers has Arizona now today just a tick

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<v Speaker 1>above Baltimore. Both would have earned you more than fourteen units.

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<v Speaker 1>Again bizarro exercise, betting them every single day, whether they're

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<v Speaker 1>a favorite or an underdog. They have Cincinnati third and

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<v Speaker 1>Miami fourth. By the way, the Giants would be fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the five teams that would have earned you

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<v Speaker 1>double digit units this season. And that's you and I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this when we did this on a numbers

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<v Speaker 1>game yesterday on Visen. Usually we have a surprise. These

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<v Speaker 1>are like textbook five overachieving teams, right, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Was saying, the only one that to me is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of in that mix in the top ten, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think I have them like sixth or seventh or the

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<v Speaker 2>Braves because you're just laying so much sauce with that team,

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<v Speaker 2>you would think that that would get you, but they've

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<v Speaker 2>just been so good.

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<v Speaker 3>That team is so some gil Wow that the.

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<v Speaker 2>Hitting and the releae pitching's good, but the lineup is

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<v Speaker 2>amazing and.

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<v Speaker 1>A Kunya at the top is just amazing. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>to Mark's point, texas another overachiever. Overachiever based on what

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<v Speaker 1>their pre flop consensus season win total was at six.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, then it is Atlanta and Tampa Bay. And

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<v Speaker 1>think about what Mark just said, which is those teams

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<v Speaker 1>are laying wood more often than not. But they're so

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<v Speaker 1>good or have been so good that even if you

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<v Speaker 1>bet them, you know, just brain dead wise every single game,

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<v Speaker 1>you would still be, you know, in the money with

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<v Speaker 1>both of those teams. Not as sexy as the other

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<v Speaker 1>ones we mentioned, but still in the money. And really,

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<v Speaker 1>when it gets down to it, it's not like half

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<v Speaker 1>the teams put you in the money. It's a little

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<v Speaker 1>less than half that would actually have you if you

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<v Speaker 1>blindly bet them every day. At the bottom, it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the opposite of we just what we just talked

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<v Speaker 1>about with Atlanta and Tampa Bay, Kansas City and Oakland

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<v Speaker 1>have been so bad that even though they're only you know, dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>each and every single night, seemingly and really not even

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly they are, they're the biggest hemorrhagers for better. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you had bet Kansas City or Oakland every single

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<v Speaker 1>game this year on the money line, and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're doing that, you're not doing this. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>just point that out, you're not doing it right. But

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas City would have you down almost twenty almost twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four and a half units. In Oakland would be down

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two units. Goodness, man, Mets, Cardinals, Padres after that,

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<v Speaker 1>those come into the sort of way underachieving based on

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<v Speaker 1>expectation similar to what you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I've got Cardinals' worst, Royals, A's and Mets

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<v Speaker 2>in that order, and the Cardinals are just really I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm missed with the Cardinals. I thought that they'd be

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<v Speaker 2>right at the top. And I think that even like

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<v Speaker 2>if you were to come to me and say, if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at their their x FIP minus a year

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<v Speaker 2>to date, it's ninety nine which I would have taken

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<v Speaker 2>that like as you know, collectively as a team, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>have been like, yeah, okay, well they're average pitching, but

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<v Speaker 2>they can really bash and they haven't been able to

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<v Speaker 2>put the numbers up that I projected, although there's seven

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<v Speaker 2>percent better than average. So what's interesting is they're fielding.

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<v Speaker 2>They've they've twenty six runs that they have not dave,

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<v Speaker 2>so they've they've allowed extra runs, you know, defensive run saved,

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<v Speaker 2>and you would consider them a good defensive team. But

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<v Speaker 2>that Cardinals team just perplexes me. Gil it always for

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<v Speaker 2>the last three years I was I was bearished on

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<v Speaker 2>them when they were good. Now I'm ballish on them

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<v Speaker 2>when they're bad. That's not a good thing here.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the question. So of the ones that we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned on the top and we once mentioned on the bottom,

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<v Speaker 1>which I mean, how many of those are do you

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<v Speaker 1>think our outliers and won't be sustainable? Because to me,

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<v Speaker 1>like I really feel like Arizona, Baltimore, Cincinnati and Miami

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<v Speaker 1>and San Francisco and Texas are actually good baseball teams.

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<v Speaker 1>But which which of the good do you think? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see it continuing. Which of the bad on

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, because you've said it with Oakland, you

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<v Speaker 1>actually think they'll be better.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think Oakland will be better.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Miami, you know, it's it's an interesting team

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<v Speaker 2>because you look at them profit wise straight up and

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<v Speaker 2>they're you know, I have a twelve point six units,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you look at them versus the run line,

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're not as good. So that means that, in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm not showing a negative number for them,

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<v Speaker 2>Gill on the run line, So that means that they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're getting a lot of luck in the.

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<v Speaker 3>One run games.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think that, you know, I know Jason

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<v Speaker 2>was really down on Miami earlier, and my numbers for

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<v Speaker 2>their offense were low on them too, So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that that's the team maybe that's going to slide, is

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<v Speaker 2>that Miami team Gill.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and Oakland would be the answer to the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>where you'd be like, yeah, they'll be better. Like you're

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<v Speaker 1>adjusted season, your adjusted season win total is higher than

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<v Speaker 1>their current adjusted season win total.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've got them. Let's see, let's see I can

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<v Speaker 3>pull that, look at that real fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were yesterday forty eight point five wins over

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<v Speaker 2>under at Caesars. So that's their season win total, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've got them at fifty four point four.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, all right, so don't yeah, yeah, don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>fade them as rampantly as you might think. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>if we broke down the money line numbers into home roads,

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona is actually the number one away team on the

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<v Speaker 1>money line. If you had bet them every single game

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<v Speaker 1>favorite or dog on the road, they'd have you up

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<v Speaker 1>almost twelve units. Baltimore also would be number two on

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<v Speaker 1>the road. They'd have you up over ten units. So

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<v Speaker 1>most of the units that the number one and two

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<v Speaker 1>overall money line teams have gotten you have been as

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<v Speaker 1>road teams. Cincinnati also third best on the road, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's consistent. So who is the best at home? It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay at home, they'd have you

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<v Speaker 1>up over ten units, almost ten and a half. They're

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<v Speaker 1>actually a losing proposition if you had bet them every

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<v Speaker 1>single game on the road, and as far as the

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<v Speaker 1>oh By the way, one other weird outlier, the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>difference between a home and road split in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>money line Washington, the Nationals would have you down almost

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<v Speaker 1>nine units betting them blindly at home and up almost

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<v Speaker 1>eleven units on the road.

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting, That is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I've only played the Nationals once this year.

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<v Speaker 3>That was two nights ago and they lost.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say I haven't played them barely at all,

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<v Speaker 1>if at all, in terms of that. Yeah, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to get a I mean to get a

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<v Speaker 2>good position on them, and that the starting pitching is

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<v Speaker 2>is worst in baseball for me, and so it starts there,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that's why I haven't really been able to

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<v Speaker 2>back them at all this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Mets are the worst on the road, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the third worst overall the money line, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>the worst on the road. Most of their loss is

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<v Speaker 1>away from city Field Oakland. Oh no, pardon me, Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>City by far the worst team at home. Almost eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>of their twenty five units have been lost as a

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<v Speaker 1>home team. By the way run line best run line team. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is, of course, as a favorite, you're a one

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<v Speaker 1>and a half run favorite. As a dog, you're a

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<v Speaker 1>plus one and a half run proposition. So when you're winning,

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<v Speaker 1>your winning big. When you're losing, sometimes if you can

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<v Speaker 1>keep it within you know to a one score game,

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<v Speaker 1>you become the best run line team in all of baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're just crushing teams on a nightly basis. The

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<v Speaker 1>number one run line team a de facto power ranking,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, mark, who do you have as the

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<v Speaker 1>number one run line team?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you talking about at home? Are you talking about overall?

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<v Speaker 1>We're not gonna do splits on run line? Just overall?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, overall run line team. I have Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Baltimore just just nipping Cincinnati. Both Baltimore and Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>the best run line teams in baseball according to covers

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<v Speaker 1>over eighteen units strong, and Arizona would be third. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's really the usual. Oh no, pardon me, Texas would

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<v Speaker 1>actually be third. Arizona would be fourth in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>covers numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure this to know where the Yankees fall in

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<v Speaker 3>for you on.

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<v Speaker 1>That, the Yankees would be excellent. Question In terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the run line, they're actually the seventh best in.

