1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak here for this Tuesday, the fourth 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: of April in London. Coming up today one day Credit 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Sweets was a single trading day from bankruptcy when sold. 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Today it faces shareholders for its AGM charged atmosphere, Donald 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: Trump heads to court to face historic criminal charges and 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: on the right track. Fed Governor Cook says inflation is easy, 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: tax cutting, Chancellor Nigel Lawson dies and the ECB's warning 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: on commercial real estate. Those other stories we're looking at 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: in today's papers. And I'm Leanne Geron's class Britain's leading 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: business lobby. The CBI faces growing claims of sexual misconducts. 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. The business 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: news you need to start your day in just one 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: fifteen minute podcast on Apple, Spotify, the Bloomberg Business app 14 00:00:54,440 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: and everywhere you get your podcasts. Good morning, I'm Caroline Hepke. 15 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: Here are the stories we're following today. Credit Suis will 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: meet its shareholders in Zurich today, the first and perhaps 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: the last opportunity for them to speak directly to the 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: board after the government orchestrated rescue. Swiss National Bank Vice 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: president Martin Schlegel has said that without the UBS deal, 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: Credit Swiez face bankruptcy. Bloomberg's Oliver Kruk reports head Credit 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: Sui has not been sold to UBS, it would have 22 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: gone bankrupt the next trading day. That's according to Martin Schlegel, 23 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: who told SRF that without the buyout, it's very very 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: likely a financial crisis in Switzerland and worldwide would have happened. 25 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: The Swiss National Bank vice president says he doesn't see 26 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: any signs of financial stabilities under a threat now, so 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: the central bank will razorrates again if needed. Observers still 28 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: expect another twenty five basis point hike and June, but 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: possibly no further steps. In Zurich, I'm Oliver Krug Bloomberg 30 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: Daybreak Europe. Well, we will be going live to speak 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: to Oliver Kruk in Zurich for more on the Credit 32 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: Sweets AGM. He is right outside that AGM for us 33 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: this morning. Now. President Donald Trump arrives in court today 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: to face criminal charges, a first in US history. There 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: are fears of protests around the court, leading some streets 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: in New York to be closed for the hearing. President 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: Biden has asked was asked if he is worried about unrest, 38 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: although Biden says he has faith that the judge presiding 39 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: over the case has banned all electronic devices from the 40 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: courtroom to prevent a media circus. The European Central Bank 41 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: has not taken another half point hike off the table. 42 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: The ECB's governing council member, Robert Holtzman, said that the 43 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: increase is still on the cards. If the termoil that's 44 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: rock the global banking system doesn't worsen. Holtzman did acknowledge 45 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank, but said that his 46 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: feeling would be to stay on course on interest rate 47 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: hikes in order to address in la. So that in 48 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: terms of the ECB. Then this morning, turning our attention 49 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: though to the Federal Reserve. Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook 50 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: says that inflation has started easing, but Cook, who is 51 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: a voting member, warned that a tight labor market could 52 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: derail the outlook. See in wage gains moderate in quite 53 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: a bit, so that I think is a hopeful sign. 54 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: But the disinflationary processes in I think it's it's in process, 55 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: it's in train, we're out theory. So Lisa Cook, speaking 56 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: there at the University of Michigan. It comes as FED 57 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: policymakers try to price in shocks from Ukraine, China reopening 58 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: and now oil so that in terms of central bank news. 59 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: Now for some politics who In the UK the Labor 60 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: Party is homing in on crime as a key election issue. 61 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: Leader Kissama says that Labor would add thirteen thousand neighborhood 62 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: police officers. The government's hollowed out policing. They got rid 63 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: of about twenty thousand officers. We say at the thirteen 64 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: but neighborhood and police officers that they're in their pack, 65 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: working with communities. Both major political parties in Britain are 66 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: seeking to present themselves as tough on crime, with public 67 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: confidence in the police plummeting in recent years. A damning 68 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: report last month found that London's Metropolitan Police is quote 69 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic. Meanwhile, a leading a Labor 70 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: politician has pulled out of an event arranged by the 71 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: Confederation of British Industry this after the Loyby Group faced 72 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: fresh allegations of sexual misconduct among its staff, including reports 73 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: for more than a dozen women who say that they 74 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: were victims of sexual harassment Yesterday, the Guardian newspaper reported 75 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: that the CBI had widened an inquiry that it launched 76 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: last month. A spokesperson for the Lobby Group, which represents 77 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety thousand businesses in Britain, has responded 78 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: saying that it has treated and continues to treat all 79 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: matters of workplace conduct with the utmost seriousness. Okay, those 80 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: are a few of our top stories, and for you 81 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: this morning a couple of interesting other stories that have 82 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: caught my eye. So certainly when it comes to the 83 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: makeup of the Bank of England, I brought you a 84 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: bit of you know what the Fed thinking is now 85 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: on interest rates in the ECB. But here in the 86 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: UK the Treasury is going to announce successor to