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Speaker 1: Kirk, what is the fall like for you balance in

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Speaker 2: It is it's almost like I brace for it. When

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Speaker 2: and it's go time. I mean, I love what I do,

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Speaker 2: but it's basically three jobs in one season. You know.

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Speaker 2: Doing the Thursday night game is my first kind of

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Speaker 2: early part of the week. And then I have a

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Speaker 2: three hour college Game Day show where we do all

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Speaker 2: the teams and all the games all over the country,

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Speaker 2: and then I call game later on Saturday. That's usually

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Speaker 2: a high profile game on ABC. And so yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: very as a prep guy, it's very important for me

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Speaker 2: you know. So I have the Thursday Night group, that

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Speaker 2: I have a college game Day, and then the game

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Speaker 2: that I call. But trying to keep everything organized is

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Speaker 1: But what's your weekly prep Like, after you get done

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Speaker 3: Can you take us through the week? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so I do usually do a Saturday

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Speaker 2: I use an example this past Sunday, I have Patriots

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Speaker 2: obviously and watch it more before the game. But Monday

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Speaker 2: All along Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday is all about you know,

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Speaker 2: I've already got my board right here for my Thursday

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Speaker 2: night game. Before I hopped on with you, I just

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Speaker 1: What was your initial reaction when Amazon came calling a

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Speaker 2: You know, my career I started years ago, you know,

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Speaker 1: What's the difference for you being in a booth for

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Speaker 3: That is a perfect transition.

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Speaker 1: Because Aaron Rodgers was talking about in talking about in

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Speaker 1: you got to run the football? Are the Jets in

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Speaker 3: And he has seen all these things.

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Speaker 1: You play the game, how much do you appreciate watching

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Speaker 1: And you've got some intriguing matchups coming up because you

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking time today. Our fans

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Speaker 3: We'll be sure to say hello.

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Speaker 1: Continue success, have fun up there in the booth with

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Speaker 1: L And then Saturday night, I think you are in Norman,

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