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<v Speaker 3>That wild I'm looking at the thing, going, well, Yankees

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<v Speaker 3>are there, So that's a weird one.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess when they win, they crush or they

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<v Speaker 1>lose a lot of I mean, I don't I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember what their one run record is off hand, but

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<v Speaker 1>they you'd be up six point five units on the

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<v Speaker 1>Yankees betting them on the run line. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the Nationals would be eighth on the run line at

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<v Speaker 1>five point five units to the positive. So there is

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<v Speaker 1>a few surprises in that regard.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, that Yankee's surprising to me.

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<v Speaker 1>The worst on the run line. Again, the Royals, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>be down twenty nine units betting them, so like when

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<v Speaker 1>they lose, they don't even keep it close. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're betting the Royals on the run line every

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<v Speaker 1>single day, you're doing this all wrong. But anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's just an interesting sort of overview of the of

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<v Speaker 1>that in terms of starting pitchers. Now this has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with, you know, when these guys take the hill,

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<v Speaker 1>what is their team's ultimate win loss record? Now, again,

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<v Speaker 1>is this sustainable? Is this predictive in anyway? You be

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<v Speaker 1>the judge. I'll get Mark's opinions. Dean Kramer of the Orioles,

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<v Speaker 1>the Oriols are eleven and five when he takes the

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<v Speaker 1>hill this year, Boyd of the Tigers, the Tigers are

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<v Speaker 1>nine and six when he takes the hill. Henry of Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy Henry, they're nine and two are the Diamondbacks when

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<v Speaker 1>he takes the hill. Those are the three most profitable

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<v Speaker 1>pitchers in all of baseball. Like Spencer Strider, who I

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<v Speaker 1>think should be the NLSI Young Award winner at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Others would disagree. By contrast, he's sixth, right, even though

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<v Speaker 1>the Braves are fourteen and two when he takes the hill.

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<v Speaker 1>But in terms of money, because remember a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys that I just mentioned, Kramer, Boyd, and Henry,

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<v Speaker 1>when their teams Baltimore, Detroit and Arizona are playing, they're

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<v Speaker 1>getting plus money. So from a money perspective, they're one,

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<v Speaker 1>two three. Are any of those three guys sustainable on

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<v Speaker 1>this do you thing?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I said yesterday, you know Kramer was good

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<v Speaker 2>on Seinfeld, but I don't really see him as a

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<v Speaker 2>as a high level, a high level major league pitcher,

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<v Speaker 2>neither Henry. I think that, you know, the Diamondbacks are

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to get an extra pitcher. I think

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<v Speaker 2>to be competitive in the playoffs. I don't think they

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<v Speaker 2>can just do it with Gallon and yeah, Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>Bottom line, by the way, the bottom of that starting pitcher.

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<v Speaker 1>Money wise, there's one hundred and eighty four starting pitchers

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<v Speaker 1>that qualified. No surprise, Jordan Lyles of the Royals. The

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<v Speaker 1>Royals just won their first game with him as a starter,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're now one in fifteen. He'd have cost you

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen units, almost thirteen units if you had bet Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>Lyles games for the Royals blindly. And again, God help

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<v Speaker 1>you if you are. Schmidt of the Yankees is second

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<v Speaker 1>worst nine units to the in the red if you

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<v Speaker 1>had bet him blindly, because the Yankees are four and

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<v Speaker 1>twelve with him on the hill. And then some familiar

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<v Speaker 1>names Zach Grink, Jamison tye On of the Cubs, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Montgomery three four five by the way, Blake Snell

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<v Speaker 1>seventh of the Padres, and he's pitching great. They're also

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<v Speaker 1>on the worst list. Blake Snell is the most unsustainable

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<v Speaker 1>of that. In other words, he's going to completely reverse.

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<v Speaker 2>You would say, I think, so, you know, I like

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<v Speaker 2>Montgomery and tie On, I having them better than an

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<v Speaker 2>average pitcher. So I think that, you know, there might

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<v Speaker 2>be some some one run stuff in there too for Montgomery,

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<v Speaker 2>and but I think that that ty On and Montgomery

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<v Speaker 2>are better than average major league pittures.

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<v Speaker 3>Gil.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's get to the umpires because this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is great to have you on with this. So again

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting these from covers dot com. Mark has his

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<v Speaker 1>own proprietary numbers. So these are umpires. And again you

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<v Speaker 1>can see umpire assignments at a site like stat fox.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the Twitter handle that you recommend for umpire listings.

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<v Speaker 3>It's at umpire crew.

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<v Speaker 1>At umpire crewe. Umpire crew is the Twitter handle they

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<v Speaker 1>have umpire assignments. And as you were saying, you can

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<v Speaker 1>find those assignments there or you figure out just who's

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<v Speaker 1>who's the homeplate umpire one night and then you just

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<v Speaker 1>do the rotation of the crew.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's for for any game that's like second, third,

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<v Speaker 2>or for any game other than the first game of

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<v Speaker 2>the series, you just the first base umpire. Then the

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<v Speaker 2>next night that you know, let's say tonight, the first

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<v Speaker 2>base umpire, and then tomorrow he'll be the home plate umpire,

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<v Speaker 2>So it rotates. I guess that would be counter No,

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<v Speaker 2>that'd be clockwise if you looked at the diamond, So

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<v Speaker 2>first base goes to home plate next day.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the most reliable over umpires thus far in

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<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball this season. Nate Tomlinson eight of the

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<v Speaker 1>nine games least, according to covers, eight of the nine

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<v Speaker 1>game that he's been behind home plate have gone over.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Esterbrook ten of thirteen. I believe it says here,

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Baker eight of eleven, Alfonso Marquez nine of twelve

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<v Speaker 1>to the over, and Chad Witson seven of twelve to

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<v Speaker 1>the over. Those are the most reliable over umpires in

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<v Speaker 1>all the baseball thus far this year. So in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe their strike zone is the size of a thimble

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<v Speaker 1>and the guys are just able to hack away or

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<v Speaker 1>take their base. Do any of those names jibe with

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<v Speaker 1>your historical numbers as being reliably over umpires.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Marquez has been consistently over And kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>methodology on this is I took the last four years,

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<v Speaker 2>so from six twenty six of twenty nineteen till now,

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<v Speaker 2>and Marquez has like one hundred and twelve games, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I used a walk percentage and a strikeout percentage

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<v Speaker 2>to come up with like a projected er and basically,

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<v Speaker 2>long story short is, in games that he umpires, I

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<v Speaker 2>have my total project actual eight percent greater than it

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<v Speaker 2>would would be uh normally so and it makes a difference. Gal,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you're looking at a projected total of

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<v Speaker 2>nine and it's eight percent greater than it should be,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to challenge my mas skills here, it'd

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<v Speaker 2>be it'd zero point seventy two runs greater. So that

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<v Speaker 2>that could make the difference between making an overplayer not

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<v Speaker 2>making an overplay one percent.

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<v Speaker 1>It could absolutely And so again, just be cognizant of

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<v Speaker 1>that that if you, you know, let's say you have a

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<v Speaker 1>lean on a game to the over to the under,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you see the home plade umpire is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be someone who is, you know, consistently the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of what your handicap is. Maybe maybe you don't switch

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<v Speaker 1>your bet. Maybe at least it takes you off the bet,

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<v Speaker 1>gives you enough enough pause for that. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite is.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a good point on I just wanted to I

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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to touch on that because I just have

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<v Speaker 2>a practical example of what happened to me on Monday nights.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's the first game of the series, in the

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<v Speaker 2>White Sox Angels game, and my model projected over pretty sizably,

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<v Speaker 2>but by about a run, so so I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna play. I know, I don't know who the umpires,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna play the over. Well, the umpire turned

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<v Speaker 2>out to be Bill Miller. Bill Miller is my biggest

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<v Speaker 2>under umpire and the game went under and like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you watch the game, like you know why Bill Miller

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<v Speaker 2>is an under umpire because he was just calling balls

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the strike zone. So it could bite you

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<v Speaker 2>with little but if you don't do it. And it

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<v Speaker 2>did bite me in the butt too. So I usually

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<v Speaker 2>don't make a play on the first game of the

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<v Speaker 2>series only because I don't know who the umpire is,

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<v Speaker 2>but I couldn't resist on that one. It looked too

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<v Speaker 2>good for me from a modeling sandpoint, but I did

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<v Speaker 2>get burned on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Gil Well, that's a that's a great segue into who

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<v Speaker 1>have been the most reliable under umpires when they've called

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<v Speaker 1>balls and strikes this year? And the answers to that

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<v Speaker 1>question Percovers dot Com, Corey Blazer, Phil Cuzy, Trip Gibson,

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<v Speaker 1>the third, don't want to leave out that he's the third.