Sylvanna 87 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: ten Vera, actually as soon as this week. Her term 88 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: ends on the fourth of July. Quite interesting to note 89 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: which names are in the ring for this, one of 90 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: which our listeners will know quite well. Sarah Hwan, of course, 91 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: head of research for Europe and America's that Standard Chartered. Also, 92 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: a bloom Boy reports that Salaheen, who is chief economist 93 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: at Van god Asset Management, is another name. Both Huan 94 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: and Salaheen didn't comment, of course, on that report. Declined 95 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: to comment. The treasure keen to have a woman in 96 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: place to keep the gender balance in terms of the 97 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: external members of the MPC, but then it could sort 98 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: of tip the dove hawk balance on the Bank of 99 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: England committee. So I think that's quite interesting in terms 100 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: of what's happening with the BOE. I want to you 101 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: turn back then to our top story. Credit Sweeces Board 102 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: faces the music today at their first AGM since the 103 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: bank was sold off in emergency measures. The government broker 104 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: takeover of Credit sweez was quote the best among bad solutions, 105 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: so says the Swiss National Bank vice president Martin Schlegel, 106 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: joining us now live from outside Credit swieces agm our 107 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg reporter Oliver Krook. Oliver, thank you so much for 108 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: being with us. Why is there even an AGM happening 109 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: if Credit SUEECEE is now part of UBS. Yeah, I 110 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: think that's a good question. I think that's you know, 111 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions around the AGM, which 112 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: is fairly peculiar, as you say, for an AGM, given 113 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: that this will not exist as a standalone entergy I'm 114 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: in a couple of months, but it does. You know, 115 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: the share still trade and they did complete their last 116 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: year's financial results, which is why they're holding their AGM. 117 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: But the question is today. What is sort of so 118 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: interesting about this is that this is also the first 119 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: it will be their last AGM. It'll be their first 120 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: AGM in person since twenty nineteen, in four years, so 121 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: since the last AGM on April twenty six, twenty nineteen. 122 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: If you if you held shares since then, you were 123 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: wiped out to the tune of ninety three percent. That 124 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: was a company of a thirty five billion dollars market 125 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: caps that was sold for three billion dollars just a 126 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. So you have to imagine the 127 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: daunting task before the board facing shareholders who are coming 128 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: in today. So this will all kick off at ten 129 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: thirty local time. The chairman will speak, the CEO speaks, 130 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: and then it's question time. Shareholders will give their statements, 131 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: they will ask questions and it can go well into 132 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: the evening. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean that's good to be 133 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: quite a clash. Then surely what do we think might happen? 134 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: Norway Suffering Wealth Funds has also come out with a 135 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: view around the reelection of Credit Suis directors. I mean again, 136 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: question mark doesn't really matter now. I think it's a 137 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: very good question, and I think that part of this 138 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: will obviously be symbolic and about having confidence and about 139 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: kind of who is held to account for what has 140 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: gone on with Credit sweet Um. There are a few 141 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: of the more contentious votes who are already pulled before 142 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: the meeting, but there is also I took to one 143 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: shareholder yesterday and making the point that actually the board 144 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: going forward is going to be the board that is 145 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: going to be determining, you know what. Is all the 146 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: information going to get out to shareholders, to investigators, to 147 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: ubs to make sure that the board that is seating 148 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: seated when this transition is going on, has the right 149 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: people in it and has the people that are untainted 150 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: by all the issues of the past. So I think 151 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: this is where one area where you could have, you know, 152 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: some substantial move for the share olds. But I think 153 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: for them it's just going to be questions. You know, 154 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: was there no other alternative to the takeover? What were 155 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: the conversations, Is there any other way for shareholders to 156 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: get compensated our cloudbacks? On the table for pay for example, 157 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: all of this stuff will be you know, I think 158 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: addressed today. Yeah, I mean well, I mean mentioned prosecutors. 159 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: Prosecutors are probing the deal. What do we know about 160 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: that currently? We don't know a great deal about it. 161 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think the sense that 162 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: we've gotten from the very beginning from this deal is 163 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: that it is hugely contentious, right. It is hugely contentious 164 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: obviously for Credit Swiss shareholders. It is contentious for UBS 165 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: shareholders who didn't even get to vote on it. It It 166 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: is contentious for Swiss citizens and may not even have 167 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: been what the government wanted. So I think for them 168 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: it's really very important to make sure that there is 169 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: no stone unturned, that everything has been looked at, that 170 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: there is a completely clean slate going into this. So 171 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: I think that this investigation will be part of that. 172 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: And we hear it constantly right from government officials that 173 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: there was no other alternative, as we were mentioning, you know, 174 