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce Dreckman, Bill Miller, and Brian Knight c your Brian

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<v Speaker 1>McKnight annual joke here if you would mark what was

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<v Speaker 1>your joke yesterday?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, we have to If we do that, then

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<v Speaker 2>I have to start these ratings back at one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there you go. There it is bark borge with everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Brian McKnight joke. So but you just mentioned, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you just mentioned Bill Miller. There he is. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>super reliable as in under rump this year. And you

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<v Speaker 1>have him historically as a under rump.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, he's he's historically the base winner number one

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<v Speaker 2>under umpire one hundred and eighteen games over the last

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<v Speaker 2>four years, so decent sample size. And then you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of them that are kind of in the

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<v Speaker 2>in my top ten unders cause he's number twouzy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Trip Gibson. And it's funny you said the third.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know what's wrong with me gil

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<v Speaker 2>on my modeling, I don't have the third, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just have Trip Gibson. I mean, gosh, I'm slipping in

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<v Speaker 2>my old age here. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's in the top I guess twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, three names there that are under that are consistently.

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<v Speaker 1>Undergoing and so that's you know, we're doing a Q

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<v Speaker 1>two derivative show right now, but that's to have those

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<v Speaker 1>historical numbers as key here because what it shows you

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<v Speaker 1>is that it really is when it comes to Miller

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<v Speaker 1>and when it come to Cuzzy, this is no aberration.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the opposite of what I talked about with

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<v Speaker 1>the reliably overms historically like Marquez, Alfonso Marquez, who you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like apparently their strike zone Miller's and Cuzzies

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<v Speaker 1>is massive, one would think, just generally speaking, and so

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<v Speaker 1>the pitcher gets the benefit of the doubt or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>like as we've seen in baseball this year, the umpiring

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<v Speaker 1>has just deteriorated. Like each and every year, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the homeplate umpire calling balls and strikes generally in

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<v Speaker 1>baseball has just gotten worse and worse. We were talking

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday about the Diamondbacks Giants game on Saturday, was just

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<v Speaker 1>a joke, like Merrill Kelly didn't have to be close

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<v Speaker 1>to the strike zone. It was a strike. Meanwhile, Sean

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<v Speaker 1>and I are getting squeezed inside the strike zone. That

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<v Speaker 1>Mariner's Nationals game a couple nights ago. It was eight

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<v Speaker 1>to four Mariners, but the bases were loaded for the

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<v Speaker 1>Nationals in the ninth and pictures like the strike three

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<v Speaker 1>called to end the game with the bases loaded was

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<v Speaker 1>two and a half inches outside of the strike zone,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Mariners announcers were like, it's a call third strike.

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners win it if you say so, Like it's gotten

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<v Speaker 1>that bad, so maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a great call.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Goldsmith, Yeah, that was a really good call, if

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<v Speaker 2>you say so. And you know what's interesting, I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>I have you because i know you're a big tennis guy.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've wondered.

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<v Speaker 2>This from a challenge standpoint because I've seen it done

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<v Speaker 2>in tennis. But I'm no expert on it, but it

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me like it's fairly unobtrusive in tennis, Like hey,

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<v Speaker 2>if at dinner out, they'll challenge it, it'll get reviewed,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's, you know, right back to play. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wondering if you would be a proponent of having like

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<v Speaker 2>three challenges for each manager, would have that for fall

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<v Speaker 2>strike call?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, But first of all, the tennis thing change

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<v Speaker 1>the entire sport, right, Like you know, we grew up

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<v Speaker 1>men of a certain age, People of a certain age

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<v Speaker 1>grew up hearing John McEnroe screaming at umpires, Jimmy Connors

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:52.520
<v Speaker 1>screaming at umpires. El destasi if you if you're even older, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but McEnroe famously you got to be kidding me. That's

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<v Speaker 1>all out of the game. I mean. Now, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>standardized over every tournament, but typically right the biggest tournaments.

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<v Speaker 1>Some tournaments don't even have lines people anymore, mark right,

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:09.000
<v Speaker 1>They just have an umpire just to oversee things. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's all done electronically. There is absolutely no argument. There

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<v Speaker 1>are some there are somewhere, you know, the players. There

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<v Speaker 1>has been instances where the players have wondered if the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if the technology has is precise to the line.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have seen that, but generally that's an outlier.

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<v Speaker 1>It's completely changed the game. It's unobtrusive, to use your word,

0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.400
<v Speaker 1>it moves it along. No one gets especially a game

0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:38.400
<v Speaker 1>that's as mentally focused as tennis. No one gets bent

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<v Speaker 1>out of shape. Generally speaking, I won't say no one,

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<v Speaker 1>but once in a blue moon it happens, not really regularly,

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and in baseball like enough with the umpire lobby, like oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't take balls and strikes away from us or

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<v Speaker 1>if you argue balls and strikes, that's the quickest hook

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<v Speaker 1>of them all, Like, stop with that shit already, if

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<v Speaker 1>I may, like, I mean, it's twenty twenty three, for.

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<v Speaker 3>God's sakes, I totally agree with it.

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<v Speaker 2>You with you, And there's nothing more frustrating than whether

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<v Speaker 2>you have a fantasy bet or game and you see

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:07.800
<v Speaker 2>that and you're like, I'm seeing this is a this

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<v Speaker 2>is a ball, and they're calling it a strike and

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.359
<v Speaker 2>it's just costing me money. Yes, It's just very frustrating,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when the when the DraftKings of the world are

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<v Speaker 2>sponsoring Major League Baseball and I don't I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>like if Major League Baseball took a hard look at it,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they'd be like, hey, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>change this. But I don't know why they haven't taken

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<v Speaker 2>a hard look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yill, Well, you're your point about that's costing you money,

0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:30.199
<v Speaker 1>Like so that that Giants Diamondbacks game. So I had

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<v Speaker 1>a bet on the Giants. I'm basically betting the Giants

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.119
<v Speaker 1>brain dead every single night, Like really, I'm like, the

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<v Speaker 1>analysis is very thin. I'm just like, this team's not

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<v Speaker 1>losing anybody, Like they've got it figured out what they're

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.399
<v Speaker 1>pitching with their back you know, forward approach with pitching.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just unbelievable what far On Zaidi and that team

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<v Speaker 1>are doing. Sort of the evolution of how the Royals

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<v Speaker 1>you know, did it back to front when they got

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<v Speaker 1>to two World Series and won one of them. In

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<v Speaker 1>the middle part of last decade into the Rays using

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<v Speaker 1>an opener. Now, the Giants are basically you know, there

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 1>were there were there were papers at the MIT Sloan

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.479
<v Speaker 1>Sports Conference over a decade ago where they're like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can figure out the rest, the optimal way to

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<v Speaker 1>play baseball would be two piecemeal pitchers together every night.

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.360
<v Speaker 1>And the Giants kind of doing that with three starters, right,

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:15.880
<v Speaker 1>they're just doing that when it's like there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>games where they're like, you know, two innings here, two

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<v Speaker 1>innings there, and it's working out great for them. But

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<v Speaker 1>when I was getting back to them, sorry, I go

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<v Speaker 1>to on the side with the Giants. But the Giants

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<v Speaker 1>Diamondbacks game on Saturday, I had the Giants and they're winning.

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 1>It's I don't remember how much they were winning by.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they were winning by one run. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a five inning bed and then a full game bet

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<v Speaker 1>and you know there's a strike three that excuse me,

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:42.919
<v Speaker 1>there's a uh there's a ball way outside on a

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Giants batter that gets called a strike. End of inning.

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<v Speaker 1>We go to the Diamondbacks side of it. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>down a run. This is in the top of the

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<v Speaker 1>fifth there's a strike three from Sean and I I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember the batter, it's called a ball. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course the next pitch is a bas is clearing two out,

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<v Speaker 1>know double, and so the diamond Mass go up. Now

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the Giants, because they're amazing, ended up getting two runs

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<v Speaker 1>in the bottom half, and it ended up being tied

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<v Speaker 1>after five. But like I was livid Mark after the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the fifth inning, livid and yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>These these bad calls are having material consequences in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the games, and what if you had that guy

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:23.719
<v Speaker 2>on fantasy or what if you what if you had

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<v Speaker 2>a fantasy team and you're playing.

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<v Speaker 3>Against that guy?

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<v Speaker 2>And so I don't think those here's two things, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think the sponsors are real happy with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think the DraftKings of the world want that

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. I think that they want as clean of

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<v Speaker 2>a game as possible, and I really think at MLB's

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<v Speaker 2>cores they want as pure and clean of a game

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<v Speaker 2>as possible as well, and so I think that there

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 2>needs to be some some action taken over the off

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>seasons as far as this goes, but they just they've

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 2>just been slow to do it. But remember we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the video review back when we first started

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<v Speaker 2>doing this, and we didn't think that it would ever happen,

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<v Speaker 2>but they they actually changed that. And so think about

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<v Speaker 2>like how that like like effects a game even as

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<v Speaker 2>a better Like like last night, there was a there

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<v Speaker 2>was an overturn call that they called Fletcher from the

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:12.359
<v Speaker 2>Angels safe at first base. I had a bet on

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<v Speaker 2>the Angels, but even though the call went against me,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is my point, I felt, hey, this is okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that that's the right call, and let's let's move on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think that it'll be good for everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>the game as a whole.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'd like to see that go.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even Show Hey right as great as Show

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<v Speaker 1>Hey is. I don't know if you watched the Angels

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<v Speaker 1>game last night. He had a great night both you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hitting two home runs and pitching a great game. But

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>he got a bunch of calls to pitching, where I'm like, oh, okay,

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 1>well you know that worked. That worked out nicely for

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 1>show as well. There was one other example, Oh you

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<v Speaker 1>just jog my memory. Yes, we shouldn't forget that, you know,

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a decade ago or where I you know, the timeline

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 1>escapes me now, but like I distinctly remember, this is

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:54.919
<v Speaker 1>more than a decade ago, I think, or maybe it

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.439
<v Speaker 1>was a decade by my time frame is all jacked up,

0:27:57.480 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 1>so I think it's more than a decade when the

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<v Speaker 1>Yankee were in the playoffs playing like the Justin Moore

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<v Speaker 1>No Joe Mauer twins, So we're talking in the two thousands,

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 1>in the in the odds decade. Like I distinctly remember

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>a postseason game at Yankee Stadium, and I'm not making

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 1>this up where I remember having the twins and either

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>mau or more No went down the left field line

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and the ball was two inches inside the foul line,

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>like it was a fair ball, should have been a double,

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 1>and the umpire was like, nope, foul ball and it

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<v Speaker 1>stood right. You're just like, are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 3>I had the same bet.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny that you said that I remember that because

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I had the same bet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so you remember it, and I was livid. And

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, in those days, you're like, sou too bad.

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>The umpire didn't see it that way. So the fact

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>that we were able to change that, like, why does

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>it take forever to change balls and strikes? It's so dumb,

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>so dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, And and I'll give MLB technology a shout out there.

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're the technology that they incorporate with with pitch

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<v Speaker 2>a fax. Yes, I mean, it's so good, it's really

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 2>well done. And let's let's use it. You guys got it,

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 2>let's use it.

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we didn't. We didn't anticipate going on that aside,

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>But once again, Marquez very reliable over ump Couzy and

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Miller very reliable underrumps and the numbers this year in

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<v Speaker 1>the first eighty games roughly back it up, all right, now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to I used to I used to compile

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<v Speaker 1>these on my own first five betting numbers. I don't

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 1>have time to do it anymore. But Odds Shark, Joe

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Straus get Odds Shark did it for many years now

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:33.719
<v Speaker 1>that they says the Odds Shark staff. So it might

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 1>not be Joe, but shout out to him, Shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to the whole odd Shark staff for compiling first five

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<v Speaker 1>money line records. And what I'm curious about here, Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>as with all of this, is what do you believe

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<v Speaker 1>to be sustainable? And what do you believe to be

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>just an aberration that will not be sustainable. So, the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest money winners thus far this year. If you bet

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>this team blindly on the money line each and every

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<v Speaker 1>first five thus far this year, the number one team

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<v Speaker 1>is by far the Texas Rangers. You'd be up seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>units betting them every time on the first five. They're

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 1>forty nine to twenty and nine. Keep in mind their

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>pushes in first five forty nine to twenty and nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Betting first fives, you'd be up seventeen units this parad Shark.

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<v Speaker 1>The Rays would be number two, you'd be up ten

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<v Speaker 1>and a half units roughly, and the Astros would be

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<v Speaker 1>number three. You'd be up over eight and a half units. Rangers, Rays, Astros,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Braves, Marlins at Giants. After that is,

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<v Speaker 1>are any of those teams surprising to you?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Because Texas has been so good offensively and they have

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<v Speaker 2>the widest run differential, the best run differential first five innings.

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 2>I did this yesterday is one hundred and eighteen run

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 2>difference in the first five is Texas. But from a

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>sustainability standpoint, you do have to gosh them losing your gramaw,

0:30:58.400 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 2>how huge is that?

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 3>Yet their first is still in first place. It amazes me.

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<v Speaker 1>So they Evaldi became to grom Yeah, yeah.

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I think the Evaldi is sustainable. He's had a hell

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 2>of a year and the stuff it matches the numbers

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>and the advanced numbers as well. But you gotta think

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Hany Perez, Dunning Gray, I don't know, you know, I

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know if those guys can can hang.

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're way ahead in first five numbers, so

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think the margin is sustainable. But because I

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>mean they're just crushing into it. Like second place is

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.719
<v Speaker 1>seven units less, right, like almost seven units less than

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>them the Rays, But it's Rangers raise Astros. It should

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 1>be pointed out by the way that they're in terms

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>of like if I narrowed it down to how many teams,

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>if you bet them every single day on the first five,

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 1>how many teams would have gotten you more than two

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>units to the positive per odd Shark's numbers, it's a

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 1>grand total of six teams Rangers, raise Astros, Braves, Marlins,

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>and Giants. That's it. Every other team. And this has

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot to do with first five straddle right where

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 1>you lose more juice when you're betting first fives than

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you are the the associated full game line, if you will.

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 1>That's it. That's the list. So it's it's you know,

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know I first fives. People are like, oh, well,

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 1>starting pitchers, so violidle, I'll just bet first fives. And

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not as easy as it sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're playing it into more juice too, so

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<v Speaker 2>you always got to you got to start there. And

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer if I can to play a full game,

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<v Speaker 2>but you have to have really good bullpen numbers as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's that's that's a process.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way. That by the way, does the seventh

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<v Speaker 1>place team surprise you? The seventh place team first five

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<v Speaker 1>is the Cubs? Does that surprise you?

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<v Speaker 3>You know it is it's surprising.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at their their run differential that it's fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the first five, and you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to think it like it's actually pretty good in

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<v Speaker 2>the second and the second half of the game too.

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<v Speaker 2>I did first five and last four and then and

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<v Speaker 2>the Cubs are fourteen and five and eighteen and last four.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we talked a little bit about this yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Gil I like this Cub's bullpens, so that that could

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<v Speaker 2>be a team to look at from a division standpoint.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, All right, let's say the worst teams. What are

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the worst first five teams? Well, this shouldn't surprise. This

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 1>is the worst in like I can imagine. You know,

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 1>usually when you and I do this, there's some difference

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<v Speaker 1>between full game and first five, or home and road,

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>or money line and run line. The Royals and A's

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<v Speaker 1>have been so epically bad that it doesn't matter what

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>we look at. They're just awful. Right, So the Royals,

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>let's say you're like, well, I didn't bet them money line, bizarro,

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't bet them run line bizarrow? What would bizarrow?

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>What would they be first five? Yeah, they'd have cost

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 1>you twenty and a half unit's betting, you know, first five. Also,

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 1>they're the worst. Athletics are the second worst, eighteen point

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five units. You know, hemorrhaging to the in the

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Red you'd be eighteen point seventy five units. Cause you

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<v Speaker 1>know the Royals first five they're twenty one, forty five,

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and twelve, and the A's are nineteen, forty seven and fourteen.

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're just awful. Now, these three teams might

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<v Speaker 1>surprise you. To round out the top five Red Sox, Phillies, Mets,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all double digits to the negative first five. Who's

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<v Speaker 1>the most surprising of those three?

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 3>The Mets are you think what they're pitching?

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, so they have had some injury, but I

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 2>mean they I think they might have the two biggest

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<v Speaker 2>contracts from a starting pitching standpoint in baseball, and so

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 2>that is surprising. And I think one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that's interesting as I was doing these run differentials was

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<v Speaker 2>the Mets minus thirty seven run differential first five and

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<v Speaker 2>then if you look at the last four, they're actually

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen ahead, so quite a minute a bit of difference

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<v Speaker 2>there with the Mets.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually something we should track, by the way, Like

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 1>we're always you know, you can bet first five, but

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 1>there's certain places where you can actually bet. I think

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>afterwards Todd Wishnev used to track this for us, like

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<v Speaker 1>what teams sixth inning on are actually the best in baseball?