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: earlier from the SMB, and so I think that this 175 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: is part of that effort and really kind of certifying 176 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: that this had to happen, and that it happened in 177 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: a way that was legitimate, okay, Oliver, thank you so 178 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: much for being with us this morning. That is our 179 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: bliebeg Reporter Oliver Crook there live outside of Credit Suisses AGM, 180 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: which does take place today. Thank you so much for 181 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: your time. Coming up next though, tax cutting Chancellor Nigel 182 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Lawson dies and the ECB's warning on real estate now 183 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: the paper review on blue Bird day Break Europe, the 184 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: news you need to know from today's papers and joining 185 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: me this morning is me Begs. Leanne Gerin's the headlines 186 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: the Telegraph Nigel Lawson, tax cutting chancellor under Margaret Thatcher 187 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: dies aged and ninety one. The Financial Times meanwhile calls 188 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: it radical tax cutting. UK Chancellor Nigel Lawson dies at 189 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: ninety one leanne Garin's what is the view now looking 190 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: back on perhaps one of the most influential chancellors in 191 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: Britain in the last fifty years and one of the 192 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: longest serving two Caroline So you know he holds a 193 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: few accolades, we must say, and the papers have paid 194 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: him respect and the Telegraph does describe him as a 195 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: man who really changed things here in Britain, and a 196 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: lot of that we can still see in the City 197 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: of London. The newspaper said, Lord Lawson headed up the 198 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: Treasury under Thatcher, and that was from nineteen eighty three 199 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: to nineteen eighty nine, and he was really well known 200 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: for modernizing London's financial markets in the so called Big 201 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: Bang of deregulation. The Telegraph said he helped lead the 202 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: privatization drive that put swaves of the public sector under 203 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: the control of private companies. His work led to the 204 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: privatization of British airways, British telecoms, British gas and also 205 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: national electricity generators. So he did change things, Carolina, And 206 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: as you said, a lot of people know his name 207 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: and remember what he did during that time of Thatcher's reign. 208 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: The ft says Lawson was revered by many conservative politicians 209 00:11:55,160 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: as a small state revolutionary and they also said he 210 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: was signed from the government in nineteen eighty nine, but 211 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: he later won these further admirers on the Tory right, 212 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: and that was because of his support for the Brexit 213 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: referendum and for brexiting the country. And it's also important 214 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: to say that he did run the Treasury under Thatcher 215 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: for three years. They ultimately, Caroline, they down for was 216 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: all over economic policy. This what's made the two of 217 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: them really fall out with each other. And do you 218 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: know what it was all over? It was over Thatcher's 219 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: opposition to Britain during the europe joining the European exchange 220 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: rate mechanisms, and he saw as a means of controlling inflation. 221 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: Well this and I think this is why it is 222 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: so fasct and so much will be written about this. 223 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Lawson is an absolutely towering figure because frankly 224 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: he created the modern financial system that has made London, 225 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, a kind of glow noble center. Yes, he 226 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: presided over the end largely of open up cry trading 227 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: and the move to electronic trading hugely important. Also though 228 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: there was this idea of the kind of dash for 229 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: growth in Britain, and haven't we heard that again in 230 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: recent times? The idea of trying to revive written that 231 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: was a laws and theme and so I think it's 232 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: very very interesting that his economic thinking, you know, is 233 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: something that is being thought about a great deal by 234 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: the Conservative Party now. That has both pluses and minuses. 235 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Lawson's tenure was sandwiched between two absolutely awful 236 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: and catastrophic recessions and the kind of rereading sometimes of 237 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: Lawson's time is that slashing income taxes as he did, 238 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: and all of that deregulation led to the kind of world, 239 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: the Lawson boom and bust. Basically that led to that 240 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: deep recession in the early nineties. And you know, Caroline, 241 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: I was born when Lawson was Chancellor, so I was 242 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: very young, but I was just having a really good 243 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: read through what all the papers were saying about Nigel 244 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: Lawson today and his legacy, and what you said is 245 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: so true. I can see so many parallels to how 246 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: things are being carried out now and how the Tories 247 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: are making movement on what Nigel Lawson's legacy was. If 248 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: you want to say that in a lot of respects 249 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: and I know Rishie Sunac has a lot of respect 250 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: for him. Our Prime Minister was the former chancellor and 251 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: said the first thing he did when he got the 252 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: top job as Chancellor was put a picture of Nigel 253 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: Lawson above as desk. And that was really because that's 254 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: what he wanted to do. He wanted to draw on 255 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: that legacy. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. You up your morning 256 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: brief on the stories making news from London to Hall 257 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: Street and beyond. Look for us on your podcast feed 258 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: every morning, on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else you get 259 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: your podcasts. 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