0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Like if you it's an interesting way to look at

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>it because it shows you whose bullpens are better. But

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<v Speaker 1>like you, it was interesting what you said about the

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<v Speaker 1>first five. The Rangers. It's not so much of the pitching.

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 1>It's just they outslug you, they out hit you. And

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>so again they got there. However they got there. They're

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<v Speaker 1>up seventeen units. Is it sustainable? Yes, to that extent,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. By the way, though, the other ones

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<v Speaker 1>that rounded out the worst in terms of the first

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 1>five bets. So it's Royals worst, Athletics second, Red Sox

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 1>third worst, Phillies' fourth worst, Mets fifth worst, per odd

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Sharks the top ten worst first five, rounding them out sixth,

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 1>White Sox again over ten units down, Cardinals seventh. I mean,

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the Cardinals have just been an abject disappointment thus far.

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<v Speaker 1>You like the Cardinals. They're moving forward.

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think if they can get this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>league average pitching from their pitching, which they've done all year,

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 2>I think that they have they have a possibility. Although

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>obviously you're going to get better, but they've they've lost

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 2>so much equity in that division that I you know,

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 2>for me, I think it's the Cubs in that division

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 2>from a value standpoint.

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Interesting Mariners also, you know, almost nine units down first five,

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Padres over eight units down first five, Dodgers over eight

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 1>units down first five, Twins over eight units down first five,

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 1>and Blue Jay's eight units down first five. So that's

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 1>the thing about first five inning betting. I mean, it's

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of a PSA for don't think it's that easy.

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Like I always say that to people, like, you know,

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 1>five years ago, ten years ago, the asked me what's

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 1>your favorite sport to bett? It would have been based

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, I would. I used to say baseball. Everything

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>else is a distant second. It's not like that for

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>me anymore because starting pitchers get taken out much earlier

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>than they used to, So for me, it's less quantifiable.

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm not as deep in the weeds as you are

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 1>where you can sustain this. So for me, it's it's

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.359
<v Speaker 1>it's gone a little by the wayside. And a lot

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 1>of times when I say that, people are like, oh, well,

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 1>just bet the first five. Yeah, It's not that simple,

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 1>is what we're showing here.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, It's just the thing, you know, I think,

0:36:55.239 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 2>what what happen you know, I guess maybe outside of

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.400
<v Speaker 2>the last five years, is you'd have a pitcher that

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 2>would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad and they just stay with him. You'll be like, well, he's.

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Got a contract and you know he will turn it around, right. Well,

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:14.879
<v Speaker 2>they these these teams, all of them aren't way this guy.

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 2>If this guy's showing something bad, they're not going to

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 2>stay with him. So so that's one thing that you

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>got going on. And then it's hard to juggling act.

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 2>You really got to be able to balance that. And

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:29.360
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna and I think moving forward from a handicapping standpoint,

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 2>it's I think all these teams are going to go

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 2>to openers and guys pitching two winnings because, like you

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 2>said earlier on the show, that the math makes sense,

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 2>and so uh as they see teams succeed with it,

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 2>like Tampa Bay, like San Francisco, they're gonna be like, well,

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:45.840
<v Speaker 2>we needed these guys are doing really good with this.

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 3>Let's let's change, you know.

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.279
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, gonna make bottom bottom line is going to

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<v Speaker 2>make handicapping baseball a more detailed process in my opinion.

0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>And I know you love that, but like to the

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<v Speaker 1>mirror mortal, that's going to be so much much more difficult,

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>don't you think, Like the person who's.

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<v Speaker 2>A call I had to, yeah, because there's so much

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 2>to there's so much data that you have to balance,

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and so like I took time out the last couple

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 2>of years, a lot of time out to learn Python programming,

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 2>and I just felt like I needed to do it

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:18.839
<v Speaker 2>because the data is not as easy to process as

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 2>it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Gil Man, I love it. Like you and me are

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>cut from the same class. So the more you talk,

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the more fascinating I am by it. I really wonder,

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.399
<v Speaker 1>like how many people are like you at this point,

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 1>because I wonder how much like baseball modelers, I wonder

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:37.279
<v Speaker 1>what the attrition of that has been through the last

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:41.359
<v Speaker 1>five years, Like there's got to be a huge percentage

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 1>layoff where people are just like, I can't do this anymore.

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because there's just such a such an available amount

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.319
<v Speaker 2>of data that you know, it's it's really hard. It's

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to balance it. It's hard to say, Okay,

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>well this is great. Data looks good, is it descriptive,

0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 2>is it predictive?

0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 3>And the fact that it it used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the teams would hold on to players so

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<v Speaker 2>you'd get more of a sample I guess of either good, bad,

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>or indifferent.

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 3>You'd have a bigger sample.

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 2>But as these teams are seeing things, then you don't

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 2>have time to like, Okay, well this is this is

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the true talent level of this guy. Yeah, then be

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 2>able to ride it for a while. So it's just

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:29.280
<v Speaker 2>it's just very changeable, like like the data is moving fast.

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 3>I guess is that the.

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<v Speaker 1>Data is moving fast. Is a great way of putting it,

0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 1>because you know, at the risk of sounding like we're

0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:37.480
<v Speaker 1>some of the Vagus old timers, because you know, even

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 1>when we got you know, we were doing our baseball handicapping,

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 1>we'd always hear stories of oh, it was so much

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 1>easier back in our day, right even ten years ago. Man,

0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:47.279
<v Speaker 1>all I all we'd have to do is go to

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<v Speaker 1>a fangrass page and we have the podcast to prove

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 1>this right, and we would just look at you know,

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 1>hacks like E minus f right, the era A minus

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 1>fielding independent. We would see babb it, we would see

0:39:58.040 --> 0:39:59.919
<v Speaker 1>the home run to fly ball rate, we would see

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.840
<v Speaker 1>all the basic stats that we needed. Feeling independent xpip

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 1>and just based on a Fangrafts page, we could exploit baseball.

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 1>You talk about like pitchers who sucked that they would

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 1>stick with, and we could exploit that. It was also like,

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I remember, let's just go back nine years when Jacob

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 1>de Grom was having his first year with the Mets

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen, so it was before he was really Jacob

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 1>de Grom, right before he was winning in Cy Young's

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:29.840
<v Speaker 1>And I just remember that summer backing him over and

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>over and over again at really favorable prices, like a

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.440
<v Speaker 1>dog and short favorite prices, and you just remember, you're like,

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 1>that couldn't exist today, right because someone who comes out

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>now people know about him so quickly, and those numbers

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>don't last more than two or three starts tops, so

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 1>it's more difficult.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I remember, you know, to get to get

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 4>to what you did, there's Derek Lowe, Like you kept

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 4>bending against Derek low and they kept throwing him out there.

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:01.640
<v Speaker 3>They wouldn't. That wouldn't happen right now, It.

0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't happen done, And we don't. We almost had, we

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.400
<v Speaker 1>almost had to pour out of forty when they decided

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 1>to send him down. We're like, oh, that was fun. Yeah,

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 1>it was fun. I'm so glad. I'm so sad that

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:15.799
<v Speaker 1>they took him away from us. All right, And here's

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>the last thing. First innings. Now, a lot of people

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 1>like to bet first innings. Jason Weingarten and I for

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>years on the show on a numbers game and on

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the podcast, we've talked about betting yes nos, Yes, we'll

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:29.879
<v Speaker 1>a run be scored, no run will not be scored

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 1>in the first inning. Now, what's interesting is that when

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>we used to do it, it felt like we were

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the only ones. Obviously we weren't the only ones, but

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 1>we were one of very few people doing it, and

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 1>there was a method to what we were doing. And

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I said many years on the show, and it's the

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:44.360
<v Speaker 1>one thing I will not reveal, the secret sauce to.

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 1>What has been fascinating to watch is how there's been

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.600
<v Speaker 1>a sort of cottage industry developed now on yes first

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:55.240
<v Speaker 1>run inning and no first run inning, and how people

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>gravitate to the no, which is not what you're supposed

0:41:59.960 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 1>to do, by the way. So a lot of sportsbooks

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:06.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of exploit that and they promote those bets, and

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:08.800
<v Speaker 1>they're promoting in a way that is kind of leading

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>you astray. But one of the things that we have

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:18.479
<v Speaker 1>always tracked, and it is not exactly that key to betting. Yes,

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 1>no first inning runs, but can inform your bigger wagers

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>is how pitchers perform right out of gate, just the

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 1>first frame, the very first inning. And so what we

0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 1>do here, and this is proprietary on this show, you

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 1>won't hear it anywhere else. This is minimum forty played appearances.

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I said it at forty mark three eighty games. Maybe

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you want to adjust that, but I said at minimum

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 1>forty played appearances against. This is opposing hitters on base percentage.

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 1>The worst starting pitchers in baseball in the first inning

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 1>this year Jack Flaherty the Cardinals. Wow, I wouldn't have

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 1>expected that before the season for eighty on base against

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>in the first inning. Luke Weaver of the Reds for

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>seventy on base against. Then you have a Romsi Contreras

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 1>of the Pittsburgh Pirates third worst, Ryan Weathers of the

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Padres fourth worst, and then Luis Ortiz another Pirate, another

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Bucco fifth worst in terms of the first inning. Do

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:14.479
<v Speaker 1>you do you run those numbers? Do you have others

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 1>in there?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I've got that they're consistent with what you have

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 3>top to bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just trying to see if there's like a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger name down down the down the line.

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 1>That Lance Lynn is on, you know as the top

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 1>ten worst. Alec Manoa no surprise to anybody, He's has

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 1>had a terrible season. He's a top ten worst first inning.

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 1>When you get to top twenty, Verlander is like thirty.

0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I got I gotta see exactly how many.

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.880
<v Speaker 2>He's like a three seventy on base percentage. But is

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Wolba's zero point four to five eight, which is fifth

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 2>the WOBOs, fifth worst in in UH in baseball?

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, did I passed Verlander? Where did he go? Yeah?

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 1>So Verlander is in the in the worst. Yeah, he's

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 1>in the worst forty. Like names like Wainwright, Verlander, Carrasco, Cindergard,

0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Corbin Burns, Pablo Lopez, Max Scherzer, they're all in the bottom.

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:18.239
<v Speaker 1>They're all in the bottom forty. They're like between thirty

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 1>and fortieth worst. And Verlander to your point three seventy

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 1>on base against first innings.

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 3>That's surprising to me.

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 2>And you know the other one's surprising twenty eight is

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Alex Cobb because Alex husband Good.

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Alex Cobb is in there as well. That's right. So

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:39.719
<v Speaker 1>and Verlander. Remember there was a time where Verlander even

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:43.360
<v Speaker 1>admitted this is like way back when I'd say not

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 1>quite ten years ago, but I remember when Verlander would

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 1>admit publicly, I don't know what it is, but I'm

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 1>never ready in the first inning. I only settled down

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 1>in the second. And he used to say, it goes,

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.440
<v Speaker 1>he goes, maybe I should just start warming up earlier, right,

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:56.799
<v Speaker 1>And then he won another cy Young or whatever since then,

0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 1>But that used to be a thing with him, that

0:44:58.520 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 1>he sucked in the first inning. And here we are

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 1>again and he's sucking in the first inning.

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.320
<v Speaker 2>So that's interesting. I'll have to look at his historical

0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:06.919
<v Speaker 2>numbers on that. That'll give me food for thought for today.

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Gil Good good poll on that, all right?

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 1>And the best in the first inning thus far this year,

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Hunter Green is your best one thirty six opposing on

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:21.320
<v Speaker 1>base against first inning. And then after him comes a

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 1>sort of who's who you Darvish Hey, sous Lussarto, fran Bervaldez,

0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Sonny Gray, Christian Javier, I guess Joe Ryan Fell after

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 1>last night's performance, I don't see him anymore. But he

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:35.440
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there. But he's not there anymore. But anyway, all

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 1>those guys fantastic in the first inning thus far this

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.839
<v Speaker 1>year minimum forty played appearances against a lot of those

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.040
<v Speaker 1>sound pretty sustainable to you, I would imagine.

0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:46.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those those are pretty good pictures that you just mentioned.

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was an interesting Graham Ashcraft. I have

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:51.359
<v Speaker 2>it two sixteen.

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:52.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't know where you have.

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 1>He's top ten, he's tenth to sixteen exactly, Graham Ashcraft.

0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, we're on that. And then this one's interest.

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 2>This this picture is interesting to me because I follow

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.640
<v Speaker 2>the Angels a lot read debt. Meers is top ten

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 2>to twenty as I have him, and I think that

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 2>guy's sustainable.

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.719
<v Speaker 3>I think think that could be the Angel's missing piece there.

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 2>So they could go if Deptmers can pitch like he

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 2>has the last couple of times, they go, o Tani.

0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:19.879
<v Speaker 2>Deptmers have to have two legitimate like you know, top

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 2>top level. They can't compare debts.

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:23.359
<v Speaker 3>With Otani, but you can.

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you can just get that kind of

0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:29.239
<v Speaker 2>production with that lineup, there might be something to that

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:29.839
<v Speaker 2>Angel's game.

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:31.759
<v Speaker 1>Go. Yeah. The other thing is, like you see when

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 1>you delve into these kind of when you get more

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:36.359
<v Speaker 1>granular like this, because we talked about how when you're

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>okay starting pitchers, if you bet these starting pitchers blindly,

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>they would have been the biggest hemorrhagers of money thus

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 1>far this year. Well, Blake Snell was on the bottom ten,

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:45.320
<v Speaker 1>and we quickly said, well, he's pitching great now, he

0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:49.719
<v Speaker 1>won't last year long first innings, he's top fifteen best

0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:52.439
<v Speaker 1>first innings. You know who else's top fifteen best first

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 1>innings and is having a horrible year by any measure,

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:58.839
<v Speaker 1>Sandy al Kantara of the Marlins. So you do see,

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:01.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, when you get a little granu're like, okay,

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe this is what's going to win out in the

0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:08.279
<v Speaker 1>end if they start games this well, like you know, again,

0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:10.239
<v Speaker 1>this is only first time. Not only is the only

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:13.400
<v Speaker 1>first time through the order, it's oftentimes first three batters, right,

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of these guys you have to look

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:18.000
<v Speaker 1>at their attrition second time through, third time through. Like

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Otani they were talking about last night. Otani is great

0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 1>first time through and third time through, but he's not

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 1>as good second time through, which is really interesting, right,

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Usually usually doesn't work that way, it's interesting.

0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:31.879
<v Speaker 2>But you know what, you know what you I think

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:35.920
<v Speaker 2>you you have touched upon something that's actionable if you

0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 2>can find somebody. I'm looking at Strider and he's like

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:41.399
<v Speaker 2>two fifty and twenty fifth place, But like, I don't

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 2>have Strider as a twenty fifth pitcher.

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 3>By my brain is I have number one by a lot.

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>So maybe he's a guy that you wait and you

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 2>bet some live stuff on after that first inning, and

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you could you could compare the guy's prowess I guess

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:55.560
<v Speaker 2>in the first inning to to the rest of the

0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:59.320
<v Speaker 2>game and maybe come up with some good, good live ideas.

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 2>So that's one of the beauties of doing this show

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:05.080
<v Speaker 2>with you, Gil is like you inspired thought on me,

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:05.719
<v Speaker 2>which is cool.

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I love it.

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean it it reveals stuff like we don't do this.

0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>That's why we do it every quarter because it's sort

0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of we like to be surprised by what we find,

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.239
<v Speaker 1>because you're into baseball as much as anybody, and even

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:18.479
<v Speaker 1>you are surprised by certain things. Let's end with something

0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:20.799
<v Speaker 1>you just said, because that's basically the derivatives we wanted

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:23.720
<v Speaker 1>to go through all the way from moms to first fives,

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 1>to first innings. You know, stuff that's more widely available,

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.520
<v Speaker 1>stuff that's less widely available, But you bring up Spencer Strider.

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 1>So I opened a numbers game this morning because of

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Otani's great night last night, both hitting and pitching, and

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I talked about how Otani, I mean, he's minus fourteen

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.239
<v Speaker 1>hundred to win AL MVP. Only only an injury or

0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 1>a trade to the National League could beat him now.

0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 1>So then I was like, okay, well could he win

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the AL Si Young? He's eleven to one, he's the

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:51.799
<v Speaker 1>fifth shortest shot, and you have guys like McClanahan who

0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 1>is the shortest shot above him, and three other guys

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 1>like Valdez for instance. And my theory was, you know,

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:01.400
<v Speaker 1>he does lead in three big catories right like on

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:05.160
<v Speaker 1>base excuse me, batting average against and a strikeout rate

0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:07.239
<v Speaker 1>or two of them just off the top of my head.

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 1>But would they vote would they vote him cy Young

0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:12.960
<v Speaker 1>if they're going to give him the MVP? And my

0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:17.920
<v Speaker 1>thought is humans are humans, They're dumb. They probably won't, right,

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>like he would have to just go ridiculous. And Tom Tango,

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:24.279
<v Speaker 1>who's got the most tried and true Tom Tango, who

0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:28.360
<v Speaker 1>invented fielding independent pitching. For instance, FIP FIP tom Tango

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 1>has the most reliable cy Young points system there ever was,

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:35.719
<v Speaker 1>which has nothing to do with advanced stats. Right. I

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:37.759
<v Speaker 1>won't bore you with the formula, but it's like the

0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 1>simplest formula for coming up with it. And the last

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.920
<v Speaker 1>six years twelve different SI Young's al and NL. He

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 1>has picked seven out of the last twelve perfectly. He's

0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:52.000
<v Speaker 1>got McClanahan as his top SI Young guy right now.

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 1>He's also the shortest in the market in the American League.

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:57.360
<v Speaker 1>The interesting part comes in the National League because I

0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.359
<v Speaker 1>went through this and will end on this. You brought

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.279
<v Speaker 1>up Strider. I went through the exercise yesterday where I

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.400
<v Speaker 1>went through I'm like, okay, I was talking about Joe Otani.

0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I figured, oh, Toni's not gonna get cy Young. What

0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:10.440
<v Speaker 1>about the National league? National League is far more fascinating

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:12.040
<v Speaker 1>because when I went through the numbers, and what I

0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:15.879
<v Speaker 1>care about is EER juxtaposed against FIP and x FIP,

0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:19.080
<v Speaker 1>but also your expected ra I care about you know,

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.920
<v Speaker 1>your war your win loss record a little bit, but

0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 1>your k rate, your walk rate, batting average against WHIP.

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm going through all these different numbers, and when

0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I go through that, really the guy that ends up

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>leading in most or is just about to lead. And

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:36.680
<v Speaker 1>even more is Strider and Strider's plus seven fifty And

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:39.240
<v Speaker 1>I texted Jason last time, I'm like, how is Spencer

0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Strider plus seven fifty? He shouldn't be. There's no way

0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna bet that tomorrow, meaning today, And I think

0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:47.480
<v Speaker 1>I am going to bet that mark And it sounds

0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 1>like you kind of agree with me before you answer.

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:51.759
<v Speaker 1>I just want to add the Tom Tango point though,

0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 1>So Tango does it much simpler. You know who his

0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 1>number one nlsy young guy is right now, I'll give

0:50:58.520 --> 0:50:59.400
<v Speaker 1>you five guesses.

0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:04.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh but Strider it's not. I don't know I did.

0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:07.360
<v Speaker 3>This is a market where I'm like, I'm with you,

0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:08.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm like perplexed on it.

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:12.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like Strider's the best picture strikeouts that's in baseball

0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:14.920
<v Speaker 2>when's losses, which I did a little bit of a

0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:17.240
<v Speaker 2>study last year on the cy young and when's loses

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 2>and strikeouts are really two of the key drivers. Yes,

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and he's he's there too, So maybe kerse shot, maybe kershot.

0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Nope, So the market right now has well to use

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the draft Kings number. Zach Gallen is plus one sixty

0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:32.480
<v Speaker 1>five to win the National League sy Young Award, Clayton

0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Kershaw's plus four twenty five, Stryder's plus seven point fifty,

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:39.520
<v Speaker 1>which to me is just like, man, it's such a

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:41.520
<v Speaker 1>bang for your buck. On that Logan Webb with the

0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Giants is nine to one, Zach Wheeler's nine to one.

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:47.800
<v Speaker 1>It's none of those guys. It's Marcus Stroman of the Cubs,

0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:51.080
<v Speaker 1>according to Tango right now, who's twenty to one, and

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:54.600
<v Speaker 1>again based on his super simple formula, and I'll try

0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:57.319
<v Speaker 1>to find that here as I speak. It has nothing

0:51:57.360 --> 0:51:59.560
<v Speaker 1>to do with those advanced stats that I just talked about.

0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:05.680
<v Speaker 1>So he loves again. What he is basically getting at

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:07.880
<v Speaker 1>is you and I can talk till we're blue in

0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 1>the face about well, yeah, I mean special Strider's strikeout

0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:12.480
<v Speaker 1>percentage just thirty eight point two percent. I mean, that's

0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the most incredible thing we've ever seen in our lives.

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:17.279
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't matter to the average cy young voter.

0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:19.800
<v Speaker 1>They're like, I'm sorry, what's his batting average against? And

0:52:19.880 --> 0:52:21.799
<v Speaker 1>what's his win loss record? Like that kind of thing.

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:25.799
<v Speaker 3>What are they looking at? Er, that's terrible here's rible.

0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give you the tango formula for Cy Young

0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:31.799
<v Speaker 1>and you're just gonna laugh. And then he's gonna laugh

0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:33.680
<v Speaker 1>back in your face because he's gonna be like, I've

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 1>hit seven of twelve, and not only have I have

0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 1>seven of the last twelve, but I almost give you

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the exact order every time. So here's his here's his formula.

0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Let me say, call up my laptop juiced out, but

0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing it on my phone so it's taking a second.

0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:51.279
<v Speaker 1>But here it is the tap the tom tango Cy

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.399
<v Speaker 1>Young points formula. I know, boys and girls, you didn't

0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:56.240
<v Speaker 1>think there'd be math on this show, but it's really simple.

0:52:56.280 --> 0:53:02.160
<v Speaker 1>It's innings pitch divided by twos earned runs. So that's

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:05.800
<v Speaker 1>a fraction, right. Innings pitched is the numerator, two minus

0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:11.839
<v Speaker 1>earned runs is the denominator plus strikeouts divided by ten

0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:17.200
<v Speaker 1>plus wins. Exactly what you were just saying. Strikeouts and wins.

0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:22.879
<v Speaker 2>They they I think the stridegous and wins do too.

0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:23.919
<v Speaker 3>I guess that earned.

0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:27.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess he's got earned runs in there, so he does.

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:30.600
<v Speaker 2>That would hurt Stryder a little bit because he has

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:33.960
<v Speaker 2>he has given up more so gosh, I just I

0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:37.520
<v Speaker 2>can't see guy. How about watching both guys and saying,

0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, look at this guy like he's watched

0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:40.839
<v Speaker 2>Strider pitch.

0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:44.160
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's it's it. It is impressive.

0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:46.880
<v Speaker 2>And I've watched a lot of pitchers, uh, in my day,

0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:49.000
<v Speaker 2>starting when I was nine years old. Nolan Ryan, who

0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 2>I love, and he's a great pitcher. But like I gosh,

0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:54.520
<v Speaker 2>I hate to say this, Gill, but I think Strider's

0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:56.160
<v Speaker 2>better than Nolan Ryan. I really do.

0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:56.560
<v Speaker 3>So.

0:53:56.920 --> 0:54:00.400
<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing. The comp is exactly great. The

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:04.840
<v Speaker 1>comp for Strider based on his high strikeout rate, the

0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:08.800
<v Speaker 1>low batting average against is Nolan Ryan. Historically, you know what,

0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Nolan Ryan never did Mark never won a cy Young. Never.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the most crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>That is such a crazy number.

0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Wow, we never want a si Young. Most no hitters

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of baseball. Seven, he had the most

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:24.640
<v Speaker 1>one hitters, He had the most two hitters. Like this

0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 1>dude was out of control, by the way, great documentary

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:31.200
<v Speaker 1>recommendation on Netflix facing Nolan never won a cy Young.

0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Why didn't he win a cy Young because he had

0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:36.839
<v Speaker 1>a really high walk rate and so kind of two

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<v Speaker 1>does Strider.

0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:41.279
<v Speaker 3>But I'm a true story, but I think that the

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<v Speaker 3>wins are important.

0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:45.800
<v Speaker 2>So I think that the wins. He played on some

0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:49.480
<v Speaker 2>crappy teams, and he did. The Braves are probably the

0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:50.320
<v Speaker 2>best team in baseball.

0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:51.440
<v Speaker 3>That's going to help.

0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:53.360
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly right. They're the best team in baseball. And

0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 1>he's nine and two strider. So I'm going out. I

0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:56.880
<v Speaker 1>don't have an in pocket yet, but I'm going out

0:54:56.880 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and I'm betting him plus seven fifty today. The only

0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:02.880
<v Speaker 1>other baseball that I have in pocket awards wise, I

0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:05.560
<v Speaker 1>have Louis a. Riaz of the of the Miami Marlins.

0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:08.240
<v Speaker 1>I got him at eighty to one to win National

0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:12.319
<v Speaker 1>League MVP, the entire theory being that if he hits

0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:15.160
<v Speaker 1>four hundred, they gotta give it to him. Now, I

0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:17.600
<v Speaker 1>know that's a debate, but my whole thing was and

0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:19.040
<v Speaker 1>why I got him, by the way, he's twenty five

0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 1>to one. Now, my whole thing was in twenty twelve,

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:22.920
<v Speaker 1>you and I used to do a podcast at the time.

0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:25.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you'll remember this conversation. It was

0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:27.719
<v Speaker 1>a debate between Miguel Cabrera and Mike Trout. For those

0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:29.239
<v Speaker 1>who are listened to betting dork and beating the book

0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:31.120
<v Speaker 1>for years. You'll remember this. It was a debate between

0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Cabrera and Mike Trout, And my point in twenty twelve was,

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:37.719
<v Speaker 1>they haven't had a triple crown in forty five years, right,

0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Carlia Strmsky in nineteen sixty seven. You cannot talk about

0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:44.800
<v Speaker 1>something for forty five years, this hallowed baseball thing, this

0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 1>triple crown, and then decide arbitrarily when someone finally does it,

0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:51.840
<v Speaker 1>which Miguel Cabrera did. Oh, we liked Mike. We like

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Mike Trout's new fangled metrics better. No, you have to

0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:58.600
<v Speaker 1>give it to Miguel Cabrera, and they did, to their credit. Now,

0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the next year, you can give it Trout, you can

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:02.080
<v Speaker 1>give it everybody else you want to, and they did.

0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:03.640
<v Speaker 1>They give it a Trout the next year, but that

0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:05.680
<v Speaker 1>year you had to give it to Cabrera. My thing

0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:07.719
<v Speaker 1>with the with hitting four hundred, and by the way,

0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:09.839
<v Speaker 1>a rise is still a huge long shot to get there.

0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.680
<v Speaker 1>As we do this on June twenty eighth, he's hitting

0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:16.560
<v Speaker 1>three ninety nine. But if he hits four hundred, which

0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:18.840
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been done since nineteen forty one, and Ted Williams

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.879
<v Speaker 1>four h six, and we've had flirtations George Bett George

0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Brett in our childhood, most famously Rod Carew three ninety

0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:27.759
<v Speaker 1>and three eighty eight, respectively. And I know Tony Gwynn

0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:30.400
<v Speaker 1>hit three ninety four in the ninety four strike season,

0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 1>but if he hits four hundred, I don't care what

0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:34.759
<v Speaker 1>you're doing, Ronald Acuna. You have to give it to

0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Louis Airias. That's what I'm going with.

0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:38.279
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I agree with you.

0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I think you're right, Gil, and Nakuta has had a

0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:42.160
<v Speaker 2>hell of a year. I mean, it would be a

0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:44.000
<v Speaker 2>shame for him not to get it. It would, but

0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:46.239
<v Speaker 2>I think they'll give it. I think I'm with you.

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:47.680
<v Speaker 2>I think they'll give it to a rise.

0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:49.920
<v Speaker 1>And to your point, yes, the Braves are the best,

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 1>but the Marlins right now are in a wildcard position.

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.000
<v Speaker 1>So if the Marlins also get to a wild card,

0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:57.319
<v Speaker 1>that would be you know, another feather in his cap

0:56:57.400 --> 0:57:00.480
<v Speaker 1>as well, and they would way have an exceeded xpectations

0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:02.360
<v Speaker 1>by doing so. The only other thing I have is

0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:04.200
<v Speaker 1>that I don't expect to win this, but I have

0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Elie Dela Cruz at thirty to one to win the

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:11.239
<v Speaker 1>National League Rookie of the Year Carrol Gorvin Carroll of

0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:14.279
<v Speaker 1>the Diamondbacks is the big favorite right now. Cruz Dela

0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Cruz is four to one at this point, but I

0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:18.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know if he can get there. But man, is

0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:21.880
<v Speaker 1>he amazing and he represents to me why this baseball

0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:23.560
<v Speaker 1>season has been so awesome so far.

0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's that's a good point that that team's been exciting.

0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:31.000
<v Speaker 2>The Orioles are exciting. There's so many and the pitch

0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:34.240
<v Speaker 2>clock is just I knew it would be good, but

0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:37.520
<v Speaker 2>not this good. This really makes baseball enjoyable for us.

0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:40.840
<v Speaker 2>It just from a rhythm standpoint, The rhythm is great.

0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you know, let's put it this way. Do you

0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:45.000
<v Speaker 1>know one person, one human being who has been like,

0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:47.720
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I really hate this pitch clock. I

0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:49.480
<v Speaker 1>really liked it when they took all the time in

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the world.

0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:52.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't know anybody.

0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:53.880
<v Speaker 2>It was like, Oh, I wish it was back before

0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:56.960
<v Speaker 2>when Kenley Jansen was doing laps around the infield.

0:57:57.000 --> 0:57:59.400
<v Speaker 1>That's right, when a row this chap would throw one

0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:02.439
<v Speaker 1>pitch and that take two laps around the mound before

0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:05.200
<v Speaker 1>you threw another. Yeah, nobody wants.

0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 2>That, and I think it's attracting people who are kind

0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:09.240
<v Speaker 2>of on the on the on the bubble. I've talked

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:10.800
<v Speaker 2>to a couple of people like, oh, this is great,

0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:13.520
<v Speaker 2>I can watch I can actually enjoy watching baseball, and

0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:14.439
<v Speaker 2>so it's good.

0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:16.840
<v Speaker 3>It's good. Well job, man, ILB. Now let's do the

0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:17.920
<v Speaker 3>strike zone here, dude.

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Let's do the strike zone. Let's make it perfect. Let's

0:58:19.640 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 1>do the strike zone. Listen. We used to do Q one,

0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Q two, Q three on on the podcast side back

0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:27.360
<v Speaker 1>in the day. We do it on the radio side.

0:58:27.400 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Now we only kind of do the Q two on

0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the podcast side. But I always appreciated market and you're right,

0:58:32.080 --> 0:58:35.040
<v Speaker 1>you were the first podcast guest ever. I will always

0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:36.960
<v Speaker 1>cherish you for that. I always thank you for that. Man.

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we have sustained it all these years, man,

0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:42.080
<v Speaker 1>And congratulations on all your success and people should know

0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:46.360
<v Speaker 1>you and Jason Winegarden, who I like to think where

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I gave birth to on the podcast. You guys do

0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:51.320
<v Speaker 1>your own show together now, that's.

0:58:51.240 --> 0:58:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Great and you've really opened a lot of doors for

0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 2>me personally, Gil, So I thank you for that. And uh,

0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:59.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, always always a pleasure to be on with

0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the voices Sports Betting Okay, wonderful, you know, but you

0:59:02.720 --> 0:59:04.920
<v Speaker 2>really inspire thoughts. So now I've got a couple of

0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:07.400
<v Speaker 2>different things, and it's like we should do this more often,

0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:09.479
<v Speaker 2>we should should bring more and more often.

0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:11.960
<v Speaker 1>It's great, love it and again Mark's appearances on a

0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:16.560
<v Speaker 1>numbers game every Tuesday on v SIN, the Sports Betting Network, Mark,

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:19.320
<v Speaker 1>thank you appreciated At base Winter Based Winter dot com

0:59:19.400 --> 0:59:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the base Winter podcast. How often are you doing Base

0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Winter podcast now that you're doing the bet Us show

0:59:24.160 --> 0:59:24.640
<v Speaker 1>with Jason?

0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Haven't done many this year.

0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I think we've done too so far this year because

0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:30.600
<v Speaker 2>it's every day that I'm that people you know, can

0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:33.080
<v Speaker 2>interact with me. That's one cool thing about the show too,

0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:36.080
<v Speaker 2>is like people can ask questions and I really enjoy

0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 2>that part of it.

0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:41.760
<v Speaker 3>There, Yeah, physics in there, he's in there.

0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Sure, Okay, say finish your thought, we'll go What were

0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:45.000
<v Speaker 1>you saying there at the end?

0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll probably I'll probably kick out a couple more

0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:52.080
<v Speaker 2>podcasts just from a technical standpoint. I like to talk

0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:56.040
<v Speaker 2>about the technical side on on the podcast because the

0:59:56.160 --> 1:00:00.320
<v Speaker 2>host Scott Uh, he's he's a he's actually a around

1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:03.200
<v Speaker 2>by trade, so we get more into technical on those

1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:04.240
<v Speaker 2>podcasts Gilt.

1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, cool Mark, appreciate it, man Mark, borch it, everybody.

1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. Wimbledon podcast on Friday. But hope

1:00:12.560 --> 1:00:15.400
<v Speaker 1>you got something out of this food for thought for

1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:17.560
<v Speaker 1>a bet today, maybe not a bet today, maybe a

1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:20.000
<v Speaker 1>bet for the future in Major League Baseball. Thank you,

1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:20.960
<v Speaker 1>as always for listening.